WEBVTT - No Man Left Behind: James Fleming’s Impossible Vietnam War Rescue

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<v Speaker 1>The helicopter made its way up the river. The rotor

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<v Speaker 1>blade was humming against the sky. There was thick jungle

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides of the river bank, bright green against

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<v Speaker 1>the rushing brown water. It was November twenty sixth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight, and that river separated Cambodia from South Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>The pilot of the chopper followed its path, heading towards

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<v Speaker 1>the sound of gunfire, towards the battle. The mission had

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<v Speaker 1>started with five helicopters, but three of them were already gone.

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<v Speaker 1>The pilot of this one was twenty five year old

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<v Speaker 1>James Fleming. He could see a down chopper burning on

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<v Speaker 1>the river bank. He knew exactly how dangerous the situation was,

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<v Speaker 1>and as he got closer, shots started coming at him

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<v Speaker 1>from both sides. Of the river. The noise of gunfire

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<v Speaker 1>crackled through the jungle. The enemy was everywhere. He was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to touch down in the middle of this mess.

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<v Speaker 1>But even if he could get to the riverside without

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<v Speaker 1>being shot, he knew there wasn't enough space for him

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<v Speaker 1>to land. But Jim Fleming also knew something else. There

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<v Speaker 1>were seven soldiers down in that jungle who were about

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<v Speaker 1>to be captured or killed by the North Vietnamese Army.

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<v Speaker 1>They had fought their way to the river bank, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jim was their own only chance to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>their live Jim remember what he told those same guys

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<v Speaker 1>just a few hours earlier when he dropped them there.

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<v Speaker 1>He had told them he would put them in, but

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<v Speaker 1>he would also get them out. Jim looked at his

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<v Speaker 1>fuel gauge and it was almost empty. He looked at

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<v Speaker 1>the terrain. Impossible. And then he banked his helicopter and

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<v Speaker 1>started in. I'm j R. Martinez and this is Medal

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<v Speaker 1>of Honor Stories of Courage. The Medal of Honor is

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<v Speaker 1>the highest military decoration in the United States. It's awarded

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<v Speaker 1>for gallantry and bravery and combat at the risk of life,

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<v Speaker 1>This show is about those heroes, what they did, what

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<v Speaker 1>it meant, and what their stories tell us about the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of courage and sacrifice. I'm an army veteran, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the military we talk a lot about no man

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<v Speaker 1>left behind, you know, the concept that troops will do

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<v Speaker 1>anything to protect each other from harm. But the guy

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<v Speaker 1>you'll meet in this episode, Jim Fleming, doesn't just see

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<v Speaker 1>that as a concept. He sees it as a responsibility,

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<v Speaker 1>something we owe each other. It's something he feels deep

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<v Speaker 1>in his bones, the importance of staying true to your word,

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<v Speaker 1>being there, showing up. And that's why this story really

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<v Speaker 1>stuck with me. It makes me think about the way

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<v Speaker 1>we show up in our own lives, because for Jim,

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<v Speaker 1>that responsibility isn't a burden, it's an honor, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of honor that would lead him straight into a death trap.

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<v Speaker 1>When Jim Fleming tells the of his life, he begins

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<v Speaker 1>with the moment he was left behind.

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<v Speaker 3>I was born in Saday, in Missouri on the twelfth

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<v Speaker 3>of March nineteen forty three. We were abandoned by my

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<v Speaker 3>father right after my brother was born. He was born

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<v Speaker 3>in forty four and she was a single mother working

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<v Speaker 3>in a town and country combat boot shoe factory in

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<v Speaker 3>Saday in Missouri.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim's mom met John Fleming, an Air Force pilot stationed nearby.

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<v Speaker 1>They started dating, and before John left that base for California,

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<v Speaker 1>he asked her to marry him.

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<v Speaker 3>They got married in Las Vegas. He came back and

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<v Speaker 3>took my brother and myself and her to California.

