WEBVTT - How Comic Books: Live from SXSW 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.960 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:16.639 from house stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.200 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.239 Charles W. Chuckers Bryant, and I would say about a 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:27.720 hundred people here in Austin, Texas at south By Southwest say, 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:35.159 hey people, I think uh, we figured the solution was 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.400 we were in a bigger room across the way last year. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.520 Smaller room seems fuller. Yes, I think there are probably 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.240 a few more people here, but just make the room smaller. Yeah, 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.640 that's the easiest way to go about things. So for 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.280 those of you who are just coming in on the recording, 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.080 we've already done the bantering, so we're gonna get to it, 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.040 I think, yes, Chuck, And we'll have questions at the end, 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.800 by the way, so yeah, we may replace the listener 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.920 mail with the questions if they're good questions. Right, Okay, 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.200 we probably should have included that before we started recording. 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:10.319 I don't have a listener mail, so we better have questions, Chuck. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:16.480 Have you ever heard of an actor named Nicolas Cage? Yeah? 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:21.800 So do you have so, Nick Cage, um suffered some 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.880 misfortune in two thousand, the beginning of two thousand. It 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.200 was a rough time for him. He suffered misfortune long 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.520 before that. No, this is this is I think the 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.600 start of it. This is before. Um, I know what 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:37.720 you're gonna say. Okay, all right, Um, well, just indulgement. Um, 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:41.480 So Nick Cage On January twenty one, two thousand, followed 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.640 the police report because somebody broke into his house and 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.600 stole his Action Comics number one. That's not what I 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.800 thought you were gonna say, What did you think of? 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.960 I thought that was the release date of ghost Ghostwriter. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:56.440 That's what I thought you were gonna say. It's funny 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.600 you bring that up, though, because he did Ghostwriter because 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:00.640 he's a big comic book guy, and he would probably 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.800 do any comic book movie that you asked him too, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.279 because he's big into it. He had an Action Comics 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.280 Number one, which is the debut of Superman. Right. It 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.520 was worth like one point one million dollars and it 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.720 just vanished. And ten years later there was a guy 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.080 on the case. There's a detective who's working the case 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.960 the whole time, and um, he got a tip finally 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.840 from a comic book stealer that this one issue of 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:27.919 Action Comics number one had turned up, and they were 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.400 pretty sure that it was the issue, like Nicholas Cage's 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.280 issue that had been stolen, and they they check all 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.120 the identifying marks, the scratches, you know, like them the 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.360 fold from like the mom who's like yelling at her 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:48.080 kid that she she's going to throw this out. Yeah, um, 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:53.520 Elizabeth Shoo's lipstick. So they identify it as Nicholas Cages 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.799 actually Comics number one. He gets it back. Um, they 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:01.440 found it in a guy who bought a trunk from 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.640 auction from one of those places that um that that 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.600 that sells stuff found in storage sheds, you know or 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:12.040 storage you store it places. So I guess the moral 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.640 of the story is just go to those auctions because 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.079 he bought one of the full bins and this comic 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.400 in it. So he's just feeling loaded and then all 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.160 of a sudden, Nicholas Cage comes along. It's like that 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.520 is mine, right, and he was very ecstatic to get 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.959 it back. This was apriloven. He turns around and sells 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.320 it for two point one million dollars. Makes a million 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.440 just sitting there after he already collected insurance money. Yes, 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.080 so it wasn't that special to him, No, and he 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.840 he pretended it was. But the point is that if 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.960 if this story fascinated you, as I hope it did, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.400 it's coming out as a movie. But from the guys 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.520 who created Reno n One, who played a Danglar in Junior, 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.720 you get familiar with three and nine one one. Uh, 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.800 they're making a movie about this whole thing, of the 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.400 whole incident. Yeah, with Nick Cage as a character and everything. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.080 It's very like Sandberg and plan him. They don't know 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.080 who's going to play me. Yeah he does. I don't know. 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.920 If you've seen the SNL Sandberg it's pretty great, right, Yeah, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.640 it's really good. So you know it'd be great, would 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.640 be to see Andy Sandberg doing Nick Cage doing Elvis, Yeah, 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.400 doing Tiny, Yeah, exactly tiny. So I say all that 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:24.360 to ask you, Chuck, if you've ever read a comic book. Wow, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.760 that was a good one. You know I have because 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:29.560 we have talked on the show. I can't remember which one. 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.160 I was searching my brain when we were prepping for this. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.920 We talked about our love or my love of Archie 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:40.320 comics growing up because I was a good little Baptist 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.159 boy and I wasn't into like, you know, all the 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.720 action heroes, although I guess there was really no conflict 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.520 there now to think about it. Um, but I had 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.839 well we'll talk about the spire Christian comics, and um, 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.080 I was into Archie and the Archie people were kind 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.040 enough to send us a bunch of swag after we 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.440 recorded that. I didn't get any of that. I did. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.479 I kept because you said that Archie was like wossy stuff. 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.159 I remember, So I took my little Archie boxer shorts 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.720 and I went home. Yeah, but yeah, they did listen. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.280 That was very cool to know that they're still out 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.920 there pumping amount. And I was into like Archie and 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.840 Ritchie Rich a little bit of superhero stuff. But this 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.040 is the big, big disclaimer. I know we're gonna get 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.800 murdered on this one because anytime we do a topic 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.839 that is like religion to people like comic books artists 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.159 on people, uh, we're gonna get killed for it because 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.920 we are definitely not experts in comic books. That is 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.480 a live version of c o A. That is that's 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.840 very good stuff to cover our beat. So um, I'm 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.480 talking about comic books today. Uh, are you guys fans 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.920 any really? They somewhat? I like that with spots. That's 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.440 good because you're you'll you you'll be like that was okay. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.599 The people who clapped, I'm sorry. Are there any huge, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.200 huge comic book fans like that really know a lot 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.359 about it? Because we'll probably ask you to come sort of? Okay, 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.600 that's good. I was hoping for nobody. Let's get one 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.760 guy is fine? I want like Kevin Smith in the background. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.599 I'm like, no, and I know I look like you, 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.800 but stay away. So we're gonna talk a little bit 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.800 about comic books, about the history, how they're made famous, 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.440 comic books, not Richie Richmond. That's it. That's the only 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.680 mention of Ritchie rich Uh. I mean this is the 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.200 time of like occupy. You realize you can't talk about 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.840 Richie rich without people tearing you to stray. You're right. 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.000 I will say that we can probably skip most of 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.360 the beginning because they in this article from how Stuffworks 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.479 dot com is very thorough. So they whoever who wrote this, 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.520 you know a guy named Nathan Chandler who I've never 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.120 met or heard of, but he did do a bang 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:40.560 up job. He did a bang up job. But he 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.039 spends a full page talking about defining what a comic 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:44.680 book is. And I can assume we all know what 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.080 a comic book is, but I will say that I 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.520 did learn that the little uh, the gutters. I never 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.560 knew that the blank panels. They have blank panels to 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.480 fill in spaces, and they're called gutters. And I also 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:01.039 always kind of took for granted the the the flow 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.400 of the comic book. Yeah, a lot goes into um, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.920 the way your eye follows the comic book, you know. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:09.479 And if you ever look at a comic book, you know, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.440 sometimes the dialogues appear some of them's down here. Sometimes 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.720 it's just action and the dialogues over here. But they 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:16.840 put a lot of forethought into the layout of the 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.400 comic book. I thought was gonna cool. And um, that's 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.640 why it's called sequential art. That's another name for a 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:25.120 comic book. Um. And speaking of art, comic books are 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.800 usually um lumped in together with jazz and the mystery 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.840 novel as like a pure American art form. You oh yeah, 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.600 I I kid you not. I believe it. Um. So 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.000 I think that was a great explanation of the comic 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.760 book gutters, and I think I think it's a good assumption. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.520 Everybody knows what a comic book is, generally, right, Um, 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.360 but I think that the history is kind of something. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.360 This fascinated me, and like, man, I went to town 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.240 doing like supplemental research on this. So just if I 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:58.480 get a little off at any point to be like no, no, no, 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.440 I love it. Okay, So do you do you know 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.760 what the first one was? Well? I do. Um, it's 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.360 right here in front of me. Two um. Generally credited 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.680 as the first comic book is The Adventures of Obadiah 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.120 old Buck. Have you seen it? Did you look it up? 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.240 I did? And the first thing I wondered, what is 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.760 whether or not Obadiah? Wasn't it Obadiah staining from Iron 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:24.440 Man Jeff Bridges in the movie answer him yes? Is 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.600 that right? I just always I wondered if that was 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.520 just a nod to that first comic Bookbaiah is not 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.680 the most common name, so, um, but you did see it, 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.480 It's just like panel after panel of action and there's 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.679 like narration, like I don't think he actually talked in 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.400 any at any point that I saw, So it's kind 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:45.280 of like a silent movie almost two. Um. And then 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.360 it was just basically action if you can call like 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.360 rowing down the river with your hat action. I mean 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.520 like that was of like four panels, I think. Um. 