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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to another episode of Cutting the

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Speaker 1: Distance podcast. I'm Dirk Durham and this week's episode is

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Speaker 1: about back country safety. I met my guest a few

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Speaker 1: years ago at Elk Shape camp and I was completely

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Speaker 1: blown away by all the information that he presented to

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Speaker 1: all the campers. And I'm just gonna I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: introduce him right now. His name's Jimmy Grunwald aka Jimmy Kits.

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Speaker 1: Did I say your last name right?

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Speaker 2: No, you got it? It was spot on, spot on.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for having me, Derek. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: it's great seeing you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's been a while since we talked. Now.

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Speaker 1: Last time I think we were talking, you were coming

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Speaker 1: to Idaho Elk hunning. That was a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: How'd that go? Did you end up making it out?

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Speaker 1: And did you guys do any good?

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Speaker 2: So it was a very humbling experience anytime hunting in Idaho.

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Speaker 2: It was some pretty steep country. We were My friend

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Speaker 2: a pretty nice mule deer, but I was unsuccessful in

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Speaker 2: the in the Elk endeavor. But anytime that I can

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Speaker 2: get out elk hunting is it's always a win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I felt that last year a lot too.

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Speaker 1: My archery elk season was it was tough. I didn't

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Speaker 1: get a tag so or excuse me to get an elk.

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Speaker 1: So I would try to put them up front as

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Speaker 1: much as I could, But none of us got an elk.

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Speaker 1: Those guys got close a couple of times, but I

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Speaker 1: did get super close once, but I never did I

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Speaker 1: had a little tension on the stream, but I never

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Speaker 1: did pull it back because yeah, just never never came

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Speaker 1: to fruition. But you know, I don't I don't care

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Speaker 1: who you are. Eventually, you know, you just get you

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Speaker 1: know you're gonna get skunked. And and I've always said,

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Speaker 1: you know, about time I think I know anything about

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Speaker 1: that I'm still learning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. I was able to past year. I

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Speaker 2: was able to go down to Colorado and uh hunt

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Speaker 2: with my good friend of mine, Mitch Vatsquads, and was

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Speaker 2: was at full drop for about two minutes. Oh and

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Speaker 2: it's just all I needed to do was just step

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Speaker 2: was a great experience.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, when it's that close, it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: loud enough, is you going to step out? Oh man,

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Speaker 1: that's that's tough. I've been there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So are you gonna make it out this fall out West?

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Speaker 2: So'm I'm waiting for the draw results for Colorado to

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Speaker 2: So if that doesn't work, yeah, then I'll I'll wait

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Speaker 2: and see what happens again next year and probably just

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Speaker 2: put all my efforts here back home in Wisconsin. But

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Speaker 2: I purchased a preference point for both Montana and Wyoming,

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Speaker 2: so I'm slowly accumulating those those points.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Montana, their system is like really confusing to me.

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Speaker 1: I'll have somebody that knows how it works and they'll

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Speaker 1: kind of explain it to me, and it's like somebody

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Speaker 1: it doesn't oh yeah, soak. And I'm like, okay, now,

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Speaker 1: if you have one point, you could draw, but if

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Speaker 1: mean there's just like this crazy like who who in

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's it is complicated. So I

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So before we dive into backcountry safety, I kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely? So you know, I grew up here

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Speaker 2: and deployed Afghanistan shortly after graduating. And it was a

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Speaker 2: But I also had to make sure that I had

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Speaker 2: And it really got me thinking on the types of

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, I bet you saw some crazy stuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. And really, you know this is this

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Speaker 2: traumatic bleedings from whether that's from gunshot wounds or improvise

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that from from uh the class at

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Speaker 1: elk Shape You're talking about tourniquet and that that raised

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of it too. Comes down to

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy. So what are you what are you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So for my day job right now, I'm actually

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Speaker 2: It was a phenomenal opportunity and I learned so much

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Speaker 2: at the VA, it was something I just couldn't pass up.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. So then on the side you do

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Speaker 1: to teach education on is it just is it medical stuff?

