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Speaker 1: want scouting buddies. Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Hey, Brian, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: welcome back. I've got to get you off the road
Speaker 1: for a little bit and uh talk a little since
Speaker 1: we have a bye week here. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: tradition that we have here with the Draft Show of
Speaker 1: putting something out for you just kind of gets you
Speaker 1: some names, some thoughts. You know, the Cowboys are in
Speaker 1: a situation right now where we've we've you know, they've
Speaker 1: made a trade. Yeah, so now it's really about you know,
Speaker 1: no first round pick, But that doesn't deter what we
Speaker 1: do on the Draft Show because now, to me, guys,
Speaker 1: it's about really having to dig in you know, not
Speaker 1: that the Draft Show doesn't dig in, but it's now
Speaker 1: it's about really digging in and and and and and
Speaker 1: finding names and you know, thinking of creative ways to
Speaker 1: get back in, take the players there in the second
Speaker 1: round or whatever you have to do. I think this
Speaker 1: is gonna be honestly, I think it's gonna make the
Speaker 1: draft show him better. I think it's gonna make us
Speaker 1: tougher to have to come up with with a lot
Speaker 1: of different names, a lot of different ideas. But that's
Speaker 1: what the Draft show is all about. Yeah, I right
Speaker 1: about that, David him, Well, it's I think I agree
Speaker 1: with the premise of what you're saying. But basically, you
Speaker 1: just gotta rethrink your strategy. Yeah, you gotta reading because
Speaker 1: you know what, this is the third or fourth year
Speaker 1: we've done the bye week Draft Show, and you know,
Speaker 1: you look back at last year and then you talk
Speaker 1: about big time prospects for next year. But this year
Speaker 1: that's Amari Cooper now, and you spent that first round pick,
Speaker 1: and so it's your whole strategy. I mean, are you
Speaker 1: still thinking about wide receiver as a need? Probably not,
Speaker 1: probably not early? What is a need? What is what
Speaker 1: can you realistically get with your second and third round picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where's the class deep? Because of all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: that's even more important than it usually is. Uh. If
Speaker 1: you can't use a first round pick on a guy,
Speaker 1: so uh, it turned my whole world upside down. And
Speaker 1: I'm excited change the way we think about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited about because to me it I just want
Speaker 1: I want to be tougher. I want to make you know,
Speaker 1: I want the draft show. So you're gonna do like
Speaker 1: eight hundred names like Dane now or Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. We're starting already. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he and I've already we've already started cracking us. By
Speaker 1: the way, there's a defensive tackle Alabama. Well do you
Speaker 1: like this guy at Houston? This guy at Alabama is
Speaker 1: better Quinnon William Yes, yeah, yeah, if you like, If
Speaker 1: you like Oliver trust, so, how are we gonna get him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's well, you know you got to talk about these cats.
Speaker 1: We will. Yeah, we know. To me, if you ask me,
Speaker 1: I think the draft is even more important now for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Yeah, you cannot miss on these second and
Speaker 1: third round picks. You can't. Absolutely when draft weekend comes
Speaker 1: around and listen, nothing's changes for the Cowboys. Scouts changes
Speaker 1: and keep great players. I mean, does end changed for us?
Speaker 1: Because when you know you trade for a Maori Cooper,
Speaker 1: you know part of that goes back to your value
Speaker 1: in two thousand? Uh was it fifteen? Yeah, they knew
Speaker 1: they had no shot out of Maury Cooper, you know that, right, right, So,
Speaker 1: but they still did their due diligence and that played
Speaker 1: into you know, now him being a Cowboy. So they're
Speaker 1: still doing no due diligence on all these players. And
Speaker 1: you ever know they might have a top ten pick
Speaker 1: on a player that falls to pick twenty seven, maybe
Speaker 1: you think about moving up. You'll get him a Noah
Speaker 1: fan from Iowa. Tight end, you know, one of these guys.
Speaker 1: So look at him, look at We'll be talking about
Speaker 1: is he Is he better than George Kittle? He's in
Speaker 1: He's an Evin Ingram type. You know, he's more of
Speaker 1: a wide out than a Cowboys don't want him. Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't want to get him out here. You want to
Speaker 1: around DAC with guys that can play. Yeah, no a
Speaker 1: fan can play. Yeah. So I'm tight Ends aren't bad man,
Speaker 1: don't be looking at me. I mean, I mean I was.
Speaker 1: I was watching some tight ends with him today. I'm
Speaker 1: just making a joke about how cowboys need their tight
Speaker 1: ends to block I know you're right about that. Hey.
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Speaker 1: We were so happy to have you with you with
Speaker 1: us here and and as you can tell, we're all
Speaker 1: very excited about talking about the draft, and here we
Speaker 1: are in the end of October. By the time we
Speaker 1: get this thing really cranking here in January, this will
Speaker 1: be full on get ready for twice a week likely on.
Speaker 1: Still we're going twice a week without a first round pick,
Speaker 1: you know what. And that's and thank Derek Eagleton for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, listen, I just wanna, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back. I'm gonna go back a little bit here
Speaker 1: in this draft. I'm gonna go back in the last
Speaker 1: draft we had, and there were some guys that we
Speaker 1: talked about, and I want to give everybody an opportunity
Speaker 1: to maybe talk about a guy or two that they
Speaker 1: you know, that we kind of thought, hey, this guy,
Speaker 1: we really really like this guy, and either A he's
Speaker 1: playing well and you know, or B he's a guy that,
Speaker 1: you know what, we kind of need to see. Maybe
Speaker 1: I was a little bit too high on him. Maybe
Speaker 1: I felt like that this was a guy that uh,
Speaker 1: you know, that that I saw saw opportunity to grab
Speaker 1: and that he was going to be a difference maker.
Speaker 1: And and you know, and I'm gonna run I'll just
Speaker 1: I'll run through a couple of guys and if I could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that we talk about guys at the top
Speaker 1: of the board. And I know, Dane, you were really
Speaker 1: really high on se Quon Barkley. You were really high
Speaker 1: on a top five player in this draw, absolutely top
Speaker 1: five player in the job. How about Denzel Award, another
Speaker 1: top five player in this Okay, there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now we're kind of talking about little players, nice little players. Okay,
Speaker 1: these that's the top of the draft right there. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think the Browns and John Dorsey have
Speaker 1: been vindicated a little bit. Bradley Chubb's come on, That's
Speaker 1: what I was gonna ask. I was gonna get to.
Speaker 1: I was gonna get to Bradley Chubb and what we
Speaker 1: talked to so far fifteen solo tackle, six and a
Speaker 1: half sacks, Yeah, and I think those six of those
Speaker 1: sacks have come in the last two three weeks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's the Broncos moving to sam linebacker in their scheme,
Speaker 1: and so there's a little bit of a transition there,
Speaker 1: and he's he's coming around. He's playing better the last
Speaker 1: few weeks. But Denzel Award, and I said, I remember
Speaker 1: sitting here when the pick was made on our draft show, coverage,
Speaker 1: and there's some questions about it if they were really
Speaker 1: gonna take him. Yeah, well many because everybody was thinking
Speaker 1: he was gonna take Chup at the moment they drafted him.
Speaker 1: He was the best corner on the Browns roster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's played like it. He's had play. He is
Speaker 1: absolutely played like that. Then, is not just the three interceptions,
Speaker 1: but just also the coverage. Uh, you know what he's
Speaker 1: doing on a snapped to snap basis. He is ready
Speaker 1: right right away, which is exactly what they needed. And
Speaker 1: to me, I think he is. He's right in that
Speaker 1: conversation to be a front runner for the defensive Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year. Yeah, and that well, that's and obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, credit to credit to the Cowboys and not
Speaker 1: that we were I don't. I wouldn't say we were
Speaker 1: wrong about Layden vander Esh but I also think it's
Speaker 1: fair to say we questioned had some questions about Lady.
Speaker 1: I want to get to that too as well. No,
Speaker 1: and we absolutely can't. My point being, I think the
Speaker 1: three names that are going around for defensive Rookie of
Speaker 1: the Year. You hear Ward a lot, yeah, Derwin James
Speaker 1: a lot. Ye, another guy we love. That's exactly who
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to as we go down the sport Chubb.
