1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Odd Couple podcasts. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Be sure to check us out live every weekday from 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: four to seven pm Pacific seven to ten pm Eastern 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio dot Com, or stream 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: us every day on the iHeartRadio by searching FSR. 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple. 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 3: By this time next week, we will have a new champion. 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: We will have a new member of the Rings Club 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 3: in basketball history. Rings culture, of course, has been pervasive 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: throughout sports media for about a decade at least, maybe 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 3: even longer than that, and Lebron James, in the latest 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 3: episode of The Mind the Game podcast with Steve Nash, 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: was taking some listener questions on the show. One of 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: them was, Hey, Lebron, you got four rings, why don't 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: you tell us your thoughts on rings culture? 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 4: Take a listen? 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 5: Funny. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why I've 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 5: discussed so much in our sport and why is all 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 5: be all of everything? You can sit here and you 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 5: tell me, you know, Alan Iverson and Charles Barkley and 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 5: Steve Nash, you know, you know, wasn't unbelievable, Like, oh, 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 5: they can't be talked about or discussed with these guys 24 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 5: is because this guy won one ring or won two 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 5: rings or one like it's just it's just weird to me. 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 5: It's like Sam Peyton Manning can't be in the same 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 5: room with Brady or Mahomes because he only has one ring. 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 5: They don't never discuss that in the sport or telling 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 5: me that Dan Marino is not the greatest slinger of 30 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 5: all time, or he can't be in the room with 31 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 5: those guys because he didn't win a championship. They don't 32 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 5: discuss those things. 33 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 6: Once again, if he had enough rings to be considered 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 6: the greatest, it would be. 35 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 4: Okay, this is a typical Lebron. 36 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 6: He doesn't feel like he's going to get there and 37 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 6: that's going to be held against him, so now he's 38 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 6: going to down play the ring. If it wasn't about that, Lebron, 39 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 6: and if Steve Nash had any kind of us okay, no, 40 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 6: if he had anything, then I would have said, Lebron, 41 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 6: why did you leave Cleveland and go to Miami chasing rings? 42 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 4: You're the one who did it. You're the one away 43 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 4: who ran away. 44 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 6: You're the one who put together a super team so 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 6: that you could win rings. 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 4: You would have wanted to were afraid not to win. 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 6: A championship as great as you were as a player. 48 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 6: That's right now he's saying, and he's talking about being 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 6: a great winning rings because that's what he wanted to win. 50 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 6: Such a phony. I'm so tired of hearing this. On 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 6: one hand, he talking about I don't know what we 52 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 6: talking about rings or whatever. He's the one, Calvin that 53 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 6: wasn't somebody imitating him. He's the one talking up about 54 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 6: seven rings. He's the one who left Cleveland's hometown and 55 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 6: went to go chase rings in Miami. 56 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 4: He's one who keeps leaving and came. 57 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 6: To LA to chase rings because he looked at Michael Jordan. 58 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 6: And if you look at Michael Jordan's career and you 59 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 6: think it's just about rings, got you're mistaken. Michael Jordan 60 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 6: was a great player, led the league in score in 61 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 6: ten times. I could go over and over the all 62 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 6: time leading scorer in the postseason. 63 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 4: It was more than just a six rings. This whole notion. 64 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 6: And if Steve Nash had anything, he could have said, 65 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 6: you know, Lebron Payton did win two championship. Well Payne 66 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 6: only got one exactly. But my point is this is 67 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 6: total garbage on Lebron's. 68 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 4: Point on part the. 69 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 6: Only reason if Lebron had eight or ten rings, you 70 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 6: think he would be talking about the number of rings 71 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 6: people counting. 72 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: Of course he would not. Such a phony. 73 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 6: I'm so tired of hearing guys make an excuse when 74 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 6: it doesn't fit their narrative. He has to be able 75 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 6: to talk about longevity and all this other stuff to 76 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 6: be able to beget sit a great It's not that 77 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 6: you have to win a ring to be great. Okay, 78 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 6: you can be a great player. I'll sit here and 79 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 6: tell you Charles Walkley was a great player. Steve Nash 80 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 6: won two MVPs. No one's gonna say he won't a 81 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 6: great player in the NBA. 82 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 4: But when you talk. 83 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 6: About the greatest of all time, I don't know if 84 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 6: anybody who's the greatest of anything who didn't win at 85 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 6: some point in their life. 86 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 4: Dan Marino was a hell of a quarterback. 87 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 6: I'm a city here and tell you he's the best 88 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 6: quarterback ever and he never won. Come on, man, nobody, 89 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 6: how many times you have to bring up Marv Levy. 90 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 6: He went the four straight Super Bowls of the coach 91 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 6: three four. Not one time I've ever heard anybody say 92 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 6: Marv Levy's the greatest coach in NFL history. 