1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 3: Here we go. It is it Tuesday. We are really 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 3: really rolling. 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Today, Ryan Dale, Ohio State football coach Nick Wright stops 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: by today. 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: It is a Tuesday. We're live. 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: It's the Herd. Jmac interesting story. The athletic kind of 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: broke an interesting story John Hollinger where there were whispers 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: in league circles that Lebron James, and we talked about 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: it on this show was looking at as a landing spot. 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: We've talked about this great front line. Here comes Cooper 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: flag better coach, and you know, let's be honest, if 21 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: he went to Dallas, he would be the centerpiece. Even 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: though he's older. Lebron in Dallas every time he goes 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: to a new team for two years, it's like wow, 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: Whereas in LA it's like Luca's team, and everybody knows 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: that new owners. It kind of feels like it didn't 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: not against Lebron, but he's not the future. But this 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: is interesting, This is really interesting. So the athletic does report. 28 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: We've been saying this now, I have been saying this 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: for three to four weeks. Dallas is a better place 30 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: to go. I mean, I get Cooper Flag or Austin Reeves, 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: I get a d or DeAndre Ayton. But Lebron wasn't 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: willing and this is what killed it. According to John Hollingdry, 33 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't willing to leave fifty two million on the 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: table for a mid level exemption. 35 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: So think about that. 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: Lebron's a billionaire's billionaire. And my take is with Lebron 37 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: Rich Paul told us it was all about winning, it's 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: not anymore. I think Michael Jordan's still in his head. 39 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: He knows in the basketball community, with basketball fans, he's 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: never going to catch MJ. MJ is six for six. 41 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: MJ is more memorable. MJ's got the logo, the brand, 42 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: and sells more shoes. He's more romanticized Michael Jordan. There 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: are a dozen plays to this day that you close 44 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: your eyes and think about and you can see Michael 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: Jordan do it unless you're driving with Lebron. There's one 46 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: that chase down block against the Warriors. That's it, and 47 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: so I think it Lebron at this point, he's never 48 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: going to catch him. He's never going to catch him 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: in net worth. MJ's networth is three point five billion dollars. Lebron, 50 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: even with the massive money he's paid, is one billion. 51 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: That's why you want throwing a basketball team. I think 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: he's chasing Michael. And here's the difference. Michael Jordan makes 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: you feel something and Lebron doesn't. MJ and I mean 54 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: high level salespeople will tell you you want to trigger emotion, 55 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: and advertisers and consumers, you want to make people feel 56 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: something about a product. 57 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: Michael has that. 58 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: You wear his shoes, you feel cool, You like being 59 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: on that side of the argument. So Michael's richer, more memorable, 60 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: bigger brand, and he makes you feel something and Lebron doesn't. 61 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: Lebron has kind of bounced around to the best basketball 62 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: opportunity every chance he gets. He's been the great basketball 63 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: opportunist and I've never criticized him for that. I understand 64 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: it his first stop. He got drafted to Cleveland. Seven 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: years in they couldn't get him another All Star. I 66 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: was on the bandwagon and get to Miami. But my taking, 67 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: you probably should have stayed in Miami. In fact, I'd 68 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: argue the only time Lebron has ever made us feel 69 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: something was when he went back to his hometown. When 70 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: he went back to Akron and he won in Cleveland. 71 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: Remember that letter, I'm going back home, Mador feel something. 72 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: Then he won in Cleveland. Major feel something. But he's 73 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: sort of been the great basketball opportunists, and he's got 74 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: more points and more assists, and he's been to more finals, 75 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: but he's never made us feel anything. I said this 76 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: the other day Tiger Woods, Major feel something. Scotti Scheffler's 77 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: just great. That's the difference. Arnold Palmer was more beloved 78 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: than Jack Nicholas. People loved Arnie. Why Major feel certain 79 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: way works in politics works in sports. Michael Jordan still 80 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: sells more shoes than Lebron. Just to give you the 81 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: influence of Michael Jordan. He got Derek Jeter in his 82 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: prime to wear his logo football jerseys all over this 83 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: country to Jordan logo, and I look at this Lebron 84 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: not taking for one time in his career, giving up money, 85 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: mid level exception to play with Cooper Flagg, Anthony Davis, Kyrie, Irving, 86 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: Derek Lively better coach. 