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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from house stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as

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Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuckers Bryant, and I would say about a

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Speaker 1: hundred people here in Austin, Texas at south By Southwest say,

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Speaker 1: hey people, I think uh, we figured the solution was

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Speaker 1: we were in a bigger room across the way last year.

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Speaker 1: Smaller room seems fuller. Yes, I think there are probably

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Speaker 1: a few more people here, but just make the room smaller. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the easiest way to go about things. So for

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Speaker 1: those of you who are just coming in on the recording,

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Speaker 1: we've already done the bantering, so we're gonna get to it,

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Speaker 1: I think, yes, Chuck, And we'll have questions at the end,

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Speaker 1: by the way, so yeah, we may replace the listener

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Speaker 1: mail with the questions if they're good questions. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we probably should have included that before we started recording.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a listener mail, so we better have questions, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of an actor named Nicolas Cage? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So do you have so, Nick Cage, um suffered some

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Speaker 1: misfortune in two thousand, the beginning of two thousand. It

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Speaker 1: was a rough time for him. He suffered misfortune long

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Speaker 1: before that. No, this is this is I think the

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Speaker 1: start of it. This is before. Um, I know what

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Speaker 1: you're gonna say. Okay, all right, Um, well, just indulgement. Um,

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Speaker 1: So Nick Cage On January twenty one, two thousand, followed

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Speaker 1: the police report because somebody broke into his house and

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Speaker 1: stole his Action Comics number one. That's not what I

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Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say, What did you think of?

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Speaker 1: I thought that was the release date of ghost Ghostwriter.

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Speaker 1: That's what I thought you were gonna say. It's funny

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Speaker 1: you bring that up, though, because he did Ghostwriter because

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Speaker 1: he's a big comic book guy, and he would probably

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Speaker 1: do any comic book movie that you asked him too,

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Speaker 1: because he's big into it. He had an Action Comics

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Speaker 1: Number one, which is the debut of Superman. Right. It

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Speaker 1: was worth like one point one million dollars and it

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Speaker 1: just vanished. And ten years later there was a guy

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Speaker 1: the whole time, and um, he got a tip finally

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Speaker 1: from a comic book stealer that this one issue of

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Speaker 1: Action Comics number one had turned up, and they were

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Speaker 1: pretty sure that it was the issue, like Nicholas Cage's

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Speaker 1: issue that had been stolen, and they they check all

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Speaker 1: the identifying marks, the scratches, you know, like them the

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Speaker 1: fold from like the mom who's like yelling at her

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Speaker 1: kid that she she's going to throw this out. Yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Shoo's lipstick. So they identify it as Nicholas Cages

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Speaker 1: actually Comics number one. He gets it back. Um, they

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Speaker 1: auction from one of those places that um that that

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Speaker 1: storage you store it places. So I guess the moral

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Speaker 1: of the story is just go to those auctions because

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Speaker 1: he bought one of the full bins and this comic

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Speaker 1: in it. So he's just feeling loaded and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Nicholas Cage comes along. It's like that

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Speaker 1: is mine, right, and he was very ecstatic to get

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Speaker 1: it back. This was apriloven. He turns around and sells

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Speaker 1: it for two point one million dollars. Makes a million

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Speaker 1: just sitting there after he already collected insurance money. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so it wasn't that special to him, No, and he

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Speaker 1: he pretended it was. But the point is that if

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Speaker 1: if this story fascinated you, as I hope it did,

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Speaker 1: it's coming out as a movie. But from the guys

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Speaker 1: who created Reno n One, who played a Danglar in Junior,

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Speaker 1: you get familiar with three and nine one one. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they're making a movie about this whole thing, of the

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Speaker 1: whole incident. Yeah, with Nick Cage as a character and everything.

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Speaker 1: It's very like Sandberg and plan him. They don't know

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Speaker 1: If you've seen the SNL Sandberg it's pretty great, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's really good. So you know it'd be great, would

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Speaker 1: be to see Andy Sandberg doing Nick Cage doing Elvis, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: doing Tiny, Yeah, exactly tiny. So I say all that

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Speaker 1: That was very cool to know that they're still out

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Speaker 1: Ritchie Rich a little bit of superhero stuff. But this

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Speaker 1: we are definitely not experts in comic books. That is

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Speaker 1: very good stuff to cover our beat. So um, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about comic books today. Uh, are you guys fans

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Speaker 1: any really? They somewhat? I like that with spots. That's

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Speaker 1: good because you're you'll you you'll be like that was okay.

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Speaker 1: The people who clapped, I'm sorry. Are there any huge,

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Speaker 1: huge comic book fans like that really know a lot

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Speaker 1: guy is fine? I want like Kevin Smith in the background.

