1 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another edition of Packers Unscripted 2 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined once 3 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: again by my trusted colleague Weston Hodquitz. We're coming to 4 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at Lambeufield and Wes Packers 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Training camp is underway. There is one practice in the books. 6 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: As soon as we get this show recorded, we're headed 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: out for the second practice of training camp. But I'm 8 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: just gonna start with how you doing, my friend. 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: I'm doing all right. It's funny to me that we 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: blink and we're always back. 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: It just it doesn't seem like it was already over 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: a month ago that you and I kind of signed 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: off for the summer to go about our vacations. 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: At the end of Mini caamp. 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we just find our way back here. But 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: the thing that also was hilarious about that how things 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: can change macro level, micro level, the small dominoes that 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: fall in a fifty three to ninety man roster, and 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: certainly probably one of the more newsier days I think 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: that I've ever experienced in terms of the first day 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: of training camp for the Green Bay Packers. 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, two things I want to try to accomplish 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: with this show before we shuffle off for practice number two. 25 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: One is to review what happened in practice one, but 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: also then to look at things a little bit bigger picture, 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: kind of the overview, a training camp preview, if you will. 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: But in terms of day one, the biggest news, without question, 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: is that the Packers have not finalized a new contract 30 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: for quarterback Jordan Love. Yet everybody seems optimistic that the 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: finish line is in sight, that it's there, it could 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: happen perhaps any day now. But until that happens, until 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: it is signed, sealed, and delivered, Jordan Love will not 34 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: be practicing. He has reported for training camp he is 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: going through the meetings and all the other camp activities 36 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: except for practicing. He's basically eliminating his injury risk until 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: the new contract is finished. So that meant on day one, 38 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: Seawan Clifford and Michael Pratt were running the offense and 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: Sean Clifford was the guy with the first team unit. 40 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun watching Sean work out there. I mean, 41 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: this is a guy that I thought put together a 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: really strong preseason last year. Now again everybody was sort 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: of deferring to Love. Throughout that process because they wanted 44 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: him to get as many first team reps, They wanted 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: him to get as much preseason work as he could 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: going into his first year as a starter. But Clifford 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: ended up taking and really running with that number two 48 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: job to the point it wasn't even very much a competition. 49 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: This year, he's gonna get pushed more with Michael Pratt 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: coming in. Both of these guys, you look at their 51 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: backgrounds very similar in terms of playing a lot of 52 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: college football at different levels. Obviously Penn State for Clifford 53 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: and Tulane for Pratt. But I thought, you know, for 54 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: how things ended for Clifford, I'm sure that wasn't a 55 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: great taste to have the three interceptions by Zane Anderson 56 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: at the end of the mini camp. You have to 57 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: go into the summer kind of, you know, marinating on 58 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: that a little bit. But he came back, he took charge. 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: He's a natural born leader. I love the way he 60 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: started the red zone period. As Matt Lafleur said, with 61 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: the tighter constraints with the practice schedule this ramp up period, 62 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: they have to be very careful with what they do 63 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: to get everything in, so they focused a lot on 64 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: the red zone. He opens it up a nice pass 65 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: right to don Tavian Wicks near the pylon. Keyshawn Nixon 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: didn't even have a shot at it, just based on 67 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: where the ball was placed. 68 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: And it wasn't bad coverage news. It was good coverage, 69 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: just a good play. 70 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: But when you run a goal line fade and you 71 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: put it literally, you know, inches from the ground where 72 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: Wicks was able to nab it, that those are the 73 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: type of plays that happened. But I thought the way 74 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: he led things they kept pretty much. There was you know, 75 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: some little things here and there that the offense had 76 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: to work through, but by and large, when you don't 77 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: have QB one out there, I think it was commendable 78 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: what Clifford did to keep the train on the tracks. Yeah. 79 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: Well, Clifford admitted to reporters that during the spring and 80 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: as that mini camp rolled around, he was kind of 81 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: testing himself in a way to figure out what he 82 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: can do and what he can't do. He was he 83 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: was pushing the limits a little bit in terms of 84 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: maybe the aggressiveness and whatnot, and that's why we saw 85 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: some of the interceptions. What I like about Clifford is 86 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: that you know, it's it's not like it rattles him. 87 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: It's not like it completely changes his approach. He knows, 88 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: he knows what he was trying to do. He's he's 89 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: learning from that and and the opportunity to run the 90 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: number one offense is important for him. And as he said, 91 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, this is a you never know business. Nobody 92 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: is gonna want, you know, or expect Jordan Love to 93 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: get hurt during the regular season, but obviously it could 94 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: happen and Sean Clifford might need to step in and 95 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: try to win a game or two for the Packers. 