87 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 3: Now, I'm not going to do it. 88 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, Lebron said it quote, my motivation is 89 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: the ghost I'm chasing he played in Chicago. Even with this, 90 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: I think Michael's still in his head. So NFL cams 91 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: are underway, including the Dallas Cowboys in Auxnard. They've had 92 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: a pretty rough twenty nine years, haven't been to a 93 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: single NFC championship. So yesterday or the day before, Jerry 94 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: Jones was asked, I think a very reasonable and appropriate 95 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: question about remaining as general manager. 96 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 4: Stepping away as general manager, ever been even a momentary consideration. 97 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 5: For your for the yeggs uh yes, momentary A lot 98 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 5: of moments. Now we're getting that to it small fractions 99 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 5: of seconds as you know, you see it. I'm in 100 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 5: senior bowls. Combines all of that, all of that melts 101 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 5: into a real good feeling about where we are, so 102 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 5: that I'm not sitting up there throwing darts about a player. 103 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: The downside to wealth is that it starts to make 104 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: you feel you're great at everything. The Cowboys had a 105 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: great draft in twenty twenty. That's their last great one. 106 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: The goals last great draft was the last four. Their 107 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: first two picks last year home run, home run, position 108 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 1: of need corner. 109 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: They nailed both. 110 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: I think the minute you start thinking you can do 111 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: two to three things exceptionally well, you get into trouble. 112 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: Bill Belichick six years ago was the greatest. 113 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Coach in the world, but then he started taking over 114 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: the draft in personnel, and New England became the slowest 115 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: team in the league offensively. He was toned off to 116 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: offense as the league pivoted, and he got rushed out 117 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: of town and couldn't get another job. Bill O'Brien, I 118 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: think a good coach. Houston Texans made him GMN coach. 119 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: Bad drafts, trades were worse. Remember they gave d Hop 120 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: Away for like, you know, a bag of doritos. 121 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: Like it was brutal. 122 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: And I think I think the way to do it's 123 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: the way Brad Stevens did with the Celtics. 124 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: Very very good coach. 125 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: But he's like, you know, this coaching thing is hard 126 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: in a lot of travel, and I love basketball. I'm 127 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: just going to move upstairs, be a GM eventually a 128 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: great one, and give it to the new guy. That's 129 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 1: the way to do it. You're seeing it in college football. 130 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: The smart coaches, they don't want to be GM. They 131 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: make their school higher. 132 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 4: One. 133 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: Elon Musk brilliant, dabbled in politics. Tesla stocks still down 134 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: fifteen percent. It's hard to just do a bunch of 135 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: stuff really well unless you're show hey, O Tony. The 136 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: Cowboys don't draft well. The Cowboys overpay for good players 137 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: and their non existent last couple of years in free agency. 138 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: I said this a couple of years ago. How in 139 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: the hell could they not pay eight million dollars for 140 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry and the Eagles, with a stacked, often veteran 141 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: expensive roster. 142 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: Pay for Saquon Barkley. How is that possible? 143 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: Philadelphia is paying their quarterback, a receiver, tight ends, three 144 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: offensive linemen, everybody but Jalen carter linebackers, safeties, and. 145 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: They still have Dallas Is like, I don't know if 146 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: we can. 147 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: Afford I'm not sure if we can afford eight million 148 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: to improve the worst running back room in the league. 149 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: And they couldn't and Baltimore could another well run team. 150 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: So but you know, sometimes with Dallas that feel it 151 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: feels like nobody's clapped in Dallas since Jason Garrett I 152 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: was looking this morning. NFC Championship Game's most recent appearances. 153 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: The Bears, Giants, Panthers, Cardinals, Falcons, Saints, Bucks have all 154 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: been to a conference championship game, and the Cowboys have 155 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety five. And Jerry will never give up control. 156 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: If you don't believe me, believe him. 157 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 6: Listen. 