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Speaker 2: Maybe we made a real commitment here at Bloomberg surveillans

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Speaker 2: that we would speak to the mayoral candidates. We're now

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Speaker 2: in the habit of repeating conversations. We spoke earlier to

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Speaker 2: Andrew Cromo, of course, the former governor of the state

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Speaker 2: of New York. This for the mayor's race and a

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Speaker 2: vote in November. Governor Cromo, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us again at Bloomberg this morning. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: cut to the chase. I talked to my number one advisor,

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Speaker 2: Martin Schenker this morning, decades of five borough experience. Here's

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Speaker 2: his question, how do you get the younger voter. You've

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Speaker 2: got the older voters in the outer boroughs, You've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of Manhattan voting for you, Andre Cromo, how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it's a very good question. And thank

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Speaker 3: you and good morning. Thank you for having me in

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Speaker 3: the primaries. You had a tremendous vote of the under thirty,

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Speaker 3: which is really a national phenomenon. They're highly energized. It

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Speaker 3: started as a political movement that was anti Trump. It's

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Speaker 3: now further energized by socialism, income equality, and this situation

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Speaker 3: in the Middle East, Gazam. But my point to the

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Speaker 3: under thirty years look, I agree with your statement of

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Speaker 3: the problems. Yes, affordability is a major issue. Yes, your

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Speaker 3: rent is a major issue. But the solutions being offered

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Speaker 3: by Assemblyman Mamdani are not real solutions. The answer is

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Speaker 3: not freezing the rent for four years. Economically, that doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: Landlords are not going to subsidize buildings, They'll walk away

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Speaker 3: from buildings. So yes, the problems they have identified are

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Speaker 3: care wrecked. Know the solutions offered by Assemblyman Mam Donnie

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Speaker 3: will not solve the problem.

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Speaker 4: Governor, what is your path to victory? As you sit

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Speaker 3: In a multi candidate race, Yes, you can theoretically win.

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Speaker 3: The math is much more difficult. I think reality will

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Speaker 3: I think Assemblyman Mam Donnie as Mayor of New York

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Speaker 3: that people feel that this is a radical form of socialism,

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Speaker 3: socialist city in a capitalist nation? The Assemblyman is anti police,

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Speaker 3: both for defunding the police, dismantling the police. Said the

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Speaker 3: do you recruit police officers? How do you keep police officers?

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Speaker 3: If that's your position visa VI the police? So he

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Speaker 3: and senior Democrats have said, look, when you get to September,

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Speaker 3: try to beat Mam Donnie, and the other candidate should defer.

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Speaker 1: And I've agreed to that.

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Speaker 3: I said, if I'm not the strongest candidate in September,

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Speaker 4: Well, Governor, with a little bit of hindsight, Now, well,

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Speaker 4: what is Mamdani's success in the primary? Tell you about

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Speaker 3: What it says is, first, you did have an aberration

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Speaker 1: The polls were all wrong.

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Speaker 3: Right, The polls all had me way ahead fifteen to

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Speaker 3: twenty points. They did not account for this aberration in

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Speaker 3: But what happens in the general is you have a

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Speaker 2: Andrew Cromo, with this former governor of the Empire State,

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Speaker 2: we welcome all of you across the nation. On the

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Speaker 2: across Canada, around the world as well and on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: We greatly appreciate your interests this of the mayoral race

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Speaker 2: a vote in November. Governor, I want to get into

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Speaker 2: the nitty gritty here wonderful questions from our Bloomberg News team.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday at Saint Bartholomew's Church, there was an inter denominational service,

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Speaker 2: what's the Cromo plan day one to get more NYPD

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very good point. Public safety is job

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Speaker 3: one right. Affordability is a major issue, no doubt, and

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Speaker 3: there are other issues percolating, but public safety is and

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Speaker 3: And crime is up. Some crime levels, some categories of

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Speaker 3: Yes, two interrelated issues in my opinion, to get the

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Speaker 3: Historic issues. Back in the day, you would take a

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Speaker 3: They're leaving at higher rates than ever before. Why Number one,

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Speaker 3: the salaries, and I've called for increasing the starting salaries.

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Speaker 3: But second, they've also been demoralized. You know, in this city,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Literally the statements I read you from a semblyman Mom

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Speaker 2: talked to all the different candidates. But you carry a heritage,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think two steps. First day, one, raise

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Speaker 3: more competitive, but it will also say to police, I

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Speaker 3: is I will have your back. As mayor. The relationship

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Speaker 3: It's inevitable that they're going to wind up in a controversy.

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Speaker 3: You go back to Mayor Deblasio, they literally turn their

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Speaker 3: but that was the symbolism of the NYPD saying we

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Speaker 1: We're actually the good guy. Yep.

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Speaker 4: Governor, your donors, your supporters, the donors that's back to

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Speaker 4: you in the primary. Will they continue to back you

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Speaker 4: in his general election?

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Speaker 1: Yes they will.

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Speaker 3: What they're looking for is the same thing everyone is

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Speaker 1: Right? You do have a multi candidate field.

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Speaker 3: Everyone is petrified about electing a socialist who's anti police,

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Speaker 3: If you're anti police, what makes me think that you're

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Speaker 3: They don't yet see the path with both Eric Adams

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Speaker 4: When is that point? Is there a drop that date

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Speaker 3: Look, you're in August now, everyone is doing whatever they do.

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Speaker 2: I look into Chromo, I'm forget get in folks nationwide

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Speaker 2: Andrew Croomo with us here really after very difficult ten

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Speaker 2: Andrew Cromo within, as Paul correctly mentions, the drop dead

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Speaker 1: Go out and speak to people.

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Speaker 2: There was a time, and you're old enough to remember

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Speaker 3: Look, it is all all about social media. The number,

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Speaker 3: And yes, I'm moving around the city. I'm doing all

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Speaker 2: Look at and post got a whole Let me get

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Speaker 2: one more question and Governor and Andrew Paul rather as

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Speaker 3: Ah, that is the great anomaly, that is the New

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Speaker 3: and great progress. LGA for those of people who don't

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Speaker 3: pick up the acronym. We have a new LaGuardia Airport. Finally,

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Speaker 3: higher cops. We've done it before. We have an affordable

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Speaker 3: we know how to do these things. Under thirty. This

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Speaker 3: Affordability is not just affordability for them, it's overall economic equality.

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't have billionaires and people who can't afford enough

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Speaker 3: an ideological dispute. The Middle East and Gaza is very

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Speaker 3: You would think he's running for a position in the

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Speaker 1: Yep, but that's their interest. Governor.

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Speaker 4: A lot of folks are saying that you had your

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Speaker 4: Why not let Eric Adams get his turn? How do

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Speaker 3: Well, Eric Adams had his turn right. Eric Adams was

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Speaker 3: And then Mayor Adams was indicted, as you recall, and

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Speaker 3: that was the kiss of death. That made the mayor

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Speaker 2: Tokomone time for one more question. I had the clearest

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Speaker 3: Oh, you have to fight it every step of the way. Look,

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Speaker 3: I think President Trump, I think he has gone too far.

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Speaker 3: If you're talking about dangerous criminals, Americans support New Yorkers

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Speaker 3: And you're disrupting families, and you're doing it without any

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Speaker 3: And I passed the sanctuary law for the State of

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Speaker 1: And it's just.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, we're out of time. Governor Cuoma, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for being with us today. We're looking forward to

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Speaker 2: speaking to you on the road to November