1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,177 --> 00:00:24,777 Speaker 2: All right, everybody, welcome to The Buck Sexton Show. Jared Stepman, 5 00:00:25,217 --> 00:00:27,057 Speaker 2: my man, he is with us now. He is the 6 00:00:27,337 --> 00:00:32,417 Speaker 2: author of the War on History, The Conspiracy to Rewrite 7 00:00:33,137 --> 00:00:34,297 Speaker 2: America's Past. 8 00:00:35,017 --> 00:00:35,337 Speaker 1: Jarrett. 9 00:00:35,377 --> 00:00:37,777 Speaker 2: Great to see you. I could see the book behind you. 10 00:00:38,377 --> 00:00:42,537 Speaker 2: So tell me this, my friend. What did General Schuyler 11 00:00:42,737 --> 00:00:46,697 Speaker 2: do to deserve all of the hate up in Albany, 12 00:00:46,817 --> 00:00:49,497 Speaker 2: New York recently that he was getting? What happened here? 13 00:00:49,537 --> 00:00:49,897 Speaker 1: I thought? 14 00:00:50,817 --> 00:00:55,537 Speaker 2: I thought Skyler was tied in with what Hamilton's family 15 00:00:55,657 --> 00:00:57,617 Speaker 2: or something. Right, isn't this how this all went down? 16 00:00:57,657 --> 00:00:58,937 Speaker 2: Tell me what's going on here? 17 00:00:59,777 --> 00:01:04,177 Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, it's amazing. It's to see General Philip Schuyler, 18 00:01:04,657 --> 00:01:08,937 Speaker 1: who was a general during the American Revolution, to have 19 00:01:09,017 --> 00:01:11,377 Speaker 1: his statue taken down knob of Albany, which is, of 20 00:01:11,377 --> 00:01:15,257 Speaker 1: course the capital of New York. Skyler was in fact 21 00:01:15,297 --> 00:01:18,097 Speaker 1: tied to Alexander Hamilton. He was his father in law, 22 00:01:18,737 --> 00:01:20,577 Speaker 1: was one of the more prominent men of New York 23 00:01:20,657 --> 00:01:24,617 Speaker 1: during that time. He was instrumental during the Saratoga campaign 24 00:01:24,657 --> 00:01:26,937 Speaker 1: of creating the defenses at that time, which is how 25 00:01:26,937 --> 00:01:29,737 Speaker 1: he became so prominent as a general. And at one 26 00:01:29,737 --> 00:01:32,257 Speaker 1: time he was very well thought of. He was a 27 00:01:32,297 --> 00:01:34,577 Speaker 1: prominent member of New York. He was one of the 28 00:01:34,577 --> 00:01:38,577 Speaker 1: big families. Being tied to Alexander Hamilton was something that 29 00:01:38,577 --> 00:01:41,617 Speaker 1: the family was very much proud of. The state was 30 00:01:41,697 --> 00:01:45,577 Speaker 1: very much proud of him. He's been a fairly uncontroversial 31 00:01:45,617 --> 00:01:50,737 Speaker 1: figure and a pretty prominent one until quite recently when 32 00:01:50,777 --> 00:01:53,937 Speaker 1: it was discovered that well, he owned a few slaves 33 00:01:54,017 --> 00:01:58,217 Speaker 1: during his lifetime, so therefore all of his accomplishments are 34 00:01:58,577 --> 00:02:02,137 Speaker 1: Nolan Voyd and his statue had to be removed from 35 00:02:02,177 --> 00:02:05,297 Speaker 1: the front of the Albany State Capital because people may 36 00:02:05,337 --> 00:02:07,377 Speaker 1: have been offended by the fact that he at one 37 00:02:07,417 --> 00:02:11,217 Speaker 1: point had owned slaves. So his statue was dragged off 38 00:02:11,337 --> 00:02:12,697 Speaker 1: kind of in the almost in the middle of the 39 00:02:12,777 --> 00:02:15,737 Speaker 1: night by a truck. There was very little fan feather fair. 40 00:02:15,817 --> 00:02:18,537 Speaker 1: There was very little public discussion about whether or not 41 00:02:18,617 --> 00:02:22,497 Speaker 1: people were actually offended in the community. They simply removed 42 00:02:22,537 --> 00:02:25,217 Speaker 1: the statue, got rid of it, done away with again. 43 00:02:25,257 --> 00:02:29,097 Speaker 1: Of course, many of the arguments about taking down statues 44 00:02:29,137 --> 00:02:31,937 Speaker 1: and figures of America's past revolved around whether or not 45 00:02:32,017 --> 00:02:34,777 Speaker 1: they were confederates or something along those lines. Of course, 46 00:02:35,097 --> 00:02:37,217 Speaker 1: Skyler was in no way a Confederate whatsoever. He was 47 00:02:37,417 --> 00:02:40,377 Speaker 1: tied to the American Revolution at one time, considered a 48 00:02:40,377 --> 00:02:44,057 Speaker 1: great patriot that could be celebrated by all Americans. Now 49 00:02:44,097 --> 00:02:46,097 Speaker 1: he's gone, and now he held no record of him 50 00:02:46,177 --> 00:02:48,537 Speaker 1: or his statue in front of the state capitol. 