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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Blazarre and Lazarre. So everybody nailed it. Joined as always,

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Speaker 2: buy our Bark Gatherer Gap.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars You know me, Alex, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: The hardest thing for me to do with the draft

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Speaker 2: Aace is to watch running backs. I always wait until

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Speaker 2: like April so to get to the running backs because

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Speaker 2: I I hate watching running backs. I just don't know why.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't move anything like watching the line. It's similar.

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Speaker 2: It's just you know what it is is like running

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Speaker 2: backs in college, especially the backs that come from the

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Speaker 2: big schools. They have so much room to do things

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Speaker 2: that I'm just like, I don't think that this any

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Speaker 2: of this translates. That is such a topical opening. That

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Speaker 2: is a perfect timing because I had just texted Alex

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Speaker 2: Ace this morning that today is the day that I

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Speaker 2: ripped the band aid off and start watching some of

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Speaker 2: these god forsaken running backs. And that's exactly what I

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Speaker 2: was doing before the show. And I got to tell

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Speaker 2: you it was as difficult as I thought it was

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Speaker 2: gonna be. Like it's like pulling teeth for me, and

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Speaker 2: I sent you a screenshot of me watching. I was

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Speaker 2: at Mike Washington from Arkansas. It's the first running back

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Speaker 2: that I decided to check off the list, and he's

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Speaker 2: just got this tractor trailer sized hole to run through

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Speaker 2: that me or Alex could have ran through this whole ace.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, this is not how this is

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Speaker 3: Have a really, really good point, and that's why I

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Speaker 3: really liked that take because it never translates. No star

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Speaker 3: prospect wide receiver does the exact thing he did in

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Speaker 3: college on the field in the big leagues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, here's all this room is in

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Speaker 2: front of him, Like he runs fast, you know, big

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Speaker 2: dude runs fast. I get it, But it was just

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Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, obviously he's gonna hit a big

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Speaker 2: run here. Honestly, I came away from that Arkansas tape

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Speaker 2: thinking that the guy in the backfield that mattered was

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Speaker 2: Taylor Green, the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: The quarterback obviously okay, but he was so you like

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Speaker 2: I suppose game I forget to Texas A and M

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Speaker 2: A game.

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Speaker 1: They got a good front.

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Speaker 2: That's why I picked that one because I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: NFL players on that Texas A and M front. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I came away wowed by anything that that

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Speaker 2: the running backs did in that game, and I was

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Speaker 2: just like, oh God, here we go. The first one.

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Speaker 1: The first I would not and I texted you this,

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Speaker 1: I would not have had Mike Washington be the first

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Speaker 2: Well, I just was going by the consensus board. I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna watch for one.

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Speaker 1: He's he's gonna go too high.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna watch love. There's no point in watching him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Mike Washington's not going to be a

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, they had him in for a thirty visit reportedly.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: So I had him on my list. Here's my list.

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Speaker 2: I sent it to you.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch any others?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: No? Because I couldn't get through it. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Do your job?

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Speaker 2: Mike was job? What do you think I'm doing I'm trying.

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Speaker 2: It's hard.

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Speaker 1: You said you couldn't get through it, like your job

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's tough. I know, woe is me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I get that. This is ridiculous that I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Poor Evan has to watch running backs all day.

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Speaker 2: I We'll get to recency buys later and I'll gush

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Speaker 2: a little bit more about Taylor Green. He was the

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Speaker 2: talking about the freaking running back. So Mike Washington, Yeah, Jonahlem.

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Speaker 1: Jonah Coleman, if he's like the ceiling for me of

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Speaker 2: Emmitt Johnson from Nebraska's on my list. Nick Singleton from

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Speaker 1: I like him, and he's like a stylist. He could

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Speaker 2: You actually on my Lin Allen, the other Penn State

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Speaker 2: The guy that everybody wants Adam Randall from Clemsons.

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna watch the receiver tape too, or just

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Speaker 2: I'll watch the tape that's available, whatever he's got.

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Speaker 1: You usually don't always go back to like previous year,

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Speaker 2: Kaylin Black? Kayl Black Indiana? And then the two guys

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Speaker 2: Right, once we get into five, six, seven, I'll know

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Speaker 2: of the players hopefully, but like if I haven't done

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Speaker 2: give myself some grace on that. So I when it

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Speaker 2: not gonna draft a running back. No, you need that background, right,

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Speaker 1: Right, I can put together a list of corners for you.

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Speaker 2: They're not gonna draft Colton Hood. They're not gonna draft

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Hi, Evan Lazar, Alex Barth's behind the glasses

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Speaker 2: you can tell off and running here on catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Busy day today. We got some things to get to

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Speaker 2: from the owners meetings, the league's meetings, I should say

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Speaker 2: Special Teams roster reset, and then we'll get into some

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Speaker 2: of the draft stuff like the recent Pro Day buzz,

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Speaker 2: So we'll get to all of that. Let's start with

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Speaker 2: the league meetings and what Mike Rabel had to say

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Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez is a headline. Obviously, his whole answer about

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Speaker 2: I do wonder if there's schematically and we can talk

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Speaker 2: Not every great elite quarterback has that as their number

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Speaker 2: one trait. A lot of these quarterbacks have skill and

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Speaker 2: to just figure something out, versus let's move the mic,

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Speaker 2: let's get him blocked, let's you know, design a route here,

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Speaker 2: let's do that, Let's do this, and we're traffic coppying

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Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage. What was your takeaway from that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just it's the next logical iteration of this offense.

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Speaker 1: We know this is something that unlocks a lot in

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Speaker 1: to build. You never want the offense to be stagnant. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's always easier when your best players are your leaders.

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00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,719
Speaker 2: This goes back to Brady and Brady being, you know,

436
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 2: the guy that Bill could criticize in front of the

437
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: whole team and kind of set a tone, right. I

438
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: think Rabel this story that was a buyer who told

439
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: the story about Taylor Luwan that he like, shoot out

440
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 2: Taylor Luwan like early on and his tenure in Tennessee,

441
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 2: and everybody was like, holy crap, he just shoot out

442
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: the best player in front of the entire team. It

443
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 2: always helps when your leaders are your best players. He

444
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be a raw rack guy to be

445
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: a leader. And Christian Gonzales just it feels like they're

446
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: trying to just that this is more of an inevitability

447
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: with the contract. But maybe they you know, they are

448
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: working on in terms of the numbers themselves. But it

449
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: is interesting to hear some of the really strong pushes

450
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 2: made by Elliott Wolf made by Mike Rabel here over

451
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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. Anything else on Gonzales before

452
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: we move on, I think that's it, all right. A

453
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: couple more things, so let's do no no. I thought

454
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: I had someone on a J. Brown, but I forgot it.

455
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: We'll get to a J.

456
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Speaker 6: Brown.

457
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Speaker 2: He's last.

458
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure we got calls about him.

459
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: A couple more things. I thought that. I think it

460
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 2: was Chad Graff who asked the question. I apologize if

461
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 2: it was somebody else. I thought it was a good

462
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 2: question about wanting to improve the run game and some

463
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: of the free agency signings that clearly seemed to have

464
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: pointed in that direction, which I think we've talked about

465
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: Regie Gilliam you pay a guard, you sign a blocking

466
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: tight end, and Julian Hill. It just seemed like they

467
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: were trying to send a message that they wanted to

468
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 2: be more physical, be more run centric, and verybel basically

469
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: confirmed that line of thinking yesterday during his press conference,

470
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: saying that the numbers sort of came out and to

471
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Speaker 2: wash because they had some big explosive runs, especially by

472
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: Treveon Henderson, but he thought that they were inconsistent and

473
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Speaker 2: the word he used was inefficient running football. I'm not

474
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: sure if they used these exact metrics. They probably don't,

475
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: but the Patriots were fourteenth in yards per carry last year,

476
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: so middle of the pack. A lot of that has

477
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: to do with the big runs, though, right those conscut

478
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: when you have fifty sixty seventy yard runs like Trevon

479
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: Henderson did last year. That excuse it. They were twenty

480
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: fifth in the league. And EPA per rush, and EPA

481
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 2: takes into account down in distance more like that played

482
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: a play consistency of the run game, you know, short yardage,

483
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: goal line success, like all those types of context clues

484
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: that matter in this conversation. So they were a bottom

485
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: ten rush offense last year by the advanced metrics, and

486
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 2: it seems like Rabel knows that, whether they're using EPA

487
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: or their own formula or whatever the case may be.

488
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: So they wanted to get bigger, batter, tougher in terms

489
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: of the run game. They went out there and did it.

490
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: I thought it was just interesting that he kind of

491
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: confirmed that that line of thinking that we all sort

492
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Speaker 2: of kind of ad.

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean the free agency were that with

494
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: the guys they added, they want to be more. It's

495
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Speaker 1: the consistency, It's everything we talked about.

496
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: Last year.

497
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: They were ripping off the big runs, but the consistency

498
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: wasn't there. And at a certain point, you know you,

499
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: I know you love running to set up the pass, yep,

500
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: I know you love that as a concept, but the

501
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: reality is if you don't have a sustained run game,

502
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: it allows the defense to approach things differently in terms

503
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: of sitting more on the pass, not taking play action

504
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: as seriously things like that, and it's going to open

505
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: things up for Drake May a lot more if they

506
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: can have a sustained run game.

507
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. That was the other thing that he mentioned that

508
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: was music to my ears on this topic was that

509
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: he talked about the run actions and the you know,

510
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: which is the coach speak for play action. I don't

511
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: know when we decided to call it run action, but

512
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: now we call it run action apparently instead of play acting.

513
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: I still call it play action.

514
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: But he brought that up and he said that he

515
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: wants that to be a bigger weapon for them next year.

516
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: So it's not you think that's him talking and you

517
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: think that's something here. Josh McDaniels say maybe a combination,

518
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: because I feel like Josh McDaniel's like, that's that sounds

519
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: like a him thing.

520
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: Maybe a combination, But all of them, all these things. Yeah,

521
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: like all these things like play action motion, like all

522
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: the bells and whistles that we talk about. I call

523
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: them easy buttons because they just drive up passing efficiency.

524
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: Like it's just a known fact now that play action

525
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: is more effective than drop that passing, especially if you're

526
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 2: if you're a team that can really sell it and

527
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: is really good at it. So that's why all these

528
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: offenses that are rooted in that sort of thing are

529
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: so successful, is because it's just really that misdirection and

530
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: that sort of false look to the defense is just

531
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: hard to stop. It's hard to defend. They didn't necessarily

532
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 2: have a great play action passing offense last year. They

533
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: necessarily have a great running game when you start to

534
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: really look under the hood of some of these numbers

535
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: in the run game. So what I love so much

536
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,239
Speaker 2: about it is that he talked about situational running and

537
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: marrying run and play action, which to me are the

538
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: core of why you run the ball. Yeah, you run

539
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: the ball for short yardage, you run the ball on

540
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: the goal line, you run the ball to close out

541
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: games when you have leads in the fourth quarter, and

542
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: you run the ball to set up play action like

543
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: that that that, to me is philosophically is why you

544
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: want to push the running game in nowadays in the

545
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: modern league. And that that was really good to hear

546
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: out of him because I think he agrees. Next thing

547
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: on my list just getting into the draft a little bit,

548
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: tight end in third quarterback. Seems like those are right

549
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: on the list, along with some of the other things

550
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: that we've discussed.

551
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: They might draft two tight ends. I've been kind of

552
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: rulling that out. They might draft too and carry four.

553
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: It just seems tough to me because you also are

554
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: carrying Gilliam.

555
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: So he every time he's asked a tight ends he

556
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: lights up. It's clearly his favorite question.

557
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: Because I think it's his favorite position because I feel

558
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: like as a defense I.

559
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: Want somebody to ask him that, and I know we

560
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: have the ability to it. It's just like I wasn't

561
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: there yesterday. Next time he talks like he moonlight.

562
00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: I think he likes tight end.

563
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: But you think he likes tight end better than the linebacker. Yes, okay,

564
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: because he caught.

565
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: I think he would even admit that catching touchdowns is

566
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 2: the most fun thing you could do on a football field,

567
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: throwing or catching touchdowns, right, and so his experience doing

568
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: that as a goal line tight end, I think he

569
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: feels like that is almost more impressive than anything that

570
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 2: he did on the defensive side of the ball. That

571
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: he was able to flip sides and play offense and

572
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: catch touchdown passes from Tom Brady, I think is like

573
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: his pinnacle. You know, he shows the clips of him

574
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: doing it every year in front of the team, like

575
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: he really likes that, and I think he really likes

576
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: the position because of it. I would also say, like

577
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 2: a lot of the times, linebackers and tight ends work

578
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: out together a lot, and they work together a lot

579
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: because they're obviously going right up against each other. So

580
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: whether it's workouts, whether it's positional drills in practice where

581
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: they're doing blocking and stuff like that, there's a lot

582
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: of interaction between those two positions groups on a football team.

583
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: So I think maybe he just has a soft spot

584
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 2: for tight ends just in general.

585
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: They're gonna they're gonna draft. To me, tight end comes

586
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: into play at sixty.

587
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: Three, and yeah, I agree.

588
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: I only say the only reason I don't say thirty

589
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: one is because I think Sadiq's gonna go too early

590
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: for them to even trade up. I wouldn't be surprised

591
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: if they've used Stowers as a receiver. Yeah, and so

592
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, are you taking Max Claire at thirty one?

593
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: Probably not? Would they do you? I know I kind

594
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: of got roasted for this by you and some people

595
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: in the comments last week.

596
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: Good.

597
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm not asking if you would. I am asking could

598
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: you see them taking Max Claire, Oscar Delp, Sam Rouch,

599
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: whoever at sixty three, especially if Stowers goes like top

600
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: fifty and like, okay, here comes a run on tight ends.

601
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: I could see it. It's not something I would advocate for.

602
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm asking you. I could see it.

603
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Are ruling it out. I'm not really, I'm not ruling

604
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: out anything, but I would say I don't think we

605
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: can rule it out. I would much rather than trying

606
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: to trade up from ninety five at that point.

607
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm with you.

608
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think I just think saty three

609
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 2: is a little high for those guys, that's all.

610
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm with you. But we're not the ones making the decision.

611
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: They are.

612
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: It's not our job to I could tell you what

613
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: I would do all day. It doesn't matter, Yeah, right,

614
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: What matters is what they're gonna do. That's what we're

615
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: trying to project. I could see it.

616
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: I could see it. If they're going to locate allocation

617
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 2: of resources. I don't. I don't. Again, I agree, but

618
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm not rolling out them doing it. Okay, I don't.

619
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: I guess.

620
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm just asking you to project. I'm not asking what

621
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: you do.

622
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: I think that this is the biggest issue with tight

623
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: End that that I have though in this draft is

624
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: I think there's a pretty sizeable gap between Sadik and

625
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: the rest of the pack. Yeah, and so Sadik's going

626
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: to go in the first round, probably too high for

627
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: the Patriots. Yes, he's gonna go top ten wherever he goes.

628
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: I just don't feel I don't. It's tough for me

629
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: to stomach. Like where who your would take at sixty three?

630
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: And like, I really think the guy that you're taking

631
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: at sixty three is probably a third round pick, probably,

632
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, guy that in a different sort of draft

633
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: and a different landscape and a different board is probably

634
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: closer to whether the ninety fifth pick than the sixty third.

635
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: But if you don't take him at sixty three, is

636
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: he gonna be there at ninety five?

