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Speaker 1: talk about the Green Bay Packers, a seventeen point come
Speaker 1: from behind win. I don't think Jordan Love's great. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if he's even very good. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if he's good. He was twenty two to forty four.
Speaker 1: Some drop passes, some really bad throws, but it's the
Speaker 1: largest comeback in Packers history. I said this about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Some guys are great when it's all set up, when
Speaker 1: they play close, so they play with the lead. I
Speaker 1: always said the body language for Aaron Rodgers. If he
Speaker 1: got behind big, he changed the way he played. He
Speaker 1: became more cautious, more sale like he mailed in the game,
Speaker 1: just wanted to protect his passer rating. Whether that's true
Speaker 1: or not, that's something I've been saying for about seven
Speaker 1: eight years or longer than Aaron Rodgers. So Jordan Love
Speaker 1: trails seventeen to nothing, but he's got that young, naive,
Speaker 1: optimistic we're never out of it till the game ends feel,
Speaker 1: and I think players pick up on that. I think
Speaker 1: teammates pick up on that. Now, did he get a break?
Speaker 1: Derek Carr got hurt. Yes, he got a break. Lots
Speaker 1: and lots of breaks happen in football games. I mean,
Speaker 1: good God, if you watch the Vikings Chargers, each team
Speaker 1: was trying to lose the game, like games are all
Speaker 1: about breaks and opportunities. Jordan Love got an opportunity full
Speaker 1: steam ahead, head down, optimistic, positive body language, positive energy,
Speaker 1: and came back to win. If Derek Carr doesn't get hurt,
Speaker 1: they don't win that football game. Derek moves the chains,
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston comes in. He's going to be more three
Speaker 1: and outs, more mistakes. Now, the Saints could have won
Speaker 1: it with a field goal, but again they didn't. But
Speaker 1: my takeaway and Jordan Love, I don't know what he is.
Speaker 1: He's young. I said, I want Thanksgivings the time. He's
Speaker 1: been sitting for three years. Give me to Thanksgiving. I'll
Speaker 1: have a strong, more definitive opinion. He missed some easy
Speaker 1: things today. He looked a little rattled today. But the
Speaker 1: Packers have always done a really good job of drafting, developing,
Speaker 1: avoiding chaos. They don't they can't get top free agents,
Speaker 1: but in a weird way, it helps them. You never
Speaker 1: have to deal with, you know, outside of a farvar
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers ego, you don't deal with a lot of
Speaker 1: nonsense in Green Bay, right. You kind of know what
Speaker 1: you have. You never feel like you have the most
Speaker 1: talented team, but you have a talented team. But I
Speaker 1: like the fact that Jordan Love biggest comeback in Packer history, positive, optimistic,
Speaker 1: keep grinding These games last forever. I mean, good God,
Speaker 1: the Jets didn't do anything all day and almost won
Speaker 1: the game in a hail Mary. Just stay keep moving,
Speaker 1: keep grinding, keep getting first downs. Sometimes it's just a
Speaker 1: game of attrition. And the Packers win a game they
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have yet, they got a break. But I
Speaker 1: was happy for Jordan Love. Twenty two of forty four
Speaker 1: is not Joe Montana, but he's a kid. He's young.
Speaker 1: When you're young, especially when you're young, these wins feel
Speaker 1: like two. You know that's going to carry over to
Speaker 1: the next game. That optimism. They get into that locker
Speaker 1: room and they know they were down seventeen to nothing.
Speaker 1: That's a big, big win for the Packers. So the
Speaker 1: Dolphins drop by seventy. Burger beat the Broncos seventy to twenty.
Speaker 1: I had said multiple weeks ago that I thought the
Speaker 1: biggest potential tsunami in the league was Denver because of
Speaker 1: the different personalities between Russell Wilson and Sean Payton and
Speaker 1: the pressure for both to succeed quickly. The defense, which
Speaker 1: carried the team last year is now really bad. Vance
Speaker 1: Joseph is coaching it. It's horrendous. It's not the most
Speaker 1: talented defense. They don't get a great pass rush on
Speaker 1: a consistent basis. Bradley Chubb is now over the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: so they could use at the trading deadline some defensive help.
Speaker 1: But this is an embarrassing loss the free I still
Speaker 1: think they have a lot of talent. I still think
Speaker 1: they can win games. But so much of Russell Wilson's legacy,
Speaker 1: his reality is locker room stuff. Russell has always been
Speaker 1: more popular out of the locker room than in it.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, by the way, has often been popular in
Speaker 1: the locker room, but takes some criticism out of it.
Speaker 1: And that's a real thing. It doesn't really matter what's
Speaker 1: set outside the room, what is inside the room. It
Speaker 1: feels like to give up seventy points, like Miami's really good.
Speaker 1: I think Miami is the best team in the league
Speaker 1: right now. San Francisco is the best roster, Miami's the
Speaker 1: best team. So the fact that Miami won doesn't shock me.
Speaker 1: I stayed away from it. I didn't want to touch it.
Speaker 1: A lot of the wise guys like Denver and I'm like,
Speaker 1: no thanks. I think Miami is so creative, so clever
Speaker 1: in the red zone. It's a master's class on how
Speaker 1: to score points. Just total deception inside screens. I mean
Speaker 1: almost as a rule, whatever they do initially, they'll go
Speaker 1: the opposite way. Eventually they're just all sleight of hand.
Speaker 1: It's like a classic, you know, magician with cards like
Speaker 1: you just can't keep your eyes on where they're going.
Speaker 1: But seventy to twenty feels like there's locker room issues.
Speaker 1: And I always thought this was a big lift for
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. He had to change the culture, the old
Speaker 1: line Russell Wilson, and it's not working and it's getting worse.
Speaker 1: This sounds crazy, but I wouldn't be shocked if eventually
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson doesn't start, they blow it up. Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: has always been aspirational, but the truth is he's never
Speaker 1: been a great pocket passer. There's questions if you look
Speaker 1: at Seattle, how great of a leader he was. I
Speaker 1: thought he was until he left and got banged on
Speaker 1: by four or five different ex teammates. I've never seen
Speaker 1: that in my career, in my life of doing this,
Speaker 1: I've never seen a star quarterback leave somewhere. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are even people in Chicago that spoke up for
Speaker 1: Jake Cutler. I didn't think. I didn't think anybody like
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler. I'd never heard anybody bad mouth Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: When he left Green Bay, Russell got tagged by about
Speaker 1: six four five six guys, and so I don't know
Speaker 1: what this locker room is like, but I think we're
Speaker 1: headed again. You could have lost today thirty four to thirty.