158 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 5: I gave every frigging thing in my life and then 159 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 5: exposed probably two or three times that to get to 160 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 5: set up here, and I danced with that devilin and 161 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 5: I'm dancing with it a few other times along the way. 162 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 5: If you think a little bit of what you write 163 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 5: is going to deter me from sitting up here doing 164 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 5: what I want to do, You're wrong. It's just not 165 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 5: going to do it because I've danced with the devil, 166 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 5: the financial devil, and live to tell about it. 167 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: That's the downside to wealth. You convince yourself you're great 168 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: at everything. And I mean think about this. Justin coaching, 169 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: forget personnel. They let Dan Quinn walk to retain Mike McCarthy. 170 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: A year later, McCarthy walks off out of Dallas, and 171 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: Quinn becomes the coach of the rival and the next 172 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: superstar quarterback in the NFC. Coaching, free agency, drafting, developing 173 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: the cap, he's convinced he knows how to do all 174 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: of it. 175 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: J mac. I am so fired up. 176 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: I saw a quote today somebody recently got an extension 177 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: of contract extension in the NFL. 178 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: I don't know. 179 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: I you know, you and I I think are both 180 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: really fast sated to watch JJ McCarthy. We just don't know. 181 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: It feels a little like Jordan Love and Green Bay, 182 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: where for two or three years we're like, we're just 183 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: not getting video. Everybody said it's great, and then we 184 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: saw him and it wasn't great, and then it was 185 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: briefly great, and then at the end of the last 186 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: year it wasn't great again, and you're like, I don't 187 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: know what Jordan Love is. Well. I feel like in 188 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: the same division. JJ McCarthy. We saw him in college 189 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: and then he got hurt, and then we hear stuff 190 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: and everybody said it's great, but then there's other reports 191 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: that are like, yeah, this thing may not work out. J. J. 192 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: McCarthy almost ended up on another team in his division. 193 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's coming up next. 194 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 195 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 196 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 197 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 7: Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 198 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 7: five to seven pm Eastern. 199 00:11:59,080 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 6: But here's the thing. 200 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 7: We never have enough time to get to everything we 201 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 7: want to get to. 202 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 8: And that's why we have a brand new podcast called 203 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 8: over Promised. 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Listen Over Promised with 224 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 8: Covino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or 225 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 8: wherever you get your podcasts. 226 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: So one of the things if you're a sportscaster and 227 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: live in Chicago, people talk Cubs and Bears and I 228 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: get this all the time, like, Hey, what do you 229 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: think the Bears is going to do? 230 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 3: And I keep saying the same thing. 231 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: I like the roster, mostly love the coach, really think 232 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback is talented. I think the family makes it 233 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: hard sometimes to operate. It's one of the poor families, 234 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: the oldest family that owns an NFL team. And I've said, 235 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: I don't really know if Ryan Poles, who just got 236 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: an extension, is a great GM. And I think gms, 237 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: increasingly in the NBA and the NFL, really matter. There's 238 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: been just too many misses for my taste. But this 239 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: bothered me this morning. So according to The Athletic, which 240 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: we lean on a lot. Ryan Poles apparently told people 241 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: that he was very close to drafting JJ McCarthy over 242 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. No mention of Jayden Daniels. Okay, so the 243 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks everybody's unsure of from that class, Caleb Williams 244 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: and JJ McCarthy. 245 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 3: He loved both. 246 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: And it's weird because I said, I mean, we could 247 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: go find it in our archive. It's somewhere out there. 248 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: I said before the draft, I was not a fan 249 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: of JJ McCarthy. He never played from behind. I saw 250 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: him late in close games. I didn't think he was great. 