96 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: As for Love's contract, as I said at the top 97 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: of the show, it doesn't seem to be something that 98 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: people are overly concerned about. 99 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: The goal. 100 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: The hope was that it would be done before training camp. 101 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: These things are complicated, These things take time. All of 102 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: the salary cap ramifications, you know about how things are structured, financial, 103 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, the timeline, all of that kind of stuff. 104 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: So what I got from Brian Gudakunz does that while 105 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: of course they wanted to have the contract done, they 106 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: want to have Jordan Love out there. They understand where 107 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: he's coming from, and quite frankly, if you're Jordan Love 108 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: you were here all spring, you were here for Mini camp, 109 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: all during this, during OTAs and everything when he didn't 110 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: have to be here, he was exercising patients at that point. 111 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: With regard to the contract, now training camp is here, 112 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: his only leverage to spur them to get to the 113 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: finish line is to just say, hey, I'm not going 114 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: to practice until this thing is done. It's part of 115 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: the business. It's not ideal, it's not what anybody wants. 116 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: But I think both sides understand what's going on here, 117 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: and hopefully, whether it's twenty four or forty eight or 118 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: seventy two hours from now, this whole contract thing will 119 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: be done on over with. 120 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe even by the time the show goes out. 121 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: You never know. 122 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is certainly true, because that's the thing with 123 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: the way the packers do business, and obviously with now 124 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: what we're learning the way loves Camp does buses and 125 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: this is not being negotiated in the media. No, there 126 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: is nothing out there, you know as far as how 127 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: this is working or how close they actually are. There 128 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: no specifics. So yes, it could happen as soon as 129 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: we turn off the cameras here or it could happen 130 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: a day or two. 131 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: I was telling a friend of mine the other day too, 132 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: because I've been making a lot of inferences in inbox 133 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: about how, you know, don't confuse silence with stillness. There's 134 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: things happening you're just not hearing about it. Absolutely. Another 135 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: line I used on my friend is there's no Dominoes 136 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: tracker on contracts. It isn't just like okay, it's ready now. No, 137 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: it doesn't work like that in this business. 138 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: Nobody's got the egg time or running. 139 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 2: No. But seriously, like think about it. Like Kenny Clark, 140 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: that's the perfect example that he gets the extension. Yeah, 141 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: on Sunday, I'm in the middle of driving actually to 142 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: Title Town to grab dinner with some friends, and it's like, oh, 143 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: Kenny Clark is now extended for you know, three more years. 144 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,119 Speaker 2: And that was a conversation that Kenny said. They'd actually 145 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: been negotiating going all the way back to February at 146 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: the Combine. They were a little few things there, obviously, 147 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: Brian Gudecuin said they want to get something done, but 148 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: until it was finally done, that's when we heard about it. 149 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: Same thing with love and while you and I don't 150 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: always talk dollars and cents on the show. Jordan Love 151 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: is making eleven million dollars this year. That's what this 152 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: two year contract he did, you know, is worth. He 153 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: had thirty two touchdowns at forty one hundred yards last 154 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: season passing. I would say he's worth a little bit 155 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: more than that. I think everybody appreciates that. And really, 156 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: when you look at the way quarterback values have gone, 157 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: and Gudacun's touched on this a little bit. They're aware 158 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: of the Jared Goff deal, They're aware of the Trevor 159 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: Lawrence deal. They know in the pantheon of quarterbacks where 160 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: their guy, who they see is a franchise quarterback probably fits. 161 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: It's all part of the picture. 162 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: And you want to take care of it. They've allocated 163 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: the funds for it, thirty million or whatever it is 164 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: and salary cap room despite the fact there's fifty million 165 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: in dead cap. But they were moving forward. The Packers 166 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: aren't a very healthy place financially. It's just making sure 167 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: that you can find that contracts that makes sense for 168 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: both Love and the Packers. And my hope is Mike 169 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: by that time, maybe by the time we get through 170 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: this week, maybe by the family night, whatever it may be. 171 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: Love gets the deal done. He's back on the practice 172 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: field and the Packers get looking at twenty twenty four. 173 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're going to be there sooner than later. 