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Speaker 1: an elk shaped camp about how where you have it

432
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: located in your pack? Where should where's the best place

433
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: to have your your your first aid kit in your pack?

434
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: So I'm a huge proponent of having it easily accessible,

435
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: So whether that's in the top lid of your pack

436
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: or if I actually break mine apart and I have

437
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: a turn a dead and a bandage actually in my

438
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: bino harness with me. Because if you're doing any sort

439
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: of spot in stock sometimes you'll set your pack down

440
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: and you might be on that on that final approach, Well,

441
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: that might be the time that's probably the most dangerous

442
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: because you're so locked into that animal. You might miss

443
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: that you know, you might miss that log, or you know,

444
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: something happens in the next and you know you have

445
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: a traumatic injury and your pack might be you know,

446
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: twenty feet away and you're not able to get to it.

447
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: So if you if you're keeping your pack on, I

448
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: always make it easily accessible, whether that's in the top

449
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: lid of your top lid of your pack, or somewhere

450
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: where you're having to dig through and pull everything out

451
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: out to get it. If I'm hunting with a with

452
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: a with a partner, I show them exactly where that

453
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: first aid kit is. And I usually have AID kits

454
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: for anybody that I'm hunting with so that way they

455
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: have it. They have it as well. But I always

456
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: show them exactly where this first aid kit is so

457
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: that way they can grab it, because if I'm I

458
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: might be rendering AID to somebody else, that way they

459
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 2: know exactly where it is. So I would always keep

460
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: it easily accessible at the top of my pack or

461
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: if you're if you're a fan of using it on

462
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: a waste belt easily where I can get at it

463
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: one handed. You know a lot of times, if if

464
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: you think about the most common injuries that we see,

465
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: it's usually going to involve in extremity. So if you

466
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: think about trying to dig through your pack where you're

467
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: trying to pull out a tourniquit or a bandage and

468
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: trying to do that one handed. That's gonna you're going

469
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: to find out pretty quickly that we're the most efficacious

470
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: place to pass that aid kit.

471
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: Is Oh yeah, So after listening to your seminar, the clinic,

472
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, you actually gave me

473
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: a kit, a first aid kit, and thinking, you know,

474
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, where should I put this thing?

475
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: And I the pack I was using at the time

476
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: had some molly attachment on the outside, and I got

477
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: another bag that would attach to the outside of my pack,

478
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: so with one hand, I can unzip it. I can

479
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: get in there and get into that stuff. And then

480
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: fast forward a year or so after that, I was

481
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: the summertime and I was out and set in trail

482
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: cameras with my dog, with my black lab Jocko, and

483
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: we're hiking in and it was in an old burn.

484
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: And this, if you've ever been in like a pretty

485
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: fresh burn, there's a lot of these weeds. I don't

486
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: know what you call them. There's somebody that probably could

487
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: tell me, but they kind of bloom in a purple,

488
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: purply pink flower, but they have these long stalks. They're

489
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: meant some places they'll be over your head. So I

490
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: had my machete and the dog was staying back really good.

491
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: But I was whacking through those trying to find the trail,

492
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: and there was there's blowdowns and it was just nasty.

493
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: And the dog had been keeping behind me really good

494
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: for for the whole time. And I was whacking these

495
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: these these weeds so I could kind of get see

496
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: through my stuff here. And I whacked one time and

497
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: I heard it, I felt it hit something solid, and

498
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: then my dog goes. I'm like, oh no, I just

499
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: whacked Jocko and I got him right on the eyebrow,

500
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: right by his eye, and man, blood like you've never seen,

501
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: like immediately, like a head wound on us, right, you know,

502
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: it just blood everywhere. And of course you know, I've

503
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: got a panic a little bit, but I throw my

504
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: pack off, and you know, I so I grab him.