93 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 4: You know why, because he didn't win. 94 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 6: That's why we keep score, That's why we hand out trophies. 95 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 6: It does matter. Stop trying to say that winning doesn't matter. 96 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 6: It does matter. When you're talking about putting somebody ahead 97 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 6: of everybody in saying they're the greatest that ever did something, 98 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 6: that's all I'm saying. 99 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: I actually, I actually agree with that last statement. I 100 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: think when you're talking about the pantheons, right, I got 101 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: I gotta start to nitpick Lebron a Kobe Kree, I 102 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: gotta start bringing those things up. 103 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 4: But I want to I'm gonna reverse it here. 104 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: So then let me let me reverse and start from 105 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: the beginning here, from where you just ended it. I 106 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: do believe there was a genesis. I do believe there 107 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: was a point when something kind of changed. And I 108 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: think when you just mentioned Lebron leaving, I think a 109 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: large part of why he was leaving was this. I 110 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: think Lebron we knew the talent was there. He's MVPs, 111 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: he's going he went to the finals in seven, but 112 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: he loses, and I think all he starts to hear 113 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: because this, remember, this modern era is an advent of 114 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: de bait shows daily every single day, the advent of 115 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: social media. This is a hearing of things, these conversations 116 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: daily daily, daily, daily, daily, and we all know Lebron 117 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: gets in the league, he becomes the hot topic. Lebron 118 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the Lakers or Yankees. You know, make 119 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: sure you watch Rinse repeat say that every week, every day, 120 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: the greatest hits. And so I think when he starts 121 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: to hear, oh, he's not a Kobe, Well he scores 122 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: more than Kobe, he's a better passing coache. Well he's 123 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: not a Kobe because Kobe won. Well he can't be 124 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: Jordan because Jordan won. And I think what starts to 125 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: happen with him was with shoot. I can be MVPs. 126 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: I can be in the finals and lose. I can 127 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: be an All Star. My team can win fifty five 128 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: sixty games. But if I don't win, people are gonna 129 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: never put me on this place. So I have to 130 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: go to find a win. Because Cleveland obviously didn't put 131 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: anything around him at that time. So I think he 132 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: jumps ship and I think that same thing happened to 133 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. Well, dang, I'm starting balling out. I'm an 134 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: All Star, second best player in the league. For all 135 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: these years, I've been to the finals, you know, with 136 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: the back in what was it twenty eleven, but twenty twelve. 137 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: But no one's gonna say anything about this unless I win. 138 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: I think we started to have with these guys were 139 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: so worried about if I don't win, and I started 140 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: to freak out because I do believe the ring culture 141 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: started to be a conversation when we were back in 142 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: back in the day. Just somebody who said Will Chamberlain 143 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: was the best player in the league ever. Best you 144 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: know what, the best player ever was Will Chamberlain. He 145 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: had a ring. Russell had eleven, but they felt Will 146 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: Chamberlain was more Dominiqu's best player in the league. Somebody said, no, 147 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: Larry hold On, you talk for quite a bit. Larry 148 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Bird was the best player in the ever to them. 149 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: A lot of people, well, he had one, then he 150 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: had two, then he had three, and for them that 151 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: was what they saw. I remember Larry Reggie Miller being 152 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: that guy. He could have been your favorite player, and 153 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: people would been like, oh, that's your favorite player. 154 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 4: Okay, cool, I know, may Michael Jordan be given to him. 155 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 4: But the end conversation was never always rings. 156 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: I do think we've gotten obsessed with rings over the 157 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: last of teen years. We've gotten lazy with our contextualizing things. 158 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: We've gotten lazy with our analysis, where you go, Shack 159 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: can't even get something for chuckle. But let me tell you, 160 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: I got four rings. You don't have any, And he 161 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: becomes lazy everything. Who he's got five rings? Who he's 162 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: got six rings, Well he's got three rings. He hadn't 163 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: won a ring. That's the laziest thing. So I do believe, 164 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: I agree that is a massive part of the equation. 165 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: And if he's starting it picking if I'm talking about Steph, 166 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Kareem, I'm talking about King, you gotta 167 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: start having those conversations right the little bit. Okay, he's 168 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: better here, he has more rings. That's a part of 169 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: the equation. But I do believe there are some people 170 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: that close their eyes blindly and go who he's got 171 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: more rings? Who he's got more rings, because that's all 172 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: they've heard from debate shows that's all they've heard on 173 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: social media for last fifteen to twenty years. Yawn is 174 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: so boring, and there's no ability to can sexualize or 175 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: have a conversation with nuanced conversation. 