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Speaker 1: you know a guy named Nathan Chandler who I've never

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Speaker 1: why it's called sequential art. That's another name for a

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Speaker 1: subverted before assassinated, being the president and the vice president

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Speaker 1: and smashing a statue of the Virgin Mary. So that's

426
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: some serious propaganda going. I've got one for you, speaking

427
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: of propagandas so um. Jerry Siegel, one of the guys

428
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: who created Superman, um, because Superman beat up Hitler on

429
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: such a regular basis. Joseph Gebbels himself called Jerry Siegel

430
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: uh circumcised physically and intellectually a beatle. So, man, if

431
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: you take off Joseph Gebbels enough to say something publicly

432
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: about you, you're doing something right. And I think they were.

433
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: But so, the big thing besides beating up Hitler and

434
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: coming up with HANSI that World War Two um did

435
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 1: the comics was that it created like a whole new

436
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: readership in g I's like the American government actually sent

437
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: comic books out to the front, so you had a

438
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: whole new group of grown up guys who are like,

439
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: this is pretty cool. I like beating up Hitler, but

440
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm also into like questerns and science fiction and horror

441
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: and crime and just like more adult theme stuff. And

442
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: I'll I want to see like some more nakedness that

443
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm seeing in comics, and like, I want to see

444
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: the F word, not just like some you know, the

445
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: dollar sign and an asterisk or something like that. So, um,

446
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: it changed the readership of comics. So when everybody gets

447
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: back from the war, uh, comics themselves changed to from

448
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: that demand. So you have horror comics you have Western comics,

449
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: you have crime comics, and comics get like way more hardcore,

450
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: way cooler than they were before. Right, agreed, But they

451
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: actually step over the over this line supposedly. Yeah, because

452
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: a man named Frederick Wortham, a psychiatrist in UM, wrote

453
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: a book called The Seduction of the Innocent, and he

454
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: kind of threw it out there that these comic books

455
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: are what are leading our kids down this awful path

456
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: of destruction, and parents, of course bought into it big time. Yeah. Well,

457
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: basically he was saying, like this is comic books are

458
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: going to turn are all of our kids into serial

459
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: killers like they're were, They're all doom, some are probably

460
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: already killing, and you don't know what in your parents,

461
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: So just pay attention to your kids and get rid

462
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: of the comic books and actually bring him in New

463
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: York had had a comic book burning based because of

464
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: this book. I got a friend from there. He never

465
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: told me about that. It's a dirty secret among the

466
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: hounds folk. Uh So the comic book um industry decided,

467
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna take a big financial hit

468
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: here if we don't do something, so maybe we should

469
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: self censor. Uh because censorship is illegal, right, and that

470
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: what they say, And so they came up with what

471
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: they called the UH, the Code Comic Code Authority, the

472
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: c c A, and it was all self imposed, and

473
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: up until I think last year, d C comics still

474
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: subscribe to this. Right, it's crazy Marvel stopped in like

475
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: the seventies, I think. So this is way too long,

476
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna red a few highlights. UM General

477
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: standards Part A. The big thing was to not um

478
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: endorse crime or to uh to make crimes seem like

479
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: something kids would want to do. So you couldn't explicitly

480
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: present unique details or methods of a crime. You didn't

481
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: want copycatting going on. You could never show kidnapping whatsoever.

482
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: The actual word crime could not be any larger and

483
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: font than any other word. UM General standards be no

484
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: walking dead, no torture vampires. I don't even know what

485
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: that is because they also include regular vampire is M

486
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 1: so I guess torture vampires ismo are the worse kind

487
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: of vampis. Those are not twilight, no ghoules, no cannibalism,

488
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: no werewolf is um obviously not even a word yes

489
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: under dialogue, no profanity, smut, no vulgarity, um precautions to

490
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: avoid references to physical afflictions or deformities. Didn't want to

491
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: make anyone feel bad about themselves. Can Yeah, wherever possible

492
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: good grammar shall be employed. Is that in there? Yeah?

493
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: And did you see that religion? There's only one rule.

494
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: Ridicule or attack on any religious or racial group is

495
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: never permissible. Nudity is prohibited. And this one is what

496
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: I think personally inspired ar Crum to take up a pen.

497
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: Females shall be drawn realistically, without exaggeration of any physical qualities.

498
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: So our chrome was like what oh really? Yeah, and

499
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: we mentioned that because uh, joking aside, this is what

500
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: actually gave rise to underground comics, because comics from that

501
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: point on sucked yea And actually, um, I think sales

502
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: dropped between nineteen fifty four and ninety six. Yeah, And

503
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 1: this is the comic book publishers doing it themselves. They

504
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: came up with this code, they established this authority, and

505
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: anytime you finish a comic book you had to send

506
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: it in. The CCA would be like change this, change that,

507
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: and then we'll approve it. Um. So then yeah, it

508
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: drove everything undergund because it's like uh, sordidness can neither

509
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: be created nor destroyed. So I have to go somewhere.

