Speaker 1: My guest today is television personality and friend Tyler Cameron.
Speaker 1: Tyler first received national attention on the fifteenth season of
Speaker 1: The Bachelorette, starring Hannah Brown, which he was the runner
Speaker 1: up of the season. He is a stand up guy.
Speaker 1: He is a good person. He's honorable. He's been called
Speaker 1: the feminist. I find him interesting. I think he's intriguing.
Speaker 1: I think his looks are the least interesting thing about him.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited now Tyler is joining season two's cast
Speaker 1: of Special Forces World's Toughest Test. Make sure to tune
Speaker 1: into Fox on Monday, September twenty fifth. This will just
Speaker 1: be with Tyler Cameron. Let's get into it. We've met before.
Speaker 1: We met in New York right after you were on
Speaker 1: The Bachelorette, and I've read so much about you now
Speaker 1: that like I felt like I knew you, and I
Speaker 1: think your book is really good. Like I have to say,
Speaker 1: you did a great job.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Thank you so much. That was that
Speaker 2: was a great experience writing the book and doing that,
Speaker 2: you know, I you know, it was it was therapeutic,
Speaker 2: honestly to kind of dive into those things and brought
Speaker 2: up a lot of conversations with me and my dad
Speaker 2: needed to have my brother, so it was really good.
Speaker 1: So when we met your mom and when you were
Speaker 1: on the show, your mom was alive, and that was
Speaker 1: something you were struggling with, and I feel like you
Speaker 1: were talking about it as a viewer. I thought I
Speaker 1: thought she was going to be okay, And I wonder
Speaker 1: if you thought the same thing, Like it felt like
Speaker 1: you turned a corner and then went backwards again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she had a brain innerism. And when
Speaker 2: when they told me that, when it happened, it was like,
Speaker 2: it's probably nothing's going to bring her back, you know.
Speaker 2: But they did all the tests and we kind of
Speaker 2: kept things under wraps for a lot long time, probably
Speaker 2: like three days into it, and then then things started
Speaker 2: to come out. So then that's kind of how it
Speaker 2: all transpired. But yet, no, it was it was pretty much.
Speaker 2: It was such a big aneurism in her brain that
Speaker 2: it was like the size of a quarter. They said
Speaker 2: that on the main artery.
Speaker 1: I'm really so, I'm really sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was that was a tough one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it still is a tough one, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: and I'm really sorry because the way that I think
Speaker 1: of you is family first. That's just how I see you.
Speaker 1: And I think it hasn't been something that you've quote
Speaker 1: unquote pushed forward. I think it's just who you are,
Speaker 1: which I think is why people have really connected to you.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you're a pretty face, you're handsome,
Speaker 1: you're in great shape, you're charismatic, you're charming. But I
Speaker 1: think that, and you've had your player passed, but you're
Speaker 1: ultimately a family person and I see that because you're
Speaker 1: always going home to your family and you're going into
Speaker 1: Florida in the summer when no one goes to Florida
Speaker 1: if they don't have to. Although I like it because
Speaker 1: I love off season, but I just see your connection
Speaker 1: to your family and the family business, and I really
Speaker 1: I love that part about you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no COVID. COVID and my mom's passing kind of
Speaker 2: got me back home and then being home for that
Speaker 2: much time, and I just feel so much more happier there.
Speaker 2: I was around my family, I was around my friends.
Speaker 2: All that stuff to me matters more than really anything.
Speaker 2: You know, my pops, you know his battles with his health,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's just important to be around we
Speaker 2: do projects together. We have a couple of construction projects
Speaker 2: going on. Like guess, We're always working and doing stuff together.
Speaker 2: It's fun. I love Jupiter. I'm a homeboy. I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm there now full time. You know. I kind of
Speaker 2: put New York behind me and I'll go visit when
Speaker 2: I need to. But Florida. I love being a Jupiter.
Speaker 2: I love being a small town. I love you know,
Speaker 2: like I want to be the high school football coach
Speaker 2: there one day.
Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that, because I think that
Speaker 1: people think that when you achieve fame, why would you
Speaker 1: choose to go back? Meaning everyone sort of thinks of
Speaker 1: me as a New Yorker. I also, my time in
Speaker 1: New York City has done too. It's a quality of
Speaker 1: life thing. It's a choice. It doesn't matter how if
Speaker 1: all the glitz and glamour and press and red carpet
Speaker 1: stuff is there, which I don't even enjoy Anyway, I
Speaker 1: feel like, how are you spending your life every day?
Speaker 1: What do you want to do? How do you feel good? Like?
Speaker 1: Fame isn't cuddling you at night? Money, Money's not cuddling
Speaker 1: you at night. I and listen, you're young as you
Speaker 1: get older, I think that'll become even more the case.
Speaker 1: But I love that you've chosen to be home. So
Speaker 1: fame has been like an accessory in your life. You
Speaker 1: don't really you don't really care about it that much,
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean, I think the most fun I ever
Speaker 2: have is is doing the stuff of my people I
Speaker 2: grew up with in my family, you know. So it's
Speaker 2: like like, if I do have some type of activity
Speaker 2: or thing that fame has brought me, I bring those
Speaker 2: people with me, you know exactly. So it's always I
Speaker 2: don't hang I'm not really in the industry. I only
Speaker 2: hang around those circles. I kind of just do my
Speaker 2: own thing in Jupiter with my people, and when I
Speaker 2: get opportunity, I bring them with me, you know.
Speaker 1: And they probably don't even give a shit. They don't
Speaker 1: even know really who you are. They couldn't care less. Right,
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 2: People to have around you because they'll humble you, they'll
Speaker 2: tell you when you're right, and when you're wrong, you know,
Speaker 2: they they'll they'll you know, they're the best people to
Speaker 2: go for advice. When but when I was running around
Speaker 2: New York or LA, I was with just a bunch
Speaker 2: of yes men and run a wild you know, and
Speaker 2: there was nobody to say that you chill out, you
Speaker 2: need you don't need to be doing this, you know.