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.600 But it was the first time anybody ever put like, 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:00.640 you know, sequential art and text together, and this was, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.559 you know, ostensibly the first comic book anyone's ever created. Yeah, 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.360 and it was eighteen forty two. I know I said that, 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.199 but let that sink in a minute and think about 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.640 eighteen forty two. What's going on? So it was a 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.920 pretty modern thing for the time. I guess when you 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.200 think it's pretty Swiss, well it was Swiss. He wrote 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.480 Rodolpha top four. That's very nice. I was gonna say, 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.960 Rudolph Tofer, I think that was nice too. Into that trouble. Yeah, 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.120 he was a teacher and an artist in Switzerland. Uh 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.600 was did he do this in Switzerland? I think so? 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.480 Because he's were translated, I don't know. It says I 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.240 made its first appearance in America. So and it's a 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:44.439 truly American art form in my own fact against me. Um, okay, 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:49.559 well then yes it was American in origin. It was. Um, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:55.720 so fast forward from tofer right, um to with the 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.560 appearance of a kid with what I did you see 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:03.560 this guy, the Yellow Kid some sort of developmental problem 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.400 or something like. He was also the predecessor of the 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.520 shirt tails, apparently because a lot of the action and 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.880 narration appeared on his shirt and it would change from 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:15.160 time to time. But um, the Yellow Kid was, um 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:19.600 the first humorous comic strip, and UM, I use humorous 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:24.080 like really really like liberally um because it wasn't funny 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.560 at all. Comedy in eight was like if you weren't 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.280 dying that day, then it was pretty funny. We don't 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.320 have the play exactly. And so the Yellow Kid comes 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.360 along and he's the first one where it's like, okay, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.800 you can pick up a newspaper and find something that 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.320 I'll just take your mind off of everybody dying and 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.599 give you something to laugh about for a second. And 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.040 it happens sequentially too, and there's speech bubbles or else 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.920 he says something on his shirt and speech balloons that 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.080 was They had used them in political cartoons before, but 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.960 this was like where the speech balloon really like took 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.200 hold as a comic. Well, they remember, they just like 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.640 wrote everywhere in political card too. Yeah. Yeah, um, I 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.040 got a little nugget for you too. I don't know 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.240 if Yellow the Yellow Kid, that the comic of the 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.200 Yellow Kid was inspiration for the term yellow journalism evidently, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.000 is that right? Yeah, because it was first used by 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:13.679 someone I think from the New York Times said this 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.880 yellow Kid journalism, uh, because he was in a Hearst 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.240 newspaper I think, and they were mocking Hearst, and that 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.360 eventually came yellow journalism. Nice. Yeah, that's a good one, 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.200 thank you. So the ill Kid runs around doing this 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.920 thing for another maybe like thirty five forty years, and 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.520 then all of a sudden, the boring part of this 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:39.120 podcast is over. People start figuring out that they uh 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.199 that the people think the Yellow Kids funny. They took 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.840 about forty years to like test the water, right, and 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.400 then find their like, people actually like this guy. So 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.600 let's start making new characters, and all of a sudden 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.760 you have like Dick Tracy, Popeye, um, who else was 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.040 in the Little or Fanny And these are all like 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.080 characters that are still resonating today obviously, right, And then 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.679 right after that a little company named Eastern Color who um, 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.640 eventually did you realize this Eastern Color became ec comics 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:13.280 entertaining comics, which gave rise to Mad Magazine, which is 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.720 like end of story right there. Ec Comics is the 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:20.559 most important thing that's ever happened to humanity. Yeah, right, 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.000 So Eastern Eastern Color UM starts printing like all these 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.840 comics that are appearing in newspapers, puts them together. You know, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.439 what's the first comic book? And they're all reprints, and 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.120 Procter and Gamble pays for this and starts giving them 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.600 away with I guess like toothpaste or some sort of 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.920 weird toilet trees from the thirties, you know what were 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.600 they using back then? Um? And uh, that kind of 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.959 gave rise to the idea that you don't just get 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.040 your comics out of the newspaper. And you can kind 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.800 of see like these things are like starting to these steps, 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.920 these huge monumental steps are taking place, like closer and 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.520 closer together. Because that was nine thirty three. I think 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.320 it was five that somebody said, you