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Speaker 1: to start with this. There was an article I read.

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Speaker 1: I was actually tipped off to this article because I

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Speaker 1: was listening my boss for the Athletic Tim Cawakami, covers

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Speaker 1: the Niners and Raiders very closely, also does a lot

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Speaker 1: with the Warriors, and he had on Bob Meyers, the

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Speaker 1: general manager with the Warriors, and he was talking about

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Speaker 1: the draft because the Warriors are got awful, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna they have the worst record in the NBA as

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Speaker 1: of recording this. Steph Curry's coming back tonight, but they'll

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Speaker 1: rig it so they'll get the worst record in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: So they're gonna have a really high draft pick. And

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Speaker 1: Bob Myers was saying that Mike Dunlevy Jr. Who is

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Speaker 1: the NFL combine and it was from I might be

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Speaker 1: screwing up his name. I met him at the combine,

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Speaker 1: Sheila Uh Kapitia. Again, I probably just butchered that name,

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Speaker 1: but met him at the combine. I followed him on

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Speaker 1: Twitter forever. Bald guy Uh covered the NFL really smart.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he writes some really impressive stuff for the Athletic.

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Speaker 1: But Bob Meyers read this article and it was about

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Speaker 1: different seven different things teams could do better job of

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Speaker 1: improving their organization and their drafting habits. And one thing

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Speaker 1: to this Wharton professor, So guys clearly pretty smart. The

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Speaker 1: deals with like people's habits, and he just studies people,

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Speaker 1: and he did a study on the NFL draft and

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Speaker 1: one thing that he came the information that he came

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Speaker 1: about a conclusion. For the forty last forty years he

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Speaker 1: started studying it. Like the eighties, until this last year,

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Speaker 1: the draft hit and misrate has basically stayed the same.

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Speaker 1: The percentage of guys you hit and miss on in

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Speaker 1: the NFL draft has not changed since the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 1: Think about that for a second, and it to me,

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Speaker 1: it makes sense. We're dealing with human beings, so it's

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Speaker 1: it's never gonna be a quantifiable thing no matter how

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Speaker 1: much information we have, and trust me, haven't been there.

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Speaker 1: We have a ton of information. You have all the

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Speaker 1: personal information, you have, the tape, you have, the analytics,

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Speaker 1: you have it all, but you can't measure someone in hide.

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Speaker 1: But I think it does show you just how risky

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Speaker 1: the draft is. In the top ten this year, they're

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, when all these trades are going down,

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Speaker 1: But I've always believed in trading prospects for elite players,

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Speaker 1: even if that means multiple elite prospects for proven goods.

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Speaker 1: When I first got the job in Philly, they were

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Speaker 1: That guy became a bus in. Roy Halliday had like

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Speaker 1: It happens all the time. Mookie Betts. You see all

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Speaker 1: these guys get traded for problem. I would always do that.

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Speaker 1: Chargers got a probe old guard Trent Williams is available now.

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Speaker 1: He's older, but he didn't miss a year, so he

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Speaker 1: last couple of years. Howie Roseman trades were golden tape.

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Speaker 1: This year, John Lynch, Kyle Jannahan trade for Emmanuel Sanders.

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Speaker 1: They know what they're getting. They gave away Kyle gave

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Speaker 1: And I think there is it's becoming less and less

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Speaker 1: But Vic Fangio, one of the better defensive minds, tells John,

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Speaker 1: I think this guy fits perfectly in our system. You're

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Speaker 1: think more and more, the smarter general managers we have,

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Speaker 1: we used to have a bunch of meat heads, and

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Speaker 1: but they go, you know what, if I can get

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Speaker 1: worth the risk. Now, it's still on you to run

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Speaker 1: a good organization, to have your ship together as a

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Speaker 1: have traded last year for Odell Beckham. Now I'm not

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Speaker 1: he came to the league as Eli Manning was falling apart.

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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa right now is worth. If Nick Bosa was

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Speaker 1: just I'm just a state school guy, not a law degree.

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Speaker 1: Whenever you're when you're acquiring a business, it's basically just

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Speaker 1: are you talking double digit meetings every day? Well, John,

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Speaker 1: I'm only talking to agents players on our team. Yeah,

428
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Speaker 1: that's true. Good point, Good point. Get you out here

429
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Speaker 1: on this. You know the league better than anyone I've

430
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Speaker 1: ever met. Your division is kind of unique because you

431
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Speaker 1: have three brand new head coaches, so there's just some

432
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Speaker 1: unknown despite I mean, Ron and Mike have a long

433
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Speaker 1: track record, but still, you know, is that kind of

434
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Speaker 1: a weird unique position just trying to keep because you

435
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Speaker 1: gotta follow your division, and that's what I mean when

436
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Speaker 1: we go into that, you know, we say it all

437
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Speaker 1: the time, it's like, we gotta win our division first.

