1 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, Basmini. 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: How are you. I'm wonderful. How are you? 3 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: I'm great? 4 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 3: So I I guess I've been thinking about my vagina 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 3: this morning more than I ever do. 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: It tends to happen when people have conversations with me 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: to come up to me at parties and they're like, so, 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: can I talk to you about my US infection? 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: I'm like sure, Yeah, I just reminded myself that I 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: actually have one, And then I'm right now thinking about 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: when I did stand up for the first and only 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: time in my life and said that there's no way 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: that Gwyneth Paltrow's candle smelled anything like her vagina, even 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 3: on its best day. 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: I never smelled that candle, but I wanted to. 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: You should have a vagiant I think you should have 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: a vagina candle. 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: By the way, that's particularly on brand for us, really 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: out supporting women's health and making it more about them 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: than it is about me. 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. 22 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: I know. Well good, No, it could be a general 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: wellness vagina candel just like putting good good uh energy 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 3: and sense in the air. 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell the marketing too. I like the idea. 26 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's good, it's good. It makes sense to 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: talk about your vagina, So it makes sense. 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: It does make sense. 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: I get it, Okay. 30 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: So I know of you from the Hills obviously, and 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: then like peripherally just seeing I guess through social media 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: or articles. I didn't even know you worked with Jill 33 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: and Charlie, who I love. And every time Charlie's with me, 34 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: something crazy it happens. Every time Charlie your probalysis is 35 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: with me, something insane happens. 36 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: It's weird he's sending in hearts through the zoom. 37 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's literally something so crazy. Something crazy happens every 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: time we're together. So I look and I'm like, here 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: we go. What's going to happen today? Like something nuts, 40 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: like someone attacks me or something. So anyway, you're in 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: good hands with them. But I know that peripherally I 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: have gotten the messages about your business just through your 43 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 3: social media or like I was aware that you were 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: in this female wellness space. So how did you transition 45 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: from the Hills and like, how did you get into this? 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? So I started Love Wellness in twenty sixteen, and 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: in the eight years that have passed me by, I 48 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: suppose the business has grown pretty significantly. We're available now 49 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: stationwide at Walmart, at Target, at Olta. But when I 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: started the business, it was very much focused on a 51 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: white space category, which was women's wellness back into twenty sixteen, 52 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: and I started the business really out of self need, 53 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: which is like a very common entrepreneur story. But I 54 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: was unwell. I moved to New York in twenty twelve 55 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: and I still live here, and I was going through 56 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: sort of a breakup that was really devastating, but simultaneously 57 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: was dealing with a lot of health issues. I was 58 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: depressed and anxious, but like in a way that felt 59 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: much more significant than I had ever experienced before. It 60 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: was like a crippling type of depression and anxiety where 61 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: I just lay up the ground for a while because 62 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't get out of the house. And then I 63 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: was dealing with all of these intimate health issues right 64 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: like UTIs and east infections. And I have obviously shared 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: that story before, which is you know why we're here 66 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: talking about maaginal health right now. But I kept going 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: to the doctor, and going to the doctor as a 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: woman and getting gasoline is a particularly common experience. I 69 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: will give you the example that the word hysteria comes 70 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: from the Greek word history, which means uterus, So we've 71 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: just been gaslet since the beginning of recorded history. When 72 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: it comes to our medical problems and me going to 73 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: the doctor, you know, with these like recurrent symptoms was 74 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: no different. It took me eighteen months from my first 75 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: appointment to the period where my GP finally said, hey, 76 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: let's do a blood test to test your vitamin levels. 77 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: Eighteen months, right, She's like, oh God, lord's your again. 78 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: And that blood test came back and showed that I 79 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: had really severe vitamin deficiencies, which was a very interesting 80 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: data point for me because it allowed me to at 81 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: least begin my own research on how to get better, 82 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: and I could at least go to different doctors saying, hey, like, 83 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: this is really happening in my body. What I'm saying 84 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: and what I'm experiencing is the balid. Long story short, 85 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: I had a gut health problem because I think most 86 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: humans that exist right now have got health problems right Like, 87 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: we take antibiotics, we eat a bunch of processed food, 88 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: we drink alcohol. We are constantly dealing with microbiome disruptors, 89 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: things that basically affect your gut microbiome and bacteria negatively. 90 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: And it turns out that the gut microbiome is not 91 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: only sort of like your sort of home of your 92 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: immune center and your body, but your gut microbiome also 93 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: regulates and promotes your vaginal microbiome, which is responsible for 94 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: the immunity and health of your vagina. And so I 95 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: was sort of able to connect the dots with the 96 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: help of my doctors back in the day to say, oh, okay, 97 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: I have vitamin deficiencies. That makes sense if you have 98 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 1: a gut health issue, you may have a tougher time 99 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: absorbing the nutrients from your food. Right. So like that 100 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: sort of like explains the path up from like the 101 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: gut to the brain because I was dealing with D 102 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: and B deficiencies, which speaks to sort of those neurological 103 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: concerns that I was, you know, experiencing. And then the 104 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: gut vagina can is also explained, right, And so if 105 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: your vaginal microbiome is in chaos, because your gut microbiome 106 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: is in chaos, you're going to be much more susceptible 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: to recurrent infections, irritation, et cetera. And so I had 108 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: all this information based on guidance from doctors and research 109 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: I did, reading medical journals and like literally going so 110 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: far down the road and kept going to the pharmacy 111 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: and to Dwayne read and looking around and feeling like 112 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: there are no solutions that reflect this new research in 113 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: the women's health space, and so why don't I develop 114 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: the innovation with my medical community and with food scientists 115 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: and nutritionists to provide new solutions in this space. And 116 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: so that's exactly what I did. I got to wow, 117 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: jumped off the cler and the rest is history. 