51 00:02:50,097 --> 00:02:52,297 Speaker 2: So I just need to understand what the rules are, 52 00:02:52,337 --> 00:02:57,137 Speaker 2: because if being a figure from the Revolutionary War era 53 00:02:57,377 --> 00:03:03,057 Speaker 2: in America and having any connection to slavery, having owned 54 00:03:03,497 --> 00:03:06,817 Speaker 2: slaves at any number at any point in time, is 55 00:03:06,937 --> 00:03:10,217 Speaker 2: enough to get your statue torn down, we got some 56 00:03:10,257 --> 00:03:12,857 Speaker 2: problems with the founders, don't we, right, Like what happens 57 00:03:12,897 --> 00:03:17,377 Speaker 2: to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, Yeah, what happens. 58 00:03:17,057 --> 00:03:20,897 Speaker 1: To Washington, d C. What happens to Benjamin Franklin. I mean, yes, 59 00:03:20,937 --> 00:03:23,577 Speaker 1: he did release his slaves at some point, but is 60 00:03:23,617 --> 00:03:25,657 Speaker 1: that good enough? It doesn't seem to be good enough 61 00:03:26,097 --> 00:03:29,977 Speaker 1: for those who want to destroy our past. So yeah, 62 00:03:30,017 --> 00:03:32,297 Speaker 1: we're basically going to have to cut through all the Founders. 63 00:03:32,657 --> 00:03:35,857 Speaker 1: The capital city is going to have to be renamed, 64 00:03:35,897 --> 00:03:37,897 Speaker 1: They're going to have to be names across the country 65 00:03:38,497 --> 00:03:40,617 Speaker 1: that are changed and done away with, and of course 66 00:03:40,697 --> 00:03:42,777 Speaker 1: I think there are a number of people who be 67 00:03:42,897 --> 00:03:46,417 Speaker 1: very happy if that took place. But this really gets 68 00:03:46,497 --> 00:03:50,177 Speaker 1: the heart of the criticism of America. It's history, our 69 00:03:50,257 --> 00:03:53,617 Speaker 1: founding itself, this idea that because it was linked to 70 00:03:53,897 --> 00:03:57,577 Speaker 1: ideas and things that again we today obviously reject. We 71 00:03:57,617 --> 00:04:01,657 Speaker 1: are happy that institutions like slavery are gone largely because 72 00:04:01,657 --> 00:04:05,177 Speaker 1: of the philosophy of the founding fathers, because those flaws 73 00:04:05,177 --> 00:04:08,857 Speaker 1: existed in our founding. That means we have to effectively 74 00:04:08,857 --> 00:04:12,657 Speaker 1: erase our history, or some body somewhere will be offended 75 00:04:13,137 --> 00:04:16,417 Speaker 1: and will decide that they may either officially try to 76 00:04:16,417 --> 00:04:18,417 Speaker 1: take down a statue or remove a name, or they 77 00:04:18,417 --> 00:04:20,937 Speaker 1: may do so with a mob, as we saw in 78 00:04:20,977 --> 00:04:24,497 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, where we saw people actually go after figures 79 00:04:24,497 --> 00:04:26,457 Speaker 1: in history and statues to try to take them down 80 00:04:26,497 --> 00:04:27,097 Speaker 1: to themselves. 81 00:04:28,137 --> 00:04:33,817 Speaker 2: It's remarkable, you know. There's also been recently some situation 82 00:04:33,977 --> 00:04:34,657 Speaker 2: tell us about this. 83 00:04:34,897 --> 00:04:35,457 Speaker 1: Robert E. 84 00:04:35,617 --> 00:04:41,057 Speaker 2: Lee his horse traveler. There was a marker at the 85 00:04:41,097 --> 00:04:45,417 Speaker 2: grave of Robert E. Lee Civil War Confederate general of 86 00:04:45,497 --> 00:04:49,577 Speaker 2: his horse that was messed with. 87 00:04:49,657 --> 00:04:54,577 Speaker 1: What happened here This is really quite remarkable. Traveler, his 88 00:04:54,697 --> 00:04:56,977 Speaker 1: horse that was sort of famous during the war and 89 00:04:57,017 --> 00:04:59,897 Speaker 1: after it was his favorite horse, was there at the 90 00:05:00,017 --> 00:05:05,577 Speaker 1: Washington and Lee University. They buried his horse on the grounds. Recently, 91 00:05:05,617 --> 00:05:08,737 Speaker 1: they decided that the plaque to this horse, you know, 92 00:05:08,817 --> 00:05:12,817 Speaker 1: the racist horse, had to be removed because it referenced 93 00:05:12,817 --> 00:05:14,897 Speaker 1: the fact that it was tied to Robert E. Lee, 94 00:05:15,097 --> 00:05:18,217 Speaker 1: one of the men who was responsible for the existence 95 00:05:18,217 --> 00:05:21,377 Speaker 1: of that college. He was the first president of Washington 96 00:05:21,417 --> 00:05:24,617 Speaker 1: and Lee when it became a prominent university after the 97 00:05:24,657 --> 00:05:28,137 Speaker 1: Civil War, he least served in a civilian capacity