Speaker 1: Thirty four to twenty seven been competitive. You could have
Speaker 1: lost today. It's not that. Seventy to twenty feels like.
Speaker 1: It's much much deeper than that. It's a cultural issue.
Speaker 1: It's a locker room issue, it's a quitting issue, much
Speaker 1: deeper problems. And Sean Payton's gonna win this thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton coaches can coach to their seventy Belichick still
Speaker 1: puts up great defensive game plans. He's gonna win this battle.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're going to get out of
Speaker 1: this contract. They're gonna have to draft another quarterback. I
Speaker 1: think they clearly will. Who would have thought in a
Speaker 1: great college quarterback draft class Denver, Listen for all the
Speaker 1: picks they gave up, the Broncos do have a first
Speaker 1: round pick, and they need some defensive line help. But
Speaker 1: I would draft a quarterback. The only way to get
Speaker 1: out of this Russell Wilson thing if it doesn't work
Speaker 1: is to hit in a quarterback. You don't have to
Speaker 1: pay him for four to five years. That's your only hope.
Speaker 1: And then eventually if it doesn't work this year, I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure if Russell Wilson would be on the roster.
Speaker 1: You just move him. But I mean, that sounds like hyperbolic.
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: This is not This is going to be a personality
Speaker 1: clash between Peyton and Russell Wilson, and Peyton's gonna win it.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's gonna win this. It's not going to be close.
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Speaker 1: I thought there was a chance that if the Chargers
Speaker 1: lost today that Brandon Staley would have been fired on
Speaker 1: the flight home. They remain so undisciplined, defensively bad defensive
Speaker 1: penalties multiple times today bailing out the Vikings, who didn't
Speaker 1: really generate a ton of offense. They had a great
Speaker 1: touchdown to Justin Jefferson, who tends to score most of
Speaker 1: his touchdowns in Minneapolis, but this defense, again, Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: doesn't have Austin Eckler end of the game didn't have
Speaker 1: Mike Williams and Herbert, so Herbert a lot of his
Speaker 1: passes were underneath twelve yards in almost in lieu of
Speaker 1: a running game. But there was a moment at the
Speaker 1: end of this game, and again Hindsight's twenty twenty. But
Speaker 1: it was fourth down in an inch, fourth down in
Speaker 1: a foot, fourth down in this whatever, deep in their
Speaker 1: own territory, punt it Minnesota. Kirk Cousins had been under
Speaker 1: intense pressure the entire game. You're a defensive coach. You're
Speaker 1: getting tremendous pressure on Kirk Cousins. Punt it, make them
Speaker 1: drive seventy five yards and win by a touchdown. Instead,
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley decides, I'm going to go for it deepen
Speaker 1: my own territory, and then I'm going to give it
Speaker 1: to my least skilled offensive player. Herbert could roll out Keenan,
Speaker 1: Allen Everett, they have multiple receivers Palmer. No, they give
Speaker 1: it to the backup running back who gets stuffed. Wow Wow,
Speaker 1: and an interception retains Brandon Staley's job. I think that's
Speaker 1: how close it is, you know. Once again, Herbert puts
Speaker 1: up massive numbers. Herbert most the air free Herbert without
Speaker 1: his star running back Mike Williams, gets hurt. If you're
Speaker 1: scoring twenty eight points a week and that's what the
Speaker 1: Chargers do, and the quarterback's got a passer rating in
Speaker 1: the hundreds and is throwing for over three hundred yards,
Speaker 1: you have to win those games. And the Chargers almost
Speaker 1: gave it to a Viking team that can't run the
Speaker 1: football and couldn't protect their quarterback. Think about that, couldn't
Speaker 1: run the football, couldn't protect the quarterback, and they have
Speaker 1: a quarterback and Kirk Cousins who's not hyper athletic. You
Speaker 1: watch that game, there was no question. If you take
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson out of that game. Of the top twelve players,
Speaker 1: eight nine were Chargers and they hold on for dear life.
Speaker 1: What do they do well? They rush the passer pretty well.
Speaker 1: I think that's because of the people they've drafted, and
Speaker 1: they have a really nice passing attack, again because of Herbert,
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, because of really good players. But
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a team in the league that
Speaker 1: is worse on attention to detail, A talented team that's
Speaker 1: worse attention to detail than the Chargers. Brandon Staley keeps
Speaker 1: his job, but they tried to give that thing away
Speaker 1: half a dozen times with dumb penalties in key spots.
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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff three and out. But I think this is
Speaker 1: just how Pittsburgh's gonna win. And I think that they're
Speaker 1: basically when they face offensive lines they can manipulate. I
Speaker 1: did think their defense got a bit gas, Jimmy could
Speaker 1: go to a second or third receiver. You couldn't do
Speaker 1: that in the first half, couldn't do that in the
Speaker 1: first three quarters. So I mean, I think every great
Speaker 1: defense if they're on the field enough, and that's the
Speaker 1: problem with the Steeler defense. They're fantastic. But this team
Speaker 1: leads the league in three and outs. You know, they're
Speaker 1: kind of an old school If they beat you over
Speaker 1: the top, they can't they can't really run the ball. Pickett,
Speaker 1: we'll let it loose. He moves okay, but it's a
Speaker 1: big play offense. Occasionally. This is your O line and
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickets your quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, one thing that's pretty clear is that
Speaker 2: I agree. One thing that's pretty clear is that they
Speaker 2: drafted Najie Harris pretty high and he's just not that good.
Speaker 2: He just looks kind of like an average, you know,
Speaker 2: run of the mill running back. Can you pick His
Speaker 2: athleticism actually is one thing that makes him a little
Speaker 2: more functional, because arm talent is nothing special. I mean,
Speaker 2: you watch two guys to night that.
Speaker 1: Just do not have great arms.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo's arm to me is getting dramatically worse,
Speaker 2: you know, and I think the Steelers TJ Watt, I
Speaker 2: don't know if they're gonna win enough games usually to
Speaker 2: be the defensive player of the year. I guess JJ
Speaker 2: Watt had some years, but they were still making the playoffs.
Speaker 2: If this team's not a playoff team. But he has
Speaker 2: twenty five sacks, I mean, he's on a torrid pace
Speaker 2: right now. He's a fantastic player. But offensively, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just you don't it's not pretty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was thinking about this today that
Speaker 1: I counted outside of about eight NFL teams Kansas City, Burrows, Fine, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: the Rams, Stafford. I still think has a couple of
Speaker 1: really good years left if they can protect him. He's
Speaker 1: still really good. Philadelphia, Baltimore, Buffalo, Jacksonville. There's about eight
Speaker 1: teams right now that shouldn't draft a quarterback. Everybody else.