118 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: And that was eight years ago. 119 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: And so I asked this because with so much information 120 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: in every single area from just yes, guts and hormones 121 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 3: and estrogen and menopause and all this stuff, right, so 122 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: I have elevated my medical attention in the set because 123 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: I have a like a concierge doctor, but not one 124 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: of the BS ones or just does prescriptions. 125 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: Like he's very involved. 126 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: And he comes to my house and he takes my 127 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: eco cardiogram, and he takes all my bloods every periodically. 128 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: He and I did the twenty four hour y'urin test 129 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: and all this stuff, and he keeps coming back and 130 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: saying everything looks amazing, and I don't take any vitamins, 131 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: like I don't take vitamins, and I sometimes feel like 132 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be entering this space because people are. 133 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: But I don't take hormones and I don't take vitamins, 134 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: and I'm almost and I eat well and I'm almost 135 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: old fashioned. Oh, in the sense that I don't start 136 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: something like I have severe dehydration. It's a big problem 137 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: in my life. U pots things, So that's my thing. 138 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: Like everyone is a different thing that they do, and 139 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: that's my major thing. I have to every day be 140 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: on the case. I have to have different hydration stuff 141 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: like that. That's my thing, and you had a thing that 142 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: was your thing. And my question is for me personally, 143 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: I don't like I'm not experiencing menopausals symptoms either, even 144 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: though I'm fifty three years old, and I feel like 145 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: I'm gaslighting menopause because people ask me about it. I'm like, 146 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: I don't really know. I kind of react to things happening. 147 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: So I just want to talk about that to you, 148 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: because I don't sort of go and search out new 149 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: things to buy and take for me personally, unless I 150 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: feel like there's some version like if there was something 151 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: smelling weird or something was weird, or I was expecting 152 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: sex experiencing sexual problems. So I want to talk about 153 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 3: that to you overall, like how people know if they're 154 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: supposed to just do something even if it's not affecting 155 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 3: them that they know of and their doctor's saying it's 156 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: not affecting them. 157 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that one of the first things to 158 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: do is really take note of how you're feeling in 159 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: your body, right, Like how do you feel day to day? 160 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: Like how is your energy. I know that this is 161 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: going to be gross, but like are you going to 162 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: the bathroom regularly? Like do you feel like your emotions 163 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: are like on a roller coaster? Right? Because I think 164 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: that there's this idea that we're like generally in good health, 165 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: but there's like small signs that you may be having 166 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: an issue of some kind. But above all, what I 167 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: would say is that finding the right doctor for you 168 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: that really takes a holistic approach to medicine and considers 169 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: total body medicine versus just their specialty which maybe just 170 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: you know, gastroentrology you'r obgyn, and really uses the newest 171 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: clinical research that is available is probably a good place 172 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: to start. 173 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: Yes, digestion has been a lifelong thing and you can 174 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: manage it and then you fall off. I don't love 175 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: to take, don't I don't love to take pills, like 176 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: even if it's neutrafil because I feel like I want 177 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: to make sure my hair stays strong, Like I'll take 178 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: it and then I'll fall off of it. Vitamins make 179 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: me sick, and swallowing things make me like I just 180 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: am not good and diligent about that sort of stuff. 181 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 3: And that's why I see why the gummy space is 182 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 3: blown up. But to me, that's like not great for digestion. 183 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: And also it seems a little bs to me because 184 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: I wanted to get in that space because it makes 185 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: it more accessible. And I asked the question if it's 186 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: better to just take a gummy that say that it's 187 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: doing something even if you feel like does it outweigh? 188 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 3: Does that make any sense like a gummy is gonna have? 189 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: Of course it makes sense in my opinion. And now 190 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: I've been in a supplement space for eight years. As 191 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: I said, I've had extensive conversations with our contract manufacturers, 192 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: our food scientists, and people that actually make these things 193 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: day to day and understand what goes into these things. 194 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: In my opinion, gummies are just candy bullshit, and you 195 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: can't really fit the right amount of ingredients into the 196 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: gummy to have efficacious results. Exactly the ingredients and gummies 197 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: degrade really quickly, and so if you're serious about your health, 198 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: like a capsular tea sure is absolutely in my opinion, again, 199 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: the superior format. 200 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 3: Yes, and tincture is more manageable because you can put it, 201 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 3: you can put it inside a liquid. I think a 202 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 3: tincture to me, or like a tonic type of thing, 203 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: is more a pill. 204 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: I just can't tolerate. 