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Speaker 3: stop where favorite gets. What you doing on this side, Kurt?
Speaker 3: You decide to come over to the dark sid to
Speaker 3: sit while you over here on the s where leaving
Speaker 3: your boy over there on an island.
Speaker 6: They were trolling yesterday.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: They might have they might have teamed up, you know what.
Speaker 4: I thought about that later. Yeah, they need to go
Speaker 4: to us. There ain't no way Mike's coming back.
Speaker 3: They said nine and eight and no playoffs.
Speaker 6: He stuck to it, man.
Speaker 3: He pulled everyone in the hall from here.
Speaker 4: He was trying to get some support he was. He
Speaker 4: wasn't getting any he was.
Speaker 3: He looked defeated and we had to tell him. He
Speaker 3: called me after the show after after he talked about
Speaker 3: it eighty five times in the hall. He did not
Speaker 3: know what trolling.
Speaker 6: He didn't.
Speaker 3: He thought trolling was when you hit the follow button
Speaker 3: and following somebody on X. He thought that was trolling.
Speaker 3: So he was like, well, Jesse said, you troll it.
Speaker 3: He's like, man, what are you talking about? So it
Speaker 3: bothered him so bad he called me an hour after
Speaker 3: the show, was like, Man, I learned something today that's.
Speaker 5: Hilarious, and it was so sincere. Like in the hallway,
Speaker 5: he's like, He's like, man, I ain't know what trolling me.
Speaker 5: You said I was trolling in there. I ain't know
Speaker 5: what you were talking about. Man, that's our guy.
Speaker 3: Man, he got no support for nine and seven and
Speaker 3: not winning a playoff. You gotta win a playoff game.
Speaker 3: But I can you know, I can see where he's
Speaker 3: coming from, because if the season continues the way.
Speaker 4: It is, well, all the cards are stacked against him.
Speaker 3: Right, the injuries and the you know, and all this
Speaker 3: that's happened, and you got I got a new defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator and blah blah blah. But you gotta think the
Speaker 3: person that's in charge of all these things that are
Speaker 3: preventing you from winning more than nine games is also
Speaker 3: the one that has you on a one year contract.
Speaker 3: That's like, but if.
Speaker 5: It was just the injuries, yeah, if it was just injuries,
Speaker 5: then that's different. If the losses were competitive, yes, right,
Speaker 5: that's then it's different.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: If we got to the end of this year and
Speaker 5: we looked up and the Cowboys had eight losses, let's
Speaker 5: just use Nate's numbers for example, they had eight losses
Speaker 5: and all those losses was was within one four points,
Speaker 5: and you can attribute that to Boy, if we didn't
Speaker 5: have a large majority of our roster in those situations,
Speaker 5: then maybe because then you can say to yourself, wow, boy,
Speaker 5: if we go into freeency really this time and go
Speaker 5: all in and and really get this thing going, get
Speaker 5: our guys back healthy, our younger players that he talked about,
Speaker 5: Jerry talked about having struggles take the next step.
Speaker 6: We could have something.
Speaker 5: But it's not just the injuries and what's not to
Speaker 5: speak it into existence, But what's about to start happening
Speaker 5: is you're about like the effort is already you're already
Speaker 5: losing the effort battle. But now you're gonna start seeing
Speaker 5: guys really turn you off. And that's the biggest part,
Speaker 5: as I can't bring a guy back here next year
Speaker 5: that they turned off. Yeah, if the players begin to
Speaker 5: give off that vibe and it's and they don't have
Speaker 5: to say say anything. You can walk into a room,
Speaker 5: you can be in a space and you can see
Speaker 5: when the energy's off, when guys don't when guys no
Speaker 5: longer believe the things that you're saying. And that's the
Speaker 5: biggest part about sometimes when you have to when you
Speaker 5: have to fire coaches, is if you've lost the locker room,
Speaker 5: if guys no longer and it's visible when I can
Speaker 5: watch a game and I know certain guys and I
Speaker 5: know certain attributes and attitudes and those aren't shining through,
Speaker 5: you've lost them.
Speaker 4: All. When Wade Phillips got fired, we all saw that
Speaker 4: last game, obviously on the field, but did you get
Speaker 4: that sense leading up to it that there was already.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because we felt it. You felt it. Guys begin
Speaker 5: to feel it. Gods start now, guys start hunting for stats,
Speaker 5: the yolo ball, the hero ball that we keep hearing
Speaker 5: about like that, guys were doing more of that. It
Speaker 5: was I'm not getting hurt, and this is the honest
Speaker 5: to God truth. As the year went on, God started
Speaker 5: saying to themselves, not to themselves, but openly about I
Speaker 5: don't want to get hurt because if I get hurt
Speaker 5: when this thing is all over, I can't leave, Like
Speaker 5: I physically can't leave. I gotta stay here and do
Speaker 5: treat man. I gotta stay here and do rehab.
Speaker 6: So Gods, that that was. That was a portion of it.
