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Speaker 1: of all things politics and culture. It's a lot happening
Speaker 1: in the culture. It's a lot happening in politics. We
Speaker 1: are your hosts, Angela Rae, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillip.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about today, y'all.
Speaker 3: It's so much going on, with everything going on. I
Speaker 3: do want to get into this Cardi B trial because
Speaker 3: I think she taught a masterclass and how to handle
Speaker 3: herself on the witness stand. So it's a lot of
Speaker 3: seriousness going on. But I think this is a worthy topic.
Speaker 4: A thousand percent agree over here. Love love, love Cardi B.
Speaker 4: For real, for real, for real, tiff Angela, I want
Speaker 4: to get into this conversation that we began last week
Speaker 4: actually and we've been talking about for a minute, and
Speaker 4: this is this assault by the Trump administration on American cities.
Speaker 4: Just want to preview what's coming up and how two
Speaker 4: very important mayors have two very important places have a
Speaker 4: disagreement about the.
Speaker 1: Approach absolutely, and I also want to talk about party
Speaker 1: and the mayors. And I'm actually surprised, y'all, but i
Speaker 1: really want to spend some time diving into what's going
Speaker 1: on with the Epstein files. I've been made privious some
Speaker 1: things that I think we should share with our audience
Speaker 1: about why this is actually very important. So I hope
Speaker 1: to lean into that. And if y'all have ideas about
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Speaker 5: Hello, Native Land Podcast. My name is Nicole Buchanan. I
Speaker 5: am a professor and a psychologist, and I focus on
Speaker 5: trauma and the ways that individuals and organizations can make
Speaker 5: changes so that all of us can thrive. I just
Speaker 5: watched your podcast about the Epstein Files, and I think
Speaker 5: there's an issue that nobody's really talking about that just
Speaker 5: might explain why out of all of Trump's scandals, this
Speaker 5: finally seems to be the thing that is breaking MAGA,
Speaker 5: and that is for many, child sexual abuse is deeply personal.
Speaker 5: Imagine a classroom of say twenty kids, we can expect
Speaker 5: that at least two of the girls and one of
Speaker 5: the boys will be sexually assaulted, molested, or raped by
Speaker 5: their eighteenth birthday, and usually by somebody that they know
Speaker 5: and trust. Over half of all adult women about a
Speaker 5: third of adult men will experience sexual violence in their lifetimes.
Speaker 5: So while most of us can't wrap our head around
Speaker 5: most of Trump's scandals, like accepting a luxury jet, the
Speaker 5: abuse of children is deeply personal. People know that feeling
Speaker 5: of wishing someone had saved them or had saved their
Speaker 5: loved ones, which means Trump's violation this time is deeply,
Speaker 5: deeply personal. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that,
Speaker 5: and thank you for taking a moment to hear mine.
Speaker 4: It's very powerful.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for that question, doctor Buchanan. I think
Speaker 1: that she might have tapped into something. Love to hear
Speaker 1: you Law's responses and then we can jump right into this.
Speaker 3: I disagree with her, and just in transparency, when we
Speaker 3: before we do this show, the three of us as
Speaker 3: co hosts get on a call and talk about what
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about. And so when Angela said this,
Speaker 3: I was like, h I don't think so. I think
Speaker 3: this is, you know, an issue that we're being My
Speaker 3: thought is we're being led by the nose by the
Speaker 3: people who believe in the Pizzagate scandal. That's not to
Speaker 3: dismiss what's happening with Epstein, but I'm curious what evidence
Speaker 3: is there that there is a fracture in Trump's support
Speaker 3: because of this issue. Yes, people are complaining about it,
Speaker 3: Yes people are on the internet. But we've already known
Speaker 3: Trump is a liar and that has not scared his
Speaker 3: base away. We've already known he's inappropriate with women that
Speaker 3: did not scare his base away. We know that he's
Speaker 3: been inappropriate with children that did not scare his base away.
Speaker 3: We knew this in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen when
Speaker 3: he would oversee the Miss Teen USA pageant. There was
Speaker 3: countless evidence then of him going into the dressing room,
Speaker 3: making inappropriate comments to the young girls, then touching them then.
Speaker 3: And I just think this is all, you know, a
Speaker 3: little bit of bullshit. You know, obviously the victims that
Speaker 3: I know, Angela, you were moved by some really compelling
Speaker 3: testimony that I definitely want to hear. But I think
Speaker 3: if his base were truly concerned about sexual assault, there
Speaker 3: have been countless times where they could have spoken up.
Speaker 3: For example, one of the largest shelters of migrant children
Speaker 3: in Texas, South Key Programs, was accused and found liable
Speaker 3: for enabling the sexual abuse of children and minors. This
Speaker 3: was a huge deal. They had worked with the federal
Speaker 3: government for more than two decades. They were housing underage
Speaker 3: migrants for the federal government, which was a financial boon
Speaker 3: for contractors. There was money into basically grabbing these children
Speaker 3: and keeping them in these shelters. It was one of
Speaker 3: several providers that cashed in. Is the administration found shelter
Speaker 3: for more than five thousand children forced into federal custody.
Speaker 3: Where I asked, were all was all this outrage from
Speaker 3: Trump supporters? Then it did not happen. Then I do
Speaker 3: not anticipate that it will happen now, unless, of course
Speaker 3: we're saying it only matters when white children are sexually abused. Furthermore,
Speaker 3: right now, these same people who are protesting Epstein, these
Speaker 3: same people have said nothing about out the more than
Speaker 3: thirty thousand children that are missing and lost in the
Speaker 3: system that are migrant children who and that makes them
Speaker 3: more susceptible to being trafficked right now the Trump administration.
Speaker 3: Just last month, a federal judge had to strike down
Speaker 3: because he was trying to send six hundred unaccompanied minors,
Speaker 3: some as young as ten years old, back to their
Speaker 3: home country of Guatemala, where there was no guarantee where
Speaker 3: they would be cared for. This was on the heels
Speaker 3: of him sending more children into the pipeline of being deported.
Speaker 3: And you know, this has been happening across both administrations
Speaker 3: from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty three. The Homeland Security
Speaker 3: Inspector General found we don't even know the exact amount,
Speaker 3: but found that there were tens of thousands of missing children.
Speaker 3: So obviously we don't disagree on the seriousness of sexual abuse.
Speaker 3: My only point is, if we cared about sexual abuse,
Speaker 3: this is something that we could have been talking about
Speaker 3: for years. If we cared about this administration being a
Speaker 3: liar and not caring about children for years, this is
Speaker 3: something So I've just not seen the evidence that his
Speaker 3: base is going to abandon him over Epstein. But I'm
Speaker 3: happy to be proven wrong. I hope I'm wrong on
Speaker 3: this subject. We'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, Andrew. Yeah, I want to get into
Speaker 1: to hear from some of these voices.
Speaker 4: But go for it real quick one, doctor McKennon. I
Speaker 4: appreciate what you open our eyes to with the research,
Speaker 4: and frankly, the very brilliant way in which you delivered it.
Speaker 4: You can very much hotel you work with students. But Tiff,
Speaker 4: I don't know that I disagree with you about whether
Speaker 4: this is a permanent fracture in the Trump base and
Speaker 4: whether it will be consequential enough for them to stay
Speaker 4: home during the midterms or in any way defect in
Speaker 4: serious numbers from him. I think on that point I
Speaker 4: probably agree with you. But thinking back to the episode,
Speaker 4: I remember just saying I don't know how this thing
Speaker 4: is got such legs. I'm shocked that it's got the
Speaker 4: kind of traction that it has. And I think doctor
Speaker 4: Buchannan was probably in part responding to the fact that
Speaker 4: given just the rank numbers of this of how many men,
Speaker 4: you know, boys girls who are now women and and
Speaker 4: men have had sexual assault, you know, in their lives
Speaker 4: in a very real personal way, and we could probably
Speaker 4: between the three of us, imagine that a number of
Speaker 4: those and I don't know what the percentage is probably
Speaker 4: went unreported. Yeah, And so to now be at this
Speaker 4: moment where it's being thrust in your face in such
Speaker 4: an overt, no obvious way, you're aware of what what
Speaker 4: what Epstein did and who is riding partners, were you
Speaker 4: feel in some ways probably pretty you know, jaded, dejected,
Speaker 4: but more than anything, in a personally, very personally with
Speaker 4: these individuals, a real sense of betrayal and failure that
Speaker 4: maybe you thought you were going to be heard or
Speaker 4: stories like yours would be heard, And now all of
Speaker 4: a sudden again it's being swept under the rug.