205 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: And I feel the same way that you feel about 206 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: gummies being bullshit, like I really do. Yes, they might 207 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 3: have something, but I know it's bullshit because I was 208 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: in the space I was. I had Skinny Girl supplements 209 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: and I kept wanting to push for them because of 210 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: course it's I agree, it's candy. You're just like, oh, 211 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: it's set. It's like a Starbucks muffin that you're pretending 212 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 3: it's like it says it's low fat and like it's 213 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: multi graine and you're supposed to pretend that it's healthy. 214 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: I think it's bullshit too. 215 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: I think what's also interesting in the supplement space is 216 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: that brands like LAG Wellness and you know, all of 217 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: the other brands in the space, consumers are now holding 218 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: us to a higher standard from a testing perspective and 219 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: transparency perspective. So right now we are putting all of 220 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: our products through clinical testing so that we can say, hey, like, 221 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: this product is clinically proven to do X y Z. 222 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: Right now, a lot of brands are using a clinically 223 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: studied ingredient a product and making much bigger claims about 224 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: the product than like is the reality. We're just problematic, right, Like, 225 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: it's false and it's deceptive, and I suspect long term, 226 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: when gummy companies are pushed to do clinicals, that their 227 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: products will most likely fail becau it's a result of 228 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: you know, the true like inefficacy of that format, if 229 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: that makes sense. And so I think that there will 230 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: be a gummy reckoning in the next year or so 231 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: where consumers start to learn more about the format and 232 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: learn about the I think so to problems with the format, 233 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: and like, if you really are looking for health benefits 234 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: and to support your health, like a different format is 235 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: the way to go. And I will also say, you know, 236 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: before I started my business, before I knew that I 237 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: had like vitamin deficiencies as a true cause of health issues, 238 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: I also was like, oh, like, I don't really think 239 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: that supplements are the real deal. I don't think that 240 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: like they're important, and now that I see how much 241 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: they can release support overall health, especially in women's bodies 242 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: with the things that we're dealing with, you know, I 243 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: really do believe in what we make and what we sell. 244 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: Well, if what would you start with if you were me? 245 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 3: Based on what I said, like behind you, there's so 246 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 3: much stuff that's overwhelming. 247 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: I get things. They're my cabinet. 248 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: I like the idea of magnesium and calm and those 249 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 3: powders like that that I understand. 250 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: I've tried Magnus seven. That's good for digestion. 251 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 3: I like the idea of neutrophil because I get it, 252 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: Like those are things that are direct. Some of these 253 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: nuanced things are too intimidating and overwhelming for me. 254 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: Right, So this is not medical advice, right, only your 255 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: doctor can give medical as your friend. 256 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: This is a girlfriend advice. 257 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: As a friend. I would say that a lot of people, 258 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: a lot of Americans are struggling with a vitamin defficiency 259 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: of some sort. The CDC notes that ninety percent of 260 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: Americans have a vitamin deficiency. And I'm also the belief 261 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: that most of us probably have some some kind of 262 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: gut health issues. What's tough is that it's tough to 263 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: test that. Like, yeah, you could like literally like do 264 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: a microbiome test of your stool, but we don't have 265 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: a great picture of what a healthy microbiome looks like. 266 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: It could be different in every person, Like we don't 267 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: really know yet from a scientific perspective. So what I 268 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: would actually recommend before you go down the summits road 269 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: is to talk to your doctor about your gut health 270 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: and your gut health symptoms, and first start with an 271 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: elimination diet, because an elimination diet is a really good 272 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: place to start to understand what some of your potential 273 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: trigger foods could be that may be leading to gut dysbiosis, 274 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: that may be leading to inflammation. Right, And so I 275 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: think that there's a lot that you can do before 276 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: you go down the supplement's road to better understand your 277 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: own body and the things that you may be struggling with. First, 278 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: but I do think a good multivitamin and a good 279 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: probiotic is a great good start for anybody, just because 280 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: of all of the environmental factors, lifestyle factors, et cetera 281 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: that we all know that we're dealing with every single day. 282 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: It's funny the entry points because you could come at 283 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: things in a different way. And for me by digestion 284 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: has always been an issue and the thing that helps 285 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: digestion for me is sleeping and being. 286 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: Dehydration, I think is. 287 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 3: Such a big issue that people don't talk about enough, 288 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: Like it's not something that commonly. 289 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: I hear people talking. 290 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 3: About, yes, I feel dehydrated or today, but like as 291 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 3: a debilitating issue. And I'll hear so many different people 292 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: say that they have like a terrible headache, and I'll 293 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 3: be like, you're dehydra like they don't realize. Or I 294 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: you know something I drank last night and it hit 295 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: me weird. I'm like, how dehydrated were you? Or like 296 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: you were traveling. I think dehydration is such a thing 297 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: that you know, I always make jokes and I'm a 298 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: thirsty bitch, but I feel it affects digestion too. 299 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, hydration definitely can have they believe the negative and 300 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: popt on gut. 301 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: Help and absorption affects hydration too, correct. 302 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, absorption from you know, absorption and hydration are all connected. 303 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: And that's actually we're working on something. I loved wellness 304 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: that sort of speaks to that that's coming to you 305 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: what we're really excited about. But hydration also can a 306 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: flex effect, like your blood pressure and like all these 307 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: different things throughout your body that I don't think that 308 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: people have like broad awareness on totally. 309 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: It's my problem, that's my issue. 