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<v Speaker 1>John Fleming taught Jim two things. First, what it means

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<v Speaker 1>to have a dad, an all in fully committed father. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>he taught Jim how to love the Air Force. John

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<v Speaker 1>was a career pilot. He served during World War two, Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>and even the early years of Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 3>My father was the driving force behind everything I did.

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<v Speaker 4>He was my hero. I really looked up to him.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to work for a living, and I

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<v Speaker 3>always wanted to be a pilot in the Air Force.

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<v Speaker 4>I never wanted to be anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>Halfway through his pilot training, Jim volunteered to go to Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>By that time, the war had been going on for

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<v Speaker 1>more than a decade. Jim was married. He had two

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<v Speaker 1>little girls at home, but he couldn't wait to get

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<v Speaker 1>into combat and serve his country.

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<v Speaker 3>I was terribly excited to go. If you talk to

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<v Speaker 3>my wife, she'll probably tell you that I was apprehensive

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<v Speaker 3>that it would be over by the time.

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<v Speaker 4>I got there. I wanted to go and.

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<v Speaker 1>Fly in war, but Vietnam wasn't exactly what he'd imagined.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim remembers how it felt when he arrived in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 4>As we get off, the flares are going off around.

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<v Speaker 3>You can see artillery going off over here, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was just no question in your mind.

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<v Speaker 4>You're somewhere you've never been before.

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<v Speaker 3>We probably got there midnight and got in our barracks

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<v Speaker 3>probably four in the morning or whatever, to get a

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<v Speaker 3>couple hours of sleep. And I remember turning over and

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<v Speaker 3>a tear comes out of my eye and down my nose,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said to myself, damn, only three hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>sixty four more of these.

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<v Speaker 4>To go where I got.

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<v Speaker 3>You already knew I didn't like it there.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim did three days of jungle survival training, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just in case the chopper went down. It scared the

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<v Speaker 1>hell out of him.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't like that at all.

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<v Speaker 3>It taught me I did not want to go down

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<v Speaker 3>and have to walk home.

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<v Speaker 1>But dropping people into the jungle was what Jim was

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<v Speaker 1>in Vietnam to do. Okay, here's the deal. The North

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<v Speaker 1>Vietnamese Army n VA for sure needed to supply their

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<v Speaker 1>forces fighting in South Vietnam, so they built a supply

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<v Speaker 1>line through two neutral countries, Laos and Cambodia. The Americans

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<v Speaker 1>called it the Hochi Mantrail. The US wanted to stop

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<v Speaker 1>that flow as supplies, but they couldn't officially be in

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<v Speaker 1>either of those countries, so they secretly sent in small

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<v Speaker 1>teams of Green Berets. They were the Studies and Observations

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<v Speaker 1>Group or sg for short. It was totally covert ops.

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<v Speaker 1>Those SOG teams were inserted by Air Force pilots from

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth Special Operation Squadron, otherwise known as the Green Hornets.

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<v Speaker 1>They flew UH one helicopters. In the military, we call

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<v Speaker 1>them Huey's. You know this kind of helicopter. You've seen

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<v Speaker 1>it in every single movie about Vietnam. Jim was one

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<v Speaker 1>of those Green Hornets, and on the morning of November

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth, nineteen sixty eight, he got ready for a drop.

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<v Speaker 3>The first mission of the day was to insert a

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<v Speaker 3>seven man special team, three Americans and four mercenaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Those mercenaries were referred to as Montignards. They were members

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<v Speaker 1>of a try from the highlands of Vietnam. Montaignards were

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<v Speaker 1>a key part of any SAG team because they were

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<v Speaker 1>not only seasoned soldiers but also expert local guides and translators.

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<v Speaker 1>So this SAG team was going to be dropped right

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<v Speaker 1>at the border of Cambodia and Vietnam. Their target was

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<v Speaker 1>the time Laysan River. They suspected it was a route

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<v Speaker 1>for the NVA. SAG had already tried to get there

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<v Speaker 1>twice before, but each attempt had ended in a scramble

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<v Speaker 1>to pull the team out under heavy weapons fire from

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<v Speaker 1>the enemy. But they needed the intel, so back they went.