know what, I'm 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.280 tired of paying all these fees to reprint and all 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.920 this stuff. I can just find some guys it's the 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:07.000 depression and pay them like next to nothing. Maybe assigned 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:08.840 some arm guards to make sure they worked twenty four 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.200 hours a day and just published like all new material. Yeah, 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:16.720 they the East Eastern had given these away through Procter 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.520 and Gamble, and they actually sold a few after that 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.280 because they thought, hey, these are really popular. And then 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.800 that's when they started saying, you know what, these reprints 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.080 are getting old, let's come up with original material. And 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:32.120 uh in d C Comics, Uh, they were formed. Actually 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.800 Detective Comics is what it stood for and stands for 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.680 unless they changed that without my it's still And they 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.320 were the first ones to put out something called New 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:46.160 Fun Comics number one, and that was the it sounds 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:51.080 like a Chinese restaurant or something, and um, should I 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.680 not have said that? Is that? Okay, it's all right, 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.320 this is live, but it's not going out. Um. And 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.040 that was the first time that there was a full 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.679 comic book of new stuff as part of a sequential 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.199 series that people could follow. That was ostensibly the first 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:10.000 real like comic book was born. And um, the sixth issue. 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:16.120 This the sixth issue, I'm very determined, Um of that 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.600 comic book. What was a New Fund Comics number one? Okay, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.920 so number six put together two guys named Jerry Siegel 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.760 and uh, what was the other guy's first name? Joe 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.160 Schuster and um. Within a couple of years, those guys 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.200 put out the first superhero ever. His name is Superman. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:40.680 Let's get around with a plus exact. Superman changed everything. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.280 He was the first superhero, he was the first costumed one. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.400 So he said it's all right to wear tights if 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:50.640 you can throw a car, right, um, and uh, he 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.120 gave rise to basically comic books as we know today. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.880 You know everything you think about with with comic books 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.840 and superheroes and um being able to take a bullet 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.120 in the chest and have it just ricochet, which, by 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.720 the way, are you familiar with the George what was 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:11.280 the guy who played Superman? George Reeves and then Christopher Reeves? 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.880 It was plural. No, you have it right if you 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:16.720 ever heard the story when a kid came to one 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.160 of his appearances, because George Reefs played Superman on TV 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.240 in the fifties and some kids showed up with his 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.320 dad's gun to shoot Superman. Right, because in the opening 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.160 credits of Superman, um, he like, some bad guys are 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.040 shooting him and he's just standing there with his chest 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.080 out in bullets of rickey. Then one of him throws 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:41.560 his gun and he ducks. But but a kids showed 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.120 up after seeing all these, you know, many episodes of 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.720 this and uh to like some publicity appearance, and um 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.280 uh it was going to shoot George Reeves, and George 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.200 Reeves or George Reeves said, um, kid, it would work 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.040 if you shot me, but that bulletard ricochet off and 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:58.520 hit somebody in the crowd and you kill him, and 0:15:58.560 --> 0:15:59.920 you don't want to do that. So the kid like 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:07.240 the gun and then he went exactly yeah. Yeah, So 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.240 that that was a Superman aside. But Ben Affleck played 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:14.680 him in a movie. Uh, George Reeve, h right, yeah, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.040 Hollywood Land. There you go. He was a pretty messed 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.840 up guy. You no, you're thinking of a Bob Crane 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.600 and auto focus. No, No, you really are. No, No, 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.960 they were. They were messed up in two entirely different ways. Uh. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.560 So d C also gave rise to uh one Superman 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.080 came out or Soup as we like to call him. Uh. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.080 They also gave birth to Batman and the whole Detective 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:40.280 comic series. In the Detective series is still going today 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.600 eight hundred issues. Well by the time this was written, 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.160 I'm sure it's way more than that. A hundred plus 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.880 eight plus issues still going strong today, longest running comic 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.760 title ever the d C series. Right, so there was 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.440 nine that Batman came out. Um was a big year too, 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.640 Wonder Woman came out and All Star Comics number eight, 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.680 And anybody who listened to the Lie Detector podcast will 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.199 know that the guy who invented the lie Detector a 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:15.040 psychologist was William Marston. I believe that sounds right. He 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.679 also created Wonder Woman and really yes he did you 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.679 know this? You know this? Um? And he uh he 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.879 was a psychologist who lived with two wives and the 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.000 children he had with all of them under the same roof, 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.879 supposedly happily. But he was huge into women's live and 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.560 truth telling, which is why one woman has that lass 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.600 of truth. He created a lie of detects. Yes, you know, 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.480 I don't think I remember that, Okay, I was like 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.640 zoning out on Linda Carter at time. I'm sure. Uh So, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.760 World War two came along, as we all know, unfortunately, 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.879 and uh that was when superhero comics were really big. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.880 And not only that, but Walt Disney comics were really 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:01.160 huge and they mentioned, um, Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse obviously, 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.880 but the most popular of the Disney comics, and actually 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.879 the most popular comics during the most popular period of 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.439 comic books, was Uncle Scrooge McDuck. Yeah, he was like 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.240 the biggest. Yeah, but I remember I had a few 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.920 of those as a kid. Yeah, I'd like the duck tails. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.400 That was a good show. Yeah, equally figured big into 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.880 that one. It was. It was great. Um. But World 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.400 War two, speaking of that was huge for comics because 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:31.719 even before the US entered into the war, UM, comic 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:35.160 book characters were beating the tar out of Adolph Hitler 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.520 like on a monthly basis. Like Captain America he debuted 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.879 his number one edition comic book had him like Sack 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.919 and Hitler in the face. It's a pretty awesome picture 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.479 if you ever want to check it out, especially if 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.840 you hate Hitler, you know. Um. But it's so that 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.000 was that was par for the course for comics at 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.800 the time. Like they just beat up on Hitler and 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.240 the Germans or the Japanese every month or um. So 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.120 that was kind of a big deal. Um. And speaking 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:09.280 of Nazis and comics, do you want to mention HANSI, Yeah, 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.800 did anyone grow up here in the seventies and read 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.600 any of the Spire Christian comics at all? You did? Alright? 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.080 One other person? That's how popular they were. Uh. My 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.199 grandmother god rest her soul. Grandmother Mills worked at a 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.720 Baptist bookstore in Tennessee, and whenever I would go to 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.159 this bookstore, she would tell me to pick out some 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.720 comic books, which I thought was really cool, like free comics. However, 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.480 being compapted this bookstore, the only thing they had was 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.280 Spire Christian comics and they didn't have any superheroes or 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.840 anything like that. They didn't even have Archie at the 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.120 Baptist bookstore, and Spire was really big at the time. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.560 Man named Al Hartley, he was a cartoonist converted to 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.600 Christianity in the late sixties and converted like twenty five 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.119 family members, right did he really? Yeah, Like he just 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:52.960 went to town, he went to a prayer meeting, came home. 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.120 I was like, that's it, We're all Christian. I don't 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.520 care what you have to say. You're Christian now. And 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.200 uh he uh worked for Archie Comics and try to 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.359 work in some of the Christian storylines through Archie, and 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.359 then the publishers were like, you know, Archie's as clean 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.040 as it can be, but we really need to tone 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.440 this down on the religion thing. So like, wait, that's 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.879 simmer In the publishers of the Archie Comics told this 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:19.760 guy to tone it down. Yeah, that is significant. It 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.320 was pretty significant, and uh Lucky for him, a publisher 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.359 called Fleming H. Revel came along and said, you know what, 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.240 I want to start a full line of Christian comics. 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.600 I will call it Inspire Christian Comics. And you can 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.439 go to town, dude, as much as you want on 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.480 whatever you want. And he did. He with Hans, who 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:39.560 I will show this little picture that I wish we 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.159 had that up on the h That's okay, this this 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.760 is low fi. That is Hans the Girl who Loved 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.760 the Swastika. That's the subtitle. Yes, from ninety three, and 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:51.680 I actually did not have this one, but I did 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.000 have no but I had the Johnny Cash Christian comic, 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:59.399 the Tom Landry Christian comic, and the very awesome story 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.080 The Cross and the switch Blade, in which a thug 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.800 mugger is uh turned you know by the guy he 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.760 mug He mugs a pastor, and the pastors like, come, come, 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:11.920 come with me. Let me tell you a few things 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:16.280 that happens a lot. Yeah, but Hans was huge. She 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.600 was a young girl in Uh Sue Sue dead in 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.119 Land and the Germans invaded, and she was very glad 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.359 the Germans invaded because they brought books for her to read. 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.280 They took her to a Russian prison camp, and Uh 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.720 they raped all of the women except Hans because she 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.200 was too skinny, which I don't even know what to 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.400 say about that. I don't know, but she was very 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.000 fortunate to get out of that obviously. Eventually she finds 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.000 her way to an American camp. She's very pleased because 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.679 the soldiers there treat her well, and uh moves back 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.719