176 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: I absolutely strongly believe that people have done that. 177 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: And my last point and I think this is a 178 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: compliment to somebody in particular. I think this is a 179 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: compliment to Kobe Bryant. You say how, I'll tell you how. 180 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant was the first real person that we saw 181 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: that you could legitimately have a conversation. Is he on 182 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: par with Jordan? Harold Minor, Baby, get out of here, 183 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: Gret Hill, He's the next Jordan? Heck of a player? 184 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: Not that Alan Ivers said no, he's heck of a player. 185 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: Not that Kobe Bryant was the first person you started 186 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: to go look like him, talk like him, sound like him, 187 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: to gum like him, same size, shoot like him, fade 188 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: away like him. Oh shoot, he just won three straight rings, 189 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: just like him. And it was the first time we 190 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: started to have a conversation of could he be the 191 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: next door, could he be as good? 192 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 4: Could he be better? 193 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: He's even younger, he because he came straight out of 194 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: high school, and immediately we start saying, no, I can't 195 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: because Jordan had six. Okay, well let Kobe keep going. 196 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: Then he gets four, then he gets five. Well he's 197 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: already lost a couple sides, so he can never be 198 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: dr and it started that conversation. Then Lebron comes, is 199 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: he better than Kobe? No, because Kobe had five, And 200 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: that's when it started. Because Kobe was so good to 201 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: great that we started a question, dang, is he better 202 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: than mine? 203 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: In it? 204 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 4: And we had to hurry up and rationalized while he 205 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: couldn't be to me. 206 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: I agree that it's a part of the conversation for sure, 207 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: but people have gotten lazy rob and make it the end. 208 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 6: I disagree. I disagree. I think it fits people's narrative. 209 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 6: If Lebron was ten and zero in the finals, there's 210 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 6: no way he'd sit here and tell you about rings. 211 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 6: The reason that wil Chamberlain never really got the credit 212 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 6: that he deserves and and broke all the records and 213 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 6: them is because he didn't win enough. Not that he 214 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 6: didn't win, he didn't win enough to dominate as much 215 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 6: as he did. People thought he should have won more, 216 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 6: and that's what helped hurt him. When you're talking about 217 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 6: the greatest. This is not a conversation of whether somebody's good. 218 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 6: Nobody's gonna question whether Charles Barkley was a great player 219 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 6: or Steve Nash's two m vps. It's about the greatest 220 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 6: of all That is the conversation. What I'm saying, that's 221 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 6: the only time that you take everything into consideration, and 222 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 6: you nippick. 223 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 4: When you want to crown somebody. But it was not about. 224 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 6: No, it's not just that's the only thing that matters, 225 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 6: because that's not true. 226 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: No, I'm actually with you on that last part. When 227 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: I am talking about the greatest of the great, I 228 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: have to do that. 229 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 4: I want to somebody the greatest of all time. 230 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: But I don't think that's the overall context of what 231 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: was being said here. I think what we're doing is 232 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: immediately dismissing Chris Paul is one of the best points. 233 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: He didn't win a ring. He didn't and that so 234 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: not the greatest. I agree with you in the greatest 235 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: count because now I have to nitpick, Okay, well how 236 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: many of this or how many that, because it's we're 237 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: talking to. 238 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: Other greatest players. It's not that Chris Paul isn't a 239 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 4: great player. 240 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 6: But I'm gonna look at I'm serious, I'm gonna discount 241 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 6: Isaiah Thomas for Chris Paul. When Isaiah Thomas won championships, 242 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 6: didn't have another top fifty player. 243 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 4: I mean like like, there's more to it. 244 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 6: It ain't just that Isaiah one two, Okay, It's a 245 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 6: lot more than that. And that's what's lazy is when 246 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 6: people talk about player, it ain't just that. 247 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying about a lot of people 248 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: do that now, Rob And that's the culture now. 249 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 4: For twenty years and they started, that's when it started. 250 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 4: It was no and that is not all it was. 251 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 6: We never sat there and just because what conversation would 252 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 6: there really be if it's just about if it's just 253 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 6: about when, what conversation would we have? 254 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: You've done these shows, Joe, And that's what I'm saying. 255 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: They do that because it goes out. Will he get 256 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: more rings? Will he get more ring? 257 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 5: Who? 258 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 4: Does he need to win another ring? Ring? Ring? Ring? 259 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this who? And this is a 260 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: genuine like a genuine question is in an abating question. 261 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to set you. I'm really asking your opinion. 