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<v Speaker 1>The team would be taken to their mission by a

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<v Speaker 1>convoy of five helicopters, two gunships, and three slicks. Jim

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<v Speaker 1>flew a slick, which was essentially a bus.

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<v Speaker 3>Take the guns out, take the pockets off, open up

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<v Speaker 3>the cab and it's completely empty.

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<v Speaker 4>You carry troops. It was a slick.

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<v Speaker 1>A slick's only job was to bring guys in or

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<v Speaker 1>pick them up. Each slick had a pilot, a co pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>and two gunners, one at each door. The convoy always

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<v Speaker 1>traveled as a unit. It was safer that way. Plus

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<v Speaker 1>there was a Ford Air controller plane, what the guys

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<v Speaker 1>called a fact. The choppers didn't have much navigation, so

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<v Speaker 1>the fact had to lead them in and out. The

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<v Speaker 1>saw guys and the green hornets gathered on the runway

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<v Speaker 1>the way they did before every mission.

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<v Speaker 3>Before you took off, you would brief and you would

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<v Speaker 3>shake hands and hug the team members and the crew members.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a lot talking going on. And what's going on

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<v Speaker 3>here is what you see in football when men stand

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<v Speaker 3>around hold hands. These big guys hold hands. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>bonding going on there. What you're doing, you're saying, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna take you and I'm gonna put you out in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of hell. If you have to come home,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll bring you home. That's my duty, it's my honor.

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<v Speaker 3>I will do that for you. It seems simple enough

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<v Speaker 3>to Jim. You make a promise and you keep it.

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<v Speaker 3>But this was Jim's second day as an aircraft commander.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a lieutenant way younger than the other pilots

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<v Speaker 3>less season. He didn't know that. It wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 3>be so easy.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact left first, then the Hueyes, they headed towards

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<v Speaker 1>the drop location. When they got close, the choppers split up.

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<v Speaker 1>To evade detection.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd send five helicopters and one of them peels off,

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<v Speaker 3>and then another one peels off, and if anyone's watching

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<v Speaker 3>or listening, they don't know who lands.

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<v Speaker 4>So we did that and I put the team in.

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<v Speaker 1>After the SAW group was on the ground, the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Hornets met up at a refueling stop. They kicked back

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<v Speaker 1>and waited to hear how the mission was going.

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<v Speaker 3>We're sitting around listening to rock and roll from Armed

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<v Speaker 3>Forces radio and eating sea rations and smoking cigars, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sett an alert out in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>this miserable little place.

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<v Speaker 1>After Jim dropped them, the seven members of the SOG

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<v Speaker 1>team moved into the jungle. The trees were so tall

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<v Speaker 1>and so dense that the canopy totally covered them, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was dangerous too. Those trees were filled with monkeys

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<v Speaker 1>ready to scream and tip off the enemy to their location.

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<v Speaker 1>The men would have made their way towards the river,

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<v Speaker 1>setting up a perimeter of Claymore mines for safety, but

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<v Speaker 1>then out of nowhere, a huge enemy force was on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly the jungle was blazing with gunfire, monkeys screaming, bullets

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<v Speaker 1>zipping past the trees. The SOG team knew how outnumbered

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<v Speaker 1>they were. They had to get out now.

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<v Speaker 3>The radio operator with them keeed the mic and said,

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<v Speaker 3>tango five one contact, need extraction. As soon as that happens,

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<v Speaker 3>we get it. We're on our way.