174 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: As far as other day one news on the practice field. 175 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,559 Speaker 1: On the health front, Zach Tom cleared or at least 176 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: partially cleared from the torn pectoral muscle that kept him 177 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: all out during the spring. He's back on the practice 178 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: field on a limited basis. He's not taking eleven on 179 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: eleven snaps yet, but he was out there for the drills, 180 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: so that was really good to see. The other torn pectoral, 181 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: of course, was tight End Tucker Craft from the spring. 182 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: He is not quite back yet, but it sounds like 183 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: it might not be too longer, too much longer for him, 184 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,119 Speaker 1: at least according to Brian Gudakunz, a couple new injuries 185 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: to some prominent names that popped up that we weren't 186 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: necessarily aware of. Jaden Reid is currently not practicing because 187 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: of a toe injury. He called it kind of a 188 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: freak out accident while he was coaching at like a 189 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: youth football camp, not something that he's concerned about. Doesn't 190 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: sound like that. 191 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: Really was it? 192 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: Huh, what's that? 193 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: That was it? That's how that happened. Yeah, that's what 194 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: Brian Brian Goodcuinz made a joke about, like, yeah, it 195 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 2: might have been he's running round. 196 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: Jayden said something about that. He that he didn't really 197 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: have like the right footwork or i'm sorry, footwear on, 198 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: and so that might have contributed to this little problem 199 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: with his toe. So it doesn't sound like anything folks 200 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: are overly concerned about there. And then rookie, a third 201 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: round draft pick, running back Marshawn Lloyd Is was not 202 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: on the practice field for Day one, listed as having 203 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: a hip injury. So we'll see what happens there. So 204 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: so that was a bit of news on the health 205 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: front for the Packers. 206 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Lloyd actually talked with reporters in 207 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: the locker room afterwards too and mentioned, you know, just 208 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: something you go through those initial practices or whatever you 209 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: want to call them, like when the rookies first report 210 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: back that walkthroughs. 211 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, those early workouts. 212 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: Feeling a little bit of tightness there again, and hopefully 213 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: everything can clear up with that. It is what happens, Mike, 214 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: there's gonna be guys. There's gonna be injuries that happened 215 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: during the offseason training. Certainly a couple of things that 216 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: flared up with the offseason program. It's why you have 217 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: a ninety man roster, It's why you build for these 218 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: sort of things. But I thought what kind of stood 219 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: out to me was the opportunities it's afforded other guys 220 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: on this roster. When you look at you know, outside 221 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: looking in, the packers are stacked at receiver. You know, 222 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: how are they gonna allocate all these reps? Well, if 223 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: there's a day where Jayden Reed is an out there, 224 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 2: that means a little bit more bow meltin, that means 225 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: a little bit more you know, don Davian Wicks being 226 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: able to incorporate some of those guys into things. Aj Dillon, 227 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: whom I think I'm gonna write a story on later 228 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: this week. He was the guy taking a bulk of 229 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: that work behind Josh Jacobs, and then a guy like 230 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 2: Ellis Merriweather, who was on the practice squad last year, 231 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: got a lot of work without Marshaon Lloyd being out there. 232 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: So Emmanuel Wilson got his Emmanuel snaps on the first 233 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: practice as well. 234 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's that's always the thing and one of 235 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: the biggest aspects of this whole thing when you look 236 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: at Ben Simms, the amount of work that he got 237 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: this spring and now into the summer as number two 238 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: tight end and a lot of those first team offensive 239 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: you know, multiple tight end packages. You have to make 240 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: sure you take advantage of those opportunities mean to get them. 241 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: But the best news of all to bring this thing 242 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: full circle Zach tom being back, being limited, but on 243 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,599 Speaker 2: that road back to the football field, the fact that 244 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: he could have an entire training camp here to rebuild 245 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: the strength and rebuild the confidence. Because I'll tell you what, Mike, 246 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: what that young man has done in the first two 247 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: seasons of his NFL career and how dynamic he's been 248 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: at multiple positions. I think the arrow keeps pointing up 249 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: for him and the Packers. He proved last year and 250 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: a lot of people wrong that he couldn't play right tackle. 251 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: He showed he could he could do an extremely high level. 