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Speaker 1: is up? Straight firefam? It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight fire

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Speaker 1: for Monday, March eleventh, and holy cow, I did not

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Speaker 1: expect March eleventh to open with three count them, three

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Speaker 1: big quarterback stories in the NFL. Folks, you know it's

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Speaker 1: March badness time. I love college basketball. We'll do a

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Speaker 1: It's gonna make the Jordan folks unhappy, but that's they're

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Speaker 1: huge seismic news that broke late last night. Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: it's the leagueman, but one point two million dollars a

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Speaker 1: massive bargain for the Pittsburgh Steelers. They get Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: before we thought Russell Wilson is gonna get dump. Maybe

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Speaker 1: now it's Russell Wilson. Listen. I went on the Herd

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Speaker 2: At some point we have to play. We have to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, any a.

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Speaker 2: Quarterback is supposed to be forty million. He's getting twenty five, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be quite honest with you, and I

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Speaker 2: of beggars cannot be choosers all right. Since he came

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Speaker 1: I just had to google this, the Lawrence thing. He's

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Speaker 1: the women's college basketball stuff fromunday, but I quickly want

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Speaker 1: to go NBA. So I think I've said this a lot.

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Speaker 1: I would love to be wealthy enough so I don't

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Speaker 1: have to be on social media, I mean instant, I like,

430
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: I just hate Twitter. It's such a cesspool. It's just

431
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: it sucks, and it stinks that I have to actually

432
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Speaker 1: be on there and kind of deal with it. It's

433
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Speaker 1: part of the job, right. I'm not at the level

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Speaker 1: of Coward or Stephen A. Smith, where I just they

435
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: don't care about this stuff. I'm still like, I gotta

436
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: pay attention to I gotta know what's going on. And

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00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: I refuse to go on TikTok for the longest time,

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Speaker 1: even though my wife is like, listen, you could start

439
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: doing some stuff on TikTok, like there's sports people on there,

440
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: there's gambling stuff. So finally, reluctantly I go on TikTok.

441
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: I kind of repurpose some stuff, but I'm not like

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Speaker 1: putting in the effort. I probably opened the app once

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Speaker 1: every four weeks. Okay. Rob G tells me that some

444
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: TikTok trend was amazing and it has been so good

445
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: that it has leaked over onto ig and Twitter, and

446
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: it's about the NBA. And apparently the trend is everybody

447
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: started looking at or not everybody, but some TikTok people

448
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 1: started looking at nineties NBA highlights and they were like,

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00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait, hold on, hold up, hold on

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Speaker 1: these nineties NBA highlight this is the ERAa you guys

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Speaker 1: said was amazing, And so what these guys did is

452
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: they cut up nineties highlights, you know, Michael Jordan against

453
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: a lot of Expansion Team kids like I joked at

454
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: his plumbers, you know, blah blah blah. And then they,

455
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, mixed the video with a bunch of highlights

456
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Speaker 1: from the current NBA where you have guys like Jalen Green.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I got text to texts from people

458
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Speaker 1: about Jalen Green, and one of them was about a dunk.

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Speaker 1: The other was about him, I guess a relationship with

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Speaker 1: some super important woman that I am not really familiar with.

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Speaker 1: But Jalen Green had a dunk over the weekend that

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Speaker 1: was so thunderous I had to show my kids. I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this is insane. And I

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Speaker 1: guess this whole trend was when you look at the

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Speaker 1: nineties highlights, Oh, here's Michael Jordan driving in does some

466
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Speaker 1: fancy layup cool or he does like a dunk, and

467
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Speaker 1: then you look at the dunks from today and it's

468
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: like a totally different brand of dunking in ferocity and athleticism,

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Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh my god, Like Anthony Edwards,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw this last night,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards tried to end Anthony Davis in the Wolves

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Speaker 1: Lkers game. He just went up and Anthony Edwards had

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Speaker 1: some hops that like maybe we've never seen before. When

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Speaker 1: the block that he had on I believe it was

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Speaker 1: Thursday night was unbelievable. It looked like when he like

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Speaker 1: he was in the lane running back to get to

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Speaker 1: play defense and he took a step down and then

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Speaker 1: popped up, it looked like he was off a trampoline.