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<v Speaker 1>The pilots scrambled to their choppers and took to the

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<v Speaker 1>air for the SOG team on the ground of Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>The situation had gone from bad to really really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Fleming and the rest of the Green Hornets were

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<v Speaker 1>getting updates from them over the radio. The NVA had

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<v Speaker 1>the SOG team on the run.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they're after them, and they chased them all the

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<v Speaker 3>way to a riverbank, this large river which is the

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<v Speaker 3>border between Cambodia and Vietnam. And they can't get across

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<v Speaker 3>the river it's two wide. So there now, with their

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<v Speaker 3>backs to the river, set up a defensive position, put

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<v Speaker 3>Claymore minds out and fighting off these people that are

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<v Speaker 3>starting to come in on them.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ford air controller got to the area first, but

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't find the men. The jungle canopy was just

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<v Speaker 1>too dense.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact has identified where he thinks they are because

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<v Speaker 3>they're moving. He knows they're on the river, but exactly

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<v Speaker 3>where he can't really tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Then came to helicopters, two gun ships, and three slicks.

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<v Speaker 3>The first guy is to get there are the gunships?

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<v Speaker 3>What a gunships like to do more than they like

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<v Speaker 3>to do anything else, rock and roll.

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<v Speaker 1>They were blazing gunfire and rockets towards the enemy, which

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<v Speaker 1>was both helpful and not because he created a totally

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<v Speaker 1>new problem. Before the soal team had just been facing

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<v Speaker 1>the men in front of them, the ones who had

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<v Speaker 1>chased them to the river. But after a few gunship

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<v Speaker 1>passes and even larger group of enemies knew they were there,

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<v Speaker 1>they suddenly began taking fire from across the river. It

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<v Speaker 1>was coming from six enemy machine guns hidden over there.

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<v Speaker 1>They had nowhere to hide. The gunships knocked out two

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<v Speaker 1>of the machine gun positions, but then.

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<v Speaker 3>They hit the first gunship. He starts trailing blue smoke

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<v Speaker 3>and he yells, I'm hit, I'm hit.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going down.

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<v Speaker 3>He turns back, goes across the river and crash lands.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the slicks spiraled down and landed next to

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<v Speaker 1>the gunship. Their job was to rescue that crew and

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<v Speaker 1>take them to safety immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>They go home. They can't help anybody, so they're going home.

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<v Speaker 1>Only three of the five helicopters were left. Everyone on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground, the enemy and the special forces men had

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<v Speaker 1>seen the crash, and they watched as yet another Slick

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<v Speaker 1>flew off engine trouble, low fuel, So now just two

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<v Speaker 1>helicopters left.

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<v Speaker 3>The second gunship, Leonard Gonzalez goes across the team and

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<v Speaker 3>takes battle damage and starts trailing blue smoke.

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<v Speaker 4>So whaile this is going going on?

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<v Speaker 3>The Ford air controller is talking to me and he said, damn,

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<v Speaker 3>what are we going to do? I said, well, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>tell you what. This is really a lot of chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>I bet you I can get in there and get him.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the only one here. Get me low way out,

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<v Speaker 3>throw me in there. I bet you I can sneak

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<v Speaker 3>in there and get him.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim knew what kind of danger was waiting for him

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground, but he and his crew of three

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<v Speaker 1>other guys were in total agreement they had to try, so.

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<v Speaker 3>He puts me low way out to go down the

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<v Speaker 3>river and come back around. So I hit that river

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<v Speaker 3>bank and my right door gunner starts shooting. He says,

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<v Speaker 3>go right, go right, and I'm starting to go down

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<v Speaker 3>the river looking for him, and going right, going right,

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<v Speaker 3>sort of backing up, actually going.

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<v Speaker 4>Down the river.

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<v Speaker 1>The chopper was skimming over the water, flying through the bullets.

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<v Speaker 1>His door gunners and co pilot returned fire and search

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<v Speaker 1>for the team. The SOG teams saw Jim's chopper come in,

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<v Speaker 1>but as they started to move towards it, the woodline

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<v Speaker 1>in front of them erupted with gunfire. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>way for the men to make it to Jim.

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<v Speaker 3>The radio operator says, get out, get out. They got us,

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<v Speaker 3>get out. Jim got out as fast as he could.

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<v Speaker 3>He moved up and away his safety. But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim had made the man on the ground a promise,

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<v Speaker 1>a promise to come back. Remember no man left behind.

