WEBVTT - Legally Brunette: Karen Read - Case Closed 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:05.000 Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:09.360 be your host Emily and Shane. Just Shane. This is 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.719 actually a very exciting day today. We were super happy 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.479 that this worked out because the Karen Reid verdict came 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.400 in today, so we were definitely going to get into that. 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:19.760 We're just going to go through the case a little bit, 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.599 do a little overview, go into the closing arguments, and 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.120 then talk about the verdict. But before we go into 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:26.680 Karen Reid, we always like to do a little bit 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.560 of an update in the beginning on some of the 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.680 other cases that we talked about. So I don't know 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.519 if you guys had the opportunity to listen to this episode, 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.480 but we did go into the Idaho murders a couple 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.200 episodes back, if you want to go back and look 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:41.800 for it. But one of the things that we talked 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.040 about was the door dash driver Do you remember this? 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.120 And we were like, there was such a close timeframe 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.240 as to when the delivery was made and then there 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.879 was actually evidence of a photo of the food delivered, 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.560 but this was the same time that Coberger was in it. 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:59.240 The door dash issue caused more questions to be had 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.800 than answer like it Wasn't it more confusing? 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.639 Most likely? But I remember saying that once this trial starts, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.040 we're going to see the DoorDash driver, and that was 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.480 that was a new update that came out. I read 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.920 that today that a DoorDash driver is expecting to testify 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.319 at the upcoming Idaho murders trial, which will start in August. 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.880 I don't remember the exact date, but it's August, and 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.640 that she actually saw Brian Coberger during a delivery on 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.200 the night of the fatal stabbings. It's a forty four 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.000 year old woman identified only as MM and court documents 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.280 and she told police during a traffic stop so she 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.240 got pulled over and Pullman Washington last year, that she 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.440 delivered food to Xana Kernodle on the early hours of 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.240 November thirteenth of twenty twenty two. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.360 The victims are just someone visiting the house. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.240 Xana was one of the college students that was murdered 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:47.640 that evening. So the DoorDash driver uttered the words I 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.200 saw Brian there, two officers, adding that she had parked 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.280 right next to him when she had pulled into the house. 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.400 The purported delivery is alleged to have taken place just 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.800 minutes before Kernodle, her boyfriend Ethan, and the two roommates, 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.640 Kaylee and Madison were all stabbed to death by a 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.760 masked assailant. The woman also told an officer that she 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.800 may be called to the stand to testify at Coburger's trial, 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.800 according to bodycam video of the conversation, which was posted 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.840 to YouTube. Quote, I have to testify in a big 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.080 murder case here because I'm the door dash driver. So yeah, 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.520 the woman says in the clip as she's being questioned 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.119 over a suspected DUI back in September of twenty twenty four. 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.440 So that's that's something a doordasher never thought they would 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.880 be a part of that way, right, Yeah, you when 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:34.600 you signed up to be a doordasher, do you think 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.240 that you would be a witness to like one of 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.360 the largest murder cases in the country, right in terms 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:40.639 of popularity. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.320 And the fact that she literally delivered the door dash 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:48.840 like as he was No, I mean that's a possibility. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.200 What was your tip that night? 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.960 The trial against Brian Coberger is just a few months away, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.800 but family and friends of the victims will have their 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.200 voices heard in a new documentary which will be on 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.400 Amazon Prime. It's called One Night in Idea, the College Murders. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:02.359 Oh, when's that coming out. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:04.760 I don't know if there's a date, but I believe 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.440 it's soon. It will spotlight the morning after the four 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:12.200 University of Idaho students Xana, Ethan, Madison, and Kayley were 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.440 killed in their home off campus in twenty twenty two. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.519 It's told in captivating tents and emotionally wrenching detail by 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.560 only those involved in and affected by the crime. The 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.679 series intimately explores the American tragedy and it's continued impact 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.240 and fallout. This is described in the Amazon Prime press release. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.040 Oh, so they've announced it formally. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.440 It's actually airing July eleventh, twenty twenty five, which, by 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.280 the way, is the day after that Real Housewives of 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.440 Orange County Season nineteen airs on July tenth, So this 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:41.520 air is the next day. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.480 Only eleven affect your ratings. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.839 Thank you for that. So you guys will have lots 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.760 of good stuff to watch in July. So you know, 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.880 I don't know, it'll be interesting to see what they 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:58.360 do say, because clearly they can't say things or give 0:03:58.440 --> 0:03:59.600 interviews that are going. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:04.760 To impact impact right, but we're definitely gonna have to 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:06.160 discuss that one. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:06.760 Absolutely. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.080 It's like one episode, do we know? 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.080 It says a docu series, so there's more than one. Yeah, 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.039 all right, let's move on, and before we get to 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.480 the verdict which came out today in the Karen Read retrial, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.800 let's just go through and do like a little bit 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.600 of a reminder about everything that's happened so far. So 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.560 what were the prosecution and the defense arguing? 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:28.960 I know this? 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.159 So many people are invested in this case, so a 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.440 lot of you know this. But I do feel like 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.120 it's important just to have like a basic overview so 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:37.679 we can get into closing argument. 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:38.960 My memory refreshed, Yes. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.760 And Shane has I've been married to him for sixteen years, 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.719 so his memory is about as long as a butterfly. 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.680 Because every day you're like, one, I've never heard that, 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:49.880 I don't raise before. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.359 I figure a butterfly doesn't have a long term memory 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.640 because they don't last very long. But every day you're like, 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:55.520 what are you doing today? 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:56.440 Wait? Did you know? 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:57.120 Tell me again? 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:58.880 What do you know? Now? We're getting something else? That's 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:00.880 what you don't tell me what you're doing until five 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.800 minutes before you're like, oh, yeah, I forgot I'm going 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.000 to Las Vegas this week. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.080 It's true, all right. Anyway, back to Karen Reid. So, 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.640 the prosecutors alleged that Reid hit her boyfriend John O'Keeffe 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.040 with her car she had Alexis SUV outside of the 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.440 home of a fellow police officer, Brian Albert, in January 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.440 twenty twenty two, and left him to die there during 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:23.040 a blizzard. 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:24.840 This is three and a half years. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.719 Yeah, this is after a night of drinking. The defense 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.600 has argued that Reed's vehicle could not have hit O'Keefe, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.440 and instead said that O'Keefe was attacked by a dog 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.680 and beaten by other people who were in the house 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.960 before he was then thrown out in the snow and 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:39.640 left to die. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.920 That's a gang up. When the dog also joined. 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.440 Uh yeah, man, the dog's like, let's get him. Okay, Look, 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.360 I have a I was thinking about this state because 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.280 I was thinking about how the defense, the defense's complete 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.279 defense in this case is basically that he was beat 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.360 up inside the house by other people, police officers, and 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.880 the dog was a part of it. We have a 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.000 German shepherd. German shepherd husky. If there is a fight, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.479 if there is an altercation in this house, that dog 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:05.360 would get into it. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.880 Yeah, I don't know, I know, Okay, So what's what's 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:10.520 your point? 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.480 My point is is that pretending or trying to act 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.000 like a German shepherd and a home of a police 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.240 officer if there was a fight, that a German shepherd 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:23.479 wouldn't have like gotten involved in an altercation with men. 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.880 When there's you know, well who's arguing that the dog 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:26.599 wasn't involved. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.400 The prosecution, Well, they're arguing that she hit him. I'm 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.120 just saying that's not a far fetched idea. That's my point. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.880 My point is, it's not like the defense came up 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.560 with some random theory that's also sense to me. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.680 It wouldn't sway me one way or another. I mean, 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.680 it's like, you have all these police officers that are 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.800 alleged to have killed them, and we're worried about whether 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.000 the dog did or did not scratch him. 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.600 Well, it comes down to the evidence on his arm. Yeah, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.719 I mean it looks like scratches and. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:56.760 When the dog was relocated, the dog wastection the dog. 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.480 Is currently yes. Because here's the other thing that didn't 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.720 make sense. To me, it was Chloe is the dog. 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.440 Chloe was re home shortly after this incident, And how 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.839 can you not find Chloe? Like wouldn't you go to the. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.320 Police, And well, I don't know. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.520 I mean, I feel like if my dog was involved 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:13.920 in an altercation and then I. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.280 Just gave him away, shouldn't that be subpoena, Like we're 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.040 gonna subpoena, Like who the dog? 