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Speaker 1: That's how high and fast he went and got this

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Speaker 1: game saving block that was just insane. He hit his

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Speaker 1: head on the rim, not like grazed it, like hit

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Speaker 1: the rim pretty hard with his head. Looked like you

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Speaker 1: could have broken his wrist on the fall. Scary, and

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Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards just an athletic freak. And then you've got

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Speaker 1: people who are like, Wow, the nineties NBA was really

486
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Speaker 1: better and and you know, Rob, we've been beating this

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Speaker 1: into a pulp for I don't know years now, and

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Speaker 1: people are now starting to see, oh, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: you're saying the fifteen win expansion heat in the nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety one Seeds or whatever it was. In the early nineties,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have good players and then you know, of

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Speaker 1: course the jabronis now are like, well what about the Pistons?

493
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: They stink? And then you're like timeout, Cad Cunningham would

494
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Speaker 1: have been like an All Star in the early nineties,

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Speaker 1: like Mark Price was an NBA All Star, like it

496
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Speaker 1: was a solid point guard. I mean, I don't know, Rob.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you take it away because you're hot on

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Speaker 1: this and you were the one who found it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean, I'm not going to go so

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Speaker 2: far as say as we're done with the ninety and

501
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: those the big trend, but we've been beating this drum

502
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Speaker 2: for years now. Nineties NBA basketball was not the peak

503
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Speaker 2: of the association. We'll put it lightly, okay. And if

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Speaker 2: you don't believe me, you don't believe Jason, you don't

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Speaker 2: believe the TikTokers, I get it. Do you believe Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer Dennis Rodman, who played on the Bulls teams

507
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Speaker 2: the greatest team ever, saying quote, the league is so

508
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: filtered and watered down, weiki beat anybody with their eyes closed,

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Speaker 2: pretty much. Jerry Sloan, who coached arguably the second greatest

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Speaker 2: team of that era behind Jordan's Bulls, saying quote, you

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Speaker 2: look at the overall picture, it definitely is deluded to

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Speaker 2: some extent. You can get by with just three great

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Speaker 2: players on a team and have a chance to win

514
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: it all. Okay, Charles Barkley Larry Bird have said similar things.

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Speaker 2: They're saying that the league has thinned out, the expansion

516
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: has kind of ruined the depth of the league. Look,

517
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Speaker 2: I don't want to debash the guys who came in front,

518
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: because they ultimately pave the way. I'm assuming your favorite

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00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: player was either inspired by someone who played in the

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00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: nineties or inspired by somebody who was inspired by somebody

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00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: who played in the nineties. Like Kobe has gone on

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Speaker 2: record multiple times saying, you know, he watched Jerry west

523
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: Algim Baylor, Michael Jordan and that made him great. So

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00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: then that led to guys like Russell Westbrook, James Harden,

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00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: and Kevin Durant saying Kobe inspire them. And the list

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Speaker 2: goes on and on and on. But we just got

527
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: to be honest with ourselves. Right, you look at technology.

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00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: The TV does not get fuzzier as it gets newer. Right,

529
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: technology only gets better. Sports athletes get bigger, stronger, faster,

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00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: they get more information. It's played at a different speed,

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Speaker 2: It's played with different athleticism. They have more information. The

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00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 2: offenses and defenses are more complex than they've ever been.