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<v Speaker 1>And now he and the rest of his crew had

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<v Speaker 1>to decide if that was a promise they could keep.

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<v Speaker 1>Daylight was fading and down on the ground. The gunfire

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<v Speaker 1>was so thick you could practically walk on it. Jim

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<v Speaker 1>was desperately low on fuel and Ammo. The last remaining

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<v Speaker 1>gunship with Gonzalez was still trailing smoke. Jim called out

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<v Speaker 1>to him.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, we've got some damn. He says, I got

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<v Speaker 4>to take this home or we're going to live out here.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to live out here in the jungle. Remember this,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Jim's worst nightmare. But his mind flashed back

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<v Speaker 1>to the men on the ground. They had to get

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<v Speaker 1>them out before dark, if they were going to get

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<v Speaker 1>them out at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I put the nose down, go down the river, and

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<v Speaker 3>as I come up and I look over, there are

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<v Speaker 3>people everywhere. The enemy is now focused in where they are.

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<v Speaker 3>They found him because they saw me. So the enemy

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<v Speaker 3>is starting to go in and I tell the fact,

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<v Speaker 3>bring me in one more time. I know where they

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<v Speaker 3>are now, bring me in one more time. As I

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<v Speaker 3>say that, Leonard Gonzalez says, you going back in and

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<v Speaker 3>said I'm gonna try it one more time. He said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you what he says, follow me. I'll go

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<v Speaker 3>over one more time. I'll give him everything I got,

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<v Speaker 3>and I gotta go home.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonzalez hit the enemy with the final blazing pass.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes over him and he rock and rolls, he

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<v Speaker 3>shoots all his rockets. They give him everything they got

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<v Speaker 3>and he says, see at home, Jim, and he takes off.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim's chopper was the only one left. He started back

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<v Speaker 1>down the river. One of his two gunners, Fred Cook,

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<v Speaker 1>was hanging out the door scanning for the team on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>And as we get further down, we're starting to take

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<v Speaker 3>some pretty good damage and Fred is shooting and yelling and.

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<v Speaker 4>Go right, go right, stop stop. I got him.

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<v Speaker 3>They had made it down to the river bank and

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<v Speaker 3>they were half in the water in the reeds, the

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<v Speaker 3>sort of underbrush and the blades had blown those reeds,

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<v Speaker 3>and we found them.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim knew there was nowhere big enough for him to land,

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<v Speaker 1>but if he hovered just above the water with his

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<v Speaker 1>landing skids against the river bank, the team might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to make it to the chopper. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>a balancing act that required some truly insane piloting skills,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would only work if, by some miracle, his

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<v Speaker 1>helicopter wasn't hit and disabled altogether. Jim hovered the UH

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<v Speaker 1>one against the river bank, his tail boom hanging just

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<v Speaker 1>above the water, and he waited for the saw team

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<v Speaker 1>they spotted it and race forward, but as they did,

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<v Speaker 1>two NVA burst out of the reeds and opened fire.

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<v Speaker 1>The men shot back, and they kept on running.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm hovering over the water as close as I

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<v Speaker 3>can get to the bank and Fred Cook, God bless him.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear him go hold your hover, hold your hover.

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<v Speaker 3>I got one. And what he's doing is he's leaning

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<v Speaker 3>down and grabbing these guys and jerking them, scrambling them in.

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<v Speaker 1>The chopper was taking fire from all sides now, but

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<v Speaker 1>Jim just kept hanging in there as calmly as a

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<v Speaker 1>mom in the school pickup line. Bullets snapped through the windshield.

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<v Speaker 1>They had four men on the chopper, then five, then six.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm looking around and I see people darting up

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<v Speaker 3>and just sort of jumping up and down, up and

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<v Speaker 3>down and shooting. And there are seven of them out there.

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<v Speaker 3>We only got six. Now I'm thinking, gosh, maybe they

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<v Speaker 3>got one of them. I've got enough.