trying 98 00:05:28,177 --> 00:05:32,937 Speaker 1: to rebuild the country after the terrible Civil War. Traveler 99 00:05:33,017 --> 00:05:35,977 Speaker 1: was a well known horse. People came to put apples 100 00:05:36,017 --> 00:05:39,177 Speaker 1: by the grave and was very much beloved. But as 101 00:05:39,177 --> 00:05:42,577 Speaker 1: we've seen with the iconic class of our moment, that's 102 00:05:42,617 --> 00:05:44,657 Speaker 1: not good enough. And it doesn't matter if it's simply 103 00:05:44,977 --> 00:05:49,657 Speaker 1: a horse. This is some symbol of America's horrible, terrible 104 00:05:49,737 --> 00:05:53,137 Speaker 1: past that needs to be taken down. So they actually 105 00:05:53,937 --> 00:05:56,377 Speaker 1: cracked up the statue. They removed it and tore it 106 00:05:56,417 --> 00:06:00,017 Speaker 1: out from its place that existed there in Washington Lee campus. 107 00:06:00,057 --> 00:06:03,657 Speaker 1: And it's certainly something that should be asked, is how 108 00:06:03,737 --> 00:06:08,857 Speaker 1: long the school of Washington and Lee will continue to 109 00:06:08,897 --> 00:06:11,097 Speaker 1: exist with its name. Certainly Lee is going to be 110 00:06:11,177 --> 00:06:13,617 Speaker 1: checked off the list very soon. How soon is it 111 00:06:13,657 --> 00:06:15,497 Speaker 1: going to be Washington as well? I would say not 112 00:06:15,657 --> 00:06:17,337 Speaker 1: very I would say quite so. 113 00:06:17,577 --> 00:06:20,497 Speaker 2: Quite frankly, So, you wrote a great book, The War 114 00:06:20,577 --> 00:06:22,617 Speaker 2: on History, which people should get a copy of. They 115 00:06:22,617 --> 00:06:25,817 Speaker 2: don't have it already. Why are they waging this war 116 00:06:26,017 --> 00:06:29,657 Speaker 2: on American history? Why is the left seeking to truly 117 00:06:29,737 --> 00:06:32,497 Speaker 2: tear down physically literally tear down in the case of 118 00:06:32,577 --> 00:06:36,017 Speaker 2: some of the statues and monuments. What's this all about? 119 00:06:36,897 --> 00:06:41,017 Speaker 1: I think they see the American project, the Constitution, the 120 00:06:41,057 --> 00:06:44,777 Speaker 1: American people as a major impediment to their ideas and 121 00:06:44,857 --> 00:06:47,297 Speaker 1: their plans. I think that that is what a large 122 00:06:47,337 --> 00:06:51,817 Speaker 1: part of this is. America stands for many traditional values. 123 00:06:51,817 --> 00:06:55,497 Speaker 1: It stands for limitation on government and limitation on power. 124 00:06:56,497 --> 00:07:00,537 Speaker 1: It stands for many traditional ideas that they find repugnant, 125 00:07:00,537 --> 00:07:03,497 Speaker 1: and so I think their aim is to, of course, 126 00:07:03,577 --> 00:07:07,257 Speaker 1: want to associate America with all terrible things. Of course, 127 00:07:07,697 --> 00:07:11,377 Speaker 1: outside the larger scope of history. When you go after 128 00:07:11,417 --> 00:07:14,457 Speaker 1: American history, you say, oh, America has a legacy of 129 00:07:14,577 --> 00:07:17,777 Speaker 1: racism and has a legacy of slavery. Well, the whole 130 00:07:17,777 --> 00:07:20,777 Speaker 1: world has a legacy of racism and slavery. What has 131 00:07:20,817 --> 00:07:24,177 Speaker 1: made America different, of course, is that there are criticisms 132 00:07:24,217 --> 00:07:27,217 Speaker 1: of those things even from the beginning. Even from that founding, 133 00:07:27,617 --> 00:07:30,337 Speaker 1: of course, we have things like the sixteen nineteen Project 134 00:07:30,337 --> 00:07:33,697 Speaker 1: and other I think radical ideas that say that essentially, no, 135 00:07:33,977 --> 00:07:36,937 Speaker 1: the entire point of the United States wasn't liberty, wasn't 136 00:07:36,977 --> 00:07:41,177 Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six. It was slavery and tyranny, and therefore 137 00:07:41,977 --> 00:07:44,417 Speaker 1: you should give us power. We're going to tear down 138 00:07:44,457 --> 00:07:46,457 Speaker 1: all those good things that you thought were good, which 139 00:07:46,457 --> 00:07:49,057 Speaker 1: were actually terrible. We're going to tear down those things 140 00:07:49,057 --> 00:07:51,377 Speaker 1: and put something in its place. And I think that 141 00:07:51,377 --> 00:07:53,417 Speaker 1: that is a large part of what this is. It's 142 00:07:53,497 --> 00:07:59,617 Speaker 1: not a nerdy discussion about history or statues. It's about power. 