Speaker 1: It's coming on. But you know, people, and Layton vander
Speaker 1: Esch has played at a level like that, but he's
Speaker 1: not getting interceptions, which is how you win awards like that,
Speaker 1: which that just shows how impressive Denzel Ward has been
Speaker 1: that he's managed to do that, you know, halfway through
Speaker 1: his rookie season. All right, let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about Laton vander Oh, I'll tell you what. Then let's
Speaker 1: let's talk excuse me with Derwyn Derwin James. Now, see
Speaker 1: Derwyn James gets all the way down to seventeen with
Speaker 1: the with the Los Angeles Chargers there, and I think
Speaker 1: we were still I was, I was a I know,
Speaker 1: at least they didn't pass on him. Its true, you're right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, You're right, they didn't pass on him. Yeah no,
Speaker 1: But but it could have been a trade up situation
Speaker 1: could have been. Okay, now compare the two who's who
Speaker 1: would have? Who do you think? Who do you think
Speaker 1: just crystal ball this thing? Well, but you get to
Speaker 1: also include, okay, would you rather have Layton Van Dress
Speaker 1: and Michael Gallop that's yeah, and that's I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not going to even attempt to criticize our second guest speak.
Speaker 1: I love Derwin James, and he's playing like the guy
Speaker 1: that we thought he was. But the Cowboys appear to
Speaker 1: have an heir to Sean Lee. He's already playing. That's
Speaker 1: more important than anything right now. He's already playing like it.
Speaker 1: The safeties have not been great this year for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They've given up two or three play touchdowns, but they
Speaker 1: have not crippled this defense. I mean, the defense is
Speaker 1: still top ten in the league. Guys got three and
Speaker 1: a half sacks, which James yeah, yeah, no, he's got two.
Speaker 1: He's a stud. Yeah, but I'm just saying it. But
Speaker 1: you've got it, Okay, you're saying they made the right choice.
Speaker 1: I really think they did. By not giving up something
Speaker 1: and going up a couple of spots, they did the
Speaker 1: right choice. And it's fun. It's fun that we're doing
Speaker 1: this now because if we if we did this in
Speaker 1: week two, we'd be like, oh, Michael Gallup, was that
Speaker 1: a good call? But his arrow is trending upward. He
Speaker 1: played very well against the Red School. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: to that so it's hard to sit here right now
Speaker 1: and really question it. Even if Derwin James is good.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys, I think are fine. They shouldn't have, you know,
Speaker 1: any buyer's remorse there. But you look at a team
Speaker 1: like the Bucks who took dat and you know what,
Speaker 1: I give you full credit because you were not on
Speaker 1: the Vita Vea train. Well I'm not. You know, it's
Speaker 1: still early, but still, you know, Okay, if I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna take a defensive tackle that early, he
Speaker 1: better give me some pass rush value. And I just
Speaker 1: don't see Vita Vea doing that. And he struggled to
Speaker 1: get on the field. Ye, but yeah, I thought that
Speaker 1: was the perfect landing spot for Derwin James, and they
Speaker 1: went with the big defensive tackle, and I think the
Speaker 1: Bucks are having a little bit of buyer's remorse now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're right about that too. Guys want to
Speaker 1: talk about two we go down the board here? Okay,
Speaker 1: here's here's where's a little bit of a sticking point
Speaker 1: for us on the draft show was between DJ Moore
Speaker 1: and then Calvin Ridley. Yeah, and I mean presidents of
Speaker 1: the DJ Moore fan club, right, yeah, Oh, I no
Speaker 1: trust me. I was. I was helping you guys get
Speaker 1: along the road of doing that. They were I think
Speaker 1: eleven and fourteen on my board, so I thought both
Speaker 1: were top fifteen picks. Yeah, I was a fan of Buck.
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley was eleven. DJ Moore was fourteen, So I
Speaker 1: had it flipped. But how much? And it just goes
Speaker 1: to show and not criticizing players, so to speak, But
Speaker 1: like fit is so important. Oh yeah, Calvin Ridley is
Speaker 1: stepping in as the third receiver in one of the
Speaker 1: most explosive offenses in the NFL, with twenty seven receptions
Speaker 1: for three ninety six and six touchdowns, three of which
Speaker 1: can him in one game. And then DJ Moore you
Speaker 1: got I mean, you know, Christian McCaffrey's a nice player,
Speaker 1: but you got Cam Newton and then so I think
Speaker 1: there's a little more a little more attention being paid
Speaker 1: to DJ Moore. But yeah, I think thirteen catches for
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety one yards I believe, Yeah, had
Speaker 1: a costly fumble in one game if I remember right too.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go, the guy's going down in
Speaker 1: the first round. Do we over evaluate Marcus Davenport with
Speaker 1: the Saints. No, I think it's just gonna take time
Speaker 1: with him. I mean, he coming from UTSA, he would
Speaker 1: like I don't think he was worth what the Saints
Speaker 1: gave up to get him. I mean because yeah, two
Speaker 1: first round picks basically, yeah, But I still I think
Speaker 1: Davenport was a top fifteen pick in that draft. So
Speaker 1: I had no problem with where he went. But it's
Speaker 1: going to take some time because he's still figuring things
Speaker 1: out how to use his hand. If you see flashes
Speaker 1: with the Saints, it's just it's not all there yet.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, by year two, it will
Speaker 1: be much closer than how we see things through you know,
Speaker 1: the first half of the season, which and well, again
Speaker 1: it circumstances or everything though, because when you give up
Speaker 1: that kind of capital to get a guy, you probably
Speaker 1: expect a little bit more than that. But I don't
Speaker 1: know how really, It's just it's unfair to the player,
Speaker 1: which and we talked for four months about how raw
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, and so he's got he got two
Speaker 1: sacks through six games. I mean, I don't five tackles.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not good. But yeah, they pay him
Speaker 1: to get sacks, right, I'm just what I'm saying though
Speaker 1: he has more sacks than him right now, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: ain't great. That ain't great. How about Shot Penny at
Speaker 1: Seattle at one twenty seven. That was a head scratcher
Speaker 1: when the move was made. You know, it just we
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thought he was a first round
Speaker 1: pick in this room. No, Brian y'all had him in
Speaker 1: the third, third round, Yeah, exactly. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, injuries have been an issue with him. Chris
Speaker 1: Carson's playing better in Seattle. I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: that was a confusing pick. Then it's a confusing pick now.
Speaker 1: I think that's another team that would like a do
Speaker 1: over there. How about how about Kevin Bryant from Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Didn't see a lot of him when we played the
Speaker 1: Jags a couple weeks ago. Tackles, Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that's more of a case of that they got a
Speaker 1: good defensive line. But he's part of the rotation. No,
Speaker 1: he's not getting enough snaps to really maximize what he's
Speaker 1: what he can do. But yeah, that's another guy that's
Speaker 1: gonna need some time. Second round. Darius Leonard, Oh, I
Speaker 1: knew you were going to bring him up. I think
Speaker 1: he's definitely one of the player fifty four tackles and
Speaker 1: four sacks, those of fifty four solo tackles. Him and
Speaker 1: Frank Ragnow are the two players that I think have
Speaker 1: far exceeded my expectations based on what they showed in
Speaker 1: college and how we projected them forward. Credit to them
Speaker 1: because they're playing much better than I thought they could.
Speaker 1: And Darius Leonard, he's right there in the mix to
Speaker 1: be defensive Rookie of the Year with what he's been
Speaker 1: so important for that Colts defense. You know, we talk
Speaker 1: about uh Eberflus with defensive coordinator up there, former Cowboys assistant,
Speaker 1: how important the middle linebacker is to that defense. And
Speaker 1: he stepped in from day one and he's played a
Speaker 1: huge part for Annapolis. So I think they didn't have
Speaker 1: him high enough the third round. Yeah, you loved him though,
Speaker 1: I know, and I had him in the third round,
Speaker 1: and I talked about him a lot and I had
Speaker 1: him in the third Nuns just a coward move on
Speaker 1: my part. Happy, Oh, I don't be so hard herself.
Speaker 1: How about this? How about this next guy? Then? Karen Johnson,
Speaker 1: the running back from you, talked about him as a
Speaker 1: potential first round. Guy gave him a late first early
Speaker 1: second round grade. Here you go, he's outplayed every running
Speaker 1: back in front of him as a four sequon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sixty nine carries for four hundred and forty four yards,
Speaker 1: one touchdown, fifteen receptions for eighty nine yards for him. Sorry,
Speaker 1: the Lions killed it, I thought him in the second
Speaker 1: and then DeShawn Hand in the fourth. Yeah, DeShawn in hand.