510
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: And it went, like you said, like into our chrome, right,

511
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: it went into underground comics and comics is spelled with

512
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: an X just to kind of separate it from other comics,

513
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: and you know, because they're X rated, which they were

514
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: proud of. Uh. This was the nineteen sixties, um, and

515
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden they were tackling with underground comics,

516
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: the really good stuff, sex, drugs, politics with cats though yeah,

517
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: well Fritz Catt was one of the big ones. Um.

518
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: But along with all these sordid tales, UM comic books

519
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: that also grew in respectability because they started, you know,

520
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: like real literary works. All of a sudden, we're being created.

521
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: Like the arc got better them, the storylines got a

522
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: lot better, yeah, the writing got better. Yeah, because it

523
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: was like, hey, we were back from World War two,

524
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: we want mature comics, and here they are another band.

525
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 1: So it's people wanted that and if there's demand with anything, like,

526
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna get it. So. Um. The other thing that

527
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: underground comics created besides um our crumb stuff, Harvey P.

528
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: Carr was another big one that was a great movie,

529
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: wasn't that? Um? Was? It kind of proved that you

530
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: can take something like in comic book form and add

531
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: like real literature to a real art to it, and

532
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: that eventually gave rise to the graphic novel thanks to

533
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: a guy named Will Eisner. A Contract with God is

534
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: generally considered even though they had used words like graphic before,

535
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: which they don't like. By the way, they don't like

536
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: graphic novel because it sounds a dirty you know what

537
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm who doesn't like that. The comic book people apparently

538
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: never liked the term graphically. Yeah, that's what I hear.

539
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: Um and a novel like a drawn novel had been used,

540
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: but Will Eisner actually printed on the front cover a

541
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: graphic novel by Will Eisner, and he thought he coined

542
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: the term, but apparently it was some fan who had

543
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: like years before. Yeah, but everyone says Will Eisner, we'll

544
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: go with that, so that that gives rise to um

545
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: this whole idea that like you can create something that's

546
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: longer than twenty to thirty pages and it has like

547
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: real meaning to it, where like the characters are just

548
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: messed up, including these people who are supposed to be heroes,

549
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: because that's something that's been simultaneously evolving to Will Eisner

550
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: was the first person to create a superhero, the Spirit, Yes,

551
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: who was just deeply flawed, like he didn't always he

552
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: wasn't always successful at fighting crime, like he failed, he

553
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: had problems. Um, So him coming back and creating the

554
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: graphic novel is not really surprising. It was almost like

555
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: he was sending a precedent for years later. But it

556
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: gave rise to like Art Spiegelman's Mouse, um, the Alan

557
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: Moore's Watchman, which is the only graphic novel I've read.

558
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: Is it good? Is awesome? I've not read it. Yeah,

559
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: it's way awesome. Uh did something just gasp? It is

560
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: gasp worthy? I think. Uh. And then Frank Miller, I

561
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: have not read any of his stuff, but I have

562
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: seen Since City. Yeah. I enjoyed that, and he did

563
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: he did three hundred two right, Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah.

564
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: And then in that movie Man he did he did

565
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: the Uh for those of you who aren't here, Chuck

566
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: just waved the sweat off. He did the Dark Knight

567
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: returns to which gave to like all the Batman movies

568
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: that we know and love now because Batman also originally

569
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: kind of started out flawed after the Spirit and then

570
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: he turned into like just this, um well, he turned

571
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: into the sixties TV show Batman, which was awesome in

572
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: its own right. But if you were in the comic

573
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: book industry and you're trying to prove that comics are

574
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: legitimate art forms and Adam West is doing his thing

575
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: on TV every week, like, it's really kind of undermining

576
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: your case, right, So there were no as you know,

577
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: it was flab Oh and speaking of so we talked

578
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: about the guy who wrote The Seduction of the Innocent.

579
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: One of his big problems with comics was that UM

580
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: Robin and Batman were clearly homosexual. Robin was drawn often

581
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: with bare legs, frequently spread apart while he was standing,

582
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: and he was I think clearly only attached to Batman

583
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: or something like that. That was one of his big problems. Well,

584
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: I think they were the inspiration for the Smigels. Yeah, yeah,

585
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: and he started It's one of my favorite things ever.

586
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: He talks about it all the time. Um stan Lee

587
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: was actually one of the one of the first people

588
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: UM to start having flawed superheroes as well, but they

589
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: weren't like completely messed up like uh in The Watchman now.