Speaker 5: Those guys who had one year left, who's on one
Speaker 5: year deals were saying, I can't get hurt because I
Speaker 5: want to go into a free agency healthy. So God
Speaker 5: start looking at at you know, those other gods were like, well,
Speaker 5: i'm a I'm a I'm a buck the scheme and
Speaker 5: try to go get a sack or go go you know,
Speaker 5: or jump you know, jump routes or guess routes and
Speaker 5: try to get an interception and you know, throw me
Speaker 5: the ball and those type of things. That that was
Speaker 5: the mentality because gods looked at the at the writing
Speaker 5: on the wall and was saying, this won't be the
Speaker 5: same next year, and I need to go get mine
Speaker 5: to either be re signed here under the new coach
Speaker 5: or give myself the ability to hit the free market
Speaker 5: and be healthy and have some stats to go and say, hey,
Speaker 5: give me a contract. And when you lose a locker
Speaker 5: room like that, it just it makes it very difficult
Speaker 5: too to bring a guy back to coach.
Speaker 3: Speaking in the locker room, you want to talk about
Speaker 3: your big article on ESPN that you read.
Speaker 4: It's a big article. It's got a lot of buzz here.
Speaker 3: Today we've talked about it on the show before let's
Speaker 3: get back into it a little bit before we get
Speaker 3: into x's and o's. What was your article?
Speaker 4: Well, ESPN ran a story today. They had a reporter
Speaker 4: basically go on a tour or two of our facility.
Speaker 6: I think she came by our show.
Speaker 3: It's probably one of the ones.
Speaker 4: Well, it sounds like at least once she came through
Speaker 4: on a Saturday. But anyway, the story was about how
Speaker 4: the tours and I guess to a larger degree, just
Speaker 4: all of the stuff surrounding the Cowboys is distracting and
Speaker 4: it's hurting the effort on the field. And so they
Speaker 4: had quotes from former players, including some that went on
Speaker 4: on on the record Jeron Curst or on Tomstrong Pollard
Speaker 4: I think therom a Fowler saying that, yeah, you know
Speaker 4: now that we're in this other team, it's all about
Speaker 4: the football, and you don't feel like an animal on
Speaker 4: a zoo with people coming by and staring and whispering
Speaker 4: and all this kind of stuff. And so it's got
Speaker 4: a lot of buzzs. Like I said today, people, it's
Speaker 4: just kind of one more thing on the on the
Speaker 4: stack of negative negativity surrounding the season and just it's
Speaker 4: another reason people are pointing to and saying, oh, this
Speaker 4: is another reason why the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Aren't Nellos here. So I have an opinion on this.
Speaker 3: Jesse does too. If you tell me that that that
Speaker 3: a tour walking through this building affects how you perform
Speaker 3: on game day, then you got a lot more issues
Speaker 3: as a player than a tour walking through this building. Now,
Speaker 3: what it does is it presents a perception, and they're right.
Speaker 3: Every the perception is right. This is an entertainment brand.
Speaker 3: This is not a just a football brand. You go
Speaker 3: to Pittsburgh, that's a football brand. You go to the game,
Speaker 3: you hear a rock band on the plaza, and before
Speaker 3: the game it shuts off, and if they lose, you
Speaker 3: don't hear you don't hear music on the plaza.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: Our plaza is you don't know if we want or lost, right,
Speaker 3: because it's an entertainment brand. And Jerry will tell you
Speaker 3: that he's here. He wants people to have a good
Speaker 3: time when they come to the game, whether and.
Speaker 4: He was very open about it in this He's like,
Speaker 4: we're here to make money.
Speaker 3: Now, the perception as a player, you're going from the
Speaker 3: lunch room to work out, and here comes a group
Speaker 3: of thirty people walking through your your office.
Speaker 5: You watch our show if you just watch this wa
Speaker 5: go back here they come through it like right, the people,
Speaker 5: the people that walk by this window. On the other
Speaker 5: side of this wall is a ceiling, the floor glass
Speaker 5: that looks out where to the practice free right, that's
Speaker 5: coming from. Where the lunch room, that's coming from, where
Speaker 5: the locker room, the meeting room, the training room, the
Speaker 5: weight room area. So when y'all see those people that
Speaker 5: we stopped and we go hey, y'all, hey, they are
Speaker 5: either coming from or headed to the areas where all
Speaker 5: the players dwell.
Speaker 3: And if you happen to be going through at a
Speaker 3: time where they're in transition, you get to see those players. Yep,
Speaker 3: you get to see the coaches. So the flip side
Speaker 3: to that is, if you if you have often asked yourself,
Speaker 3: like I'm sure a lot of our fans do, you
Speaker 3: haven't won a championship in thirty years, how do you
Speaker 3: stay so relevant?
Speaker 6: There?
Speaker 3: You go access, You get access here like you get
Speaker 3: nowhere else. You can't walk through. You couldn't up until
Speaker 3: a few years ago, you couldn't go out on the
Speaker 3: playing surface of another ball field because that's where they
Speaker 3: play football. Now everybody's doing everybody's given tours of Now
Speaker 3: you even do it on grass fields now, like at
Speaker 3: the Rose Bowl and stuff where they give tours. Because
Speaker 3: one it's it's opens up access to fans and let
Speaker 3: you get that extra connection. You know, it's a revenue generator.
Speaker 3: There's always going to be these things because Jerry. Jerry's
Speaker 3: into making money. Jerry likes to make money right, and
Speaker 3: he also likes to expose fans to things that you
Speaker 3: can't necessarily. The Cowboys Club you can. You can go
Speaker 3: join the Cowboys Club for a small field and it's
Speaker 3: like a country club without a golf course. Your golf
Speaker 3: course is the practice field. You bring clients up there,
Speaker 3: you have lunch, you go out, smoke cigars on the patio,
Speaker 3: and you watch the Cowboys practice. Where who else is
Speaker 3: doing that in pro sports? Now? Guess what they're starting
Speaker 3: to do that with the Spurs down in San Antonio.