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<v Speaker 1>He had enough men, but he didn't have all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And for Jim, was six really enough. The bullets were

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<v Speaker 1>getting closer. Now he knew there were seconds, not minutes

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<v Speaker 1>away from all of them going up in flames.

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<v Speaker 3>We got to get out of here. Sooner or later,

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna get us. Brown's going to hit the me

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<v Speaker 3>or is going to hit the engine.

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<v Speaker 1>Where was the seventh guy? Jim knew who he was,

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<v Speaker 1>Randy Harrison, the commanding officer of this group of Green Berets.

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<v Speaker 1>He had volunteered to go on this mission. Jim wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to wait for him, but he knew he was pushing

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<v Speaker 1>his luck too far. He looked over his shoulder one

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<v Speaker 1>last time.

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<v Speaker 3>And as I look over, Randy Harrison jumps up. He's

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<v Speaker 3>a fair haired guy, and he's all painted up, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's got a bandana on because he wore a bandana

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<v Speaker 3>over his light hair. I see him jump up, and

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<v Speaker 3>he looks at me, and I look at him. He

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<v Speaker 3>was the last man, and he waited till everybody was aboard.

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<v Speaker 3>He gave him a last burst of his automatic weapon,

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<v Speaker 3>threw it down, and took off to the helicopter. Randy

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<v Speaker 3>took about four steps and jumped in the water, sort

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<v Speaker 3>of a flying jump in the water, trying to hit

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<v Speaker 3>the helicopter. Missed and took about one stroke in the

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<v Speaker 3>water and got his arm over the skid. And Fred

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<v Speaker 3>Cook reaches down and grabs him by the rooksack and

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<v Speaker 3>yells let's go, and we drug him through the water

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<v Speaker 3>and off we went.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the men were on board, The fuel tanks

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<v Speaker 1>were pretty much empty. The windshield was shattered. Jim hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>even noticed it until he felt the air rushing in

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<v Speaker 1>as the chopper flew away. Not a single man had

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<v Speaker 1>been wounded, and not a single man was left behind.

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<v Speaker 1>After Jim Fleming's daring rescue, he stayed on in Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of his men, bringing them to danger and

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<v Speaker 1>bringing them home. He was wounded in January of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine and spent a few months in the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>in Japan. Then he got picked up by a helicopter,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, to head back to Vietnam. The pilot was

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<v Speaker 1>a friend of his.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, well, Jim, you're going home. I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I got another three or four months of this left.

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<v Speaker 3>He said no, he says you're going home tomorrow. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going home tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>Why.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, the President is nominated here for the Medal

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<v Speaker 3>of Honor. And I said, yeah, great, because we used

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<v Speaker 3>to joke, you know, how can you get.

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<v Speaker 4>Out of here? Well, you can be nominated for the

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<v Speaker 4>Medal of Honor. You have to go home.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, yeah, okay, right, right right. He said no,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not kidding. He says, you're going home. I'm saying, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a good one because it was true. James

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<v Speaker 1>Fleming was awarded the Medal of Honor on May fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy, by President Nixon at the White House.

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<v Speaker 5>As we think of the beginning of this country one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred and ninety years ago, we think of it as

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<v Speaker 5>the land of the free. We should all be reminded

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<v Speaker 5>that it could not be the land of the free

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<v Speaker 5>if it were not also the home of the brave.

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<v Speaker 5>And today we honor the brave men, the men who

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<v Speaker 5>far beyond the call of duty, serve their country magnificently

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<v Speaker 5>in a war very far away, in a war which

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<v Speaker 5>is many times not understood and not supported by some

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<v Speaker 5>in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>The ceremony took place just ten days after the massacre

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<v Speaker 1>at Kent State University, when members of the Ohio National

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<v Speaker 1>Guard shot into a crowd of unarmed students. The students

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<v Speaker 1>who were protesting the expansion of the war into Cambodia.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine students were wounded, four of them were killed, and

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<v Speaker 1>in response there were angry protests everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Washington, d c. Is a battleground. We had escorts everywhere

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<v Speaker 4>we went.