438
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Speaker 1: That's that's the first goal. Um. But at the same token,

439
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Speaker 1: like we have to build our team to not only

440
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Speaker 1: try to win our division, but try to compete with

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Speaker 1: the best in the NFC, the best in the a

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Speaker 1: f C. And so we feel like, um, we don't

443
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Speaker 1: want to just kind of make sure that we win

444
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Speaker 1: the matchups in division, which we look at that. You know,

445
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Speaker 1: we're saying, hey, this team has this particular player. How

446
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Speaker 1: are we matching up with this guy who we faced

447
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Speaker 1: twice a year. There's no doubt about that, because we

448
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Speaker 1: gotta win our division first. But we can't get into

449
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Speaker 1: kind of the psychological game of like, you know, Mike

450
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Speaker 1: McCarthy was just out of here, what is he going

451
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Speaker 1: to do different that maybe week you could overthink you

452
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Speaker 1: can overthink it, And so we just got to focus

453
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Speaker 1: on the ways we can improve our team, the ways

454
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Speaker 1: we think that is the best way to build our

455
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Speaker 1: team and with the players who fit best for our team,

456
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Speaker 1: and then as we go forward to here really kind

457
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Speaker 1: of studying figure out the ways to beat those teams.

458
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Speaker 1: I've read you said this, so I'm not breaking any news.

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Speaker 1: You still keep the four the NFC and an f

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Speaker 1: C championship boards in your office keeping an eye it's

461
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Speaker 1: out there, like you. You may have been helping me

462
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Speaker 1: put that together on those and I think for that

463
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Speaker 1: because it's I look at it every day and I

464
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Speaker 1: look at the matchups and what I'm saying, you know,

465
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Speaker 1: how can we get pressure on this quarterback? You know,

466
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Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? How are we taking this

467
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Speaker 1: guy down in the open field. You can put your

468
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Speaker 1: own players and you know those things, but um, it's

469
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Speaker 1: the most important thing. I mean, getting a home playoff game,

470
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Speaker 1: and really the bye is the key in this whole thing.

471
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Speaker 1: So this year with the Niners, there's no doubt. I mean,

472
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Speaker 1: when was the last time to you guys when you

473
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Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl? The back think the Giants in

474
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Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. We're the last team to go wild

475
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Speaker 1: card round and now, and that doesn't mean it can't

476
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Speaker 1: be done. But what's the easiest way to go through it?

477
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Speaker 1: And so the first path is through your division. Then

478
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Speaker 1: the second path is to get to buy. Then the

479
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Speaker 1: third path is to get the one seed, and then

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Speaker 1: you try to roll thanks y nice Sean. Always great

481
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Speaker 1: to see Hi Man, good to see you too. Thanks well.

482
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Speaker 1: How he's good. He's like, uh, it's like Floyd Mayweather.

483
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Speaker 1: You can try to give him some stuff, but he

484
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Speaker 1: is Uh, he's secretive in a football way. So he's

485
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Speaker 1: not giving away any of his tips. He ain't giving

486
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Speaker 1: away any of his tricks to the competition. Uh. He

487
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Speaker 1: really values that stuff. In terms of the public comments.

488
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Speaker 1: You can see you know, it's it's already get some

489
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Speaker 1: stuff out of him. I've known him now for a decade,

490
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Speaker 1: and uh, truly, I've been around a lot of people

491
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Speaker 1: in the league. He knows the rosters and the players

492
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Speaker 1: and the contracts, the combination of like whether they're good

493
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Speaker 1: or bad. It's really incredible. He's just like he's he's

494
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: seen twenties drafts, and when you've been in the league

495
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Speaker 1: that long and you've been a part of the draft,

496
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Speaker 1: you just know every player in the league. And then

497
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Speaker 1: when you're part of the contract part, you know how

498
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Speaker 1: much they're paid, the value, you understand the cap. He

499
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Speaker 1: really has a a special skill set. Like it's not

500
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Speaker 1: shocking that he built a team that won the Super

501
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Speaker 1: Bowl several years ago and then two years ago they

502
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Speaker 1: made the playoffs and won a playoff game. And the

503
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Speaker 1: last year really despite crazy injuries, they still made the playoffs.

504
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Speaker 1: And I get their division was down, but they beat

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Speaker 1: all the teams in the division down the stretch. I mean,

506
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Speaker 1: it's part of the deal. What was their final record

507
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: nine and seven? And uh they lost that playoff game,

508
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Speaker 1: which who knows do they win if Carson is healthy?

509
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Speaker 1: It still would have been hard because they had so

510
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Speaker 1: many injuries, but they had no chance with Josh McCowen

511
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Speaker 1: on a torn hamstring. I know that. Let's dive into

512
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Speaker 1: something that this guy has been getting a lot of hype,

513
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: been getting a lot of love, and been rising. And

514
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Speaker 1: I said something last week at the combine. It's pretty

515
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Speaker 1: clear that the information that I gathered, and I'm not

516
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Speaker 1: gathering like, I'm not asking how he about his draft.

517
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Speaker 1: For one, He's not gonna tell me too. I I

518
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Speaker 1: just I asked him big picture stuff and I'm talking

519
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Speaker 1: about off the red kurt of coach Reid or Naggie.