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00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: Pick your favorite sport. That's what's going on. And if

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00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: you just want to look at highlights, right, because you

535
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: brought up the Jalen Brown dunk and that was awesome,

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00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: I saw that one as well. But you mentioned the

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00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: Jordan dunks, and they show highlights of everything he did

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00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: and things that Charles Barkley did and how incredible they

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00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: were for that era. If you just look up, I'm

540
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: being dead serious about this, go on YouTube and search

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Speaker 2: Bubble NBA Playoff highlights and just watch some of the

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00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: things that Jamal Murray was doing, that Donovan Mitchell was doing,

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00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: how that TJ. Warren was doing. And these guys are

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00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: good player. While other than TJ. Warren, but these guys

545
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: are good players. I think Jamal Murray's great, I think

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00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell's great. They are not viewed as upper echelon

547
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame type players, but they are doing things

548
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: that Michael Jordan was getting commercials built off of and

549
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: running highlights for three decades later. Jamal Murray had more

550
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: two layups in one game that were better than any

551
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: in game move and Michael Jordan has ever made. And

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00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: that's just facts, like, that's that's not me trying to

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00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: be a moment somebody like, that's not me trying to

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Speaker 2: be I'm not trying to be a hater. It's just

555
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: like that's the natural progression of life. That's not spirasson

556
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: of sports. And so, yeah, like the nineties, it was

557
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: a different brand of basketball. It should be appreciated for

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Speaker 2: what it is, but don't try to compare what that

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Speaker 2: was to what we see today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta

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00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: dig into this TikTok trend. It's just such a time

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00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: suck TikTok. That's my big issue with it. You could

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00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: end up scroll and next thing you know, it's like

564
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes have gone by and you've seen videos by

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00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: random people you don't even know, and now that stuff

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Speaker 1: seeping into your brain. I don't know. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: NBA highlights are a different animal. I'll say this, Like

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Speaker 1: Dominique Wilkins was the human highlight film and he was

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Speaker 1: an awesome human eyelight real whatever it was. He was

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00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 1: an awesome dunker. I love Dominique Wilkins, but just because

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00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: you were a kid, and that's see, you know, really

572
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: seared in your memory those amazing eighties nineties NBA plays Again,

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00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: if you go back and try on YouTube to watch

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Speaker 1: like an entire game, I'm just telling you, guys, real talk,

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00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: it is bad basketball. It's everybody clogged in the lane. Defensively,

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Speaker 1: it's lumbering centers back to the basket stuff. It looks

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Speaker 1: like a different sport. And again I'm not criticizing it.

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Speaker 1: That's just that's how it is. It's just different. It's

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Speaker 1: not wrong or right, it's just different. I mean, I

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00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 1: think anybody with a clue would say it's better. But

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Speaker 1: you know, we have people wedded to our We're in

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Speaker 1: our camps, on our tribes. I'm in the Jordan tribe

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00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna only share stuff with and people unwilling

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00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: to come off and so it's not even worth talking

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00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: to them about. Anyways. We'll quickly wrap up college basketball

586
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: over the weekend. You know, men's college hoops was good.

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00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: The cream cream Abdul Jabbar and Indiana excuse me, Indiana State.

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00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: They lost in the Conference NBC Conference championship game. I

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00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: had Indiana State. I hope they make the tournament because

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00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: that guy's good and that team is fun to watch

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00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: if you watch any of that game. But the actual

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00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: bigger story there were two and they were both in

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Speaker 1: women's basketball, Bigger than anything that happened on the men's side.

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Speaker 1: I know, the Duke kid trying to trip somebody in

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Speaker 1: the UNC game. I had Duke so rotten. Not not

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Speaker 1: a great Saturday Sunday after like an amazing two month run.

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00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: But Caitlin Clark and iowill fall behind by eight against

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Speaker 1: Nebraska with like two thirty left. You're like, it's over.