505
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: I've calmed him down, and he's after the blast. He

506
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: was fine. He would just he can't see nothing because

507
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: he's got blood streaming into his eyeball. And so I

508
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: grab him and I put applied pressure. So I got

509
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: a pressure applied with a dog that's kind of squirming

510
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: around a little bit. So now I got to get

511
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: in my pack. Well, thank god it was on the

512
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: outside like you taught like you taught me. So I

513
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: got in there and I got some gauze and stuff

514
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: and applied pressure for a long time until the bleeding

515
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: kind of stopped, and then he seemed to be completely fine.

516
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: But he's got a huge, get gaping gash on his eye,

517
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: right right above his eyeball, like it missed his eyeball

518
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: by a couple of millimeters. Like I'm just so thankful

519
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: it didn't get his eye.

520
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: Yea.

521
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: So now it's like it's time to get the hell

522
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: out of there. Well, we got a hike. We're way

523
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: in there. We got a hike out, and it's uphill

524
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: the whole way. So I got to turn him loose

525
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: and let him mike. I thought about packing him, but

526
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: he's a black lab and he's not a large lab,

527
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: but I bet he's everybody's seventy five pounds, so hard

528
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: to kill. I'm just like, well, he can walk on

529
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: his own, but once that thing would start bleeding again,

530
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: it would be good for a while. They didn't start

531
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: bleeding again and then filling up his eye, and then

532
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: he'd kind of like wipe it away with his pole.

533
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: I was afraid he's gonna get a claw in it.

534
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: It ripped that thing even bigger. So every time he

535
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: kind of start pawn at it, it stop and apply pressure

536
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: for a while until it quit bleeding again, and then

537
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: we'd go. But anyway, we did this thing, you know,

538
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: leapbrogging all the way out of there with that, and

539
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: the whole time I couldn't help but think about, you know,

540
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: all the stuff you talked about and how important it was.

541
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: But you know, this, this is a dog, you know,

542
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: and you know, as if simple we we drove a

543
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: hundred miles into town and got on a Sunday and

544
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: got you know, medical attention, got him all sewed up

545
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: and everything, which was good. But you think, you think

546
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: about a hunting partner that is more gravely injured, and

547
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: and I was just like so happy that I had

548
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: that on the outside of my pack or easily accessible

549
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: and not buried. You know, you made mention, you know,

550
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: back then, like yeah, don't bury that thing in the

551
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: bottom of your pack where you have to rifle through

552
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: all your crap and un zip about a whole bunch

553
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: of zippers and get to it. Just have that thing

554
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: super readily accessible, and if if it's life saving majors,

555
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, like if you're gonna have to deplay that

556
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: tourniquet or you know whatever, seconds right you you have

557
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: seconds to get this done without you know, something bad happening.

558
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: Right And that's and that's the big thing too, is

559
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: is knowing how to use the kit or the kit

560
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: that you have, so particularly with all the functions of

561
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: the tourniquet, you know, you would think like when when

562
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: it comes down to it, it's just the same for

563
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: like for archery and your shot repetition, where it's like

564
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: you're not gonna You're not gonna. It's the old adage

565
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: of you're not going to rise to the occasion, You're

566
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: going to fall to the level of your graining. So

567
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: in just the especially when you're already your heart rate's

568
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: going to be elevated, you lose like fine motor control

569
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: pretty easily. That's usually the first thing to go. And

570
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: just even the the act of taking that tourniquet out

571
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: of the plastic wrapping that it comes in can be huge.

572
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: I've seen that plastic wrapping defeat more medical professionals than

573
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: anything than any disease out there, and it's it's really

574
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: it just comes down to your trying to think about

575
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: like I got to get the tourniquet out, I got

576
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: to get this bleeding controlled. And the next thing, you know,

577
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: it's like a snowball rolling down a hill where you're

578
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: doing all of these things, none of them very well.

579
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: More importantly, none of them you know, very fast, and

580
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: you're just not being effective in your in your treatment.