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.080 Yes, he's compelled to come into court. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:26.400 I'm just rehome the witnesses and no one's gonna ask 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:26.920 about him. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.720 A brief overview of what happened after the first trial. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.040 So we know that there was a hung jury in 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.720 the first trial, So the Commonwealth decided to retry her, 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.560 which again I thought was a huge kind of state. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.560 That's exhausting. At least I think a hung jury in general, 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.760 like as a layperson, a hung jury means there's doubt, 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.360 and so why would you try again, Like, let's find 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.760 some more people that might find him guilty. These people 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.120 didn't find guilty. Find some more these. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.600 People didn't work out, Let's try different ones. At least. 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:59.280 Forgerers who served on Karen Reid's last her first trial 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.520 last year have confirmed that she was found not guilty 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.679 of second degree murder and leaving the scene of personal 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.080 injury and death, according to Reed's attorneys. I do remember 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.480 that Reed's attorneys did try to make a motion before 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.080 the court that she'd be acquitted because there were juries 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.600 that spoke afterwards that had had relaid the information that 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.440 they did find her guilty, even though they didn't formally 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:21.920 say that, they just just came up with they said, 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.200 we couldn't make a decision, and. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.000 Talked to the jurors then afterwards, because can they be like, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.160 what was convincing? Why did you think they were? 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.360 What worked and what didn't. However, the jury could not 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.480 come to an agreement on a third charge of manslaughter 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.560 while operating a motor vehicle under the influence. Her lawyers 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.840 filed multiple appeals all the way to the Supreme Court, 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.000 claiming Read should not have been retried on the counts 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.319 the jury apparently agreed on, saying it would amount to 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.240 double jeopardy. Each appeal was denied. She's pleaded not guilty 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:57.360 to all three charges and maintains her innocence. She was 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.480 facing this and this is the retrial. Three main charges 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.640 with the death of John O'Keeffe's second degree murder, manslaughter 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.720 while operating a motorcal vehicle under the influence, and leaving 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.040 the scene of a collision resulting in death. 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.199 So you might have said this, but can I ask 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.920 question did? Is she using the same attorneys? Yeah? 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.719 She Well, she added to her team. She has a 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.120 bigger team this time, but she's still her main attorneys 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:22.440 are Alan Jackson. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.240 And then my prosecutor prosecutor. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:25.720 No, remember we talked about this before. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.760 That's why I said, Yes, I'm reminding you memory. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:35.640 Yes, it's probably worse. They brought in a special prosecutor, 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:41.360 Hank Brennan, who also represented or Yeah, the Whitey Bulger. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:47.040 Why Whitey Bulger. Yes, he was a mobster. 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.679 Yeah you think it, white. 0:09:52.120 --> 0:10:03.800 Tighty Whitey Bulger. Let's talk about some of the key 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.240 witnesses and some of the things that were brought up 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:07.000 during this retrial. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.640 Yes, some basic questions. When was the first verdict again 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:11.800 or the first lack of verdict? 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.640 You mean the mistrial? It was last year, so she. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.120 Had to go a year of waiting to be prosecuted again, 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.400 and then she had to go to a nearly you know, 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:25.200 a lengthy trial over a month man, Now, what's she 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:25.600 going to do? 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.520 Well, she has a civil suit against her. Still, I mean. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.720 That's that's nothing. That's nothing. Better to go in a prison. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.720 Oh yeah, I mean and the cil. 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:35.720 Okay, we'll talk about it. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.640 Yeah, let's get to the civil ser laders. But let's 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.840 just go through some of some of the testimony and 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.360 some of the evidence in the retrial. Jennifer McCabe's testimony, 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.240 who was a friend of O'Keefe and Reed, who was 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:49.320 also in the home that night. She is a friend 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.080 of both of them, but she is also the sister 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.240 in law of Brian Albert, who owns the house. So 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.160 defense attorneys say that Jen McCabe's text messages show she 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.440 organized to cover up around how John O'Keefe wound up 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.480 unconscious in the snow outside of thirty four Fairview quote. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.559 Carrie talked to the cops and kept it simple, McCabe 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.320 said in a text at about eight pm on January 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.480 twenty ninth, twenty twenty two, the day O'Keefe's body was 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:18.360 found outside her sister, Nicole Albert's home. Then Jen McCabe's 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:22.400 sister responded, we'll get more info tomorrow. Don't want a 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:28.120 text about it. In addition, Alan Jackson asked Jen McCabe 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.280 why she didn't ask her brother in law, Brian Albert, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.080 a police officer, for help, given that he would have 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.920 had first responder training and lived in the home. McCabe 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.240 said she didn't think to go inside to get Brian 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.800 Albert find warm blankets, or to check whether the Alberts 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.080 were also in peril, that she was entirely focused on 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.520 helping O'Keefe. I thought this was really great when Alan 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.360 Jackson was cross examining her on the stand. He's cross 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:58.439 examining Jen McCabe. Her brother in law and sister live 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.360 inside the home where a dead man is found on 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.960 their lawn. She knows that her brother in law is 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.599 a cop and a first responder. She never goes to 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.160 the house. She never knocks on the door. She never 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.240 asked him to come outside to help to give CPR. 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.080 She never goes into the house to investigate and see 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.319 whether her brother in law and sister are okay or 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.520 if something happened inside the house that she needs to 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.400 check on. Why did she not do that? 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.839 Because the Boston Police Department taught her otherwise, Because that's 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:30.959 why it might not be the first body in this 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.240 lawn by the way, Well it's. 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.160 The first body on it. You mean, the first body 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.280 that anyone knows about on his lawn. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:38.120 Yeah, exactly. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.839 Brian Laughlin's testimony, he's the snowplow driver. I found his 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.000 testimony very calling, very credible, very compelling. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.679 He was that guy like knew everything, Like he was 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:49.920 like a snowplow guy for thirty five years in that 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.400 neighborhood or something ridiculous like that. Well he well he 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:54.800 was in the neighborhood for thirty five years. 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.320 Remember, Yeah, I don't know how long he'd been a 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.920 snowplow driver. However, his testimony was on point. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.720 It was concising, right, he knew the properties, he was, 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.040 he knew who lived there, he knew how long, Like 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.720 he was familiar with the neighborhood. It wasn't like he 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.800 was just going up and down roads and following a 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.040 map like he knew. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.160 So, Brian Lawlan was a snowplow driver. He's called to 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.280 the stand to testify for the defense. Brian Lafren testified 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.240 he did not see a body in the yard at 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.440 thirty four Fairview early in the morning on January twenty ninth, 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.199 twenty twenty two. Despite passing by the house multiple times, 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.559 Lawfren first drove the snowplow passed the home between two 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.480 forty and two forty five am. Though it was dark 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.880 and snowing hard, law Fren testified he could clearly see 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.120 the front door of the home. When asked what he 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.840 saw on the lawn by the flagpole, law Fren responded, 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.840 I saw nothing. Did you see a six foot one, 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.439 two hundred and sixteen pound man lying on that lawn. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.520 Defense attorney David Eanetti asked, no, he said. I found 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.040 his testimony to be very credible because he talked about specifically. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.360 He knew the route specifically, he knew the name of 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.040 the streets, he knew the times specifically, he knew exactly 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:03.720 what time he got there and checked out. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.960 It was so natural, it was so like normal for 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.520 him to respond. He didn't have to think like this 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:11.480 was his routine. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.679 And also, when you're talking about someone on a snowplow, 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.640 it's not in a regular car, like he's sitting up high. 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.679 Well, no, I don't know, it could be it was 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.440 it a pickup truck snowplow or was it? 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.200 No, they called it like the Frankenstein or something, because 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.000 it was like kind of an older model and it 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.120 was kind of put together. 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.120 I probably was just like an F two fifty or something. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.920 I don't know, but I know he was sitting up high, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.680 and I know that it was what which is high 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.840 as high and it was very well lit. Yeah, And 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:39.880 that he's consistently on guard and looking left to right 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.520 and scanning because he doesn't want to hit He's on 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.280 a big snowplowsy. He doesn't want to plow any bodies over, 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.080 So he has to be very very careful, and he 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:49.600 has to be very alert, and he has to be 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.160 very aware of his surroundings. So the fact that this 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.160 man did not see a body on the lawn between 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.800 two forty and two forty five am, when the prosecution 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.880 has made it clear that she hit him at twelve 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.160 thirty one, the body would have been there all right. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:08.600 Sergeant Yuri Bucanik's testimony. He is a Massachusetts State Police officer. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.240 He testified about the investigation and reads emergence as the 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:17.400 suspect in O'Keefe's death. However, the misconduct of previous state 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.440 trooper Michael Proctor, who was absent from the retrial loomed 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.760 heavily over his testimony. Now we all know Michael Proctor 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.680 was the investigator, the lead investigator in the first trial. 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.360 He was also trial. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.200 Because the prosecution did not want to call him because 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.920 he was He was fired. He was let go from 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.480 the police department for how he bungled the first case, 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.720 how he didn't investigate it thoroughly. He had all those 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.880 text messages, you know, with his friends talking about Karen 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.520 Reid calling her, I don't know, what do you say? 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:47.880 He said she was hot, and then he was like 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.320 talking about looking for naked photos on her phone of 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:51.120 her and he said. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.240 Yeah, scholars work here and goodness. 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.720 So he was he was not brought back to testify. 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.160 I'm sure the prosecution was hoping that everyone just forgot 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.440 that he even exists. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.120 Right. There was no former trial. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.880 This is the first one. Michael Proctor had never heard 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:14.000 of him, though Buchanik. Through Buchanik, prosecutors tried to minimize 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.120 Proctor's influence and the investigation, while the defense held Proctor 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:22.280 up as the lead investigator. Buchanik said each homicide case 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.840 is a team effort. During cross examination, defense attorney Alan 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.720 Jackson tried to restore the sense of Proctor's control over 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.760 the case, showing Buchanik's investigative documents that carried Proctor's name 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:37.880 or signature. Still, Buchanik refused to call Proctor the lead investigator, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.320 referring to him as the case officer. Clearly the reason 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:42.880 he was on the stand, as they're trying to take 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.720 away the power from Michael Proctor and his name all. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:47.400 Over this case. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.000 Trooper Nicholas Guarino's testimony. He is also a Massachusetts State 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:56.000 Police officer. Guarino testified for the Commonwealth that read called 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.240 O'Keefe more than fifty times and left eight voicemails between 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.560 the times. She said she dropped him off at thirty 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.640 four fair of View, and when she started searching for 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:09.159 him the next morning, all the calls went unanswered. Quote 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.080 You're an e fing pervert, she said in one voicemail 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.880 left at one ten am, per Guarino's testimony. Seven minutes later, 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.680 she left another, you're efing using me right now, you're 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.920 effing another girl. You're an e fing loser. F yourself. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.359 At five twenty three am, she left her seventh voicemail, John, 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.280 where are you. You know when I listen to these voicemails, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.080 because I've heard all of them, this is a woman 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.960 who had no idea that a man was laying dead 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.359 in a yard right or else. She's the best actress 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:45.560 I've ever seen because her voicemails are a woman who 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.479 is who has no idea where this man is, and 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.480 she thinks he's not coming home because he's having an 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:54.399 affair with somebody in that house, and she is legitimately 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:56.920 pissed off and wants to murder him. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.480 I have a feeling you've made notes. I felt that 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.159 this is how I should leave my voicemails. I see 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:06.320 very convincing. 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.840 So for me when the prosecution is trying to use 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.320 these voicemails to show that they had a strained relationship 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:17.080 and that she you know, that she was so mad 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.560 that night that she repped her engine and like ran 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.080 over him. To me, I don't look at it that way. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.760 To me, I see those voicemails and the calls as 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.040 someone who legitimately thinks that man is in the house 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.480 having an affair with another woman, and she thinks that he's 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.080 doing things and he's not coming home and she's mad. 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.000 This whole thing is ridiculous because if you were going 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.720 to commit a murder and you're going to run someone 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.920 over or do something like that, it would never ever 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.960 in a million years cross my mind to think leave 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.280 the dead body on the police officer's lawn. Yeah, because 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.440 they a real police officer, a team of police officers 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.560 would immediately start to preserve it, start to notify, start 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.280 to do something to forward the investigation, and not just 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.560 like stay in the house, will say that I know, 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.720 I know, I know you in your wildest dreams, we 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.119 ever thought like I'll leave this dead body on some 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.640 on this police officer's lawn and then like no one 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.640 will ever be able to figure out who killed him. 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.639 So you're saying, if she legitimately hit him, if she 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.760 was mad and she and he fell backwards and landed 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.480