637
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: That's like if these guys start, like if you take it,

638
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: if you take a guy at sixty three, maybe you're overdrafting. Yeah,

639
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: but if you wait, if you have to trade up

640
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: from ninety six, you're not overdrafting in the sense that

641
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: you're getting him in a better spot on the board

642
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: compared to the projection. But you're also you're now using

643
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: two picks or three picks to draft him, depending on

644
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: how high you trade off. And you might say, Okay,

645
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: there's six round picks whatever, Fine, but like that's the

646
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: reality of it. If they want to make here. Here's

647
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: another like developing draft take I have that I guess

648
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: plays into this is everybody's acting like they have eleven pick.

649
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: There's no way they're gonna make eleven picks. They're gonna

650
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: fly off the way they should. Again, this is projections.

651
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: That's not what I would do. Four of the six

652
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: years that Elliot Wolf has been here, and I understand

653
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: that his role has varied in that time, but just

654
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: to use that as a window, four of the six

655
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: years Ellie Wolf has been here, they've made at.

656
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: Least ten picks.

657
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: We always say there's no way they're going to make

658
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: all those picks, and then you know what they do.

659
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: They make all those picks. They made three seventh round

660
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: picks last year. Yeah, So the idea that they're going

661
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: to make a trade that's like four picks for one,

662
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's happening, or if it does, there's

663
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: going to be another trade back down and recoup it.

664
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: So that's my counter to your point. Yeah, you feel

665
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: more comfortable drafting them at ninety five. What do you

666
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: think the odds that won of Claire delper Rous is

667
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: there at ninety five? And if you don't like those odds,

668
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: maybe not zero. But if you don't like those odds,

669
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: you have to trade up. Are they going to be

670
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: willing to give up two picks three picks just to

671
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: draft a tight end versus, hey, we like the player,

672
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: we'll take them at sixty three and we'll go from there.

673
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: Fair enough. I would like to think that. And again,

674
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: you know this is how this works. There's runs, guys

675
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: go higher because of runs and all that kind of stuff.

676
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: But I think that guys like Sam Roush, for example,

677
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: you bring up that's his value, like his value is

678
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: somewhere four round.

679
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't think you're taking rash at sixty three.

680
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: I was just kind of using no I know, but

681
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, at the end of the day, don't

682
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: you just kind of feel like most of the time

683
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: those things sort of come out and the way that

684
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: you sort of think they are going to. Like, obviously

685
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: we don't have control of the board in terms of

686
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: the injuries and the red flags and the off field,

687
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: and I'm just talking about in terms of the things

688
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: that we know. So like, I just so somebody's gonna

689
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: take Sam Roush like a round or two earlier than

690
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: he probably.

691
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: Not a round or two earlier, but in the eighties.

692
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: I guess you know, you can't say he's going to

693
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: go around pick ninety five and then he goes to

694
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: pick ninety four to the Dolphins and or better exam

695
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: would be the Rams at ninety three. Like he is

696
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of prototypical Rams tight end, right, you know McVeigh

697
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: tight end. So and look, maybe you look at that

698
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: and say, okay, fine, we'll move up from ninety to

699
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: ninety five to ninety two, and you know, it's all

700
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: well and good, but I don't are they going to

701
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: be willing to trade up that far? And like they

702
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: clearly want a guy, This isn't a oh if there's

703
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: a good tight end on the board, I guess one.

704
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: But my point is is, like, you know, how do

705
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: they view in terms of the clusters and the drop offs?

706
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: Well, the other the other option we haven't brought up

707
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: is moving back from sixty three and taking a tight

708
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: end with your second pick. But your second pick is

709
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: in the third round, okay, which is probably more realistic.

710
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: If you have to take let's just keep it simple. Yeah,

711
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: if you have to take delp raush Claire, let's put

712
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: Stowers in there too, even though it's not our guy. Yeah,

713
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: if you have to take one of those players at

714
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: sixty three, are you taking that player at sixty three?

715
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: Or are you taking like Jack Injuries reared in one

716
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: of those guys at ninety five, or like one of

717
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: the fourth rounds you.

718
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: See now Injuries at ninety five feels like a big reach.

719
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: To me, that feels like a bigger reach. But I

720
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: don't know who else is on the board, Like, there's

721
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: it's complicated. I if they again, Rabel seems a static

722
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: about finding like his guy a tight end, nothing else,

723
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry, But I think.

724
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: Years old, right exactly, Hunter Henry.

725
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: Rabel wants to find his guy, and I think the

726
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: idea is this is the guy that not ability wise,

727
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: but like this is Brady and Gronk. He wants to

728
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: find Drake. May's go to tight end for the next

729
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: ten years.

730
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: Sure? Is that a.

731
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: Position that they're gonna view? Is it a better value

732
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: for the lesser player? Are they just gonna be like, no,

733
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: we we like this guy. This is our guy. We're

734
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: taking him where we need to take him to get him.

735
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: If they think he's good enough. Maybe they just got

736
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: these guys differently than I do, and they think the

737
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: players are better than I.

738
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: It's not those guys, it's more of the position.

739
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: Is it a position? Is willing to take bad? The

740
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 2: process to just take a guy because he plays tight

741
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: end is bad process.

742
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: It's not just taking it's it I guess, yeah, Okay,

743
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: maybe it is viewing the players differently. Does he view

744
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: that gap as wider?

745
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or does he just fall in love with Oscar

746
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: del bird Stores or Claire or Rausch or whatever. I

747
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: don't know. I just feel as though, in a normal setting,

748
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: you know, this reminds me a lot of it was

749
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: Ossi Ossi and King was twenty twenty. Yeah, right, and

750
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: I know that that those players didn't work out well.

751
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: That was also not nearly the tight end draft, but

752
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: those guys would not have been top one hundred.

753
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: Picks in the YAP.

754
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: But just looking at that draft, just paying me how

755
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: far back I had to go to get to twenty twenty.

756
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: Remember in that draft there was a run and I

757
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: think the Patriots started it with ossi Assi, But I

758
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: was really high that year on Adam Trotman. You you

759
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: loved Adam Traut. Harrison Bryant was in that draft. He

760
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: won the Mackie Award that year.

761
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: Yep.

762
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: Uh. There was a run of I want to say

763
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: what six eight ten guys that went in like a

764
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: span of like.

765
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: Around So ossi Ousti went ninety one, then Josiah Degaderi

766
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: go's ninety four, Victoria Dalton King goes one oh one,

767
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: Adam Troutman goes one oh five, Harrison Bryant one fifteen,

768
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: albert O at one eighteen.

769
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: Right, So it was a little bit of a run there. Yeah,

770
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: this draft, I view it as similarly. I think that

771
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: all these guys are sort of in that same kind

772
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: of cluster. Third fourth round picks where that run should happen.

773
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: So but if that run happens thirty picks earlier, then

774
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: you have to you have to be willing to just.

775
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: I get that just looking at what the projections worth

776
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, you had no first round tight ends,

777
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: ye bared out. Yeah, and you had five tight ends

778
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: going in that were viewed as top one hundred five picks.

779
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: So five in the top one hundred five, and you

780
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: ended up getting one, two, three, four five, And you

781
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: end up getting five in the top one hundred and five.

782
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Adam Troutman went one hundred and fifth. This class is

783
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: one in the first round and one two three four.

784
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, it's five in the top one hundred five.

785
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, all right, moving on, I wait,

786
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: hang on, sorry, If there's gonna be a run on them,

787
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: isn't that all the more reason that they might get

788
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: aggressive and taking one earlier?

789
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: Maybe? But I just my point is is more looking

790
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: at it. You know, he said it yesterday, You like,

791
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: you don't want a draft for need? You don't, right, right,

792
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: And so yes, he wants a tight end. He likes

793
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: the position.

794
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: It's not a need, that's a one I I.

795
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: Right like And to just go out there and just

796
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: draft a player at sixty three and overdraft a player

797
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: at sixty three because he plays a position that you

798
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: like and that you want to target. Is tow teams

799
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: get in trouble. What's what's bad? Pay you get in trouble.

800
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: Okay, So if it comes down to if there's a run,

801
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: we assume people are going to go hired and projected.

802
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: What's more of a reach to you taking clear delp

803
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: around earlier than they're supposed to go it's sixty three,

804
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: or taking Jack Andrews two rounds of where head he's

805
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: supposed to go a head where he's supposed to go

806
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: two rounds.

807
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: Jack Andrew's going to the fourth round?

808
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: Well, ayeah, right now is projected fifth round pick.

809
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: He's going in the fourth round. All right, he's gonna

810
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: be a fourth rounder.

811
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 1: So like, so would you better rather take the better

812
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: player around earlier or the lesser player around earlier?

813
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: Well it's not just that though, right, because it's who

814
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: you're all Who are you taking him over at sixty three?

815
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: Like if you take one of those players and you're

816
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: passing up on one of the pass rushers, or you're

817
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: passing up on one of the receivers or you're passing

818
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: up on one of the linebackers in this class that

819
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: are all really good players like that, that's the that's

820
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: the other question. And I just think that this tight

821
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: end class and then we can move on. This tight

822
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: end class to me is deeper than it is top heavy. Yes,

823
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of names. There's a big bag

824
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: and you got to grab the right one out of

825
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: the bag. But there's a there's a big bag. This

826
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: isn't last year where you had Warren and Loveland at

827
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: the top, where you had two top fifteen talents in

828
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: the draft. This is much more a Day two and

829
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: Day three tight end draft. And you're just gonna have

830
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: to figure out which cluster you want to pick from, right,

831
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, is it the Andreies raared in if you

832
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: want to throw Kozial in there in that group like

833
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: Dak cluster, or is it the delp Roush Claire cluster

834
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: and that that's that's why they get paid to do

835
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: this and we don't. That's right, Uh quarterback Yep, clearly

836
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna invest something six round pick Udfa. I think

837
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: it might be a draft pick, Like I just feel

838
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: like a UDFA. They they tried that last year with

839
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: Ben Woolridge. Like, I don't think you're just not gonna

840
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: get a good enough player.

841
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you get the team control too. Like, if

842
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: they want to have three quarterbacks on the roster, I

843
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: have May. It seems like it, right, you have May,

844
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: you have Davido. You have this guy, and you're just

845
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: like you're you're good. It seems like a tradable asset.

846
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like Drake May in year two graduated

847
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: to we this. You know, obviously he's the guy, but

848
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: also we don't worry about putting.

849
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: You're not worried about zappy fever.

850
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 2: No, this is not Joe Milton. This is not Bailey

851
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: Zappy Joe. We're good. So where do they draft the quarterback?

852
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: I think is the most interesting thing. Yeah, so how

853
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: early are you going? Six? Yeah?

854
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't know about above that. So I know Taylor

855
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: Green's the name Patriots fans have brought up that they

856
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: like Cole Payton from North Dakota State. Those guys are

857
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: going too high. And Taylor Green, by the way he

858
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: said its comment, he's playing quarterback.

859
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: He's not changing.

860
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: He's playing quarterback. So I look at two guys. There's

861
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: maybe a third that I wouldn't like, but I'll be

862
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: grudguingly put on the list. That's Kid Club Nick. I

863
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: had really not a believer in Kate Clubnick, but yeah,

864
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: I could see it, you know, if they go six

865
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: round a little more of an investment, relatively speaking, Sawyer

866
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: Robertson from Baylor. My big thing when you're trying to

867
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: find a backup quarterback is who's stylistically similar to your starter?

868
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: And I know this is the third string, but it

869
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: still applies. Who's stylistically similar to your starter that can

870
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: run a lot of the same things. Sarah Robertson's bigger guy.

871
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: You know, can move around in the backfield, got a

872
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: big arm. Doesn't necessarily the accuracy make some you know,

873
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: there's some decisions that you're gonna want him to make better.

874
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: Why he's going in six round, But like stylistically is

875
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: a fit for may The other guy now he's probably

876
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: in the seventh round, you could take him in the

877
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: sixth I guess is Joe Fiano from Yukon. Yeah, have

878
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: you watched him?

879
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: I know who?

880
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you watched Skyler Bell. So the reason

881
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: there's really just one reason for the start twelve games

882
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: last year through four under thirteen passes, one interception. Yeah,

883
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: that is a Josh McDaniels quarterback.

884
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: He made some good decisions and like I didn't come

885
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: away from that tape being like Skyler Bell got really

886
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: roasted by his quarterback.

887
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: Round he was fine.

888
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got Skyler Bell the ball when Skyler Bell needed.

889
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: He completed seventy percent of his passes, twenty eight touchdowns,

890
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: one pick. Now he's ol. He was in college for

891
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: seven years. He was at Maine for four.

892
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: How old is he?

893
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: I think he's twenty five. Yeah, he was at Maine

894
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: for four, Yukon for three. He only is two full

895
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: years of r or to his last year at Maine

896
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: and then his last year. U kind of started six

897
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: games last year, so not like it's not like he

898
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: didn't play started twenty five games his career. But you know,

899
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: you don't need it. He's got the mind for it. Yeah,

900
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have the biggest RM and he's not

901
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: like the best athlete, but he it's what you want

902
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: kind of in a backup quarterback. If he has to

903
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: go into a game, if there's an emergency, has to

904
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: go to a game, you don't worry about him, just

905
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: totally melting in the moment, right, So yeah, those are

906
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: my two guys. Usually there's a quarterback, like a couple

907
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in late rounds that are like fun that.

908
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: Because it's tailing green guys, he's going too high, or

909
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: it's did you watch Haynes king yet a little bit? Okay, no,

910
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: I didn't do it.

911
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask a question again. Do you think he

912
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: can play running back in the NFL?

913
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: I think you played like the Taysom Hill role, Like

914
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: I think, I don't think he's like a peer running back.

915
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: It's like six to two. Yeah, I don't know. I

916
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: don't think he's a peer running back. Could he be

917
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: a gadget player maybe? Yeah?

918
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: Runs hard, yeah, quick, has.

919
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: Some I liked about him. Look pretty nimble, smooth.

920
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: Right exactly.

921
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: He kind of slithers through the line of scrimmage, you know,

922
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: with a lot of no wasted movement. Snow, you know,

923
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: not too much dancing. So maybe that's the guy too.

924
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: But now you're like if the goals from going to

925
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: be the third quarterback, now you're back to where we

926
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: were two years ago with Malie Cunningham where if he's

927
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: the emergency quarterback, he can't do that stuff because he's

928
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: not technically active.

929
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: Right, So I think the question is, are you drafting

930
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: a quarterback with you are going to be a career

931
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: backup in mind? And I I'm not using this name

932
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: to throw any shade, but like Brian Hoyer, right, or

933
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: are you drafting the quarterback.

934
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: Trying Are you trying to do that Joe Milton to

935
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: draft somebody that shows out in the preseason, you flip.

936
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: Them right, and look, it's going to be too high.

937
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: But Taylor Green is tailing is that it's a bad

938
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: quarterback draft. Those guys are going to go too high

939
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: because teams are going to try to get their starters.

940
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: The best you're doing with that guy, I think we're,

941
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: you know, outside of the top two, one hundred or

942
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: you want what do they have? One ninety one is

943
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: their first six round pick? Yeah, like Sawyer Robertson to me,

944
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: is as close as you're getting to that late in

945
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: the draft?

946
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just I think there's two kind of names

947
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: that come to mind. And it's gonna say this for

948
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: a recency buyas, but I keep saying that's so let's

949
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: just do it with Taylor Green. There's two kind of

950
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: names that come to mind. At quarterback. There's a little Kaepernick,

951
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: like he's.

952
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: Got the bill, but a long stride, long stride, big arm.

953
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's a little Kaepernick there as an athlete,

954
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: Like I think, I think I see a little bit

955
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: more Terrell Prior than I do call it Kaepernick. So

956
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: Trell Pryor ended up switching to wide receiver and like

957
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 2: had a few good years right as a wide receiver.