Speaker 1: I gave him a second round grade. I'd love DeShawn
Speaker 1: Hand and he's playing outstanding as a rookie. Just a
Speaker 1: steal in the fourth round. DeShawn Hand almost beat the
Speaker 1: Cowboys on his own. Yeah, he was the guy that
Speaker 1: strap stripped back on that play. Yeah, and then carry on,
Speaker 1: Johnson only getting nine carries in that game. It was
Speaker 1: a miracle that they're finally smarten though. He got twenty
Speaker 1: plus touches for the first time against Miami. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they're doing that. They're finally smarten enough and realize, I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: you have Matt Stafford, You've got targets to throw to
Speaker 1: give you your running game a little bit of help,
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna let you down. I got some
Speaker 1: guys going down here. Ronald Jones at Tampa Bay two
Speaker 1: thirty eight, and I was way high on Ronald Joe.
Speaker 1: I liked him a lot. And how could you not
Speaker 1: be with the USC tape that he put together, you know,
Speaker 1: I just as a player, he's a fun guy to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at it, I had him
Speaker 1: above carry on Johnson? Am I wrong? And you know
Speaker 1: I'm so dialed in on the Cowboys? But like he's
Speaker 1: been a healthy scratch for at least a game or two, right,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been good. His numbers are seventeen carries for
Speaker 1: forty five yards. Some guys they're not ready to be professionals,
Speaker 1: and I think that's the case Jones. It's not like
Speaker 1: he's not not talented. Of course, he's talented, but he
Speaker 1: has to adapt to a more professional demeanor and do
Speaker 1: what the coaches ask of him, and so far he
Speaker 1: just hasn't been able to do that. How about this guy,
Speaker 1: Harold Landry. I was hoping you were gonna bring him
Speaker 1: up because we're gonna get to see him when the
Speaker 1: seven tackles one sack for the you know, and here's
Speaker 1: a guy if you look at again, how my board
Speaker 1: was facing. I had hint I had Chubb, Landry and
Speaker 1: Davenport as my right end guys. And that's the order
Speaker 1: I had, I believe. I remember saying I would take
Speaker 1: him at nineteen, which I mean he fell away further
Speaker 1: than that. Actually, yeah he did. He fell all the
Speaker 1: way down to sixteen tackles in a sack. I think
Speaker 1: he actually well, yeah, seven solos one sack is what
Speaker 1: he's got so far. I had chubbed Davenport and then Landry,
Speaker 1: but I still thought Landry was a top fifteen caliber player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna be. Isn't interesting to watch him and
Speaker 1: see how he develops throughout the season because curious how
Speaker 1: he fell as far as he did. The guy the
Speaker 1: tackles here in Dallas have struggled, So yeah, something to
Speaker 1: watch A guy, A guy who I was high on
Speaker 1: was this Dante Pettis out of Washington. I know you
Speaker 1: had your concerns about him, Dane, but see, and that
Speaker 1: was a perfect example of a guy that went to
Speaker 1: the deal situation. The ideal law offense. Uh now hasn't
Speaker 1: really played all that well well, and I'm part of
Speaker 1: that's his quarterback going down season ending injury, Garoppolo, So
Speaker 1: you know that that obviously hurts, but I thought he
Speaker 1: went to a good situation. I think he's he's set
Speaker 1: up well to have some success in San Francisco. Okay,
Speaker 1: all this now, where do you feel like with Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: How do you feel like Connor Williams is in relation
Speaker 1: to what the what we've kind of talked about so
Speaker 1: far these guys, and I mean, people want he pretty
Speaker 1: much just been flatline right now? Or is it? Uh?
Speaker 1: I think he's been fine. I don't want you probably,
Speaker 1: I guess you're not going to rave about him. Right
Speaker 1: He's not gonna make the Pro Bowl as a rookie.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, go back and listen to what
Speaker 1: we said about the guy. I think everything that's happening
Speaker 1: is pretty much in line with y'all's scouting report. Like
Speaker 1: he struggles with power, he's got to adapt to the
Speaker 1: strength of the NFL game. But and I'll I'll say
Speaker 1: this till I'm blue in the face. He's played well
Speaker 1: more often than he's played BADR was playing a new
Speaker 1: position too. Yeah that and yeah, I mean he's moving
Speaker 1: inside and somebody, uh it was probably I think it
Speaker 1: was on my show. Derek was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: he's not picking it up as quick as Zack Martin is, Like, well,
Speaker 1: let's pick six, pick sixteen, verse pick fifty, different player
Speaker 1: though too different player with as far as the power
Speaker 1: of stuff, and that the top of that twenty fourteen
Speaker 1: draft is something else. I don't know how often y'all
Speaker 1: go back and look at that, but Zack Martin would
Speaker 1: have been drafted higher in what was already a loaded draft.
Speaker 1: Was Becke Buckham and Aaron Donald Jawn. Yeah. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a nice collection and talent. But I mean, am I wrong?
Speaker 1: Like I'm not disappointed in the Connor Williams pick at all. No,
Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. I'm gonna go through.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bounce into the third round real quick. Here.
Speaker 1: The guy kind of picked out was Fred Warner, the
Speaker 1: line road from down to the linebacker from from BYU
Speaker 1: playing like a stud. Yeah, forty two forty two solo
Speaker 1: tackles there for the forty yards, and we kind of
Speaker 1: talked about him as a hybrid type player, right, a
Speaker 1: guy that could cover it is. And I don't want
Speaker 1: a second guess, I really because I think they did
Speaker 1: a good job. But these were guys, you know, Leonard
Speaker 1: and Warner were both guys. It's like, well, if you
Speaker 1: don't get vander Esh or Rashaun Evans in the first round, yea,
Speaker 1: these are options later. And so it is interesting that,
Speaker 1: um that both those guys are playing so well. Leonard
Speaker 1: obviously went what pick was Warner. Warner was three seventy,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't even fall far enough for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to have taken him. But I'm just I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: like an alternate reality where like it's Calvin Ridley and
Speaker 1: Fred Warner instead of Layton Vandersh and Michael Gallup. But
Speaker 1: okavin as doesn't he out He was fifty six on
Speaker 1: my board, So I would have taken Fred Warrener in
Speaker 1: the second round, no problem. Yeah, And he's I just
Speaker 1: seek the tape was too good on him. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about Michael Gallop for the Cowboys. Ten receptions, one hundred
Speaker 1: nine yards, one touchdown. They need to get him the
Speaker 1: ball more, don't they? David. I mean if I if
Speaker 1: like I said, if we'd had this show three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I would have been like, does he deserve the ball more?
Speaker 1: Like he? You know, uh, miscus against Carolina, missqu against
Speaker 1: Seattle that cost dack an interception. You know, route running problems,
Speaker 1: you know where he'd went out of bounds against the
Speaker 1: Giants on what could have been a big gain. So
Speaker 1: it was a rough start for him. But this is
Speaker 1: two or three games in a row now, especially against Washington,
Speaker 1: where he's looking like a guy who he sees the
Speaker 1: light coming on, which hopefully that continues because especially with
Speaker 1: a Marie Cooper on this lineup now, I think this
Speaker 1: could be big for him. Yeah. Well, wide receiver is
Speaker 1: historically one of the positions it takes the longest to
Speaker 1: adapt to NFL life because you're on the outside. You're
Speaker 1: not used to facing six foot corners who run faster
Speaker 1: than you. Right, you know how many of those guys
Speaker 1: did Michael Gallant face in the Mountain West, And so
Speaker 1: developing chemistry with your quarterback facing press coverage better athlete
Speaker 1: at the cornerback position, it's a lot harder, So it
Speaker 1: takes time. What if Marie Cooper did as a as
Speaker 1: a rookie in the NFL, that's not normal, right, I
Speaker 1: mean Odell Beckham did it his rookie It's not normal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean, look at twenty seventeen, the three wide
Speaker 1: receivers taken in the top ten that year. Corey Davis,
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, and John Ross. None of the three. Check them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: check this out, guys. I'd actually did a deep dive
Speaker 1: on this for a column I wrote about the Cooper trade.