Speaker 3: I want to hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to that yes, to that point, there was
Speaker 1: an NBC News like almost like a focus group style
Speaker 1: conversation with Epstein's survivors and some of the victims family members.
Speaker 1: So I want us to first roll a clip from
Speaker 1: one of the victims brothers, Oh.
Speaker 6: Sorry, she shouldn't be here.
Speaker 4: I am so honored to be here with.
Speaker 1: You guys.
Speaker 4: She she would be here.
Speaker 7: She'd be screaming, you know, And I think you know
Speaker 7: they said it best. It's like if I could really say,
Speaker 7: what you know, what we're looking for out of this
Speaker 7: is justice, looking for accountability, and I think it's you know,
Speaker 7: we really have to start questioning what do we stand for?
Speaker 4: So you know, it means the world.
Speaker 7: To be here with you, all of you, and you know,
Speaker 7: I think this is only the beginning of what's really
Speaker 7: to come because showing a force like this, they have
Speaker 7: to listen now.
Speaker 1: And I want to also go to one of the
Speaker 1: survivors herself, who spoke to the impact of what happened
Speaker 1: to her under the care or the watch rather of
Speaker 1: Julie Epstein.
Speaker 8: Going through stuff like this, especially as an adult, it
Speaker 8: brings up a lot of mental health issues and I
Speaker 8: thought of hurting myself and not now, but you know,
Speaker 8: over the last six or so years, just going through
Speaker 8: all this, and it's hard. And I know that if
Speaker 8: I have those thoughts and Virginia has those thoughts and
Speaker 8: where victims, you know, how many more of us do
Speaker 8: we have to lose?
Speaker 1: Virginia, who was referenced here, took her own life after
Speaker 1: suffering under the weight of this for many many years.
Speaker 1: Wendy referenced six years but they have been dealing with
Speaker 1: this since they were fourteen years old. One of the
Speaker 1: things that you hear from a survivor who's going to
Speaker 1: play now is why they may need to take justice
Speaker 1: into their own hands. Show of hands.
Speaker 9: Did any of you hear from the Justice Department before
Speaker 9: they released that memo, that two page memo earlier this summer?
Speaker 1: No hands.
Speaker 9: Were any of you told that Todd Blanche would be
Speaker 9: speaking with Gillay Maxwell prior to that interview over the
Speaker 9: course of two days. No, No, were any of you
Speaker 9: told about the prison transfer that doing that. No where
Speaker 9: any of you. Do any of you feel that the
Speaker 9: DJ has communicated with you enough this year?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 9: Have any of you had any communication with the DJ. No,
Speaker 9: nobody in this room has heard at all from the
Speaker 9: Department of Justice.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 9: No, is that surprising to you?
Speaker 10: No, No, it should be. It should Yeah, it should
Speaker 10: be to think it's their job. This is the center
Speaker 10: of this whole entire case. They are the center. Why
Speaker 10: would you, Glenn Maxwell, Let's get this right before the
Speaker 10: narrative changes.
Speaker 11: And I believe that so strongly that that is the
Speaker 11: intent of her. She's trying to rewrite history. And it
Speaker 11: was almost like she was given that platform to do that,
Speaker 11: and that is not acceptable on any terms. She wasn't
Speaker 11: just this co conspirator and that was her boyfriend. She
Speaker 11: was actively participant. She prayed upon these young girls, and
Speaker 11: she used her womanhood to do it.
Speaker 10: Yes, Okay, Virginia said it.
Speaker 11: She was vicious, she was a monster. She doesn't deserve
Speaker 11: any type of platform.
Speaker 1: I wanted to play those clips because I think it
Speaker 1: is important one for me. I think that when you
Speaker 1: hear Epstein's name over and over and over again, you
Speaker 1: get to a point where you almost just harden your heart.
Speaker 1: To the point of the question we received from doctor Buchanan,
Speaker 1: there are a number of people that suffer in silence
Speaker 1: around child sexual abuse because they are shamed, They feel
Speaker 1: like they did something wrong. Many of the victims that
Speaker 1: I talked to, some in my own family, feel like
Speaker 1: it would just be easier to pretend like it disappears,
Speaker 1: something that also comes up in that segment. But one
Speaker 1: place where they may be able to get justice is
Speaker 1: in the halls of Congress because they are not taking
Speaker 1: no for an answer. They are pushing. And we saw
Speaker 1: some of this after a briefing that was held earlier
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 3: But I want to be clear.
Speaker 12: What we heard today is a cover up, and it
Speaker 12: is a cover up of epic proportions, A cover up
Speaker 12: involving the United States Government, the justice system, rich and
Speaker 12: powerful individuals, a cover up potentially involving foreign countries and
Speaker 12: foreign actors. And yes, here today in this House, as
Speaker 12: our colleagues are up in the House Chamber and the
Speaker 12: Rules Committee, a cover up by the Republicans in this chamber,
Speaker 12: because as you will find out in the coming days
Speaker 12: and weeks, this goes all the way to the top.
Speaker 12: So let's be clear about that. There has been a
Speaker 12: systemic failure of the justice system for decades, a systemic
Speaker 12: failure to hold people who are powerful and have money
Speaker 12: to account, and that has allowed not just hundreds, but
Speaker 12: potentially thousands of women not only in the United States
Speaker 12: but around the world to be bought, sold, and trafficked
Speaker 12: for sex, not only by Jeffrey Epstein, but by his
Speaker 12: associates and his rich and powerful friends. And as these
Speaker 12: stories come forward, whether there are stories that have already
Speaker 12: been told, their stories in those FBI files that have
Speaker 12: not been released by the Department of Justice, in which
Speaker 12: they must release because of the subpoena or whether they
Speaker 12: are stories of victims that have not yet come forward,
Speaker 12: we will hold you all accountable.
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing that's interesting here, y'all
Speaker 1: tip I know you getting up and sitting down. You
Speaker 1: guess they said for two more clips. There is one
Speaker 1: that I think that we should witness from another person
Speaker 1: on another side of the aisle. This is one that
Speaker 1: surprised me a little bit. So if we can play
Speaker 1: Nancy Mace. So Nancy Mace, you see her walking down
Speaker 1: the hallway. She's actually in tears, and she responds to
Speaker 1: this clip, and she says on Twitter yesterday or earlier
Speaker 1: this week, since it's already being reported. Yes, I left
Speaker 1: the oversight briefing with Epstein victims early as a recent survivor,
Speaker 1: not two years in. I had a very difficult time
Speaker 1: listening to their stories full blown panic attack, sweating, hyperventilating, shaking,
Speaker 1: I can't breathe. And I definitely think we should hear
Speaker 1: from another member of Congress who's a dear sister to
Speaker 1: this show on what she thinks looks like the next
Speaker 1: steps must be today's roundtable.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 13: It was necessary, it was long overdue, and it was
Speaker 13: very powerful, and it is why I continue to call
Speaker 13: for a congressional hearing, because their stories need to be
Speaker 13: a part of a congressional record, and the entire public
Speaker 13: needs to understand just how systemic and how far, how
Speaker 13: far and wide, and how deep this institutional betrayal goes.
Speaker 1: For people that would wonder how high are the stakes here?
Speaker 13: This is a matter of life and death because Virginia
Speaker 13: Jeffrey took her life after decades of failure, and they
Speaker 13: are victims that can no longer come up, come forward
Speaker 13: because they're in a fetal position, so broken by the
Speaker 13: way of what they've been carrying, shame that they've been
Speaker 13: caring when it is not their shame to carry. So
Speaker 13: Virginia Jeffrey took her life because of the institutional consecutive
Speaker 13: failures and betrayals of our government. So this is a
Speaker 13: matter of life.