262 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: This Who's who's better? Who would you rather have? Kevin 263 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: Garnett or Charles Barkley. There's no wrong. I'm literally just 264 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: asking so this ain't a set up or nothing. Charles Barkley, 265 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: who didn't win a ring? Do you know how many 266 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: people would never say that? I don't because but what 267 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Roger, you feel me? They would say, never 268 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: say that because their media default, because they've been trained 269 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: and wired. They've been trained and wired the last fifteen 270 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: years ago. You don't have any rings, Kevin Garnett, Why 271 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: because he got a ring? Dirk or Charles Barkley? Dirk 272 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: why he wanted just see a run a ring? 273 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 5: No? 274 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: And like, man, you must have. I never saw Charles 275 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: Barkley play in life. That's and that's where we've gotten. 276 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 4: I know. That's the kind of say. 277 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 6: What you're doing is you're letting lebron off the hook, 278 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 6: which is if this ring thing was in his favor, 279 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 6: I swear to you he would not be on it 280 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 6: on that talking about the ring that rings don't matter. 281 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 4: This is because he's lost. 282 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 6: So many and in a lot of people's mind he 283 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 6: lost too many. 284 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 4: He's lost more than he's won. 285 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 6: And if that wasn't the case, and if Lebron was 286 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 6: also six and zero and the all time leading scorer 287 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 6: and whatnot, he would not be trying to discount the rings. 288 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 6: He only discounts it because it doesn't work for his narrative. 289 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 6: That's why would you want that to count when you've 290 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 6: lost six times? 291 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: I think that's where we'll disagree. I think he's saying 292 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: it's going to that becoming the end all be all, 293 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: not that it doesn't matter. He's been trying to win 294 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: him to the tune of what ten eleven. 295 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,479 Speaker 6: That's why he's got a suitcase next to his basketball. 296 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: I think been it's the we have become blinded and 297 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: can't contextualize and have a good conversation. 298 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple 299 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington week days at seven 300 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: pm Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and 301 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. 302 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 3: Jalen Wims of course a big wing, defensive minded wing, 303 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: and he's clearly the number two behind the superstar player 304 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 3: in SGA, so naturally the comparison has always been, well, 305 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: he could be Scotty to SGA's Michael. 306 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 4: That's gonna be the comparison. 307 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: For his part, Jalen Wims was asked about He's a 308 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: very flattered, you know, kind of downplayed it a little 309 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: bit when they asked Scotty directly, though, in credit to 310 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 3: ESPN forgetting him on the record, Here's what he said. 311 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: He is pretty special. I'm enjoying watching him. I see 312 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: a lot of me and him, for sure. I see 313 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: a guy rising to be one of the top players 314 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: in this league. He's definitely a player that is capable 315 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: of being able to lead the franchise to multiple championships, 316 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: him and Shay and I don't even want to put 317 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: a cap on him to say that he's going to 318 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: be me, because I see him being greater. 319 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: So first off, I want to say shot out to 320 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: Pippen for not being just a naturally defensive person although 321 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: he was on the court to be like, oh, well, 322 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, I mean he got he He I don't 323 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: know he can be me, but I see he's pretty good. 324 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: Like the idea that he could possibly be better than me. 325 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: Him saying that is really you know, refreshing to here. 326 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: He has a long way to go because Pippin did 327 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: it for a very long time and obviously, Jay Louias, 328 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad you know that's a bald statement and we'll see. 329 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: But I will say, Rob, it's one of those things 330 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: where if I told you this skinny kid who you 331 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: know was a three pick would be the greatest of 332 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: all time for North Carolina, and then it happens, Right, 333 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: if I told you this other skinny kid would be 334 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: drafted at seventeen years old and would be the closest 335 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: thing to Michael Jordan and Kobe Yeah, right, a high 336 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: school kid. So it does happen where you kind of go, 337 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: I don't know about that, And then it can potentially 338 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: be he has the makings. He's defensive minded, he's team oriented, 339 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't mind that. I know for sure, I have 340 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: the guy that's better than me in front of me, 341 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: and I'm okay with that, and he comes out and 342 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: he can score, so to me, he has the making. 343 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: And this is also partly why I said it the 344 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: other day, if they're able to stick together for a 345 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: handful of years, when you get too defensive minded wing 346 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: who can score like this, we've seen kind of the 347 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: formula and Jordan and Pippin and Lebron and d Wade 348 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: and Lebron and Kyrie of guys who can Klay Thompson 349 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: and stuff. When you get two wings like this who 350 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: can lock in together and are that dynamic, you can 351 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: have a run Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum where you 352 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: can have a run of a successful five, six, seven, 353 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: eight years. And so they have the making for that. Again, 354 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: a long way to go, but physically, attitude wise and 355 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: want and will power. 