251 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: Can you play from behind? Can you play without a lead? 252 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: Can you play without great protection? Can you play with 253 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: the second best coach in the game. Jaden Daniels did 254 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: his entire career at Arizona State and lsu. JJ McCarthy 255 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: never proved that at Michigan. He had hard baught. That 256 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: Michigan team that won the national titles one of the 257 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: best college football teams top to bottom talent wise in 258 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: the last ten years. So Jaden Daniels was more productive 259 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: in college. He's a much better athlete. He threw two 260 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: times as many touchdown passes and the same number of picks. 261 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 3: In fact, JJ. 262 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: McCarthy is the first first round quarterback taken since Christian 263 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: Ponder that never had a three thousand yard passing season 264 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: in college and no five hundred yard rushing seasons. But 265 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: I also said that, and I've said this before the draft, 266 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: I said, Jaden Daniels is going to go to Washington 267 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: number two. I was told that we beat everybody on 268 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: that by about two weeks. And I said, he's gonna 269 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: be He's gonna look like Lamar Jackson. He'll be better 270 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: in the pocket as a rookie than Lamar Jackson, but 271 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: he won't be quite as electric. 272 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: As a runner. 273 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 6: Check check. 274 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a hard comp I thought 275 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: it was an easy one. But all you had to 276 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: do was minimal homework to figure out he was much 277 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: more NFL ready than JJ McCarthy. And here's two stats 278 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: in fourth quarter in their college career. Jaden Daniels was unbelievable, 279 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: arguably in a better conference, sixty five percent completion percentage 280 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: to fifty six for JJ McCarthy. Three times as many yards, 281 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: three times as many total touchdowns in the fourth quarter 282 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: in his college career. Oh, by the way, that's what 283 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: Jaden was is a rookie in the NFL, a great, 284 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: bizarrely accomplished fourth quarter or quarterback. Okay, how about trailing 285 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: in the fourth row overtime. That's the NFL. No blowout wins, 286 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: that's the NFL. Jadan Daniels was a significantly better quarterback. 287 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: Trailing in college total touchdowns nineteen to three doubles him 288 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: in everything just minimal homework. You knew he was a 289 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: better athlete by watching. You didn't have to go scout 290 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: him at the games. You knew he was better in 291 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: terms of production. But if you just looked at the 292 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: stuff that matters for a college quarterback, how are you 293 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: when you trail? 294 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: Because like, that's the NFL. 295 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: John lwayn Brady trailed a lot, Dan Marino trailed a lot. Peyton, 296 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: Manning and Mahomes many of his great early wins, he 297 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: trailed a lot. 298 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: Are you good trailing? And are you good late? In games? 299 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels was a plus plus in both. JJ McCarthy 300 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: was c to C minus in both. So when I 301 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: read that Ryan Pouls love JJ McCarthy and love Caleb 302 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: and there's no mention to Jayden Daniels, I didn't have 303 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: a single source of the at least five GMS that 304 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: I talked to that thought JJ McCarthy was as good 305 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: as prognat prospect as Jaden Daniels, not one. It was 306 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: five for five Jaden Daniels, and his comp was an 307 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: easy comp. He's not quite as twitchy as Lebar Jackson, 308 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: the fastest quarterback in league history, but he's got about 309 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: seventy five eighty five percent of that. But it'll be 310 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 1: better than Lamar first couple of years. From the pocket. 311 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: It was an easy one. 312 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 6: I knew it. 313 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: Every gam I talked to knew it. In Chicago, like 314 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: the two quarterbacks were still not sure they're any good. 315 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 3: It worries me. It does. 316 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 317 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: and newon Eastern non a EM Pacific. 318 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 5: Well. 319 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: He's entering his seventh season at Ohio State. He's coached 320 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 1: eighty games and won seventy of them in the National 321 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: Championship last year, they won four playoff games by an 322 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: average at ten points. Look at that, he's got a 323 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: Herd microphone. Boy, you are part of the team here, coach. 324 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: I love seeing in that. Let's let's start with this 325 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: that your schedule Texas to start, it's rough. Three weeks 326 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: later at Seattle at Illinois, best Illinois team in years, 327 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: Penn State at Michigan. You've got a quarterback who's really good, 328 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: Julian saying, you got to get him ready to roll 329 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: really early in that season. How big of a what 330 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: do you do as a staff to get that kid ready? 