Speaker 3: They have a club there. There's other clubs that are
Speaker 3: popping up.
Speaker 5: But sidebar if you think Bill Belichick is coming here
Speaker 5: and fools get to go out on that rooftop and
Speaker 5: smoke cigar while he practicing. I'm telling y'all, y'all got
Speaker 5: another thing coming.
Speaker 3: Back to you would have unlike at and T Stadium,
Speaker 3: he would have black curtains on those windows during.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 3: That's just part of it, man, That's what But does
Speaker 3: it affect the football? Is this brand all about football?
Speaker 8: One?
Speaker 3: It's about entertainment? Right? Does it affect Sundays and Thursdays
Speaker 3: and whatever days we play on?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 3: I find it hard to believe if you're a professional
Speaker 3: athlete that that distracts you. Is it? Is it a
Speaker 3: talking point where you can say, yeah, I felt like
Speaker 3: a cage's animal on a zoo. Is it gonna affect
Speaker 3: how many reps you get in, or how much you
Speaker 3: can deadlift or what you do on some I find
Speaker 3: that very hard to believe.
Speaker 6: And I agree with you one thousand percent.
Speaker 5: If that is your means of distraction, then football is
Speaker 5: not your thing, not at the pro level. But what
Speaker 5: it opens up is we talked, you mentioned it. You
Speaker 5: said this is an intertain.
Speaker 3: Space.
Speaker 5: So if I'm dwelling in this space and I'm seeing
Speaker 5: the revenue generated in this space, well I get my
Speaker 5: business back too, And now I start wanting to do
Speaker 5: this this where the fifty three brands come into play.
Speaker 5: That affects what you do on Sunday, That affects your
Speaker 5: attention span throughout the work because.
Speaker 3: You see these things and you realize this is I
Speaker 3: can capitalize on this too, right.
Speaker 5: And honestly, like depending on the mood or the year, whatever,
Speaker 5: Jerry wants you to get that kind of business.
Speaker 6: Like we've seen the way.
Speaker 3: The stuff with Jalen, right, Like we've seen.
Speaker 5: The way that it has helped other people grow businesses
Speaker 5: and other people be able to profit off those things
Speaker 5: off there. You know, they're not college, but their name
Speaker 5: likeness and the name image and likeness on the pro level.
Speaker 5: But you are in this building and you're seeing how
Speaker 5: things are done in this building. It breeds entrepreneurs entrepreneurship,
Speaker 5: and so guys want to go out now and be
Speaker 5: a part of that. I know, I know that there's
Speaker 5: some uh uh, you know companies throughout this area that
Speaker 5: they you know, hire players to come out and do
Speaker 5: their autograph signings. Those are part of their packages that
Speaker 5: you come do a towards stadium or at the practice facility.
Speaker 6: So like it's all within that, and so.
Speaker 5: The tours itself isn't a big enough distraction to to
Speaker 5: equate to it not being a good brand on the
Speaker 5: football field. The environment in which you're around all day
Speaker 5: long makes you want to do more things outside of
Speaker 5: football that may take your time, energy and efforts away
Speaker 5: from the things that will help you on Sunday because
Speaker 5: you're looking around all day long. And and I remember
Speaker 5: Chris brought it up one time. I think it was like,
Speaker 5: what was it like fifty two dollars a ticket to go.
Speaker 4: On a tour cheap is just forty and it goes out.
Speaker 6: Forty the right depending on So you talking about.
Speaker 4: They make ten million in a year on tours.
Speaker 3: From the articles a.
Speaker 4: Star in the stadium combined, they make ten.
Speaker 5: Million, ten million dollars for people to walk through here.
Speaker 5: Like if I'm as a player, I'm like, I need
Speaker 5: to be in on that. I need I need some
Speaker 5: of that brand too. So I think, again, the tours
Speaker 5: itself doesn't equate to bad football. The fifty three brands
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 4: There's two quotes that kind of stood out to me.
Speaker 4: One was from Curse. I guess he's retired now, but
Speaker 4: jay Ron Curse, Yeah, he said, it's not a reason
Speaker 4: why we didn't get over the hump, But I just
Speaker 4: don't think it equates to winning. Like you said, they're
Speaker 4: getting the minds elsewhere. And then then Jordan Lewis pretty
Speaker 4: much said exactly what you did. He said, football players,
Speaker 4: we are some of the most mentally tough people in
Speaker 4: the world. Supposedly, you challenge a man's will every single snap.
Speaker 4: So if the tours are a problem for you, that's
Speaker 4: going to carry on in other aspects of your game.
Speaker 4: Like if you can't if you can't block that, you
Speaker 4: can't block out the tours and you can't and you
Speaker 4: can't focus on what you're doing during the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but again, the tours aren't from a player's perspective
Speaker 5: because this this didn't just happen. Even back when I
Speaker 5: was in Valley Ranch, there was always something going on.
Speaker 3: There's always a celebrity, there's always a v P rolling
Speaker 3: through the locker.