Speaker 1: I went back and looked every receiver drafted since twenty ten.
Speaker 1: I looked at their production. I just I just said
Speaker 1: an arbitrary baseline of like sixty catches a thousand yards,
Speaker 1: just kind of as just a baseline. Out of two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two receivers drafted, forty nine of them
Speaker 1: have hit that mark at some point in their career.
Speaker 1: Only thirty one did it within the first two years
Speaker 1: of their career. And then I broke it down by round.
Speaker 1: Of those thirty one, thirteen of them were first round picks.
Speaker 1: I think four of them were second round picks, and
Speaker 1: only three of them were third round picks. Like the
Speaker 1: number it goes unless you're drafting at the top of
Speaker 1: the first round and the odds that you're getting that
Speaker 1: production quickly from a receiver are not good. Did you
Speaker 1: have the number of receivers that were actually hiking in
Speaker 1: the first round? Twenty nine? So thirteen of twenty nine
Speaker 1: thirteen of twenty, not even half, and then in the
Speaker 1: second round it's like four out of thirty. I think,
Speaker 1: so if you're the cowboy, then in the third round
Speaker 1: it's three out of forty or something. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: so that you need the cowboys. You're looking at this, right,
Speaker 1: I mean you're looking at those You're looking at those
Speaker 1: statistics and saying which I think, Yeah, so it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprising that if Gallup needs time to do that.
Speaker 1: But then on top of that, we've heard Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: say at fifty times this week. Is that's why they
Speaker 1: were interested in Amari Cooper is in their mind at least.
Speaker 1: And we'll get to that too, but we gotta we
Speaker 1: got to see him do it. But they're hopefully he
Speaker 1: doesn't need that learning curve because he's already done it,
Speaker 1: as opposed to even to Dane's point, you draft a
Speaker 1: guy in the first round, there's still only a forty
Speaker 1: percent chance that he actually does what you want him to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. We're gonna get into some wide
Speaker 1: receivers here at the end. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: some guys to look at. Okay, just a real quick
Speaker 1: here too, before we get out of here for a
Speaker 1: break for real quick. I just want to point out
Speaker 1: some guys. The Houston Texans took that key Ki Kuti
Speaker 1: fourth round, one oh three. I think I was really
Speaker 1: hard on him. I didn't, I didn't. I didn't have
Speaker 1: him right. He was a slot only guy who was
Speaker 1: playing wellness lot for Houston. I mean, yeah, they're not
Speaker 1: using him the way he would be used here. No
Speaker 1: where he was taken go into the fifth round. Maurice Hurst,
Speaker 1: has it really played very well in Oakland? You know,
Speaker 1: we talked about him, I had anybody in. I said,
Speaker 1: it's so hard to evaluate anything going on with Oakland
Speaker 1: right now. Chaquem Griffin another one in Seattle. Only three tackles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah. Yeah, And I talk about then I go in,
Speaker 1: maybe a guy that JENNARDA. Avery, the kid from Memphis.
Speaker 1: I kind of had him as a guy. I had
Speaker 1: him in that mix of linebackers with with with let's
Speaker 1: see Smith, Edmonds, Griffin, Jefferson Warner, and then let me
Speaker 1: look in the inside, let me look at inside backers.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Vander Esh, Jewel, Avery, Leonard were the guys
Speaker 1: I kind of had there. They're all kind of everybody's
Speaker 1: kind of holding up in that spot right there right
Speaker 1: Avery can discussion is fascinating to me because I gave
Speaker 1: him a fifth round grade. I was law on him,
Speaker 1: and I went back, and he's playing well for the Browns.
Speaker 1: I went back and read my report and I was, Okay,
Speaker 1: wrote better than you talk about him. Well, I thought
Speaker 1: I nailed him. My report, I thought was exactly what
Speaker 1: we're seeing with Cleveland the So I thought the evaluation
Speaker 1: was right. My valuation on him in terms of, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, because I mean I was groomed all along
Speaker 1: that you know, top one hundred, pick those me to
Speaker 1: be your starters first three rounds. Sure, but Avery, because
Speaker 1: he's not a starter for the Browns. No, he's coming
Speaker 1: off the bench as a nickel rusher. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's and that's what he's I mean, So I think
Speaker 1: that's probably what he's always going to be because he's
Speaker 1: not a very good run defender. I don't like him
Speaker 1: off the ball in space, so you're gonna just, you know,
Speaker 1: let him pin his ears back and get after the
Speaker 1: quarterback on passing downs. And so the value on something
Speaker 1: like that is worth a top three round even though
Speaker 1: he's not a starter. Even though he's not gonna have
Speaker 1: the number of snaps that you want, his ability to
Speaker 1: impact the game makes him worthy of top one hundred consideration.
Speaker 1: So I thought I got my evaluation right on him.
Speaker 1: It's the valuation that I thought, that's where I was off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's you know, that's sometimes that happens to you though.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that's I've written. I've written players before
Speaker 1: and then and put a grade on him, and I've
Speaker 1: gone and I went back and reading them again, I go,
Speaker 1: what the hell was I think? What was I doing?
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is not a fourth round I
Speaker 1: mean I wrote him like he's a third round guy.
Speaker 1: I mean I wrote him he's a second round round,
Speaker 1: you know. And then there's some guys you write too high.
Speaker 1: I mean, Josie Jules played well at Denver, but but
Speaker 1: I probably wrote him too high for what he was
Speaker 1: for me putting him in the second round. If everything
Speaker 1: panned out the way I was supposed to, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be that interesting. Now we're gonna that's all, that's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. We're gonna make this interest all right.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, then we come back.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure we get some of your
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Speaker 1: we call it Twitter on the twenty. I know we're
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Speaker 1: David start really broad and we can narrow it down. Sure.
Speaker 1: First question from c J. Yeah, Cowboys top three needs
Speaker 1: going into the offseason? What do you got? I think
Speaker 1: the tight end is clearly going to be one. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have to look at a safety here.
Speaker 1: And if they have they done enough? Have they done enough?
Speaker 1: Are they going to have to get another wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Are they gonna have to get another? I mean, if
Speaker 1: you start moving on from guys now, what happens to
Speaker 1: Cole be easily? What you know is that gonna be? I?
Speaker 1: You know, I I but you know, I'm I'm fortunately
Speaker 1: I'm looking at like the offensive line a little bit. Yep,
Speaker 1: But but that's you feel I feel pretty good about
Speaker 1: what's going on the defensive line. I feel like what's
Speaker 1: going going along well with the linebackers, the defensive defensive tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be. Is it more so than if you
Speaker 1: just re overhaul this wide receiver corps, Because if it
Speaker 1: turns in, if it turns into Gallop, if it turns
Speaker 1: into Gallop and Cooper and whoever and who else, well
Speaker 1: you got Gallop, you got Cooper for sure, right, Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley's in a contract year, right, Hard to imagine Alan
Speaker 1: Hearne for another year, Herns for another year. Hard to imagine.
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams has not no, he no, hard to imagine that. Um,
Speaker 1: who am I? Deante Thompson's a free agent? Yeah? Uh,
Speaker 1: Lance Lenore, Cedric Wilson got hurt. Wilson got hurt in
Speaker 1: the in the preseason. That's a good catch game. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So to me, I'm just kind of looking at this
Speaker 1: some some people probably say, oh, we'll quarterback, but you
Speaker 1: know you got Mike White. We've talked about Mike White
Speaker 1: a bunch. Let's I mean, we don't have to spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time the decision to trade for Cooper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's or starter in twenty nineteen. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, I don't I don't disagree with
Speaker 1: you there. I don't know what else you would do. Okay,
Speaker 1: but that's am I right? With the first two? Then
Speaker 1: where do you way receive? Like you need depth? Put three,
Speaker 1: I put it three. You put it at three. I
Speaker 1: put it three, I put I put put tight in
Speaker 1: safety and all right? And then wide receiver? Where three?
Speaker 1: Where was wide receiver before the Amari Cooper trade. One. Yeah, one,
Speaker 1: So now adding Amark Cooper is only knocked it down
Speaker 1: to three then for you. Yeah, okay, now, let me'll
Speaker 1: tell me this again. In your top thirty two, you
Speaker 1: have one wide receiver? Am I right about that? You
Speaker 1: have two? A J. Brown's number twenty ole mis ole
Speaker 1: miss and then Hollywood Browns thirty two. Okay, which don't
Speaker 1: ask what the natural question is because we're gonna get
Speaker 1: to that and okay, but okay, defensive tackle worries me
Speaker 1: because David Irving, who knows. I think David Irman's gone.
