WEBVTT - Hangin’ with the ‘Boys: Keep Them Guessing 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.040 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:06.640 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:18.000 Cowboys blowing out of the backfield, exploding down the sidelines. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:22.720 This is Hanging with the Boys, presented by Wing Stuff 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.119 where flavor gets its wings. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.000 Now your hosts. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:31.400 Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:38.720 Gross Hobday listen live too, Hanging with the Boys. You're 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:44.240 looking live. Screwed that all up at Tostitos Championship Plaza 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.600 outside Fort Center at the Star in Frisco, Texas, where 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.240 it is eighty six in fair The Hi today is ninety. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:52.960 The load of night is sixty seven. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:01:00.360 Were missing a double dipper. I'm telling you our show 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.880 theme is will do things from money? Sir Nate is 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.319 the captain of that. Sir, I'll say I'm the co captain, 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.400 but Nate, He's it is the He is the president 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.360 El Presidente. Nate is not with us. It wouldn't be 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:20.440 a hump day without my boy Kurt. Two humps, three pumps, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:27.320 three pumps, two humps, Daniels and girls, Chris Beams keeping 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.319 up live a local on the back. I am Salt 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.440 and Pepper, Poppy together. We make hanging with the boys 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:38.920 the sports talk equivalent of brow people when we speak. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:40.520 Brought to you each and every day by a wing 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.080 stop where favorite gets. What you doing on this side, Kurt? 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.360 You decide to come over to the dark sid to 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.520 sit while you over here on the s where leaving 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:51.840 your boy over there on an island. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:53.240 They were trolling yesterday. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:54.040 I don't know. 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.160 They might have they might have teamed up, you know what. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.760 I thought about that later. Yeah, they need to go 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.640 to us. There ain't no way Mike's coming back. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.559 They said nine and eight and no playoffs. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:07.760 He stuck to it, man. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.200 He pulled everyone in the hall from here. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.280 He was trying to get some support he was. He 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:13.680 wasn't getting any he was. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.000 He looked defeated and we had to tell him. He 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.959 called me after the show after after he talked about 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.080 it eighty five times in the hall. He did not 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:23.000 know what trolling. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:23.560 He didn't. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.320 He thought trolling was when you hit the follow button 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.480 and following somebody on X. He thought that was trolling. 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.880 So he was like, well, Jesse said, you troll it. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:36.920 He's like, man, what are you talking about? So it 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.120 bothered him so bad he called me an hour after 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.959 the show, was like, Man, I learned something today that's. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.120 Hilarious, and it was so sincere. Like in the hallway, 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.720 he's like, He's like, man, I ain't know what trolling me. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.239 You said I was trolling in there. I ain't know 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.520 what you were talking about. Man, that's our guy. 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:57.000 Man, he got no support for nine and seven and 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.200 not winning a playoff. You gotta win a playoff game. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.799 But I can you know, I can see where he's 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.519 coming from, because if the season continues the way. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.880 It is, well, all the cards are stacked against him. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.440 Right, the injuries and the you know, and all this 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.919 that's happened, and you got I got a new defensive 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.079 coordinator and blah blah blah. But you gotta think the 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.799 person that's in charge of all these things that are 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.800 preventing you from winning more than nine games is also 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:31.800 the one that has you on a one year contract. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.240 That's like, but if. 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:37.320 It was just the injuries, yeah, if it was just injuries, 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:44.200 then that's different. If the losses were competitive, yes, right, 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:45.280 that's then it's different. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:45.960 Right. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:47.560 If we got to the end of this year and 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.600 we looked up and the Cowboys had eight losses, let's 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.080 just use Nate's numbers for example, they had eight losses 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:00.680 and all those losses was was within one four points, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.000 and you can attribute that to Boy, if we didn't 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:09.920 have a large majority of our roster in those situations, 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.840 then maybe because then you can say to yourself, wow, boy, 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.680 if we go into freeency really this time and go 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.000 all in and and really get this thing going, get 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.920 our guys back healthy, our younger players that he talked about, 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.800 Jerry talked about having struggles take the next step. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:28.600 We could have something. 