Speaker 6: Something's going on, you know.
Speaker 5: Ben Denucci was tweeting out about this this morning, like, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I was working out on a Tuesday morning and you know,
Speaker 5: people tapping the glass. I remember working out one Tuesday
Speaker 5: morning Tiger Woods walks in Tiger Tiger Woods and Tony
Speaker 5: Romo walk into the weight room to get a lift in.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, that's hard.
Speaker 5: Like literally, you're sitting I'm sitting on the ground with
Speaker 5: a group of us and we're doing avs and you
Speaker 5: look up and it's it's Tiger Woods, and you want,
Speaker 5: you know, you go back in the weight room and
Speaker 5: him and Tony he's he got he got three fifteen
Speaker 5: on the bitch bah Bo.
Speaker 6: You're like, let's take a look.
Speaker 3: Who's your who's your athlete? Because when you're in this
Speaker 3: environment so much, you just get numb to being around
Speaker 3: important people and athletes and celebrities. Is there anybody that
Speaker 3: you've actually kind of been like, all right, that's kind
Speaker 3: of cool, or.
Speaker 5: From the pro like pro and college. It was meeting
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan. Yeah, right, when Michael Jordan walked on the
Speaker 5: first I met him, we were in the wait, you know,
Speaker 5: oddly enough, he walked in and like you hear Reggie
Speaker 5: Miller talk about like they call him black Jesus.
Speaker 6: It felt I don't know what Jesus feels.
Speaker 5: Like when he walks into this aura, right, it felt
Speaker 5: like Jesus walked in the room like it like it
Speaker 5: the room changed, it changed for this eighteen year old,
Speaker 5: nineteen year old kid to watch Michael Jordan and however
Speaker 5: tall you think he is, when.
Speaker 6: He walks in the room, he's taller, he's taller, he's bigger,
Speaker 6: he's he's he's Goliath. It feels like.
Speaker 3: When he walked into the room and you're like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, that is a Michael Jordan.
Speaker 6: And so he's always been the one.
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, anybody, anybody after you were grown
Speaker 3: or in the league or anything that you met that
Speaker 3: you were like, not really starstruck, maybe starstruck, but at
Speaker 3: least like that's pretty cool. I'm glad I got to
Speaker 3: meet that person.
Speaker 6: I gotta think about it.
Speaker 5: I met so many people like that's another advantage of
Speaker 5: being a Dallas Cowboy. You know, whether you're here, whether
Speaker 5: you're away, there's a group of people that come together
Speaker 5: and you get a chance to be around those people.
Speaker 6: I gotta think about it, man, think about the break going.
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Speaker 3: That Derek, what's this all about? That text would come
Speaker 3: so quick when telling you say, hey, stop out after
Speaker 3: the show, I'll stopped by before. No, no, no, no, Well
Speaker 3: I'm not getting fired because he's let me actually go
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Speaker 6: That's a football protocol practice. Do the world cut you afterwards,
Speaker 6: get a full day's word. I don't want you to
Speaker 6: be distracted before I fire.
Speaker 3: You go ahead and get what done to get done.
Speaker 5: Shut out to Derek, and that text will coach so quick.
Speaker 5: But I remember talking about Sideway. He'll do it, so
Speaker 5: so tell me about oh.
Speaker 3: Derek still, Oh he is the most my I would
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Speaker 3: he was like national or state debate champ at University
Speaker 3: of Texas and his negotiating skills and the way that
Speaker 3: he can let you manipulate yourself without you tell yourself.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, like.
Speaker 3: With a few words, he can get exactly what he
Speaker 3: and I used to walk out of his off sometimes
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Speaker 5: Standing on the table for the he'll he'll have you
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Speaker 3: And if for him, you know, you stumping when he goes,
Speaker 3: you know what, that's that's a good point. You know,
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Speaker 11: But talking about I just looked up debate champions U
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Speaker 11: for a Lincoln Lincoln Douglas debate, Derek.
Speaker 3: H School there you go, Yeah, you're not You're not winning.
Speaker 6: You ain't winning that, bro, Bro, you take your punishment.
Speaker 3: That is a that is a good skill set to
Speaker 3: have as an executive. How to he's so calm to
Speaker 3: very diplomatic, doesn't yell, doesn't you know, doesn't use foul language,
Speaker 3: and just you leave it his off and you're like, damn,
Speaker 3: he got me. He's good.
Speaker 6: He's good.
Speaker 3: I looked up and finished second. The first in finished
Speaker 3: second is now a lawyer in Houston, SUH. Speaking of
Speaker 3: sideline access, that's another thing that that could be known
Speaker 3: as a distraction, that is a destruction on game day.
Speaker 3: Distraction people they I know they've over the years they
Speaker 3: called that back, especially after you know, starting with COVID.
Speaker 3: But we were the original. The Cowboys were the original.
Speaker 3: I guess had the original influencer program before social media.