331 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: Week one is arguably the toughest game he will play 332 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: in his career. 333 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: How do you get him ready to roll? 334 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: Well, it starts early when you when you start off 335 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 4: with a game like this first game of the season, 336 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 4: you know, it's it just has your attention even in July, 337 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 4: and then you know, we've got to have a great August. 338 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 6: You know, I think in the spring we made a 339 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 6: lot of progress. 340 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 4: We try to put him in as many game situations 341 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 4: as possible and then go from there. But you know, 342 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 4: he's got a really good supporting group around him. You know, 343 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 4: Licking Keynots is right there with him too. He's had 344 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 4: a great summer. So the two of these guys are 345 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 4: going to compete, you know, all summer and we'll kind 346 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: of see how that all shakes out. But put them 347 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 4: in as many competitive situations as possible and see how 348 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 4: they react to it. But ultimately they got really good 349 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 4: guys around them. They need to make routine plays, take 350 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 4: care of the football, and then you know, when it's 351 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: fourth and two, find. 352 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 6: A way to get three yards. 353 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: You know, people would look at this and say, boy, 354 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: Ryan Day, he's got the national championship. I would argue, 355 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: this is a tough year to be a coach at 356 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: Ohio State. You lost sixteen starters. You got to navigate 357 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: through this nil which is hard for everybody, including Ohio State. 358 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: You could draw up plays in front of me for 359 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: five hours, but creating chemistry is hard. You've got a 360 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: lot of new faces. Let's take us through that. Like 361 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: the downside of being Ohio State. As you lose fifteen 362 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: guys to the pros every year, you've got a lot 363 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: of new faces. How do you build that culture quickly? 364 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 4: Well, I think going back to last year, we had 365 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 4: so many guys decided to come back, and then we 366 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 4: brought in a few older guys in the portal and 367 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 4: then so what happened was, you know, like you said, 368 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 4: you had a mass exodus this year. But that's part 369 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 4: of the cultures is bringing those young guys along and 370 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 4: they were able to not only be a part of 371 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 4: the run, but they played. They just they didn't carry 372 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: the water. And so now they have to do that. 373 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 4: And so one of the biggest challenges this offseason was 374 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: our team has to grow up. And the faster we 375 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 4: grow up, the faster we're going to be able to, 376 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 4: you know, reach our maximum capacity. And so you know, 377 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 4: the goal was for that to be in the first 378 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 4: game and then you know, we come up for air 379 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 4: and figure out where we're at. But you know, guys 380 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 4: are going to be a little experience going into the season, 381 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 4: but that's college football. You're constantly gonna have turnover like this, 382 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 4: and so this is the first time we've gone through 383 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 4: it before. But having a game like this certainly has 384 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 4: everybody's attention in the summer. 385 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: Well, I said yesterday, I picked Penn State to play 386 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: for the national championship, and I said the fact that 387 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: Ohio State is as good as they are, and the 388 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: Big Ten media took Penn State. I said, I think 389 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: Penn State's backfield's about as good as a college backfield 390 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: can get their old lines excellent. I think it's going 391 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: to be a challenge. The good thing you get him, 392 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: you get him at home, and that is a big advantage. 393 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: You beat him last year there, Now you get them 394 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: at home and that's where the field goal are more. 395 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: In college football, Let's talk to Penn State game, because 396 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: everybody's going to talk about Texas. But it looks like 397 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: to me, over the last three years, Ryan, I said 398 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: this yesterday, I think the Big Ten at the top 399 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: is better than the SEC. I think the NIL is 400 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: more powerful. You've got more big markets. You go back 401 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: three years when you look at film on Sunday preparing 402 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: for the next team, do you notice a significant improvement 403 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: in your conference personnel wise, not just from Penn State, 404 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: but Illinois and Minnesota and Iowa. 405 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 3: Do you notice it on film? 406 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 6: Yes? 407 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 4: Yes, I think that we have tremendous coaches. I think 408 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 4: James does a great job, Brett does a great job. 409 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 4: You know, you see the different coaches throughout the league. 