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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: the production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. The search is

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Speaker 1: on for Lois Reese, who has left a trail a

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Speaker 1: mile yye. All she needs now is a new driver's

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace? This is Killers amongst Us the death of

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Speaker 1: Pamela Hutchinson, found basically her medically sealed in the bathroom

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Speaker 1: there at her resort condo and leaving caught on video surveillance.

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Speaker 1: Is Lois Reese actually wearing Pam's hat. The two met

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Speaker 1: at a local oyster bar. At the bar, hit it off,

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Speaker 1: and the next thing you know, Hutchinson allows her to

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Speaker 1: tell you why. She wanted to be free. She wanted

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Speaker 1: to gamble, and she needs somebody else's money to do it.

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Speaker 1: That's why all she needs now is a new driver's

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Speaker 1: license and somebody's car. Take a listen to Dave Mack

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot com. Where is Lois Reese? Lois Reese

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Speaker 1: was in Texas less than a week after she befriended

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota woman was making a new friend, just like Hutchinson,

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Speaker 1: at a restaurant, Liam's in South Padre Island. You know

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Speaker 1: a very special guest, special in so many ways, not

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Speaker 1: just because of her persona, her personality, but because she

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Speaker 1: how did you meet Lois Reese? I met her at

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Speaker 1: Liam's restaurant one evening. I was at the bar and

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Speaker 1: a conversation, so we talked. She said that back to Florida.

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Speaker 1: there for property. She said that she was speaking for

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Speaker 1: to gree properly. So we just had a big conversation

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Speaker 1: let me understand this. Okay, you're at Liam's Did you

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Speaker 1: bar in the restaurant, just like Pam Hutchinson, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: Are you hearing this? He has a clear m o. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: This is how she operates and working Again. You scour

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Speaker 1: course you're going to be overly friendly. That's when people's

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Speaker 1: defenses go down. Just like a lot of child molesters,

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Speaker 1: to who I believe to be Lois Reese's next intended

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Speaker 1: murder victim. I'll call her Jane. Jane, what color is

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Speaker 1: I guess. Jose Scott Morgan and ashi Willcotter hat still

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Speaker 1: But we know Lois Reeese have been changing her hair

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Speaker 1: telling you, Nancy, this woman at her chosen profession was

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Speaker 1: saved Jane's life. That was the alias she used in Florida.

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Speaker 1: And I said you had a name? She called herself Donna.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Tess Coster and test knew Reese in

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