Speaker 1: If I'm New England, I draft a quarterback. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're in love with Mac Jones. Las Vegas obviously, Denver,
Speaker 1: New York Giants. Minnesota absolutely drafted quarterback. Despite the NFL
Speaker 1: altering rules for the last decade, all favoring offense. John
Speaker 1: About eight teams in this league can consistently score and
Speaker 1: that's about it. And I think these two teams tonight again,
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks when pressured, oh, lines are both really average.
Speaker 1: Points are a premium, and I think that this is
Speaker 1: why they keep altering the rules. A lot of your
Speaker 1: better athletes. These edge rushers. We can't find offensive linemen
Speaker 1: in this league. There's just too many good edges and
Speaker 1: these there's edge rushers everywhere. You can't block Max Crosby,
Speaker 1: you can't block TJ. Watt. I just look at this.
Speaker 1: I think I looked at the Steelers and their recipe is, Listen,
Speaker 1: we can win ten games a year just on defense
Speaker 1: and a couple of over the top plays.
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at it, everyone thinks Matt Canada
Speaker 2: is the village idiot, and I think a lot listen.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's Kyle shanahana McVeigh, but his personnel
Speaker 2: is not great. We're on the flip side, Josh McDaniels. Now,
Speaker 2: this is second opportunity in what fifteen plus years. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the Denver thing a long time ago. He tied his
Speaker 2: hands to t bow, tried to be Belichick two point
Speaker 2: zero and that was He's ran out of the building
Speaker 2: within a year and a half. This is not going well, Colin.
Speaker 2: And he tied himself immediately to Jimmy Garoppolo. Who listen,
Speaker 2: I know people love to be like, well, perty would
Speaker 2: look the same. Jimmy Garoppolo is just not a very
Speaker 2: good player right now. His arm strength has greatly diminished.
Speaker 2: His decision making is horrendous. I got a text a
Speaker 2: night from an NFL EXECU that was like, how do
Speaker 2: you have DeVante Adams and Josh Jacobs And they basically
Speaker 2: had seven points, you know, fifty five minutes of the game, Like,
Speaker 2: what is going on this guy? Listen. Obviously, when you
Speaker 2: have Tom Brady, you're going to be a better coach.
Speaker 2: But he was viewed as just an excellent scommat x's
Speaker 2: nos chess player, and you're watching him now as a
Speaker 2: head coach. It just looks terrible, Colin. I don't know
Speaker 2: how else to say it. He just he looks over
Speaker 2: his head a little bit and a lot. He's tied
Speaker 2: himself to Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniels so creative and clever with Miami and Shanahan
Speaker 1: is as well as you called him. Mike McDaniel, the
Speaker 1: Ivy League, Shanahan and then McVeigh I think also falls
Speaker 1: into this. Really clever Andy Reid we know is reddy clever.
Speaker 1: There's a very small handful of guys that are that
Speaker 1: can really do their magicians and they can do a
Speaker 1: lot of different things. Right. I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels has an offense. This is what it is.
Speaker 1: He needs the right left tackle, the right quarterback, Whereas
Speaker 1: I think Shanahan, McVeigh, McDaniels can kind of use their
Speaker 1: personnel and there can be limitations at quarterback, limitations on
Speaker 1: the offensive. Miami doesn't have a great offensive line, Rams
Speaker 1: don't have a great offensive line. Doesn't matter, they figure
Speaker 1: out a way to make it work. I kind of
Speaker 1: feel Josh McDaniels is one of those you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you ever have a college professor or I you know,
Speaker 1: and he's good, but it's basically the same lecture for
Speaker 1: thirty years, Like this is kind of the act he has.
Speaker 1: Really he hasn't really added to it. It's the same
Speaker 1: tricks of thirty years ago and he's never updated things.
Speaker 1: And I kind of feel like Josh McDaniels has an offense.
Speaker 1: It's only as good as the quarterback. It bombed with Tebow,
Speaker 1: it was great with Brady, and it's limited with Garoppolo.
Speaker 1: It's not super clever. It's predicated on who's throwing the ball.
Speaker 2: I would say. The other thing is these New England guys,
Speaker 2: they always hire other New England guys. Where McDaniel's a
Speaker 2: good example, he'd never worked with Vic Fangio. Hires mcfangiel.
Speaker 2: Why he's the best defensive coordinator in the market. They
Speaker 2: need to upgrade that side of the ball. And you
Speaker 2: look at you know, Josh McDaniel, what does he do.
Speaker 2: He goes get Patrick Graham, who was with Joe Judge,
Speaker 2: who was with Bill Belichick, and they've all worked together.
Speaker 2: They all stay so insulated as a group. Where these
Speaker 2: Sean McVay, he's gone outside before, brand know, Brandon Staley,
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan had never worked with Steve Wilks. You gotta
Speaker 2: be okay with thinking outside the box. Sometimes on you
Speaker 2: on your position coaches, but specifically the coordinator on the
Speaker 2: other side of the ball. I mean, the Raiders defense
Speaker 2: is just they've been drafted high for fifteen plus years
Speaker 2: and they're just always terrible. I mean, look, they draft
Speaker 2: a guy in the top ten. That's the other thing.
Speaker 2: Personnel wise, you draft that guy you know from Texas
Speaker 2: Tech over Jalen Carter and Collins Arse was saying, it's nice,
Speaker 2: it doesn't look very good. You take that guy seven
Speaker 2: to eight. I mean, he's got to have some impact
Speaker 2: on the game, and he looks, you know, like a
Speaker 2: mid round pick at best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, their best players Max Crosby, who I think was
Speaker 1: a fifth rounder and a directional school in Michigan, and
Speaker 1: he's their best player, and their on defense best player.
Speaker 1: Devonte Adams Fresno State, guy who's been good in the
Speaker 1: league for a long time. All Right, I want to
Speaker 1: talk Cowboys. So the Cowboys were missing three offensive linemen
Speaker 1: starters and I and so there's some of that. Up
Speaker 1: to four different offensive linemen played. And I think the
Speaker 1: red zone is where average offensive lines go to die.
Speaker 1: It's congested. You need the push. Teams that have great
Speaker 1: old lines like Philadelphia are generally great in the red zone.
Speaker 1: It's hard enough to block. It's really hard in a
Speaker 1: congested space when you have a limited playbook, right half
Speaker 1: your playbook you can't use when you're at the seven
Speaker 1: yard line. You know, so when you're going backup offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: For at one point Dallas wasn't gonna be great in
Speaker 1: the red zone. But I do think it points out
Speaker 1: when I watched Dallas played, I think more than they
Speaker 1: want to admit, Dak's Kirk Cousins with more mobility. There's
Speaker 1: a way Dak is good. He plays with the lead.