520
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: But I asked my friends who are assistant scouting directors,

521
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Speaker 1: college scouting directors, pro scouts what they think of players

522
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Speaker 1: those that's really the opinion I want to get for

523
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: the draft because they got no dog in the fight

524
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Speaker 1: right there, They're not Sometimes if you ask a decision maker,

525
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Speaker 1: now I'm not schefter rap sheet where I'm gonna influence

526
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Speaker 1: a guy stock or not. But I do just want

527
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Speaker 1: the what you think about a guy. And really, if

528
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Speaker 1: I text any of the decision makers that between just

529
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Speaker 1: me and them, they'll answer the question. But I get

530
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Speaker 1: my best information from my my buddies that are boots

531
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Speaker 1: on the ground because they have no bone to pick. Now.

532
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: They may not like a given player, but they shoot

533
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Speaker 1: it straight. So I've been asking a lot about Jordan's

534
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Speaker 1: love and he clearly is one of the most polarizing

535
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Speaker 1: players in the NFL. Well, ask a couple of buddies

536
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Speaker 1: if they thought he was a better prospect coming out

537
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Speaker 1: than Josh Allen, who went seven two years ago to

538
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, who at Wyoming did not ever really

539
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Speaker 1: have a good season, was really just all talent, not

540
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Speaker 1: much production, And multiple guys responded, he's a better prospect

541
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Speaker 1: than Josh Allen. I went to YouTube and I watched

542
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Speaker 1: about a fifteen minute cut up of a lot of

543
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Speaker 1: his good plays over his career. After watching that. I

544
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Speaker 1: understand because I agree he is a better prospect than

545
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen as a prospect. I'm not factoring in the

546
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Speaker 1: picks last year. I know he threw seventeen. I'm just

547
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Speaker 1: factoring it as him as in a vacuum as a

548
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Speaker 1: quarterback prospect. He's six ft four, he's two pounds, He's

549
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: got huge hands. He ran a four seven four forty.

550
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Speaker 1: He has a thirty five in vert. You just watch

551
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: him on tape. He definitely could move so physically he's gifted.

552
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: He's tall, he's athletic. His arm strength is pretty nice.

553
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Speaker 1: I mean he's got a cannon. I wouldn't say he's

554
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Speaker 1: got Josh Allen Mahomes arm, but he definitely has an

555
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Speaker 1: above average NFL arm. So you just put that in

556
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: a vacuum. Well, if I'm an NFL head coach and

557
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm an offensive head coach, I got an ego. I

558
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: think that I can coach guys up and Matt Wells,

559
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: who's now the coach at Texas Tech, who I've followed.

560
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: We've followed each other on Twitter forever. I haven't deemed

561
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: him yet about Jordan's love, but he left Texas Tech

562
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: last year or four Texas Tech last year when Cliff

563
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 1: Kingsbury got fired. That means Jordan Love had a brand

564
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Speaker 1: new coach last year. So his worst season at Utah

565
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: State was with a new coach. And I guess I've

566
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: read this that he had eight new starters on offense,

567
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: so there was a lot of turnover. And then I

568
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: looked at in his final two years. He had seventeen

569
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Speaker 1: picks last season. He had six the year before, So

570
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Speaker 1: he through his last two years of playing, he had

571
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Speaker 1: twenty three total interceptions. To put in context. Now, I'm

572
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Speaker 1: not saying I'm not even comparing these two guys, but

573
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Speaker 1: Mahomes had twenty five two more picks his last two

574
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: seasons than Jordan Love. So I think you have to

575
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: understand when people go, you know, he's not a decision maker.

576
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: He throws too many picks. That's not the way offensive

577
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: coaches look at this. When you have the arm strength

578
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: and you have the tools, they'll go, we'll figure it out.

579
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: We'll skiing this guy up, we'll coach this guy up,

580
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: we'll develop this player. Now, in a perfect world, watching

581
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, I think he should sit, he should not

582
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: play right away. But I don't know if that's realistic

583
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty, because consistently, when these guys are

584
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: get drafted, they don't sit, and they definitely don't make

585
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: it through the whole first year. I would say Mahomes

586
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: lasted the longest of any highly drafted guy over the

587
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Speaker 1: last decade, and he still played one game his rookie year.

588
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: But Sam Donald, Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel, Baker Mayfield. You

589
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: just go through the list. I'm talking about the guys

590
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: that did not start week one, they find a way

591
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: to start by week six, or Troubinsky, Deshaun Watson because

592
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: their teams just end up needing the guy. Because usually

593
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Speaker 1: when you're drafting a first round quarterback, it's not a

594
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Speaker 1: situation where you have an Alex Smith starting or Brett

595
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: Farves starting, or back when Carson Palmer, John Kitten, those

596
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: days feel over. So I think it's easy to say

597
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: in a draft room, ideally this guy would sit. So

598
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Speaker 1: if you're the Las Vegas Raiders, sit a year before

599
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: behind Derek Card, Now that gets a little complicated because

600
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Speaker 1: car still a young player. I think the best case scenario,

601
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Speaker 1: you draft Philip Rivers, you signed this guy behind him

602
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: or draft this guy behind him to sit and learn,

603
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: But I think it gets difficult. So can you coach

604
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: and learn and coach this guy up on the fly?