356 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: I think Jaylen Williams has to do that. 357 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: And that's what makes his Oklahoma City Thunder team scary 358 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: because you always there's a bunch of stars and talented 359 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: guys and SGA looks like gonna be AMVP candidate for 360 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: five six, seven years. But when you have that second 361 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: guy that's locked in and is that good and only 362 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: getting better and entering into his prime here in a 363 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: little bit, that's a scary combination. 364 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 6: I just have just an issue with them. It's just 365 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 6: way premature. It's just I get it. I do you 366 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 6: want something to talk about or throw it out there? 367 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 6: And I always bring up the Devin Bookers, Kobe Bryant, 368 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 6: and Chris Paul is uh in the top three now 369 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 6: point guards And he just passed like that was a 370 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 6: real conversation, right, Senator. 371 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 4: Okay with the CP than the Booker. No, but but 372 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 4: the Book of One was there? Am I right? Was 373 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 4: that not the conversation? Yeah? People just trying to project yeah. 374 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, like he oh no, he's the next Kobe and 375 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 6: what really? Like like seriously, and I get it. You 376 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 6: want to make comparisons, try to throw it out there, 377 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 6: be the first one to say it, you know, but 378 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 6: you got to be careful with that kind of stuff. Uh. 379 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 6: We know Chris on this radio show that Patrick Mahomes 380 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 6: was Jordan esque. 381 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 4: I don't. 382 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 6: I don't know if he could really after last year's 383 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 6: lost or whatever, do you know what I mean? But 384 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 6: but does he feel the same as he did off 385 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 6: his first three years? 386 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 4: I don't think he does. Is that fair? 387 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: Is it's fair? Because only it rob Super Bowl? So 388 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: I get That's why I said. I get he's not 389 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: putting up forty fifty times. That's what the first three 390 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: years want to say. Jordan's the numbers match the winning. 391 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: The numbers don't match the winning. Now do you see 392 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying? So I'm not taking anything away from him. 393 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: He also got his butt kicked in the Super Bowl, 394 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: like like there it's starting. Michael Jordan never got his 395 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: butt kicked. I'm just saying. So that's the one thing 396 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: about Mike this is gonna be hard, is that he 397 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: never literally never lost, and he wasn't even in Game seven. 398 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 4: And that's what I'm saying. 399 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 6: The early start of that was that he was Jordanesque, 400 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 6: and I just don't think that that applies. 401 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 4: As time is going on and there's some chinks in 402 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 4: the armor, I still think he's jordan Esque. 403 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: Has said heavy on the esque, just because it's the style, 404 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: it's the way, it's the kind of the Bravado doing. 405 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 6: So. 406 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: I mean he's throwing no look pastes, he's doing behind 407 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: the backpack. He just left hand, right hand. That's not 408 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: that's not Jordan, but that's was Jordan. The first little bit. 409 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: Remember the first Jordan was flying through the airtie doing 410 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: stuff sixty three winning, And then it became so he 411 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: kind of did the opposite where he started with the 412 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: winning and had the flat and now he's in the 413 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: Jordan fadera era where it's just gonna be in a 414 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: fishing thirty. And I might not had the crazy flying 415 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: through the air stuff like I did. You might get 416 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: mid rains for the rest, you know, in your face 417 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: all night. I really want to see what like it 418 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: could be. 419 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 4: Don't bring up the nine year gap. Jumping doesn't win again. 420 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 4: You lucky. 421 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: You had to start to segment with love and peace 422 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: because otherwise I'll jump over this table on you right now. 423 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 5: All right? 424 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 4: But and uh so the conversation too, is I just preamature. 425 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, But I think quick last point I 426 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: think while we got here is because there was a point, 427 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: especially if you all we all recall we're all sitting 428 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: home during quarantine watching the last Dance where everyone acknowledged, 429 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: including the Pistons who they had a hard time to 430 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: get past. They were like, oh, once Scottie Pipping became 431 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: Scottie Pipping, we knew it was a rap because the 432 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: first couple of years we played the bulls, we knew, 433 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: all right, Mike, go Mike, as long as we put 434 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: our Jordan rules on him and we'll win. And I 435 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: think that's what we're witnessing. Where now the arrival of 436 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: Jalen Williams, which is why this conversation became warranted because 437 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: he has arrived and he's a beast. 