Speaker 1: He throws thirty four times or fewer. It's complimentary throwing.
Speaker 1: It's play action throwing. Mike McCarthy trailed late in the game.
Speaker 1: He was still running the ball, and Mike's thing is,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have him throw forty five times
Speaker 1: a game. I know how this turns out. He'll throw interceptions,
Speaker 1: make mistakes, he'll get dogged all week in practice. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to have Dak confidence going to the tank.
Speaker 1: And so they played kind of conservative trailing in the game.
Speaker 1: That was my take is that Mike's like, listen, I
Speaker 1: know the outcome. He's got a bad record, and I
Speaker 1: think Mike kind of fell like, I'm not going down there.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna we're just gonna run the ball if
Speaker 1: we can get one of these things. And I feel
Speaker 1: it like with Dak, there's a way to play now
Speaker 1: everybody's crushing McCarthy for the game plan. And again they
Speaker 1: moved the ball. They actually ran the ball pretty well.
Speaker 1: They moved the ball. They were just bad in the
Speaker 1: red zone. My takeaway is I don't think McCarthy's a
Speaker 1: great coach. And I kind of watched Dallas and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is not how, this is not how
Speaker 1: they win with Dak. That's my take.
Speaker 2: Well, today's a good example on McCarthy. They get in
Speaker 2: the red zone, they're one to five, right, they could
Speaker 2: not Like you said, they moved the ball. They ran
Speaker 2: the ball for almost two hundred yards. Pallard looked fantastic.
Speaker 2: When I have Ceedee Lamb, Tony Pollard and Brandon Cooks
Speaker 2: and I get within the ten or five yard line,
Speaker 2: I have to have a couple of plays using motions,
Speaker 2: some trickeration that Andy Reid, the McDaniel, that Sean McVay
Speaker 2: to just get some layup walk in place. You saw
Speaker 2: it all around the league today with these innovative offensive minds,
Speaker 2: and you watch them, you're right, they're missing guys the
Speaker 2: offensive line penalties today, Remember a couple years ago they
Speaker 2: led the league penalties. That was cropping up again today.
Speaker 2: But understandable sometimes when you have new faces at you know,
Speaker 2: in your front five. But to not have just a
Speaker 2: couple go to easy walk in touchdowns today because let's
Speaker 2: face it, Arizona's played pretty well this year, yep. I
Speaker 2: mean they were very feisty Week one against Washington. They
Speaker 2: were kicking the shit out of the Giants for a half,
Speaker 2: and today they brought it. I mean, they were flying around.
Speaker 2: If you didn't know that, all of us thought they
Speaker 2: were gonna suck you go. This is a solid NFL team.
Speaker 2: The quarterback looked good defensively, they were flying around. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I listen, Dak's been who he's been for
Speaker 2: half a decade now, right. He hasn't changed. He's been solid.
Speaker 2: But like that pick toward the end of the game,
Speaker 2: which ultimately at that point in time they were gonna
Speaker 2: they probably weren't gonna win anyway, But that's kind of him,
Speaker 2: you know, Cousins does like you said the same thing.
Speaker 2: And this is where I get back to to not
Speaker 2: have just whether it's a zone red play, the Dak
Speaker 2: can get a walk in. Jordan Love had that play
Speaker 2: today on the goal line where he scored touchdown that
Speaker 2: kind of you know, got the momentum back for them.
Speaker 2: It feels like sometimes McCarthy's just kind of banging his
Speaker 2: head against the wall and listen, I thought Dallas was
Speaker 2: a legitimate Super Bowl contender. You watch games like today,
Speaker 2: the coach and the quarterback. Man, if they're not, you're
Speaker 2: going to have to beat some really good offensive play
Speaker 2: callers and some really good quarterbacks. And McCarthy, man, there's
Speaker 2: a reason he didn't win a lot of those NFC
Speaker 2: championship games. It's not like they went to four Super
Speaker 2: Bowls and only won the one with Aaron Right. They
Speaker 2: went to five NFC Championship games, and beside the one
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Speaker 1: the things that is really interesting, Jimmy Johnson was really
Speaker 1: outspoken about Brandon Staley and if you watch, I watched
Speaker 1: every second of that game. Both those teams were trying
Speaker 1: to give that game away the Chargers outside of Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 1: and maybe that there's a safety for Minnesota who's really
Speaker 1: good the Notre Dame Guide's been in the league for years.
Speaker 2: Harrison Smith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Chargers have better players all of the field.
Speaker 1: It's not even debatable, better old line, better pass rush,
Speaker 1: just have better roster. But what was remarkable about Brandon
Speaker 1: Staley going for it on fourth down at the twenty
Speaker 1: four is it Minnesota Number one had no timeouts left,
Speaker 1: had struggled to block increasingly in that game, struggled to
Speaker 1: block the Chargers front. So no timeouts, you punt it.
Speaker 1: Let's say they fair catch it at the thirty thirty five.
Speaker 1: They need a touchdown to win. They have no timeouts left,
Speaker 1: and the pressure has increased on Kirk Cousins, who's not
Speaker 1: a big throw the ball down the field, not a
Speaker 1: deep ball thrower anyway, And they really had abandoned a
Speaker 1: lot of that because they just didn't have time to
Speaker 1: set up for that. They couldn't get the protection. And
Speaker 1: he goes for it, and then not only does he
Speaker 1: go for it, the worst skill player on the field
Speaker 1: is the guy who gets the ball, the backup running
Speaker 1: back because Austin Ecker didn't play. And I'm like, what timeout?
Speaker 1: That wasn't a tough one, no timeouts. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, you're getting great pass rush and they
Speaker 1: can't call a timeout. They have to get into the
Speaker 1: end zone. I thought it was almost a fireable. I thought,
Speaker 1: if they lost that game, you could fire him flying
Speaker 1: back home. Now that is am I overreacting to that?
Speaker 2: Well, I thought if they lost the game when today started,
Speaker 2: before the ball even kicked off. I don't see how
Speaker 2: you didn't fire him. Now, I'm not shocked at him
Speaker 2: going for it. This is what he's been doing for
Speaker 2: two and a half years. Like he's gone for it
Speaker 2: in insane time. Remember a couple of years ago against
Speaker 2: the Raiders, he went forward like I think at the
Speaker 2: twenty yard line, not even at the twenty four. Now,
Speaker 2: it was earlier in the game. But I also think
Speaker 2: when you talk to people around the league, these owners
Speaker 2: and a lot of gms, and you know t LESCo
Speaker 2: are very numbers driven and are very pro the quote
Speaker 2: unquote go for it or Historically that was never the
Speaker 2: case in football. It was much more conservative, always punted
Speaker 2: and played defense. Which is that tide has clearly shifted
Speaker 2: to me, like he's gonna go for it. He's been
Speaker 2: doing stupid shit his entire tenure as the Charger coach.