Speaker 1: And death, a matter of life and death. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted you all to sit with that, to see it.
Speaker 1: I agree with Tiff that I don't know that it
Speaker 1: is a significant fracture in the magabase. But what I
Speaker 1: do know is that there are people at home on
Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle and everywhere in between who
Speaker 1: have either been a party to sexual assault, have experienced
Speaker 1: what it's like to be violated and to have to
Speaker 1: hold that as if it is your own baggage to hold.
Speaker 1: And I just think that this is one of those
Speaker 1: moments that can if they are able to properly break through,
Speaker 1: if they are able to have these folks dj respond
Speaker 1: to the subpoena the way that they should when Congress
Speaker 1: issues a subpoena, that maybe they may get a little
Speaker 1: bit of justice. These folks were pleading for justice on
Speaker 1: NBC News as we saw, and I think that the
Speaker 1: only way that they were able to get any type
Speaker 1: of just recourse is by having advocates like the ones
Speaker 1: we saw in Congress fighting to ensure that maybe they
Speaker 1: don't get their day in court, but at least they
Speaker 1: get their day in the halls of Congress with the hearing.
Speaker 3: Well, just for contexts earlier here, Nancy Mace took to
Speaker 3: the house floor and accused her ex fiance and ex boyfriends,
Speaker 3: and she detailed her experience with sexual assault and sexual abuse.
Speaker 3: So I anticipated that this would be a painful exchange
Speaker 3: for her, and I do not dismiss her experience at all,
Speaker 3: but realistically Nancy Mace is a Trump Siica fan and
Speaker 3: votes with him more than ninety percent of the time. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't know that this would highlight need sort of
Speaker 3: fracture Trump's DJA, we already know cannot be trusted. Pam
Speaker 3: Bondi told Donald Trump that his name was in the
Speaker 3: Epstein files multiple times. Donald Trump just decided I don't
Speaker 3: like that story, So I'm just gonna say that conversation
Speaker 3: never happened. But that's according to reporting from the Wall
Speaker 3: Street Journal. He lies routinely, and so again, I think
Speaker 3: my heart goes out to any victims of sexual abuse,
Speaker 3: but I just knowe how so often we will skip
Speaker 3: past thirty two thousand missing children or actual documented sexual
Speaker 3: abuse of children from Southwest Key programs. And again, this
Speaker 3: is well documented. It was reported in the New York
Speaker 3: Times several times, and I think there is this undercurrent
Speaker 3: of one This was so salacious because Republicans thought the
Speaker 3: Clintons were attached to this, and this is how this
Speaker 3: became a big deal, and then it resurfaced because the
Speaker 3: Echo Chambers folks is solely on Epstein. When three hundred
Speaker 3: thousand plus black women lost their jobs, it was not
Speaker 3: a breaking news banner for weeks at a time, as
Speaker 3: people are being kidnapped off the street, the context is
Speaker 3: presented as both sides. As the unemployment rate disproportionately impacts
Speaker 3: black men as well, that's not a breaking news banner.
Speaker 3: As our food systems, our democratic core principles are are eroding,
Speaker 3: that's not the breaking news banner. So the media has
Speaker 3: really spoon fed the Epstein case, and I just feel
Speaker 3: like it deserves equals. If we're going to talk about it,
Speaker 3: then let's talk about the role of separating families and
Speaker 3: how that fed children into being trafficked. Let's care about
Speaker 3: all the kids who are going through sexual abuse. And
Speaker 3: I just haven't seen that, and I certainly haven't seen
Speaker 3: any evidence that the Epstein thing is going to be
Speaker 3: the thing to bring down MAGA. So I don't mean
Speaker 3: to be dismissive, but I do hear myself, and I
Speaker 3: do feel like a cynic in this case. I definitely
Speaker 3: have all the empathy, and I think justice should be
Speaker 3: pursued on behalf of the victims, for sure, no doubt
Speaker 3: about that. But I just look at the hypocrisy across
Speaker 3: the landscape, and I think a false hope that people
Speaker 3: think oh, this is it, this is going to be
Speaker 3: the thing, and I just I don't think it will.
Speaker 3: I don't. And I also don't think a lot of
Speaker 3: these people care about Latino children who are being sexually
Speaker 3: abused as we speak. Take to the streets for that
Speaker 3: protest that Congresswoman Nancy Mays, who voted for Trump in
Speaker 3: this policy, shed some tears for that, and then I
Speaker 3: think that would be a more authentic conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Andrew, I know you have something to say.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, for the record, for the
Speaker 1: folks listening at home, we definitely don't con condone any
Speaker 1: sexually sexual assault or sexual violence, and for all survivors
Speaker 1: of these traumatic experiences, our hearts go out to you.
Speaker 1: I am grateful that on this show we can talk
Speaker 1: about the folks who are being separated from their families
Speaker 1: and all of that, but in this particular container, which
Speaker 1: is an Epstein Files container, that we can also urge
Speaker 1: for Congress to do its work, to not go on
Speaker 1: recess early, to avoid doing its work, and when you
Speaker 1: return the fact that there are members like Aana Presley,
Speaker 1: like Melanie Stansbury, and even in this case, yes, Nancy Mace,
Speaker 1: who are not going to let it fall by the wayside.
Speaker 1: I think it is very, very important that we're able
Speaker 1: to separate those things. We got a couple of other
Speaker 1: issues to get to today that are different. It's not
Speaker 1: oppression Olympics. We have to make sure that we hold
Speaker 1: space for all of these things, because everyone is going
Speaker 1: through it in some real ways. And yes, these young
Speaker 1: women who were suffering at the hands of this a
Speaker 1: few were on that stage, but there are hundreds of
Speaker 1: these women. They deserve to be heard and they deserve
Speaker 1: justice as well. Andrea, mean to jump in.
Speaker 4: Before you after all you said, I would just say,
Speaker 4: and it's okay to prioritize those traumatic experiences in your
Speaker 4: lives when it comes to making political decisions as well.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of times, because of the weight
Speaker 4: of the shame that you carry, you push so much
Speaker 4: of this stuff down. I mean, I think about, you know,
Speaker 4: when I was ready to admit complicity to everything under
Speaker 4: the sun just to avoid feeling like I was ever
Speaker 4: a victim of something. And so you convince yourself that
Speaker 4: you don't want to be in a helpless place, and
Speaker 4: sometimes that convincing can take so much of a toll
Speaker 4: that that folks have you know, results resorted to to
Speaker 4: take in their lives. I think, hopefully if this is
Speaker 4: a moment, maybe it is a moment to get some
Speaker 4: real change along the lines of this issue and breakthrough
Speaker 4: this not you know this, this completely partisan, you know maga,
Speaker 4: you know craziness, to get some real stuff done. If
Speaker 4: if that's where it leads to, then I think that
Speaker 4: would be a form of redemption, a form of accountability
Speaker 4: for those who are survivors. But if it continues to
Speaker 4: be played like a political football, then I fear that
Speaker 4: the only thing that's at the end of that tunnel
Speaker 4: is more hurt, more pain, more excuses, and frankly, more
Speaker 4: very powerful men and powerful people being able to have
Speaker 4: their way any kind of way with anybody, anytime, anywhere,
Speaker 4: and be able to avoid accountability for it.
Speaker 1: So with that, we know that absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And
Speaker 1: with that, speaking of what's happening right now, we also
Speaker 1: know that there is a lot happening where Tip resides
Speaker 1: in the District of Columbia. We're going to get into
Speaker 1: what is happening with this DC takeover and Mario Bowser's
Speaker 1: one eighty from last week. I want to get into
Speaker 1: what Mariel Bowser had to say say about Trump's occupation
Speaker 1: just last week. Our north star.
Speaker 14: Is protecting home rule in the district's autonomy in all things,
Speaker 14: especially during this last eight months where it has been
Speaker 14: clear that our autonomy has kind of been in the crosshairs.