438 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 4: Twenty five? 439 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: Was it twenty seven forty and who knows what he's 440 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: gonna do here in the next twenty minutes or so. 441 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: And that's why we got to this point where he oh, 442 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: it's pipping like, oh, he has he arrived now where 443 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: I got my solidified Robin, y'all better buckle up. And 444 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 1: I think that's why we're here. And the conversation becomes, 445 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: can he become one of the best twos? 446 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 4: The number two? 447 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: We got to solidify one and sga Can he be 448 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: the best number two? And who are those lists of 449 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: best number twos? 450 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: You know? 451 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: Is it Lebron and Kyrie? Because I think we both 452 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: agree Shaq and Kobe. Once Kobe became Kobe, he was 453 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: one A one B. That was he wasn't quite no 454 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: such thing. Somebody's gotta be a B. I'm sorry, you 455 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: mean the two, Yeah, somebody gotta be Yeah, there's no 456 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: one A O one b. 457 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 4: Oh. That might be the one time. I don't know, Rob, 458 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 4: I disagree. I was allowed to deal with. Shaq was unstoppable. 459 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 4: Ain't no question. 460 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 6: You can say whatever you want to be no question 461 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 6: in that Shaq was unstoppable at that time. 462 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 463 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 464 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 465 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: listen live guys. 466 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: As you know here in LA and across the country, 467 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: social media has been buzzing both positively and negatively with 468 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: regards to these ICE rays have been going on in 469 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: all of basically all the major cities, but especially here 470 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles where we do our show from and 471 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 3: earlier on Thursday, after days of silence, basically the Los 472 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: Angeles Dodgers finally, I guess engaged because they announced on 473 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 3: their social media that ICE agents attempted to enter Dodger 474 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: Stadium for reasons that are still unknown up to this point, 475 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: and Dodger security said no, they blocked them. Since then, 476 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 3: Department of Homeland Security and ICE representatives in LA have 477 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 3: said that that is not true. We did not have 478 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: anybody stationed there, even though there is video and photographic 479 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 3: evidence as shows there are some ICE Border Patrol individuals 480 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 3: right there. 481 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 6: They're just killing them to this thing, yeah you know 482 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 6: what I mean, Like, oh no, that we didn't do that, 483 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 6: and then they got the video of it, like like 484 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 6: like this is why you need the media every time 485 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 6: people talk about seriously like like that. This is why, 486 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 6: because if you just go by a government's recollection, that's 487 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 6: what they would tell you. And you got to this 488 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 6: is where the difference between this country and so many others. 489 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 4: Never press yes, oh that never happened or whatever. 490 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: This is why you hope and pray for you know, 491 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: fair and impartial news. Just still give me straight back. 492 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to lean your left right up down. 493 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what it what it is. 494 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: So, guys, the Dodgers are expected at some point today, 495 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: I don't think we've seen it yet, to announce a 496 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 3: plan to assist the immigration community impacted by these raids 497 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: going on here in Los Angeles. And as a result, 498 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: if you look at the Dodgers' social media pages, there 499 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 3: is a war going on, for lack of a better term, 500 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: between two sides. Those that are saying thank you Dodgers 501 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: for getting involved and finally standing up for your community 502 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 3: you're in Los Angeles, and those that are Dodger fans 503 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 3: when I were saying, we are former Dodger fans because 504 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 3: you are stepping yourselves into a social political issue. 505 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 6: It has happened through the from the beginning of time. 506 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 6: We're a part of a society. You can't just sit 507 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 6: by and act like well, an act like nothing's going on. 508 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 6: This has happened forever. And I do believe that your responsibility, 509 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 6: no matter what you are, is as a human being first, 510 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 6: and if something really affects you and the people around 511 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 6: you and you have some sort of influence. I'll tell 512 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 6: you a story. Willie Horton story in Detroit with the 513 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 6: riots going on. He was a popular player, black player. 514 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 6: Riots break out in Detroit. He goes out there to 515 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 6: try to calm people in his Tiger uniform. 516 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 4: Because he was so popular. 517 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 6: People were worried about how you're gonna get hurt out there, whatever, 518 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 6: But he felt that he had to try to do 519 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 6: something that compelled to try to help the community that 520 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 6: was going through something at that point, you know what 521 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 6: I mean. And I think that that's important. People can 522 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 6: do whatever they want. I hear it all the time, 523 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 6: and I'm just gonna be straight up. When people don't 524 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 6: hear what they want to hear, they'll say athletes shouldn't 525 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 6: say anything, they should just whatever. But then when they 526 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 6: invite athletes who are saying what they want to hear, 527 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 6: it they put those athletes on and they don't have 528 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 6: any issue with it, or those entertainers. 