958
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: So I just and look, he the biggest issue that

959
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: I saw, you know, not as a thrower, as a runner,

960
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: or just as a quarterback with Taylor and Green, I

961
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: should say he runs into way too many sacks. Like

962
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: he just he just is. He's out the back of

963
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: the pocket. He's not any disciplined every single chance he gets.

964
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: So with that, I posted a clip of him, you know,

965
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: running around and coming out at the backside for a

966
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: sixty yard game. With that are the twenty yard losses

967
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: on sacks when he gets caught trying to do that.

968
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: So if you're gonna play, if he's gonna play quarterback,

969
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: he's going to have to learn to step through the

970
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: pocket instead a step out of the back of the pocket.

971
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: In the league, you can't go out the back. I

972
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: don't care how fast you are, Like, unless you're like

973
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: Michael Vick faster or Lamar Jackson fast, if you go

974
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: out the back of the pocket, you're porked. In the NFL,

975
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: the guys are too fast if you go through the

976
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: middle of the pocket, which I think is probably what

977
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: Drake May's best at as a scrambler, yeah, is that

978
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: he's he usually goes forward instead of backwards to get

979
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: out of trouble in the pocket. That is when you

980
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: can do damage in the league as a scrambler. So

981
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: whoever gets their hands on Tailing Green, who I think

982
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: should absolutely play quarterback to start, Yeah, because I think

983
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: there's enough there if you design an offense that's a

984
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: lot like the offense at the four Niners ran for

985
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick, where there is a lot of option running

986
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: on early downs. Yeah, there's it's gonna be a lot

987
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: of zone read or read option plays. There's gonna be

988
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: some RPOs in there, probably, you know, all that kind

989
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: of stuff that Greg Roman did with with Kaepernick and

990
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: did with Lamar Jackson. Like I think that Taylor Green

991
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: has an NFL future as a quarterback. I wouldn't move him. Now,

992
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: if you end up having to move him because he

993
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: just doesn't pan out and he doesn't develop, then the

994
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: Terrelle Prior thing is there, Like he's that kind of athlete.

995
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: He's a fun player, Like I I think that he's

996
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: too good of an athlete to not have a role

997
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: on an NFL team, Like they're gonna someone's gonna find

998
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: a way to pay.

999
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: All the more reason he's not gonna end up on

1000
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: Patriots because teams know it and he's gonna go higher

1001
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: than expected.

1002
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so quarterback. The last thing I put

1003
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: here regudglingly. Uh, the Patriots are going to host the

1004
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: Eagles for joint practices. I'm not sure if that's one

1005
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: or multiple practices, but the Eagles are gonna come here.

1006
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: I'll do the does do the multiples anymore? Usually not

1007
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: because the right it's scrappy. The I'll do the talk

1008
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: show host facilitation. Is aj Brown going to be a

1009
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: Patriot or an Eagle for the joint practices?

1010
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: Will be here at all?

1011
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: Uh, he'll be on another team. Nont know.

1012
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: I came away from the whole week just kind of

1013
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: feeling the same as I was about A. J.

1014
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 2: Brown.

1015
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: If I had a guess, I think he's a patriot,

1016
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: but I don't feel strongly about it. I'm like, fifty

1017
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: five forty five he's patriot.

1018
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: So it seemed to me and I and this is

1019
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: going off of the Philly reporting of this story more

1020
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: so than the national and the Patriots reporting. A lot

1021
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: of the Philly people think that he's got well.

1022
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: So did you see the ESPN piece this morning? Yeah,

1023
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: they did more about Jalen Hurts, but it kind of

1024
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: lends itself to this whole light like you can't. I

1025
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: think some of the pushback had been well, you know,

1026
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: it's easy. They're always reporting receivers aren't happy, like that's

1027
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: he seems unhappy.

1028
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 2: It just seems like there's this feeling amongst the knock

1029
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: the mic, there's this feeling among the Eagles reporters that

1030
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: it's inevitable that he gets moved.

1031
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: Right, it's just this weird June one thing is why

1032
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened, right, So he probably gets traded.

1033
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: The Patriots are probably the front runners to get him.

1034
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: Did they finish the deal? Do they get across? The

1035
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: finish line? Is a different story. I don't think anything

1036
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: else has really changed, But I do think that the

1037
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: interesting piece of it is that the Eagles beat has

1038
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: this inevitable feeling to it of like this is just

1039
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: hanging over the team, and this is gonna happen and

1040
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of getting past this June one thing.

1041
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: Was there anything else from Rabel or just the week

1042
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: in general that stood out to you?

1043
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: I think that was it.

1044
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: You had the Harold Landry thing.

1045
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: You want to talk, Oh, that's right, Mike Rabel has

1046
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: asked about Harold Landry. We really haven't heard them talk

1047
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: a lot about him since the season ended. Acknowledge that

1048
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: he wasn't the same player after the injury, which I

1049
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: think we all saw.

1050
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah mentioned he's going.

1051
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: Through the rehab and it's tough to tell where he's

1052
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: at at that point, but is you know why, how

1053
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: he's attacking it. It's just he's one of the big

1054
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: wild cards of this offseason that if they're counting on

1055
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: him to come back and be the guy he was

1056
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: the first whatever was six seven, eight games before he

1057
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: got hurt, it changes how you view edge need versus

1058
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: if they're worried about him not being able to fully

1059
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: come back, and what if he is the guy he

1060
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: was last year. I think that changes how urgent you

1061
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: are about edge rusher. They still need a guy. But

1062
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: maybe that's the difference between and we can take a

1063
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: tackle at thirty one and grab an edge in the

1064
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: second round versus no, we need to get the best

1065
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: edge rusher we can possibly get.

1066
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know in this, I don't know they're

1067
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: thinking in terms of way You're right.

1068
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: Like, well, that's what I'm saying, Like, we don't know.

1069
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: It's one of the big variables.

1070
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's much of a variable though,

1071
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: because I don't know how you could possibly bank on

1072
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: Harold Landry not necessarily bouncing back, but like he's just

1073
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 2: older in general.

1074
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't know he I think he's somebody who's coaching

1075
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: staff believes in.

1076
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: I think they want him to be a part of it.

1077
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: You know what he can do right, And I'm not

1078
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: saying that he can't have a role on the team

1079
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: and he can't be on the roster and all that

1080
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, But you can't bank on it on

1081
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: Harold Landry being like an impact player. It's nine, I know,

1082
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: but he's clearly, you know, being compromised by injuries. He

1083
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: had the ACL a couple of years ago. Last year

1084
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: was what it was with the knee situation. It just

1085
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: feels to me like you can't put too many eggs

1086
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: in the Hailard Landry basket. And that's nothing to do

1087
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: with Harold Landry. It's just where he's at in his career.

1088
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot of talk, and this is sort of

1089
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 2: my take on Ed Drusher right now, there's a lot

1090
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: of talk about positions they might double dip. I think

1091
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 2: tight Ends started to pick up some steam as potential

1092
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 2: double dip position because Rabel said he would have nine

1093
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: tight ends on the roster if he could. There's been

1094
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: other talks about other positions. The one position that I

1095
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: feel like makes the most sense to me to double

1096
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: dip at his edge, not only because it's a great

1097
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: class yea. But when you really look at their depth chart,

1098
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: it's Draymont Jones, Harold Leanjury, Elijah Ponder, Brayden Swinson and

1099
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,479
Speaker 2: that's it. It's those four guys and nothing else. There's

1100
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: no more Anthony Jennings, There's no more hybrid player like

1101
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: Jelani Tavai that can play Edge in a pinch, there's

1102
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 2: nobody else. It's that group before we have no idea

1103
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: what Braden Swinson is. Elijah Ponder is an undrafted rookie

1104
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: last year that carved out a role. Good for him,

1105
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: but like, are we really expecting him to be.

1106
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: A starter to watch to project him from he played

1107
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: just over two hundred snaps last year.

1108
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: To starting, and then we obviously know about Landry's situation

1109
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: with his health and with his knee. If there's a

1110
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: position that they're going to double dip in in this draft,

1111
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: to me, the one that makes the most sense is Edge,

1112
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: and with Edge, I always like it personally. I think

1113
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: it kind of worked out for them with Anthony Jennings

1114
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: and Joshua ja. I know other people might have different

1115
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: opinions of those players, especially Ouch. When you double dip

1116
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: like that, you can take one that's a little bit

1117
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: sturdier as a run defender, maybe a little heavier, you know,

1118
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: just heavier player has a more heavier style, and then

1119
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 2: you can take your screamer pass rusher off the edge

1120
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 2: too and hopefully one of them blossoms into a well

1121
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: rounded player and is everything that you expected. If not,

1122
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: you have guys that you can mix and match, and

1123
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, maybe just to put names to it. You know,

1124
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: I know some people like Dds from Penn State. I

1125
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: like him too, But to me, he's really a run

1126
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: player first right now, Like he's a little stiff, he's

1127
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: a little upright the way he moves. He doesn't necessarily

1128
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: have great pals.

1129
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: Last year twenty four, yeah none, watch a little bit.

1130
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: He didn't look as explosive.

1131
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: This year he looked clunky.

1132
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: But this is this is my question that I've kind

1133
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: of gone back and forth on. So I'm just curious

1134
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: your thought, Like how aggressive would be the double dip.

1135
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: Let's say they take a guy in the first would

1136
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: you go first, second? Edge?

1137
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 2: Would you go first? Third?

1138
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: Is it a day three double dip? Say they take

1139
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: the edge guy in the second round, would you go second, third, second, fourth?

1140
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 2: Right?

1141
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: Like that, This is kind of what I'm trying to

1142
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: figure out, is where is the range to double tip?

1143
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: I just think that in a draft like this, there's

1144
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: so many different types of players. So like where I

1145
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: was going was like, Dds is like your run player

1146
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: that you're drafting for early downs. I personally still really

1147
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: like Romelo Height. I don't want to forget that. I

1148
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: like Romelo Height two months ago, and then you know,

1149
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: you watch new guys and it's the whole recency bias thing,

1150
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: right and right, Ramelo heights two hundred and forty pounds.

1151
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: You know, Ramelo Height is going to be a third

1152
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: down player to start in the league. And if he

1153
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: adds mass, if he adds run defense to his game,

1154
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: then maybe he can you know, round out and play

1155
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: every down like that. That to me makes a lot

1156
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 2: of sense in the class like this because there are

1157
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: so many different types of edge rushers and there's so

1158
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: many edge rushers that it makes sense to kind of

1159
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: double dip in double your odds of hitting on a

1160
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: guy that can really be an impact player. So, uh,

1161
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: that's the way I look at edge right now. I'm

1162
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: in on the double dip at that is okay, I'm

1163
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: not really in on the tight end double dip. I

1164
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 2: can't get there.

1165
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't love it either, but I can see it.

1166
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: The other position. I'll give you real quick before we

1167
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: take the break, double dip. If they don't go tackle

1168
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: at thirty one, Yeah, double dipping on tackle by day

1169
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: three makes a lot of sense. Yeah, you know, fourth

1170
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: round tackle paired with a sixth round tackle or fifth

1171
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: round tackle and right now tackles another spot Morgan, Moses,

1172
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: Will Campbell, and Marcus Bryant. That's your depth chart right

1173
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 2: now at tackle. So you need at least one. I

1174
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: think you could advocate easily for taking two. So those

1175
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: are the spots I would look at. All right, let's

1176
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Speaker 2: then we'll get into the rest of the show. Here,

1239
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: Patty is an agu on. What's up? Patty?

1240
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 11: Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen.

1241
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: Hey, what's up.

1242
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 11: Going on? So Alex kind of like you after the combine,

1243
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 11: I had it in my head. I had this gut

1244
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 11: feeling that no matter what, edge was going to be

1245
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 11: the first pick, and you couldn't change my mind. I

1246
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 11: had the same exact feeling last year with left tackle

1247
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 11: at number four overall, and I was ninety nine percent

1248
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 11: sure then that it was going to be Will Campbell,

1249
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 11: you know, barring anything crazy. But then this weekend happened,

1250
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 11: and not the fact that Rabel went to the Arizona

1251
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 11: State Rode en route to the NFL Owners meetings, it

1252
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 11: was the fact that they already had him in here

1253
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 11: for a thirty visit and then he went out and

1254
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 11: he got on the field with him and tested them,

1255
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 11: and you know, was watching them practice and watching him

1256
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 11: go through all the drills, and I might be turned around,

1257
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 11: and I feel like, if he's there at thirty one,

1258
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 11: he's going to be the pick, and I'll be the

1259
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 11: first to admit I if he is, I'm happy because

1260
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 11: to me, this what they've done so far in free agency,

1261
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 11: getting Gilliam, getting the freaking kid I can't think of

1262
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 11: the tight ends name for so Julian Hill. It kind

1263
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 11: of spells to me like they're they're really making a commitment.

1264
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 11: I'm protecting Drake May, which is great business. And Evan,

1265
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 11: I think you've you've had this expression before, like unfortunately

1266
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 11: like it doesn't work out with Brown, which I'm kind

1267
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 11: of I'm on the fence either way. If it happens cool,

1268
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 11: if not, whatever, you know, we might have to wait

1269
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 11: another year to get that cherry on top, to get

1270
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 11: that that Alpha wide receiver, which I'd be fine with.

1271
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 11: But I mean, if if I, if I han Achour

1272
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 11: is the pick, I'll be the first to say I

1273
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 11: like it. I like the direction. And like I said,

1274
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 11: just with Gilliam and Hill and you know, even Romeo

1275
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 11: Dobbs being being a really good run block and wide receiver,

1276
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 11: it seems to me like they're going to make They're

1277
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 11: making a commitment to be a little bit more balanced

1278
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 11: on offense. And really solidifying the death along the offensive line,

1279
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 11: which which is great news that I mean, every every

1280
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 11: fan should be happy. Let's just hope if Drake does

1281
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 11: have like five to eight seconds to throw the ball,

1282
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 11: that he has somebody, you know, somebody's able to get open.

1283
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 11: And that's all I got for today.

1284
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks pay thanks for the call. Good segue into

1285
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Speaker 2: the the pro day workout, seeing and heard around the world.

1286
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, he kind of downplayed it

1287
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 2: for Abel did when he was an interview with Patriots

1288
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Speaker 2: Unfiltered that's on YouTube, you can check that out and said,

1289
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: you know, I do that at every pro day, and

1290
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 2: we were at BC's Pro Day. He was doing it

1291
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: with the BC guys. That well, it's just different because

1292
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: there he's a first round pick. That's true. I think

1293
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: he was doing it with all. He does it with

1294
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: a lot of guys. Not a lot of guys are

1295
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: a first round pick that is slated to go like

1296
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: almost exactly where they're picking. So that that's a big

1297
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: reason why this one with each other on a chore

1298
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: has caught so much. You know, steam here, which is

1299
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 2: what's your opinion on ere slash were able going out

1300
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 2: there to work them out. Yeah.

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01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: I've gone back and forth. Is he a real target

1302
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: at thirty one? Is he a guy? Maybe if they

1303
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: move back. I I've kind of come around to like, yeah,

1304
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: if you like him, you take me at thirty one.

1305
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: I still like Blake Miller better, you know, if it's

1306
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: me and they're both on the board at thirty one

1307
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: and tackle is like, that's kind of the determination or

1308
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: you just have him grated higher than any hedge rushers.

1309
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm going with Blake Miller, but I think he honor

1310
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: is a solid prospect. The difference to me is he's

1311
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: just not as ready, you know, a little later to football.

1312
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: His technique isn't as polished, but you have the time.