Speaker 3: That's our north star.
Speaker 14: Since the beginning of this federal surge of officers, it
Speaker 14: has always been my focus on We didn't ask for
Speaker 14: any federal officers. We're driving crime down, but while they're here,
Speaker 14: how can we most strategically use them to accelerate the
Speaker 14: work that MPD has done. So that's our point. The
Speaker 14: next point is how do we exit from this emergency
Speaker 14: that the President declared. We know what the law says.
Speaker 14: He can declare it for just about anything. It runs
Speaker 14: thirty days unless on the Congress stops it. I thought
Speaker 14: I made it very clear. What has not worked during
Speaker 14: this period of time is ice terrorizing communities, especially with masks,
Speaker 14: and especially not having enough information about where people are.
Speaker 3: I've said that repeatedly.
Speaker 14: I'll say it again. What hasn't worked, in my opinion,
Speaker 14: hasn't been efficient and it's not on mission. It's National
Speaker 14: Guard troops, especially from other states.
Speaker 1: So imagine our surprise when this again, this was last week.
Speaker 1: But imagine our surprise when on September second, there was
Speaker 1: an order created the creation of the Safe and Beautiful
Speaker 1: Emergency Operations Center. This is guidance from the Office of
Speaker 1: the Mayor. The Mayor's order is two zero twenty five
Speaker 1: or twenty twenty five dash zero nine zero, and she
Speaker 1: in this statement or in this order says, in section two,
Speaker 1: there is established the Safe and Beautiful Emergency Operations Center,
Speaker 1: whereby they will be coordinating with United States Commercial Service,
Speaker 1: the FBI, the United States Park Police, the DEEA, the
Speaker 1: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the United States
Speaker 1: Capitol Police, and the Secret Service. And let me tell you,
Speaker 1: when you always know you found yourself on the wrong
Speaker 1: side of the truth. When Caroline Levitt tweets and says
Speaker 1: the Trump administration is I'm getting there. The Trump administration
Speaker 1: is grateful to continue partnering with Mayor Bowser to make
Speaker 1: DC the safest city in the country. The mayor's fellow
Speaker 1: Democrats should take note. Working with President Trump means safer
Speaker 1: communities and less crime. No one in their right mind
Speaker 1: could seriously oppose that, and yet Caroline, no one in
Speaker 1: their right mind could agree with you. Friend. So now
Speaker 1: I want to turn to and young activist who was
Speaker 1: recently detained under this craziness. Yes, her name is a Feenie.
Speaker 1: She's involved with Free DC and she had this to
Speaker 1: say about MARYO. Bowser's pivot.
Speaker 15: This occupation has emboldened an already over zealous police presence
Speaker 15: to increase their brutality and their subjugation against district residents.
Speaker 15: And no matter what the mayor says, the city of
Speaker 15: DC is not grateful for the influx of the illegal
Speaker 15: stops and purchase. The city of DC is not grateful,
Speaker 15: not thankful for the militarization of an unaccountable police force
Speaker 15: or are performer patrols by Trump.
Speaker 1: And his administration. So I just think it's so important
Speaker 1: in this moment for us to understand what it looks
Speaker 1: like to be on the right side of history and
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of history. Right now, sadly, I
Speaker 1: believe the black woman mayor of Washington, DC is on
Speaker 1: the wrong side of history. And I don't know who
Speaker 1: she thinks, what she thinks she's doing with the strategy
Speaker 1: is here. We talk often about no permanent friends no
Speaker 1: permanent enemies, just permanent interests. Maybe she thinks this is
Speaker 1: a permanent interest things, but if she talks to her residents,
Speaker 1: I don't think that a lot of people see this
Speaker 1: in their interests. I love to hear what y'all think.
Speaker 3: I have a question.
Speaker 4: I can't think him.
Speaker 3: I will probably you may be about to answer it.
Speaker 3: But because you were a mayor, I mean, DC is
Speaker 3: a little different because it's the home of the federal
Speaker 3: government and we don't have the autonomy that Dallahassee did.
Speaker 3: But I'm just curious, because you were a mayor, do
Speaker 3: you think that she handled this correctly? And if you
Speaker 3: were the mayor of Washington, d C. How might you
Speaker 3: have handled this?
Speaker 4: I appreciate that the question there are some differences. Although
Speaker 4: we are both capital cities. Tallahassee, Florida is home to
Speaker 4: the center seat of government for the state of Florida,
Speaker 4: and at least for all of my adulthood, my apoloitic
Speaker 4: have been opposite of that of the of the government
Speaker 4: and charge here in Florida. Yet, and still I don't
Speaker 4: know how. I keep thinking, y'all. You know me, I'm
Speaker 4: going to try to look at the glass half full.
Speaker 4: If I possibly can on her behalf, which is to say,
Speaker 4: maybe she's doing some jiu jitsu right, like taking the
Speaker 4: energy that he's putting towards her and like reversing that
Speaker 4: thing and playing with his head in some way, and
Speaker 4: that behind the scenes there is some masterful plan going
Speaker 4: on where she is being able to meet with members
Speaker 4: of Congress who have say so over her district, the
Speaker 4: District of Columbia, and is pocketing a hell of a
Speaker 4: lot of cash to then be reinvested in the city
Speaker 4: the District of Columbia and the types of programs that
Speaker 4: really do go toward reducing crime over the long haul.
Speaker 4: What what we learned from from from the Mayor of
Speaker 4: Chicago when he was giving national interviews and still is
Speaker 4: of course, is that he's I don't just throw money
Speaker 4: at me, throw the right kind of money, throw the
Speaker 4: right kind of resources, don't pull numbers out of the air.
Speaker 4: Let's deal with the facts that we have and then
Speaker 4: the data that then suggests that if we put the
Speaker 4: money here, it'll take us a lot further. The Mayor
Speaker 4: of DC has me very much flamoxed and confused. I
Speaker 4: don't know how as a sitting mayor one. You take
Speaker 4: it as a helpmate when the federal government essentially comes
Speaker 4: in and saying says, you're doing a terrible job. In fact,
Speaker 4: it's so terrible that we have to access and tap
Speaker 4: into a very little known and little used law to
Speaker 4: come in and do the job that you have failed
Speaker 4: to do. I believe Mayor Bowser is what a three
Speaker 4: term mayor maybe certainly two terms, maybe on a fourth,
Speaker 4: I'm not real sure. But all I'm saying is is
Speaker 4: with that much tenure under your belt, municipal government, with
Speaker 4: the responsibility of seeing to the safety of your citizens,
Speaker 4: I take it as a real insult. Okay, fine, Now
Speaker 4: I'm over ego, and I'm dealing with the fact that
Speaker 4: any surge that they could possibly produce for you is
Speaker 4: one that is not going that you can hold, is
Speaker 4: not one that you can hold over the long term.
Speaker 4: And so what happens is is after thirty days and
Speaker 4: maybe another thirty day extension and maybe a few more
Speaker 4: after that, the problem then comes back to you and
Speaker 4: what do you think you're gonna get Because the material
Speaker 4: conditions on the ground of homelessness and poverty and mental
Speaker 4: health and people working a job that they can get
Speaker 4: paid to keep a roof over their head and food
Speaker 4: on the table close on their backs. Those things are
Speaker 4: still lacking. And on top of that, you got three
Speaker 4: hundred plus black women out of work, a lot of
Speaker 4: them based in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: One hundred thousand, three hundred.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I hope I said three hundred thousand, and
Speaker 4: if I didn't, three hundred thousand plus and the number
Speaker 4: is growing. So the conditions, again, material conditions on the
Speaker 4: ground are going to be abhorrent, and then it will
Speaker 4: appear again that you are incapable of doing your job.