310 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: So yes, but I can drink your drink, your water, 311 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: toss and electrolyte in totally help those little cells hold 312 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: on to that salt. You know. 313 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a person that affects my blood pressure. I 314 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: fains like I have severe dehydration issues. So you were 315 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: on the hills and when you came up with this, 316 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 3: you had this debilitating depression and you started in this business. 317 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: Did you have money? How were you supporting yourself? Who 318 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: who backed this? 319 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: Do you have partners? 320 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: So I started the business on my own with the 321 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 1: small amount of savings I had left from my last 322 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: season on the hills, Okay, and I operated the business 323 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: for the first two years as a solo founder and operator. 324 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: I was the one who's just like completely running the business. 325 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: And in the second or third year, I started to realize, 326 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: I think this could be a real business. I think 327 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: we are genuinely affecting women's lives in a really positive way. 328 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the money like was like literally 329 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: my last savings. So I was transitioning from a point 330 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: where the hills ended. In twenty ten, I moved to 331 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: Califora started moved to New York in twenty twelve. I 332 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: had gone to culinary school when I first moved to 333 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: New York because I loved to cook, and at culinary 334 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: school I started to become really passionate about nutrition and 335 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: understanding kind of healthy food swaps and things like that. 336 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: Same so where did you go to the. 337 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: French Culinary Institute and soho. 338 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: Oh amazing, Okay, okay, I went to Natural Gourmet that's 339 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: a rat. 340 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: And I started creating all this cooking content and all 341 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: this stuff. And I really love science. I'm like so 342 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: passionate about the subject matter, whatever it is. And when 343 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: I started to be able to tie my own experience 344 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: to the nutrition information I was learning about, I started 345 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: to get really excited and passionate about it, and I 346 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: think entrepreneurship was probably always going to be the path 347 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: for me. I didn't know where I would land, per se, 348 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: but I felt like my idea and my concept was 349 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: a really good one because when I started using boric 350 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: acid and probiotics and intimate cleansers without fragrance, and my 351 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: health fundamentally changed for the better. And I thought, this 352 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: experience can be replicated and it can be made beautiful. 353 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: We can educate people about their bodies to reduce shame 354 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: and stigma, and yeah, so I just I kind of 355 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: went for it. And at the time on my social channels, 356 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: I had started to talk about my depression and my 357 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: health and it was very challenging for me. I think 358 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: coming off reality TV, and everyone knows now that if 359 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: you were on reality TV, it's a very traumatic experience. 360 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: You talk about this a lot. There's a lot that 361 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: the audience doesn't see or know about the experience that 362 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: a lot of us just kind of sit on and 363 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: you kind of deal with it and move forward anyway. 364 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: But I decided that like part of my healing from 365 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: being on those shows was to talk about what I 366 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: was actually experiencing. With so my social media community really 367 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: became a very supportive community for the health issues that 368 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: I was struggling with, and so launching the business to 369 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: a certain degree was a very natural segue for me 370 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: at the time, because I was so entrenched in these 371 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: health struggles and I was like sharing my health struggles 372 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: with my natural line. 373 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: It's funny because I've been talking for the first time. 374 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 3: I went through a decade long, horrific divorce, and once 375 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 3: it was quote unquote over, I think I just shut 376 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 3: the door because I had also been on reality TV, 377 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: and I just didn't realize what was like inside of 378 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 3: me until really recently. And I've been calling it on 379 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 3: lock trauma because all these women are coming forward and 380 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: like sharing, and it's just like this thing I did 381 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: not expect, but these like unlocked traumas from yeah, and 382 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 3: you're right, like the reality TV played into it too, 383 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: and it becomes your identity and you're like living in 384 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 3: this judgment and this toxic environment that you've pretended is 385 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 3: normal in any way whatsoever. 386 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: But it's over. 387 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 3: And then also you're probably type cast even sometimes now 388 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 3: like myself sometimes where you're that girl from the hills 389 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: despite the one hundred million dollar business you've built. 390 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I was talking to brand the other day 391 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: and they were like, oh, should your byline be reality TV? Person? 392 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: I was like, actually, I'm the founder and chair of 393 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: this business that you know has like fundamentally changed women's 394 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: health in this country. But sure real TV. 395 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: Is fine? Yeah, exactly. 396 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: And because you're not here, you're dancing with the one 397 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: who brung you also, But it's ridiculous and I really 398 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: get that too. So I guess part of your identity 399 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 3: right now in what I was reading about, you were 400 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 3: part of the discussion in the conversation emotional health and 401 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 3: being single at thirty seven and is there a stigma? 