Speaker 3: Because Jerry coming down there, he would have, you know,
Speaker 3: Chris Christy, the Governor of New York would be you know,
Speaker 3: Jersey on the sideline and you look, there's the undertaker
Speaker 3: and there's this person and you know, now yeah, now,
Speaker 3: you know that was while there was social media, but
Speaker 3: even before social media, those people were coming to games
Speaker 3: and coming down. And you know, now it's people want
Speaker 3: people to come down, right, Like all you see all
Speaker 3: the teams are putting on their social channels, they're doing
Speaker 3: content with them. But the cowboys were like the low
Speaker 3: key like you would just look up and it would
Speaker 3: be like, oh wow, that's the president. That's the former
Speaker 3: president over there with like yeah, no big deal. Like
Speaker 3: now you kind of know, like you would hear if
Speaker 3: Lebron was coming, you would hear if Connor McGregor was coming.
Speaker 3: But back then you would just look up and it
Speaker 3: be like, oh wow, that's that's the guy from John
Speaker 3: Burtnall from the Punisher series that no one has a
Speaker 3: clue who he is. He's a Washington fan and he's
Speaker 3: in his commander's jersey and you have to actually be
Speaker 3: looking for him to realize that he's, you know, part
Speaker 3: of the crowd that's always been around. And that's actually
Speaker 3: I imagine as a player, that's a cool thing too,
Speaker 3: is like looking up during warm ups and it's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's the Undertaker, Like I have to
Speaker 3: go say hi. Like but you also need to be
Speaker 3: warming up what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That's a part too.
Speaker 5: You know, you look up, you're like that, Pam Anderson,
Speaker 5: is that Yeah that you know what I'm saying. Maybe
Speaker 5: some hot chicks over there.
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean let.
Speaker 6: Me let me lock it. Yeah, no that that can
Speaker 6: be a distraction at times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, but hey, all part of the entertainment.
Speaker 6: I remember when Connor McGregor was here like that, like pre.
Speaker 3: Game, cannot throw a football, by the way, cannot cannot
Speaker 3: throw a punch.
Speaker 5: Then like that game, guys, I got like an interception
Speaker 5: or turnover and everybody so like that happened because before
Speaker 5: the game, right, But you know that's how people feel
Speaker 5: about Jerry. He's doing the pregame, you know, face off
Speaker 5: with Jake Paul and then we go and.
Speaker 3: Get outside of football. They're selling it because it's at
Speaker 3: the stadium, and that's I guess that's the perception of
Speaker 3: it's not about football it you know when you kick
Speaker 3: off all that stuff secondary. So yeah, yeah, man, we
Speaker 3: basically wasted another segment of non football stuff. Let's get
Speaker 3: into some football before we take a break.
Speaker 6: We can talk about their defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll just talk about let's just talk about their
Speaker 3: deep We know they're listen. There's not a whole lot
Speaker 3: to say about our offense. We've had two weeks to
Speaker 3: sit on it, and I think we talk about it daily.
Speaker 3: The offensive line is not really good right now.
Speaker 5: But I am interested offensive line wise, I'm interested, and
Speaker 5: and I'll monitor, but not monitor, but monitor, as Jerry.
Speaker 3: Would say, that's very Jerry speak.
Speaker 5: That's what he said, We monitor, will not monitor, but monitor.
Speaker 6: Going forward. Who was going to be your.
Speaker 3: Left hand long term? This has been there's been a
Speaker 3: little kind of you know, murmur, this is our guy.
Speaker 3: We're sticking with him, and now you just starting to
Speaker 3: hear a little.
Speaker 4: You think so man, first round pick. I figured they
Speaker 4: just keep running them out there.
Speaker 5: But then it because if you think back to the
Speaker 5: Detroit game, he was a healthy scratch.
Speaker 6: He didn't show up on the injury port.
Speaker 4: Are you sure? I thought he wasn't on the injury port,
Speaker 4: but I thought he wasn't totally ready or something.
Speaker 3: The injury that's what they said. They said he wasn't
Speaker 3: quite ready to go, but he was dressed.
Speaker 5: It wasn't it wasn't a limited it wasn't a rest
Speaker 5: day like nothing.
Speaker 3: Didn't he dress? Did he dress that game?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeahs so you're healthy enough to dress.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Like, and like you can at least say, oh, limited
Speaker 5: in practice or you know, rest day or whatever.
Speaker 6: There was.
Speaker 5: There was no declaration of anything for him in that week,
Speaker 5: so everyone thought, myself included all right, you're going back
Speaker 5: to And so now there's been a little bit of
Speaker 5: kind of it.
Speaker 3: WHI Yeah, it's good Nate's not on the show today
Speaker 3: because he would he would dominate this because we know
Speaker 3: how he feels. Let them, let them play, let him
Speaker 3: play all the reps he can get, let him play.
Speaker 3: But you're the point right now where you can steal, salvage,
Speaker 3: salvage I mean, there's not a lot to salvage. What
Speaker 3: three and three?
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of season left.
Speaker 3: I would almost go, hey, let's let's put our best
Speaker 3: five out there. Let's sacrifice the reps right now until
Speaker 3: we get to a point where we feel like.
Speaker 6: See that is the We're done. This is the This
Speaker 6: is the debate that I have. Is that the best five?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Because it's bass better than.
Speaker 5: He's not, Like I said, they not got it, but
Speaker 5: like is because Tyler Smith at left guard is the
Speaker 5: first team All Pro right.
Speaker 3: At left tackle.
Speaker 5: At left tackle, he's average, He's okay. So then I
Speaker 5: don't want to put this.
Speaker 3: T J.
Speaker 5: Bass to Tyler Smith is like this, and in terms
Speaker 5: of skill set and domination and grading, but Tyler Smith
Speaker 5: to Tyler Geiton might be like this.