Speaker 1: I think so too. Yeah, well, okay, that's a starter. Right.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna pay to Marcus Lawrence? I think they are.
Speaker 1: I think that. Yeah. I give them a little bit
Speaker 1: of help with a guy in the middle who's gonna
Speaker 1: take some pressure off on him on the edge. That
Speaker 1: might be your second round. Guy. I hate to say this,
Speaker 1: and this is this is a thing the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: going to have to figure out. But like, I'm curious
Speaker 1: about the center position. But that is not that is
Speaker 1: that is a great point and you don't even think
Speaker 1: about because Travis Frederick for so many years has just
Speaker 1: lined up and played Joe Looney's under contract for next year.
Speaker 1: That's right, but it's I mean, you got to think
Speaker 1: about that. And I hate to say it because I'm
Speaker 1: pulling for Travis Frederick and that's it's not fair what
Speaker 1: happened to him. But that's the reality. Yeah, Um, okay, well,
Speaker 1: which okay, Dana, real quick, Davis. Everybody's a periscope right now.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys. Everybody's firing questions in there
Speaker 1: on periscope and if you say any I know I
Speaker 1: will thank you though for doing this. Thank you for
Speaker 1: playing along with us. We appreciate that, Aaron says, and
Speaker 1: guests in big time here. Aaron says, you know, free
Speaker 1: agency in the draft go hand in hand. How could
Speaker 1: you see the Cowboys spending what looks to be their
Speaker 1: biggest windfall in free agency money in a long time
Speaker 1: ahead of the draft And obvious, I mean that's gonna
Speaker 1: affect what you do obviously. Yeah, we could this be
Speaker 1: when you go out and you get you take care
Speaker 1: of my safety position with Earl Thomas sixty seven projected
Speaker 1: sixty five ish sixty seven ish million dollars, fourteen of
Speaker 1: it is now going to Amari Cooper, right, I really
Speaker 1: I can't. I hope the Cowboys extend to Marcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I think they think he deserves it. I think he's
Speaker 1: he's too good playing the run and there in the past. No,
Speaker 1: he's been, he's become a leader. So no, that's absolutely
Speaker 1: half of your cap space accounted for with those two players.
Speaker 1: But you could get a safety earl Thomas. I mean
Speaker 1: that sounds expensive to me. It's gonna be interesting coming
Speaker 1: off the broken leg. I think he'll be fine. No,
Speaker 1: I I I'm saying. I know what you're saying. In
Speaker 1: terms of paying him. You know, it's the same contract.
Speaker 1: Yeah that you were thinking, uh in a trade in
Speaker 1: terms of the extension, yeah, or you know, is it
Speaker 1: reset now? And I could see this guy coming in
Speaker 1: here for like signing a three year deal, you know,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and just yeah, I think you can get
Speaker 1: ready for that. Get ready for that. I think I
Speaker 1: think that's coming. Can't time stamp this for me? Please? Well? Hey,
Speaker 1: I go back and listen to all the shows. Yeah
Speaker 1: you do, I do. I went back and listen to
Speaker 1: eighteen hours or driving. Brian re listens to our shows
Speaker 1: while he works out, just to give you that mental image. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Okay, um, okay, we talked about tight end.
Speaker 1: That's let's let's bank some tight ends here. I'm glad. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: that is obviously going to be a question question. Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 1: He says tight end candidates to get excited about. But
Speaker 1: before Dane does that, yeah, I just want to point
Speaker 1: out tight end is not a position at second round.
Speaker 1: It doesn't translate quickly, it does it. What's Mike Giseki
Speaker 1: doing right now? Squat? I think it's like seventeen catches
Speaker 1: your seventeen? No way he did? Yeah, No, seventeen catch, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it does. I think he does. That's so that's no. No.
Speaker 1: I looked up the numbers. I looked I thought I
Speaker 1: looked up the numbers on looked up in Pro Football Reference.
Speaker 1: That's I thought it was. It's thirteen seventeen somewhere. He's
Speaker 1: got double digit catches. He's not light in the world
Speaker 1: on unless he's rushing the ball for thirteen times or
Speaker 1: something like that. I thought for some reason I looked
Speaker 1: him up and they're probably right. I hope I am,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to embarrass myself. Twelve twelve catches
Speaker 1: for one hundred and thirty two yards. Okay, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: not light in the world on fire, which no, neither
Speaker 1: is Dallas Garter r Hurst. Maybe, and I want to
Speaker 1: hear these names, but maybe that's a position where you
Speaker 1: could spend a little money in free agency and just
Speaker 1: get a veteran guy that knows what he's doing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you need James Hannah, I need I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I can't even think of a name. But just bring
Speaker 1: me a veteran guy who's capable of starting. Okay, this
Speaker 1: tight end, the senior class is very underwhelming at tight end,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna need some help from the underclassman guy Missouri,
Speaker 1: and that there's a lot of underclassmen that we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about. Noah Fans the top guy I mentioned him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: right right, possible first round pick. He's in that Evan
Speaker 1: ingram mold. He'll give you a little bit as a blocker,
Speaker 1: but really you want him on the outside using as
Speaker 1: an athleticism as a receiver. That's that's where you want him.
Speaker 1: I think he's a possible top thirty two guy. Cayton
Speaker 1: Smith is the best all around blocker the Stanford tight
Speaker 1: end he can now cringing. Well, yeah, I know, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, and yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: guy we talked about. Don't don't write off Dalton shows. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just not. But I just know that
Speaker 1: our fans out there are going, oh god, Stanford brought us.
Speaker 1: You know, we went down on that road. Remember zach
Speaker 1: Ertz went to Stanford two Yeah, sure, no, that's absolutely right. Uh.
Speaker 1: He Cayton Smith is to me the best all around
Speaker 1: tight end with what he can do block end, what
Speaker 1: he can do as a receiver down the seam. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's a guy to keep an eye on. Mitchell Wilcox
Speaker 1: from South Florida who we watched really athletic tight end,
Speaker 1: strong hands, works the middle of the field. Well, uh
Speaker 1: needs some work as a blocker, but I watched him
Speaker 1: with you though. You're right about that. This guy does
Speaker 1: work the middle of field pretty well. He does. I
Speaker 1: like he's the guy that moves the chains. He does
Speaker 1: six four two forty six is what he is. Um
Speaker 1: Irv Smith from Alabama, he is, he is. He the
Speaker 1: son of the great Irv Smith that played Yes Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Yes he is Okay, yes, Bloodlins, that goes. I'm now
Speaker 1: real old. Yes, scouted his dad when Patrick's certain watch
Speaker 1: him playing. That makes me feel old. Patrick's his son,
Speaker 1: his son, His son's a corner Atbama. Yeah he spurns.
Speaker 1: He spurned LSU. Yeah, oh did he? Yeah we'll find
Speaker 1: out about that. And yeah next week from Saturday. Another
Speaker 1: guy from Iowa, t J. Hawkinson, retard sophomore. He's that
Speaker 1: George kittle mold where he's gonna get after you as
Speaker 1: a blocker. But he's also a pretty capable receiver as well.
Speaker 1: So I was got two guys and they feature both
Speaker 1: prominently in that offense. So, Chuck, I think I was
Speaker 1: playing Penn State this weekend in Happy Valley. Check out
Speaker 1: that game to see Hawkinson. Hawkinson's what thirty number eight,
Speaker 1: number thirty eight and no offense eighty seven. So check
Speaker 1: those two guys. So you say fenn is the first
Speaker 1: rounder and then the and then Hawk. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's somewhere in that second maybe probably, I mean and
Speaker 1: only rising. I mean the more I see him him,
Speaker 1: the more I'm like, Okay, this guy, like the Missouri
Speaker 1: kid I didn't have as a first or second. It's
Speaker 1: Albert and it's a crazy last name. Folks. They call
Speaker 1: him Albert. Oh yeah, Alberto. They asked you so he
Speaker 1: could laughing. No, No, he doesn't know it either though.