Speaker 1: So that really is cliche, but it really did happen
Speaker 1: to you, like you really found that everybody was doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean because they always wanted to
Speaker 2: go and do whatever was cool in New York or
Speaker 2: LA and you know, and I was, and I was
Speaker 2: also going in those circles that were filled with those people,
Speaker 2: you know, so I was kind of following that too,
Speaker 2: you know. And then I realized that this isn't very
Speaker 2: this isn't me, this is very fulfilling. Like I love,
Speaker 2: Like my favorite day is just to be on my
Speaker 2: boat on a Saturday, like you know, get up in
Speaker 2: the morning, do something to do with some type of
Speaker 2: physical activity, and go hang on the boat with my friends,
Speaker 2: you know, like that to me is my person and
Speaker 2: then watch it, watch you know, watch a movie, be
Speaker 2: bid by eight. I don't I don't need to be
Speaker 2: going out to all these clubs, don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I want to. I don't, do. You know
Speaker 1: Griffin Johnson, by any chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Griff. He looked closer to me and
Speaker 2: I moved, he moved to West Palm Beach exactly.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I could see you guys being friends.
Speaker 1: He cares about like going like alligator hunting or swimming
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell he's doing. And he does all
Speaker 1: that kind of like big truck stuff. Like he's very
Speaker 1: down home, also very family and very down to earth
Speaker 1: and also a very attractive, successful man that's you know,
Speaker 1: dabbled in the game, but really knows his roots and
Speaker 1: knows who he is. That's why I thought you guys
Speaker 1: would be I mean, he's younger, but I thought you
Speaker 1: guys would be friendly because he's very he reminds me
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we always connected right away I met him. I
Speaker 2: met him like four years ago, you know, and he
Speaker 2: was a baby then, you know. But I always was
Speaker 2: like I liked his values, like what he was about.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was a coachy boyfriend I think like
Speaker 2: Indiana or or something like that, or Illinois or something
Speaker 2: small town. Yes, he always had those values and I
Speaker 2: was appreciate a griffin for that, you know. And he
Speaker 2: and he's honest with me. I don't I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't belong in the circle of this right. But when
Speaker 2: he got and I think when he got to Florida
Speaker 2: he became so much more happier and healthier.
Speaker 1: Exactly does it do you feel defined by your looks?
Speaker 1: Does that bother you? Do you think? I mean, does
Speaker 1: that annoying when people try to like make your being
Speaker 1: a family guy and you know you're in construction, like
Speaker 1: make that sort of like like like a gimmick or
Speaker 1: like an image.
Speaker 2: No, because for me, it's what gets me in the door.
Speaker 2: You know. Then it's up to me to change their perspective.
Speaker 2: So it's a tool, you know, so if I can use,
Speaker 2: you know, if that's what gives me the door people,
Speaker 2: you know, it's what got me in this world, you know.
Speaker 2: So but now it's up to me to, you know,
Speaker 2: hope you use my voice and my actions to change
Speaker 2: and prove that I'm more than just all that.
Speaker 1: It's funny because when you were on I don't know
Speaker 1: why I watched your season of The Bachelorette. I don't
Speaker 1: know what, Like I just might have been flipping and
Speaker 1: then just decided to commit, or I was watching with
Speaker 1: my daughter, and I remember, and I haven't seen so
Speaker 1: many seasons of it, but I remember saying to a
Speaker 1: producer friend that I know who worked on House. I said,
Speaker 1: this guy's got legs. He's gonna go all the way.
Speaker 1: And she said please, he's about like, you know, like
Speaker 1: the rest of them. And she thought you were going
Speaker 1: to end up in some like bachelor pile. And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I think that guy is going all
Speaker 1: the way. I actually made a bet. I wish I
Speaker 1: knew what it was for so I could collect, but
Speaker 1: I was like no. And every time I see you
Speaker 1: doing something amazing, I always say to her, told you
Speaker 1: that guy was going places. I really did. I had
Speaker 1: a feeling about you. There was something poised and confident,
Speaker 1: and you handled yourself well. It's you know. The truth
Speaker 1: is many people who are attractive are very confident and secure.
Speaker 1: They don't have to. There are a lot of guys
Speaker 1: that I call trick guys who were unattractive in high school,
Speaker 1: never got girls, then make a lot of money later
Speaker 1: and their dicks because they feel like it's not real.
Speaker 1: They don't trust anybody, they don't trust women, and they're
Speaker 1: the trickier ones. It's sometimes the ones that are like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know that there doesn't have to be some player
Speaker 1: aspect behind you. If that makes any sense, Like you
Speaker 1: could be a nice looking, smart, well adjusted family man
Speaker 1: and it could just be what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, credit too. I've had a lot of great women
Speaker 2: and friends of my life that you know, Like my
Speaker 2: mom was probably my closest friend growing up, and then
Speaker 2: my two best friends are are women. It's it's Molly
Speaker 2: and Katie, and so always being around them and always
Speaker 2: having them around always made me so comfortable, but also
Speaker 2: always made me so protective of them and other women.
Speaker 1: Well, respecting women too. I guess people say, look at
Speaker 1: a person's relationship with their mother, and you honor your
Speaker 1: mother and you respect women, which is a big part
Speaker 1: of it. So what are you doing for? If someone
Speaker 1: were next to someone on a plane, they said, what
Speaker 1: do you do for a living? What would you say
Speaker 1: you do?
Speaker 2: I tell them I work in construction and restaurants. You know.
Speaker 2: I try to keep it at that because I want
Speaker 2: that part of my life to be what I'm known
Speaker 2: for now. You know, all this stuff is added bonus
Speaker 2: and it's great, and I want to keep building on
Speaker 2: it and the TV stuff, but I want to build,
Speaker 2: like my goals to build a construction company and a
Speaker 2: real business and and really dive into the real estate world.
Speaker 2: I got some really cool projects happening right now. I
Speaker 2: got a house for sale in a couple of weeks coming.
Speaker 1: Out in Florida, like a flip I know, I spec.
Speaker 2: Home built, ground up. Okay, yeah, so that comes on
Speaker 2: the market in two weeks. And then I'm also in restaurants,
Speaker 2: you know, I just live it up. My fourth restaurant
Speaker 2: on Atlantic Avenue.
Speaker 1: In w A Beach, really which ones.
Speaker 2: It's called Three Natives, So it's like a health like
Speaker 2: a like a health bast food type chain. It's really
Speaker 2: good smoothies. Also you bowls, wrap salads, and uh it's
Speaker 2: my fourth one, and I love the brand. I love
Speaker 2: the product, and I'm just going to keep wrong with
Speaker 2: the brand.
Speaker 1: You invested with them or you started the brand at
Speaker 1: three Native Floridians. Is that what it is started?