Speaker 6: So it's like, is that the best five?
Speaker 5: Or putting Tyler Smith back at left guard Tyler Tyler
Speaker 5: Guyton back at left tackle. And now I'm scheming, I'm helping,
Speaker 5: I'm chipping. So yeah, it's easy to help there. But
Speaker 5: at least I know that I don't have a hole
Speaker 5: anymore with Tyler Smith at left guard. And that also
Speaker 5: helps out Cooper Bebie because to his left and to
Speaker 5: his right he has Pro bowlers right, so he information wise,
Speaker 5: help wise, twist wise, all those things. He's he's better
Speaker 5: suited to have the help there because of the two
Speaker 5: players that are beside him. And for Dak, the one
Speaker 5: place that you want to make sure is protect it
Speaker 5: is that and it's not just Dak as any quarterback.
Speaker 5: No quarterback wants to get the rush coming right down
Speaker 5: the middle, like I can deal with it from the side,
Speaker 5: can step up, I can manipulate it. But if it's
Speaker 5: coming right down the pike, then I'm I'm screwed. So again,
Speaker 5: that's the conversation, is the is Tyler Smith that left
Speaker 5: tackle TJ Bass that left guard the best five? Or
Speaker 5: is Guiding that left tackle Tyler Smith that left guard
Speaker 5: the best five? Yeah, that's asked that, And that's what
Speaker 5: I'm I'm I'm there to me.
Speaker 3: And and and even if it's kind of if you're
Speaker 3: having to think about it that hard, it's probably best
Speaker 3: to let guid and go to get the reps because
Speaker 3: you're you're kind of killing two birds with one stone.
Speaker 5: And then then I also fall into that same argument.
Speaker 5: Is and and I'll argue with Nate about this all
Speaker 5: the time. Is you know Nate says, let him get
Speaker 5: the reps, he'll get better. Well not necessarily, like more
Speaker 5: reps don't mean you get better.
Speaker 3: But if you're gonna get better, you're only gonna get
Speaker 3: better with the ring reps, correct, right, Which, if you
Speaker 3: think about Tyler Smith's rookie year at this point in
Speaker 3: the season, he might not be struggling as bad as Guiding,
Speaker 3: but you know, the jury was kind of still out.
Speaker 3: Is he going to progress and then as he played
Speaker 3: more and got more reps, he turned into what's probably
Speaker 3: gonna be.
Speaker 4: A Pro Bowl inside the guard.
Speaker 3: So well that too. It's a very interesting. There's so
Speaker 3: much broken on this team. I'm curious how this place
Speaker 3: all right. Well, that's it for the Cowboys offense. Tone
Speaker 3: for the next segment, and we'll go. We'll dedicate it
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Speaker 3: get into uh forty nine. Let me say this defense.
Speaker 6: Just just and Chris brought to some of my attention.
Speaker 5: And I want to make sure Tyler Goton was on
Speaker 5: the injury report, but he was full all week. I
Speaker 5: don't want to I don't want that to come off
Speaker 5: as with the knee, right, yeah, with the knee. Thanks
Speaker 5: for the fact check there, Chris, Appreciate you.
Speaker 7: Brother.
Speaker 3: Don't want us being pulled off YouTube for misinformation.
Speaker 5: I definitely don't want to get that. Derek text hey, Jessic,
Speaker 5: tell office and talk to you about something.
Speaker 3: Uh So, Jesse, You've let it be known in past
Speaker 3: shows in past years that you think Fred Warner's probably
Speaker 3: the best linebacker in the league. You still is he
Speaker 3: still got it?
Speaker 5: If I die and I get to Heaven and Jesus says.
Speaker 3: He come back as a linebacker. You can come back,
Speaker 3: but only as a football player.
Speaker 6: Who do you want to create as a general?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 5: Fred Warner is poetry emotional Wow, Like he really is,
Speaker 5: Like I I truly enjoy watching.
Speaker 3: What is it you like about his game?
Speaker 5: I love he is so knowledgeable, like you can like
Speaker 5: the way that he directs traffic, the way that he
Speaker 5: gets through He's he I mean, he's a good tackler,
Speaker 5: he's a good cover. I mean he's a green doc
Speaker 5: guy like he is just everywhere on the football field.
Speaker 6: I love watching. I'm a huge and I'm an offensive guy.
Speaker 5: But to watch if you, if you're a football person,
Speaker 5: you enjoy watching like I like ray Lewis right, Like
Speaker 5: I wasn't really into like studying other guys as I
Speaker 5: was coming up. You study your opponents. You have to play,
Speaker 5: But you know, I didn't get into studying ray Lewis.
Speaker 5: But I'm sure if you went back and you watched
Speaker 5: Ray Lewis, you probably would. Those who watched it at
Speaker 5: that time thought he probably was you know that guy,
Speaker 5: he was that guy.
Speaker 6: But Fred is just so good man.
Speaker 3: He's he's a number one ranked linebacker right now. That's actually.
Speaker 3: I've seen him on a couple of interviews and I
Speaker 3: really enjoyed listening to him talk. He's such a good football.
Speaker 3: He's smooth too. He's yeah.
Speaker 5: But about this defense, you're looking at a four to
Speaker 5: three defense from the Niners. Now, this is to me.