590
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: But he was stan Lee, who was like one of

591
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: the founding guys at Marvel, as everyone knows, I'm sure, um,

592
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: he was working within the structure. Like the underground comics guys,

593
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: they didn't have anybody to answer to. They could do

594
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: or say whatever they wanted to. But stan Lee, you know,

595
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: he was working for Marvel. It was a major publisher,

596
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: and he had confines to work with him. But he

597
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: was trying to kind of push the boundaries here there,

598
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: and he was doing it with Flood like um, Spider Man,

599
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: like he's he's just a total screw up. Well, he

600
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: was the first guy to kind of um introduce characters

601
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: that uh, their their powers were a curse and not

602
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: so much a blessing like he had the Fantastic Four,

603
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: who three of them, it was a big blessing. But

604
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: of course the thing I always want to be human. Um,

605
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: But you know, Tony Stark was a big jerk, as

606
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: everyone's scene in the Iron Man movie if you're not

607
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: a fan of the comic book, and he was forced

608
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: to become Iron Man to live, you know, to keep

609
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: living with that punishment. That thing, I don't know what's

610
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: called the Yeah, the flex capacitor and his chest and uh,

611
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: of course Spider Man. He didn't choose that. And he

612
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: was a little nerdy kid who got beat up and

613
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: got bit by a Spider The Hulk very tortured character.

614
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: He didn't want to be the Hulk. He hated be

615
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: in the Hulk. He hated being lu Fregno, yeah, he

616
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: certainly did. But it's it's pretty cool that stan Lieber

617
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: actually was his original name and Stanley was his what

618
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: he became. But um, he kind of took it to

619
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: a different level, even further than Eisner, I think from

620
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: what I interested. He Um, he also helped create the

621
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: like the shared universe, like all Marvel characters live in

622
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: the same universe that cross over a lot, and that

623
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: was like groundbreaking when he came out with that, Like

624
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: everybody takes it for granted now, Um, but does a

625
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: big deal. Yeah, and it's the guy. I can't remember

626
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: the article that I read, but um, the guy um

627
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: that I read talked about, uh, the sharing of character,

628
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: and he said other people had had people appear as

629
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: guests and other comics, but um, they were the first

630
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: people to really build this universe and have this carefully

631
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: constructed forethought to where you felt like, at any given moment,

632
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: a different person could show up and it wouldn't be like,

633
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: oh wait a minute, there's whole call of a sudden,

634
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: it would like make sense exactly. So I thought it

635
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Um, and I think it was Comic

636
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: Cube that you got that one from. Yes, so Marvel

637
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: household name obviously, so DC comics they account for eight

638
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: out of every ten uh yeah, yeah yeah, which uh total,

639
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: that whole ten accounts accounted for four and seventeen million

640
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: dollars in sales in two thousand and eleven, which is

641
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: substantial if you ask me, Um, that ain't nothing on manga, manga, manga,

642
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: mangame whatever. These are comics in Japan, and we're covering

643
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: the United States pretty much exclusively, but they are huge

644
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: in Japan, and uh in two thousand seven, they total

645
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: sales were three point six billion dollars in Japan alone,

646
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, and that same year a hundred and seventy

647
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: five million of Japanese comics in US and Canada. So

648
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: they're popular over here as well. Yeah, you mean, I

649
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: went to Japan and everywhere you go where there's manga

650
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: being sold. There are eighteen kids just standing there reading.

651
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, totally cigarettes. No, no, they're all wearing like school. Now,

652
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: this is like a whole country of good kids. They

653
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: don't smoke cigarettes yet, um, Like they wait till adults

654
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: and then everybody smoked. Um. But you know they're all

655
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: wearing like their little shorts and their blazers and everything,

656
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: reading manga like this crazy stuff. Yeah, and those are

657
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: generally black and white, is that right? Yeah? Okay, yeah,

658
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: I'm not the manga expert. I've just been to Japan once,

659
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: so that's more than me. My friends. Um so, uh,

660
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: we've talked about the history of comics, we've talked about manga.

661
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: What else is there to cover. Let's talk about some

662
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: of these uh, some of the top artists in and

663
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: because the part on how they're done is really not

664
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: super interesting, No, no, I think I think it bears

665
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: mentioning that it's not one person isn't creating a comic.