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, I joined as a franchise, but I have
Speaker 2: to with the guy who started the company. And then
Speaker 2: I have two franchises with my other.
Speaker 1: Buddy, so they are handling operations and like how it's run.
Speaker 1: You're you're investing and ambassador and promoting, et cetera. Amazing
Speaker 1: Good for you. I love that. So all in Florida,
Speaker 1: all in Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I want to grow. I want to. I
Speaker 2: want to. I want to take it out to like
Speaker 2: college towns. I want to take it to Dallas. Those
Speaker 2: are the markets I want to hit next. So I
Speaker 2: want to get these one situated first and then and
Speaker 2: then start growing more.
Speaker 1: Is it the kind of place that works better in
Speaker 1: a college affordable place or like a wealthy community, because
Speaker 1: Atlantic is a wealthy community.
Speaker 2: We like to say we want to be in communities
Speaker 2: where uh you know, like Atlantic Avenue, like you know,
Speaker 2: like the you know, we want people with either their
Speaker 2: dad's credit card or the driving BMW's. We want to
Speaker 2: be in those community you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: First of all, in all all of the things that
Speaker 1: I was reading about you, I didn't see about that
Speaker 1: dancing thing that I loved. When you did the dirty
Speaker 1: danceing thing? What was what was in my mind? And
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was, but you reminded me
Speaker 1: exactly of him. You totally fucking channeled Patrick Swayze. Nobody
Speaker 1: puts baby in the corner. You did the lift. I
Speaker 1: need to know what that was because I was obsessed
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: That was that was so much fun it was like
Speaker 2: a little quick thing that came up. I just said,
Speaker 2: you want to do this? And I love the dance
Speaker 2: I was. I was almost a dance minor in college.
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, let's let's give this a run.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, the movie's iconic. Uh. We got
Speaker 2: to the hotel where they shot the movie at in
Speaker 2: Virginia and we got to compete to be the best
Speaker 2: baby in Johnny and I was trying to be my
Speaker 2: best Patrick Swayzey. It was It was so much fun.
Speaker 1: It was so smart of them to do you that
Speaker 1: was so good and you just finished. I didn't know
Speaker 1: Special Forces had a first season. I thought this was
Speaker 1: the first season. So you just finished the second season
Speaker 1: of Special Forces. And they're kind of like simulating the military.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, so they so yeah, they're basically simulating Hell
Speaker 2: Week essentially for like selection for like an SAS or
Speaker 2: a Seals and whatnot. It's all led by uh staff
Speaker 2: that was you know, part of the Seals or says
Speaker 2: type of Special Forces like that, and uh. And it
Speaker 2: was the hardest thing I've ever done, Bethany. I mean,
Speaker 2: it put me through the ringer. I thought it was
Speaker 2: gonna be easy. I thought it was gonna be la
Speaker 2: like foo flu Hollywood, right, you know, we'll be eating
Speaker 2: good foods, we'll be driving around all this stuff. No,
Speaker 2: they grinded us out.
Speaker 1: And so was it about physical endurance? Because you have
Speaker 1: more respect for Hannah Brown after doing it, like what
Speaker 1: do you what? What was it about? Like Survivor seems gnarly?
Speaker 1: Like what was it about?
Speaker 2: It was physical, mental, and emotional exhaustion and like and
Speaker 2: like they just beat you know, Like when when Hannah Brown,
Speaker 2: like Hanna Brown passed first season, I was like, if
Speaker 2: she can do this, I got this, you know. And
Speaker 2: then and I got into it, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is a beast, you know. And because it's not
Speaker 2: about you know, like it's everyone's own level of you know,
Speaker 2: you're in your own competition like golf, so exactly exactly okay,
Speaker 2: and so like what I'm going through is super hard
Speaker 2: for me and maybe it's different for somebody else, you know.
Speaker 2: And once I did it, man, I had so much
Speaker 2: more respect for for Hannah and Carly Lloyd and you
Speaker 2: know those are the finishers you know, the last year,
Speaker 2: Like those people are bad ass, you know. And but yeah,
Speaker 2: I got through it. And then it just gave me
Speaker 2: even you know, we got to get a little sliver
Speaker 2: and taste of what the military goes through. And I just,
Speaker 2: you know, the amount of respect you know I already
Speaker 2: had is now even way more above all that my
Speaker 2: brother's in the army. I'm like, jeesus, like, you guys
Speaker 2: go through this all, you know, and they don't even
Speaker 2: get them the love and the credit I think they deserve, you.
Speaker 1: Know, totally totally. Like you think about Navy Seals training,
Speaker 1: like what that must do to your mind?
Speaker 2: Now it's incredible.
Speaker 1: Wow, it sounds like a great experience. I mean, how
Speaker 1: long were you there?
Speaker 2: Eight days?
Speaker 1: Eight days? Okay, so they put you how many people
Speaker 1: are there?
Speaker 2: Fourteen of us?
Speaker 1: So they put you in a room with Tom Sandoval?
Speaker 1: Uh were you aware of everything that was going on?
Speaker 1: Like there's no time to talk about that nonsense.
Speaker 2: I didn't know Tom Standibal. Well I started to understand
Speaker 2: who Tom Standible was because I mean everyone in the world,
Speaker 2: you know, saw the scandal and all that stuff, and
Speaker 2: so oh this would be interesting to you know, be
Speaker 2: on the show with this guy. And and I mean
Speaker 2: I was sat next to the guy. We our bunks
Speaker 2: were right next to each other, you know. So I
Speaker 2: got to got to be around on quite a bit
Speaker 2: and get to know him, you know, quite well. And
Speaker 2: you know Tom. Tom's an interesting guy.
Speaker 1: So I think you're a pretty good judge of character.
Speaker 1: And he's on a reality show and The Bachelor is
Speaker 1: a real or the Bachelor at Bachelor Nation is a
Speaker 1: reality show, but it's a different type of reality show,
Speaker 1: the same way that The Apprentice is a different type.