529 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 4: Right, you know what I mean? Like, so which one 530 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 4: is it? So nobody? 531 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 6: So you shouldn't put athletes on who are pro whatever 532 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 6: your spiel is and then be negative towards the other 533 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 6: one who are saying something that you don't believe in. 534 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 6: I mean, that's my biggest issue. I think we all 535 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 6: have a responsibility. Uh yeah, I'll give you an example 536 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 6: of what you're just talking about. Blue lives matter, Blue 537 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 6: lives matter, storm the state capital Injure, you know, and 538 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 6: abuse and end up lives being taken at the state capital. 539 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 6: Blue lives no matter now because you're beating up all 540 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 6: the hundreds of police who were there. 541 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: So it's you know, blue lives matter, Blue lives matter, 542 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: storing the capitol. We beat up to the capitol police. 543 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: So it happens all the time, all right. So for me, 544 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: I think this is always an interesting conversation because it 545 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: becomes where does a business, an organization, and athlete and 546 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: entertainer responsibility lie. Because you have some entertainers, Mancis Michael Jordan. 547 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: We know privately he's given some money to folks and 548 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: try to help out all the criticize because he was 549 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: not publicly standing up for this, standing up for that, 550 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: speaking up for this. 551 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 4: Nobody wants you to be. 552 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 6: Speaking on every situation, and that comes on and I 553 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 6: don't in a rupt I do want to say this 554 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 6: Tiger Woods when he's at the Masters where they had 555 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 6: no black members to what. 556 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty nine. 557 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 6: That's where Tiger Woods should voice, Hey, if you can't, 558 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 6: I'm black, okay, no matter what he called itself. If 559 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 6: you won't allow black members here, I don't think I'm 560 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 6: going to skip the Masters. 561 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 4: That's how you force change. 562 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: Couple with that, you and I have talked about this 563 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: off air, knowing what he went through walking into clubhouses. 564 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 4: You're not allowed to be in here, don't. 565 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 6: You remember it wasn't fuzzy Zeller said they'd got fried 566 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 6: chicken and collar greens, watermelon, serv This is what was So, 567 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 6: knowing what you. 568 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: Dealt with, you would think you would have this this 569 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: ambition to speak up and be a part of change. 570 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 4: Which is why. 571 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: But here's the why some people don't rob and ultimately 572 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: why they become heralded in praise later. Everybody loves a 573 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: fuzzy warm story of Muhammad Ali. Do you know it 574 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: wasn't like that. He went through hell standing on business. 575 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: He went through hell, standing on what he believed in, 576 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: standing up for his community, telling y'all want me to 577 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: go and you know, injury and kill black, brock and 578 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: brown people in Vietnam when I can't get treated my 579 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: people can't get treated right here fairly. People hated him, 580 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 1: bashed him. Who's the thing is all this death threats? 581 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: And then yes, twenty thirty years, oh we love Moham 582 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: really happens all the time. He lived the Olympic torch. 583 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: He lit the Olympic torch in ninety six. Bill Russell 584 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: stood on business. People hated him to his death. He 585 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: had a hate love hate relationship with the city of Boston, 586 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: not the Celtics. He loved his team, but he said 587 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: way they treated the way that city treated him coming 588 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: home the feast, he spread all over his house, house, 589 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: broken in death threats to his family in the city 590 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: of Boston. He never loved the city of Boston. He 591 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: loved his Celtic He was very adamant about that. My 592 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: point is, so you have people who speak up, who 593 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: stand up, and there are oftentimes sacrifices that come with it, 594 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: penalties that come with it, which scare some people, the 595 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: loss of money, the loss of fame, they losso notoriety, 596 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: the you know, and just feeling as if they, you know, 597 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm a death threats I have to go through this. 598 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: But then you get the other side of people who say, uh, 599 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna, you know, go out there and play it. 600 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: And I can understand feeling like why do I have 601 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: to speak up? And oftentimes what happens in these big 602 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: issues and these big matters, especially here in the States, 603 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: it always falls on the black athlete to have to 604 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: speak up. Hey Kareem Louiel Sander in sixty eight, Hey 605 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: Bill Russell, Hey. 606 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 6: I understand that because we're the minorities and the majority 607 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 6: is never going to why do they need to speak 608 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 6: up when they're not involved, they're not being depreved. 