410 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 4: So I think the Big Ten is attracting the best 411 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 4: coaches in the country. Not to say anyone. You know, 412 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 4: other conferences don't have great coaches, but I think we 413 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 4: have really good coaches. But I also think that you know, 414 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 4: with the you know, the age of the NIL, we're 415 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 4: able to tap into the resources that you know, some 416 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 4: of the big ten areas are able to grab onto 417 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: and certainly, you know, Columbus is one of those that 418 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 4: not only has a great infrastructure in the city, but 419 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 4: also the fan base that we have, and I think 420 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 4: that's been powerful along the way to continue to build 421 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 4: and we're positioned really good moving forward, like you said, 422 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 4: But the other part of it is, you know, when 423 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 4: you bring in some of the strongest teams, you know, 424 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 4: four of them from the Pac twelve to make an 425 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 4: eight team team conference, now you're talking about a national 426 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 4: conference that's strong from coast to coast. 427 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, your schedule is rough. 428 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: The what is the balance? Because I still think I 429 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: said this before USC, LSU and Colorado went heavy portal, 430 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: and I don't feel like their chemistry has ever been 431 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: as solvent as stable as yours. And my take is 432 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: there is a balance. I mean, when you can get 433 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: a Caleb Downs. 434 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 3: Go get him. 435 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: The kids just absolutely incredible. But do you do you 436 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: go back and forth on this is it a little 437 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: bit of an emotional balance of how much is high 438 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: school and how much is nil? Because I still think 439 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: high school football, you know, the odometer, you've been recruiting 440 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: him since they were fourteen. Sometimes you get an il 441 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: guy Ryan, and you just there's stuff you don't know. 442 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: What is the perfect balance to you on that. 443 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 6: I think it's a great point. 444 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 4: I think we could talk about it for a long time, 445 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 4: but I think now more than ever, we have to 446 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 4: recruit the right people and then retain them and then 447 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 4: develop them and then keep them in your program, which. 448 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 6: Is kind of what you saw last year. 449 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 4: We did add a couple pieces, but the majority of 450 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 4: that team was guys that have been here for four 451 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 4: and five years, and not only the older but you know, 452 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 4: they had a lot of experience and they really wanted 453 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 4: to leave a legacy behind at Ohio State. And to 454 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 4: your point, I think we're all trying to figure that 455 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 4: part of it out. And I think at Ohio State, 456 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 4: you know, we want to make sure as the rules 457 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 4: continue to evolve and really change, like the new format 458 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 4: of the salary cap, and we're all trying to identify 459 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 4: how this third party NIL is actually going to be 460 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 4: figured out and really managed, you know, in the structure 461 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 4: that's going to be in place in enforcement wise. You know, 462 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 4: we're all trying to figure that part of it out. 463 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 4: And I think some programs, you know, their decision is 464 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 4: to be really super aggressive, and there's other programs that 465 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 4: are going to try to be in the middle, and 466 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 4: then some others that are conservative. And I think understanding 467 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 4: that the culture is the number one most important thing 468 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 4: along the way, We've got to make sure the culture 469 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 4: is right. 