143 00:07:59,817 --> 00:08:02,617 Speaker 1: It's about power in our society, and it's about removing 144 00:08:03,417 --> 00:08:06,897 Speaker 1: any symbol or notion of traditional ideas that I think 145 00:08:06,937 --> 00:08:09,297 Speaker 1: built this country and have made this country great. It's 146 00:08:09,297 --> 00:08:14,097 Speaker 1: about removing those from symbols of status in this country. 147 00:08:14,137 --> 00:08:16,217 Speaker 1: And I think that the left, unfortunately has been very 148 00:08:16,217 --> 00:08:17,297 Speaker 1: successful in doing so. 149 00:08:17,857 --> 00:08:20,617 Speaker 2: I want to come back and ask you this question. 150 00:08:20,817 --> 00:08:22,577 Speaker 2: I'll put it out to you now, Jared, you can 151 00:08:22,617 --> 00:08:25,617 Speaker 2: answer it to after our quick word from a sponsor here. 152 00:08:25,657 --> 00:08:28,337 Speaker 2: But it's what do they want to replace our history with? 153 00:08:28,857 --> 00:08:31,737 Speaker 2: So hold that thought for a second. 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Use my name 181 00:09:49,097 --> 00:09:55,137 Speaker 2: buck for that ninety percent discount iedrive dot Com. Okay, so, Jared, 182 00:09:56,177 --> 00:09:58,537 Speaker 2: if they want to tear our history down, what does 183 00:09:58,617 --> 00:10:00,417 Speaker 2: the left plan to replace it with? 184 00:10:02,177 --> 00:10:04,497 Speaker 1: You know, I think there are many things. I think 185 00:10:04,537 --> 00:10:07,297 Speaker 1: you have to look at the writings and the ethos 186 00:10:07,377 --> 00:10:10,057 Speaker 1: of for instance, Nicole Hannah Jones, who is the creator 187 00:10:10,297 --> 00:10:14,057 Speaker 1: of the sixteen nineteen project that became very famous that 188 00:10:14,177 --> 00:10:16,257 Speaker 1: was pushed by the New York Times that now exists 189 00:10:16,257 --> 00:10:21,377 Speaker 1: and schools across our country. Her mentor was an outright communist, 190 00:10:21,417 --> 00:10:23,417 Speaker 1: and not just a communist, but a Stalinist. He thought 191 00:10:23,417 --> 00:10:25,817 Speaker 1: that the United States was an evil country, as an 192 00:10:25,817 --> 00:10:29,817 Speaker 1: evil institution that needed to be brought down. He said 193 00:10:29,857 --> 00:10:32,297 Speaker 1: a lot of things that were in fact outright. I 194 00:10:32,337 --> 00:10:37,017 Speaker 1: think defensive of Joseph Stalin, the Soviet dictator. I think 195 00:10:37,057 --> 00:10:39,657 Speaker 1: that she has a very left wing, I think Marxist 196 00:10:39,697 --> 00:10:41,697 Speaker 1: view of the world. I think that she wants to 197 00:10:42,337 --> 00:10:45,057 Speaker 1: lay this country low. She wants to tear up its 198 00:10:45,097 --> 00:10:48,497 Speaker 1: traditions and replace it with something a morkin to her 199 00:10:48,537 --> 00:10:50,697 Speaker 1: Marxist philosophy. But I think there are also a lot 200 00:10:50,697 --> 00:10:55,817 Speaker 1: of liberals, just social liberals, who feel extreme guilt about 201 00:10:55,897 --> 00:11:00,497 Speaker 1: this country's past, to have simply allowed those to criticize 202 00:11:00,497 --> 00:11:03,257 Speaker 1: our country, tear it down, have offered no resistance, no 203 00:11:03,337 --> 00:11:06,657 Speaker 1: defense this country because they feel embarrassed about this country. 204 00:11:06,697 --> 00:11:09,497 Speaker 1: They think it really is just a racist, bigoting country 205 00:11:10,177 --> 00:11:12,417 Speaker 1: that has no reason to be defended. I think what 206 00:11:12,417 --> 00:11:15,377 Speaker 1: it's going to leave us with is a lot of radicals, 207 00:11:15,377 --> 00:11:18,337 Speaker 1: empower people who want to control your life, who want 208 00:11:18,377 --> 00:11:23,017 Speaker 1: to aggrandize themselves, and a lack of resistance and the 209 00:11:23,057 --> 00:11:25,977 Speaker 1: institutions that we're supposed to at one time defend what 210 00:11:26,137 --> 00:11:29,897 Speaker 1: made this country great. Unfortunately, many of those institutions now 211 00:11:30,017 --> 00:11:34,297 Speaker 1: work actively against it. I mean, you talk about Harvard 212 00:11:34,377 --> 00:11:36,537 Speaker 1: or Yale or the Ivy leagues or any of the 213 00:11:36,577 --> 00:11:39,537 Speaker 1: other elite institutions. They're no longer able to put up 214 00:11:39,537 --> 00:11:42,257 Speaker 1: any kind of defense of what built this country, even 215 00:11:42,257 --> 00:11:45,257 Speaker 1: built those institutions themselves. And so I think this is 216 00:11:45,297 --> 00:11:48,977 Speaker 1: a lot about gaining power and power over you and 217 00:11:48,977 --> 00:11:52,857 Speaker 1: me and just regular Americans across this country and reducing 218 00:11:52,937 --> 00:11:56,057 Speaker 1: any kind of resistance, reducing i think the constitutional limits 219 00:11:56,097 --> 00:11:58,977 Speaker 1: on power, and empowering them in society. And I think 220 00:11:58,977 --> 00:12:01,017 Speaker 1: that's what a big part of this is. They have 221 00:12:01,177 --> 00:12:05,457 Speaker 1: ideas of creating this revolution that's going to equalize things. 