252 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think that he's he's going to be 253 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: back at his right tackle post sooner than later. And 254 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: however much the Packers want to talk about, you know, 255 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: finding the best five on the offensive line. Zach Tom 256 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: is one of the best five that the Packers have 257 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: and as long as he is healthy, he's going to 258 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: be a big part of things on this offense. With 259 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: with regard to Tom not taking the eleven on eleven 260 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: snaps and Andre Dillard, the former first round pick who 261 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: was brought in as a free agent, he is currently 262 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: working or at least in the first practice, he was 263 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: the guy at right tackle with the first team offense. 264 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: A couple other things with regard to the depth chart, 265 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: we saw Jordan Morgan, the rookie first round pick out 266 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: of Arizona. He was rotating at right guard with Sean 267 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: Ryan with the number one offense. So it would appear, 268 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: at least based on day one, that Jordan Morgan's best 269 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: opportunity to win a starting job as a rookie first 270 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: round pick it will be in that competition with Sean 271 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: Ryan at right guard, So that will definitely be one 272 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. And the other thing that 273 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: jumps off the jumps off the practice field when you 274 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: first see it is the guy who has lined up 275 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: next to Xavier McKinney at safety with the number one 276 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: defense in the first practice was the rookie second round pick, 277 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: Javon Bullard from Georgia. 278 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that remember talking to you in the offseason program, thinking, man, 279 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: will they go that Darnell Sayage route of just having 280 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: Buller be the guy out there with them all spring? 281 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: They didn't go that direction. He got some reps with 282 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: Xavier McKinney, but it was Anthony Johnson Junior that really 283 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: took a bulk of those first team defensive snaps. You 284 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: had five six weeks to develop these plans. I think 285 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: that speaks volumes that they gave Buller that first opportunity 286 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: on day one of training camp. When you look at 287 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: what his makeup is, what his athletic ceiling is, I 288 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: think he's a perfect compliment to McKinney. And while McKinney 289 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: is only twenty four years old, he's the type of 290 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: guy that I think you want to have someone like 291 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: him handling a young rookie in this league, with his 292 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: experience of being a day one starter, a guy that 293 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: had to be wise beyond his years when he went 294 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: to New York. Sure, and I think also with that 295 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: second round background, I mean, he knows what it means 296 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: to be a high safety pick that teams are going 297 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: to want to build the secondary around, but they're so 298 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: dang versatile there. I mean, Evan Williams getting a lot 299 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: of work. Katana Laedeppo is still on the NFI list 300 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: because of that toe injury he sustained at the combine, 301 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: but they oversee the lawn. That's been my big thing 302 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: all off season when I talk about that position and 303 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: to have that many options, I think it not only 304 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: enhances the competition, but it gives you a lot to 305 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: think about in terms of where you want certain guys 306 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 2: lined up, Because even if it ends up being Bullard 307 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: at safety, there's still a lot of flexibility that they 308 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: can do in terms of how they handle the slot 309 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: in both the nickel and the dime. 310 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Bullard's experience in the in the 311 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: slot at Georgia obviously it's what led to him perhaps 312 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: being drafted as high as he was, but I think 313 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: it's going to serve him well as he makes the 314 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: transition to the NFL as a rookie. I want to 315 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: get to some other topics that you and I will 316 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: be watching for and whatnot is training camp unfolds. But 317 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: first a little bit of sponsor business serious XM NFL 318 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the minute 319 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: NFL news that true football fanatics need twenty four to seven, 320 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: three sixty five, and at Cousin Subs, we have something 321 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: for everyone like our Wisconsin cheese curds, mac and cheese, 322 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired with your favorite 323 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: sub or sub and a bowl Cousin Subs fifty plus 324 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: years of better. All right, we're just gonna go back 325 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: and forth here a little bit. Wes. I'm gonna let 326 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: you take the first one, then I'm gonna come back 327 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: with another one, and we'll go back and forth until 328 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: we run out of topics. But under the umbrella of 329 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: what are you watching for, whether that be position battles, 330 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: whether that be certain details, whether that be specific players, 331 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: what's at the top of your list other than some 332 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: of the things we've already talked about. 