402 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: And you're supposed to be doing something and you're supposed 403 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: to be meeting someone, and you're supposed to be having kids. 404 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: And it's weird because I'm feeling these parallel paths to 405 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: you with you a that I went to culinary school 406 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: for food and healing, literally, but be that I'm right 407 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: now talking about this path that I felt that I 408 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: needed to be on at thirty seven, which was fear 409 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 3: based about having kids and locking it down and meeting 410 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: someone and like that, no one's marketing to young women, 411 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: and I consider you young. There are younger women, but 412 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 3: I'm considering all ages from let's pretend like twenty two 413 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 3: to in their forties. No one's talking about like what 414 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 3: it really means to get married and that it really does, 415 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: like the statistics about divorce and the fact that people 416 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: are settling, the fact that people aren't being logical and 417 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 3: reading red flags, and the fact that women who I 418 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: know are making hundreds of thousands of dollars feel uncomfortable 419 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: having someone sign a prenup, Like it's like so illogical 420 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 3: and so archaic, the way that women are feeling about 421 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 3: having to be in a relationship. And I think that 422 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 3: there's like a we're on the precipice. And I think 423 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 3: I'm contributing to this of it being like, no, actually 424 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: you have to be a full person and you're really great, 425 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 3: not just because you're saying you're really great, but you like, 426 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: actually are really great being alone. You don't need quote 427 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: unquote a man or a woman. So I want to 428 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: know you where you are in that vortex. 429 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was single for the past four or 430 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: five years. I've been dating somebody for the past five 431 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: months who is absolutely incredible and It took me a 432 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: very long time to get to a place where I 433 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: was actually comfortable on my own because I did buy 434 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: into all of that bs about your behind. You know, 435 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: how could you be single? You know all of these things, 436 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: and it really was tough for me. I think because 437 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: of the expectation that I should be married, i should 438 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: have a family, when in reality, I'm going to work 439 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: every day and like kicking my own ass to like 440 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: grow this business, whereas if a man was in my position, 441 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: he would be applauded. 442 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: Right. 443 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: You should see the number of dms like why are 444 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: you married yet? Like visit you know what I mean, 445 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: Like drove me crazy over the past couple of years. 446 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: But that also has a little of misery. Loves companies. 447 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 3: Some people are not like that, thrilled in their own 448 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: lives and they want someone else to be like on 449 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 3: their road. 450 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: They don't know how to be open minded. 451 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 3: It would be incomprehensible that a woman would just choose 452 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 3: to be alone or not have met the right person 453 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 3: and not be making decisions out of fear. 454 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: Of course. But I think all of this to say 455 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: is that when I was really struggling emotionally with being single, 456 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: I was not the best version of myself. It probably 457 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: could be in a really successful relationship with the type 458 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: of partner that I deserve, right, And it's why I 459 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: dated guys for so many years and chased assholes that 460 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: had like red flags like coming out of their butts, 461 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It wasn't until last year 462 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: when I finally like came to a place of peace 463 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: with my own situation that the perfect man appears, you 464 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And now, because I feel like 465 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: I'd peeled through that trauma, I am ready and able 466 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: to be in a relationship you know that I am 467 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: deserving of at this point in my life. Right. 468 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 3: Yes, it's interesting because I was talking to a woman 469 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: who specializes in like the dating space and I read 470 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: an article and I don't think that women, young women 471 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 3: are checking in with themselves and saying what you just said, 472 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: which is this article that she wrote was saying, if 473 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 3: you want to start dating and you want to start 474 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 3: meeting people, make sure that you're the full person that 475 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: you would want to date. And you know what that is, 476 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 3: Like I remember being the person that was up late 477 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: night like binging, drinking, like miserable, depressed, like the way 478 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 3: make up the next day, try to be better or 479 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 3: feeling depressed or miserable or lonely or mercurial, like it's 480 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: hard in the moment to check in, but I don't. 481 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: I definitely know. I never asked myself that question. 482 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I started to have to ask myself that question, 483 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: you know, when like the relationships I continued to be 484 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: and were really failed relationships. And what was my role 485 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: in the failed relationship? 486 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 2: Right? 487 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: Some of the time I didn't show up. Sometimes I 488 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: go to people, right, So it was a reflection of 489 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: my own immaturity, right. And I think for me though, 490 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: the Internet to a certain degree played a role in 491 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: it for me, because I think that everyone on the 492 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: Internet presents this happy version of themselves, right like through 493 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: their marriages, through their children, their engagements and all this stuff. 494 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: And I for years felt so less then because I 495 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: wasn't able to share things of that nature, do you 496 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And so I think that while 497 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: like we have just even us like having this converse 498 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: about this topic, I think like helps to like move 499 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: the needle to a certain degree, but I think social 500 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: media like creates an imbalance there that even goes beyond 501 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: just regular societal norms, and I think I really struggled 502 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: with that personal well. 503 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: I was talking last night to somebody about The Bachelor 504 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: and the responsibility of the bat You have two people, 505 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: Let's say someone's mom is a nurse or the dead, 506 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 3: you know, is a middle class working person. They're not 507 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: casting billionaires on the show. So you have two people 508 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: that meet and then you take them to the most exotic, 509 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 3: gorgeous place, is the most incredible experience. No one's talking 510 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 3: about money, no one's talking about religion, no one's talking 511 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 3: about politics that doesn't exist in Disneyland, and they're all going, 512 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 3: who's not going to fall in love with somebody eating 513 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 3: caviar on the mountaintop jumping out of an airplane. And 514 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 3: so then they come back to their real lives and 515 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 