Speaker 2: It's more just about the way the defense looks. They
Speaker 2: look like a really good big twelve team. They can
Speaker 2: score on anybody, can't stop a soul. You're talking gaping holes, Colin,
Speaker 2: Where is everybody? Does anyone know what's going on on defense?
Speaker 2: It happened a lot for Lincoln at Oklahoma forever. It's
Speaker 2: like we're not on the same page here.
Speaker 1: The Chargers are returning all their starters. Now they have
Speaker 1: the kid from us see the rush in, but essentially
Speaker 1: it's the same starting group and there's they're a bad
Speaker 1: third and long defense. It's like, guys, So they didn't
Speaker 1: play j. C. Jackson today, And my takeaway was, when
Speaker 1: you play the Vikings, you can't let Justin Jefferson get
Speaker 1: over the top. And J. C. Jackson just doesn't have
Speaker 1: He's not football smart. I don't know him personally, he's
Speaker 1: not football smart. It's why, by the way, it's why
Speaker 1: Belichick let him go. And Belichick just gave up on him.
Speaker 1: You know, say what you want about Belichick on offense,
Speaker 1: you almost never beat New England over the top. And
Speaker 1: so the Chargers didn't play him. And my take is
Speaker 1: he's just not football smart, like he just is in
Speaker 1: the wrong spot. He bites on anything. And so they said,
Speaker 1: if Justin Jefferson doesn't meet us over the top, we're
Speaker 1: gonna sit J. C. Jackson and we'll just keep everything
Speaker 1: in front and Kirk has to drive. And by the way,
Speaker 1: it mostly is effective against Kirk. That's a heavy penalized team.
Speaker 1: It's a heavy turnover team. The game plan was solid.
Speaker 1: There was at least two moments, could have been three
Speaker 1: where they stopped where they bailed the vikings out with
Speaker 1: defensive penalties Like I'm second and twenty third and fifteen.
Speaker 1: You're like, guys, there's a lot of veterans on this field.
Speaker 1: This is just defensive coach returning starters, guys that have
Speaker 1: been around multiple undisciplined penalties.
Speaker 2: I I, and I like you could justify firing them.
Speaker 2: I think even with the win, like, where's this going?
Speaker 2: What are we doing? It's the same thing every week,
Speaker 2: win or lose. They always look the same. How often
Speaker 2: does an eight to ten yard completion turn into twenty
Speaker 2: seven yards? You know, defenders running into each other bad angles,
Speaker 2: and they get so many explosive plays. That is a
Speaker 2: pretty basic seven yard you know, slant route that goes
Speaker 2: another twenty six yards. That's why they were able to
Speaker 2: constantly get back into the game because they can't tackle
Speaker 2: a soul. The defensive backs now for two and a
Speaker 2: half years, never feel like they know where they're supposed
Speaker 2: to be. Ever, like you say, JC Jackson, they just
Speaker 2: waved the white flag on that one they said, all
Speaker 2: this money whatever, healthy and active. Yeah, but the guys
Speaker 2: that were out there today, And this is what I
Speaker 2: think people are so critical of him that he's a
Speaker 2: defensive head coach. He's really when you're a defensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: you're in charge of the coverages, like that's the most
Speaker 2: important thing, right, the coverages against you know, and clearly
Speaker 2: the coverages he's calling, his players do not know how
Speaker 2: that he wants them to execute it because they're all
Speaker 2: over the map on any given call, Guys out of position,
Speaker 2: guys wide open. It does look like a college team
Speaker 2: that is having to win, you know, on a weekly basis.
Speaker 2: Forty eight to forty five, that's kind of the way
Speaker 2: they have to play. But in the NFL that's very
Speaker 2: difficult because you're margin feir so small offense, you're going
Speaker 2: to screw up sometimes. I mean, he was forty to
Speaker 2: forty seven today. Now he got lucky on the one
Speaker 2: touchdown that could have been a pick. But he is
Speaker 2: playing really, really well, and I know that sometimes it
Speaker 2: gets pushed back, why don't you win more? If you
Speaker 2: just watch the Chargers play, you will understand why he
Speaker 2: just doesn't quote unquote win more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean he basically without Austin Eckler, they have
Speaker 1: no run games. So it's a short passing game. And
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a quarterback in the league maybe
Speaker 1: Mahomes who is better on the catch it. Throw it
Speaker 1: to the perimeter. That's not as easy as it looks. Herbert.
Speaker 1: It is a complete layup. He must have had eighteen
Speaker 1: of those today, maybe twenty five. Catch it, throw it,
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, It doesn't matter. Gerald Everett. By the way,
Speaker 1: that's not a layup for a lot of guys in
Speaker 1: this league. It is a layup for Justin Herbert, just
Speaker 1: out even crossfield throws easy stuff. So pivot to this.
Speaker 1: It's very obvious that, you know, Zach Wilson, he's not
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback, and I think we all knew that
Speaker 1: coming into the season. They're gonna punt on him. Think
Speaker 1: I think the Chicago Bears are very likely going to
Speaker 1: have the number one pick, you know, Arizona Josh Dobbs
Speaker 1: as a backup to Kyler. Murray's actually a pretty good
Speaker 1: quarterback room if Kyler. If Kyler's centered and ready to go,
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a quarterback room. That would not
Speaker 1: be your issue. I just think, like you said, they're feisty,
Speaker 1: they're fast, they they're competitive at home. They're gonna win
Speaker 1: five or six games. If Kyler comes back, they go
Speaker 1: wins six or seven. Josh Dobbs can certainly make throws.
Speaker 1: You know, good kid in the room, moves well. They'll
Speaker 1: win games justin fields can't play. Like you watch this
Speaker 1: like you can tell how teams defend him. They don't
Speaker 1: think he can play, they don't think he can see
Speaker 1: the field. They don't respect him so much to this
Speaker 1: game is predicated on Coaches will tell you what they
Speaker 1: think of their personnel. They'll also tell you what they
Speaker 1: think of their personnel. And I think Kansas City came
Speaker 1: into this game and said, we're going to be hyper aggressive.
Speaker 1: We don't care we can make mistakes. I watching him today,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I'm trying to be a good guy,
Speaker 1: right like everybody in the media is trying to be nice.