333 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: It's an excellent question. I mean, one of the things 334 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: that I think yesterday in particular, that I was looking 335 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: at was the defensive line, and Brian talked about it 336 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: at the podium, and he feels like it's not just 337 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: about Okay, well, these are our defensive tackles, these are 338 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: defensive ends. It's about how that group expanded now under 339 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: Jason Rebervich can really round itself out to whether any 340 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: injuries that could happen, any type of issues that flare up. 341 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: They have the type of depth there that it's as 342 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: he said, it's the it's the deepest they've been in 343 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: a long time. But it's as versatile as they've ever been. 344 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: And to be able to have guys like Colby Wooden, 345 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: you know, Lucas vanass Rashawn Gary, players that can play 346 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: multiple positions in that front, I think is going to 347 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: be so key and and honestly, like once, we're a 348 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: week away from the pads going on, so we still 349 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: got to get through some of this ramp up period, 350 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: this acclamation period to really see what these guys look like. 351 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: But my goodness, Mike, just watching how the defensive line, 352 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: the defensive front was getting off the ball in the 353 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: offseason program, in some of the team periods, I mean, 354 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: it just you can tell the swagger that has been 355 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: infused into that group because they're. 356 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: And they're being trained in a different way they are, 357 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: frankly in terms of as you say, the you know, 358 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: getting off the ball, because this is this is an 359 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: an up the field, attacking front as opposed to a 360 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: read and react, So they're being trained to play a 361 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: different way. 362 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: And I did like what Brian said. I mean, he's 363 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: probably the first person that's acknowledged like, Okay, there are 364 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: some drawbacks. 365 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's it's like if there weren't, everybody would 366 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: play it this way, right, So, I mean you have 367 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: to learn how to play. You have to learn how 368 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: to play that aggressive style without making yourself too vulnerable 369 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: in other places. That's where the transition really comes in. 370 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 2: But it is it's about turning up the heat on 371 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: the quarterback. It's about reducing the amount of time that 372 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: he's back there to make decisions. And ultimately that could 373 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 2: the hope is is that type of pressure is what 374 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: also helps you generate more takeaways. And that was the 375 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: number one thing that had to change from last year. 376 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 2: You can boil it down, you can blame this, that 377 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: and the other thing, but the Packers did not have 378 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: enough interceptions last year. They did not take the football 379 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: away enough last year. And the way that that defense 380 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: was playing, the way it was set up, the philosophy 381 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 2: behind it, it just wasn't conducive to having success This 382 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: Jeff Hafley defense, especially with his background as a secondary coach. 383 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: I think that's gonna be the real true litmus test 384 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: of this thing. I've said it once, I'll say it 385 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: a thousand times. I don't care about top one, top five, 386 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 2: top ten, wherever you finish ranking. It's about how you 387 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: feel when your defense is on the field. Yeah, and 388 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: you could be I've said this year before. Twenty fourteen 389 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: ring fifteenth in total defense by the end of the year, 390 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 2: but the second half of that season was a much 391 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: different picture than they painted in the first half. 392 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you talk about turnovers, all you have to 393 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: do is look at the two playoff games last January. Right, 394 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: the Packers get the interception from Alexander, the pick six 395 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: from Savage, Yes, and they you know, they go on 396 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: to a blowout in Dallas. What do they do in 397 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: San Francisco? They drop multiple interception opportunities and the game 398 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: gets away in the final minutes and your season is over. 399 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: So there is no overstating the value of generating those 400 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: turnovers and what this new defensive staff is after. 401 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: So what I'm looking for in these practices, what I 402 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 2: look for yesterday, especially once those pads go on watching 403 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: these balls go to work, watching them go up against 404 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: this offensive line, because that approach too, I think is 405 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: only going to make the Packers O line better. 406 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: And I think that's going to I think that's going 407 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: to get much much more interesting when the pads go 408 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: on in a few days. Certainly, two of the things 409 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: that all throw out right now that I'm definitely watching 410 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: for and this is these are This is going to 411 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: be ongoing throughout all of training camp. It's that battle 412 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: between Eric Stokes and Carrington Valentine for who is going 413 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: to be the starting corner in the base defense opposite 414 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: Jay r Alexander. Were already seeing them rotating. They were 415 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: rotating during the spring. This is a This is a 416 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: competition that is far from over. Somebody's going to win 417 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: that job, somebody is, somebody's not. But the Packers feel 418 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: good obviously about their depth at cornerback. And then the 419 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: other ongoing competition, of course, is going to be at kicker. 