Speaker 1: Like there's a goal, there's like they only care about
Speaker 1: pretty much the goal, and then there are other things
Speaker 1: around it, but that's what it is, whereas Bravo type
Speaker 1: vander Pomper House, it's kind of a little bit. It's
Speaker 1: a little bit different. So my question is, and I
Speaker 1: think it's they're like the Unsullied. It's their job to
Speaker 1: create ratings, you know, it's their job to create drama
Speaker 1: and ratings. And yes, The Bachelor is like that. Two
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation is like that too, but it's a little
Speaker 1: different in my opinion from what I've heard. So I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I never really watched Vanda Promper Rules until
Speaker 1: I was interviewing Rachel for my podcast. I did not
Speaker 1: know what I was walking into I did not know
Speaker 1: the explosion that this was going to be. Honestly, it's insane,
Speaker 1: this this this thing. But my question to you, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what role they're all playing as characters
Speaker 1: because the show is in a bar. So my question
Speaker 1: is do you think he's a good guy or a
Speaker 1: bad guy?
Speaker 2: I think you know, Tom, Here's what I told everyone
Speaker 2: about the show. As the show strips everyone down to
Speaker 2: their core, right, okay, and you I think watching the show,
Speaker 2: you'll you'll have a different opinion of how you look
Speaker 2: and perceive people, you know, Okay, because Tom had a
Speaker 2: lot of ship talk to him, a lot of hate.
Speaker 2: Nick had a lot of ship, a lot of talk
Speaker 2: to him, a lot of hate. Like you're watch and
Speaker 2: you're gonna see, like my views and perspective, you know,
Speaker 2: perspective of them changed. I think Tom Tom fucked up. Tom.
Speaker 2: Tom did something you should never do, should never cheat
Speaker 2: on your woman, you know, like we all know that
Speaker 2: problems did it, and it's broadcasted to millions of people,
Speaker 2: and then the pilot right that we live on and
Speaker 2: the canceled culture we live on just goes and like
Speaker 2: like he got you know, he he cheated but you
Speaker 2: know it was treated like murder, you know.
Speaker 1: And interesting. So you think he's a good guy that
Speaker 1: does bad things or has done bad things.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I mean when he talked, he
Speaker 2: looked out for everybody there on the show. He was
Speaker 2: you know, he would he would help out, you know,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't even you wouldn't even ask for his help,
Speaker 2: and he'd be helping you out. You know. He like
Speaker 2: he was a guy who you know, when you're doing this,
Speaker 2: you need each other. And he was there for everybody
Speaker 2: that needed him when he needed you know, sometimes Tom
Speaker 2: would do some things on his own, and Tom would
Speaker 2: fuck up here and there. You know, Tom makes mistakes.
Speaker 2: We all make mistakes, you know, on the show, and
Speaker 2: Tom would make mistakes sometimes more than others. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, Tom never had ill intent
Speaker 2: in his heart towards any of us, towards anyone on
Speaker 2: the show. He was just there to try and make
Speaker 2: it better for everybody else, you know, And.
Speaker 1: You could tell, like on a Survivor, you could tell
Speaker 1: who Richard Hatch was or wasn't, like you're saying, you
Speaker 1: could tell. In this experience, it's stripped down a situation,
Speaker 1: so you feel like you have an accurate That's very interesting.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting that I'm trying to get at overall.
Speaker 1: Where Listen, I if I invested in all those seasons,
Speaker 1: what I maybe have hated Raquel for what was portrayed,
Speaker 1: But it also is the thing that literally kept the
Speaker 1: show from cancelation. That's been said, and it's been millions
Speaker 1: and million, tens and maybe hundreds of millions of dollars
Speaker 1: in profit as a result of that affair. So you know,
Speaker 1: and I know that some people everyone plays a different part,
Speaker 1: and some people are there to be the villain that
Speaker 1: may be the only role that they're good at playing,
Speaker 1: or this is what producers are leaning them towards her,
Speaker 1: this is what they're making money for. And it was
Speaker 1: an interesting thing overall because you said that you thought
Speaker 1: that you thought that she had some sort of a
Speaker 1: hold on him Raquel, like that he she was in
Speaker 1: his heart or his mind or present there, like he
Speaker 1: did have a feeling for her, which I was surprised by.
Speaker 2: Repel the new girl.
Speaker 1: Raquel's the girl he had the affair with, yes, not
Speaker 1: the yeah like you, I hadn't seen it until I
Speaker 1: had to see it. But yeah, Raquel's the one who
Speaker 1: had an affair with while he was in a relationship
Speaker 1: with Arianna living together for ten years.
Speaker 2: He definitely talked about it in a positive light and
Speaker 2: wanted to grow their relationship and wanted to move forward,
Speaker 2: you know, like he had. He wanted to try and
Speaker 2: grow that, you know. And so I mean, I think
Speaker 2: this show you'll really get to see a lot of that.
Speaker 2: You know, you'll see a lot of character development with Tom.
Speaker 2: You know, I think this was the greatest. This show
Speaker 2: was probably the best thing for Tom's and the timing
Speaker 2: of the situation that Tom was in this is interesting,
Speaker 2: probably the the best thing for him to cut. And
Speaker 2: we talked about it, you know a little bit yesterday
Speaker 2: when I was with him at the event the premiere
Speaker 2: to the premiere event. You know, he's like you kind
Speaker 2: of gave him a little slap on They asked, like,
Speaker 2: all right, you can stop feeling sorry for yourself. You
Speaker 2: need to go move on with your life. You know,
Speaker 2: like you made your mistakes, you took your beatings, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, you need you need to move
Speaker 2: on all your life. How many people do you know,
Speaker 2: you know that have cheated on their spouse. You know
Speaker 2: they have some shame and guilt from about you know,
Speaker 2: some people here and there in their community, but they
Speaker 2: don't have to answer to the whole town or the
Speaker 2: whole country.
Speaker 1: Brilliant, very smart, very insightful. The woman sometimes he took
Speaker 1: it bad. The woman's son, his higgs even worse because
Speaker 1: she's known as the vixen, the minx, the slut. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just so it's interesting. It just was as brought up,
Speaker 1: an interesting topic overall, bigger than a reality show. But
Speaker 1: what you say is true. It's something of the answer
Speaker 1: to the world. Like it was murder. He's not married,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have kids, he's on a show fueled by alcohol.
Speaker 1: I had the same reaction as you, But I just
Speaker 1: think everyone got hooked into that at that exact moment.
Speaker 2: To me, I had something. I think it's terrible and
Speaker 2: it's it's awful. That's something I never want to experience
Speaker 2: with my spouse, you know, But it happens in the
Speaker 2: pylon culture, the cancel culture. It's so sickening, and and
Speaker 2: people just what you put someone through by doing that,
Speaker 2: the nasty comments and messages like it's just it's to me,
Speaker 2: it's just terrible.