222 00:12:05,457 --> 00:12:08,937 Speaker 1: Of course, they themselves will not actually surrender the power 223 00:12:08,977 --> 00:12:12,737 Speaker 1: that they have. Person This is about controlling you in 224 00:12:12,777 --> 00:12:13,457 Speaker 1: your life. 225 00:12:14,017 --> 00:12:15,817 Speaker 2: What do we know about some of these fights that 226 00:12:15,897 --> 00:12:19,337 Speaker 2: have come up on a policy level. Florida as a 227 00:12:19,417 --> 00:12:21,817 Speaker 2: one example of this with Governor Ron De Santis and 228 00:12:21,937 --> 00:12:29,337 Speaker 2: the pushback on a black studies curriculum. Why is it 229 00:12:29,377 --> 00:12:33,257 Speaker 2: that these days we're being told that there's a problem 230 00:12:33,297 --> 00:12:36,697 Speaker 2: with teaching honest history. That's what they'll say. And then 231 00:12:36,737 --> 00:12:38,937 Speaker 2: you look at this and say, well, wait, how is 232 00:12:38,977 --> 00:12:42,857 Speaker 2: critical race theory honest history If you're supposed to be 233 00:12:42,897 --> 00:12:46,097 Speaker 2: talking about like the American Revolution or you know, other 234 00:12:46,177 --> 00:12:49,657 Speaker 2: periods in history. It seems like there's an infusion of 235 00:12:49,737 --> 00:12:51,697 Speaker 2: ideology that's going through all of this. 236 00:12:51,817 --> 00:12:56,057 Speaker 1: Now, that's exactly what it is, that honest history line 237 00:12:56,057 --> 00:12:58,457 Speaker 1: which continues to be used over and over again. It's 238 00:12:58,617 --> 00:13:01,457 Speaker 1: quite remarkable given the fact that they themselves do not 239 00:13:01,537 --> 00:13:04,617 Speaker 1: promote honest history when they're actually pressed to it. I mean, 240 00:13:04,657 --> 00:13:07,057 Speaker 1: the sixteen nineteen project headed a number of flaws that 241 00:13:07,097 --> 00:13:10,617 Speaker 1: they absolutely denied that even got criticism from which was 242 00:13:10,657 --> 00:13:13,617 Speaker 1: funny from even some socialists criticized it because it was 243 00:13:14,337 --> 00:13:17,857 Speaker 1: just bad history in general. So I think there's that 244 00:13:17,977 --> 00:13:19,897 Speaker 1: element to it. I think what it really is it's 245 00:13:19,897 --> 00:13:22,817 Speaker 1: about imposing an ideology on the American people. This really 246 00:13:22,897 --> 00:13:26,657 Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with actual historical baits about 247 00:13:26,897 --> 00:13:29,337 Speaker 1: the various peoples of the past and the arguments they 248 00:13:29,377 --> 00:13:32,537 Speaker 1: had about structure of government. This is about power in 249 00:13:32,577 --> 00:13:36,257 Speaker 1: the modern times. It's about imposing ideology on the American people, 250 00:13:36,417 --> 00:13:39,137 Speaker 1: especially young people who don't maybe have a lot of 251 00:13:39,657 --> 00:13:43,457 Speaker 1: knowledge about history anymore about civics, something that's very much 252 00:13:43,497 --> 00:13:46,297 Speaker 1: been lost in this country, where they're willing to accept 253 00:13:46,337 --> 00:13:48,697 Speaker 1: I think a lot of radical ideas because they don't 254 00:13:48,737 --> 00:13:50,817 Speaker 1: know any better. They don't know much about the founding. 