420 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: There are three still in the competition, with James Turner 421 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: being claimed off waivers at the end of mini camp. 422 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: So Anders, Carlson, Greg Joseph James Turner. All in the mix. 423 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: We saw Turner, he went four out of six on 424 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: field goals as the you know, day one kicker in 425 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: training camp. I'm sure we're going to see the other guys, 426 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: if not as soon as today, certainly in the coming days. 427 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: So those are those are two competitions that quite frankly, 428 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: could go all the way up until you know the 429 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: passports and checked for Brazil. Quite frankly, you know that 430 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: those competitions might not be decided for quite a while. 431 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: And the fact, looking specifically at those cornerbacks, they're gonna 432 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: need both of those guys. And Brian Goodkin said, as 433 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: much as it relates to Eric Stokes and making sure 434 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 2: he can put those hamstring issues behind him, we've seen it, Mike, 435 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 2: we know. And I think when you look at in 436 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 2: terms of the proven depth, cornerback is not one of 437 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: the Packers deeper ones right now. I mean they have 438 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: Corey Valentine, although he's currently out right now with the 439 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: hamstring injury. He's sort of the backup right now to 440 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: Keishawn Nixon in the slot. But you know they need 441 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: Gyr Alexander, they need Carrington Valentine, they need Eric Stokes. 442 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: There was a reason why they waited until the seventh 443 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: round of draft Kayln King. They felt good about what 444 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: they had, but also sometimes is how this board falls. 445 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: So whether it is Valentine or Stokes that prevails, or 446 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 2: however they go about handling it, I think those two guys, 447 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: throughout the course of a seventeen game season are going 448 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: to be pivotal to what Green Bay wants to accomplish. 449 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else near the top of your list. 450 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: I think when the position battles all shuffle out, I 451 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 2: think what really surprised me the most, I think, and 452 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: I feel like I've said this in the past, but 453 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: it really truly feels more than any other year. The 454 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 2: difference between being on the roster and potentially starting at 455 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: a lot of these positions is so thin. Uh And 456 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 2: and I think about it. Obviously, receivers the one that 457 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: will jump off to the page to a lot of people, 458 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: but Packers have multiple offensive linemen. I mean guys like 459 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 2: Royce Newman, Guys that that have that have been in 460 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: this thing for a long time, that are competing for spots. 461 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: Uh And, and that's gonna be something I think that 462 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: really drives them going forward. Uh. Inside linebacker, I mean 463 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 2: Eric Wilson and Isaiah McDuffie. They're holding their own trying 464 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: to stay in that base defense, Edger and Cooper trying 465 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: to weave his way into that as well. 466 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: That that was That was The next thing on my 467 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: list was was if and when are we going to 468 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: see Edger and Cooper make his way into the first 469 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: team defense or are Isaiah McDuffie and Eric Wilson gonna, 470 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, gonna hold him off. I think it's it's 471 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: I know that, I know it's the four to three. 472 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: It's really more about the first two inside linebackers because 473 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how often that third one is going 474 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: to be on the field. But we'll see what happens 475 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: with Cooper, Isaiah McDuffie's knowledge of Halfley scheme and having 476 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: you know, the connection there obviously in their past at 477 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: Boston College. That seems to be going a long way 478 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: right now for Isaiah McDuffie. So it's going to be 479 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: interesting to see just when, where and how Edger and 480 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: Cooper kind of breaks through. Because the Packers drafted him 481 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: in the second round to be a big part of it. 482 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: Everybody knows that. 483 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: And athletically he's just different from everybody. But you have 484 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: to weigh that out where you have a guy like 485 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: Edgrian Cooper that's played as much college football as he's played. 486 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: You have someone like Eric Wilson who has been in 487 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: the league now for seven years, right and while it's 488 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: been predominantly on special teams in Green Bay, he's a 489 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: guy that's had one hundred and thirty tackles in this league. 490 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: So that's where it gets really interesting to me, and 491 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: where these position battles could potentially shuffle out. And seeing that, 492 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: you know, every guy the Packers resigned, there was a 493 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: reason behind it. It wasn't just Richard Stachi's special teams. They 494 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: wanted to give them a chance to compete on defense 495 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: and right now they're doing that. 496 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, we got to get rolling because there's 497 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: another practice waiting for us. So with that, we're going 498 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: to sign off on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be 499 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage of training camp. 500 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: We will have new fresh stuff on the site on 501 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com for you every single day, and we 502 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: will be continuing with two shows of Packers Unscripted per week, 503 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: most of the time on Tuesdays and Thursdays, unless something 504 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: gets in the way. But we're going to try to 505 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: stick to that as best we can. So for Wes, 506 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: I am Mike, thank you for tuning in everybody, and 507 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: we will see you next time.