Speaker 1: And if somebody out there knows how to pronounce and
Speaker 1: you know how to pronounce, take a stab at it,
Speaker 1: dan ol boom wog boom, Yeah, the boom Alberto, that's
Speaker 1: what Alberto. And then you mentioned Mitchell Wilcox is another one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and for the for the Texas Faithful or the State
Speaker 1: of Texas faithful, Jay Sternberger. Yeah, he's he's a leaner guy,
Speaker 1: but really good after the catch. Just that's the South
Speaker 1: Carolina safety he dragged for, you know, twenty five yards. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, he's the guy who transferred from Kansas. He's
Speaker 1: getting better and better. He's more of a rocked up
Speaker 1: receiver than a true in line tight end, but he's
Speaker 1: in that mix in terms of the underclassman that can
Speaker 1: really help this tight end class. Eighty three percent of
Speaker 1: our fans listeners on the pot on the app say
Speaker 1: that our first pick should be a tight end. Seventeen
Speaker 1: percent say safety. There are no votes for any See
Speaker 1: this is what we what do we start the draft? Show?
Speaker 1: Last year talking about guards. Right starts about guards. What
Speaker 1: did it win? Yeah? Yeah, get ready, folks, we'll see
Speaker 1: talking about two first rounders to go get Quinton Nelson,
Speaker 1: good player. Which this goes back to another which thing?
Speaker 1: Did you have another percentage for second position? There? Safety
Speaker 1: was at seventeen? And then we got some smart folks
Speaker 1: out there. That's what people want to hear about when okay,
Speaker 1: good job folks. Question from Ivan really get into the
Speaker 1: heart of the matter here, got to make your hay
Speaker 1: and rounds two and three. He wants to know what
Speaker 1: are the deepest positions you know at the top For that,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say right now with it is early.
Speaker 1: We don't know the underclassmen are going to come out.
Speaker 1: That changed everything and that'll push guys. I think we
Speaker 1: just generally talk about the most the strongest position potentially
Speaker 1: with Andrew classman, defensive tackle is the first one easy
Speaker 1: my top thirty two boards. There you go. Literally had
Speaker 1: happened last year though, didn't it? Another question where we
Speaker 1: like not all these guys were chure leading. We're trying
Speaker 1: to We're trying to get what I'm saying. I'm talking
Speaker 1: these guys. Ron Payne kicked our ass like three days.
Speaker 1: No doubt about defensive defensive line this year is gonna
Speaker 1: be stronger than we've had the last few years. Tackle
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, well, I include the pass rushers. I saw
Speaker 1: that kid from Alabama, Quinn Willims, number ninety two is
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy. Okay, yeah, you start right there. He's not lying.
Speaker 1: Oh good, he is not lying. At Oliver is a freak.
Speaker 1: I mean you could play him that. He is not.
Speaker 1: He is not. He is not. It's unfair to compare
Speaker 1: him to Aaron Donald. He's not Aaron Donald. No, what
Speaker 1: about what about Sue? That's the other one. I hear
Speaker 1: the two Oliver and Sue. Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: small small Yeah, what's two hundred seventy pounds there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: at Oliver he during the summer he was too se
Speaker 1: twenty six to two seventy eight. Yeah, you put him
Speaker 1: on the nose. Yeah, but by the combine he'll be
Speaker 1: up to two eighty five probably. But he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be a three hundred pound guy. That's not who do
Speaker 1: some questions about how fast he really is though? Does
Speaker 1: he He doesn't? He plays really quick, really show like
Speaker 1: you know, At Oliver, At Oliver I come on here
Speaker 1: and it's like and so he's seeing good. By the
Speaker 1: way this SPOSA kid can play. I'm just telling you,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on record say kid can play. I
Speaker 1: will say this with you're not gonna fall. So you know,
Speaker 1: the last how many years I've been doing this, it
Speaker 1: does happen from time to time where my number one
Speaker 1: player in the preseason or like you know, year before,
Speaker 1: all the way through Miles Garrett heart he was my
Speaker 1: number one player as soon as the twenty and seventeen
Speaker 1: draft ended, Miles Garrett or ten and sixteen draft. Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett is my number one player for the two and
Speaker 1: seventeen draft. This year, I think it's gonna be the
Speaker 1: same thing with Nick Bosa. I will say that Quinnin
Speaker 1: Williams has a chance to compete for that him and
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. If Herbert's in this draft, how about how
Speaker 1: about a defensive tackle going one overall? It's not that
Speaker 1: far fast. Okay, Okay, but since yeah wilkomes Okay, who
Speaker 1: he thinks gonna projection? Raiders or Giants? Giants? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean giants. Forty Niners are gonna have a strong quarterback.
Speaker 1: Donate a quarterback. Well, okay, that's another question, because if
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's not in this draft, good chance we don't
Speaker 1: see a quarterback top ten. There you go, and Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert's gonna look And there's a chatter lately about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has no idea whether he's coming or going. At
Speaker 1: this time last year, Sam Darnold's staying him play the
Speaker 1: day he pitched pitching around pretty well, he was the
Speaker 1: top quarterback. Plus, y um, Dan's just very mad. Shut up,
Speaker 1: shut a bull man scout. Sorry us. He's a best
Speaker 1: that's so cavalier over the years. But no, Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: he's his situations different. You know, Darnold looked around that
Speaker 1: locker room at the end of last year and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: why am I coming back? Yeah, the offensive line's terrible,
Speaker 1: all my weapons are moving on. It's a young team,
Speaker 1: and he made the right choice for him with Herbert.
Speaker 1: It's not that way. He's got a lot of guys
Speaker 1: coming back at Oregon. Plus, his little brother is gonna
Speaker 1: be a true freshman. He's a Eugene kid. I think
Speaker 1: he's a big part of him wants to see Oregon
Speaker 1: be a very productive team. A very successful team in
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. There's a good chance that Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: goes back. And if that happens, then again, we're talking
Speaker 1: about a quarterback class where your top quarterback is going
Speaker 1: to be maybe walk from Missouri. So he wants nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the Giants. You would start that, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1: He's like, uh, why, Okay, that's dumb though, like that, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if he goes back, if he goes
Speaker 1: back to school, it's not because he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: thin Matt Matt Leiner had been the first overall pick
Speaker 1: in the draft of his class probably and he went
Speaker 1: back senior year, right, and he got picked tenth. You
Speaker 1: can't say that first. I'm just throwing it out there.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now. I don't think Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: cares at all whether he's a first pick or he's
Speaker 1: going high. He knows that. I don't think he cares.
Speaker 1: Take out a big insurance policy and he'll be just
Speaker 1: fine for a senior year. Right. But the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: draft clas class, which if things don't work out here,
Speaker 1: Cowboys could be interested there. You go to it from Alabama,
Speaker 1: you're talking about Justin Herbert, that twenty twenty draft class
Speaker 1: is going to be loaded with quarterbacks, not this draft class,
Speaker 1: depending on what Justin Herbert does. All right, and that's
Speaker 1: I'm derailing it. But that right, there's why Dak Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott will be your quarterback. Not that one of the reasons. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Not that the Cowboys are pulling the plug on that
Speaker 1: in or do I think they should. But he's under contract.
Speaker 1: You can ride that thing out. And if you are
Speaker 1: convinced you need a quarterback in twenty twenty, I like
Speaker 1: your odds a lot better based just based on the
Speaker 1: way it's stacked. And if it didn't work out, good
Speaker 1: chance you were in a draft position to go get one.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. One more question, Yeah, yeah, I do
Speaker 1: from Adam. Thank you, Adam, appreciate you. Does the level
Speaker 1: of play of the offensive tackles on this team concern
Speaker 1: you to the point that you we didn't talk about
Speaker 1: that as a need? Well, I don't. What are you
Speaker 1: raising your eyes for. I'm interested to hear your answer
Speaker 1: to that. That's say what they've struggled, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do technique, but I
Speaker 1: think the I think the right tackle has struggled the
Speaker 1: most because of because of a technique switch. I think
Speaker 1: that's I think that's No, I think that's been a
Speaker 1: big problem. So he was playing at a very high
Speaker 1: level at the end of the year, and you don't worry.