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Speaker 1: Caitlin carkon, maybe Iowa is not that great, maybe they're

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Speaker 1: not gonna cut down the nets, and Caitlin Clark just

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Speaker 1: pick a different She goes steph slash Lebron took the

602
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: game over, scores, assists, game time, layup, they force overtime,

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00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: and then they get they get the get the lead

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00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: in overtime and pull away and win. It was just

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00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: like there's something about this team, Like I actually made

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00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: it a point to seek out this game, like I

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00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: wanted to see what happened. I'm committed. I'm pot committed

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Speaker 1: to Caitlin Clark, like it is a great story and

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00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: you know what, it's gonna end here in the next month,

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00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: and that's it. And the comment that is, Kaitlin Clark

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00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: will leave college basketball and go to the WNBA and

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00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: it ain't really gonna be the same. Remember Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: at Davidson, what an unbelievable tournament. And I think I'm

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Speaker 1: almost certain the next year they did not make it.

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Speaker 1: Then he goes to the Pros and he's in like

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Speaker 1: Golden State, and sure he had a couple of highlights,

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00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: but he was like injured, and then he was battling

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00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: Monte Ellis for the in the backcourt. It wasn't working,

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Speaker 1: and it was and it took a few years, so like,

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00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: and I just don't know if the audience has patience

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Speaker 1: to watch Kaitlin Clark in the WNBA and have a

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Speaker 1: few years and get committed to the Indiana Fever. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe that's their name, but I guess it is.

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Speaker 1: And then Katelin Clark was gonna be the biggest story

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00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: and then LSU South Carolina played and I know nobody cares,

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Speaker 1: and you guys want to be like, Jason, what are

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Speaker 1: you talking about this is larger than like a women's

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Speaker 1: basketball game. So LSU won the title last year. They

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Speaker 1: talked a lot of trash. The Angel Reese talks a lot.

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Speaker 1: She was the one pointing at her finger in Kitlin

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Speaker 1: Clark's face. Good drama. By the way, the podcast last

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Speaker 1: year when we recorded it talking about that it'd gets

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Speaker 1: good numbers because there's some drama around it. So this year,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina is even better than LSU. They're undefeated. They

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Speaker 1: needed a prayer in one of what I called on

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Speaker 1: Instagram one of the worst one second left defensive moments

637
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in basketball any level. They did not

638
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: guard the inbounder who were inbounding at half court, and

639
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: they decided not to guard the tall girl on South

640
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: Carolina who basically just got a wide open three point look.

641
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you nobody within five feet of her, and

642
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: she banks it in and they win the game at

643
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: the buzzer. It was the worst defense ever. So South

644
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: Carolina goes to the title game against LSU and you

645
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: could tell within the first like five minutes, these teams

646
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: hate each other. A lot of trash talking. And if

647
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: you remember, Thomas Cassalle came on this podcast, I know

648
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: Rober remembers it because we talked about it afterward and

649
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: he had a phenomenal point. Men's college basketball has been

650
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: like newter. They don't let the guys talk trash. There's

651
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: no like hitting people with the too small, flexing jaw

652
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: jack all that stuff. They nip it in the bud quickly.

653
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: They don't want like an incident. Women's college basketball has

654
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: embraced it, and you saw it with the Caitlin Clark

655
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: LSU game last year. You've seen it this year when

656
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: somebody rejects Caitland Clark shot, they're like, you know, like

657
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, kind of moving the shoulders like Lebron or

658
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: like stare downs, like they're letting you know. And there

659
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: is something cool to that. I will say, however, there's

660
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: a fine line, okay, of how much of that crap

661
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: you let go? And LSU and South Carolina the entire

662
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: first half was basically talking trash. There's a girl on

663
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: South Carolina who's pretty good, and she scored two buckets

664
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: in traffic and instantly went with the too small. I

665
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: think that's kind of a lame, lame, Oh you're too small.

666
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: I think it's lame. But she did this twice. Another

667
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: girl scored like a tough shot in transition, fell to

668
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: the ground, no foul call, scored it, and like sitting

669
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: on her butt, she starts flexing while sitting down after

670
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: she scored a basket. I'm telling it's not even like

671
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: the end of the game. Meanwhile, LSU inbounds the ball's coming.