3: it's like this irresponsible situation where you even have the 516 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor, which was like all these women, you know 517 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: my age, were so excited because it's such bullshit, Like 518 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 3: it's not really like, let's talk about what really goes 519 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: on when people have to deal with financial issues, or 520 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 3: would you do therapy? Like it's kind of irresponsible for 521 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 3: people to get this either fairy tale with like just 522 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 3: the dress and the Ring or these shows that are 523 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 3: doing this or social media. Everyone's showing the perfection of 524 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: their relationship. One day they break up and they want 525 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 3: you to then respect their privacy when. 526 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: They only showed you. 527 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 3: They always showed you the fantasy, the fairy tale, the 528 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 3: j lo a Rod were invested in their co mingling 529 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: of the family, and one day it just crashes and 530 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: burns and we're left to respect the privacy. And it's like, 531 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: that's you know what we're we're fed. We're not fed 532 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: that there's a sixty percent chance of divorce, So we 533 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: might as well start educating ourselves on relationships and what 534 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 3: really it takes or who you are and why you're 535 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 3: making these choices. 536 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, if you are not able, 537 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: or if you're not in a relationship where you can 538 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: have a very straightforward conversation where emotion doesn't play like 539 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: a leading role in it about where you want to 540 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: live or your finances or children or all of that stuff, like, 541 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: you may not be ready for that relationship, right. I 542 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: think that when you feel good about yourself and your 543 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: solid and who you are, you're much more inclined to 544 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: be able to speak to those things about a partner 545 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: that you love, and it is like hoping has the 546 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: same POV or has a different POV and you can 547 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: come to a new conclusion together. Right. I keep seeing 548 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: I keep seeing these things on the internet from sort 549 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: of like I don't know, they're psychotherapists, sort of driven 550 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: off eds, but they're actually really great. And they make 551 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: this suggestion about implementing a monthly relationship check in or 552 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: you know what, you choose the timeline right, and you know, 553 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: it's like a list of questions you can talk to 554 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: your partner about or ask you a partner about in 555 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: terms of like check ins right like this month, you know, 556 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: like did you feel like I showed up for you 557 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: in the right way? Or you know what could I 558 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: have done differently? Or this is what I'm bored on. 559 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: And I think that those types of suggestions are so good, 560 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: But again, it takes so much work, emotional work to 561 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: be able to get to a place where you can 562 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: be like, hey, honey. 563 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 3: Like it's not sexy, it's not that sexy. It's tedious, 564 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: but yes. 565 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: It's not it's not sexy. But I do think fundamentally 566 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: it's a really good exercise because just to your point, 567 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: you can go on vacation and everything seems amazing, but 568 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: there might be one or two things that you know 569 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: were in the back of your mind that like you 570 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: wish you could talk about. But so maybe the list 571 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: is like a good format for that right to like 572 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: encourage the conversation. I don't know. 573 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's no. I think it's interesting. 574 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: I call it what you're talking about getting in a 575 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 3: car and the beginning, everything seems great. So you might 576 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 3: get in a car and it has a sign that 577 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: it's going to a different place than you want to go, 578 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 3: but you're like, it's fine, that seems fun, let's do that, 579 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: and then you're in the wrong car, not like looking 580 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: over at the passenger being like, wait a second, now 581 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: we're getting off here. Now we're doing this like I 582 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: you know, and it's your it's kind of your own 583 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 3: fault because you got in the wrong car and you 584 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: didn't check in like for the journey of where you're going. 585 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: I think so anyway, I think that's just interesting. What 586 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 3: is your relationship to the Hills and the other girls 587 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 3: and their trajectory? 588 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: Like, are you guys friends? Are you college? 589 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: You know? 590 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: What's your relationship is girls? 591 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: It's interesting. Lorne and I are friends, and there are 592 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: rumblings that there may be a twentieth anniversary special of 593 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: Laguna Beach. That's like coming down the pipeline maybe, Okay. 594 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: I sort of talked to a couple of people about 595 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: it because we graduated from high school in two thousand 596 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: and four, and so it's twenty twenty four. It is 597 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: our true twenty year high school reunion this year, and 598 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: so in the context of Laguna, I think that it 599 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: would be great to get back together with the old gang. 600 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: I think that everybody is doing really well. Everybody is 601 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: really friendly, and Laguna was like a kind nice version 602 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: of reality TV. Right, you get to the Hills and 603 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: it's like much bigger the drama and trauma perspective, right, 604 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: And so the people on the hills, I think the 605 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: relationships are more challenged because of the experiences that we 606 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: went through a man not of our own, not by 607 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: our own fault, right, We right, like very young women 608 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: like constantly put into compromised situations where we had to 609 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: basically like blood sported out against each other to get 610 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: through a day of production. 611 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: Zero game, it's kill or be killed, and if you 612 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 3: kill someone, you're doing your job, so you're rewarded for 613 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 3: bad behavior. It's the upside down. If someone gets drunk 614 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 3: or does say something terrible, that's rewarded with ratings. If 615 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: someone is boring and nice, that's penalized. So you're in 616 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 3: the upside down and you're at your job. If you're 617 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 3: a soldier and you're the unsullied and Game of Thrones, 618 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 3: you're supposed to go kill people. And I was an 619 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 3: excellent reality star, like, you know, one of the best 620 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 3: there's been because I and so, yeah, some people think 621 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: I just want to go kill people. And I've met 622 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 3: people in this environment since leaving it and think they're lovely, 623 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 3: and I like literally was brainwashed into thinking they weren't 624 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 3: lovely on my show and you know, other franchises, because 625 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 3: you're supposed to be in a competition with these people. 