Speaker 1: You don't worry about him as a talent. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. You don't envision a scenario where tackle will
Speaker 1: be a top five need for this team in the
Speaker 1: next year's draft. I don't think so. The thing with
Speaker 1: Tyren Smith, I don't think he has a back problem,
Speaker 1: but I think he's got stiffness because of his back problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. I think that's robbed him of some
Speaker 1: of his flexibility, some of his core strength and power
Speaker 1: that he used to have. But no, I'm you know what,
Speaker 1: trusts me. The New York Giants would love to have
Speaker 1: either one of these offensive tackles right now. That's and
Speaker 1: a lot of teams would. But by the day, I
Speaker 1: think they're better than Yeah, I think you need to
Speaker 1: figure out there could very well be a change at
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Here with that, I think
Speaker 1: that I would, I would go with that. So, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go We're gonna go a little longer today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break right now. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I want to get in some names with Dane Burglar
Speaker 1: that some guys that we need to look. I know,
Speaker 1: we did a little bit on the Twitter of the
Speaker 1: twenty and we appreciate that. So we come back. Dave
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Speaker 1: SWBC Morgange Studios. You do have the draft show for
Speaker 1: a few more minutes here, Uh, Dame Brugler, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: K Garrison, Executive producing, Brian Bruss Again, appreciate everybody out
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Speaker 1: lot of people don't have the opportunity to catch us
Speaker 1: live as going, but we look forward to the game
Speaker 1: playing guys. Is really we've come back usually the week
Speaker 1: before the Senior Bowl, so right around a playoff time
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Speaker 1: and we'll have guys you know, Jeff Kavanaugh and Kevin
Speaker 1: Turner joined us along the way as well. But we're
Speaker 1: gonna do everything we can to get you caught up
Speaker 1: on everything doing at the draft. So I wanted also
Speaker 1: now to look and again thank you for folks at
Speaker 1: Miller Lite too, for being along with us, and Ess
Speaker 1: Lore and all those people that do stuff for us. Dan,
Speaker 1: I want you to we asked the question about defensive
Speaker 1: tackles as potentially as part of a need. You said
Speaker 1: it is one of the deepest positions. Let's kind of
Speaker 1: start there. It kind of kind of walk us through
Speaker 1: some names, and I know we again we're not talking
Speaker 1: about you want to mention the first round names, but
Speaker 1: kind of go through a list of guys that we
Speaker 1: kind of need to keep an eye on. Well, we
Speaker 1: talked about Quinn and Williams and Oliver already. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: two men are bad. They're gonna be off off the
Speaker 1: board in top five. And then you've got Jeffrey Simmons
Speaker 1: from Mississippi State, who is just couldn't block him the
Speaker 1: other day against He's a grown man. Yeah, but off
Speaker 1: the field stuff, maybe something there, some off the field
Speaker 1: stuff that could be an issue. Maybe get him the
Speaker 1: second round. I love how you thought. I how can
Speaker 1: I get into the Cowboys? Yeah, exactly, go ahead. Clemson's
Speaker 1: got a pair of guys Dexter Lawrence and um, who's
Speaker 1: the other guy one forgetting Wilkins Christian Wilkins. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins is more of the undersized, penetrating, get up field.
Speaker 1: He's got that flexibility, he's got the voter plays well
Speaker 1: versus run because of those chase skills. Dexter Lawrence is
Speaker 1: more of the big body, you know, plug the gaps,
Speaker 1: gonna hold up double teams, that kind of thing. And
Speaker 1: that's that's for me. Dexter Lawrence. I understand why some
Speaker 1: people think he's a top ten pick, but again for me,
Speaker 1: if you don't have past rush value and Dexter Lawrence doesn't,
Speaker 1: that's why I don't want you in a top twenty.
Speaker 1: But that will be an interesting one. Uh. Other defensive
Speaker 1: tackles talked about rake Uan Davis from Alabama, Derek Brown Auburn. Uh,
Speaker 1: SEC's a loaded Yeah, that's what I thought the SEC traditionally,
Speaker 1: Jean kin Law from South Carolina. There we go. Draymond
Speaker 1: Jones from Ohio State's uh. He's kind of the at
Speaker 1: Oliver Light, you know, not not quite on Oliver's level,
Speaker 1: but he's the guy in the middle of late first round.
Speaker 1: You can probably get uh in that type of players.
Speaker 1: So defensive tackle, if the juniors come out like we
Speaker 1: expect them too, it's gonna be a loaded position. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be loaded, so it'd be pretty deep there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and well, and that's the thing. If you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: You're okay, defensive tackle one's gonna get pushed down the board. No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: do you monitor that and see, Okay, is it time
Speaker 1: to pounce? Yeah, get a guy you really like it?
Speaker 1: How can I Yeah, let's we're gonna talk a lot
Speaker 1: about trying to get back into the first right. Oh no,
Speaker 1: we're absolutely. I mean when we get the strategy time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna figure out a way to get
Speaker 1: up in there. We didn't call me a coward for
Speaker 1: not one. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't like I don't
Speaker 1: have as many assets, so I'm willing to get crazy
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, go all in to help help out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if we signed Earl Thomas, yeah, then yeah,
Speaker 1: it takes care of one of your needs. Right, Maybe
Speaker 1: we get a tight end too, and then I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's trade up and get this pass rusher with on
Speaker 1: that um the position we kind of we hinted on
Speaker 1: a little bit about wide receiver. We didn't feel like
Speaker 1: that there was there was most most of those guys
Speaker 1: are bottom of the well, not most of but a
Speaker 1: couple in the bottom of the first round. Well, and
Speaker 1: you and I watched him, Yeah, a lot of people
Speaker 1: really like uh Nikkil Harry from Arizona State. Well, I
Speaker 1: think he's a huge, but he's slow. That's it. He
Speaker 1: struggles so slow to uncover. Yeah. I got to see
Speaker 1: him in person this year Washington they played They played
Speaker 1: Washington while it was a great experience, but Washington Secondary
Speaker 1: absolutely blanketed him like he couldn't do anything. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing is he's he's a big guy. He's really
Speaker 1: good in contested situations. He's got strong hands, physical, he'll
Speaker 1: do some things after the catch just because he's so
Speaker 1: big and physical. But he's not going to create space. No,
Speaker 1: he's not. That's a big red flag. Yeah, I didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, I was watching him. I didn't see some
Speaker 1: They tried him with some double move stuff and he
Speaker 1: didn't even have the quickness to kind of you know
Speaker 1: where they were like the corner was like, okay, keep moving,
Speaker 1: keep trying. You know. It didn't It didn't affect him
Speaker 1: at all. He's also he was also facing one of
Speaker 1: the best corners in the nation, Byron Murphrey, who yeah
Speaker 1: tought fifteen pick. Yeah. But Riley Ridley Calvin's little brother,
Speaker 1: the junior at Georgia, who another they're talking about double
Speaker 1: moves that he's a really clean route runner. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: not a burst player. You know, his speed. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have the burst that Calvin does, but he's a little bigger,
Speaker 1: a little more physical, and so there's a trade off.
Speaker 1: There's not a he's not as smooth as Calvin is
Speaker 1: running routes. I mean he's a you know, he's a
Speaker 1: detailed route runner. Yeah, you know, he's one of the
Speaker 1: better route runners I think for a college player. Calvin
Speaker 1: was just on a different level, there's no question. Yeah
Speaker 1: the missisissip Mississippi kids. Uh with a J. Brown? And
Speaker 1: then yeah, you like Brown better than Medcalf, don't you?
Speaker 1: I do? I mean Metcalf. I get why people like him.