672
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Of course, she sat on the ground and was flexing.

673
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: It was just it was a little too much, and

674
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: you could tell. The announcers even said this is getting

675
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: out of it, like, come on, you got it. Refs

676
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: have to get this under control. So of course there's

677
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: like two minutes left. LSU turns it over and commits

678
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: a foul, one of those like I gotta foul the

679
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: person before they get a breakaway jim a breakaway layup,

680
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: and the refs call the foul and the South Carolina

681
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: girls basically in this LSU girl's face, we're just like, yeah,

682
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: it's over, you know what. I'm not gonna pretend to

683
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 1: know what they said. And the girls just had enough,

684
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: you know, like everybody has a breaking point. And this

685
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: girl shoves a South Carolina player, and then of course

686
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: the seven footer who hit the bank shot comes in

687
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: and decks and I mean decks the LSU player and

688
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: then bedlam breaks out. And if you watch the video,

689
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: if you have it at this point, I'm telling you

690
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: please seek it out. A fan from like the third

691
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: row comes running down and jumps over the scorers table

692
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: unto the court and like puts his hands on the

693
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: seven foot from South Carolina. It's unclear which side he

694
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: was for, but it's like a fan with a backwards hat.

695
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: The police see him, they jump into action and grab

696
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: him instantly. He's in handcuffs and it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

697
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: this is out of control. And I'm telling you, LSU

698
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: talks a lot of trash. South Carolina talks even more,

699
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: and the referees did nothing. And I know it sounds like, Jason,

700
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: you committed a lot of time to women's basketball. Listen.

701
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: I coach my daughter. We just finished an undefeated regular season,

702
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: me and another coach, and my son's season ended. And like,

703
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: I like sports, I like getting energized. I've posted some

704
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: videos of my kids scoring and I'm all fired up.

705
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: Like sports are fun, they're entertainment. Enjoy it. But there's

706
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: a line that can be crossed. And Rob I'm telling

707
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: you it was crossed big time in this game by

708
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: I thought South Carolina and the refs didn't nip it.

709
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: And now you got South Carolina's I don't know if

710
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: she's a seven foot er, but she's huge. She's now

711
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: suspended because they deemed when she decked the LSU kid,

712
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: they deemed that fighting. So she suspended for the first

713
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: game of the NCAA Tournament. South Carolina's undefeated, and I

714
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: don't know, it was kind of a blemish on what

715
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: was a kind of an exciting day in women's college basketball. Now, Rob,

716
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: I just did like a four minute rant on women's

717
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: college troops. That's probably more than I've done in the

718
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: last ten months combined. But did you see any of this?

719
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: Do you have a reaction? I thought the fan jumping

720
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: in was a little scary because it's like, who is

721
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: this guy? What side is he on? Why is he

722
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: putting his hands on a player? I was a little

723
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: wigged out by that.

724
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: I did watch it, well, I watched it as much

725
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: as I could. I was watching it at knots Very

726
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: Farm on my phone, so we're waiting in line. I

727
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: got a lot of downtime, right, so I was able

728
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: to keep up with it. Quick clarification. So the fan

729
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: who jumped onto the court was the brother of the

730
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: girl who got pushed down. Oh, so that was the

731
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: reason why he jumped on the on the floor and

732
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: why he was escorted away by police but not actually arrested.

733
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: I think that's the reason why is because he's related.

734
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: He was deemed to be my neighbor, and he wasn't,

735
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: you know, meaning to instigate the incident or excel escalate

736
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: the incident. Interesting, however, so that's number one, number two.

737
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: And I know that you totally disagree with this, because

738
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm gonna diagree with you. I didn't mind

739
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: all the chippiness with South Carolina and that LSU And

740
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: from this perspective, obviously in sports things are going to

741
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: get heated. There's a certain line that can't be crossed,

742
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: and obviously it was cross there, especially at the end.