Speaker 4: And what makes me really frustrated about the way on
Speaker 4: which this is now being handled by the mayor is
Speaker 4: that it gives them the wrong message and it sends
Speaker 4: the wrong policy prescript to these folks that you can
Speaker 4: just boost us for a couple of months with a
Speaker 4: bunch of military and so we look like a police state,
Speaker 4: drive our numbers down, and then that's going to be
Speaker 4: considered success, when in truth, on the other side of
Speaker 4: that is those numbers are going up, and I guarantee
Speaker 4: you they will be much higher than they were before
Speaker 4: the government ever entered the federal government ever entered that territory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I have more questions than I do
Speaker 3: thoughts here, Andrew. Again, what you just laid out, Donald
Speaker 3: Trump is already saying, and we've been telling our viewers
Speaker 3: this is coming soon to a city near you. So
Speaker 3: this was ground zero. How our leaders responded can cast
Speaker 3: a wide netive influence across the country. And again, I
Speaker 3: do just want to punctuate that DC is in a
Speaker 3: unique position because it is essentially controlled by Congress. I
Speaker 3: wonder what piece of advice, Andrew, that you would give
Speaker 3: to the mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Baltimore,
Speaker 3: Brandon Scott, the mayor of Oakland, former Congressman Barbara Lee.
Speaker 3: So that's my first question for you, And then my
Speaker 3: question for Angela, because of your years of experience on
Speaker 3: Capitol Hill, what if anything, can and should the Democratic
Speaker 3: leadership be doing to protect these predominantly on black cities,
Speaker 3: specifically Washington, d C. Since they live here as well.
Speaker 4: So however, y'all want to appreciate it, Teff, and I'll
Speaker 4: go real quick Angela and pass it under you. And
Speaker 4: that is one I understand the uniqueness of the position
Speaker 4: of Washington, d C. The District of Columbia, which should
Speaker 4: be a state. Understand that you've got to work with
Speaker 4: Republicans or whoever is in charge. However, if you scared,
Speaker 4: say you scared, and if you scared, you should not
Speaker 4: be the mayor of Washington, d C. There are plenty
Speaker 4: of people who we have to work collaboratively and across
Speaker 4: the aisle. But when that becomes the outright lack of
Speaker 4: representation for the people who are feeling terrorized, the ones
Speaker 4: that elect you directly to represent them, then that that's
Speaker 4: where the rub is for me, that there ain't anybody
Speaker 4: out there that I have to work with so much
Speaker 4: so that I then take the priorities of those individuals
Speaker 4: or that institution over the priorities of the people who
Speaker 4: elected me duly to service their representative voice, their protector,
Speaker 4: their keeper, their father of the city or mother of
Speaker 4: the city for the time in which.
Speaker 16: You have it.
Speaker 4: That's where it is for me. It starts and ends
Speaker 4: right there. You're in service to them, not the other
Speaker 4: way around. And then as mayors, I would say one,
Speaker 4: I think the mayor of Chicago has been doing an
Speaker 4: incredible job and trying to forecast getting out there before
Speaker 4: Trump and his people ever are able to He's they've
Speaker 4: they've been basically laying out, Look, this is what they're
Speaker 4: gonna do. Let me tell you why it is that
Speaker 4: they're coming here, And let me tell you what instructions
Speaker 4: I'm giving to law enforcement around non cooperation under such circumstances.
Speaker 4: These are going to be resources available to you, so
Speaker 4: on and so forth. I would say Mayor Karen Bass,
Speaker 4: who really was at the tip of this spear, also
Speaker 4: had to act in really real time. And what did
Speaker 4: they do. They they they activated neighborhood networks to keep
Speaker 4: communities safe, alarm systems that were intended to inform as
Speaker 4: many people as you can. Look, they're here, they're on
Speaker 4: this block, avoid it, do this, do that. And by
Speaker 4: the way, they did just win the court battle that
Speaker 4: that the president overstepped his boundaries and sending military troops
Speaker 4: there and the way in which he did. And I
Speaker 4: think that that's the same ruling that will be held
Speaker 4: when he goes to Chicago. Should that should should that
Speaker 4: to that instance occur. But I think they are doing well.
Speaker 4: I would just say, know the law and know what
Speaker 4: your limitations as well as your where you where your
Speaker 4: opportunities may exist to one keep your people protected, but
Speaker 4: two to put the government back on his heels. Because
Speaker 4: I guarantee you the way in which the mayor and
Speaker 4: the governor of Illinois and Chicago and the county executive
Speaker 4: have been handling this, I believe you. I believe that
Speaker 4: they have probably changed the government's plans probably multiple times
Speaker 4: since their announcement that they were going into Chicago, around
Speaker 4: the timing, the place, the choosing of when they would
Speaker 4: do so.
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're saying, Andrew and Tif. I also
Speaker 1: thank you for the question. I think that what I
Speaker 1: would say, given the fact that I had the great
Speaker 1: opportunity to work for the conscience of the Congress that's
Speaker 1: what we call the Congressional Black Caucus, is that they've
Speaker 1: always been very clear about their line in the sand.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes negotiation to get on the same page.
Speaker 1: But we are in a moment where you cannot cooperate
Speaker 1: with fascism. You have to know in your mind what
Speaker 1: fascism looks like, be clear about defining it, and then
Speaker 1: saying here's what my response to fascism will be, here's
Speaker 1: my alternative to what fascism is. You cannot say, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta be quiet because we show want
Speaker 1: this stadium moved here. Well, well, I guess I gotta
Speaker 1: be quiet because we show got this budget to pass.
Speaker 1: The budget is not going to serve your constituents or
Speaker 1: your residence in DC if they are locked up because
Speaker 1: they decided that somebody didn't pay their metro fare, or
Speaker 1: they decided that somebody was standing around too long loitering,
Speaker 1: or they decided that because you are black with locks,
Speaker 1: you are inherently violent and criminal. And so there has
Speaker 1: to be a very very clear line in the sand.
Speaker 1: And I just don't see that. And I'm actually really
Speaker 1: really sad because I was looking forward to someone who
Speaker 1: calls herself the mentee of Mary and Barry to stand
Speaker 1: up the way we would expect Mary and Barry to
Speaker 1: stand up. I guarantee you that this is not Marion
Speaker 1: Barry's response. I guarantee you that he would find courage
Speaker 1: where it's hard. I guarantee you that he would not
Speaker 1: sink into cowardice. And I'm so sad to say, I
Speaker 1: am devastated to say that that is what Mario Bowser
Speaker 1: is doing. Now she can go on air and say,
Speaker 1: y'all don't really understand what this executive order does. Y'all
Speaker 1: aren't clear about what I'm saying here. You know, I
Speaker 1: have to comply with this man because technically they oversee me.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you this sure. Even in slavery,
Speaker 1: there was a tactic to comply with an overseer, but
Speaker 1: there was always a red line in the sand. And
Speaker 1: she better find hers quick because right now we are
Speaker 1: on sinking sand and Tiff the way that you shed
Speaker 1: tears last week on the podcast, there are so many
Speaker 1: people who are experiencing that same heartache, that same trauma,
Speaker 1: that same confusion about where we go from here, And
Speaker 1: if Mariel Bowser is not going to protect the people
Speaker 1: of DC, she is making it so much harder for
Speaker 1: all of those other mayors. I am over the excuse
Speaker 1: about jurisdiction. This is not a jurisdictional fight. This is
Speaker 1: a fight for the soul of this country and is
Speaker 1: a fight against fascism. And if she don't know what
Speaker 1: time it is, looks like so.
Speaker 3: That's part of my challenge here, because one to bear
Speaker 3: witness to unmarked cars with men out of uniform rolling
Speaker 3: out the car and watching people scatter like this has
Speaker 3: taking place behind my building, around my building, to see
Speaker 3: like there are areas, you know, I may have talked
Speaker 3: about this, I can't remember, but it's like old people
Speaker 3: just hanging out on the corner, you know, in the
Speaker 3: public housing area that's right next to my building, and
Speaker 3: people will just sit out there all day long, like
Speaker 3: in their sixties, this longtime residence of DC, who lived
Speaker 3: in this area, long before it was cool to live here, Okay,
Speaker 3: long before it became the hot spot, long before it
Speaker 3: became a hot spot for gentrifiers. There's like a little
Speaker 3: old dude in a wheelchair with a cute little pitfull
Speaker 3: who sells Lucy's, you know, and all those people are gone.