Speaker 1: He's he's a physical freak. He's huge and he can run,
Speaker 1: but he's not very technically sound with his routes. He
Speaker 1: had some drops and yeah you watched him. Yeah, would
Speaker 1: you think put my Brown right? ORDN Like, I like
Speaker 1: Brown better than Madcalf because because I thought Brown could
Speaker 1: come out of the slot and play better. You know,
Speaker 1: but that's a big question with Brown is he's only
Speaker 1: in the slot. This guy, well, yeah, Medcalf's like six four,
Speaker 1: two thirty. He's huge, And it's I'm saying and you're
Speaker 1: and you're saying it really you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: these the Arizona say it takes these guys time to
Speaker 1: get going. Yeah, you know, and you wonder why the
Speaker 1: cowboy dak is holding on the body is because you
Speaker 1: got guys that can't get down the field right now,
Speaker 1: that's that's a problem. I know we don't love these rankings,
Speaker 1: but I see a lot of football factories and then
Speaker 1: I see Buffalo. Yeah, Anthony Johns, Anthony, Yeah, talk about
Speaker 1: him a little bit. That was might be a tell
Speaker 1: me more guy, maybe well maybe not if maybe not
Speaker 1: can sell more now. Jadeveon Clowney's cousin, guy came a
Speaker 1: big basketball player in high school. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: had some academic issues with the two different jucos and then, uh,
Speaker 1: he thought he was going to Oklahoma State that fell
Speaker 1: through Buffalo. And why does this sound like a problem. Well,
Speaker 1: it's academics, that's okay. Like he thought he was going
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma State and then like his one final credit
Speaker 1: would it transfer something like that? Um, And so I
Speaker 1: did a big story on him on the athletic you
Speaker 1: can check it out, and he wound up at Buffalo
Speaker 1: is the only school that kind of had a scholarship
Speaker 1: left for him yea. And so he ends up at
Speaker 1: Buffalo and he kind of blew up with Tyree Jackson
Speaker 1: the quarterback there. Uh not the fact I worry about
Speaker 1: the speed. He's not the fastest guy. I get. It
Speaker 1: seems to be a theme with the guys we're talking
Speaker 1: Oklhoma State tends to have those guys right in that
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State's kind of emo that we've known the last
Speaker 1: didn't didn't mention James Washington at the top of the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's off to a pretty nice start for Pittsburgh. He
Speaker 1: went to a pretty good situation where he's not he's
Speaker 1: not expected to be the guy, right, so he can
Speaker 1: even the number two guys three. Yeah, but some of
Speaker 1: these other receivers JJ are saying, a white side from
Speaker 1: Stanford like him a lot. He's kind of like a
Speaker 1: Mike Evans light. You know, he's not quite the athlete
Speaker 1: that Mike Evans is, but when you're that size, you
Speaker 1: have the basketball background, and he plays like a basketball
Speaker 1: power forward with the way can box out, high point
Speaker 1: come down with the football. Like the South Carolina receivers
Speaker 1: with Brian Edwards and Deebo Samuel, both those guys were
Speaker 1: future NFL players. And then Texas they've got two guys
Speaker 1: with little Jordan Humphrey and Colin Johnson. Yes, two tall
Speaker 1: trees that in high school I played at. He played
Speaker 1: at a south Lake Carol. He is fun to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fun. Yeah, this games on radio. All right. Let's
Speaker 1: but the all these wide receivers, I don't think any
Speaker 1: of them are top twenty guys, you know. I think
Speaker 1: they're between twenty and sixty. Yeah, you know, so I
Speaker 1: think there's good value. That's great. It's a bad thing
Speaker 1: we all know. But okay, trying to would you've been reaching?
Speaker 1: Would you maybe been reaching for a guy if you
Speaker 1: took one at fourteen? He took one, absolutely took one
Speaker 1: of my opinion, yes, yeah, no question from what we've
Speaker 1: seen right now, Like I love Hollywood Brown. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: is electric. Watched absolutely. Yeah. But he's one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy pounds. Yeah, I mean you worry about durability. Can
Speaker 1: he hold up? I mean, okay, maybe he gets like
Speaker 1: that guy in Jacksonville. Maybe he gets to one eighty. Yeah, okay, great,
Speaker 1: But how many one hundred and eighty pound receivers are
Speaker 1: there in the NFL? Who are playing at a high
Speaker 1: level consistently. It's just it's hard to do that guy
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh. Maybe how how big you see Brown? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's bigger than that. I'd say's closer one ninety. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just asking D D. D. Westbrook's doing
Speaker 1: some things he's not. I mean, he's hit and miss.
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think I think of the
Speaker 1: investment was about fourth round. Yeah, yeah, exactly because of
Speaker 1: the say it some off the field he does so.
Speaker 1: And I included Hollywood Brown at number thirty two on
Speaker 1: my board, so I think he is in the you know,
Speaker 1: he's in that first round conversation, but not a guy
Speaker 1: that I'm taking top twenty. None of these wide receivers
Speaker 1: are at this point basically what the Cowboys fans feel
Speaker 1: a lot better about this past week. Well, and this
Speaker 1: is not sugarcoat. I mean, this guy's looked at this stuff, right,
Speaker 1: And I've looked at these receivers supposed to the top
Speaker 1: ones you've seen, and I and I and I and
Speaker 1: trust me, I'm not He's right. I know I've seen
Speaker 1: some of the top I mean the kid I liked
Speaker 1: the best, honestly, was the guy that I watched today
Speaker 1: was the kids g from Ridley. Yeah, I wouldn't not
Speaker 1: be surprised if you know April comes around Riley, Ridley's
Speaker 1: wide receiver one for me. Yeah, but again, not a
Speaker 1: guy that you're talking top twenty now. Yeah, I'm certain
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to tow the company line and I'm bumblings.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. I'm bum though. We don't have a
Speaker 1: first round pick, but like I feel good and what
Speaker 1: will McClay is pretty good at this, we would say, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the scouts have been in town recently to have their
Speaker 1: you know, their first meetings since they started going out
Speaker 1: on the road. I don't think that's a coincidence that
Speaker 1: they did this deal. After that they sat down and said,
Speaker 1: we're really going to find a guy that's better than
Speaker 1: this in the first round of the draft. Yeah. Not, Okay,
Speaker 1: can take a couple of minutes, stay and give me
Speaker 1: some safeties. If we looked at some safeties, the top
Speaker 1: one's easy, that's deontape. Okay. This is again if you
Speaker 1: don't say a lot of Alabama names today, Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I know Thompson. Thompson is a good player. The number
Speaker 1: fourteen six two one. This guy's a good he's probably
Speaker 1: the best ball hawk Nick sabans had an Alabama. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is legitimate. This guy will hit you now too.
Speaker 1: He will. He's not afraid to do that. No, and
Speaker 1: he's he's got the range, he's got the instincts. He's
Speaker 1: a first year starter kind of like Quinnon Williams coming
Speaker 1: you know, he show he saw flashes last year, but
Speaker 1: really coming into his own as a as a starter
Speaker 1: this year. Um, I've heard really good things about who
Speaker 1: he is. He's already graduated. Um So Deonday Thompson's easily
Speaker 1: number one for me at least, and then after that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's another first round safety in
Speaker 1: this mix. Taylor Rat from Washington's interesting. Um, I think
Speaker 1: he might be in that first round discussion. Brandon Jones
Speaker 1: from Texas as a guy like a lot. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a first rounder, but maybe that's someone
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will be looking at second third round Day two.
Speaker 1: Uh Hudson from Michigan's another one. Abraham from Misissippi State.
Speaker 1: So there are some names, but in my mind there
Speaker 1: is only one. Uh, you know, true clear cut he's
Speaker 1: a first round player and that's that's Thompson from Alabama. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: It's funny because I like to hear that. I'm like, good,
Speaker 1: we don't. I don't care about first round playing here.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised they don't go after Rule Thomas.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be. At the very least, I wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. Is there anybody else coming up
Speaker 1: on the market? I mean, we're so far out of Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I need to I need to look at that.
Speaker 1: But now I'm trying to look at college players here.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I need I wonder. Yeah, I really I don't.
Speaker 1: You're not going to see like a Brandon car type
Speaker 1: of signing, like fifty million dollars, unless it's de Marcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: which he's there guy. But I think I think this
Speaker 1: team is not going to have a choice but to
Speaker 1: add some free agent help. Sure they are sure that,
Speaker 1: but they'll they'll I think they'll figure this out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really really do. All Right, that's it. That's all.
Speaker 1: That's a fast hour. That is a real fast hour,
Speaker 1: you know, jeez. I we were doing the draft day
Speaker 1: coverage where we do like twelve hours of this stuff.
Speaker 1: But I want to thank everybody out there. I especially
Speaker 1: want to thank our guys here, my Scouts, Dame Burglar,
Speaker 1: David Hellman. I want to thank Kent Garrison for executive producing.
Speaker 1: Also just wanting to thank I also want to thank
Speaker 1: Ed K. Hill for coming up with this idea long
Speaker 1: time ago. We appreciate Ed. We love you, we miss you.
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton for letting us go twice a week when
Speaker 1: we get down to the drafting part of it. We
Speaker 1: appreciate you that. We'll see you guys in January. In January,
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