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson came in kind of cocky. It was easy
Speaker 1: to go he can't play. But when a guy comes
Speaker 1: in it's a big city, you know, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a huge attitude. You see some tools. I thought after
Speaker 1: today I'm like, wow, this is nobody in that building,
Speaker 1: No way. Ryan Poles thinks this is the future, right.
Speaker 2: I think the question is is everyone in major trouble?
Speaker 2: I mean they had a really rough week obviously, the
Speaker 2: situation with their defensive coordinator. The quarterback, like you said,
Speaker 2: he's just he's a bad football player, Like you can't
Speaker 2: not only not franchise. These guys aren't starting quarterbacks. And
Speaker 2: I think you would ask yourself, well, would you want
Speaker 2: him as your backup? Because Joshua Dobbs. Some of these
Speaker 2: guys you see as a backup, like they can function.
Speaker 2: Look at Jordan Love Now, he was a backup for
Speaker 2: a while. He's a functional player. How good they're ceiling is,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but justin fields can't complete passes. At
Speaker 2: one point in time today they were getting destroyed. It
Speaker 2: was in the fourth quarter. He had sixteen pass attempts.
Speaker 2: They don't even trust to throw them. When he said
Speaker 2: this week the coaching comment, which if you watch him
Speaker 2: say it, I don't think he was trying to drive
Speaker 2: a bus over the offensive coordinator, but he was basically admitting,
Speaker 2: like they want me to run a normal NFL offense
Speaker 2: where I go one to two to three, and we
Speaker 2: try to pass like these other teams and I can't
Speaker 2: do it because I turn into a robot and I
Speaker 2: don't know how to function. Part of being a great
Speaker 2: quarterback is kind of blending that instincts with the robotic nature, right,
Speaker 2: because some of these throws you gotta just turn into
Speaker 2: a robot, dump it down for four yards, right and
Speaker 2: think at lightning speed. I mean you're talking less than
Speaker 2: three Mississippis that ball you're firing around, knowing the coverage,
Speaker 2: knowing the hot routes. There's a lot going on. It's
Speaker 2: why most people have no shot to do it. And
Speaker 2: he is completely overwhelmed. I thought his physical tools I
Speaker 2: liked him as a college prospect. They don't translate really
Speaker 2: like to me. His the our motion doesn't feel very smooth.
Speaker 2: Clearly now he's like trying to guide it, but he
Speaker 2: has no clue where the ball's going. They are a mess.
Speaker 2: Calling for as shitty as as Denver was today seventy points,
Speaker 2: you could argue that was even worse. There was a
Speaker 2: moment where Denver was feisty early That game was just
Speaker 2: it was a Taylor Swift party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's you do get to a point in Chicago,
Speaker 1: and I've said this, some of it's cultural. They don't
Speaker 1: do offense well. They've never had a star quarterback. Al
Speaker 1: Sean Jeffery is their best receiver. They've had very few
Speaker 1: great offensive lines. I mean they it's weird about this,
Speaker 1: John and I. It's almost like every Laker team almost
Speaker 1: that's ever won a title has been flashy, and every
Speaker 1: Celtic team that's ever won has been feisty because Boston's feisty, right,
Speaker 1: and LA's glitzy. Every Detroit team that's been great has
Speaker 1: been tough. Same with Pittsburgh. Like you become your city
Speaker 1: or something, you become the culture around you. In Chicago
Speaker 1: is a Midwest nobs tough, hit in the mouth, you know,
Speaker 1: beer and Bratstown right, Like it's it's my favorite big
Speaker 1: city in the country. But it's just authentic. It's real.
Speaker 1: They love they I can name six great linebackers for
Speaker 1: the Bears. I can't name two good receivers. And so
Speaker 1: they don't do offense well. They don't have a sentence
Speaker 1: for it. They don't. They're not a touchy feely organization.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can go to Kansas City. It could
Speaker 1: be Lenn Dawson, it's Alex Smith, it's Patrick Mahomes. They
Speaker 1: had Joe Montana. I mean, Kansas City's had like seven
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks, Green Bays, Bart Start, Brett Fahr, Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love may make it. They just know how to
Speaker 1: develop quarterbacks. Chicago doesn't. They're still celebrating the eighty five Bears.
Speaker 1: So to come in there, Let's say Kayleb Williams goes there.
Speaker 1: I don't trust this staff, do you?
Speaker 2: I think depending on what comes out about this defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: And I'm not laying the blame on anything he did
Speaker 2: in his personal life or even if it crossed over
Speaker 2: professionally on Eberflus, Like, these are grown men making millions
Speaker 2: of dollars, But there are moments where you can look
Speaker 2: back and go, that was the beginning of the end,
Speaker 2: and that situation, all the rumors floating him having to resign.
Speaker 2: Clearly people reporting today that it wasn't anything criminal, it
Speaker 2: was inappropriate. It'll be very fascinating as information comes out.
Speaker 2: But Caleb's dad has been on record about the situation
Speaker 2: in the draft, this situation, they have a defensive head
Speaker 2: coach whose defense is it couldn't be any worse. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's as bad as it gets. The staff feels overwhelmed
Speaker 2: the quarterback, which isn't their fault. I mean, these guys
Speaker 2: didn't draft him, but is getting worse by the week. Yes,
Speaker 2: So the narrative and the negativity surrounding this operation when
Speaker 2: the season ends is gonna be at an all time high, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just gonna there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 2: of negativity from every angle. And you just wonder a
Speaker 2: guy that is viewed as this all time great player,
Speaker 2: who's got some strong opinions, and he's got some money
Speaker 2: and his dad's involved. Like, I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: lock that they just don't make a us about this.
Speaker 2: And I had people like DM and me. Do you
Speaker 2: think that they would push the ownership to hire an
Speaker 2: offensive coach. It's kind of hard in football to do
Speaker 2: maneuvering like that. This isn't basketball. But I do think
Speaker 2: that in the next month or two, if I'm the
Speaker 2: owner of the Bears and I've known people that worked there,
Speaker 2: and that place is very old schools, yes, defense very
Speaker 2: people that have worked several places, they're like, it's actually
Speaker 2: much closer to a mom and pop shop for some
Speaker 2: you know organization. Yeah, for five billion that anyone could
Speaker 2: even fathom. Right, they need to do a lot of
Speaker 2: just kind of looking in the mirror and changing. But
Speaker 2: as long as the ownership is the ownership, I don't
Speaker 2: know if things are going to dramatically change, which is sad.