609 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: But because do you know what I mean the first 610 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: thing you said, they're humans first, and your teammates. 611 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 6: I agree, But I'm saying you not looking for them 612 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 6: to do it, is what I'm saying. You're gonna have 613 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 6: to And there are some people can say whatever they 614 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 6: want about Aaron Rodgers at the time when the controversy 615 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 6: went on about Colin Kaepernan, he was the first white quarterback. 616 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 4: I heard said, what wasn't about uh the military? It 617 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 4: wasn't you know what I mean? Like like he said something, 618 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 4: and that's what I mean. 619 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: So when you say, of course, it's always incumbent upon 620 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying what I'm saying. As you you always 621 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: tell me if I was in that room as the media, 622 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: I would ask. If I was in that room, I 623 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: would say, Hey, Peyton Manning, why aren't you speaking up 624 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: on blah blah blah, Hey Tom Tom Brady. 625 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, as I'm not familiar with, I don't really know. Yeah, 626 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 6: the teammates you kneeled and Tom Brady act. 627 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: So my point is it always? And then I asked 628 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: I had a chance to ask Kareem Abdul Jabbar this 629 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: a few years ago. Uh, when we was live it 630 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,239 Speaker 1: was during George Floyd summer and the protests and then 631 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: it turns the you know, chaos here in Los Angeles, 632 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: and we had him live on there and I asked him, said, 633 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: why was it always coming upon you? Why was it 634 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: always coming upon other black athletes and no one else 635 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: ever has to do it? And he said that was 636 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: just a burden, that was honest, and we had to 637 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: do it. But this is where organizations, what's your ethos, 638 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: what matters to you, what's your role in the community. 639 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: And thankfully there are a lot of organizations who stand up, 640 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,239 Speaker 1: who speak up, who are part of the community, who 641 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 1: are willing to take the heat for a little bit. 642 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: You know, people are gonna be honest, who are willing 643 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: to you know, have a certain part of the fan 644 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: base that might be upset with you. But when you 645 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: stand on what your team, your organization is about, what 646 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: your organization believes in, ultimately, I think things work out 647 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: for you and you become endeared and beloved in your 648 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: city and your community, in your town. 649 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 6: There were there were teams, you know, when Jackie Robinson 650 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 6: broke into baseball that just what no part, no part 651 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 6: of it, and their fans and all that kind of stuff, 652 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 6: and the Dodgers still went along with it. And I'm 653 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 6: not saying that the Dodgers were. 654 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 4: Strictly because they were. 655 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 6: This uh uh franchise, right Morley Wright uh Brench Rickey 656 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 6: saw all these black people in Brooklyn walking past the 657 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 6: stadium and not buying tickets, you know, what I mean, 658 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 6: And I'm not mad at him. 659 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: He's a businessman, right, and sometimes it takes a spark. 660 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes hey, sometimes it is a business that turns to 661 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: doing the right thing that changes the game. But yeah, 662 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: you you definitely want at some point organizations, people athletes 663 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: would do what's right to speak up for the committee, 664 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: for the community, because for humanity. And like I said, 665 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: that's why I gave examples of Muhammad Ali. He did 666 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: it when it wasn't popular, uh lebron to his credit 667 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: and now he jumps in everything. 668 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 4: But to this credit, you don't want to do that. 669 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 4: That's that's he does. 670 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: But he stood up when he at the peak, and 671 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: people would be like, wow, I'm shocked this guy would 672 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: do that. Like we said when Tiger Woods wouldn' when 673 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan wouldn't often. 674 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 4: Billy Jane King. 675 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: You know, there's just people who have been about standing 676 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: on things that matter, standing for the good of humanity, 677 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: standing for the good of people. 678 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 4: And you love to see it because it costs people. 679 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 4: It's gonna cost you something. 680 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 6: You got that, but that's life like that, that's there's 681 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 6: a sacrifice you have to give to get I've said 682 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 6: a million times people don't understand that the oppressors are 683 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 6: not gonna just go oh, you know what, we just 684 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 6: figured it out. 685 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 4: Man, weird, this is wrong. 686 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 5: Here you go. 687 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: No, and you gotta pre space all tires. How they 688 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: get their big deal dealer and we want to deal. Yeah, no, 689 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: we want to deal. No, no yet, okay you know what, 690 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: no World series and okay, now what they get They 691 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: got a deal. 692 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 6: Now they have the best union. NFL doesn't have a 693 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 6: good union. You know why, because they refused to stop 694 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 6: the money they like, you have to have a sacrifice.