Speaker 3: It's disrupting community. And to bear witness to that happening
Speaker 3: in real time, where you see people getting snatched, where
Speaker 3: you see people like it's just changing the culture of
Speaker 3: DC is really heartbreaking. And I wonder for the mayor
Speaker 3: of where her moral code is, because this is the
Speaker 3: question that I have for anybody who is confronting situations
Speaker 3: like this one. We have no evidence of capitulating to
Speaker 3: Donald Trump gaining you anything. It does not gain you, right,
Speaker 3: So even her doing this, even her making these remarks,
Speaker 3: this doesn't mean that next week kills us decide I
Speaker 3: want to take over DC. We're removing the mayor. You know,
Speaker 3: all these rules and processes are pixie deaths. So we're
Speaker 3: done with her. So a pardon me feels like has
Speaker 3: she gone in that microphone and told Donald Trump he
Speaker 3: could kiss her natural black ass and this is what
Speaker 3: we're gonna do in DC. The end rest result may
Speaker 3: have been the same. So if the end result is
Speaker 3: typically going to be the same as it normally is
Speaker 3: with Donald Trump, then why not be a revolution? Why
Speaker 3: not stand up and say no, I will hold the line.
Speaker 3: You may take my position of power, but you will
Speaker 3: not take my power as a black woman in this moment.
Speaker 3: So it's disappointing, and I hope people seeing this because
Speaker 3: one of the remarks that the young lady made was congratulations,
Speaker 3: Mayor Bouser. You're a fascist too. So for me, I
Speaker 3: would rather sacrifice my career on the altar of righteous
Speaker 3: indignation around what's happening before I would cling to it
Speaker 3: in favor of appeasing this white supremacist who is enacting
Speaker 3: policies that we as black people know all too well
Speaker 3: from enslavement from slave catchers, from post reconstruction, from Jim
Speaker 3: Crow from the eighties and nineties, to mandatory minimums, in
Speaker 3: all the ways that we've always been in sneel in
Speaker 3: systems like this. So it's disappointing and I am fighting
Speaker 3: the depression that comes from that, from seeing people lay
Speaker 3: down and roll over. I don't have that. I don't
Speaker 3: have that spirit in me. I don't think I ever will.
Speaker 3: But it's sad.
Speaker 4: You were made of things, yeah.
Speaker 3: And I am so pleased to be with two people
Speaker 3: who don't have that spirit either.
Speaker 4: But you know what to I was just gonna say,
Speaker 4: it's also because because you know, you don't always have
Speaker 4: to be made of sterner things, Sometimes that sterner things
Speaker 4: just flow through you because somebody has done it before you. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: I remember just thinking in so many instances, like you
Speaker 4: know what, others have survived this, Others have pushed through this,
Speaker 4: others have come to the other side, and now I
Speaker 4: can see a little bit more than maybe what they
Speaker 4: could at the time. But with everything you said, I
Speaker 4: want to dittle it and just also at at the
Speaker 4: end where you were going, which is this is the
Speaker 4: last thing the people of DC need at this moment
Speaker 4: is to feel like they are being left again to
Speaker 4: Trump and his minion's own devices, with no protection at
Speaker 4: their back, yeh, at their front, at their side. They're
Speaker 4: looking and they can't find it in their government. And
Speaker 4: that's a goddamn shame for a place that voted overwhelmingly
Speaker 4: for Joe Biden, and better than that, for a community
Speaker 4: of people who get there, who get stepped on every
Speaker 4: single day as the community. And now they want to
Speaker 4: add one more name to the list of enemies of
Speaker 4: who they are there, who they are, where they come from,
Speaker 4: where they live, the place that they love, and that's
Speaker 4: the mayor of that city. And that's a damn shame.
Speaker 3: I I'm sorry, I'll be really clear. Yeah some you know,
Speaker 3: y'all know I'm staying in the comments. So I look
Speaker 3: at the comments on YouTube especially, and sometimes I have
Speaker 3: to go back and think, like, well, what do they say?
Speaker 3: And a lot of people were saying, oh, you know, Andrew,
Speaker 3: you were preaching today, and Andrew. We love you, and Andrew,
Speaker 3: we still need you in Florida. Andrew, please run again.
Speaker 3: You know you are. Please get that. And when I
Speaker 3: sit here and look at this and I'm just looking
Speaker 3: at y'all on my screen sadly because we're not in person.
Speaker 3: We all here doing this podcast like it's COVID. But
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here looking at y'all.
Speaker 1: Way, our bank account is.
Speaker 3: Got COVID.
Speaker 1: But I think I.
Speaker 3: Know like they when you were running after the Santa's,
Speaker 3: the stupid or whatever seized control of Florida, Like at
Speaker 3: every single point, they were throwing everything at you, and
Speaker 3: never once, never once did you say, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: come out and make a statement that the Santa's is
Speaker 3: the best person ever. I'm gonna come out and indoors
Speaker 3: trump you were. It may have been hard for you,
Speaker 3: but you held your ground. You were like, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: fight because you too would rather fight to the death
Speaker 3: before you laid down and let these people destroy you.
Speaker 3: And as a result, the people of Florida are still
Speaker 3: ten toes down. All of every comment all and I
Speaker 3: read them, every comment all the time is in staunch
Speaker 3: support of something you said, something you did, like the
Speaker 3: people believe you, and that kind of trust means something
Speaker 3: to you. If you were to ever coupitulate, you would
Speaker 3: lose that and I think all of us have that
Speaker 3: you couldn't pay me if somebody said, oh, did y'all
Speaker 3: see Angela Rye, She she is maden. Now, you couldn't
Speaker 3: pay me to believe it. I'm like, that's a ain't right.
Speaker 3: So when I'm in the trenches with people like y'all,
Speaker 3: it makes me look at people who ain't got that
Speaker 3: kind of grit sideways.
Speaker 5: That's real.
Speaker 3: Hello, because I'm pregnant and there's thief about to beat
Speaker 3: my ass. If you have been under a rock, then
Speaker 3: you don't know what I'm talking about. But if you've
Speaker 3: been glusing the screens like the rest of us, we're
Speaker 3: getting into that on the other side of this break.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna tell y'all in the land of the
Speaker 1: upside down and sadly, I'm gonna confess this now and
Speaker 1: backwards shirts, there are some people who are standing ten
Speaker 1: toes down Tiff and twelve of them unanimously the ten
Speaker 1: toes down. In the Cardi b trial this week, she
Speaker 1: was accused of assault and battery uh and of allegedly
Speaker 1: scratching a security guard in the face and spitting on her,
Speaker 1: and the jury reached this verdict.
Speaker 13: They go through.
Speaker 5: Each one each of the jerks unanimous.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, so Cardi b there can breathe a
Speaker 6: sigh of relief, complete and total victory. The jury finding unanimously.
Speaker 6: They didn't have to find it unanimously. Only nine out
Speaker 6: of twelve needed in a civil trial on all four counts,
Speaker 6: the assault count, the extreme emotional distress count, negligence, and
Speaker 6: also on the issue of punitive damages finding favor of
Speaker 6: Cardi Bige.
Speaker 1: And I also think it's important for people to hear
Speaker 1: just a little bit of the testimony from the alleged victim.
Speaker 4: When you were at the building and.
Speaker 2: Party B exited to elevate on February twenty.
Speaker 5: Four, eighteen.
Speaker 13: What these What were the words that she used that
Speaker 13: were so hurtful.
Speaker 16: She used a lot of words, and again, excuse my language,
Speaker 16: but she was like, bitch, that's why I'm gonna beat
Speaker 16: your I'm gonna get you fired.
Speaker 1: That's why you do security.
Speaker 16: Aha, that's why you do security.
Speaker 10: Ah.
Speaker 16: She was sticking her tongue out, she was flailing her
Speaker 16: arms up and down, she was jumping up and down,
Speaker 16: body shaming me. I mean, racial slurs.
Speaker 10: Just a lot.