Speaker 5: You know, a computer you may have, you may be
Speaker 5: on the computer. You may be on the home computer.
Speaker 5: You might be right Troy Vincent and company. They may
Speaker 5: be up there in the New York offices and they
Speaker 5: may have it out for the Cowboys, because I'll be
Speaker 5: damn it, we don't have another top.
Speaker 6: Pass rusher that we got to deal with this week.
Speaker 6: I feel like we've seen them all, Like, right, we've
Speaker 6: seen We're not we're not about to.
Speaker 3: See the top pass rushers so far, and then we're.
Speaker 6: About to see Nick Bosa.
Speaker 5: We've seen Aiden Hutchison for half, we've seen Miles Garrett,
Speaker 5: we've seen some of like we've seen some of the
Speaker 5: best pass rushers the game.
Speaker 11: T J.
Speaker 5: Watton in uh In Pittsburgh, We've seen some of the
Speaker 5: best at the game has has to offer.
Speaker 4: The top of this Pro Football Focus. Number one is Hutcheson.
Speaker 4: Two is Watt, Pittsburgh saw him. Three is Mac haven't
Speaker 4: seen him in Garrett's fourth Cleveland Bosa coming up fifth,
Speaker 4: Herberg with Pittsburgh's six.
Speaker 3: Six of the top seven. Computer, we've only played six games.
Speaker 6: Computer. You might be on or something. Brother, I might
Speaker 6: let you back off for a call. Your theory might
Speaker 6: be coming true.
Speaker 5: But the Cowboys facing another top pass rusher in uh
Speaker 5: In Nick Bosa. This defense is a little bit different
Speaker 5: than the defense the defenses of the Niners past, and
Speaker 5: the reason being to me, this is like their third
Speaker 5: defensive coordinator, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean, Like like they keep getting they
Speaker 6: keep getting hired.
Speaker 5: All the defense quarterings keep going to other places and
Speaker 5: getting hired, and so h the precision isn't there. They
Speaker 5: give up some plays. Now, what the Cowboys have to
Speaker 5: be able to do is identify when that play is
Speaker 5: given up and hit it.
Speaker 6: They give up some players in the secondary. You watch
Speaker 6: all of their.
Speaker 5: Games and at least two times, maybe three, depending on
Speaker 5: who they're playing. A guy's running Scott Free and some
Speaker 5: of the games they've hit him. And some of the
Speaker 5: games I remember I was watching Seattle and DJ Metcalf.
Speaker 5: Someone didn't pick him up and he's running straight down
Speaker 5: the middle of the field. Gen late getting the ball
Speaker 5: to him incomplete would have been a touchdown. Chang's the
Speaker 5: outcome of the game. You know that game was a
Speaker 5: wonkye game. Another play against the Cardinals, Kyler Murdy, Kyler
Speaker 5: Murray RPOs comes around the backside of of the of
Speaker 5: the defense. Nobody's there to play him. Nobody, like, I mean,
Speaker 5: nobody's there. Like he's pointing, he's celebrating seven yards.
Speaker 3: Into this run. Oh yeah, at the like the fifty
Speaker 3: or the forty. Yeah I saw that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's like this, he's like celebrating and nobody covered him.
Speaker 5: So there's there's a there's a number of plays like
Speaker 5: that that you're watching this game where they're just as
Speaker 5: not as pristine as they used to be. And that
Speaker 5: could be just new coordinators all the time, new players
Speaker 5: and just trying to get everybody in play. I don't
Speaker 5: know if they'll have There was talks that they may
Speaker 5: have Drake Greenlaw back. He was the he was the
Speaker 5: ying uh to Fred Wannazang. He's been out for a
Speaker 5: while and so there's talks that he of course he
Speaker 5: wants to come back and play as the Cowboys, and
Speaker 5: talks that Drake Greenlaw may come back that will help
Speaker 5: their defense. They got a good pass stress up front.
Speaker 5: Belie Collins is over there, Leonard Floyd's over there. Of course,
Speaker 5: Nick Bosa. They they want to do some twists. The
Speaker 5: thing for the Cowboys when I watch the Niners, if
Speaker 5: you just line up, which a lot of times the
Speaker 5: Cowboys do, you're not gonna beat them.
Speaker 3: You're not.
Speaker 6: You're not You're not good enough to just line up.
Speaker 3: What do you have to do?
Speaker 5: You got a motion, you gotta move, You have to manipulate,
Speaker 5: you gotta I'm not so much all into trickery, but
Speaker 5: I think that's not that's not stustainable, right, But you
Speaker 5: need to have a little bit of that in there too,
Speaker 5: Like there needs to be something misdirection there, something they
Speaker 5: haven't seen before, just something that gets the moving right,
Speaker 5: something that gets guys that have to they have to
Speaker 5: pass it off, they have to cross each other, something
Speaker 5: where they're where their communication has to take on a
Speaker 5: sense of urgency.
Speaker 3: Or something where you have to make the defense think
Speaker 3: for maybe half a second policy to wait, I haven't
Speaker 3: seen this before.