255 00:13:50,897 --> 00:13:53,097 Speaker 1: They don't know much about the history of the country 256 00:13:53,257 --> 00:13:56,457 Speaker 1: or the world around us. They haven't been taught to 257 00:13:56,537 --> 00:13:59,897 Speaker 1: have that kind of informed patriotism that I think existed 258 00:13:59,897 --> 00:14:03,177 Speaker 1: for previous generations. That's been lost in the newer ones, 259 00:14:03,217 --> 00:14:05,537 Speaker 1: and it's made us quite susceptible to a lot of 260 00:14:05,617 --> 00:14:09,177 Speaker 1: radical ideas that have nothing to do with history, have 261 00:14:09,217 --> 00:14:12,297 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the truth, And I think this 262 00:14:12,377 --> 00:14:14,137 Speaker 1: is really the problem of where we are. I think 263 00:14:14,137 --> 00:14:17,497 Speaker 1: it's it's great to see states like Florida and hopefully 264 00:14:17,617 --> 00:14:21,817 Speaker 1: many others finally battle back, especially on this issue of 265 00:14:21,937 --> 00:14:24,097 Speaker 1: curriculum and what we're going to pass along to the 266 00:14:24,097 --> 00:14:25,577 Speaker 1: next generations of Americans. 267 00:14:26,217 --> 00:14:28,377 Speaker 2: Are you a country music guy, Jared? 268 00:14:30,777 --> 00:14:33,377 Speaker 1: I do like some country music. I'm not a fan 269 00:14:33,417 --> 00:14:36,777 Speaker 1: of all the all the new pop country music, but 270 00:14:36,817 --> 00:14:39,537 Speaker 1: I do enjoy country music alongside a lot of other music. 271 00:14:39,657 --> 00:14:41,297 Speaker 2: So I want to ask because I want to ask you. 272 00:14:41,297 --> 00:14:43,697 Speaker 2: You know, there's the fight over history, but there's also 273 00:14:43,737 --> 00:14:47,217 Speaker 2: the fight over culture, and these things are very much intertwined. 274 00:14:47,737 --> 00:14:50,657 Speaker 2: And you may have seen that Jason al Dean is 275 00:14:50,737 --> 00:14:53,057 Speaker 2: getting a little bit of a little bit of heat. 276 00:14:53,097 --> 00:14:55,337 Speaker 2: We'll come back to this in just a second. They're 277 00:14:55,337 --> 00:14:59,017 Speaker 2: saying that he has a song that is racist, I 278 00:14:59,097 --> 00:15:02,737 Speaker 2: think is what they're claiming the country music star. We'll 279 00:15:02,737 --> 00:15:04,257 Speaker 2: talk about it, but you know, something's in the works 280 00:15:04,337 --> 00:15:06,657 Speaker 2: right now that couga down as the worst government power 281 00:15:06,697 --> 00:15:09,697 Speaker 2: grab in history. According to very smart economists and author 282 00:15:09,697 --> 00:15:13,217 Speaker 2: doctor Gnomi Prins, our financial system could soon spiral into chaos. 283 00:15:14,017 --> 00:15:16,897 Speaker 2: She's speaking about a dangerous new program put forward by 284 00:15:16,897 --> 00:15:19,897 Speaker 2: the Buying Administration. This isn't about banning gas powered cars, 285 00:15:19,897 --> 00:15:23,097 Speaker 2: but a total ban on cash itself. She sees the 286 00:15:23,177 --> 00:15:26,257 Speaker 2: launch of a new technology called fed now. 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That's disappearing 295 00:15:50,377 --> 00:15:51,417 Speaker 2: dollar dot com. 296 00:15:51,457 --> 00:15:51,817 Speaker 1: Go there. 297 00:15:51,897 --> 00:15:55,017 Speaker 2: Check it out at Disappearing dollar dot com. Paid for 298 00:15:55,137 --> 00:15:59,417 Speaker 2: by Rogue Economics. All right, Jared, why did they why 299 00:15:59,417 --> 00:16:01,577 Speaker 2: are they having such a big problem with try that 300 00:16:01,697 --> 00:16:04,177 Speaker 2: in a small town. The Jason Alden. 301 00:16:03,937 --> 00:16:07,897 Speaker 1: Song, Yeah, it's it's really amazing. And I loved his 302 00:16:08,297 --> 00:16:11,177 Speaker 1: song Flyover States. I think it is a great patriotic song. 303 00:16:12,457 --> 00:16:15,177 Speaker 1: But there's really a freak out going on right now 304 00:16:15,217 --> 00:16:18,017 Speaker 1: with the left because of this song by Jason al Dean, 305 00:16:18,097 --> 00:16:22,097 Speaker 1: which shows the various images of the protests and I 306 00:16:22,097 --> 00:16:24,537 Speaker 1: would say the riots that took place in twenty twenty. 307 00:16:24,577 --> 00:16:27,857 Speaker 1: And the song has lyrics that say things like, well, 308 00:16:27,857 --> 00:16:31,017 Speaker 1: we're not going to accept robbing a store, beating up 309 00:16:31,017 --> 00:16:34,017 Speaker 1: a grandmother, talking about the crime that exists in a 310 00:16:34,017 --> 00:16:36,217 Speaker 1: lot of big cities across this country. Some of those 311 00:16:36,257 --> 00:16:40,817 Speaker 1: cities I've lived in, I've experienced. The song is basically about, hey, 312 00:16:40,857 --> 00:16:43,457 Speaker 1: in our small town, don't try to do anything violent here. 313 00:16:44,617 --> 00:16:47,217 Speaker 1: We don't accept that in small town America. I think 314 00:16:47,257 --> 00:16:50,337 Speaker 1: it's actually a great message for the song. The way 315 