666
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: There's um, there's the writer, there's the the penciler Joe's

667
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: Russ sketches, the anchor who comes in behind and like

668
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: substantializes everything, the person who does shading, the the well,

669
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: there's a colorist yes, uh and then the letter yeah,

670
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: and the letterer. I thought that was kind of cool. Actually, yeah,

671
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: you know think about the font that much if it

672
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: really matters if it's bold or something. You know, they

673
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: make these decisions of these choices, but really it's like,

674
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: is it bold, not bold? Or squiggly? It's kind of

675
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: what the That's what the letter is coming up. Squiggly

676
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: means fear, right pretty much, or or intrepidation. Trepidation, Yeah,

677
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: I think it's the word. Uh. Yeah, so we did.

678
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: We searched a comic cube and um, I'm not sure

679
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: what this other one was, but because I didn't know

680
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: who people generally considered the top artist and writers of

681
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: comic books. But this dude has stan Lee in the

682
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: Marvel Gang, including Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko, the people

683
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: who created Spider Man, Fantastic four, Hulk for Iron Man

684
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: Silver Surfer number five. Yeah. Yeah, this guy's I don't

685
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: know much, but I thought, come on, dude, he was

686
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: clearly drunk when he made this list. Well he has

687
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: Harvey Kurtzman is number one, and Kurtzman was famous for

688
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: for his military comics, and they were not very pro

689
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: military at all. They were very much that showed the

690
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: downside of war and showed the ugly brutality of war.

691
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: But he is the man who went on to later

692
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: create Tales Calculated to Drive You Mad, which became Mad Magazine,

693
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: which Josh and I had were, you know, huge fans of.

694
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: He also oversaw Tales from the Crypt because that really

695
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: that was East that was Eastern color. I thought I

696
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: heard a gasp about Tales was that you gasps and

697
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: one podcast that is uh gas than we used. It's

698
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: actually uh goodead. You know, I don't know where you

699
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: were going. Well. I thought i'd covered some of the

700
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: artists too, because the writers get a lot of do

701
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: but you never hear a lot about the artist. And

702
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: um Lou Fine one of the first big stars in

703
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: the nineteen forties. They got him at number ten, not bad.

704
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: And Frank Frazetta, who I didn't think I knew until

705
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: I looked him up. He was a comic book artist

706
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: for a very short time and then was one of

707
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: the few guys to go onto mainstream art. And I

708
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: was like, I still haven't heard of this guy until

709
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I clicked on Google images, and then I went, oh,

710
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: the guy who did the Molly Hatchett album covers and

711
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: he did all those awesome fantasy uh fantasy paintings. It

712
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: was really cool stuff. I'm a fan of Yes and

713
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: Ages album covers and Iron Maidens. I think Iron Maiden

714
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: has the best album covers. Who did those? I don't know.

715
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: There was a sol okay a small clapp for Iron Maiden.

716
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: Uh Neil Adams they have listed at number three. He

717
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: was the guy who brought along um modern techniques, like

718
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: from the commercial art world, and he applied it and

719
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: he's sort of revolutionized. And people generally say that as

720
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: far as arts concerned, you have the Kirby Area era

721
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: and then you have the Adams era. So he was.

722
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: He was that important. And Kirby is number one Captain America,

723
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: X Men, Hulk, Fantastic four, forget about it. What about

724
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: Steve Bilko? Who Steve Bilko? That's be confused, Steve Ko, Dicko.

725
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: You're thinking Sergeant Billko the Steve Martin movie. No, I

726
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: was thinking of Steve Ko, Steve Dio, Yeah, Dicko, he

727
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: could be confused. I think he he co created Spider

728
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: Man and I think was the first guy to draw

729
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: Spider Man. Yeah, like the comics we drew we grew

730
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: up with. It was um Steve Dickko and Jack Kirby. Yeah, like,

731
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the comics I grew up with where Jack

732
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: Kirby and Steve dick everyone else in this movie said

733
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: to you, Uh, you got anything else? We should talk

734
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: about mouse maybe for a second. Yeah, that was a

735
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: big deal. That was Art Spiegelman, and he was He

736
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: won a special pullitzerprise for his comic book Mouse m

737
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: A U S. And it told the story of he

738
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: and his father in uh Nazi occupied Germany. And he

739
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: used a very tried and true technique of uh using

740
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: animals as people. So the Jews were mice, Germans were cats,

741
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: of course, and uh poles poles were pigs. And I

742
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: did I thought, what was that? Tried and true? And

743
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: I thought, oh no, every Disney movie you I've ever

744
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: seen has animals not as people. And again shirt tails, Yeah,

745
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: duck tails, short tales? That was it. I don't know

746
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: short tails, you don't remember short tales? No, we got

747
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: three gasts. What was shirt tails? Oh? Was a like

748
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: some crime fighting um menagerie of like a panda and

749
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: like a fox and like moose. All they all they

750
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: lived in this tree and then they all jump into

751
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: like a like something akin to the Great Space Coaster,

752
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: fly off to like handle the problem, solve the mystery.