1313
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: I might feel a little more strongly about it if

1314
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses wasn't here, but he is, so I think

1315
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: he absolutely makes sense for them. I think he'd be

1316
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: a fit. I think he'd help, you know, check off

1317
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: a major box and if you do that at the

1318
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: thirty one, at thirty first overall pick great. This is

1319
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: so I'll give you the hypothetical I gave Matt Toff

1320
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: yes in our podcast, and this is very rudimentary. I

1321
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: understand this is not how players are actually graded, but

1322
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: just for the sake of the exercise, Let's say, Patriot,

1323
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: you're sitting there at thirty one, right, just grading players

1324
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: zero to one.

1325
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 2: Hundred because it is the easiest way to do it.

1326
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: Eighty out of one hundred tackle, seventy five out of

1327
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: one hundred edge rusher. Who are you taking tackle about?

1328
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: Like seventy eight out of one hundred edge rusher? Eighty

1329
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: out of one hundred tackle.

1330
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 2: I guess maybe an edge rusher. Now I'm taking the

1331
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: better player.

1332
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: Most This is kind of what I'm going I hear

1333
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: what you're saying back and forth.

1334
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: On I think the biggest thing with the auditory mentioned

1335
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: late later to football. Yeah, I think I have his

1336
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: timeline correct now. He came over when he was thirteen,

1337
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: I believe, from Nigeria to the States. When he came

1338
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 2: over obviously like right in the high school range. Right

1339
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: when he came over. He came over to play.

1340
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: Basketball, Yeah, and he played some soccer too.

1341
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: Originally, and he was on an AAU team. He just

1342
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: kept growing, He just kept getting bigger. And his AAU

1343
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: coach is actually the one that said have you ever

1344
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: played American football? And was like no, never, Like don't

1345
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: even know what that is, basically, and so they got

1346
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: him to play American football. He actually didn't play American

1347
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: football until JUCO, right, not even in high school, so

1348
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: he has five years between JUCO and Arizona State of

1349
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: Football playing experience. I don't know Blake Miller's background, but

1350
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: the fact that he started as a freshman at Clemson,

1351
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: at a power program like Clemson, tells me that he's

1352
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 2: probably been playing football since he was like eight years old.

1353
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a I think four star recruit on

1354
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven.

1355
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 2: So definitely since high school, right, it probably further back.

1356
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: So Blake Miller is the more polished prospect, He's the

1357
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: more pro ready pross.

1358
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: He's a three star, but he played high school.

1359
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: I think Blake Miller is going to be a guy

1360
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,439
Speaker 2: that's going to start for a team in his rookie season. Yeah,

1361
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: if not day one. Ianichor is in a little bit

1362
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: more of a project. Now I get this question because

1363
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: there was age ranges all over the internet. I'm going

1364
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: with him being twenty two years old.

1365
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: I've heard the same. I haven't gotten a birthday, so

1366
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: maybe he's twenty three when the season starts. But that's

1367
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: not that's average. It's not young, that's not old. Most

1368
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: rookies are twenty two or twenty three years old. Twenty

1369
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: one is where you start talking about a guy being young.

1370
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: Twenty four is where you start to talk about a

1371
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: guy being old.

1372
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, his movement skills, his athleticism, his ability to

1373
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 2: pass protect, his range in pass protection. Obviously, his build.

1374
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 2: You know, he's chiseled out of clay to play tackle,

1375
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: arm length, all that good stuff, All that stuff is there.

1376
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 2: He's a ball of clay right now. The biggest issue

1377
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: that he has in terms of his technique is his footwork.

1378
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 2: His footwork needs some work. You know, he steps underneath himself,

1379
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: he opens his hips early, he loses his leverage points

1380
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: at times as he's moving laterally to get out to rushers.

1381
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: You know, he'll open up or open up the inside.

1382
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: He has a tendency to narrow his base, which usually

1383
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 2: invites guys to bolt rush you. You know, when you

1384
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: narrow your base, you get off balance and don't have

1385
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: his good stopping power on bull rushes. So, to me,

1386
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff is fixable, but it's a

1387
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: lot of it is with his feet and his footwork.

1388
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: All this stuff. If you're sitting him behind Morgan Moses

1389
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: for a year and you're having him learn the position

1390
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: by his second year in the league, he should be

1391
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: ready to start, right, So he might be ready to

1392
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 2: start before then. Like I'm not saying ruling that out.

1393
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 2: I thought his tape against Texas Tech and David Bailey

1394
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: and Romelo Height was really really Good's that's.

1395
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: Why he's in the first round. Conversation, I think is

1396
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: that game it shows the ceiling.

1397
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he allowed two hurries against two guys that are

1398
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: going to be playing on Sunday. Yeah, and David Bailey

1399
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: is going to be a top five, top ten pick.

1400
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 2: So he did very well against those two. I mean,

1401
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: they got him a couple of times, but for the

1402
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: most part, he was really solid in that game and

1403
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: pass protection particularly, So there's a lot to like about him.

1404
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: The other thing that with the tackle thing that we

1405
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 2: talked about a little bit last week and and sort

1406
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: of how I got to this conclusion with my friend

1407
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 2: mock draft, is just the wide wide gap. Like we

1408
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: are we're debating tight end. This is not debatable like

1409
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: you're going tackle earlier, you're going tackle day three, And

1410
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 2: there's really no in between at that position. You know,

1411
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: even the guy like crown Over a Bowery, we're still

1412
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 2: talking about fringe top one hundred players there at tackle.

1413
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: So if you don't go tackle at thirty one, when

1414
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 2: are you getting that developmental tackle? What are your expectations

1415
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 2: of that tackle?

1416
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: Long term?

1417
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 2: You're probably looking at drafting somebody the realistically that you

1418
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: hope develops into a solid swing tackle in the NFL.

1419
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 2: Ye not a starter.

1420
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: A couple guys that have like starter upside crown Over,

1421
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: Bowerie Bell, but they're not It's not a guarantee, and

1422
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: obviously nothing's guarantee, but they're a lot further away. You

1423
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: mentioned the tackle gap, like this is the big question

1424
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: to me. You use the consensus board, Ihana Chortz, player

1425
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: thirty seven right now, we know he's probably gonna go

1426
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: a little higheran that the next true tackle is crown

1427
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: Over at ninety four. We're not going to go sixty

1428
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: out of tackle, Like how high? How soon after he

1429
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: hanitar does the next tackle go right? And how much

1430
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: does that shoot the rest of those guys up, Like again,

1431
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: Bowerie Bell, that group. I know some people like Cage

1432
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: Casey from Boise State, Austin Barber from Florida, but especially

1433
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: Crown Over Bowery Bell, Like, I see people mocking those

1434
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: guys in one twenty five, you get probably gonna take

1435
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: those guys in ninety five if you want them, they're

1436
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: gonna go. It's like the two years ago Kayden Wallace

1437
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: was supposed to be whatever it was, like the tenth

1438
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: tackle off the board. He was, but he went two

1439
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: rounds before he was supposed to go because everybody just

1440
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: started taking tackles. Yeah, I could see that happening again

1441
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: this year. Just at you know, subtract whatever number you

1442
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: see him projected at, you know, subtract twenty or subtract

1443
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: around or whatever. Like that's more realistic.

1444
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 2: So the snag in all of this in terms of

1445
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: and this is exactly the exercise I went through when

1446
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 2: I put together my mock. The whole situation is like

1447
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 2: do you need a wide receiver or not? Because if

1448
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: you need the wide receiver, I think you need to

1449
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 2: take a wide receiver with the first three picks at least,

1450
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 2: but maybe the first two if you really want to

1451
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: pick somebody that's gonna have an immediate impact, immediate impact,

1452
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: And like if you pick one of the third round.

1453
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 2: Even in a class like this, you're kind of just

1454
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 2: double dipping a Kyle Williams.

1455
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: That's a rotational player.

1456
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like you're you know, you're it's the same

1457
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: thing you did last year with Kyle Williams. So if

1458
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: you really want to get like that impact guy Boston Concepsion, Cooper,

1459
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: Junior Brazzle, if you are okay with Chris Bell's Medapris,

1460
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 2: you know, those types of guys. I've started to really

1461
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: kind of see it with Ted Hurst, like you know,

1462
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: maybe ted Hurst is you know, a target at sixty three.

1463
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: Potentially those types of guys are going to go early.

1464
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: So if you need the receiver, well, you can't draft

1465
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 2: a receiver, edge and tackle with your first two picks

1466
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: because we only have two picks. So you can't draft

1467
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 2: three positions with two picks.

1468
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: Unless you trade down.

1469
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 2: Unless you trade there.

1470
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: Now you're you know, you're risking missing players.

1471
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 2: So if you do, if you don't do tackle early

1472
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 2: and you're doing it late, then you can go edge receiver.

1473
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 2: But if you feel like you need to take a

1474
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: tackle this year that has a chance to play for

1475
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 2: you early on in their rookie contract, then do you

1476
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 2: kind of have to go tackle, and I feel like

1477
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: the depth at edge rusher allows you to sort of

1478
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 2: go tackle edge right. A wide receiver, I don't feel

1479
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 2: as confident about that, Like I don't feel like you're

1480
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: going to get a receiver at ninety five and I

1481
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 2: feel great about like maybe you'll get like the stribbling tier. Yeah.

1482
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: I feel lot better at EDG nine receiver.

1483
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1484
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean I feel better about edge of ninety five

1485
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: than any position except maybe tight end.

1486
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 2: So that that's a difficult part about it is if

1487
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: you don't go tackle early, you're probably not going tackle

1488
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: this year in terms of really setting it and forgetting

1489
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 2: it at a tackle spot right, And then you have

1490
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 2: to figure out how you're going to allocate your resources elsewhere.

1491
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: Let's get into Zach in New Hampshire. What's up Zach?

1492
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 12: Hey, guys, thanks kick My call held into Unfiltered yesterday

1493
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 12: and haven't been able to listen to it, So if

1494
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 12: you already answered this question, you can just ignore me.

1495
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 12: I was just wondering what would be your ideal role

1496
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 12: for Kyle Williams this season? You know, what do you

1497
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 12: think is realistic role and what's your ideal one? And then,

1498
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 12: who would be your favorite player in the draft to

1499
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 12: pair with Kyle Williams in the receiver room.

1500
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Zach. I think the realistic

1501
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: goal for me, and this is realistic, not pie in

1502
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 2: the sky. I kind of look at Kyle Williams in

1503
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: sort of two different The floor of Kyle Williams to

1504
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,839
Speaker 2: me as a player is sort of like a Philip

1505
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: dor Set type that has a trick. It's to get

1506
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: down the field. He's pretty good at it. He can

1507
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 2: kind of hold an NFL roster spot for a while

1508
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 2: because of that. The ceiling is Brandon Cooks and where

1509
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 2: he fits. Is he the floor? Is he in the middle,

1510
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 2: is he the ceiling. I probably gravitate more towards middle

1511
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 2: the floor at this point. I think it's hard to

1512
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: see him go what he had ten catches last year,

1513
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 2: twenty catches last year. To go from Matt to Brendan Cooks,

1514
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: like seems like a pretty big leap. So I don't

1515
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: know if you're necessarily drafting anybody to pair with Kyle

1516
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: Williams like, I don't think I view it that way.

1517
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: But in terms of where I view Kyle Williams, I

1518
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: think Kyle Williams can be a NFL caliber field stretcher,

1519
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: just like Philip dor said, he is a role. He's

1520
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: a role.

1521
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know that he's growing into like the

1522
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: number one guy.

1523
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 2: Right or I don't even number two, might not, might

1524
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: not even be. That's the hope. Yeah, that's the hope.

1525
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into the special team stuff. I

1526
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 2: told you we could do it, so we're doing it.

1527
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 2: Special team's roster. Resaid. We did offense and defense the

1528
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 2: last two weeks. We'll round it out here the roster

1529
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: of special teams because it's a phase of the game

1530
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 2: and it matters.

1531
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: Don't take to go ahead or.

1532
01:11:53,520 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 2: No, I got it. Kicker Andy Borregalis check one kicker,

1533
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 2: they don't have any other kicker is good to go.

1534
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 2: Is there an area of improvement that you feel like

1535
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 2: he could work on this offseason because they're not. He's

1536
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:10,759
Speaker 2: the kicker.

1537
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: No, mean, he's pretty good. Like he had that little

1538
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: bumpy start and then he was kind of rolling. I

1539
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,879
Speaker 1: know the game in Denver was just the conditions were ridiculous,

1540
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: So you can't work on that. Yeah, No, I feel

1541
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: good about where they're out.

1542
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 2: A kicker, punter Bryce Behringer right now currently the only

1543
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 2: punter on the roster. Is he going to be the

1544
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 2: only punter on the roster in training camp? I have

1545
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: my day I doubt it. Now.

1546
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: The question is do they draft somebody? And if they

1547
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: draft somebody, I think even a two forty seven, Like,

1548
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: if you draft a punter, that's probably the guy. This

1549
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: isn't a bad punter draft. There's not that like elite guy,

1550
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: but Brett Thorson, Tommy Doman, Jack Stonehouse, Ryan Eckley are

1551
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: all like legit NFL caliber punters. It's just do they

1552
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: draft a guy and I don't know that all those

1553
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: guys will be drafted one or two of the might

1554
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: Do the draft a guy or do they go to

1555
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: the UDFA and turn it into a real competition? Right,

1556
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: we even saw last year it wasn't It was a

1557
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: real competition between Bort Allison and uh Sly, But like

1558
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't right, we get Ty goes to the draft

1559
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 1: pick and blah blah blah whatever. That's That's what I'm wondering.

1560
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm going back and forth on. They're clearly

1561
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: willing to draft these guys. They drafted a kicker and

1562
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: a long snapper. So if they do that, I think

1563
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 1: that tells you wherey're at with Bearinger. But he's coming

1564
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: I think from a higher spot. He didn't have a

1565
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: great year last year.

1566
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: They didn't, but.

1567
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: You know, Cardona, they hadn't moved on from him at

1568
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: the time. It's pretty clear they were ready to move

1569
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: on from him, like they needed a guy. And I

1570
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: don't think Sly had the season that Sly wasn't as

1571
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: ingrained as Bearinger is. So this is what I go

1572
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: back and forth on. But I could day eleven picks.

1573
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: I could see them drafting a guy.

1574
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 2: They need to draft, not draft a guy they need

1575
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 2: to bring in competition for Bearringer. It doesn't have to

1576
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: be the draft. It could be a UDFA. Yeah, I'm

1577
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 2: not saying that you have to draft a guy in

1578
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 2: the fourth round and kick Behringer to the curb, but

1579
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 2: I think they need to bring in competition. He did

1580
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 2: not have a good year last year. There are are now,

1581
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 2: you know, obviously, what do you use net average? Is

1582
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 2: that your thing? Like what's your Yeah? Net average is

1583
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: usually the classic one. There are some punter metrics out

1584
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 2: there now that are some analytical type of stuff that

1585
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 2: try to take a little bit of a deeper dive

1586
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 2: on punting. He was down near the bottom of the league.

1587
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 2: And some of the metrics that I saw last year

1588
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: just too many shanks. Like there are some good, really

1589
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 2: good punts in there, there were some not so good ones. Uh,

1590
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 2: the game in Denver, weird conditions. Marvin Mims is such

1591
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 2: a big factor. Maybe they were trying to kick away

1592
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: from Marvin Mims.

1593
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: No, but even before that wasn't great, wasn't so? Do

1594
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: you want the little if there's a connection here?

1595
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: Sure?

1596
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 1: Jack Stonehouse, the punter from Syracuse. Yeah, his cousin is

1597
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: Ryan Stonehouse, who Mike Rabel had with the Titans. So

1598
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: way that however you want, But there is a connection there.

1599
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 2: Feels like you need some competition and that might mean

1600
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 2: just the kind of kick. Give him a kick in

1601
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: the butt.