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Speaker 1: I do think what could benefit this individual is, like Mahomes,

606
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Speaker 1: he ended up on a really good team. So if

607
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: this guy can last out of the top ten and

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Speaker 1: get a team to come up in trade for him,

609
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Speaker 1: whether it be in New England, whether it can be

610
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Speaker 1: the Colts, whether it just be a team that's the

611
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: Bucks that have an established head coach, that have an

612
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: identity on offense, maybe has a chance. So and I

613
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Speaker 1: think this gets back to in general, when you get

614
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: drafted really high, it's not always good. Right when you

615
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: get drafted, I mean Baker Mayfield went number one. Now

616
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Speaker 1: it's very lucrative to get drafted number one. You get

617
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Speaker 1: over thirty million dollars guaranteed, so you're a rich man immediately.

618
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Speaker 1: And I guess you become famous and you get State

619
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Speaker 1: farm commercials or whatever his his UH insurance commercials are,

620
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: so he makes a lot of money. Sam Donald goes three.

621
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Speaker 1: He goes to the freaking Jets. No one wants to

622
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Speaker 1: go to the Jets. No one wants to go to

623
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Speaker 1: the Browns. But you go look at Josh Allen, who

624
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: three or four spots later gets to go to the Bills,

625
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: who at the time we're just coming off the playoffs,

626
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: and now a couple of years later, it looked like

627
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Speaker 1: you guys all listen to Sean McDermott last week. They

628
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: know what the hell is they're doing, and Josh Allen

629
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Speaker 1: is in a pretty damn good situation. Right Look at

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson who falls util the end of the first round,

631
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: ends up with the Ravens. John Harbaugh built the offense

632
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: around him. Dude wins the MVP. How have you lasted

633
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: the second around like Jimmy Garoppolo, you end up going

634
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: to the Patriots. Now you want to go high. That's

635
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: what I would imagine any young player wants to go

636
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: really high in the draft. But sometimes if you slip

637
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Speaker 1: a couple of spots, like if you can get into

638
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Speaker 1: the teams I get some of these teams that trade

639
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: up and get you, it actually behooves. You look at

640
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Speaker 1: Shawn Watson. Is Deshaun Watson. Now if he was on

641
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: the Bears, they'd be good. But some of those crappy

642
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Speaker 1: teams that passed on him, like the Browns, he ends

643
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: up with the Texans. Three start years, three stirt years

644
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, elite player, good team, bang boom, He's good.

645
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: It's just a perfect match. Now, the Texans have some

646
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Speaker 1: issues and he might have got killed if they didn't

647
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: trade for Laramie Tunzel. But but the Texans are pretty

648
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean they make the playoffs every year. So I

649
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: think with Jordan's love, I saw enough in that YouTube clip.

650
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Speaker 1: Now I'm only seeing the positives. And when I was

651
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Speaker 1: at Fresno State, Pat Hill taught me this, and he

652
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: had learned this from Ozzy Newsom and Bill Belichick when

653
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: he worked in Cleveland. You never do a full evaluation

654
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: off a highway tape. Now, luckily, I'm just the media

655
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: guy and I just need to give a general opinion.

656
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: And I'm good at this. I can tell enough watching

657
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: the tape what his positives are. I don't see the negatives.

658
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: Like on that tape there are no plays of him

659
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: against the Blitz. There are no they're not showing his interceptions.

660
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not drafting the guy. I just

661
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: if I just can see the positives. And remember Bill

662
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: Walsh used to be show me what he can do

663
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: and this guy can do a lot. There were clearly

664
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Speaker 1: a lot of negatives this year, so you would have

665
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Speaker 1: to dive into those with him when you bring him

666
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Speaker 1: in on his visit and see if that's a that's

667
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: a combination of him trying to be a hero, that's

668
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 1: a combination of the cast not being good enough. If

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Speaker 1: he just made some stupid plays, you have to really

670
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Speaker 1: figure it out. But there is no disputing and this

671
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Speaker 1: is a talent League sports, the Pro Sports. I don't

672
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Speaker 1: know anything about this guy's character. I don't know anything

673
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: about this guy's head upstairs, right So I'm just gonna

674
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Speaker 1: assume it's good until I hear otherwise, because I think

675
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: if it was otherwise, it'd be out there. So if

676
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Speaker 1: you assume it's good, he's a he's a hard worker,

677
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Speaker 1: smart guy. You feel like he'll give you everything he

678
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: has then he then he had. He definitely has a

679
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: chance because his his attributes if you just YouTube him

680
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: speak for themselves. And the quarterback position, as we saw

681
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: last year, Baker Mayfield got lazy, he got fat, and

682
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: he sucked. But a guy like Josh Allen just keeps working,

683
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: keeps working, and he keeps improving. Lamar Jackson, nobody care

684
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Speaker 1: or work harder. He keeps gonna getting better. Now, if

685
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Speaker 1: you're Johnny Manziel and you're screwing around seven, you're gonna suck.