Speaker 1: People love it. It's gotten really people really enjoy it. You
Speaker 1: see people enjoying it. So I didn't. So do you
Speaker 1: think you would have been a professional athlete? You threw
Speaker 1: out your shoulder and you said I got to have
Speaker 1: a new path, and I didn't realize, like, how seriously
Speaker 1: on the path you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a couple of things messed up my path. Well,
Speaker 2: three things i'd say, I'd say probably the wrong guidance
Speaker 2: early on about what positions and things I should be playing.
Speaker 2: You know. Two, I was a knucklehead party boy, loved
Speaker 2: to have like I had my first taste of freedom,
Speaker 2: and I went wild in college. And uh, I didn't
Speaker 2: really focus like I could have. And then three injuries.
Speaker 2: You know. I tore my knees, tore my left knee twice,
Speaker 2: to my right knee once, tore both my shoulders, tore
Speaker 2: both my hips.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I was just hanging on my threads pretty much when
Speaker 2: I was trying to go pro with the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. But that's still your first love in a way,
Speaker 1: because you said that that was your sort of dream.
Speaker 2: I'm a competitor. I love sports. I love I love football,
Speaker 2: love competing. That's why I love the show because I mean,
Speaker 2: it was it was it was competition, you know, it
Speaker 2: was competing, it was camaraderie, it was being in the
Speaker 2: locker room again, like I love I love that stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know it's when you get away from it,
Speaker 2: you miss it. That was my whole life, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that And I love those those articles
Speaker 1: that say the twenty five things you didn't know about someone.
Speaker 1: I was a good debater in high school too. So
Speaker 1: you were a good debater because because you're organized with
Speaker 1: your thoughts and you just what's the reason for that,
Speaker 1: Because there's a certain type that's a good debater.
Speaker 2: I had a really good partner, Bethany.
Speaker 1: Oh you weren't good on your own.
Speaker 2: I mean I debated in the ACC Debate Champion once.
Speaker 2: My buddy was was one of the top debat in
Speaker 2: the country, and he had me come do it, and
Speaker 2: and once I kind of rhythm had like the first
Speaker 2: couple of debates, then I became actually pretty good. But
Speaker 2: as I also able to speak about a topic that
Speaker 2: I felt, you know, passionate about, and it was about
Speaker 2: student ATHLETs if they could receive monetary conversation. And I
Speaker 2: was I mean, now they're all getting paid. You know,
Speaker 2: it's twenty We're talking about this six years ago in debate.
Speaker 2: But so I was able to be passionate about it,
Speaker 2: give you know first, you know, true life examples. So
Speaker 2: we crushed it was it was awesome.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that you have a love
Speaker 1: for food. I see your food you get really passionate.
Speaker 1: I'm the same, like you love to get the fine
Speaker 1: and taste the taste and is it really what it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be? Do you? Are you still doing that
Speaker 1: like just for fun? Are you still obsessed with that?
Speaker 2: I'm big on food. I'm right now I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be my domesticated Tyler Erras. I'm trying to go to
Speaker 2: the grocery store now and cook my own food and
Speaker 2: clean and do all these things at the house. But yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I love food. I mean I've kind of become a
Speaker 2: steak snob. Uh. You know, I'm like, I could this
Speaker 2: is expensive. I could probably make this better at home.
Speaker 1: You know a steak you mean in the preparation or
Speaker 1: in like the Woggi or the Japanese Like we're in
Speaker 1: the preparation you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. I like the wag stuff. I like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a New York strip guy.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm a New York strip guy too, with you
Speaker 1: like the bone or off off the okay, because I'm
Speaker 1: a New York strare person too. Where's your favorite place
Speaker 1: to get stay?
Speaker 2: A fair place to get stak? There's a there's a
Speaker 2: place in town and JUPI are called evo. If you've
Speaker 2: ever done the dry ash New York strips, amazing.
Speaker 1: But charred medium, like what's your temperature? Or you do
Speaker 1: medium rare? Your medium rare? Do you make it at
Speaker 1: home with like the head of gar like and then
Speaker 1: you started off in the in the skillet and then
Speaker 1: you finish it in the oven or because it's harder
Speaker 1: and the grill is good, But the grill I don't
Speaker 1: think it's as good as like the skillet pan rose
Speaker 1: you have.
Speaker 2: So I do the green egg.
Speaker 1: So I charcoal like it's oh you do love the
Speaker 1: green the.
Speaker 2: Green egg with it, and it's nice.
Speaker 1: But that green egg makes a difference in the cooking technique.
Speaker 2: So and I can still do the same because the
Speaker 2: green egg get so hot, So I put it in there.
Speaker 2: You know, I get it, you know, you know around
Speaker 2: two fifty three fifty and I get it to my
Speaker 2: temperature that I needed to pull it off, and then
Speaker 2: I get that green egg to like five hundred and
Speaker 2: six hundred degrees and then I chart nicely on the
Speaker 2: on the outside.
Speaker 1: That's like the Peter Lugers because they have those old
Speaker 1: hot ovens and that's that truck. You've been to Lugers, right,
Speaker 1: they have that old Like yeah, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I might get the green egg if it's that. You
Speaker 1: tell me that big of a difference.
Speaker 2: Okay, I never could go on propane ever. Again, green
Speaker 2: Egg is where to go.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I'm gonna all right, I gotta write that down.
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew about it, but I just forgot
Speaker 1: that I knew about it. So dating, would you do? You? Online?
Speaker 2: Date?
Speaker 1: Was that ridiculous question, like how do you meet people?
Speaker 1: And how do you deal with trust issues?
Speaker 2: You know, I try, like the Rye app, I've tried,
Speaker 2: I've done some, I've done some dating. You know, dating
Speaker 2: has changed a lot for me, probably in the past
Speaker 2: year and a half two years. You know, I dated,
Speaker 2: you know, I dated the model, I dated the influencers.
Speaker 2: I did all that, and then I was like I'm
Speaker 2: kind of stepped away from dating for a while and
Speaker 2: then I'm now putting myself back out there. But my
Speaker 2: whole perspective on the change. At first, I was always
Speaker 2: I gotta date somebody with a name and this, and
Speaker 2: shes gotta be cool, she's gotta be hosh, she gotta
Speaker 2: be all this. And now I'm just trying to date somebody.
Speaker 2: You know, Steve Harvey, who I like to listen to.
Speaker 2: He uh, he said, And I was simple as he said.