581
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: So with most tourniquets, it's it's when it comes to

582
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: you know, opening them up, deploying them. There's a lot

583
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: of great tourniquits that are out there on the mark

584
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, on the market. I would suggest you know,

585
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: like when you when it comes to tourniquets specifically, is

586
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: ordering them like directly from the these you know, like

587
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: like from companies that sell them versus Amazon and some

588
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: of these other sites. Because sometimes you can get these

589
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: uh you know, knockoff tourniquets that aren't built to standards

590
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: and specifications. So the tourniquets that are out there now

591
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: are uh tested to you know, to test it to

592
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 2: industry standard and have a lot of data that's been

593
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: over you know, twenty years of warfare through the Committee

594
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: of tactical combat casualty care. So there's a lot of

595
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: good you know, efficacy for these tourniquets and vantages. In fact,

596
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: you know, the ones that that I advocate for have

597
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: all been I've you know, used, you know, in in

598
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: real life in combat. And it's great that we're actually

599
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 2: starting to see these tourniquets, you know, and and uh

600
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: and uh gauze actually now present in our in our

601
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: hospitals and even our you know, our law enforcement is

602
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: now carrying these tourniquits too, which is great to see.

603
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's awesome. So somebody might say, well, man,

604
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to carry a tournique in my final harness.

605
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot of weight. Those things don't

606
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: weigh anything. What are they like ounces? Just a few

607
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: ounces not it exactly.

608
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 2: I mean most of those big maine way like. Yeah,

609
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: And if you don't like carrying it there, that's fine.

610
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: You can even just put it in one of your

611
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: cargo pockets, just so that way you have something on

612
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: you because if when that happens, trying to reach for

613
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: that tourniquit is you know, and I you know, it's hard,

614
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: like a belt is not is not going to suffice

615
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: for a tournique. A lot of times when I hear

616
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: people about using a belt, more than likely they're creating

617
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: what we call a venus tourniquet, so they're putting pressure,

618
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: but not enough to up an arterial bleed. Uh. It's

619
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: for anyone that's had a tourniquet on applied appropriately, it

620
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: is extremely painful to have. Like, it is extremely painful,

621
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: and you know, once a tourniquet's on, usually it has

622
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: We usually try to get that tourniquet off within two hours.

623
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: You know, beyond two hours, we start to get concerned

624
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: for you know, uh, tissue death below that level of

625
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: the injury. So because what you're doing is you're cutting

626
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: off the blood flow to to try to stop the

627
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: life threat and bleed while all that other tissue that's present,

628
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: like if it's in your leg, you know, all that

629
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: muscle that's that's in your lower leg that's not getting

630
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: good blood flow, and after around two hours, that muscle

631
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: starts to starts to die off. And when that muscle

632
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: dives off, that can release toxins and that can cause

633
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: some pretty significant issues, particularly with the electricity of your heart.

634
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: So we usually recommend like if that Turnicut's. You know,

635
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: once that we usually try to convert that tourniquet at

636
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: the two hour mark. And if you can't get that

637
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 2: tourniquet off in two hours, it usually stays on until

638
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: you can get to a higher level of care where

639
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: we can get some medications and some devices on board,

640
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: uh to ensure that once you release that tourniquet, those

641
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: toxins don't cause an issue with your heart.

642
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good information. So everybody says, oh, I'm good,

643
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: I'll just carry some quick clot What what's what's the

644
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: lowdown on quick clot Everybody throws that around.

645
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so quick clot is it is a great you know,

646
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: it's a great It's a type of what we call

647
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: a chemostatic agent. Uh. Back when I first came into

648
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 2: the army, UH, we had for for bleeding control, they

649
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: have these things this uh it was these quick clot

650
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: was this uh, these granules that looked like sand and

651
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: you would actually pour that into a wound. And when

652
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: you would pour it into a wound, it would actually

653
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: basically almost cauterize the bleed, which was great if we

654
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: were pouring it in, because we were pouring it into

655
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: like you know, abdominal wounds and these wounds like near

656
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: the in the groin, and it was great at stopping bleeding.