686
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: Look at Dak Prescott. He ain't the most physically gifted guy,

687
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: high character, high intangible, hard worker like he has his

688
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: down moments, but he it's hard. He's not gonna fail.

689
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Speaker 1: So if this guy checks all the boxes off the field,

690
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Speaker 1: I saw enough that I understand. I'm not saying it's

691
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Speaker 1: gonna work because we're bound to get some busts. And

692
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Speaker 1: as I talked about to open the show, the bus

693
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Speaker 1: rate in the NFL has not changed in forty years. Now.

694
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Speaker 1: I do think when it comes to quarterbacks it's a

695
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: little easier to play the position because the rules have changed.

696
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Speaker 1: So we're bound to get a couple we haven't. We've

697
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Speaker 1: really just had Rosen I mean, Baker was trending the

698
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Speaker 1: wrong way last year, but we haven't had that many

699
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Speaker 1: the last several years high picks. So they're bound to

700
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Speaker 1: be one or two coming because you can't not every

701
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: guy is just gonna be a hit. But it's just

702
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Speaker 1: if this guy checks the boxes off the field, I

703
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Speaker 1: I I understand why someone's gonna draft from really high

704
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Speaker 1: and you see the chances for him to be, you know,

705
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Speaker 1: a good NFL player. Okay, let's dive into the Middle

706
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Speaker 1: Cough mail bag, and I've gotten a lot of questions.

707
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: I know some of you guys have DM me on

708
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Speaker 1: Brady in the latest with Brady and Jimmy, I'm a

709
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: little bradyed out. I also talked about it pretty in

710
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Speaker 1: depth on my other Haybrooman, a Middle Cough podcast. We

711
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: we dove into the pros and cons compared to him

712
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: and Jimmy and if the Niners should be interested. There's

713
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: a lot of guessing right now. People keep what do

714
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna end up? I have no clue.

715
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know anyone that knows him. I

716
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: don't know anyone in New England. I just I, oh no,

717
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: and uh it's it's a fun topic. And I did

718
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: thirty five forty minutes on my other podcast about just

719
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: him and Jimmy. But I truly don't know where he's

720
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Speaker 1: gonna go. I I just don't know. You know, it

721
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: gets weirder by the day. You know you think I

722
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Speaker 1: don't know, And that's what makes a story kind of

723
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Speaker 1: cool too, Okay at John Middlecoff slide into my d

724
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Speaker 1: m S quick question. I don't understand the player's issue

725
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: with the franchise tax. Seems like a deal that most

726
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: people in everyday life would turn their nose up at

727
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: in their own jobs. Well, I think here's the thing.

728
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Speaker 1: If you're good enough to get franchised, that means I'd

729
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: say it's safe to assume that typically you're one of

730
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Speaker 1: the best players on the team, and meaning if you're

731
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Speaker 1: willing that team is willing to pay you top five

732
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Speaker 1: at your position, you would probably get a lot of

733
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Speaker 1: money in the open market. And like in any business,

734
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: when you sign a contract, you know that contract is

735
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: five years, two years a year, and the contract is over,

736
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Speaker 1: so you can only franchise me if my contracts over. Now,

737
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Speaker 1: it's not the worst thing, because you do get a

738
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Speaker 1: lot of money. But in the sense of if if

739
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Speaker 1: someone's will if I'm a defensive lineman, let's say a

740
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle, and the franchise tag is like fifteen million dollars, well,

741
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Speaker 1: if I'm a good player, instead of getting one year

742
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Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars, I might be able to get fifty

743
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Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed on the open market. So it's just

744
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: it's just basic economics. You know, the the amount of

745
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Speaker 1: money most players now, if you're running back like Levian Bell,

746
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Speaker 1: ultimately he didn't lose. He lost money, right, he gave

747
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: up the fourteen million and then he only made twenty

748
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: seven so he basically lost thirteen million. But because he

749
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Speaker 1: could have had the fourteen and the twenty seven. But

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of players, wide receivers, lineman, quarterbacks

751
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: that there were so much on the open market. So yeah,

752
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, twelve fifteen, eighteen million, a quarterback million dollars.