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:36.120 But it's not just the injuries and what's not to 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.440 speak it into existence, But what's about to start happening 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.480 is you're about like the effort is already you're already 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:46.239 losing the effort battle. But now you're gonna start seeing 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:50.640 guys really turn you off. And that's the biggest part, 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.000 as I can't bring a guy back here next year 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.719 that they turned off. Yeah, if the players begin to 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.719 give off that vibe and it's and they don't have 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.680 to say say anything. You can walk into a room, 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.560 you can be in a space and you can see 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.400 when the energy's off, when guys don't when guys no 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.960 longer believe the things that you're saying. And that's the 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.720 biggest part about sometimes when you have to when you 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:18.839 have to fire coaches, is if you've lost the locker room, 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:23.440 if guys no longer and it's visible when I can 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.240 watch a game and I know certain guys and I 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:31.360 know certain attributes and attitudes and those aren't shining through, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:33.960 you've lost them. 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.719 All. When Wade Phillips got fired, we all saw that 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.479 last game, obviously on the field, but did you get 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.720 that sense leading up to it that there was already. 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.479 Yeah, because we felt it. You felt it. Guys begin 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:52.800 to feel it. Gods start now, guys start hunting for stats, 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.599 the yolo ball, the hero ball that we keep hearing 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.720 about like that, guys were doing more of that. It 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.680 was I'm not getting hurt, and this is the honest 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:06.760 to God truth. As the year went on, God started 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.040 saying to themselves, not to themselves, but openly about I 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:15.919 don't want to get hurt because if I get hurt 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.520 when this thing is all over, I can't leave, Like 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.560 I physically can't leave. I gotta stay here and do 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.880 treat man. I gotta stay here and do rehab. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.240 So Gods, that that was. That was a portion of it. 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.040 Those guys who had one year left, who's on one 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.080 year deals were saying, I can't get hurt because I 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:40.800 want to go into a free agency healthy. So God 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.960 start looking at at you know, those other gods were like, well, 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.719 i'm a I'm a I'm a buck the scheme and 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.359 try to go get a sack or go go you know, 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.760 or jump you know, jump routes or guess routes and 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.640 try to get an interception and you know, throw me 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.359 the ball and those type of things. That that was 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.000 the mentality because gods looked at the at the writing 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.200 on the wall and was saying, this won't be the 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.240 same next year, and I need to go get mine 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.000 to either be re signed here under the new coach 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.200 or give myself the ability to hit the free market 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.880 and be healthy and have some stats to go and say, hey, 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.880 give me a contract. And when you lose a locker 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:21.800 room like that, it just it makes it very difficult 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.080 too to bring a guy back to coach. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.240 Speaking in the locker room, you want to talk about 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.600 your big article on ESPN that you read. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.960 It's a big article. It's got a lot of buzz here. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.360 Today we've talked about it on the show before let's 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.120 get back into it a little bit before we get 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.680 into x's and o's. What was your article? 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.960 Well, ESPN ran a story today. They had a reporter 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.880 basically go on a tour or two of our facility. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:47.600 I think she came by our show. 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:49.640 It's probably one of the ones. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.240 Well, it sounds like at least once she came through 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.000 on a Saturday. But anyway, the story was about how 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.320 the tours and I guess to a larger degree, just 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.520 all of the stuff surrounding the Cowboys is distracting and 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.960 it's hurting the effort on the field. And so they 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:13.320 had quotes from former players, including some that went on 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:18.720 on on the record Jeron Curst or on Tomstrong Pollard 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.680 I think therom a Fowler saying that, yeah, you know 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.320 now that we're in this other team, it's all about 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.600 the football, and you don't feel like an animal on 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.080 a zoo with people coming by and staring and whispering 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.640 and all this kind of stuff. And so it's got 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.040 a lot of buzzs. Like I said today, people, it's 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.360 just kind of one more thing on the on the 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:46.240 stack of negative negativity surrounding the season and just it's 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.640 another reason people are pointing to and saying, oh, this 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.320 is another reason why the Cowboys. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.559 Aren't Nellos here. So I have an opinion on this. 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:58.160 Jesse does too. If you tell me that that that 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.280 a tour walking through this building affects how you perform 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.000 on game day, then you got a lot more issues 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:10.440 as a player than a tour walking through this building. Now, 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.839 what it does is it presents a perception, and they're right. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.440 Every the perception is right. This is an entertainment brand. 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.480 This is not a just a football brand. You go 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.640 to Pittsburgh, that's a football brand. You go to the game, 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.240 you hear a rock band on the plaza, and before 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.240 the game it shuts off, and if they lose, you 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.160 don't hear you don't hear music on the plaza. 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:32.400 Right. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.080 Our plaza is you don't know if we want or lost, right, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.120 because it's an entertainment brand. And Jerry will tell you 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:39.880 that he's here. He wants people to have a good 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.760 time when they come to the game, whether and. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.600 He was very open about it in this He's like, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.040 we're here to make money. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:50.960 Now, the perception as a player, you're going from the 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.600 lunch room to work out, and here comes a group 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.600 of thirty people walking through your your office. 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.240 You watch our show if you just watch this wa 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.800 go back here they come through it like right, the people, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:05.080 the people that walk by this window. On the other 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.679 side of this wall is a ceiling, the floor glass 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.000 that looks out where to the practice free right, that's 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.960 coming from. Where the lunch room, that's coming from, where 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.280 the locker room, the meeting room, the training room, the 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.240 weight room area. So when y'all see those people that 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.760 we stopped and we go hey, y'all, hey, they are 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:26.200 either coming from or headed to the areas where all 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:27.240 the players dwell. 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.080 And if you happen to be going through at a 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.319 time where they're in transition, you get to see those players. Yep, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.720 you get to see the coaches. So the flip side 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.160 to that is, if you if you have often asked yourself, 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.040 like I'm sure a lot of our fans do, you 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:48.160 haven't won a championship in thirty years, how do you 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:49.280 stay so relevant? 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:50.240 There? 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.960 You go access, You get access here like you get 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.640 nowhere else. You can't walk through. You couldn't up until 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.360 a few years ago, you couldn't go out on the 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.960 playing surface of another ball field because that's where they 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.360 play football. Now everybody's doing everybody's given tours of Now 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.000 you even do it on grass fields now, like at 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.120 the Rose Bowl and stuff where they give tours. Because 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.560 one it's it's opens up access to fans and let 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:16.240 you get that extra connection. You know, it's a revenue generator. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.320 There's always going to be these things because Jerry. Jerry's 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.440 into making money. Jerry likes to make money right, and 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.320 he also likes to expose fans to things that you 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.400 can't necessarily. The Cowboys Club you can. You can go 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.840 join the Cowboys Club for a small field and it's 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.160 like a country club without a golf course. Your golf 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.640 course is the practice field. You bring clients up there, 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.120 you have lunch, you go out, smoke cigars on the patio, 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.960 and you watch the Cowboys practice. Where who else is 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.640 doing that in pro sports? Now? Guess what they're starting 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.800 to do that with the Spurs down in San Antonio. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.160 They have a club there. There's other clubs that are 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:52.679 popping up. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.480 But sidebar if you think Bill Belichick is coming here 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.599 and fools get to go out on that rooftop and 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.120 smoke cigar while he practicing. I'm telling y'all, y'all got 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:04.160 another thing coming. 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.520 Back to you would have unlike at and T Stadium, 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.439 he would have black curtains on those windows during. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:12.240 That. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.120 That's just part of it, man, That's what But does 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.720 it affect the football? Is this brand all about football? 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:18.920 One? 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:24.800 It's about entertainment? Right? Does it affect Sundays and Thursdays 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:26.640 and whatever days we play on? 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:26.960 Now? 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.880 I find it hard to believe if you're a professional 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.160 athlete that that distracts you. Is it? Is it a 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.400 talking point where you can say, yeah, I felt like 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.080 a cage's animal on a zoo. Is it gonna affect 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.960 how many reps you get in, or how much you 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.360 can deadlift or what you do on some I find 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:42.680 that very hard to believe. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.920 And I agree with you one thousand percent. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.440 If that is your means of distraction, then football is 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.920 not your thing, not at the pro level. But what 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:58.120 it opens up is we talked, you mentioned it. You 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.600 said this is an intertain. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:02.240 Space. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.120 So if I'm dwelling in this space and I'm seeing 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.800 the revenue generated in this space, well I get my 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.320 business back too, And now I start wanting to do 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.200 this this where the fifty three brands come into play. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:22.920 That affects what you do on Sunday, That affects your 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.760 attention span throughout the work because. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.840 You see these things and you realize this is I 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.680 can capitalize on this too, right. 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.439 And honestly, like depending on the mood or the year, whatever, 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.600 Jerry wants you to get that kind of business. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.559 Like we've seen the way. 