657
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: The problem was is it was you know, it was

658
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: killing off any sort of vital tissue, was creating a

659
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: huge problem for our surgeons. So we really weren't helping

660
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: our patients too much. So then uh, they basically put

661
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: the chemicals of the that were in the granules, then

662
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: put it into a bandage and that way the bandage

663
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: then could be packed into a wound and then potent

664
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: then could eventually be pulled away. So the goal was

665
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: is to create a like a blood clot you know

666
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: in the area of the traumatic wound. So areas that

667
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: you'd want to use quick clot would be you know,

668
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: in the extremity. So anything in your arms, uh, you know,

669
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: your your arms and your legs, you don't really you

670
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: don't want to put any sort of packing material what

671
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: we call in the box here, so in your chest

672
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: and in your your pelvis, because what happens is you

673
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: can just be packing things in for days and you're

674
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: not getting a good uh, you're not getting good control

675
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 2: the bleeding. In order for a lot of these hemostatic

676
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: type agents to work. You actually have to hold pressure

677
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 2: on the area of bleeding for three minutes to really

678
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: get the full properties of that hemostatic agent. Before we

679
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: had the quick clot gauze. I can't tell you the

680
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: number of wounds that I've packed extremities where I've been

681
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 2: able to put in uh, just with just regular roll

682
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: gaus that you can get from you know, Walmart, er

683
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: any drug store where you can pack in to a

684
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: wound and hold pressure and have pretty good effect from

685
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: from like a from stopping that bleed. So the thing

686
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: too is that these these agents, those hemostatic bandages, they

687
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: could get pretty expensive sometimes. You know that can be

688
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: when you when you look at the the what you know,

689
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: hunting in it itself. You know, tag costs are high

690
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: to begin with, and then if you're you're factoring in travel,

691
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: you know, broad heads, packs everything, you know what, by

692
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: the time it gets to like things like food and

693
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: and your your first aid kit, that's usually the first thing.

694
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: It's like, I got band aids, I got you know,

695
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm good, I don't need anything for first aid. And

696
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: it's like I'm not paying you know, however, you know,

697
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: forty fifty dollars for one bandage. You know, it's like

698
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: that would be a pretty big er you know for

699
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: me to for me to want to use that versus, Hey,

700
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: I'd rather see somebody use if they're going to carry anything,

701
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: have a tourniquit and then you know, if they and

702
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: then having that just like some rolled gauze they you know,

703
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: they can buy over the counter, and then just having

704
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: a dressing and go over the top, whether that's like

705
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: an elastic bandage, something like an ace bandage that works.

706
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: That works very well. Now I will say, like hemostatic

707
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: guz is great. If you told me, like if I

708
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 2: could you know a hemostatic agent versus an non hemostatic agent. Gods,

709
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: I would take a hemostatic agent every day just because

710
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: it's it. I mean, it's it's definitely added at benefit

711
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: sometimes though it that that also can drive up cost,

712
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: and when folks are looking at it, it's like I

713
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: don't want them to just totally you know, miss you know,

714
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: not take an AID kit because they don't want to,

715
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: you know, but the you know, they don't want to

716
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: spend the money for like a hemostatic dressing.

717
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's funny and it's

718
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: a fine line of like how much you want to

719
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: spend on stuff, but sometimes well you want this thing

720
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: to work really good or kind of good. Like I've

721
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: always whenever I come to those crossroads, and no matter

722
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: what I'm buying, you know, whether it's stuff or the

723
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: house or whatever, it seems like every time I try

724
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: to cheap out at the time I need to use

725
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: it or need to do whatever the task is, then

726
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm mad at myself for buying the cheap stuff, like

727
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: dang it, I should have just bought the good whatever

728
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: it was. And and because they just work better, right, yep,

729
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's something save up for, Like start now

730
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: you got your hunting September, start saving a little bit

731
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: of money, you know, get that hemistatic hemistatic gauze and

732
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: you know, for the price of you know what, five

733
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: trips to Starbucks, you could pay for pay for some

734
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: of that exactly.