753
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: Great Kirk Cousins got eighty five million dollars as a

754
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: free agent. So there is a huge huge gap between

755
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Speaker 1: free agency and the franchise tag for the for the

756
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Speaker 1: elite players. Uh. I've heard the term scheme about a

757
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: few times lately. Can you quickly dive into what that

758
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: process looks like? Keep up the great work, love the

759
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: Andy Reid interview. Well, I've never been part of a

760
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: scheme evl. I mean I've been in the office when

761
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: when I was at Fresno State and then in Philly

762
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: when they're going over it what it means is during

763
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: the season, you're not self scouting really, you're really much

764
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Speaker 1: more focused on improving your own players and then scouting

765
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: your opponent. Now, obviously you're always trying to you know,

766
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: break tendencies like if you're if on every second and

767
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: seven you run the same play, by about week five

768
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: or six, you're gonna have to change that up. But

769
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Speaker 1: at the end of the season, you go back through

770
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 1: every down in distance, every red zone situation, every third

771
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: and long, you name it, and you self scout your

772
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: play calling and your players. So when you do a

773
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: scheme eval, I guess the scheme eval is much more scheme,

774
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: but you're basically you're also watching your own players. You're

775
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: really judging what works and what doesn't. From a big

776
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: picture standpoint, the emotion of the season, you're much more

777
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: well rested because you're not living to the day today

778
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: just trying to win a game. You can you can

779
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: think about the uh you could just take you know,

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00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: like a bird's eye view on it. Where in the

781
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: season you're just kind of in the mud. You're just

782
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: trying to get through. It's like you just you're trying

783
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Speaker 1: to cross the river and you'll do whatever it takes.

784
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: To get across that river, whether you've gotta swim, whether

785
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: you can walk through it, whether you've got to take

786
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: a horse through it. You just want to get to

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00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: the other side. That's the equivalent of just winning a

788
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: game and then you want to win the next game.

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Speaker 1: When the season ends, you need to look at your

790
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: operation and try to get better. I think we all

791
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: do it. Whatever business you're in, when you have year

792
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: end reviews, when you have quarter reviews, when you take

793
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: a step back and you review products, whatever industry you're in,

794
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: you're constantly evaluating after a while the process or the product,

795
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: and I think that's all a scheme of value is.

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00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: Now a coach could probably get more in depth to

797
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: what they specifically do, like I don't know if they

798
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: break it down, you know, first and five, first and eight,

799
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Speaker 1: first and ten say, I don't know exactly how they

800
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: do it, but I know they're just trying to figure

801
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: out things that can help them win in the future.

802
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: That teams can't find tendencies because that's all football is.

803
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: Once you have a good play, you're gonna run it

804
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: over and over and then it becomes a tendency, especially

805
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: in certain situations. According to over the cap. The Bills

806
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: have the third highest effective cap space. If you were

807
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Speaker 1: Brandon Bean, how would you spend it? The Bills will

808
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: have to pay their young defensive talent soon. Is there

809
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Speaker 1: anything they can do to front load new free agent

810
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: deals to keep space open for trays? Contract is up? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the number one key would be wide receiver.

812
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Speaker 1: And you go, well, they already traded Sammy Watkins, so

813
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Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't do that unless they get Sammy for cheap.

814
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Speaker 1: But I don't think he'd come for cheap. I don't

815
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Speaker 1: think even if a Mark Cooper were to hit free agency,

816
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Speaker 1: he would be a great fit. So you look at

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Speaker 1: the wide receivers. Nothing there now? Would could you trade

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Speaker 1: for a guy? You know? Would you be willing to

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Speaker 1: trade you know, that pick in the twenties if you

820
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Speaker 1: could ever get Like I'm I'm just throwing these random

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Speaker 1: guys out, Mike Evans to me, you'd want a big

822
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Speaker 1: body guy. I'm just throwing a couple of random guys out. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans is my Kevin's Julio Jones. I think the

824
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Speaker 1: Bills now are in that market. If a guy lacked

825
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Speaker 1: that becomes available, you have to be open minded to

826
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Speaker 1: trading for him. I think you know that little running

827
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: back they drafted, but you could always use another one.

828
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Speaker 1: You could always use a tight end. You could just

829
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Speaker 1: use all offensive skill guys with Austin Hooper, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think they'd be crazy to not be in the

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Speaker 1: Austin Hooper uh kind of a ballpark. I don't Jimmy

832
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Speaker 1: Graham got cut. I mean, he's a good red zone target.

833
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Speaker 1: But when I think the Bills, I think tough, physical,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he makes much sense, makes

835
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Speaker 1: much sense? Uh so yeah, I mean I just think

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Speaker 1: you're in the tight end wide receiver market, you know,

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Speaker 1: and any time that you could get a pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: So could you trade like a mid round pick if

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Speaker 1: the Niners resigned Eric Armstead and get de Ford as

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00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: a nickel pass rusher. You know, he's basically this year,

841
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: which just costs you fifteen million for the cap. So

842
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: if you could get him for like a fourth round pick,

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Speaker 1: would you do that? Could that help you get over

844
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Speaker 1: the edge? Look at de Ford has been a starter technically,

845
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: wasn't starter in the Niners, but I mean a key

846
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: player for teams that have been dominant the last two years,

847
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Speaker 1: So I think you have to be open minded, maybe

848
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Speaker 1: two trades because the reality is when it comes to

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Speaker 1: free agency, most guys that hit free agency and they're

850
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: not worth overpaying. They're they're They're just not. So I

851
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: would try to improve weaknesses because their positives in terms

852
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: of the defense is all we are already great now.