743
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: So I understand that part. That part is absolutely point taken.

744
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: But one thing I will say is the biggest knock

745
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 2: in my opinion, or excuse me, the second biggest knock,

746
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: because biggest knock on college sports for women or women's

747
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: professional sports period is the athleticism that you get in

748
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: the men just is totally different than the women, right,

749
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: Like the men in tennis serve it much faster than

750
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: the women, no matter how great Serena Williams might be.

751
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: Lebron James can dunk all over anybody in the NBA

752
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: even at age thirty nine, that if he played in

753
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: women's basketball, he'd averaged like one hundred and ten points

754
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: a game, right, Like, that's just it's genetics, it's biology.

755
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do about the peak man versus

756
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: the peak women in sports. The men's probably gonna win

757
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: every single time. But the second biggest issue I think

758
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: that Fate is facing women's sports is that, either consciously

759
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: or subconsciously, sports fans do not want their women to

760
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: act like men. They expect their women to still have

761
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: some kind of quote unquote lady like features when they're playing.

762
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: They don't like the yelling, the screaming, the pounding of

763
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: the chest, the sh show of emotion. The things that

764
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer were doing on a tennis

765
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: court after they would make a big server or a

766
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: big win, screaming, yelling, pumping their fists were celebrated early

767
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: on in Serena William's career, when she was doing things

768
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: like that, it was, well, what is she doing. She's

769
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: showing up her competition. She shouldn't be doing that. That's

770
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: not the way a champion should ask when the men

771
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: were doing the exact same thing and they were getting

772
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: celebrated for it. And I believe when it comes to

773
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: women's college basketball, or women's basketball, particularly, the things that

774
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: make the men so exciting, the yelling, the confrontations, the

775
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: physical play, the things that we embrace in the male

776
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: game still kind of get frowned upon in the women's game.

777
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: So when you see a team a game like yesterday

778
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: where these two teams obviously have bad blood, obviously have

779
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: a rivalry, that's real, that's not manufactured. This is not

780
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: a media creation. These two teams do not like each other,

781
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: these players do not like each other. So when you

782
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: see it kind of spill out onto the floor in

783
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: a healthy competition, again, rabbit til the very end, I

784
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: think that's good. I think you need more stuff like

785
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: that to make it more socially acceptable so that the

786
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: casual fact can get behind the sport.

787
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: It's a good point. Don Staley's the coach at South Carolina.

788
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: They're really really good. She knows what she's doing. She

789
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: was a college basketball player of some renown when I

790
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: was in a young guy growing up, and I remember

791
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: her just being completely dominant at UVA. Want they went

792
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: to three final fours, Anna Natty. I don't think they

793
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: ever won the championship, but she was such a good

794
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: player and you could see her as a coach. She's fiery,

795
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: she's I mean, that team is really good, and it

796
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: seems like the number one seeds are going to be

797
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: Iowa and Caitlin Clark, South Carolina, maybe Stanford Yukon probably

798
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: And I had this take on Friday on the Herd

799
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: Rob that I want Caitlin Clark to get the Duke treatment.

800
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: I want her in the final four. I need that,

801
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: And people are like, oh, well, Kateln Clark doesn't want that.

802
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: Well yet, I know she doesn't want that, but I

803
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: don't care what she wants. The millions of people watching

804
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: and I think they had like a record for the

805
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: national championship last year or the Final four, whatever it was,

806
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,479
Speaker 1: but she's setting records along the way. Millions of people

807
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: want this. Caitlin Clark is one person I don't care

808
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: if she wants to face the best in the inn

809
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: the sweet sixteen, and nobody cares. We want her winning

810
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: in the sweet sixteen. Now, I'm not saying you rig it.