753
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: But they would like whatever emotion they were feeling with

754
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: like flash on their shirts. That was their game. And

755
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: this is a cartoon. Yeah, it was a great cartoon.

756
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how I missed this. I was in

757
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: the Baptist bookstore. I think I think your your grandmother

758
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: would have been okay with shirt tails. You never know,

759
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: it was not where the shirt tails tucked or untucked.

760
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: They weren't even wearing pants. Now they forget about it.

761
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: Maybe not. It's all over. Yeah, I got nothing else. Actually, Watchman,

762
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: uh you keep you keep saying that, and then following Dome,

763
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: there's but we should say. Watch Me was so great.

764
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: It was named one of the one hundred best English

765
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: Language novels in Time magazine in two thousand FIBs. I

766
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: should say it all, even though the movie I liked

767
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: because I like the book so much, wasn't so great.

768
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: Did you watch it the movie? The Watchman movie? No, No,

769
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: it was good. It was faithful. Well, I just remember

770
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: like just a big sense of depression just kind of

771
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: settled over America for like two weeks after that movie came.

772
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: So I'm definitely not an uplifting story. But no, no,

773
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: I meant because it like wasn't as good as everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

774
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Uh So let's see if you

775
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: guys want to learn anything more about comic books, we

776
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: actually have a bunch of comic books stuff on the site.

777
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: You can type in comic books C O, M, I

778
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: C space bookay s in the handy search bar how

779
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: stuff works dot com, and that will bring up this article.

780
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: And I said handy search bar. I didn't even just

781
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: say search bar, said handy search bar, which means it's

782
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: time for Q and ah. Yeah, unless no one has

783
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: any questions, thank you learning it? So does anyone have

784
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: any questions that have nothing to do with comic books?

785
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Okay, Hi, what's your name? Oh wait,

786
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: we got a mike. Yeah, we can hear you. Well,

787
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: now we're recording for the recording. Also, by standing up,

788
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,959
Speaker 1: you releases from any kind of liabilities for using your voice.

789
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: What if it's too late now, pal Um, what type

790
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: of screen process did uh you Josh go through when

791
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: you were kind of picking out your co host because

792
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: before you had podcast for five minutes long, you had

793
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: different few people that went to house uf works dot com.

794
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: I mean, Chuck just start working here and like, hey,

795
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: let's do a podcast or I need somebody to do

796
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of podcasting with me. How that work? So

797
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: we For those of you who don't know, Chuck and

798
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: I haven't always been together. Um there was a there.

799
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: I know there's a dark time pre Chuck. It's just

800
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I want to forget about it. But um,

801
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: but no, so uh it very much came about the

802
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: way that the podcast came about, where I have a

803
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: boss who came along and said, hey, why don't you

804
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: get together with Jerry and um make a podcast. It

805
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that you don't know what a podcast, which

806
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: is that you've never heard one, just good to it.

807
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: So we did. We tried a few people, Um they

808
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: were editors at the time, that's how they were picked.

809
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: And then um, all of a sudden, Uh, I think

810
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: you went to Connal, didn't you, And you're like, dude,

811
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: I want to know. Well then just out of the blue,

812
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: Connor was like, hey, let's do this with Chuck, and

813
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: we tried it with Chuck, and man, it was like

814
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: the first moment he sat down, I was like, this

815
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: guy smells good. Like things just seem like different now

816
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: that this recording is like, I'm not sad, Like everything

817
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: seems cool. And then he opened his mouth and it

818
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: was like, why it works, dude, I can I don't

819
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: even know how to interpret that. That's how it started. Yeah,

820
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: that's pretty much it. I mean we were we were

821
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: buddies at work and had similar sensibilities and it just

822
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: sort of made sense. I'm frankly a little shocked that

823
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: they didn't pick me to begin with, to be I

824
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: am as well. I mean we're buddies already at work.

825
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: We knew each other to work, and we like piled

826
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: around and everything. But um, yeah, it was I think

827
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: it was just kind of like a baptism by fire

828
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: and then they're like, it's Chuck time. Uh we got

829
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: number two? Yes, Hi? Hello. Um So I'm curious what

830
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: a topic is that. Maybe you guys keep saying, oh,

831
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: we need to do this, we should do this, we

832
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: should do this, and you just never get around doing

833
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: It's something that you'll probably say the same thing I

834
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: would say is scientology. Sorry, was that what you're gonna say,

835
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean that scientology is one that we have been

836
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: asked to do many many times that we want to do. Um,

837
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: but they are very litigious group, and um, we don't

838
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: have that much money. Yeah, I think we're scared to

839
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: do one. Yeah I am. I mean John Travolta is

840
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: in George right now shooting a movie, so they could