853
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: They need a pass rusher, but they could They could

854
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: use a pass rusher and then offensive skilled guys. Big

855
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: Niners fan from the Midwest in a heavy Chiefs area.

856
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the Andy read interview. Appreciate it. You

857
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: don't often get an NFL coach to be that candid, No,

858
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: you don't, especially guy I just want a Super Bowl. Also,

859
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: thanks for all the Niners talk to season on Hayreman Middlecoff.

860
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: No problem helps a guy who doesn't live in the

861
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: area of the team be is connected to a guy

862
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: who lives in the area. Big as fan as well.

863
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: Hoping you guys will cover this is just a positive.

864
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I don't I don't look at the

865
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: d ms before I read them. That's why I try

866
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: not to just read the the stroke, but you know,

867
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: it feels good sometimes should should The Panthers part ways

868
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: with Marty Hernie if this season is a bust. This

869
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: is the second ten year as the Panthers GM. While

870
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: he hit on drafting Cam Newton and Luke Keickley, hard

871
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: to miss on those two agree one guy went number

872
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: one overall. I think they drafted Luke eight. And I

873
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: remember that offseason we needed a middle linebacker. It was

874
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: the year as my it was my second year in Philly.

875
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 1: We end up getting Fletcher Cox and we really wan't.

876
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: We love Luke Kickley. But about by about this time

877
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: it was clear. Once Luke went to the combine and

878
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: ran like a four eight, it was like, yeah, this

879
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: guy is not going to leave the top ten. And

880
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 1: I remember Andy Reid told Howie that he was gonna

881
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: be a Hall of Famer, and Andy was right. I mean,

882
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 1: the guys, guy's a superstar. What's your take on the guy?

883
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: I I think the problem is is I don't know

884
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: the relationship with Matt Rule and Marty Herny. Because Matt

885
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: Rule has been in the NFL one year, you know,

886
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: as an assistant for the Giants. He spent the majority

887
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: of us time in college. So he's gonna need a

888
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: personal personnel guy that knows the league, those free agents,

889
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: knows contracts, just knows the draft, knows colleges, those prospects.

890
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: So it becomes a little complicated. I just ask who

891
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: does Matt Rule know well in the personnel sector? Now,

892
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: if he's got a personnel guy, then yeah, I would

893
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: say Marty Hernie is in some trouble. But if Matt

894
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: Rule legitimately likes Marty Hernie a lot, I don't know.

895
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't know Matt Rule, I don't I don't know

896
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: anything about their relationship. But to me, he'll be as

897
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: safe as Matt Rule wants to make him. It's Matt

898
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: Rule show. Marty Hernie is just kind of there along

899
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: for the ride, so if Matt Rule likes him, it'll

900
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: be okay. The Brady situation feels obvious to me. There's

901
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: never been more money in football, and Tom is pushing

902
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: the new TV twelve product. I feel like Tom knows

903
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: he's staying in New England, but has an opportunity for

904
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: the entire sports world to store up his band for

905
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: a couple of months and before breaking the news. All

906
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: this equates some more revenue for Tom. What's your take

907
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: if he stays in New England, he definitely played it

908
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: up for business reasons, and I think we'd all have

909
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: to give him credit. That's a smart move. If he leaves,

910
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: I think this he it's pretty clear he didn't have

911
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: a definitive team in mind. He wasn't dead set on

912
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: going back to New England. If he resigns with the Paths,

913
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: I think it would be fair to say, regardless what's written,

914
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: he was leaning that way the entire time. If he

915
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: goes to the Titans, if he goes to the Chargers,

916
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: if he some ounds up on the Niners, he pretty

917
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: he went into this open minded right. He's like a

918
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: dude on a dating app, like, let's just see what's here.

919
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I keep saying, I don't know.

920
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: I can give opinions on specific places, but I can't

921
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: pretend to know where he's going because every day I

922
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: hear something different and I'm I mean, I'm a horror

923
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: for these type stories. I love him, but this one

924
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: it's hard because I don't even have an idea. Like

925
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: last year with Kevin Durant, it was clear he was

926
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: going to the Knicks, he ended up not going to

927
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: the Knicks because James Dolan is an idiot, but he

928
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: still ended up with the nets. He ended up in

929
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: New York. You know, when we knew twice Lebron, it

930
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: was clear he's gonna come home, and then a couple

931
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: of years ago it was like everyone knew he was

932
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: going to l A for a year. That's what makes

933
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: this kind of crazy, is like, where is he gonna go?

934
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: I I wish I knew, I wish I do. I

935
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: I hope. I hope it works out for him. I

936
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: would hate for him to go somewhere and then for

937
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: it to suck and just kind of ruin his legacy.

938
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: I know Naggy is your guy, and I like him too.

939
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: He is he is thinking that a few new staff

940
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: members are gonna be enough to turn things around. Is

941
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 1: that going to be enough? Do you do? You think

942
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: they have the right stuff there and just need to

943
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: shove Trabinsky in the correct direction? Uh? I think the

944
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: staff members he he was it was. I don't know

945
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: if through listening through it, but being next to him

946
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: and talking about it evident how excited he is to

947
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: have Laser and John D. Filippo, Bill Laser and John D.