Speaker 1: You know, the ownership went to Bill Pollion. He went
Speaker 1: and got Matt eberflus So. And I don't know much
Speaker 1: about Matt eberflus I have two people that know him,
Speaker 1: like him, nice guy. He inherited. You know, they had
Speaker 1: to move off ropewand Smith, they had to move off
Speaker 1: some defensive players. They're starting over. Then you become very
Speaker 1: beholden to your GM and who he can draft. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I've thought about the Bears, like where would
Speaker 1: you go if you flushed it and started over? And
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley does not want to coach right now? NFL football? Okay,
Speaker 1: So you're like, Okay, the college guy, Ryan Day is
Speaker 1: more served to me. He's more high emotion. He's a
Speaker 1: college coach, not a pro coach. We saw it again
Speaker 1: this week and I like him, but he's raw, raw guy.
Speaker 1: So Kellen Moore, I don't think is ready for Chicago.
Speaker 1: I think he would get the Charger job if Staley
Speaker 1: got fired, So the Chargers wouldn't let him go there.
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh would make them probably too uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Well, Harbaugh is somebody. I Harbaugh would go pro if
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams came out. I think it's the perfect time
Speaker 1: now Harball wants control of personnel. So could they do
Speaker 1: a situation like Sean Payton where Sean Payton comes in,
Speaker 1: Harball comes in is not the initial GM. They just
Speaker 1: make it work for a year and then I think
Speaker 1: Sean will basically take over some personnel here pretty quick.
Speaker 2: I would agree.
Speaker 1: So, but I I if I was, I just don't
Speaker 1: feel good at it. And I'm not saying Justin Fields
Speaker 1: can play it. Today was just like, by this is bad.
Speaker 1: I think I'd start over. I think I would just
Speaker 1: flush it out and start up. Listen. A couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, Ryan Polls to GM drafted VELAs Jones in
Speaker 1: the third round. Wide receiver, USC who transferred to Tennessee
Speaker 1: couldn't play a lick at either place. It's like watch film.
Speaker 1: He couldn't. He couldn't, he couldn't track the ball. He's
Speaker 1: a receiver who couldn't track the ball like I saw
Speaker 1: that pick it. I'm like, Okay, they don't know what
Speaker 1: they're doing.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't get over Week one when Chase Claypool
Speaker 2: did what he did, which was nothing and didn't even try,
Speaker 2: and they got embarrassed and they just didn't cut him
Speaker 2: the next day to kind of draw a line in
Speaker 2: the sand as their organization, this will not be tolerated.
Speaker 2: An Andy Reid, a Pete Carroll, that would never be allowed,
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick and back. And you've been talking about this
Speaker 2: for a long time. Think about some of the coaches
Speaker 2: right now. Robert salom Was, Zach Wilson, ebra Flus with
Speaker 2: Justin Fields, they can do nothing to help that guy
Speaker 2: besides just philosophically be like, run the ball more if
Speaker 2: they can't be in the meeting room coaching them up,
Speaker 2: designing plays. So even when you get into a pinch,
Speaker 2: if you're Sean McVay last year, you can influence Baker
Speaker 2: Mayfield when you pick them up off the scripe because
Speaker 2: you're the guy gonna be working with them, or Kyle Shanner,
Speaker 2: all these Lafleur with Jordan Love, they can work through
Speaker 2: things like you saw today it was not going well.
Speaker 2: Then Lafour's on a knee over with them, Robert Salaz
Speaker 2: just on the sideline as Zach Wilson's running for his
Speaker 2: life skipping balls. He has no Mike Tomlin with Kenny
Speaker 2: Pickett when things go bad, like, what can he actually
Speaker 2: do besides some Ryan day raw Ross beaches. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying they're not, you know, capable and obviously accomplished
Speaker 2: and know what they're doing leading a group of men,
Speaker 2: But when it gets into the schematics and the coaching
Speaker 2: specifically of that position, these defensive coordinators that are head
Speaker 2: coaches just can't do much beside build some confidence by
Speaker 2: whispering in their ear.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that's why I think with Chicago,
Speaker 1: I think you kind of burn it down started over.
Speaker 1: I think you go get a Caleb Williams. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying if Kingsbury would get a second shot. It
Speaker 1: felt like he was a little over his skis, but
Speaker 1: he did get them to the playoffs. And I know
Speaker 1: Kingsbury at USC and Caleb have a great relationship and
Speaker 1: he feels like he could he I don't know if
Speaker 1: he'd ever want to go. You know, he to me,
Speaker 1: he's either I think Cliff would like to get another
Speaker 1: pro job and I but it's you know, basically, Chicago's
Speaker 1: a cold weather Arizona where you don't trust the ownership,
Speaker 1: you don't trust the front office. You just you're as
Speaker 1: good as your quarterback. But as little confident as I
Speaker 1: have in justin fields, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: blame to go around. And to your point, I don't
Speaker 1: think these defensive coordinators can figure it out. I do
Speaker 1: want to want to talk before we go, and I'd
Speaker 1: said this earlier. Yeah, Denver's defense has been a mess
Speaker 1: this year. So obviously not all the blame goes on
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. But this is going to be a fascinating
Speaker 1: cultural situation because Russell's never been really popular in the room.
Speaker 1: He's been popular with public media, but not in the room.
Speaker 1: He leaves Seattle, he got dogged by like five guys,
Speaker 1: and so that's big to Sean Payton. I know Sean
Speaker 1: well enough. In the room is what he really cares about.
Speaker 1: That's why he said those things stop kissing babies? Mean,
Speaker 1: who gives a shit what anybody outside the room thinks?
Speaker 1: Win the room over I wonder if Sean Payton has
Speaker 1: already made a decision like I'm out on this. This
Speaker 1: guy isn't me. It doesn't work because they're really polar
Speaker 1: opposites in terms of personality. How long before he bails completely?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he could make a change in
Speaker 2: the next three or four weeks and just justify it.
Speaker 2: We need a spark though. Obviously today Russell didn't give
Speaker 2: up seventy points. I mean seventy points. Colin, Yes, I
Speaker 2: don't know how you shake that. I never thought they
Speaker 2: were a great fit, just personality wise. Clearly Russell is
Speaker 2: not the same and this organization needs a complete blow up.
Speaker 2: The problem is, what do you do right the contract
Speaker 2: for several years, from dead cap money to cap space,
Speaker 2: the bonus you paid him, you're kind of stuck with him.
Speaker 2: He has no trade value, so you can't really get
Speaker 2: rid of him. Essentially, you probably one year if you
Speaker 2: did get a really high pick, which they keep giving
Speaker 2: up seventy points, I'll promise you they will get one.