Speaker 1: So that is the testimony from the alleged victim she
Speaker 1: sounds very triggered. Let's listen to Cardi B's highlight reel
Speaker 1: from this trout.
Speaker 2: Do you prefer calling you miss Almonds?
Speaker 5: Ar Cardi B?
Speaker 10: Or it doesn't that mean?
Speaker 13: Did you can call you mc cardy.
Speaker 12: I was a little like, I don't want a guy
Speaker 12: that I work with to know I'm going to a
Speaker 12: vagina doctor.
Speaker 3: You're following me, you're recording me. I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: check my cat.
Speaker 15: Are we having a verbal altercation?
Speaker 3: We haven't.
Speaker 14: We'll say a debate.
Speaker 4: Which one is your real?
Speaker 16: Here?
Speaker 5: Are they both?
Speaker 10: Really?
Speaker 12: They're wigs?
Speaker 15: Because I'm pregnant and this girl's about to beat my ass?
Speaker 17: Hello?
Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, I'm here.
Speaker 3: I was looking at her face, but I wasn't looking like.
Speaker 10: She like bimple thing she loved?
Speaker 13: Who was that?
Speaker 3: I said, that's like out of here, just trying to
Speaker 3: get some money?
Speaker 5: Who who's trying to get some money?
Speaker 16: She is?
Speaker 10: How do you know that?
Speaker 5: Because she sawing me for twenty five million, twenty four
Speaker 5: million dollars?
Speaker 4: You said she's bigger than you, exact right?
Speaker 12: I absolutely how do you know that? I mean, look,
Speaker 12: I mean you you have a you have a medical record.
Speaker 16: I don't have anything. I don't answer either question.
Speaker 5: I mean I was a hundred and thirty pounds at that.
Speaker 10: Time, So she's overweight, right in your opinion objection?
Speaker 4: You know my thin small, you don't be fancy, Okay.
Speaker 1: So Cardi being.
Speaker 3: Una her say if we can Nick keeping part where
Speaker 3: she says she's security heavy.
Speaker 17: Because I think they could before that part is a
Speaker 17: highlight where she says that if I can find it,
Speaker 17: I'll send it to you Nick, because security heavy is
Speaker 17: the best thing ever.
Speaker 3: She's like, she's security heavy building.
Speaker 4: I love Cardi b Man. I loved her since she
Speaker 4: did that damn video about health care yes and then
Speaker 4: taking health care away and she's just trying to go
Speaker 4: and get her checked.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: I didn't say the said.
Speaker 1: Ok she said, that's not.
Speaker 3: You're talking about. She said the words, I just want
Speaker 3: to go get health care video. Yeah, about to try
Speaker 3: shut down.
Speaker 4: She kept it the realest saying she was like, we
Speaker 4: can't even go get doctor. We're just trying to go
Speaker 4: get up and checked. I was like this this woman,
Speaker 4: please put her on because she's she's like people be
Speaker 4: trying her. She's like heavyweight smart.
Speaker 3: I was watching she is clever, thinking like, why is
Speaker 3: Cardi b rapping? Like you we need this level of
Speaker 3: because she was very strategic, like they were. First of all,
Speaker 3: if the if the the lawyer for the plaintiffs, if
Speaker 3: he's a lawyer, then I'm a lawyer. Because this was
Speaker 3: one I didn't watch enough. So the Law and Order
Speaker 3: SBU you to know your questions are terrible, sir. And
Speaker 3: he what he was trying to do was pigeonhole her
Speaker 3: and try to say she's not black. So he's like,
Speaker 3: what is your background? You African American? And she was
Speaker 3: like Afro Caribbean. But she was ten steps ahead of
Speaker 3: him at every time. She was so smart, so strategic,
Speaker 3: and he did not appear to have preppt his witness
Speaker 3: because she her testimony was not consistent.
Speaker 4: She had said that she could do well.
Speaker 3: She said something different in the immediate on camera interview
Speaker 3: than what she was saying on the stand. They were
Speaker 3: planning this for her. You could tell that she was
Speaker 3: just like kind of making up things and this idea
Speaker 3: that you had to get plastic surgery because her nail
Speaker 3: scratched to you. Now, unfortunately, this week when they announced
Speaker 3: the verdict, card and a reporter asked Cardi B about
Speaker 3: fraternity issue. She threw a pin at him. So I
Speaker 3: do want our sister Cardi B to just be conscious
Speaker 3: and not put herself in those positions. But the reporter
Speaker 3: was like, I love her, I would never see her.
Speaker 3: But I just I'm a fan of Cardi B. I
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna get her her album and either drama.
Speaker 3: This could not have been better publicity and shout out
Speaker 3: to tubby Sean Holliday, who was standing right by her
Speaker 3: side after the trial. Sean Holliday is a longtime music
Speaker 3: executive and Wheeler High School. He went to wheel We
Speaker 3: went to high school together in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: So shout them out, aliens.
Speaker 3: Yea answer, what is you?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a lawyer?
Speaker 3: What did what did you think of all of it?
Speaker 1: So I didn't watch the whole trial. I watched clips
Speaker 1: on social media. I felt like they were going to
Speaker 1: have a really hard time proving the case, in part
Speaker 1: because I agree with you the questions coming from the
Speaker 1: plaintiffs attorney were I don't know if he was trying
Speaker 1: to think he was dumbing down to talk to Cardi B.
Speaker 1: But it was not smart and she got him. I
Speaker 1: think that she got him in lots of ways, and
Speaker 1: she knew when not to answer the questions. She would
Speaker 1: pause and wait. I think very calculated. And I also
Speaker 1: think this case is nonsense when you get to the
Speaker 1: closing argument, and your closing argument is about what just
Speaker 1: happened outside with the reporter, and you're and you also
Speaker 1: are saying, well, at least, if y'all not gonna give
Speaker 1: all the millions, at least give a seventeen thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for a face. And if you're not gonna do that,
Speaker 1: at least give up ten more. I mean, it was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: What it was really bad? It was. It was not
Speaker 1: well thought out or very strategic. And I think that
Speaker 1: a lot of people, particularly just so you all know,
Speaker 1: from a venue standpoint, this was taking place in l A.
Speaker 1: So jurors in l A. People in l A are
Speaker 1: very used to the shakedown civil suits, and I think
Speaker 1: that people saw this for exactly what it was.
Speaker 4: So had the jury. Yes, from like jump, she had
Speaker 4: the jury. I mean the people. It was very clear
Speaker 4: she was endearing that you could like her, and in fact,
Speaker 4: if we were ever engineering, I would ask her like,
Speaker 4: how do you keep the authenticity? I just feel like
Speaker 4: whatever when she says it, and she says a thing
Speaker 4: she like, means a thing fully and if she tempers
Speaker 4: around it, come.
Speaker 1: On on the weekend we can ask Leonard. Leonard and
Speaker 1: Cardi B are very cool.
Speaker 3: So Cardi B on the podcast. I would love to
Speaker 3: hear from her.
Speaker 4: Lol.
Speaker 3: Can you reach out Z? Can you book Gardy for
Speaker 3: next week on this podcast?
Speaker 1: Well, and speaking of calls to action, I think we
Speaker 1: could definitely jump into.
Speaker 4: Ours Cardi Carti Cardy.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's go ahead and jump into our
Speaker 1: calls action, which y'all got this week.
Speaker 3: Well, my first one is to Cardi B. And we
Speaker 3: would love to have you come on the podcast. You
Speaker 3: don't even have to talk about the trial if you
Speaker 3: don't one, I'd be interested in her thoughts and just
Speaker 3: what is happening in the world in general.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, I would love to hear from her on that
Speaker 3: I'm sneaking and getting too. That was my first call
Speaker 3: to action on my sal.
Speaker 4: I'll take your first one, okay.