Speaker 5: Right, Like, there was a play in the Seattle game
Speaker 5: where DK metcalf is is he's running a basic shallow
Speaker 5: cross right and h the other linebacker, Fred Warner is
Speaker 5: covering it. And then he passes it off to the
Speaker 5: middle linebacker or a middle linebacker. Is it ready for
Speaker 5: the pass off? And now two guys because Fred Wanner
Speaker 5: pass it off and goes and cover the back to
Speaker 5: his side. Well, that linebacker also went to cover the
Speaker 5: back to his side, didn't get the pass off. Dk
Speaker 5: mencals catch a small little dump off pass turns it
Speaker 5: up the field for a big game. You see a
Speaker 5: lot of times when you have to make them communicate
Speaker 5: through things that they missed the pass off, they missed
Speaker 5: the you got it now, or any of that type things.
Speaker 5: Or if you go in motion at the snap, If
Speaker 5: you're moving in motion at the snap, again, they have
Speaker 5: to do their recount. If you just line up, in
Speaker 5: my opinion, you're not good enough to beat this football
Speaker 5: team defensively. You're not good enough you cannot just think,
Speaker 5: now I'm gonna line up and not motion and not
Speaker 5: do changing direction and not do things after post snap,
Speaker 5: and you're gonna beat this defense. You're not good enough.
Speaker 5: Your players aren't good enough. And Kirby Joseph said this
Speaker 5: a week or so ago with the H with Detroit.
Speaker 5: He said, we're gonna we double Lamb and we're gonna
Speaker 5: we're gonna live with everybody else. What he said he said,
Speaker 5: he said, our game plan was, we're gonna double eighty
Speaker 5: eight and make and and we'll deal with anybody else.
Speaker 6: They're good enough to single up.
Speaker 4: Eighty eighth forty nine. A.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're good enough.
Speaker 5: If you doubt he'll make some plays, but they're good
Speaker 5: enough to say, hey, we'll sen him cover them and
Speaker 5: we'll just dominate somewhere else. H. You gotta make those
Speaker 5: guys and then the and and then they decide to
Speaker 5: go ahead and double him.
Speaker 6: Meaning CD. Yeah, the other guys have to make plays.
Speaker 5: But this is where this is where Michael from Pittsburgh
Speaker 5: has to step up in this particular particular game. You
Speaker 5: gotta give guys some other options.
Speaker 6: What what you have been doing.
Speaker 5: This defense will eat you alive. If you just line
Speaker 5: up and if they don't change hit, it's today's Wednesday. Yes,
Speaker 5: I'm predicting. I'm predicting. If you run either those double
Speaker 5: slants or you run those simple little why option routes,
Speaker 5: Fred Warner.
Speaker 6: Is gonna in accept the football. I'm telling you.
Speaker 5: He's too good at diagnosing, he is too good at
Speaker 5: reading reaction. And if you throw the same route underneath,
Speaker 5: he's gonna pick it off. Either he's gonna pick it off,
Speaker 5: or he's gonna get his hand in there and tip
Speaker 5: it up and someone else is gonna pick it off.
Speaker 5: I'm predicting that on Wednesday. I saw many games where
Speaker 5: he was so close to getting them and the cow
Speaker 5: And that's why I'm saying, like, you gotta do something
Speaker 5: different than what you've done, because everything you've done has
Speaker 5: been absolutely predictable. And guys like Fred Warner, guys like
Speaker 5: this De's on this defense and around Fred Warner, especially
Speaker 5: if he gets Drake Greenlaw back, can't be predictable.
Speaker 4: Which said they said yesterday they won't.
Speaker 5: They won't have him back. Okay, well that's a plus.
Speaker 5: That's a plus. That's a plus for the caw.
Speaker 3: Remember he tore his Achilles in the Super Bowl in February. Yeap,
Speaker 3: non contact right, yeah.
Speaker 5: And uh and so yeah, I mean this is a
Speaker 5: this is a good football team. We know that they're
Speaker 5: banged up a lot offensively. They lost one of their
Speaker 5: starting corners or starting safeties to a.
Speaker 6: Tibia phibia broken tibia phibia a week or so ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's eric cast he was out of there. But
Speaker 5: the Cowboys can't be predictable.
Speaker 3: So we'll leave you with a As we ride off
Speaker 3: into the sunset today, we'll leave you the stat that
Speaker 3: will make you feel better about this. Uh, San Fran
Speaker 3: defense and Cowboys offense. San Fran is tied for third
Speaker 3: and the most take for the most takeaways in the
Speaker 3: league with thirteen. Dallas is tied for four in most
Speaker 3: turnovers with eleven. So there you go. That should be
Speaker 3: a great matchup. Kurt, thank you for the stats. Jesse,
Speaker 3: thanks for the stuff. Nate, we missed you. Hopefully we
Speaker 3: see you tomorrow. Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air.
Speaker 3: Josh Jass, thanks for keeping him company. We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 3: My Friday, Mine and Nate's Friday. What are y'all gonna do?
Speaker 3: Are y'all gonna bring in a special guest.
Speaker 6: Chicken and chicken. We definitely chicken.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have a special guest. Chris, you're working on that.
Speaker 4: What are we doing?
Speaker 3: Were working on that? All right? Working on that. Tune
Speaker 3: in tomorrow to see who the special guest is Little
Speaker 3: Friday or not? Oh computer, whoop up on that punching bag.
Speaker 3: Get ready for Friday.
Speaker 6: I forgot about that video. You're not getting on out.
Speaker 3: We will be back tomorrow. Hey, you with the boys.
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