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<v Speaker 1>The tide was really turning against the war in Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would take another five years for it to end.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim believes that in all those years, many men did

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what he had done.

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<v Speaker 3>How many helicopter pilots are in Vietnam thousands? How many

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<v Speaker 3>helicopter pilots did what I did and got shot down

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<v Speaker 3>and died no one saw it? Hundreds? I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>While Jim did a return to Vietnam, he stayed on

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<v Speaker 1>in the Air Force. He became a colonel and taught

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<v Speaker 1>at the Officer Training School at Lachlan Air Force Base

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas. He finally retired in nineteen ninety six. By then,

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<v Speaker 1>his decorations included the Silver Star, the Distinguished Flying Cross,

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<v Speaker 1>and eight Air medals. To me, what's cool about Jim's

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<v Speaker 1>story isn't just the fireworks, you know, the adrenaline of battle.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, he wasn't rocking and rolling in the gunship.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't even shoot a gun. He flew a bus.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that bus was more powerful than any gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Could be because it was a symbol of his rock

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<v Speaker 1>solid reliability. That's what Jim is all about, and he

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<v Speaker 1>feels like that devotion to helping one another is deep

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<v Speaker 1>in our DNA.

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<v Speaker 3>I never picked up an American in combat that did

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<v Speaker 3>not when he got to the helicopter turn around and

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<v Speaker 3>put his hand out to the next guy. Never they automatically,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter how bad things were going. When he hit

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<v Speaker 3>that helicopter, that American turned around and looked for the

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<v Speaker 3>next guy to help him, made sure everybody was there.

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<v Speaker 4>That's who we are, That's who we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim left no man behind.

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<v Speaker 4>That was my duty, my honor.

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<v Speaker 3>My job was to take these soldiers into enemy territory,

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<v Speaker 3>to drop them off, to let them do their mission,

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<v Speaker 3>and go back and bring them home.

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<v Speaker 1>All of us understand the importance of showing up, of

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<v Speaker 1>keeping our word, but I think some people feel that

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<v Speaker 1>more deeply, like Jim. Maybe it was because his dad,

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<v Speaker 1>John Fleming, was there for him, showed him the power

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<v Speaker 1>of keeping a promise. Jim kept his promise to those

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<v Speaker 1>seven men in that jungle, and by doing that, he

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<v Speaker 1>gave them the chance to show up for the people

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<v Speaker 1>in their lives, just as Randy Harrison, remember him, the

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<v Speaker 1>last man on the helicopter, the fair hair guy in

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<v Speaker 1>the bandana. Here he is speaking at an event at

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<v Speaker 1>the Air Force Museum in two thousand six sixteen.

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<v Speaker 6>There is an ancient American spiritual, the words to which sorry,

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<v Speaker 6>all right. I looked over Jordan, and what did I

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<v Speaker 6>see coming forward to carrying me home? It was a

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<v Speaker 6>band of angels coming after me, coming ford to carry

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<v Speaker 6>me home. Swing low, sweet chariot, swing low, coming for

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<v Speaker 6>to carrying me home. It would be incredibly presumptuous of

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<v Speaker 6>me to assume that twice in my life a band

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<v Speaker 6>of angels and a sweet chariot will swing low to

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<v Speaker 6>carry me home. But I'll tell you what, if it

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<v Speaker 6>happens again, I'm going to know it before I see it,

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<v Speaker 6>because I've heard the sound of angels wings before. They

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<v Speaker 6>sound like a uh one ten feet off the deck,

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<v Speaker 6>coming in at full speed to carry me home, home

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<v Speaker 6>to a completed college education, home to great work, home

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<v Speaker 6>to wonderful friends, home to marriage, and home to children,

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<v Speaker 6>two sons that I would never have known were it

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<v Speaker 6>not for the Green Hornets on that day in that terrible,

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<v Speaker 6>terrible place.

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