948
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: Filippo in the building and he can kind of take

949
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: a step back. Let them got Let those guys coach

950
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: Mitch and take it from there. I think the big

951
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: picture question is, and this is not his fault, he

952
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: didn't draft the player. Is Mitch good enough because he

953
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: had Naggy coaching him? The Naggy takes a step back.

954
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Now he has John D. Filippo's coach, Carson Wentzie, has

955
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: Bill Laser, who's coach different players and had success. He's

956
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: at guys that have had success coaching quarterbacks. John D.

957
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: Filippo just coach Gardner Minshew. I think he won Offensive

958
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Week like six times. So if Mitch,

959
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 1: if you can get more out of him, we're gonna

960
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: find out. There's a chance Mitch isn't. Sometimes at the

961
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: highest level, you're just not good enough. I would lean

962
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: that way, though clearly I'm biased. I want Naggie to

963
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: have success. I'm just kind of a pseudo Bears fan.

964
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: Now I'm rooting for the Bears, and maybe their defense

965
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: gets back to really dominating again. They draft a tight

966
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: end or signed a couple of offensive guys and kind

967
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: of get some momentum that way. But we'll see that

968
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: there is there is a ton of pressure on Trabisky.

969
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: Now here's the positive. The Lions stink, They are not good.

970
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: The Vikings lost Everson Griffin. There's a chance that they

971
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: trade digs. They just might not be as good next year.

972
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: Their margin freyris just Harrison Smith's a year older, Hunters

973
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: a year older. Some of their prime guys are just

974
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: a little older. There. You know, Feelings banged up a lot.

975
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: Their offensive line stinks, and the Packers will see I

976
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: mean they could if they nail a wide receiver and

977
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: nail tight end, could be really good. Or they could

978
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: just be a little bit smoking mirrors last year and

979
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: be more like a nine ten win team. So that

980
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: division actually might come back to the Bears a little

981
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: bit if Mitch kind of gets it rolling again to

982
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: be a double digit win team and to win the

983
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: division like they did two years ago. So I actually

984
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: think that division has a lot more questions that it

985
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: does answers, which is a good thing for the Bears

986
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: and Mitch. But there's a simple reality. If Mitch plays

987
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: like he does last year, they got no shot and

988
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: they're just gonna be a middle level team. And that's

989
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: that's based on the defense being good. If the defense

990
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: isn't good, they'd win five or six games. If Mitch

991
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: is good and he's never gonna live up to be

992
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: in the number two overall pick. I think it's fair

993
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: to say, but if he is just a solid starter,

994
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: then they can win ten eleven games. I mean, it's

995
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: just it just comes down to that. What if the

996
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: Cowboys let Dak Walk trade up to get Jordan's Love,

997
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: then signed Brady for two years, They could then franchise Cooper.

998
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: It would take a lot to trade up, but if

999
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: they could make it happen, this would shake the league

1000
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: and plan a solid foundation for the Cowboys. Also love

1001
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: the podcast, Keep doing what you're doing. I don't hate

1002
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: this idea. I am all for this idea. Now, the

1003
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: Cowboys who missed the playoffs are drafting what eighteen twent

1004
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: somewhere in there, like the last team to miss the playoffs. Uh,

1005
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: it would probably take them to get Jordan's Love a

1006
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: couple of first rounds, you know there this pick, a

1007
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: second rounder and first rounder. But if they got Brady,

1008
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: they keep a MARII. They have a pretty good base

1009
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: there right to you know, hit the ground running. Agree

1010
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: would shake up the league? Would be fun. I'm all

1011
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: for that scenario. But for that scenario to work, One,

1012
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: they would have to be willing to punt on Doc,

1013
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: which doesn't seem like they are going to do to

1014
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: Brady would have to pick them. So I guess the

1015
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: first thing Brady would have to say, Hey Jerry and

1016
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: Hey Mike McCarthy, I want in, which if he did,

1017
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: I think they would listen. Then two would they punt

1018
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: dak for him? How much would he cost? So there

1019
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: is a variable out of their control. The most important

1020
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: variable for this would Tom want to go there? If

1021
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: Tom did, then who knows? That'd be fun. That would

1022
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: be really fun. Appreciate everyone listening, Have a great weekend,

1023
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Speaker 1: three out podcast, Tell your friends Grassroots Organic. If if

1024
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: my Instagram spammed you, I got hacked kind of also

1025
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Speaker 1: my fault, my bad. Tried to get a free Amazon

1026
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Speaker 1: gift card after I hit this link. It was stupid,

1027
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Speaker 1: It was dumb. You live, and you learn, col Paul,

1028
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Speaker 1: you learned by doing so if I spammed you, my bad,

1029
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Speaker 1: just don't hit it. And if not, enjoy the weekend.

1030
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Speaker 1: March Madness right around the corner. Free agency right around

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