841
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: just send him over to our house. Yeah. So yeah,

842
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: I mean there was a there was a moment where

843
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: it was like, may maybe we will do scientology because

844
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: the FBI was investigating him. There's all this stuff on

845
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: public record, which is the big the big problem is

846
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: like every every source that we would come across would

847
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: be um, just about hearsay from disgrunt old people, ex members, whatever,

848
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: and it's very very one sided. Um. So, all of

849
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: a sudden, like there was a possibility that we were

850
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna have all these sources from like FBI investigations, and

851
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: then it just stopped and we're like, well, if the

852
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: FBI is not doing it, we're certainly not gonna do

853
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: it either. They have guns. Yes, over there in the glasses.

854
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: I think actually, if yeah, this person over here is

855
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: your next started ten minutes Greg Hi UM, my name

856
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: is his Car and I live in Guatemala with my

857
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: husband and we're big fans of your country. We've been

858
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: we loved your podcast. Those two pods cash you did

859
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: in Guatemala were awesome. For those of you don't know,

860
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: we went to Guatemala with Jerry Um. We were invited

861
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: by a group called co ed Uh. It's a nonprofit

862
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: you does great work down there, and they paid for

863
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: us to go down there and it changed our lives

864
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: in some a lot of ways. And you know, I

865
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: want to compliment you on it because you you did

866
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: the history section really well, which most people don't do UM.

867
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: And one thing that I want and actually Brad was like, man,

868
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: I wish I'd gotten this before I went to Guanamala,

869
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, because it really served as kind of like

870
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: a like a dummies on Guingamala. It was really great. Well,

871
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, one thing that I wanted to ask you,

872
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: UM is you know if were there some stories or

873
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: some other things that you left out, like how you

874
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: went about I mean, you know you talked a lot

875
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: of them your second Guatemala podcast about how there was

876
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: all this material that you didn't include UM or things

877
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: that you could have included, but you didn't. And I

878
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: guess I'm wondering, like, was there like one thing in

879
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: particular you didn't include that podcast, like maybe you could

880
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: talk about probably had to do with Ronza Copa Rama,

881
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: probably the Nectar of Guatemala. It's good stuff. Um. I

882
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: think there was just so much that went on. There

883
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: wasn't anything in particular. But when you're there for how

884
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: long were you there? Like four or five days? I

885
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: think five days? Five? Yeah, it's five days and six nights.

886
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, it's hard to encapsulate that in two hours.

887
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: There was definitely nothing we were covering up. No beautiful

888
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: country though, do you know? Do you know I went,

889
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: I gave a sacrifice to mashamon Um with a cigarette

890
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: and some some cane liquor, and um, I quit smoking

891
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: like two years this may so that's fine, but definitely

892
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: how so it works? I guess that's to answer your question. Yeah,

893
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: over there, I think she had a question and she's like, no,

894
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: not anymore. She's She's like, it was about Guatemala. Yeah, so,

895
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: um my question is related to research. So, um, we

896
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: pretty much live in a world now where most people,

897
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: including like if you're in school will do research, I

898
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: guess on the internet. So I was wondering for each topic,

899
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: like a, if you're doing research online, how do you

900
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: try to validate a particular fact? And then also do

901
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: you ever go outside of the internet for I don't know,

902
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: validation or more research, and if so, what are your sources?

903
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: It's almost all internet research, which is kind of the

904
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: way it is these days. It is. Um. I've written

905
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: one article where I went to the library, and I've

906
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: written a few hundred articles for House of Works, and

907
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: I actually had to go to this rare books library

908
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: to find the one book in print as I was

909
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: writing about Liz with bath rooms, this Hungarian countess's like

910
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: the world's most prolific serial killer. Um, And it was

911
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: it was really hard to find like any good stuff,

912
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: like decent sources on her. But I knew that there's

913
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: this one book either. So I've been to library one

914
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: time and I'm like, not right exactly. I was like,

915
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: what is this all these weird books? Um? And it

916
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: smells there's pencils, um. But that was pretty much the

917
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: extent of it. Um. There's so much good stuff online.

918
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: I think it's five, six, seven years ago. You could

919
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: really put somebody down and said that they just do

920
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: their research on online. There's so much good stuff, especially

921
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: if you know what you're looking for, what you're looking at.

922
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: If the fact you're kind of looking up appears in

923
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: almost the same wording and source after source stuff your source,

924
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: well then you need to go find something else. And yeah,

925
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: that's actually it's always very good to just find a

926
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: couple of sources for a fact, especially something that's just

927
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: kind of outlandish. It's a lot of common sense and

928
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: then it's a lot of like knowing who you're who

929
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: you're getting your sources from. UM, we have since virtually

930
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: stopped writing UM since we've been working on the TV

931
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: pilot and since we've been UM podcasting so much lately.