470 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 6: And so that's the focus for me. That's the focus 471 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 6: for us. 472 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 4: We've got to make sure we still have the right people, 473 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 4: recruit the right people in high school and then retain them. 474 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, I had said on this show, 475 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: I said Jamar Chase was a pro when he was 476 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: a sophomore at LSU. Who I said he's planning on 477 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: Saturday is that guy would be a number one on 478 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: Sundays as a sophomore. He's the best young receiver I 479 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: think I've ever seen. And then I watched Jeremiah Smith, 480 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh no, he's better. How do you 481 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: keep somebody that gifted, who's going to win all one 482 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: on one matchups? How do you keep him focused? How 483 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: do you keep him centered? How do you keep him energized? 484 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 3: How do you keep him? 485 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, he's gonna beat coverage there's nobody like 486 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: him in college football. 487 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: That can be a challenge for a coach. 488 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: How do you keep him centered and focused and energized 489 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: when he is that gifted and can beat singular coverage 490 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: so easily and consistently. 491 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: I think the thing that's remarkable about Jeremiah is we 492 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 4: don't have to He does it on his own. He's 493 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 4: self motivated, he brings it every day. Our strength coach 494 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 4: Mick Barratty was talking about the other day when we 495 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 4: do warm up sprints before every workout, he wins every 496 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 4: one of them, he says. The other day he goes, 497 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 4: he wins every single sprint. He just for somebody as 498 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 4: the talented as he is, he has a tremendous amount 499 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 4: of discipline and skill in his life. And I think 500 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 4: that's what's making you know, he's already special, but it's 501 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 4: continuing to make him special. 502 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 6: You should see him now. 503 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 4: He's bigger, he's faster, he stronger, he's extremely motivated. 504 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 6: He wants to win every game. 505 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 4: When he loses a game, I mean he can't eat 506 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 4: solid food for a long time. I mean, he really 507 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 4: cares about his teammates. He sets an amazing example and 508 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 4: he doesn't need to be motivated. I think that's what 509 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 4: makes him special, and I think a lot of guys 510 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 4: are seeing that in his own way. 511 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 6: You know, he's not a real, you know, verbal guy. 512 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: He doesn't you know, really you know, get out and 513 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 4: get out in front of things in terms of that. 514 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 4: But he leads the way in terms of his work 515 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 4: ethic and obviously he has so much respect for what 516 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 4: he does on the field. But you know, when you 517 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 4: talk to people who play up against him, I think 518 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 4: his size and his power and his strength and what 519 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 4: really separates him as a player. 520 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just I mean, he just comes out of 521 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: the uniform like he just there there. You don't have 522 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: to be a football expert to watch him come out 523 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: of the tunnel and go wow, Ryan Day, the national 524 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: championship Buckeye coach. They open on Fox with Texas that, 525 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: folks is one for the ages. Get in front of 526 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: a TV and enjoy that. It's in Columbus and that 527 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: isn't edge. 528 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 3: Ryan. We appreciate you stopping by. 529 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 6: Thanks call, I appreciate you, man. 530 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: You bet that's going to be when's the last time 531 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: an opening game in the college football weekend was that good? 532 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: That I couldn't say that. 533 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: You could argue, well that the two best players in 534 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: the country, or Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs, those are 535 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: the two best players in the country. I had somebody 536 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: tell me that Caleb Downs would have gone number one. 537 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: You got almost take out quarterback. He would have gotten 538 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: number one last year's draft, that's how good he is. 539 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: Then you got arch Manning, which is an unbelievable store. 540 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: You have two huge brands that I bet you that sets 541 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: a record for a Labor Day weekend college football game. 542 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: I bet you that sets and everybody tells me on 543 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: nobody's watching TV that will set a record. I can't 544 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: wait for that thing. Fox gave me my college football 545 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: preview book this weekend. I'm sitting there watching the British Open, 546 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: the Open with Rory McElroy and Scotti Scheffler and reading 547 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: that I'm not going to be I'm not gonna lie 548 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: eleven thirty in the morning, a poort, a cold one. 549 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: I was totally committed to that beer and Texas, Ohio 550 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: State and the Open live in Chicago. 551 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 6: It's third