00:16:50,377 --> 00:16:52,057 Speaker 1: that the left has twisted this is to say that 316 00:16:52,137 --> 00:16:55,657 Speaker 1: he's actually promoting violence in his song, that this is 317 00:16:55,697 --> 00:16:58,897 Speaker 1: a pro lynching song that some have said on the left, 318 00:16:59,337 --> 00:17:03,457 Speaker 1: and this has actually prompted his music to be canceled 319 00:17:04,257 --> 00:17:08,417 Speaker 1: on CMT. There's a lot of leftist celebrities, Cheryl Crow 320 00:17:08,457 --> 00:17:12,297 Speaker 1: and many others saying that this song is deeply inappropriate, 321 00:17:12,337 --> 00:17:15,457 Speaker 1: that it's racist, that it's offensive, and so he's being 322 00:17:15,497 --> 00:17:18,937 Speaker 1: canceled for this. I think, very much like the econoclastic 323 00:17:19,057 --> 00:17:22,017 Speaker 1: movement that's taken down statues in American history, I think 324 00:17:22,057 --> 00:17:25,097 Speaker 1: they're going after al Din. They're canceling an actual person, 325 00:17:25,497 --> 00:17:28,417 Speaker 1: this case a country music star for saying something that 326 00:17:28,497 --> 00:17:32,377 Speaker 1: bucks the narratives that they want about America, which is 327 00:17:31,577 --> 00:17:35,297 Speaker 1: that the twenty twenty riots were good and well and 328 00:17:35,337 --> 00:17:39,097 Speaker 1: that any opposition to them makes you a racist, defending 329 00:17:39,337 --> 00:17:41,577 Speaker 1: a country that's based on systemic racism. 330 00:17:41,817 --> 00:17:44,777 Speaker 2: It also seems perhaps a little crazy to say this, 331 00:17:44,817 --> 00:17:47,377 Speaker 2: but I think it's I think it's true, or maybe 332 00:17:47,417 --> 00:17:49,457 Speaker 2: it's just the observation sounds crazy when you say it 333 00:17:49,457 --> 00:17:51,577 Speaker 2: out loud. I think that the left really has just 334 00:17:51,617 --> 00:17:54,377 Speaker 2: developed a hostility for the notion of small town like 335 00:17:54,417 --> 00:17:55,977 Speaker 2: small town America bad. 336 00:17:57,857 --> 00:18:01,297 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this idea that, oh, those hillbillies and the 337 00:18:01,297 --> 00:18:04,697 Speaker 1: small towns, they're just a bunch of bigots and know 338 00:18:04,817 --> 00:18:07,457 Speaker 1: nothings and they're bad and we should look upon them 339 00:18:07,497 --> 00:18:10,417 Speaker 1: as bad, and anything that praises them or says something 340 00:18:10,417 --> 00:18:14,377 Speaker 1: good about their lifestyle we're against and is in itself 341 00:18:14,417 --> 00:18:17,177 Speaker 1: bigoted and racist. I think that's the mentality you have now. 342 00:18:17,217 --> 00:18:21,257 Speaker 1: There's just this deep contempt, I think, an elite contempt 343 00:18:21,697 --> 00:18:24,417 Speaker 1: of large swaws of America. I mean, most Americans do 344 00:18:24,497 --> 00:18:27,377 Speaker 1: come from small towns. It's really amazing. You know. At 345 00:18:27,417 --> 00:18:29,697 Speaker 1: one time in this country there used to be kind 346 00:18:29,697 --> 00:18:32,617 Speaker 1: of recognition like, look, we like the cities, we like 347 00:18:32,657 --> 00:18:35,577 Speaker 1: small towns, we like all parts of our country. There's 348 00:18:35,577 --> 00:18:38,297 Speaker 1: something good and specialle about each one of those. But 349 00:18:38,377 --> 00:18:40,537 Speaker 1: I think what you're getting from many of the elites 350 00:18:40,537 --> 00:18:42,817 Speaker 1: in this country is this idea that it's funny, it's 351 00:18:42,897 --> 00:18:46,777 Speaker 1: almost ironic, given this song about flyover States, about people 352 00:18:46,857 --> 00:18:49,577 Speaker 1: kind of mocking the middle of the country. You know, 353 00:18:49,617 --> 00:18:51,977 Speaker 1: as anybody who's been to large parts of the middle 354 00:18:52,017 --> 00:18:54,697 Speaker 1: of the country, I think so there are many wonderful 355 00:18:54,697 --> 00:18:58,497 Speaker 1: places across this country, from sea to shining Sea. But 356 00:18:58,537 --> 00:19:00,177 Speaker 1: there's a real contempt I think for a lot of 357 00:19:00,217 --> 00:19:03,377 Speaker 1: Americans maybe who haven't gone outside the confines of New 358 00:19:03,457 --> 00:19:06,057 Speaker 1: York City or Los Angeles. For the people who live 359 00:19:06,137 --> 00:19:08,697 Speaker 1: in those places, they see as representative of many of 360 00:19:08,697 --> 00:19:12,377 Speaker 1: the traditional views that they find utterly contemptible and want 361 00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:14,737 Speaker 1: to destroy and eliminate, just like the statues. 