Speaker 2: Do you just cut them, take the enormous dead cap
Speaker 2: for like the year because it accelerates on your books,
Speaker 2: and just roll with a young quarterback and just kind
Speaker 2: of cut bait and move on. You know, the Eagles
Speaker 2: were all were lucky with Carson Wentz right, they were
Speaker 2: able to kind of just get rid of them, and
Speaker 2: even though and it actually ended up giving them a
Speaker 2: first round pick from the Colts. But a lot of
Speaker 2: times in these situations you can unload it, and this one,
Speaker 2: to me is not going to be an unloading situation.
Speaker 2: But he's got the quarterback, Like you said, the GM.
Speaker 2: He didn't hire this GM like this GM. He's playing
Speaker 2: nice for a year. This is this happens all the time,
Speaker 2: and then he'll get bringing his own guy is the
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator Vance Joseph. Look at his resume lately.
Speaker 1: It is no he'll get he'll get wack differs.
Speaker 2: Defense this year was good and now today, I mean
Speaker 2: they quit. The only way to give up seventy points
Speaker 2: is by quitting and tapping out and literally not trying.
Speaker 2: So he's going to have an entire organizational He probably
Speaker 2: thought he had some you know, uh in terms of
Speaker 2: making some steps forward this offseason, but it's clear that
Speaker 2: they're worse than last year. Like it's pretty crazy because
Speaker 2: at least last year the defensive coordinator that's now in Carolina,
Speaker 2: they were good on defense at least for a long
Speaker 2: percentage of the you know, the season, until they kind
Speaker 2: of ran out of juice. But I think Sean Pay's
Speaker 2: got to blow the entire thing up, and the rough situation,
Speaker 2: you're just kind of stuck unless you want to cut
Speaker 2: him and just take you know, historically high dead cap.
Speaker 2: But then you got to rehaul your defensive staff. You
Speaker 2: don't have that, you know, your draft picks. Uh, There'll
Speaker 2: just be a lot of pressure on this team because
Speaker 2: they are nowhere close. I mean today was I mean,
Speaker 2: is that one of the most embarrassing days in the
Speaker 2: history of the NFL? You think for one given team.
Speaker 1: It's it's really ugly. You know, I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this so Sean and I, I'm not like a close close,
Speaker 1: but you know, we have a nice relationship, and you
Speaker 1: know when you know, he had called me a couple
Speaker 1: of times about Fox and negotiating a TV deal, and
Speaker 1: he really wanted to live in Manhattan Beach and coach
Speaker 1: the Chargers, and I thought he was just gonna wait
Speaker 1: for a year because neither I didn't think Brandon and
Speaker 1: Staley was gonna last. And then we were communicating a
Speaker 1: lot and then all of a sudden, Sean and I
Speaker 1: weren't communicating a lot and then, and my takeaway was okay,
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to bother him and pester him.
Speaker 1: That's his you know, I've been doing this long enough.
Speaker 1: I know when somebody stops communicating, you're probably a negotiation.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know exactly who, but I kind of
Speaker 1: felt Denver because that's the stuff I was hearing about.
Speaker 1: And I got to be honest, I was surprised he
Speaker 1: took the job because he had said on the air
Speaker 1: there were concerns about Russell Wilson right and I. And
Speaker 1: this wasn't private conversation he had. You know, there's concerns
Speaker 1: about basketball and Grass does does he does he have it?
Speaker 1: So it's just so interesting because I would have bet
Speaker 1: my four oh one K a year ago that he
Speaker 1: would have just stayed. Fox was paying him. I imagined
Speaker 1: good money. I know, good money. He would have just
Speaker 1: stayed and just waited for the Charger situation. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny with coaches. They always you know, I've seen
Speaker 1: and friends years ago Mike Dunlevy took a clipper job,
Speaker 1: and I'm like Mike. He took the Blazers of the
Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals and arguably, you know, outplayed the Lakers
Speaker 1: shack and Kobe. But you know, somebody offers you fifteen
Speaker 1: and eighteen million bucks or whatever it is, and I
Speaker 1: just I don't think this was ever an ideal fit.
Speaker 1: But money talks, and I think I look at it
Speaker 1: now and I think, yeah, all the things I thought
Speaker 1: could possibly go wrong, not his GM, Russ and him,
Speaker 1: don't click, tough division. They're all realities today.
Speaker 2: Don't you think The wild card in this situation is
Speaker 2: this ownership. I mean, this family top two or three
Speaker 2: wealthiest family in the world America, and they are not
Speaker 2: used to failing ever, So you know who knows the
Speaker 2: dynamics they are obviously Sean is you know, a very driven,
Speaker 2: intense individual. This family's used to things. I mean they've
Speaker 2: been on I wouldn't say easy street, but their business
Speaker 2: that has been kind of on cruise control.
Speaker 1: For a while.
Speaker 2: This has to be a shock to their system about
Speaker 2: what they're witnessing. And then the nature of unlike when
Speaker 2: you own even major corporations, they just don't get talked
Speaker 2: about like they do in terms of you drive around
Speaker 2: Denver tomorrow, turn on sports radio. Everyone's you know, talking
Speaker 2: shit about the thing you own. It's some people can't
Speaker 2: especially new the new owner syndrome. That could be overwhelming
Speaker 2: and things could get weird, Things get weird fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know, I think, you know, the minute
Speaker 1: he could he signed Jarrett Stidham. I think he had reservations.
Speaker 1: You know, Sean went and looked at every throw Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson made, and I'm sure he saw things from the
Speaker 1: pocket right co Sell comes on my show weekly. He's
Speaker 1: been saying it for years. Russell Wilson from the pocket
Speaker 1: leaves a lot of throws out there. Sean saw that,
Speaker 1: and so he went and got Stitt. Him a guy
Speaker 1: that can run his offense complete easy throws. So I
Speaker 1: just don't think this relationship is going to work. I
Speaker 1: don't think this is all on Russell. But you know,
Speaker 1: you give up draft capital, you pay him, You're going
Speaker 1: to take the heat. And I do think the team
Speaker 1: quit today. So does that say the locker room's not great?
Speaker 1: The locker rooms divided? I mean, you don't see teams
Speaker 1: in the NFL quit. Maybe once a year we see
Speaker 1: a team quit. You don't see him quit in week three,
Speaker 1: Like that's a problem. It's week twelve, right, everybody's you know,
Speaker 1: everything's put on film. So guys just don't quit in
Speaker 1: this league. You just don't Monday, it's on film week three,
Speaker 1: guys quit like that. That tells me there's a cultural issue.
Speaker 1: And Russell's the biggest star in.
Speaker 2: That room, saving grace for Sean those He has the
Speaker 2: Raiders and the Chargers in his division. So it makes
Speaker 2: it a little bit easier if you could ever just
Speaker 2: get a couple of pieces in there and get it
Speaker 2: rolling in.
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