1602
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if it's open competition, and I don't know

1603
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: what we'll have to meet. Mike Grease and Brian Hines

1604
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: will have to find a way to chart that. It's

1605
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: harder thinking, oh, we're not gonna get to run the hill.

1606
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: I guess we'll still run over and check it, but

1607
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be the same.

1608
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 2: Why would it be the.

1609
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: Same because we're not.

1610
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 2: It's not.

1611
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: There's something about it being a competition, especially when they

1612
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: go back and forth.

1613
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 2: The guys are the worst. We have fun, I know

1614
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: you do and too much.

1615
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't say Mike Greece is the worst.

1616
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 2: I didn't say Mike is the worst.

1617
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: You say about me, say, I'll let you say about

1618
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: Brian Hines. You can't say about Mike Grease. Long snapper,

1619
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: they're good. They have two long snappers. Okay, I question

1620
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: about that.

1621
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: That's my question. What's the heck?

1622
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: Why do they have Nico Lallos? Well, it might be

1623
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: because this is what teams do. You keep the second

1624
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: long snapper in camp so he's familiar with your system,

1625
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: you cut him. But then, like if you need a guy,

1626
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: they did this with uh Addington, they have an emergency guy, right,

1627
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 1: it is with Tucker Addington. Nico Lalos went what Ivy

1628
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: League school do you go to?

1629
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 9: Is it?

1630
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 2: Didn't you play defensive line? Yeah?

1631
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: So he was an edge rusher and he entered the NFL.

1632
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: He went to Dartmouth.

1633
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 2: Okay, uh.

1634
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: He entered the NFL as an edge rusher and spent

1635
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years as an edge Rusher mainly playing

1636
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: in the preseason, but there was some like he was

1637
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 1: a guy that would kind of pop in the in

1638
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 1: the summer and be, well, okay, that's interesting, you know,

1639
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 1: maybe keeping around on the practic squad. And then a

1640
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,799
Speaker 1: couple of years ago he shifted to playing long snapper.

1641
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: I wonder if they brought him in to kick the

1642
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: tires on him on the edge as a potential depth option.

1643
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 2: That'd make more sense than like I thought. I didn't

1644
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 2: think of Ashby once last year, no, which tells me

1645
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 2: that that means he did his job. Because if we're

1646
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 2: talking about the long snapper, it's for a bad reason, right.

1647
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like I have

1648
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 2: a stopwatch out to get the snap to hold to

1649
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 2: what's that called the you know, the process operation time,

1650
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 2: operation time down. I'm not doing that. But I'd never

1651
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 2: noticed anything wrong with those snaps.

1652
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: They did this with Tucker Addington for years. You have

1653
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: another guy in camp so that he gets familiar with

1654
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: your operations, and then he cut him.

1655
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 2: But if if your long.

1656
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: Snapper gets hurt, you know, you don't want to sign

1657
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: a guy who's never snapped to your punter before. So

1658
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's just that I wonder if they're going to

1659
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: kick the tires on him at edge. I'm very curious

1660
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: about that.

1661
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 2: Go to the returners. Yes, punt returner Marcus Marcus Jones

1662
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,799
Speaker 2: all pro. That's the tweet. Marcus j locked and loaded done.

1663
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 2: He is due.

1664
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: He is still due for a big one. I get

1665
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: saying that durned the playoffs last year.

1666
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 2: He's due for a big return. He had the big

1667
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 2: one against the Giants, right he returned one for the

1668
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 2: House of the Giants, and he had one earlier in

1669
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 2: the year two against had a couple good player.

1670
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: No and Fton Chisholm. If somebody gets hurt or pop thug,

1671
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: it's like they have options.

1672
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 2: Good player kickoff returned like legit need Okay it is.

1673
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: We saw it last year starting with Debt Bill's game.

1674
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: The other teams could return kicks, the Patriots couldn't. It

1675
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: made a difference some momentum plates of field position play.

1676
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 2: So that you want the difference between the best kick

1677
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 2: off a turn team in the league last year in

1678
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 2: the worst. Do you want to guess how many yards

1679
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 2: it was?

1680
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: I think it's like six six and a half. Okay,

1681
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: how many a half?

1682
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 2: From one to thirty two, six and a half. Like,

1683
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying, but like, use a draft

1684
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 2: pick on a kick returner. I mean, I guess so.

1685
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 2: And the average team they have four to six round picks,

1686
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 2: so if they if they take one of those spots

1687
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: to draft a guy that can return kicks. I'm not

1688
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 2: saying that.

1689
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: The average team returns four kicks per game. Okay, So

1690
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about a difference like thirty yards over the

1691
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: course of the game, thirty yards and starting field position.

1692
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: Would you rather Drake may starting at like the twenty

1693
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: two or at the thirty five?

1694
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: Well, it's not how it works. It's six and a

1695
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 2: half yards per kickoff return. So like it's the difference

1696
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 2: between them starting at the twenty five and then the

1697
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 2: thirty one. That's a difference. Okay, it's a different over

1698
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 2: the course. It's a difference. It's a difference. But we're

1699
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 2: not like, you're not using a top one.

1700
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: Thirty yards over the course of the game. That's three

1701
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: first downs your offense doesn't have to get that they

1702
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: would otherwise have to get.

1703
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 2: You're not using a top one fifty pick.

1704
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: On this, No, you're not unless you draft a guy

1705
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: that can do both can do right?

1706
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 2: Is that ideal situation?

1707
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: How does that factor into the evaluation of a player

1708
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: like Casey conception you on right?

1709
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 2: You want him to return kickoffs?

1710
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: He's good at and ka. I guess it's different.

1711
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 2: I would not have him return kick off.

1712
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 1: I want them to have a definitive kick returner. I

1713
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: do that play matters. You saw how much the Bills

1714
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 1: used it. Like if I'm willing to compliment the Bills

1715
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: on something, you know what, I'm serious about.

1716
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 2: It, Like, I think it doesn't matter at all, No

1717
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 2: matter as much as you do.

1718
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: There were multiple games that the Bills were out of

1719
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: last year. They were dead in the water. This get

1720
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: the game. Here the game against Tampa. They get two

1721
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: big kick returns from Ray Davis and suddenly they were

1722
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: back in it. I want them to have that kind

1723
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: of juice. There are There is one true kick returner

1724
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: in the draft. Like he doesn't play. He's listed as

1725
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: a receiver. He I forget the exact numbers. He has

1726
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 1: more career kick returns than he does receptions. His name's

1727
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: Kayden Wetchin from Iowa.

1728
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 2: You've made you mentioned his name one hundred times because.

1729
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,560
Speaker 1: You no The one I keep mentioning is barry On

1730
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: Brown from LSU because I think he has like a

1731
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 1: tiny bit of wide receiver upside. He was really good

1732
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 1: as a freshman at Kentucky and then he just never

1733
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: built on it. He had like six hundred yards last

1734
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: year at LSU. He's a hell of a returner, and

1735
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what he gives you that Kyle Williams

1736
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: or Pop Douglas don't. Probably more similar to Kyle Williams.

1737
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know how big of a roller is

1738
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: for him as a receiver, but something you can try

1739
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: to tap into. I got four six round picks, man.

1740
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: I want to see them have like a guy that's

1741
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,799
Speaker 1: a threat back there as.

1742
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 2: A returner, fair enough, but can we take a running

1743
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: back that can also play running back? And it's just happened,

1744
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 2: like you know, I'm bringing up Adam Randall, but like

1745
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 2: maybe they have another guy in mind. I'm not super

1746
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 2: that can do something else besides just returning.

1747
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: I'm not super big on Kid and Wetchin for that

1748
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: exact reason. I want the guy to have a little

1749
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: more value. So that's that's what like barry On Brown

1750
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: to me, you can at least play a little bit

1751
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: of receiver.

1752
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 2: Okay, so just looking at their options on the roster

1753
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 2: real quick. Yeah, Afton Chisholm did a little bit last

1754
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 2: year that did not go so hat doesn't have a

1755
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 2: speed for it. Kyle Williams did it, and I kinda

1756
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 2: that one I'm more warming up to. Like, he obviously

1757
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 2: has the straight line speed that if he hits a creasy,

1758
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 2: he has the ability to do it. The more value,

1759
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 2: the more things you can do, right, you know. I

1760
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 2: think that he's one of those types of guys that

1761
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 2: needs to find ways to get him on the field,

1762
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 2: get the ball in his hands, simplify it for him.

1763
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: Last year they obviously used the third running back, whoever

1764
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: was the third running back, whether it was Terrell Jennings,

1765
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 2: the Ernest Johnson, Antonio Gibson early on in the season

1766
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 2: as that Terrell Jennings is back, he's under contract, Land

1767
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 2: Larison's coming back as maybe has a little bit of

1768
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,719
Speaker 2: jews to do that. Not exactly a straight line speed

1769
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: guy either, but has the vision the running back thing.

1770
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 2: Like he's probably not a home run kickoff returner, but

1771
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: he might be a guy that gets the thirty yard line,

1772
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, which is what this play kind of turned

1773
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: into last year was like the first box he wanted

1774
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: to check as a kickoff return unit was to get

1775
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 2: the thirty yard line. Anything after that was kind of gravy.

1776
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 2: So those are the three guys that I look at

1777
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 2: as options right now in house. And I will assume

1778
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: that they're going to draft somebody that has a skill

1779
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: set for it, even if it might be a receiver

1780
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: or running back that's really developing as a receiver or

1781
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 2: running back and secondarily has some kickoff return juice. Is that?

1782
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 2: Can we agree to that?

1783
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1784
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: I just want them to get somebody.

1785
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, Let's get to some more of these emails.

1786
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 2: The calls A five to five, PATS five hundred is

1787
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: the hotline. We have some recency bias examples here players

1788
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 2: here that we can get to as well. But I

1789
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 2: want to read some of the emails because we have

1790
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of them. So last week we're talking about

1791
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: wide receiver comparisons like pro comps. Yeah, and I said

1792
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 2: that I was trying to find one for Jordan Tyson,

1793
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 2: but never mentioned it. I never mentioned it because I

1794
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: was trying to find one for Jordan Tyson. I have

1795
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 2: I think tomorrow, I'm going to drop my wide receiver

1796
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 2: rankings that I do every year. They all have comps.

1797
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: I worked tirelessly to find comps that fit all these players.

1798
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 2: The one I settled on for Jordan Tyson was a

1799
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: Marii Cooper. I feel like the way that he runs

1800
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: routes is a lot like Amari Cooper. He's a six

1801
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 2: foot two, two hundred and eight pound five pound route runner,

1802
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: Like he's not a physical down the field, contested catch

1803
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 2: that type of thing. He's built kind of like that,

1804
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 2: but he runs routes more like a smaller receiver. So

1805
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 2: I've heard I settled on to Mari Cooper because Amari

1806
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 2: Cooper played a decent amount on the outside. I've heard

1807
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 2: some Keenan Allen, but I feel like Keenan Allen really

1808
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: became a slot or is he as his career progressed.

1809
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: Jordan Tyson kind of reminds me more of a Mariy

1810
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 2: Cooper because he can play on the outside. I think

1811
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 2: he can play a lot as an X on the outside.

1812
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: Where are you at with Jordan Tyson today? Because there's

1813
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 2: another name that I feel like keep coming up and

1814
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 2: people the board. It just keeps on sliding down. For

1815
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 2: Jordan Tyson, it feels like.

1816
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: Again, it's just one of those things. It's like I

1817
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: love him on the Patriots for his skill set, but

1818
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: if he falls that far, what does that say about

1819
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: where his health is? What does that say about how

1820
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: his medicals are checking out? Like I don't want them

1821
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: to take a guy that can't stay healthy, like you

1822
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: worry about that. And he had the ACL tear freshman

1823
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: year college, the broken collarbone now four different hamstring injuries

1824
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 1: last year, Like that's not nothing. Usually I'm completely out

1825
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 1: on those guys. So the fact I'm even thinking about it,

1826
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 1: I know, and people are gonna be pissed if they

1827
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: pass on him, But like is that I like him.

1828
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: I think they should take him if he falls, but

1829
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: I also get it if they don't.

1830
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 2: So Mike Rabel had to go both ways for him

1831
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 2: in Tennessee. Right, Jeffrey Simmons was hurt in the draft

1832
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 2: that he was drafted in and ended up being one

1833
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 2: of the best players in Titan's history. Uh, Caleb Fairley,

1834
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 2: Caleb Fairly, Isaiah Wilson, Right, the Wilson. There was some

1835
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 2: like off field stuff, but part of it was injuries.

1836
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: Right, I think Caleb Fairly. But Caleb Fairly had like

1837
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 1: a generative back injury. That's a lot scarier than hamstring

1838
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: to me, ham strings, ham fair both ham strings.

1839
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1840
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: Back to me is like and Gronk, there's an exception

1841
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: every rule.

1842
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you the exception.

1843
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: The back stuff is always not great. Gronk was the exception,

1844
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 1: of course.

1845
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 2: So I have a thought on Gronk here in a

1846
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 2: second that we're going to at the end, by the

1847
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 2: end of the show. So he had to go both

1848
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 2: ways for him, and ye see, he took an injury

1849
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: risk with Jeffrey Simmons hit it out of the park.

1850
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 2: He took an injury risk with Caleb Fairley, and it

1851
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:48,719
Speaker 2: blew up very famously in his face. Right, So Jordan Tyson,

1852
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 2: which one stung him? More? Right? Like? Which one impacted

1853
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 2: Mike rabel Moore hitting on Jeffrey Simmons or having Calee

1854
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 2: Fairly never basically never be healthy enough to play in

1855
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 2: NFL season. We'll find out. But Tyson is in that

1856
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 2: category I've heard career arc wise, some people have compared

1857
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 2: him to Odell because, like Odell, had all the talent,

1858
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 2: had some really good peak seasons, but just couldn't sustain it,

1859
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: couldn't stay healthy, Like could that happen with Jordan Tyson?

1860
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 2: Where every time he's healthy, he's one of the ten

1861
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 2: best receivers in football. But he's only healthy every so often.

1862
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 2: You know That's what's a couple more wide receiver questions.

1863
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 2: This one's pretty straight up. Should they draft Denzel Boston

1864
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 2: at thirty one? Where are you at right now? With

1865
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:35,799
Speaker 2: Denzel Boston?

1866
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Who else is there? I don't hate that idea, but

1867
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that he'd be my favorite pick.

1868
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 2: I've warmed up to him this draft cycle. Not usually

1869
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 2: don't have last week? Oh no, you were in last week.

1870
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 2: Not usually my type of guy.

1871
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: They're on the board at thirty one, Denzel Boston or

1872
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: Chris Brassel. You have the call retaking man? Why do

1873
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: you always do this because you change your answer every week?

1874
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 2: You're right, Boston, I'm trying to be consistent. Ye, I

1875
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 2: think Denzel Boston's who you say.

1876
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: Last week you said DENI del Boston and then gave

1877
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: all the reasons you wouldn't draft him.

1878
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 2: I know the zone profile scares me. That kind of

1879
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 2: guy should be good against zone, like a six foot

1880
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 2: three year receiver. Here's why he sucks. He's good at

1881
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, he's good at the catch point.

1882
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: He has the skill set. He's such a good fit

1883
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 2: with Drake. He's not Keon Coleman, He's not Nikhil Harry.