Speaker 2: Women are like an elevator button. They can either bring
Speaker 2: you up or they can bring you down. And I
Speaker 2: look at everyone I meet now like can they bring
Speaker 2: me up in life or they can? Are they going
Speaker 2: to bring me down in life? And you know, are
Speaker 2: they going to match my morals, my values? All those things?
Speaker 2: And it's just broken down in a very simple way.
Speaker 2: And I can tell within two three dates if it's
Speaker 2: going to be an up or down type of woman
Speaker 2: for me. And that's kind of how I look at
Speaker 2: things now.
Speaker 1: I look at dating celebrities because I've met celebrities before
Speaker 1: and dabble not like you did, I mean you date.
Speaker 1: Although Gigi seems like a class act, I've met her mom,
Speaker 1: her sister sort of is a fan of mine. But
Speaker 1: she seems like a class act, but like a different
Speaker 1: level than dating the influencers from my perspective, But I
Speaker 1: would think that that would just feel like a lot
Speaker 1: thinking of who you are, where you come from, and
Speaker 1: how ground you are. Even if a person's amazing, it
Speaker 1: would seem like you're in some machine, like you just
Speaker 1: have to like deal with all that someone's got constant
Speaker 1: glam and social media and teams and entourages. And I
Speaker 1: would think that would be overwhelming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for me, I want a simple life, like
Speaker 2: I want to. I want to create a lot of
Speaker 2: opportunity and do a lot of things and make a
Speaker 2: lot of money so I can do the things I
Speaker 2: want to do, which is not much. I want to
Speaker 2: I want, I guess I want to coach high school football.
Speaker 2: I want to live by the water. I want to
Speaker 2: be able to be on my boat, you know, I
Speaker 2: want to have some land to So it's like I
Speaker 2: want to find someone that fits into that lifestyle. And
Speaker 2: I've been back home. I've been dating back home, which
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not dating celebrities, I'm not dating influencers,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm dating just people, you know, and I've
Speaker 2: loved it. It's been a good change and it's been
Speaker 2: very healthy and uh, you know, it's getting a lot
Speaker 2: better for me.
Speaker 1: What's the age range? I'm just thinking because I went
Speaker 1: to Pine Crest. I don't know if you know that.
Speaker 1: Do you know that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you went to Pine Crest?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to Pine Crest. So I spent a lot.
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in Florida, but I
Speaker 1: went to high school in Florida. But what's the age range?
Speaker 2: I probably I saw her. It used to be like
Speaker 2: young twenty two is like my last girlfriend. But now
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's got to be like twenty seven, twenty
Speaker 2: six and above.
Speaker 1: Do you date older?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I would, Okay, I'll think about it. Not that you
Speaker 1: asked me to, but you never know. It's good to
Speaker 1: be set it's good to be set up. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would say that's a decent, decent way. And I
Speaker 1: actually I think online is good. Okay, do you care.
Speaker 1: I don't dating someone who's heavily into social media or
Speaker 1: being in a relationship. I don't like that, which is
Speaker 1: a double standard. But there's one peacock I guess in
Speaker 1: this relationship.
Speaker 2: I don't like.
Speaker 1: It turns me off. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2: Honestly, that's one of the things that me and my
Speaker 2: buddies will joke. That's a green flag for us. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, after all, social media, they don't they don't
Speaker 2: care about that life because that life is so consuming.
Speaker 2: I hate social media, so I hire people to do
Speaker 2: my social media, you know, because I don't want to
Speaker 2: be on it. You know, I don't want to you're doing.
Speaker 1: By the way, no one would believe me. I if I,
Speaker 1: like were taught when I retire, which won't be that long,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be doing it at all. I never understood
Speaker 1: it from the beginning. I never understood telling people what
Speaker 1: you're eating where you are. And I do it a lot,
Speaker 1: but it's become a vehicle, as you know, and you
Speaker 1: do it too, but it's like a really vicious cycle.
Speaker 2: I thot those things away down the road and get
Speaker 2: a flip phone and not to worry about internet on
Speaker 2: my phone. That would be the biggest job.
Speaker 1: It'll happen soon. Keep with the restaurants. I like this
Speaker 1: for you restaurants fishing. You get a whole program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tool, but and I'll use it for now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if she's not on social media, that's a
Speaker 2: huge plus. You know, if she's not on it much,
Speaker 2: it's great.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a green flag. I haven't used that,
Speaker 1: not a red flag. It's a green flag if someone
Speaker 1: doesn't have it. So about the Bachelorette experience, it seems
Speaker 1: like it was an amazing experience for you. It seems
Speaker 1: like you did it to find love and also just
Speaker 1: for an adventure, Like you seem like that type of person.
Speaker 1: You are competitive, as you said, and in reading about it,
Speaker 1: I think like you really did want to propose, like
Speaker 1: you wanted to quote unquote when but not really just
Speaker 1: for the show. But it seems like you really thought
Speaker 1: you could have a life together. Is that really like you?
Speaker 1: You were not a little bit freaking out that it
Speaker 1: might happen and that you might have to deal with it,
Speaker 1: think about if it would really last, Like what was
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, of course I was freaking out,
Speaker 2: Like that morning when I was getting ready to propose,
Speaker 2: I was I was sick to my stomach. I was
Speaker 2: nervous as butterflies, you know what I mean? Because this
Speaker 2: is a big step in my life. But I knew
Speaker 2: if it was meant for me, you would happen, you know,
Speaker 2: and and we figure it out, you know, And so
Speaker 2: I was excited. It was a big day. You know.
Speaker 2: I was definitely like in that I was in bubble
Speaker 2: love for sure. I was ready to fall in love
Speaker 2: with that girl. And and you know, like and and
Speaker 2: and you know, hopefully build a future. And it didn't
Speaker 2: work out that way, you know, and if it would
Speaker 2: have worked out, you know, who knows what could have happened,
Speaker 2: you know, but you know, everything happens the way as
Speaker 2: opposed to and it was a blessing it didn't, you know.
Speaker 1: But and you're still friends. You still have a good relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so have a good relationship, still friends. You know,
Speaker 2: she's great, Uh, you know, she just got engaged. I'm
Speaker 2: very excited for her. You know, I just want her
Speaker 2: to be happy.