Speaker 3: My second call to action is be aware and be vigilant,
Speaker 3: Like I really do think we have to brace ourselves
Speaker 3: for what's coming. I think I may upset in one
Speaker 3: of our group chats Angela debt. I thought this was
Speaker 3: like a show of force that was gonna go away,
Speaker 3: and it very much. It seems like it's the beginning
Speaker 3: of something. And just every day I see something new
Speaker 3: that's like, wow, I can't believe this is what we're
Speaker 3: experiencing right now. As black folks, we've been through a lot.
Speaker 3: I did not imagine we would be going back this
Speaker 3: far in our civil rights being rolled away in just
Speaker 3: you know, the acceptance that the Constitution, our laws, our rules,
Speaker 3: our social norms and more rays they are all literally
Speaker 3: just pixied us that can just go away. So I
Speaker 3: invite people to brace yourselves, to be vigilant. Take it seriously.
Speaker 3: I've had friends like, oh, they're not going to bother
Speaker 3: my son. He goes to Gonzaga, he's in private school.
Speaker 3: And it's like, I can guarantee you they're not gonna
Speaker 3: look at your son and say, oh that's Sarah and
Speaker 3: john Son. He's okay, Like it doesn't matter. You're you're
Speaker 3: in danger, your kids are in danger. So America is
Speaker 3: in danger, girl, So be vigilant.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Thanks car b Okay, So I don't know I
Speaker 1: got that and us CARDI B you got it, Okay, Lenard,
Speaker 1: get on it. I think mine is. You know, in
Speaker 1: this moment where we are drinking from a fire hose,
Speaker 1: is Tiff just noted our civil rights have been rolled back.
Speaker 1: I think we expected some of that, but certainly not
Speaker 1: at this pace. It's a neck breaking pace. As someone
Speaker 1: who is battling high blood pressure and has not taken
Speaker 1: the time to work out, I encourage you all to prioritize,
Speaker 1: even if it's just an hour a day, be accountable
Speaker 1: with me, holp me accountable to it, to take care
Speaker 1: of yourself. And I think the other thing that's really important.
Speaker 1: I think I've been spending a lot of time being
Speaker 1: reflective of how precious life is. Our good sister friend
Speaker 1: Carrie Champion recently lost her grandmother and shared with us
Speaker 1: and on her podcast Naked with Carrie Champion, I hope
Speaker 1: you all will tune into that as well. On iHeart,
Speaker 1: she talked about how much her grandmother meant to her.
Speaker 1: The fact that she's in sports now is because of
Speaker 1: her grandmother, who played basketball and has argued that she
Speaker 1: made up the three point of herself. But as we
Speaker 1: as we mourn the loss of loved ones, whether it
Speaker 1: is recent or it is further away. I think it's
Speaker 1: take the time to feel your feelings for grief, whether
Speaker 1: it comes in the form of mourning the loss of
Speaker 1: someone dear to you, or you're mourning the loss of
Speaker 1: a country you once thought you knew, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: take the time to feel your feelings. Ride the wave
Speaker 1: because you cannot control that wave. That is one thing
Speaker 1: that you have to surrender to. And if you need support,
Speaker 1: definitely see a therapist. And finally, please remember everybody to
Speaker 1: check your tags and not put your clothes on backwards.
Speaker 1: I just don't know what happened this morning. It's scratching
Speaker 1: my chest. I was like, you know what, and I
Speaker 1: said I. I was like, it's sitting up kind of high.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Don't put your clotheswards. We got enough
Speaker 1: backwards forward.
Speaker 4: Opposite.
Speaker 1: I did not mean to be criss cross today, but
Speaker 1: jump jump, bring back.
Speaker 3: Everything is retro. What you said workout for an hour
Speaker 3: a day? May I ask what are you doing or
Speaker 3: what are you planning to do for your one hour workout?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I used to love getting on my peloton.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna get back on the peloton, especially
Speaker 1: because it felt like church on the bike. I really
Speaker 1: missed my Angela Manuel Davis's classes. I went to church
Speaker 1: on the bike is a good thing, Yes, I would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So peloton is not like Angela Manuel Davis, but yes
Speaker 1: to if you are right, it's so different, But I
Speaker 1: would do that again. And I'm thinking about variety and workouts.
Speaker 1: I need to not feel like I'm in monotony for
Speaker 1: me to be excited about it. I definitely need to
Speaker 1: do more yoga because I know my breath work. I
Speaker 1: need to work on my breath work. So yeah, those
Speaker 1: are the things that I'm thinking of right now, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with twenty minutes. I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: get on that peloton today because right now, sister girl
Speaker 1: is putting on these pounds like drop it in whatever
Speaker 1: whatever it is years And this is the other thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, it matters how you feel about yourself. So
Speaker 3: I definitely honor what you're saying. But Angela is so tiny,
Speaker 3: and I feel like you're comparing yourself to like ten
Speaker 3: years ago. I'm like you.
Speaker 1: People, I'm comparing myself to the clothes I can't fit.
Speaker 3: Okay, I nobody's gonna sae be like she's overweight, like
Speaker 3: she is so so tiny. But I do hear you,
Speaker 3: and it's about health, you know, not just wait, so
Speaker 3: we should all take.
Speaker 1: Care about business.
Speaker 3: But you you definitely even pick.
Speaker 1: My blood pressure, you like, argue with my blood pressure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, blood pressure or definitely healthy.
Speaker 1: Argue with my blood pressure on my clothes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I've been getting all thy labs. Also. This is
Speaker 1: my last thing on health today because I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to do a whole health mini pot and I know
Speaker 1: we over but I will say this too. I used it.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say the name of the service until
Speaker 1: they sponsored the podcast, but I use this service. I'll
Speaker 1: tell y'all offline that is very very thorough. You can
Speaker 1: get all your labs done, like blood work for each organ,
Speaker 1: and then they give you clinical notes about each of
Speaker 1: these areas, very very thorough. And what I love about
Speaker 1: it now is there's also a cancer screening where I've
Speaker 1: been told because cancer runs in my family, my mom,
Speaker 1: of course, I'm dealing with it now, like check. So
Speaker 1: I'm getting my mammogram next week, a Colonosco by the
Speaker 1: week after that, and I'm getting all these labs. They're costly,
Speaker 1: but it is so much cheaper than your hospital bill
Speaker 1: if you have to fight cancer. So I'm here for y'all.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get better.
Speaker 3: I love that we all need to yes, And if
Speaker 3: you like what you heard today, share with a friends
Speaker 3: please so we could be in the person so account
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Speaker 6: That is so true.
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Speaker 3: Can I ask what are we talking about? On the
Speaker 3: Mini Pod.
Speaker 1: Yes, what are we talking about? Andrew? Would you like
Speaker 1: to tell the audience we're talking about on the Mini
Speaker 1: Pod today?
Speaker 4: I don't know what we're talking about which I want
Speaker 4: to talk about.
Speaker 3: I think we are talking about social media. I thought
Speaker 3: we had Isaac Kayes, who was gonna come.
Speaker 4: On, well, I'm gonna have to be learning a lot.
Speaker 3: Yes, but I think it's more than media. I want, like,
Speaker 3: I know, I want to talk about like platforms. A
Speaker 3: lot of people off Twitter, and I remember Angela making
Speaker 3: the point like, okay, but if you're getting off Twitter
Speaker 3: but you're still on Facebook, like basically all these tech
Speaker 3: roles are problematic. So anyway, I want to I want
Speaker 3: to get into that. Oh, and Lolo has popped into something.
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna we're gonna wrap Lo something. She
Speaker 1: back off. It was like she was like, I'm just
Speaker 1: making sure y'all know I'm here.
Speaker 3: Hey bo, hell I look you today. So I just
Speaker 3: want to say, was that anyway? I interrupted our closing
Speaker 3: because I wanted to know what we're talking about on
Speaker 3: the Minion pots on my bad.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, we are going to be talking with Isaac
Speaker 1: Cayes and to Misha Harris I believe it's her name,
Speaker 1: who is a producer and they recently had a conversation
Speaker 1: on the importance of us utilizing our own black owned platforms,
Speaker 1: and as you all know, we recently had a conversation
Speaker 1: about how we should engage from a listener question that challenge.
Speaker 1: So we are going to definitely get into that and
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