626 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 3: That's just what is bread. 627 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, I was not as good 628 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: on reality TV because I was always too afraid to 629 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: like really jump in and I'm just not really that 630 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: way by my teacher, and so I like served a 631 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: very specific role, which I'm actually grateful for in hindsight, 632 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: I didn't really have to get into it too much. 633 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: But in the areas where I did. It still kind 634 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: of haunts me to this day because there's so many 635 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: stories behind the story that everybody saw on television that 636 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: run very counter to like what the public think about you, right, 637 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: And so I think that that is tough for me 638 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: to have to sort of like deal with, right, And 639 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: I don't think about it that much. But again, preparing 640 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: for this podcast, like, I woke up with anxiety this 641 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: morning because I was like, oh my gosh, I'm talking 642 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: to Bethany today, like one of the greatest reality stars 643 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: of all time, and like, is she gonna ask me 644 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: scary questions I don't want to answer, you know. 645 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 3: No, But the thing is you I'm not saying you're 646 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 3: like herve necessarily that she's really sweet and I like 647 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 3: her a lot, and she's she wants nothing to do 648 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 3: with any of this. Tinsley is an example. You would 649 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: have been Tinsley on my show. She was a nice 650 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 3: girl who came in and just like was good, you know, 651 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 3: like a secondary or a second tier character, and was 652 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 3: lovely and amazing, and like I would have conflict with 653 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: her because that was my job. And don't forget, I 654 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 3: grew up at the racetrack, like raised by animals, and 655 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 3: I could, like I could come in and and make 656 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 3: a TV and do it and land the plane and 657 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: didn't even think about it was just what you did. 658 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: You moved product. Like you move product, you're moving story. 659 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 3: So Tinsley's someone that off the show, like I really 660 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 3: think is a lovely person. I'm really happy for her, 661 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 3: and I always think of her as that example of 662 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: someone like if you and I were on the show together, 663 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 3: you'd probably hate me now, you'd think she's frightening, Like 664 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 3: holy shit, you know, because I was at war and 665 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 3: now meeting all these people that all have different types 666 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 3: of personalities. Not everybody's the alpha, not everybody. You know, 667 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 3: people fill in the whole puzzle of life. But you 668 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: don't cast that with reality TV. You want people to 669 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: come in and have conflicts. So I understand exactly what 670 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 3: you're talking about. And I bring up Tinsley because I 671 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 3: really liked her. I support her, and it was a 672 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 3: different experience off the show than what happened on the show, 673 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 3: which I regret. And it wasn't even a big thing 674 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 3: that happened with her and I were fine. I'm just 675 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 3: saying it's just things that I think about and remember 676 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 3: because it's traumatic for everybody completely. 677 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think for us, we were some of 678 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: the earliest people on reality TV in the context that 679 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: people think about when it comes to reality TV people, 680 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: and so like we were like the first little you 681 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: know people in that Petrie dish, and we had to 682 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: learn very much in real time that what we're experiencing 683 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: actually is not what is being you know, edited on 684 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: the cutting room floor and then shared with the world. 685 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 3: But you also don't even know you're on a show. 686 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 3: You don't realize what's going on. You did not know 687 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 3: there's a whiteboard. You think your people are right. 688 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 2: I had no. 689 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: Idea in those early years that the executive producers are 690 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: in a room with whiteboards and that now the entire 691 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: season and post it notes being like we're going to 692 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: have this person do this, and we're going to have 693 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: this person do this. I don't know if on Real 694 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 1: Housewives they did this, but on the Hills, we would 695 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: shoot a scene and after we would shoot it once, 696 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: they'd be like, okay, guys, time to repoe the cameras 697 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 1: and they would move the cameras to a different position 698 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: and they would shoot the scene again. And they would 699 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: do it up to five or six times for each scene. 700 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: And so that's part of why I think on the 701 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: Hills in real life there wasn't a lot of conflict, 702 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: and then the show would come out and it would 703 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: be produced to show incredible conflict between people. But when 704 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: you shoot a scene and then next year it would 705 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: inform Yeah, right, people see themselves getting shit on or 706 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: as the villain when the show comes out, not reflective 707 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: of the current reality, but it informs your thinking. It 708 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: informs your behavior on a go forward basis, Oh, she 709 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: doesn't like me, I'm going to actually not like her 710 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: in real life. And that for me is like, how 711 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: do I make this better? There's no way to make 712 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: it better. I exactly start to like talk about it. 713 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 3: Right. 714 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of recourse for us except for 715 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: sharing our stories and telling people what really went on. 716 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 3: It's so true and for me, like looking at all 717 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 3: those the women and it all, I see everyone different. 