811
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: People are flipping out and saying, oh, Jason, you just

812
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: want to rig No. I want her to get the

813
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: Duke treatment. The NCAA tournament for years gave Duke the

814
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: easiest path to the final four. And it would be

815
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: like an the brackets will come out and be like,

816
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: what a joke, look at Duke. They gotta play like

817
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: all these weak teams in the in the sweet sixteen,

818
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: in the l D eight, they're a lot to the

819
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: final four. And you know what happened. Duke would get

820
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: to the final four. And guess what, everybody was happy,

821
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: and I mean the fans because you easier loved or

822
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: hated Duke. It's weird, rob and we're not gonna get

823
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: to it now. But I'm starting to feel like Caitlin

824
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: Clark has been so good and so powerful for college

825
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: basketball and such a talking point that people she's becoming

826
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: polarizing herself. You either love her or you just don't

827
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: like her at all. And I did not know there

828
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: was a don't like Caitland Clark fan. But people I

829
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: think are like, hey, there's other teams in women's basketball.

830
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: There's other players. Yeah, no shit, we get that, But

831
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't care about them. Are they doing supernatural things

832
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: like Kaitlin Clark? Are they shattering every record known to man? Oh?

833
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: Well then ye, I'm not that into them. And I

834
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: have no connection to ninety percent of women's college basketball.

835
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: But I just I think this tournament's fascinating. I'll be honest, Rob,

836
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna have some men's tournament guests this week. I'm pondering,

837
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: do we get a guest to talk about Caitlin Clark, Like,

838
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, a beat writer from I have no idea.

839
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if the audience would like that or

840
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: if they Sometimes the audience will see what the headline

841
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: is for the podcast and they'll just say, I'm gonna

842
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: pass on this one. And I do that with other

843
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: other podcasts. Yes. On iTunes. I have follow the Joe

844
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Rogan podcast, and I'll see, Oh, it's a comedian. That's

845
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: a skip, unless it's like David Spade or somebody I

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Speaker 1: really like, I'm just skipping it. Oh it's a bow

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Speaker 1: hunter guy. Yeah, that's not for me. It's a philosopher. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in that, And I'll skip over guests. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Rob. We'll see how it goes. I'm

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Speaker 1: very curious where the audience is. If you guys want

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Speaker 1: to let me know, or Rob, you know where to

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Speaker 1: find us on social what's your interest level in Clark, Rob.

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Speaker 2: I'm locked in. I'm just like our guest said last week,

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Speaker 2: I'm way more interested in the women's brackets than I

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Speaker 2: am and the men. And Caitlin Clark is the primary

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Speaker 2: reason why she is box office. She is everything that

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Speaker 2: you want in a college star man or women. She's

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Speaker 2: a great performer, well, she's a great player number one.

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Speaker 2: She's a great performer number two, which is almost just

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Speaker 2: as important in the college game. Like people liked watching

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Speaker 2: JJ Reddick not just because he played for Duke and

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Speaker 2: he was a good player, but because he would do

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Speaker 2: the thing to get under your skin and he was

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Speaker 2: good at playing to the crowd. Trey Young is great

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Speaker 2: at that in Atlanta with the New York Knicks, like

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Speaker 2: things that make you either love or hate him, keep

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Speaker 2: you locked in. And Kaitlyn Clark is just like that

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Speaker 2: as a player, and in addition to that, I believe

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Speaker 2: David Stern said it best when he was talking about

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Speaker 2: the NBA playoffs when he was still in charge. They said,

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Speaker 2: what's your ideal finals matchup? And he said, it's the

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Speaker 2: Lakers against the Lakers, right, So he know what that

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Speaker 2: means is give me whatever's gonna give the best television

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Speaker 2: ratings possible. And Caitlyn Clark is box office. She drives interest,

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Speaker 2: she drives eyeballs.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I hope they give her the cakes bracket possible so

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Speaker 2: we can end up with some combination of Iowa, South

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Speaker 2: Carolina and LSU in the final four point blank period.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's it for today. We're back tomorrow. Talk

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Speaker 1: to you then,