932
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: UM that we rely on how Stuff Works articles and

933
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: UM that so well, like all of our articles are

934
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: based on just the house Stuffs article and then we

935
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: do supplementary research and UM, I guess all that's all

936
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: we need, like is the house Stuff Works basis because

937
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: we know that there's the same amount of attention and

938
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: dedication has kind of gone into the research to write

939
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: that article. That very rarely do we run across one

940
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: where we're like this is just flagrantly wrong party. And

941
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: when we do check out the dinner party, when we

942
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: tear that poor kid apart, I remember, But when we do,

943
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: we call them out like because it's bad research, and

944
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: we hate bad research because it makes us look like

945
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: jackasses and we hate looking like jackasses. So um, but

946
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: it's almost all online. Thanks were more perfect. Man, this

947
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: is petering out nicely. I love your podcast. I listen

948
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: to it all the time. Um, I was just wondering

949
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: what a day in the life Josh and Chuck looks

950
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: like you said, you don't write as much anymore, but um,

951
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: how many podcasts you do per week? Um? You know,

952
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: what's the pilot gonna be like on your schedule? And

953
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: what's funny you should ask? This is not a plant,

954
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: by the way, great question than uh we I mean

955
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: yeah we Um. We record uh between two and four

956
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: a week, and we released two a week. So we

957
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: tried to build up what we call a kitty like

958
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: Jerry likes to call it. So like when we go

959
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: out of town or when we're shooting TV stuff, you know,

960
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: we can still release on a regular basis. Because if

961
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: anyone wants to start a podcast, everyone always asked for advice.

962
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: You always have to release it very regularly. The biggest

963
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: mistake podcast make starting out as they'll release one and

964
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: they'll wait a few weeks and release another one. But

965
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: that Tuesday, Thursday, man, people count on it coming out.

966
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: And um, so we record two to four we do.

967
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: We have a little video podcast now, Uh this kind

968
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: of fun and we record twelve of those a month,

969
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: um that we alternate every other week. So generally a

970
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: day in the life is us uh you know, researching

971
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: and uh studying. We call it studying. It's it's a

972
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of reading and Josh memorizes way

973
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: more than I do. But um, we take a nap

974
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: on carpet scores a two pm show two pm every day,

975
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: butter cookies and juice the martini time after that. But

976
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: since you did mention the TV thing, we would like

977
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: to invite everyone here tomorrow to uh fidox Irish Pub

978
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: on Fourth Street and we are having a variety show

979
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: slash premiere party for the TV pilot that Science Channel

980
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: has gone out on them and been really awesome to

981
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: let us do. And uh it is at five o'clock.

982
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: It starts goes till nine and um we have John

983
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: Hodgment will be there, our old Budden and uh I

984
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: guess for John or just a clus Okay, John will

985
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: be there, and comedy from a Eugene Merman who's very

986
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: hysterical stand up and our buddies, the Henry Clay people

987
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: will be playing music and local band Crooks will be

988
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: playing music. And Lucy waynewright Roach who plays Jerry on

989
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: the show, will be playing music because she is also

990
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: a very talented singer, songwriter, guitar player, and uh, it's

991
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. First hundred people get a free drink,

992
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: which is always nice and out right and gotten lighted.

993
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: But oh so yeah, it's gonna be a good party.

994
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: And we thank Science Channel because they are super awesome

995
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: and have really stuck their necks out to give us

996
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: a shot at a TV pilot, which hopefully we'll see

997
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: later on this year. And uh, it's good at that,

998
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: thanks man, getting better at it? Yeah, anything else, I'm good?

999
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: Did anybody else have any questions? We have one minute? Man,

1000
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: this was perfect. As a matter of fact, everybody, give

1001
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: yourself around. Thank you for coming, very much for coming.

1002
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: Uh let's see if you want to contact us, you

1003
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 1: can reach us on Twitter at s y s K podcast.

1004
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: If you don't follow us, it is a jam uh

1005
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: Facebook dot com slash stuff you should know. Also quite

1006
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: the party. They could have gone and seen William Defoe

1007
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: right now, by the way. Thank you, everybody, Thank you.

1008
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: I wish you had a five dollar bill to give

1009
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: to everybody. Um or you can email us at Stuff

1010
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: Podcast at Discovery dot com. Be sure to check out

1011
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: our new video podcast, Stuff from the Future. Join how

1012
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: Stuff Work staff as we explore the most promising and

1013
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: perplexing possibilities of tomorrow. Brought to you by the re

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Speaker 1: invented two thousand twelve Camri. It's ready, are you