718 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 3: I see people that I really disliked, even a US 719 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 3: all franchises, because I see that they're doing their job, 720 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 3: that they're being paid for, and I realize that that's 721 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 3: not exactly who they are. And it's very tempting when 722 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 3: it gets to a certain financial level, and I sadly 723 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: get it. 724 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 2: I don't have to do that. 725 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 3: And I think that the genre has changed and gotten 726 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 3: infinitely more disgusting and more toxic because. 727 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: You have to raise the game. 728 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 3: So you when you were on Laguna, who were who 729 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 3: were the people? 730 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 2: Stephen? It was? It was Kristin, you. 731 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: And Stephen, Kristin, Lauren, myself, Christina Schuler, Morgan Smith, a 732 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: couple of others. Theater. 733 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 3: You know, it was like our real little crew from Laguna, 734 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 3: and like Brody wasn't until later you were on the Hills. 735 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay. 736 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: It was small, you know, it's like less maybe it 737 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: was one hundred and fifty kids per class, and we 738 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: were a really tight knit community. Everybody had grown up 739 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: with each other, you know, since we were young. So 740 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: it's a very like tight knit little crew of people 741 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: on that show. And the first season or two of Laguna, 742 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: the original executive producers and team that created the show 743 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: were so kind and so nice, and then the production 744 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: team flipped to to her aggressive style leadership. And that's 745 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: when you know you're getting paid a decent amount of 746 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: money and your boss, the executive producer is like, you're 747 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: going to do this, yes. Now. 748 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 3: Heidi and Spencer were on my talk show and they 749 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 3: said that they would get like rewarded with that. She 750 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 3: got like a burkin or something for when he threw 751 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 3: out of the car and he's like, I would never 752 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 3: throw out of the car. 753 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 2: And they're still together to this day. 754 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 3: Them being you know, in a relationship to this day 755 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 3: says something. It says like it couldn't have all been real, 756 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 3: which we know. And Lauren was the first entrepreneur that 757 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 3: I remember. I remember calling this agent and wanting to 758 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 3: be represented and she's, you know, younger than I am, 759 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 3: and they said, he's all focused on Lauren like she 760 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 3: was crushing the game, and then she really kind of 761 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 3: stepped back and just checked out. As it seems like 762 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 3: Whitney didn't a way too. Do you think that's because 763 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 3: it was just like also public and commercial or just 764 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 3: like the nature of life and getting you know, in relationships, 765 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 3: because I remember, you don't really see much about Lauren 766 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,919 Speaker 3: at all anymore, and she was like the first big 767 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 3: commercial one to me. 768 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they were famous to a degree 769 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: that whenever anything happened that was negative, the glowback felt 770 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: so significant and so life changing that you really live 771 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: with that trauma and it affects you want to go 772 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: forward basis in terms of how much you're inclined to 773 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: share with people. Right, totally, Hey, I did this. The 774 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: experience that I had of this is very negative. Why 775 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: would I continue to do this? 776 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 3: And also, you were being paid to share. You were 777 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 3: being paid and to share your life. It was literally 778 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 3: a transaction now like, for example me, I'm not paid 779 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 3: to share my life. I'll share what I want when 780 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 3: I want, and no one I don't have to, like 781 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, even with Jill, my publicist, 782 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 3: like she'll make tough shit you to say anything, say 783 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: whatever you want, Like you're not in a car, but 784 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 3: you could say to me, oh what about this? I'm like, yeah, 785 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 3: you write me a check if you want. 786 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 2: Me to tell you that. I'm to tell you anything 787 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you. 788 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 789 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 2: I think we're not being paid to share your whole 790 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 2: life anymore. 791 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: Right. I think many of us had tough experiences, you know, 792 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: on the Internet and you know, social media and all 793 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: of that stuff, which is everybody understands that now. And 794 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: so I think that people do get why there's a hesitation. 795 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's like we had these terrible experiences that 796 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: were very unique at the time, and now they're better understood. 797 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean enough people online say horrible things 798 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: about you for long enough that you are not inclined 799 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: to continue to share parts about your life, especially again 800 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: when you stop being paid to do so. 801 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 3: Totally you're the best. Wow, Well, did I scare you 802 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 3: at all? You said you had anxiety. I'm so sorry. 803 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 2: Did I Did I scare you at all? No? 804 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: I will say I saw you last summer at Sagpizza 805 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: and you're with your family, and I was like, should 806 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: I say hi? And I was like no, I'm just 807 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: gonna like letter do you do you go to the Hampton? Yeah, 808 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: of course you do. Were mostly Sag Harbor. I think 809 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: this summer Bridge Hampton, but yeah, I go on every summer. 810 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 3: Oh well, let's get together in the Hamptons. I'm gonna 811 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be there. I just renovated a new house 812 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 3: on the beach and I'm like getting ready, it's happening now. 813 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 2: I'm excited. 814 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: Wow, I love that. And the weather just turned so nice. 815 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 3: I yay, amazing. Oh well, I will be thinking about 816 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 3: my vagina all day now and other parts of my body. 817 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 3: And I'm so proud of you. Congratulations on all your 818 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 3: success and on your amazing publicist team. And I can't 819 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 3: wait to try some of the things. It's so much 820 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 3: behind you. I got to look it up online and like, 821 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,240 Speaker 3: see what I want. 822 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: We will send you everything from Lovelannas, or if you 823 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: want to go shopping, you can go to Old cub 824 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: Walmart or Target and fine. 825 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing, great, great space making meaning out of a 826 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 3: crazy start. 827 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 2: So thank you so much, awesome. I have a great day.