Speaker 1: She seems great. I just wonder, like what, you know,
Speaker 1: it it was meant to be also because she's wanted
Speaker 1: this life and entertainment, and you want a girl who
Speaker 1: wants to be like in Jupiter on your boat. So
Speaker 1: that's a part of it too. Like she went on
Speaker 1: the ride, no disrespect her. I think she's wonderful and
Speaker 1: she's got a podcast which got a whole thing going.
Speaker 1: She was amaze. I just think life is interesting. But
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know that you genuinely really wanted it.
Speaker 1: Not because I care, not because I'm like a big
Speaker 1: fan of the I'm just curious that, like if what
Speaker 1: I was watching was that you really were into it.
Speaker 1: But you're right, Gabby. Wendy came on the podcast and
Speaker 1: she did talk about the bubble, and it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I've been in a situation where I'm going to be
Speaker 1: married on TV. I'm having a baby on TV, and
Speaker 1: it's not something you can control. That is different. It's
Speaker 1: like it's on steroids, the experience you're having.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is, I mean. And that's one thing
Speaker 2: I always told myself was like one of my favorite
Speaker 2: coaches saying is was be where your feet are and
Speaker 2: and I would be on his luxurious you know, dates
Speaker 2: and doing the craziest things. But I always would tell myself,
Speaker 2: remember what you're here for. I get to know this girl.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about the dates, and don't fall in love
Speaker 2: with the scene and the setting. Fall in love with
Speaker 2: this person. You know, and and you know, that was
Speaker 2: kind of what kept me grounded and kept me into it.
Speaker 2: And I like to she was she was an amazing girl.
Speaker 2: I fell in love with her on the show and
Speaker 2: and you know, I thought we could have had something special.
Speaker 2: And when when it didn't happen, it was it was.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of emotions. I was upset. I
Speaker 2: talked to my book how I cried walking down the
Speaker 2: steps in Greece from my resort, you know, and I
Speaker 2: was like, it was I was emotional because you know,
Speaker 2: with her, I was upset didn't work out because I
Speaker 2: really wanted to work out. And then also like in
Speaker 2: my life, I've always come this close to so many things,
Speaker 2: you know, football that, relationships, so many things in my
Speaker 2: life has been right here. Yeah, and uh so that
Speaker 2: was just like, damn here I am again.
Speaker 1: You know that's interesting. I get that. I really get that.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Do you still feel that way now or
Speaker 1: you don't think of things that way coming as close?
Speaker 2: You know, It's it's a great reminder because I think
Speaker 2: a lot of the reasons why I always ended up
Speaker 2: here was certain things in my preparation or things I
Speaker 2: didn't do right, or you know things I can reflect
Speaker 2: on that I can be better at in the future,
Speaker 2: so hopefully I can close the gap on other things
Speaker 2: in life down the road.
Speaker 1: And I read that there. I can't imagine why they
Speaker 1: wouldn't ask you to be the host. I don't know
Speaker 1: that you would want that. I spoke to Chris Harrison
Speaker 1: on here, but I think you would be so great.
Speaker 1: You're You're funny, you're smart, you think before you speak,
Speaker 1: you're polished, you're solid. I mean, you know the whole game.
Speaker 1: And has that ever come up, Like, would you do that?
Speaker 2: What hosts the show?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean no, it has It has not come up,
Speaker 2: But I mean I would too. It's the greatest job
Speaker 2: in the world. Do you travel around the world. You
Speaker 2: see you say like three sentences an episode and then
Speaker 2: you're up.
Speaker 1: You know, Like, I think you should have that job.
Speaker 1: I just would like you to have that job. I
Speaker 1: want you to I just I'm saying that right now.
Speaker 1: I think you. I can't think of a reason why
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have that job. I'd like that job for you.
Speaker 2: It would be great. I think you know, they probably
Speaker 2: won't want me to go through the Bachelor lead first
Speaker 2: to get to that point.
Speaker 1: But Chris Harrison wasn't a bachelor.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Jessin Palmer was. I guess it's I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's there's a lot of things that happen differently.
Speaker 1: I don't know I'm putting that out there. I think
Speaker 1: you're obvious, and I don't know why it's not. It
Speaker 1: hasn't been said like formally or officially.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And ABC called you a feminist and you kind of
Speaker 1: felt like that was flattering, But you were being called
Speaker 1: a feminist for just being sort of an honorable an
Speaker 1: honorable man. That's doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: I don't think I was just doing the respectful right thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's so true. And I have a thirteen year old daughter,
Speaker 1: and it starts really young, meaning the way that the
Speaker 1: girls treat each other and kiss the other person's boyfriend,
Speaker 1: and the way that the boys act like punks, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And it's really, I don't want to say it's a
Speaker 1: full time job. It's a consistent job of me to
Speaker 1: really talk to her about how you should be treated
Speaker 1: like it's something and not to just oh, that guy's
Speaker 1: a jerk, don't I mean, to really like get into
Speaker 1: emotionally what you deserve and you should never settle for
Speaker 1: less than what you deserve. And it's a lot of
Speaker 1: I think that mothers need to start that really early
Speaker 1: with their own experiences, sharing their own experiences and like
Speaker 1: dynamics because I feel like it's working. My daughter likes
Speaker 1: the nice sort of almost not dorky, but like the cute,
Speaker 1: nice boys that are really sweet to her and like
Speaker 1: have the glasses and come up and like give her
Speaker 1: a flower versus like there are young punks at that.
Speaker 1: You know, she's thirteen, and I like that. I feel
Speaker 1: very proud of that because it is an open dialogue
Speaker 1: and it requires a lot of conversation and a lot
Speaker 1: of listening and watching what they're doing and who they're
Speaker 1: talking to. And it starts really early, it does.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just all about I get on my brothers,
Speaker 2: my boys. You know. I was like, we never treat
Speaker 2: them like this, you know, like this is you know,
Speaker 2: like we were we're protectors and all our friends. We
Speaker 2: have such tight girlfriend groups, you know, And I think
Speaker 2: that's where it all started, is like having a really
Speaker 2: great platonic relationship with a girl, so then you can
Speaker 2: respect them, you can be there for them. You can
Speaker 2: hear what they're going through and also be a voice
Speaker 2: for them on the other end of it too, you know.
Speaker 2: And so it's just I'm in a relationship with a girl.
Speaker 2: If I'm seeing a girl, that person is important to me,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna treat that person like I treat my
Speaker 2: best friends.