362 00:19:16,137 --> 00:19:19,217 Speaker 2: I want to end this podcast on a positive note 363 00:19:19,377 --> 00:19:22,937 Speaker 2: chart though it's important we talk about these important issues. 364 00:19:23,937 --> 00:19:25,657 Speaker 2: If you had to tell them, it's your history, guy, 365 00:19:25,697 --> 00:19:27,497 Speaker 2: You've written a defensive history. You don't like when they 366 00:19:27,537 --> 00:19:34,097 Speaker 2: destroy the history. Your three best historical films all time? 367 00:19:34,297 --> 00:19:38,937 Speaker 2: You get three your three favorite history movies right, So 368 00:19:39,057 --> 00:19:43,337 Speaker 2: anything that is a historical piece, what are they. 369 00:19:44,857 --> 00:19:48,297 Speaker 1: Does is that consider? Does that consider like a series? Two? 370 00:19:48,537 --> 00:19:50,217 Speaker 1: Like historical series? 371 00:19:50,497 --> 00:19:55,937 Speaker 2: Oh no, movies, just movies. Feature films, sir, feature films only. 372 00:19:57,137 --> 00:20:00,697 Speaker 1: Okay, So one, I love The Battle of Britain, which 373 00:20:00,737 --> 00:20:02,977 Speaker 1: is just one of my favorite war movies. It's just 374 00:20:03,057 --> 00:20:05,497 Speaker 1: like one of those great classics, a lot of great actors, 375 00:20:05,497 --> 00:20:08,337 Speaker 1: a lot of great action. Another one is maybe a 376 00:20:08,337 --> 00:20:12,577 Speaker 1: little off kilter. One is Rawn by Kira Kurosawa, which 377 00:20:12,617 --> 00:20:15,337 Speaker 1: I think is a great take on Shakespeare. It's actually 378 00:20:15,417 --> 00:20:20,057 Speaker 1: King Lear. I highly suggest that people go back and 379 00:20:20,097 --> 00:20:22,097 Speaker 1: watch the movie. It's a little less known in the 380 00:20:22,217 --> 00:20:26,457 Speaker 1: United States, but as an incredible, incredible action sequences on 381 00:20:26,457 --> 00:20:29,897 Speaker 1: top of being Shakespeare. I think the last one is 382 00:20:30,097 --> 00:20:33,217 Speaker 1: a personal favorite of mine, which is to Tour Tour, 383 00:20:33,297 --> 00:20:35,657 Speaker 1: which is about Pearl Harbor, which is one that I 384 00:20:35,697 --> 00:20:39,337 Speaker 1: think I watched about fifty times when I was a kid, 385 00:20:39,737 --> 00:20:42,497 Speaker 1: that I think is a great historical take on an 386 00:20:42,497 --> 00:20:45,377 Speaker 1: attack on Pearl Harbor. Of course The Day That Will 387 00:20:45,417 --> 00:20:49,097 Speaker 1: Live in Infamy, which is definitely heavy on the history, 388 00:20:49,177 --> 00:20:51,337 Speaker 1: but has a lot of great scenes that of course 389 00:20:51,537 --> 00:20:54,217 Speaker 1: use a lot of the planes and the actual things 390 00:20:54,217 --> 00:20:57,777 Speaker 1: that were there in World War Two at Pearl Harbor. 391 00:20:57,817 --> 00:20:59,657 Speaker 1: That I just found to be a great movie. It's 392 00:21:00,017 --> 00:21:03,297 Speaker 1: historically accurate, and a lot of the technology they use 393 00:21:03,417 --> 00:21:06,377 Speaker 1: was accurate too. It didn't rely on the modern cgi 394 00:21:06,537 --> 00:21:07,857 Speaker 1: as much that I don't like as much. 395 00:21:08,177 --> 00:21:10,377 Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I don't think I've heard of 396 00:21:10,417 --> 00:21:13,657 Speaker 2: any of those movies before. So I learned something new. 397 00:21:13,737 --> 00:21:16,417 Speaker 2: Do the do the show Gater Day by Fred Everybody 398 00:21:16,457 --> 00:21:18,737 Speaker 2: should get a copy. I'll check out those movies I 399 00:21:18,737 --> 00:21:21,937 Speaker 2: would be. I'd say, like Braveheart, Gladiator, you know a 400 00:21:21,977 --> 00:21:24,777 Speaker 2: little more. I do love Master and Commander. So apparently 401 00:21:24,777 --> 00:21:27,177 Speaker 2: I'm a big Russell Crow historical epic fan, Last of 402 00:21:27,217 --> 00:21:32,097 Speaker 2: the Mohicans. But you've you've expanded my horizons, mister Steppens. 403 00:21:33,217 --> 00:21:34,857 Speaker 2: Part of part of how you roll. I know that 404 00:21:35,097 --> 00:21:37,297 Speaker 2: ever should get a copy of the War on History. Jared, 405 00:21:37,337 --> 00:21:38,977 Speaker 2: thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it. 406 00:21:39,017 --> 00:21:39,777 Speaker 1: Thank you so much.