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.800 The stuff with Jalen, right, Like we've seen. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.280 The way that it has helped other people grow businesses 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.080 and other people be able to profit off those things 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.439 off there. You know, they're not college, but their name 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.960 likeness and the name image and likeness on the pro level. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.600 But you are in this building and you're seeing how 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:04.559 things are done in this building. It breeds entrepreneurs entrepreneurship, 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.920 and so guys want to go out now and be 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.880 a part of that. I know, I know that there's 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:15.959 some uh uh, you know companies throughout this area that 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:18.600 they you know, hire players to come out and do 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.160 their autograph signings. Those are part of their packages that 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.480 you come do a towards stadium or at the practice facility. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.400 So like it's all within that, and so. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:35.880 The tours itself isn't a big enough distraction to to 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.800 equate to it not being a good brand on the 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:45.160 football field. The environment in which you're around all day 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:49.360 long makes you want to do more things outside of 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.320 football that may take your time, energy and efforts away 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.120 from the things that will help you on Sunday because 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.520 you're looking around all day long. And and I remember 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.360 Chris brought it up one time. I think it was like, 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.840 what was it like fifty two dollars a ticket to go. 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.280 On a tour cheap is just forty and it goes out. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.480 Forty the right depending on So you talking about. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.240 They make ten million in a year on tours. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:11.960 From the articles a. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.280 Star in the stadium combined, they make ten. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:18.280 Million, ten million dollars for people to walk through here. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.400 Like if I'm as a player, I'm like, I need 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.560 to be in on that. I need I need some 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.880 of that brand too. So I think, again, the tours 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:34.000 itself doesn't equate to bad football. The fifty three brands 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:35.240 do that. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.600 There's two quotes that kind of stood out to me. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.280 One was from Curse. I guess he's retired now, but 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.840 jay Ron Curse, Yeah, he said, it's not a reason 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.280 why we didn't get over the hump, But I just 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.040 don't think it equates to winning. Like you said, they're 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.160 getting the minds elsewhere. And then then Jordan Lewis pretty 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.400 much said exactly what you did. He said, football players, 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.520 we are some of the most mentally tough people in 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.840 the world. Supposedly, you challenge a man's will every single snap. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:04.000 So if the tours are a problem for you, that's 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.560 going to carry on in other aspects of your game. 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.000 Like if you can't if you can't block that, you 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.360 can't block out the tours and you can't and you 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.120 can't focus on what you're doing during the game. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:18.239 Yeah, but again, the tours aren't from a player's perspective 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.560 because this this didn't just happen. Even back when I 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.240 was in Valley Ranch, there was always something going on. 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:28.040 There's always a celebrity, there's always a v P rolling 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:28.680 through the locker. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:30.000 Something's going on, you know. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.440 Ben Denucci was tweeting out about this this morning, like, Yeah, 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.520 I was working out on a Tuesday morning and you know, 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.960 people tapping the glass. I remember working out one Tuesday 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:42.080 morning Tiger Woods walks in Tiger Tiger Woods and Tony 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.280 Romo walk into the weight room to get a lift in. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.640 You know what I'm saying, Like, that's hard. 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.400 Like literally, you're sitting I'm sitting on the ground with 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.880 a group of us and we're doing avs and you 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.400 look up and it's it's Tiger Woods, and you want, 0:16:58.400 --> 0:16:59.680 you know, you go back in the weight room and 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.280 him and Tony he's he got he got three fifteen 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:03.320 on the bitch bah Bo. 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.080 You're like, let's take a look. 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.320 Who's your who's your athlete? Because when you're in this 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.600 environment so much, you just get numb to being around 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.560 important people and athletes and celebrities. Is there anybody that 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.000 you've actually kind of been like, all right, that's kind 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.040 of cool, or. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.359 From the pro like pro and college. It was meeting 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.600 Michael Jordan. Yeah, right, when Michael Jordan walked on the 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.280 first I met him, we were in the wait, you know, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.320 oddly enough, he walked in and like you hear Reggie 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.200 Miller talk about like they call him black Jesus. 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.840 It felt I don't know what Jesus feels. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.000 Like when he walks into this aura, right, it felt 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.359 like Jesus walked in the room like it like it 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:44.800 the room changed, it changed for this eighteen year old, 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:50.000 nineteen year old kid to watch Michael Jordan and however 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.680 tall you think he is, when. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.600 He walks in the room, he's taller, he's taller, he's bigger, 0:17:55.640 --> 0:18:01.280 he's he's he's Goliath. 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