735
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 2: And it and it's really too It's like it's it's

736
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 2: a peace of mind knowing that that kit is there

737
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: and it's you know, everything is right. It's it's pre

738
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: packaged where it's like, hey, I have you know, it's

739
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: I have I know I have this this hemostatic gauze there,

740
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: I have a bandage. You know, everything is set ready

741
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: to go. And you know, I know I made that

742
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: joke about band aids, but you know it's always good

743
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: to have have those types of things in there too.

744
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: Having band aids and gauze. Duct tape works great, lucas

745
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: lucaside tape. Foot care is another big thing as well,

746
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 2: being able to you know, with your boots being broken

747
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: in and just having like when you get back from

748
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: camp each night, just being able to take your boots

749
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: off and air you know, air out your feet can

750
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: be huge for us. The you know, coming from I

751
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: see this a lot with Midwest hunters. You know, we

752
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: because it's colder and we do a lot more like

753
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of you know, spot and stock

754
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: type hunting where we are. Uh, you know, guys will

755
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 2: just be like, well, I'm going out West. I'll take

756
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: my you know, I'll take my my eight hundred gram

757
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: finsilate boots. But they'll do a September elk hunt and

758
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: it can be super hot and you know, in September,

759
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: regardless of where you are, and their feet, they you know,

760
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: are sweating as they're walking up the mountain, and now

761
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: you have all that moisture that's just sitting in your feet,

762
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: and that's coddling blisters, and now it's it's potentially ruining

763
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: your hunt that you've you know, saved up and put

764
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: in time for. And these small little things that can

765
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: derail your hunt when it comes to you know, just

766
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: like these these self care things, being able to make

767
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: sure that your feet are well taken care of. Also

768
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: to making sure that like with water purification, having a

769
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: way to sanit, you know, make sure that you're getting

770
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: clean water, because if you're dehydrated on the mountain and

771
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: then you you get something like giardia where you're having

772
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: you know, massive diarrhea on the side of the mountain

773
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 2: is never a never a good thing. So I make

774
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: sure too that I that I keep some you know,

775
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: over the counter medication with me, whether that's you know,

776
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: in addition to ti long on ibuprofen, having things like

777
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: a modium, you know, things like that can really be

778
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: a lifesaver.

779
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that whole water filteration thing. It's funny. I've hundled

780
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: with a lot of guys that are like, oh, yeah, well,

781
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's a spring, it's coming right out of

782
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: the side of the mountain. I mean, I mean, the

783
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: water's fine, and I won't drink it. I will not

784
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: drink it, and I'm probably you know, over you know,

785
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: over careful with it. But back to your point, if

786
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: you get giardia, you know, and it may not hit

787
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: you for a couple of days. But man, I just

788
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: don't want to be taken out of the hunt. You know,

789
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: I live all year for this. I'm usually invested quite

790
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: a bit of time and effort and money into these trips.

791
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: You know, got a camera, guy, I can't afford to

792
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: be taken out of the game by Giardia. But right,

793
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: just filter my water. That's why I have an air

794
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: That's why I or not air filter, water filter. That's

795
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: why I have water filters. That's why you know I

796
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: have this equipment. I'm just going to use it. You know,

797
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: if you collect this stuff over time, save your money,

798
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, don't instead of blowing money on vices like

799
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, zen pouches and chewing tobacco and and Dutch brothers,

800
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, twice a day, you know, you can take

801
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: some of that negative money you spend on vices and

802
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: put it into your hunting gear and have good stuff tote.

803
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: That way you don't get taken out of the game.

804
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, And it's too it's a it's a peace

805
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 2: of mind for you know, it's a peace of mind

806
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: for your family too, just because it's like, you know,

807
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: that's you want to make sure that it's like, hey,

808
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: I've done everything in my power not only to be

809
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: successful on the hunt, but then you know, to be

810
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: able to to like return home and you know, like

811
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: even then just having a that's part of the planning

812
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: process too, where it's like, hey, here's where I'm going

813
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: to be. Here's a you know, like I always tell

814
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: folks if they if they take medication daily, having a

815
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: pre made list of medications with them just so then

816
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: that way, if they have to go to they hospital,

817
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: sometimes at hospital might not have records that you know,

818
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: readily available to you know, to them, so that way

819
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: they at least know offhand, like exactly what they have.