Speaker 1: It's funny. My fiance is like that. He's he has
Speaker 1: a code and it's down to the little things, like
Speaker 1: he would never in a restaurant look over and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's hot, or if I even say, do you think
Speaker 1: she's attractive, he won't even comment. Like he has sort
Speaker 1: of a code and just a way that he thinks
Speaker 1: that you're supposed to respect, not a way that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to way that he does respect a woman and me.
Speaker 1: And it's really safe, you know, it's really safe. He's
Speaker 1: not one of these I've dated the hot shot. It's
Speaker 1: really exciting all the time. Feels like you're driving with
Speaker 1: no breaks and everything is a party, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's a very solid, loving, amazing partner, and it's it's
Speaker 1: just different, and I you know, it's different.
Speaker 2: Nothing worse than feeling insecure in your relationship.
Speaker 1: Insecure and like I use that with it, like you're
Speaker 1: driving with no breaks, like you're kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: you're ahead of yourself, and it seems good and it's
Speaker 1: just something feels on comfortable. Yeah, it feels unsafe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. They're miserable. They're terrible. You know, they're anxiety
Speaker 2: filled and driven and you know it's it's it's not good.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're a one last question. I think
Speaker 1: you're great. I really do. I wanted to have you
Speaker 1: on here since the beginning. I liked you from the
Speaker 1: minute I met you. I liked you from watching you
Speaker 1: on TV. I was right in telling my friend that
Speaker 1: you would go the distance as just a human being
Speaker 1: and not being like every other guy. And I think
Speaker 1: you deserve all your success. I genuinely do so. I'm
Speaker 1: really grateful you came on. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: all the things you're doing. I want to see the
Speaker 1: business deck and I want to you know, we'll get together,
Speaker 1: hopefully in Florida or when you you know, come to
Speaker 1: New York. But I wanted to ask you, uh, your
Speaker 1: rose and thorn of your career, My.
Speaker 2: Rose and thorn. Oh that's a good, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: My rose. Well, so my rose would be of the
Speaker 2: foundation I started. We started a foundation on in my mom.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I'm able to now give kids
Speaker 2: full scholarships to go to school and we're paying full
Speaker 2: tuition now. We have seven girls right now, and none
Speaker 2: of this would be possible it wasn't for my career
Speaker 2: in this world. It's a way to shine a light
Speaker 2: on my mom still, because this is what she did
Speaker 2: for everyone in our community, was finding ways to help
Speaker 2: them go to college. So I think, you know, the
Speaker 2: culmination of everything that this world, in this career has
Speaker 2: brought me has been able to you know, allow me
Speaker 2: to impact others, and to me, that's how I was raised,
Speaker 2: you know, like my mom, she always did everything for
Speaker 2: everyone in our community. My dad's the same way. And
Speaker 2: so the rose is being able to take everything that
Speaker 2: I've gotten this world and then give it to others.
Speaker 2: The thorn would probably be dealing with my phone in
Speaker 2: like social media. To me, that's the hardest thing, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's just a pain, there's you know, it's I've
Speaker 2: never had anxiety, depression, any of that stuff until I
Speaker 2: had this following in this phone and I think that's
Speaker 2: been my biggest thorn. And you know, like you know,
Speaker 2: comments and things like that, Like those things, as much
Speaker 2: as you want to say they don't get to you,
Speaker 2: those things do get to you at times. So those
Speaker 2: things make you trigger shy and to not post or
Speaker 2: be who you want to be on there, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not beyond this world is such bullshit where they
Speaker 1: act like you, Oh, be honest, you have to be yourself.
Speaker 1: This is the time now, twenty twenty three. It could
Speaker 1: be free and be open, and it's the opposite. It's
Speaker 1: the time for fear.
Speaker 2: I post about things that matter, things that I care about,
Speaker 2: and I post about things that help grow, you know,
Speaker 2: and and so I think it's just you know, that'd
Speaker 2: be my biggest thorn is just dealing with the anxiety
Speaker 2: and drama social media. I feel bad for people like
Speaker 2: Raquel and like Tom that you know they fucked up,
Speaker 2: but you know, well and then they get crucified forever.
Speaker 2: That's a fast to end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. And it's funny that you're
Speaker 1: a person that I if I look at your social media,
Speaker 1: I think you've you're You're a perfect example because you
Speaker 1: are a person that I look at your social media.
Speaker 1: It seems perfect, seems like you don't care at all
Speaker 1: and you're just natural at it and everything goes your way.
Speaker 1: And then you tell me this and it actually makes
Speaker 1: me feel like you're human, and wow, it's happening to
Speaker 1: you too, because if it's happening to you, a person
Speaker 1: that looks like you've got, it's so locked and it's
Speaker 1: so perfect, and you're just that guy that like everything
Speaker 1: works out for it. Not belittling your experiences, just meaning
Speaker 1: you post something it looks cool to millions of people
Speaker 1: like it, and you're good looking and you're working out
Speaker 1: and it's perfect, Like that's what I see. So now
Speaker 1: that I hear that there's anxiety behind it, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it makes me feel better
Speaker 1: because misery doesn't love company, but it's relatable. So I
Speaker 1: appreciate you sharing that because I really do get it.
Speaker 1: It's frightening. You're the best, So it's thank you for
Speaker 1: doing this. I good luck with the show. And your
Speaker 1: book is amazing everyone by it. It's really insightful and
Speaker 1: well written and I can't wait to see what happens next.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I appreciate you. She's always good. Catch up
Speaker 2: with you, Bethany, and thank you for having me on here.
Speaker 2: You know, check out our show on Special Forces September
Speaker 2: twenty fifth. Whatever you need for me, Bethany, I'm always here.
Speaker 1: So likewise, Tyler's book is you deserve better, and you
Speaker 1: do and the book is amazing. Thank you, Tyler. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to you again.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Talk to you soon, Have a good day.
Speaker 1: Tyler Cameron is wonderful. I met him years ago. He
Speaker 1: is I don't even like saying he's a pretty face,
Speaker 1: because he's so much more than a pretty face. He's interesting,
Speaker 1: he's textured, he's intelligent, he's well spoken, he thinks before
Speaker 1: he speaks. He's methodical, he's a class act. He's a
Speaker 1: family person. He's he's wonderful. I can't say a negative
Speaker 1: thing about Tyler. He's just I really like him and
Speaker 1: I will help him in any way. Like team Tyler
Speaker 1: Cameron all day long. And I would love to have
Speaker 1: a son like that, Like that's amazing. He's wonderful.