1884
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 2: He's He's much more fluid, you know. I think the

1885
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 2: archetype that he fits into the bust is Keon Coleman,

1886
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 2: Nikhil Harry, the ceiling is Drake London. Teed McMillan. Yeah,

1887
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 2: I think Teed McMillan and Drake London are much better,

1888
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 2: uh instinctively going over the middle of the field, finding

1889
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 2: soft spots and zone coverages, much higher success rates against

1890
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 2: zone coverage in their college careers, but their skill sets

1891
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 2: are similar. I I looked at this because I I

1892
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 2: wanted to kind of, you know, make sure I had

1893
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 2: this right with Ted and Drake London. The act stuff

1894
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 2: didn't hasn't necessarily translated all the way to the league.

1895
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 2: Like Ted McMillan wasn't a huge Ujiac thread now is

1896
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: at the routes, the targets he's getting. Who knows, so

1897
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 2: maybe Denzel Boston, I know everybody brings up that he

1898
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 2: returned punts in college. Nikhil Harry did too. I don't

1899
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: know what that means, but maybe Denzel Boston has the

1900
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 2: chance to hit that Teed McMillan ceiling. But he's not

1901
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 2: as good of a prospect as test. Yeah, so he's

1902
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 2: somewhere in the middle. Right, which way in the middle

1903
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 2: is he?

1904
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 13: You know?

1905
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 2: Is he on the higher end of that spectrum? Is

1906
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 2: he the Keon Coleman end of the spectrum? Zachariah branch Out?

1907
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 2: Am I wrong to think this is the emailer? Am

1908
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 2: iron to think he's the third best receiver in the draft? Yes?

1909
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, like, I don't know you

1910
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: view it how you view it.

1911
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: I'd have to hear.

1912
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: The argument is a little bit strong. Fort of his

1913
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 1: targets were behind the line of scrimmage.

1914
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 2: Is that the number sounds right? It was a high number. Whatever.

1915
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: It was fast and.

1916
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: Oh fast, and you know Wakeley breaks tackles.

1917
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 2: But like he was like, what is his role in

1918
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: an NFL offense besides gadget receiver?

1919
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 14: Oh?

1920
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: There isn't way he's a good gadget receiver?

1921
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 4: Is he?

1922
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: So the he's a good gadgets year, But he's nothing

1923
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: more than that he's never gonna be like.

1924
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: To do the to do what I just did with

1925
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 2: Denzel Boston. Yeah, Ken Coleman's the floor, Uh, Ted McMillan

1926
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 2: and Drake London at the ceiling. Yeah to me with

1927
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 2: and look, let's put this out there. Floor could be

1928
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 2: out of the league sure for any guy. I'm just

1929
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,719
Speaker 2: talking about a floor where he's an enfield player.

1930
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: Last year, I don't know about career. Last year according

1931
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: to PFF, fifty four percent fifty five all round up

1932
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: fifty not short behind the line of scrimmage another screen,

1933
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: twenty percent were short. He was only targeted twenty one times.

1934
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 1: Did I just do that math right?

1935
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1936
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Twenty one times ten plus yards downfield.

1937
01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:00,759
Speaker 2: He's a screen merchant, no doubt about it. Uh right, floor,

1938
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 2: mikol Harmon right where gadget player return guy? Maybe jet

1939
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:14,839
Speaker 2: sweep screens, motions, ceiling to me, realistically, is like Wandell Robinson,

1940
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel Curtis Samuel maybe is in the middle there somewhere.

1941
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 2: Wander Robinson just had a thousand. That's true.

1942
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Ndo Robinson's held player. Wanda Robinson developed more as a

1943
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:24,799
Speaker 1: downfield guy like.

1944
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 2: That would that would be the next that would be

1945
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:27,719
Speaker 2: the iteration of Branch.

1946
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: How high do you want to draft a guy that

1947
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: realistically is only going to play about thirty five to

1948
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: forty percent of the time.

1949
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see how. I don't see how his

1950
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 2: role is any different than what Pop Douglas's role was

1951
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 2: for this team last year.

1952
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: Well, Pop Dougs, you can send vertically. I wanted them

1953
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 1: to do that more.

1954
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 2: They didn't do it.

1955
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm I'm I'm out on Zach right

1956
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. I mean, if there's a team that

1957
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: thinks they can sal it'll go to some Shanahan offense

1958
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 1: and they'll find out ways to get creative with them.

1959
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 2: But kind of like Malik Washington with the Dolphins last Yeah,

1960
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 2: that's another good comp This is from Ashton. What do

1961
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 2: you think of Ted Hurst? I see him as a

1962
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 2: grant option in the second round. I have warmed up

1963
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 2: the Ted Hurst I watch a little bit yere when

1964
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 2: I got more of his Georgia Southern film. Pretty hard

1965
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 2: to find Georgia Southern film. It turns out got my

1966
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 2: hand Georgia State. Excuse me? What conferences? That is?

1967
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 9: That?

1968
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: The that the fun belt?

1969
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,759
Speaker 2: I always get the tour. It was tough to find.

1970
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 2: I found some more. I I've come around on ted Hurst.

1971
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 2: I feel we'll do ceiling floor again the sun Belt.

1972
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 2: I have kind of ceiling floor middle for him. Actually,

1973
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 2: ceiling to me is like George Pickens, right that he's

1974
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:35,520
Speaker 2: that kind of player.

1975
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: Middle athlete, really good at the catch point.

1976
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, middle maybe like Christian Watson. That's a little generous

1977
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 2: for a middle. Do you think it's too much?

1978
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 1: So, Jit, it's like a high middle.

1979
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 2: So I ended up using Christian Watson because I feel

1980
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 2: like Pickens is too much like that's okay, Pickens too good? No,

1981
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 2: I I in terms of just overall comp I ended

1982
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 2: up settling on Watson. You know, I will admit some

1983
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 2: of the reason why I put Watson is because as

1984
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:04,759
Speaker 2: Watson went to North Dakota St. Georgia State, the jump

1985
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 2: in competitions about the same as well. The floor for

1986
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:11,719
Speaker 2: that kind of player floor is tough.

1987
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: Is the middle more like mvs?

1988
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 2: So funny you say MVS for your boys stribbling. I

1989
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 2: ended up using MVS that big. Yeah.

1990
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't realize he was. I thought he was

1991
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: like in the one eighties too, Okay, I retracted.

1992
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 2: Similar, who was the who is this?

1993
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think for hers, this is going back

1994
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: years now. Who is the Steelers player? It was like tall,

1995
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: lanky burner and they would only throwing goal balls.

1996
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 2: Yes, but Martamas Brian was destined for much bigger things

1997
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 2: and then he had issues.

1998
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: Marta, That's what it was.

1999
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Martavis Brian was going to be a hell

2000
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 2: of a player.

2001
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he got popped for uh.

2002
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:57,879
Speaker 2: It was yeah. So so apparently this is funny. Apparently

2003
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 2: Steve Smith Senior he does the breakdown, so he's actually

2004
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 2: pretty good at it. Oh, I love it. He's great

2005
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:04,560
Speaker 2: And I say that like he's Steve Smith Senior. Of

2006
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 2: course he knows what he's talking about.

2007
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: It not all great players, like they can't always project

2008
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 1: that And he.

2009
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 2: Does his his comfort ted Hurst with Larry Fitzgerald.

2010
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 1: Yeah no, Well did you see Lances Alliance comp for

2011
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 1: Tenzel Boston Pooka.

2012
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get what he's saying, and he.

2013
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Does it more stylistically than Ceiling. But I do think

2014
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: that's funny in terms of the.

2015
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 2: Catch points stuff. I get what he's saying. Puka is

2016
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 2: such a better player with the ball.

2017
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: He had McBride for too yeah, too much. I don't

2018
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:38,600
Speaker 1: see Yeah. Stylistically that one, even for me is a

2019
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: little bit no. I feel like Lance does a fantastic job,

2020
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 1: but great job to me is stylistically like he's better player.

2021
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 1: But like John Smith, I don't know what I got

2022
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 1: to see yesterday on the radio and I said, think

2023
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: of any tight end that played at least above average

2024
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: for Arthur Smith.

2025
01:33:56,200 --> 01:34:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good whoever? I know, because John Newsmith feels

2026
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 2: like that's not a great ceiling if all he ends

2027
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 2: up being is Johnny Smith's.

2028
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: Like a faster Johnny Smith. He's got more speed. But

2029
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: anyway to get back to it, ted Hurst.

2030
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 2: I don't know what the floor is for that kind

2031
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 2: of player. For ted Hurst, maybe like a DJ Shark

2032
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:19,719
Speaker 2: is Taekwon? Oh that's like bust floor though well Taekwon

2033
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 2: in Kansas City, Kansas City, Taekwon I think is heavier

2034
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 2: than Tygers.

2035
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the bigger thing for me when we

2036
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: bring up ted to think of that. And it's interesting

2037
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 1: that you brought up Christian Watson in there, because I

2038
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: think they're similar players.

2039
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 2: Sam similar range.

2040
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: Ted Hurst or Bryce Lance ted Hurst, Bryce Lance to me,

2041
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I think I go the same way. Bryce Lance to

2042
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: me is it's.

2043
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 2: A little bit more of a one trick pony than

2044
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 2: ted Hurst because I think ted Hurst has that catch

2045
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 2: and run at the first level. Like ted Hurst can

2046
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 2: catch a slant, he can catch a hitch and he

2047
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 2: can turn that into a big play. I don't think

2048
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 2: Bryce Lance has quite that like gear and fluidity to him,

2049
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 2: Bryce Lance, it is I got long strides, I'm gonna

2050
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 2: eat up grass and I'm gonna get over the top

2051
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 2: of comp. Djhark was my Brice Lance comp. Because I

2052
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 2: feel like it's one trick He's probably gonna be pretty

2053
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 2: good at it. If you put him in that role

2054
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 2: where he's just running win sprints on the outside, he's

2055
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 2: gonna get by the defense enough to have an NFL career, right, Like,

2056
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 2: It's just that's the way that he's gonna work.

2057
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a middle for ted Hurst. Okay, the

2058
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: little guy's a little smaller, But.

2059
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 2: You think you think Watson's too good. Yeah, Nelson Agor

2060
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 2: he's probably smaller like Nelson.

2061
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 1: Aga body type. But Nelson A was sneaky at the

2062
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: catch point. Remember he had that one in Pittsburgh when

2063
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 1: he was here.

2064
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 2: He did that was probably his best player as a Patriot. Yeah,

2065
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 2: all right, I'll give you a couple of others that

2066
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 2: because I sometimes I go on mock draftable and I

2067
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 2: just look at measurements and try to sort of see

2068
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:54,720
Speaker 2: if that will like jog my brain. Cedric Tillman, the

2069
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 2: failed Tennessee receiver. He's in the league. Uh, if you failed,

2070
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 2: is probably little strong Dante Thornton Junior, another Tennessee guy

2071
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 2: that is just kind of a size speed guy. Those

2072
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 2: types of players.

2073
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 1: I think are still on the rounds.

2074
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:11,679
Speaker 2: I think that's probably what you're looking at in terms

2075
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 2: of four. All right, let's get back to these phone

2076
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 2: calls here, got people calling in. Eldred is in North Carolina.

2077
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:17,759
Speaker 2: What's up, Eldred?

2078
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:22,640
Speaker 4: Heyell'll do good? Hey Man, I love you on the

2079
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 4: Mother podcast too, but i'd give you a good comfort.

2080
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 4: Ted Hurst pet Bears fish Bird.

2081
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 2: Oh it's not a bad one.

2082
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember Plexico Burst well enough. I remember him,

2083
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: but not in that much detail.

2084
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,719
Speaker 2: But I wish I could go back into the memory

2085
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 2: banks a little bit better, Eldrick, because this it opens

2086
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 2: your it broadens your library of players to compare people to.

2087
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 2: But you can go back a little while. You know,

2088
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 2: bat Plexico Burris is a good one.

2089
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sixty full, I've been watching football.

2090
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to call you old, but that's a

2091
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 2: good one.

2092
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2093
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 4: But but my question is this. I know, if they

2094
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 4: go thirty one with a cap who ain't gonna play

2095
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 4: till the following year, to me, that's the way that's

2096
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,719
Speaker 4: not a luxury because you're not at that point yet.

2097
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 4: You know, if they don't get aj Brown, you know,

2098
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 4: and then you got thirty one. My boy moved up

2099
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 4: to twenty nine, from forty four to twenty nine on

2100
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 4: the board's that's brasled But Ted Hurst, you get him

2101
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 4: in the fourth fifth round if they if you chance

2102
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 4: to do that. But I can't understand why just go

2103
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 4: I heard what he said. You don't draft for need,

2104
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 4: but right now this team is in a position to

2105
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 4: draft for need. We're not in no luxury draft yet

2106
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 4: because you ain't got all the all the situations feel

2107
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 4: to replace the next person once they get old or whatever,

2108
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 4: you know. So I just can't understand why everybody wants

2109
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 4: perception on You got all them guys already on the field.

2110
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 4: You know, if anything i't to put the receiver we

2111
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 4: got last year. Him and Pop plays slot, so they

2112
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 4: got to speed and find that big outside to open

2113
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 4: it up. And you also got dobs so to play

2114
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 4: the Z so you be saying from and then you

2115
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 4: also got Booty, but Matt got to go.

2116
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 6: That's why I look at it.

2117
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 4: And I take it off the air.

2118
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks are. I've been on Eldrid's side all off season.

2119
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 2: I don't think they're in a position yet to be

2120
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 2: taking stash players in the first round.

2121
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 1: I think how hard it is to find a tackle

2122
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 1: makes that one position exception.

2123
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,679
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it anywhere else. To me, what makes

2124
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 2: the exception is AJ Brown. Like, if you're telling me

2125
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:26,799
Speaker 2: that AJ Brown is going to be a Patriot by August,

2126
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 2: then it just changes the entire complexion of how I

2127
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 2: view it. Sure, if they don't have AJ Brown, and

2128
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 2: I think edge and playmaker needs to be at the

2129
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 2: top of the list, and I put pay it could

2130
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 2: be a tight end, right, so I put playmaker, tight

2131
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 2: end or wide receiver. That needs to be your first

2132
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 2: two picks in my opinion, if you're if AJ Brown

2133
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 2: is not in the cards, but because AJ Brown is

2134
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:50,719
Speaker 2: potentially on that back burner. You can take the tackle

2135
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 2: early and take an edge in the second round. Trade

2136
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 2: for a twenty twenty seven pick for AJ Brown, and

2137
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 2: you're right where you need it to be. You know,

2138
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 2: to start with. If you're not getting a J. Brown,

2139
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 2: I think you need to take a receiver early. That's

2140
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 2: just I don't know how else you go about it.

2141
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 2: Evan is in Colorado. Good name, Evan, what's up?

2142
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 4: What's up?

2143
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 2: Guys?

2144
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 14: I've been listening to show since day one, never missed

2145
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Speaker 14: a week. I actually have a drinking game that I

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01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 14: use with my coffee for things that you guys say.

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Speaker 14: For example, Alis, whenever you say have you seen his

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Speaker 14: twenty twenty four teape? Whenever you say spend whatever you say,

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01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 14: spinning the dial.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 14: But my question is this. Look, I'm a huge fan

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Speaker 14: of Christian Dolls. I don't want him off the team,

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Speaker 14: but I think we have a history of knowing when

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01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 14: cornerbacks are at their peak in terms of value. J. C.

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Speaker 14: Jackson Tamble, what would you say if the Cowboys call

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Speaker 14: offer their two first round picks this year and next

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Speaker 14: year's first would you take it for Christian Bells?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's a lot. Thanks for the call, Evan.

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Speaker 2: I love that idea that he has. Though drinking, I

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01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 2: don't think we advocate for drinking, so let's show us

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01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 2: on it noon on a Wednesday. Let's call it coffee.

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01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 2: I like that better. But send in if you did

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01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 2: have a drinking game for catch twenty two, what would

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01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 2: it be? Because I want to see, like, yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: like I want to see what our our quirks are, right,

2166
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm all for constructive criticism. Maybe I

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01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 2: say something too much and I need to stop doing it,

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Speaker 2: so send it away. I'm curious now, I'm now I'm

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Speaker 2: invested in this. Back to the football. What were used

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Speaker 2: to just saying, yeah, you got me confused. That's how

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01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 2: I met your mother. Reference to first this year and

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01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 2: a first, that's a lot. That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot to turn down. I love Christian sauce,

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Speaker 1: but that's that's nuts.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's happening now. Yeah, first this year,

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Speaker 2: in the first next year in separate drafts. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: still probably wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying I do it. I just say that's more risk.

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Speaker 1: That's this more realistic I think about it.

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Speaker 2: That's basically what Sauce went for, right right, all right,

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Speaker 2: a couple more things I want to do before we

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Speaker 2: wrap up the show. I do want to talk briefly. Today.

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Speaker 2: Is the Patriots Hall of Fame Committee meeting. Yes, so

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01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 2: there's I believe twenty three people and one of ours.

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01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 1: Are you allowed to say this?

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Speaker 2: I think so?

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01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 3: All right.

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01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was like, well, we talked

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Speaker 2: about it yesterday on People you did, okay.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was like a secret board.

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01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 2: One of ours, you know, like getting good fellas, when

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01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:30,759
Speaker 2: Joe Peschi is gonna get made.

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Speaker 1: This is not a good example of the US. Don't

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01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 1: forget what happens to Joe Peschi.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work out good for him at all. That's

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Speaker 2: why it's kind of funny, right. No, one of ours,

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Speaker 2: Alex is now on the inside. And that is one

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Speaker 2: Mike Deuce do So who is now on the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame Committee. The committee. Oh yeah, so they don't

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01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 2: count there. They've been on it for years. One of

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Speaker 2: ours is now in there. I hope I'm not talking

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01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 2: to the phone booth like de Niro and you know,

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01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 2: throwing a fit in an hour when we get off

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01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 2: the show and do comes back. I'm very happy for

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01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 2: my guy though. That's it's pretty cool. No, that's awesome

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01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 2: to be in that room, be in that community, uh,

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01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 2: and get to vote on this. That being said, you

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01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 2: get three spots to nominate. The nomination then goes to

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Speaker 2: the fan vote, and the fans vote on who goes in.

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01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:27,560
Speaker 2: That's the process, So you can nominate anybody. So a

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01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 2: lot of the old timers will come in and they'll nominate,

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01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:32,639
Speaker 2: like Mosy Totupu and like some of the guys from

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01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 2: back in the day. Obviously there's a lot of guys

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01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 2: from the dynasty that still need to go in. This

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01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 2: is the first year of eligibility for one Rob Gronkowski.

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01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 2: I think he will written in a runaway, just like

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01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 2: Julian Lemman did last year. The Edelman Vinitari one was

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01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:50,680
Speaker 2: a little bit close relatively speaking, I expect Gronkowski to

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01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 2: get like ninety plus percent of the vote. That being said,

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01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 2: Gronk and Vinaria locks to be the next two. There

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01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 2: were locks to be on the back three people on

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Speaker 2: the ballot, So who would be your third couple of candidates?

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01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 2: Wes Welker Logan Mankins gets on it every year and

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01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 2: never gets in. One of the old timers. You know,

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01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 2: if there's anybody like that that you have.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mankins would be one for me. You mentioned

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01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 1: Wes Welker. I'm gonna keep saying this. It's an unpopular take,

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01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:20,639
Speaker 1: but I don't care. And I'm not saying it happened

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01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 1: this year. It shouldn't happen before Gronk Organitary or maybe

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01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:24,520
Speaker 1: some of these other guys.

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01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 2: I want Randy.

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01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 1: Moss to get a red jacket, I do. I know

2233
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:30,559
Speaker 1: he wants only here very short for a very short time.

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01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:31,679
Speaker 2: That didn't end well.

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Speaker 1: I look at the reception he got at the Brady thing.

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01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 2: I know, but he is a Purists are going to

2237
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 2: have a tough time.

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Speaker 1: He is a part of Patriot's history. He is a

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01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: staple part of the history of this franchise. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying he has to get in this year. I would

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01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 1: put Randy Maws in. I also don't know.

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01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 2: Scar and Scar got in. He got he got put

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01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:51,519
Speaker 2: in by mister Kraft.

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Speaker 1: Oh so yeah, So there's that contributors thing too. There is,

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Speaker 1: but that's not that's not part of this. Can we

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Speaker 1: get Ivan Fearson.

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Speaker 2: Fears good one. I've also, you know, advocated on the

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01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 2: shows for Ernie obviously at some point getting in.

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01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:07,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's true, But isn't he on the committee? How

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Speaker 1: does that work?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well yeah, so Scar right, Dante usually comes to

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01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 2: coach Scarr usually comes to Uh. I would say, the

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01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 2: only other one. Only other thing though with that is

2254
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 2: like don't you kind of have to put Bill in

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Speaker 2: before Ernie and like then Bill goes in, then you

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01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 2: can put Ernie in? Like does that order matter? Like

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01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 2: that Bill isn't quite in yet, Like Bill's gonna go

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01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 2: in at some point.

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01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what it's five years, right, Ernie left before No,

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01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 1: it's just four years.

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Speaker 2: Ernie left before Bill. It's four years. I don't know

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01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 2: if the contributor category matters in terms of that, but.

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Speaker 1: If I guess, if you want to have that argument,

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Speaker 1: I'll just say, is Ernie's last year was twenty twenty

2265
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: or twenty one the Trade Nickson draft, so twenty so

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01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,679
Speaker 1: we left in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Right April twenty one. Yeah, I think the twenty one

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01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 2: draft was Bill.

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Speaker 1: Was here for two years, so like chronologically, No, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's unfair to put like obviously Bills the

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01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: most deserving person.

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01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,679
Speaker 2: Right, but Bill, we'll go mister Kraft will put Billy.

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01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 2: That's going to be its own thing.

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01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 1: That's gonna be that's a separated esque. So the contributed one,

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01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 1: Ivan fears Ernie stand out for me. Uh, Nancy, she's

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01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 1: not in right, No, she's not in yet. She's gonna

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Speaker 1: get in that.

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Speaker 2: That will be another one that mister Craft does on

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Speaker 2: his own.

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Speaker 1: Why I would think all of these are that contributor?

2281
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 2: Yes, so I so that one's backing up to, Yeah,

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01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,960
Speaker 2: miss Nancy is retiring this she so she's not going

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01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 2: to be on this one. I don't think so I

2284
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:36,160
Speaker 2: should not have to wait, I don't she was. She

2285
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 2: was involved with the combine because remember Elliott Wolf's gave

2286
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 2: her the shout out. So I don't know if she's

2287
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 2: working through the draft and then uh, one of the

2288
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 2: best careers honestly in Patriots history. I don't know if

2289
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 2: she's calling it a career after the draft, but for

2290
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 2: right now, I think she's still technically working.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's I'm just thinking, like contributor, there's that one.

2292
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: But in terms of players, I mean, Gronk's clearly next

2293
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 1: Vinitaries clearly after him, and then the next to them

2294
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 1: hot On Macans, Moss, Welker Welker, Moss and what it's

2295
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 1: either both or neither to me. We got to be

2296
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 1: getting there with Devon, right, So Devon's next year, Uh yeah,

2297
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 1: he probably gets in before those guys too.

2298
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Speaker 2: So this is the issue that you run into with

2299
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:22,160
Speaker 2: all these things.

2300
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 1: And then when's high Tower, probably the.

2301
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Speaker 2: Year after Devon or maybe similar. This is the issue

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Speaker 2: that you have with all these guys, Yeah, is that

2303
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,800
Speaker 2: you create when you start jumping the line. And I'm

2304
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 2: not advocating if there's anything wrong with that, because Gronk

2305
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 2: and Edelman are so deserving, yeah that there's nothing wrong

2306
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Speaker 2: with it. But when you and then obviously Brady went

2307
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 2: in his year too, so that year got washed out.

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01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 2: When you start jumping the line like this, what happens

2309
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 2: is that guys start to slip through the cracks like

2310
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 2: an Adam Vinentary. It took Mike Rabel a really long

2311
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:56,879
Speaker 2: time to get his red jacket. Logan Magans is besides

2312
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 2: John Hannah is probably the second best offensive lineman and

2313
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:01,720
Speaker 2: team they can't get him in.

2314
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 1: So hang on, it's retirement from the league. Right, not

2315
01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: leaving the Patriots correct in its four years.

2316
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:07,840
Speaker 2: So Gronk and.

2317
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 1: High Tower both played the same final year was twenty one,

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01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,560
Speaker 1: So High Tower's eligible this year, so that should be

2319
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: the third guy.

2320
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 2: That's weird because I have only heard people talking about

2321
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 2: Gronk being first year eligible. So maybe I have something wrong.

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01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought it was four because I believe.

2323
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,800
Speaker 1: The High Tower didn't officially retire and he did the

2324
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 1: thing where like he was a free agent for a year.

2325
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it is.

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01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe he has to wait another year.

2327
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 2: But like because they want to try to the Hall

2328
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 2: of Fame, the Pro Football Hall of Fame I believe is.

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01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 1: Five, right, so they want to use it to bluster guys, right, right, right,

2330
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 1: So which is a good good use of it?

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01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 2: Yea.

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01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 1: If High Tower is eligible, he logan mikel was a

2333
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 1: great player.

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01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 2: I Q was eligible, I'm sure we would have he's

2335
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 2: the third guy.

2336
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just tough because.

2337
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2338
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 1: Maybe it is really nothing against Devon.

2339
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:56,960
Speaker 2: Maybe it is recy bias.

2340
01:47:57,080 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Who's more deserving Devon or Minitarry Vinitary? So maybe I

2341
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:04,759
Speaker 1: do too.

2342
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 2: But Vinitary, I mean the dynasty start.

2343
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 1: And so put him in. So like so he put

2344
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:16,600
Speaker 1: him in, and then Devin and High Tower.

2345
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 2: And you get in, you're starting to get into like

2346
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 2: the Matthew Slaters. You know, David Andrews, David Andrews, h

2347
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:28,719
Speaker 2: James White will be coming up. And you know, Logan

2348
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 2: Mankins was still sitting on the ballot. Uh. You know,

2349
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people in the room that

2350
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:36,719
Speaker 2: covered the teams back then that really advocate for Chuck Fairbanks,

2351
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 2: who was like the first like coach to kind of

2352
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 2: put relevancy. It's sort of like NFL Medal behind the Patriots. Uh,

2353
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 2: Chung gets in maybe if it's no offense, but like

2354
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 2: maybe once we get through like the Gronx, the Edelman.

2355
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 1: We're trying to think of the like second Super Bowl

2356
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 1: run Staples because it's the Cordy, it's High Tower, it's White,

2357
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:05,839
Speaker 1: it's Gronk.

2358
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 2: Obviously. Yeah, my guess is I don't know.

2359
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 1: Joe Toney probably he's not even retired yet. Joe Touney

2360
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 1: probably wasn't here long enough.

2361
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 2: Those types of guys, you know, Logan Mankins among them.

2362
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Three rings.

2363
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 2: Logan Mankins, I feel like we'll have his time because yes,

2364
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 2: again I'll disrespect anybody, but eventually you're gonna kind of

2365
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 2: run out of like the Gronks, right, that are just

2366
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:31,920
Speaker 2: like first ballot slam dunk kind of guys. And that's

2367
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 2: when you'll sort of circle the wagons back around to

2368
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 2: Mancins and those types of.

2369
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't want that to happen with Vinitari though, No,

2370
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 1: it should have with Vanitari. It shouldn't happen with mccordy,

2371
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,720
Speaker 1: and it shouldn't happen with High Tower. Who I'm trying

2372
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 1: to think who else from those teams?

2373
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 2: The other the only other guy from Dynasty two point

2374
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:52,799
Speaker 2: zero And it wasn't a long time, but Stefan Gilmore

2375
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:55,600
Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl, won a defensive Player of the

2376
01:49:55,680 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah Atriots, very good Patriots career. Uh, but it wasn't

2377
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 2: a long time. That's what's seventeen eighteen nineteen. Yeah, but

2378
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,799
Speaker 2: he was the best corner in football for a period

2379
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 2: of time while he was here. Yeah, so very good play.

2380
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm if I'm gonna say Randy Moss

2381
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 1: should be and I can't, you got to put Gilmore

2382
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 1: in if Moss.

2383
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 2: Is going to be in.

2384
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 1: So that kind of handcuffs me.

2385
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 2: Wes Welker should be in.

2386
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 1: He's the franchise all time leading receiver.

2387
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 2: Right it's him or Stanley Morgan. I forget what I

2388
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:28,559
Speaker 2: think he might have catches, Morgan has yards. He should

2389
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:30,719
Speaker 2: be in. I know he didn't win the Super Bowl.

2390
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 2: I know that the catch. Everybody holds the drop against him. Yeah,

2391
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 2: bad throw, but everybody holds the drop against him. The

2392
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,519
Speaker 2: stats in the in the period of time that he

2393
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 2: did him in are off the charts good. I mean

2394
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 2: the production that he had over a five or six

2395
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 2: year period was absolutely insane. He was the best player

2396
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 2: at his position for a period of time. You know,

2397
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 2: slot receiver specifically, he should be in. It might take

2398
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 2: a while, you know, the Super Bowl chance might get

2399
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:01,280
Speaker 2: in first, you know, the GRONKX, the Attleman's, the High Towers, mccordy's, uh,

2400
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:03,160
Speaker 2: But eventually Wes Welkers.

2401
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 1: I've got two more. I just pulled up the all

2402
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:06,680
Speaker 1: twenty tens team to see who I was missing. One

2403
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 1: is this. I think we didn't mention him. We Slater obviously.

2404
01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:11,640
Speaker 2: I mentioned he is coming up.

2405
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:13,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got another one for you. I think you're

2406
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:20,520
Speaker 1: gonna hate this. He is the franchisees all time leading scorer. Yeah,

2407
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 1: not for a Vinitary by any means.

2408
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,240
Speaker 2: I talked to Paul and Fred about that one data there.

2409
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:27,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to put words in their mouth, but

2410
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,640
Speaker 2: they've been a little bit reluctant on good. Gaskowskis he

2411
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 2: didn't really have the clutch kicks the Vinitary has true.

2412
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 2: The playoff performance wasn't necessarily great. He missed a couple

2413
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:37,800
Speaker 2: of kicks in Super Bowls. Yeah, but he is the

2414
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 2: franchise all the time leading score.

2415
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:40,559
Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more while we're on this,

2416
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 1: and this is a ways down the road. Yeah, but

2417
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking because you mentioned, like you know, they're

2418
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 1: going to run out of Super Bowl guys, and that

2419
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:50,679
Speaker 1: kind of implies, maybe unfairly like there's nobody twenty nineteen

2420
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:52,720
Speaker 1: or on that's going to get in. And you know,

2421
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 1: we hope Drake may way way way down the road

2422
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 1: for twenty years from now. If I if there's one

2423
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 1: guy that kind of gets in the mix, for hey,

2424
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:00,360
Speaker 1: before we get to all the Super Bowl guys, we

2425
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 1: should get this guy in relatively quickly.

2426
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry trending towards like, I don't know, it's such.

2427
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:11,759
Speaker 1: As one more good season.

2428
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:15,320
Speaker 2: I think it's hard because that position in franchise history

2429
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 2: is so historically good, like Francis Coats grunk House.

2430
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 1: So I would almost argue that that's why he gets in.

2431
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 2: Might be the best position other than quarterback because we

2432
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 2: have the greatest quarterback of all time. I think tight

2433
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 2: end is probably, pound for pound, the best position group

2434
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 2: in Patriots history.

2435
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:38,040
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean absolutely so, But that he's not trying

2436
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:38,840
Speaker 1: to pull up the stats.

2437
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 2: He's not on a gronk Ben Coates. I did not

2438
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 2: old enough for Russ Francis, so not on that level.

2439
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: In terms of receptions all time by a tight end

2440
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, he's third. I didn't realize that he's

2441
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 1: fourth in yards. He's probably going to pass Russ Francis

2442
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 1: this year. He's like two hundred blind Rus Francis.

2443
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:59,680
Speaker 2: But he's only going to have realistic and he's going

2444
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,640
Speaker 2: to pass Russ Francis in touchdowns. Okay, he's gonna do

2445
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:05,040
Speaker 2: a different era. To be fair, this is going.

2446
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 1: To be a sixth season in New England. He's gonna play.

2447
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:08,280
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna play.

2448
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 2: It's amazing that he's been here for six years, you know.

2449
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 1: And let's say Hypothetically he plays one more year after this,

2450
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 1: he could get to one hundred games. He'd be the third,

2451
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 1: sorry fourth Patriots tight end in history with one hundred

2452
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:20,480
Speaker 1: games played in franchise. He's gonna be top three interceptions.

2453
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:22,639
Speaker 1: He's gonna be top three touchdowns. The only guys ahead

2454
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:24,719
Speaker 1: of him are Rob Gronkowski first ballot Hall of Famer

2455
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 1: and Ben Coates significant Hall of Fame stuff. Ben Coates

2456
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 1: was the second best tight end of the nineties behind Sharp.

2457
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:32,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I think you make a case

2458
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 1: for it.

2459
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that the case that he's his stats

2460
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 2: were that ship. So I didn't realize it's a different era.

2461
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:41,799
Speaker 1: I remember like when because he passed Francis and catches

2462
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:44,240
Speaker 1: this past year, and I was like, oh, and yeah,

2463
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:46,800
Speaker 1: he's going to pass assuming he stays healthy. He's so

2464
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 1: Francis had thirty one hundred yards. He'son twenty nine hundred.

2465
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:52,040
Speaker 1: So he's two hundred yards away from Francis and he's

2466
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:53,640
Speaker 1: two touchdowns behind Francis.

2467
01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that. It's impressive.

2468
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, there, if he maybe not right now, one or

2469
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:01,240
Speaker 1: two more years, there's a case for it. Went you know,

2470
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:03,720
Speaker 1: was a leading one of the leading receivers on a

2471
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:04,960
Speaker 1: team that went to a Super Bowl.

2472
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe when maybe they win one, and you know

2473
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:11,120
Speaker 2: if they if they win one, absolutely yeah, if they

2474
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 2: win one, I don't think there's a debate.

2475
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:14,720
Speaker 1: He absolutely deserves a red jacket. Well that's kind of

2476
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: one thing working against him right now, is he played

2477
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 1: on some bad teams.

2478
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure tomorrow and Patriots unfiltered, we will get the

2479
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 2: low down of what went down, all right, in the media.

2480
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:24,679
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to, like really talk about I don't.

2481
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 2: I think it's it's not quite fight club like it's

2482
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 2: you're allowed to talk a little bit about it, But

2483
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it's supposed to be I get that

2484
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:33,960
Speaker 2: an open book either. Let's take Randy's call and then

2485
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 2: we'll wrap the show up. What's up, Randy, how are

2486
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 2: we doing?

2487
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:37,560
Speaker 12: Hey?

2488
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 6: Just real quick for you guys, because you guys are

2489
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:42,600
Speaker 6: running down the wide receivers there. But he didn't mention

2490
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 6: Jacobe Lane, and I feel like he's probably the best

2491
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:48,200
Speaker 6: bit in the right range for what we need. And

2492
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 6: like you look at the six' four two hundred ten

2493
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 6: and a half inch, hands the four four seven, forty

2494
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,320
Speaker 6: which is solid for a dude that's six four and

2495
01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 6: the one five, eight ten yard, split forty in vertical

2496
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 6: jump like production in, college multiple touchdown. Games there were

2497
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 6: games out there that he looked better Than lemon in my.

2498
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 6: Opinion SO i just want to know what you guys

2499
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 6: feel about feel like about?

2500
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:13,000
Speaker 9: That?

2501
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 6: Again LIKE i, said you guys mentioned, everybody all the

2502
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 6: tall wide receivers EXCEPT i feel like him And. Fields

2503
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 6: i'm not as big a fan Of, fields But, LANE

2504
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 6: i feel like he could really fit what we need

2505
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 6: and maybe be available around ninety. Five what do you guys?

2506
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 2: Think, yeah thanks for the, Call. RANDY i would say With,

2507
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 2: LANE i believe the number is thirty three percent of

2508
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 2: his targets were. Contested is this on this thing you texted? Me?

2509
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:39,440
Speaker 2: YES i, did AND i think it was the highest

2510
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:44,839
Speaker 2: out of. Anybody it was like, Him Surrat, Malachai fields

2511
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 2: were like the three highest. Guys so the player that you,

2512
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 2: KNOW i think the forty time With, lane it doesn't

2513
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 2: necessarily translate for me into actual. Separation he's going to

2514
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:00,760
Speaker 2: win in the red Zon He's.

2515
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah thirty three percent of his contestant of his targets

2516
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:06,000
Speaker 1: were contested and he caught less than fifty percent of.

2517
01:56:06,040 --> 01:56:08,280
Speaker 1: Them the next closest player Was elijahter out of twenty.

2518
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 7: Eight.

2519
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah so a guy that wears. Coverage, yeah slant winner

2520
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:17,560
Speaker 2: in breaking you, know slant. Winner you can use his,

2521
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:20,360
Speaker 2: frame kind of win across people's. Face he's going to

2522
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:21,960
Speaker 2: win in the red. ZONE i think he's going to

2523
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 2: be a viable red zone. Shy BUT i don't know

2524
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 2: If i'm as high on him as As randy is

2525
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:30,600
Speaker 2: because of the separation. Issues like he ran this four to.

2526
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:32,840
Speaker 2: Four it kind of reminds me remember When Jaden higgins

2527
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:34,880
Speaker 2: ran like a four to four out of, nowhere and

2528
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 2: it's like he doesn't play like. That it kind of

2529
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 2: reminds me of.

2530
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 1: That so the four four, seven, yeah.

2531
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 2: Which is STILL i thought he was going to be

2532
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 2: like a.

2533
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:44,240
Speaker 1: Four, no he's a four. Five he seems like a

2534
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 1: four or five. Guy, yeah to, me he's a he's

2535
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 1: a rotational. Player he's you, know you're gonna put him

2536
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 1: in the red. Zone you're gonna put him in try

2537
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:53,920
Speaker 1: to hunt matchups against smaller corners to win jump. Balls

2538
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:57,440
Speaker 1: BUT i don't think he's like a full time. Guy you.

2539
01:56:57,440 --> 01:56:59,680
Speaker 1: Know if they so kind of similar range in the,

2540
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 1: draft for where the projections are right now him are stribling, Stribling,

2541
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah AND i think you, know if it comes down

2542
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:06,880
Speaker 1: to one of those two, guys it's that, right and

2543
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 1: then there's some smaller guys in that. Range Brendan, thompson

2544
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 1: WHO i think you actually like just so.

2545
01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:13,320
Speaker 2: Fast he is very. FAST i mean like.

2546
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:15,320
Speaker 1: He he is the definition of the fast and.

2547
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:19,200
Speaker 2: Guy he literally made sec secondaries look slow and if

2548
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:21,880
Speaker 2: you're if you're doing, that like there are reps where

2549
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:24,320
Speaker 2: he would just take off and he would just run

2550
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 2: through the entire. Defense now it was like he was

2551
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 2: running one hundred meter because nobody touched, him, Right but

2552
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 2: like it, was it was can you be fast and?

2553
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:34,360
Speaker 1: Fast that's BASICALLY i.

2554
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 2: Think sometimes you have time speed, guys Yeah, taekwon and

2555
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:41,080
Speaker 2: then you have actual fast. GUYS i Think thompson's. BOTH

2556
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,800
Speaker 2: i Think thompson's fast on tape and he's fast in the.

2557
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 1: Forties he's fast and he's football.

2558
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 2: Fast but he's just. Tiny he's very he's five to.

2559
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 2: Six he could be. Quicker, yeah it's a lot of straight. Lines, Yeah,

2560
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:55,840
Speaker 2: no he's a full on go ball Specially.

2561
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 1: Uh Jamire bird is THAT i Think jamir bird was

2562
01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:00,080
Speaker 1: even a little. Bit and that's kind of.

2563
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 2: The two two At. Wells The Calvin austin.

2564
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:06,720
Speaker 1: My guy for. THAT i always go To Devin Tompkins den,

2565
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:09,200
Speaker 1: TIME i Thought Devin tompkins is gonna be stud just

2566
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:11,280
Speaker 1: because he was so fast and like this was early

2567
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:14,280
Speaker 1: early draft. BARTH i was, like, oh but, yeah he's

2568
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty. Pounds he can't play every.

2569
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 2: Snap oh you want my two recncy biased guys before

2570
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 2: we wrap the show? Up two offensive. Linemen it? DID

2571
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:24,600
Speaker 2: i did offensive. LINEMAN i really hammered home get to

2572
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 2: the offensive. Line and two guys THAT i just think

2573
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 2: are nasty malers that just finished blocks really. Well Travis

2574
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:32,200
Speaker 2: burg From memphis to tackle they met with, him, Right,

2575
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:35,200
Speaker 2: yeah six eight six nine three and twenty pounds is

2576
01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:37,280
Speaker 2: the mammoth of a. Dude he's gonna have all sorts

2577
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:39,480
Speaker 2: of trouble blocking speed off the edge in the pass.

2578
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 2: Rush that's gonna be his big. Problem but my, god

2579
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:43,920
Speaker 2: does he puts some dudes in the ground like he

2580
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:46,560
Speaker 2: can absolutely finish. Guys the guy That i'm actually really

2581
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:49,640
Speaker 2: more excited, about, Though, Uh, jeremiah right, NOW i knew

2582
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 2: you were gonna say that crazy the guard From auburn

2583
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:55,600
Speaker 2: fourth round, Projection like if you want a draft mic

2584
01:58:55,640 --> 01:59:00,840
Speaker 2: Oneplace mike. Went he mashes people though in in the

2585
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:04,240
Speaker 2: sec LIKE i was watching him Put georgia defensive linemen

2586
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 2: on the ground like that does not happen very. Often

2587
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 2: he can, pull he can move the line of scrimmage

2588
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 2: on base, box duo, blocks all that good kind of.

2589
01:59:12,200 --> 01:59:15,240
Speaker 2: STUFF i, mean my, god is that dude? Me and

2590
01:59:15,320 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 2: now he can't pass protect, yet and that's gonna be

2591
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:20,840
Speaker 2: his biggest. Issue you, know he gets a little bit

2592
01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 2: herkeey jerky in space and stiff and slow with his

2593
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 2: feet in. Space but if you are just looking for

2594
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:31,200
Speaker 2: a gap scheme guard that's gonna get on a double

2595
01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 2: team and it's gonna move, bodies then that's your. Guy. Jeremia,

2596
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:36,720
Speaker 2: right two guys they've met with.

2597
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:39,120
Speaker 1: My recency biased. Guy this is more of a comeback around,

2598
01:59:39,160 --> 01:59:41,000
Speaker 1: thing where LIKE i knew about him AND i liked,

2599
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 1: him and THEN i kind of lost track of him

2600
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i was starting to learn all the other. Linebackers

2601
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:46,480
Speaker 1: but THEN i went back around him today Because Matt

2602
01:59:46,520 --> 01:59:48,840
Speaker 1: dolf had him in his mock. Draft we talked last

2603
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:51,280
Speaker 1: week About Kyle lewis About Harold perkins some of these,

2604
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 1: undersized very athletic. Linebackers Deontay lawson From alabama deserves to

2605
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:55,680
Speaker 1: be in that.

2606
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:59,120
Speaker 2: CONVERSATION i, KNOW i don't know why he's a good.

2607
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 1: Player perkins is a freak one OF i think it's

2608
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:04,680
Speaker 1: like thirteen players to be named a multi time Captain

2609
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:06,960
Speaker 1: albey something like, that like good locker room guy too

2610
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:11,520
Speaker 1: fringed off one hundred. Pick but don't don't forget About Deante.

2611
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:13,840
Speaker 1: Lawson he's kind of. Forgotten god's a good way to put.

2612
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:16,280
Speaker 1: It he's kind of been under discussed in this linebacker,

2613
02:00:16,280 --> 02:00:16,920
Speaker 1: class and that's not.

2614
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:19,320
Speaker 2: Fair, okay we got to, go But jay called in

2615
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:22,200
Speaker 2: And i'm gonna give him two. Seconds jay got to be, quick, Though.

2616
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 15: Thanks for taking a. Call he really did want to

2617
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:29,200
Speaker 15: piggyback off your recently buy there the tackle From. Memphis

2618
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:31,680
Speaker 15: if you had to choose between him Or MARK. L

2619
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:34,600
Speaker 15: bell for just a, development developmental, guy who would be

2620
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:35,840
Speaker 15: the long term.

2621
02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:38,800
Speaker 2: To back up faith Most, yeah good, Question. JAY i

2622
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:40,720
Speaker 2: would probably Go, bell just BECAUSE i think the pass

2623
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:44,760
Speaker 2: protection has a little bit more upside. There i'm really worried, about,

2624
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:47,080
Speaker 2: uh the kid From memphis being able to bend and

2625
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:49,720
Speaker 2: get his hands on pass. RUSHERS i, think like those,

2626
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:53,440
Speaker 2: speedy bendy guys off the, edge, right it's gonna be

2627
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:56,080
Speaker 2: dicey for. Him. BELL i think there's more upside there

2628
02:00:56,120 --> 02:00:59,000
Speaker 2: in terms of him being able to have range and

2629
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:01,120
Speaker 2: move his feet in pass. Protection but that's a good

2630
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:03,560
Speaker 2: question because those are the two guys that, day three

2631
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:05,720
Speaker 2: guys that you're going to kind of have in a cluster.

2632
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:08,840
Speaker 2: SOMEWHERE i Did burke, though man is a mean. Sob,

2633
02:01:09,240 --> 02:01:10,960
Speaker 2: yeah there's something to be said for. That after the,

2634
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:13,560
Speaker 2: whistle he's like ten yards down the field putting guys

2635
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:15,720
Speaker 2: into the. Ground it was fun to, watch all. Right

2636
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,840
Speaker 2: we'll be back next. Week we're inside of three weeks,

2637
02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:22,360
Speaker 2: Now barth to the, draft, right, crazy it's. Crazy we

2638
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:25,800
Speaker 2: will have a lot more draft coverage next. Week it

2639
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:29,120
Speaker 2: will pee you, tomorrow maybe the old. Timers we'll talk

2640
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:31,760
Speaker 2: a little bit about The Patriots hall Of Fame committee

2641
02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:33,880
Speaker 2: meeting here, today And alex AND i will be back

2642
02:01:33,880 --> 02:01:35,880
Speaker 2: On catch twenty two Next. Wednesday we'll see you guys. Then,

2643
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:38,960
Speaker 2: hey this Is.

2644
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:41,160
Speaker 13: Matist thanks for tuning into the. Show if you really

2645
02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:42,960
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2646
02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:46,160
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2648
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:50,320
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2649
02:01:50,360 --> 02:02:07,000
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