820
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, that's good, all right. Scenario time. We

821
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: talked a little bit earlier about those knives with the

822
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: replaceable blades that have long knives that everybody but he

823
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: tries to cut their fingers off with. You can always

824
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: tell when it's hunting season on on Facebook because people

825
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: start start posting the pictures of their fingers about cutoff. Yeah,

826
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: I've cut myself a little bit. I'm super careful with

827
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: those things, but almost all my buddies have have got

828
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: really bad cuts with them things. So here's a scenario.

829
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: You're breaking down your elk. You know, you're you're you

830
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: took some chances because you're you know, you're cutting, you're

831
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: you're trying to skin out that leg, you know, and

832
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: instead of cutting towards your buddy, you cut towards your body,

833
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: which is a huge non I even tell it to

834
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: myself when I'm by myself, cut towards your buddy, not

835
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: your body, because I'll catch myself trying to do that.

836
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: You know.

837
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: It's like you get you get in the zone and

838
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're moving your knife and it just

839
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: makes sense to cut this way, and you're just like,

840
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: I'll just like stop stop cutting that direction. Cut away

841
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: from myself. Okay, it's a little more awkward, a little

842
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: more uncomfortable, but if I slip, I'm not gonna like

843
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: bury this knife in my groin and have a problem.

844
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: So let's say I didn't do that. I bury that

845
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: that knife in my groin and I'm like, oh, first

846
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: instinct pull it out, But do you one? Okay, you

847
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: have choices. Number one, do we remove it? Number two?

848
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: Leave it in. Leave it in until you do something else,

849
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: like break down. What happens if I do that or

850
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: my buddy does that? What? What's the first thing you

851
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: need to do?

852
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? So the first thing, honestly, with any sort of

853
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: entailed object you have, whether it's a whether it's a

854
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: weapon or anything, is you want to try to leave

855
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: it in place. You don't want to try to move it.

856
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: You know, this is a big thing when it comes

857
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: to with archery season. We see a lot of you know,

858
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 2: there's a lot you know, arrows that get shot, and

859
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: you know sometimes we'll see like ricochets or puncture wounds.

860
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: You want to leave that in because the problem is

861
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 2: and sometimes when you pull out foreign objects like that,

862
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: it could be against an artery or basically stopping a

863
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: flow of blood. And now that you've removed that, now

864
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: you have this uncontrolled bleed. So you've made a you

865
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: can potentially make a bad situation worse. So if it

866
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: was that scenario where it's in the groin and there's

867
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: you know, there's going to be some bleeding. I would

868
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: immediately look at like exposed that area, meaning like trying

869
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: to get the you know, get the pants out of

870
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: the way so I can see the skin, and then

871
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: I would be putting it. You know, if there's a

872
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: lot of bleeding where I would see like there's like

873
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: it's almost like with each furtbeat you can see the

874
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: blood coming out. My first instinct would be to put

875
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: a tournique on it and make sure that that tourniquet

876
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: is tight. Now let's say with that same scenario, you

877
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of bleeding, it's just in the skin.

878
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: It's you know, there's some bleeding, but it doesn't look

879
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: to be bleeding. I would have a tourniquit like I

880
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: would have it basically on my leg, but not tight,

881
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: but it would be there, and I would try to

882
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: stabilize it best I could, meaning that if there's like

883
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: if I had an arrow, I would try to cut

884
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: it down as best I could. If it's a it's

885
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: I it's the havel on or one of those removable blades.

886
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: If there's a way to take the handle off and

887
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: leave the blade, you know somewhat in there, because you

888
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: don't want to move it around too much because as

889
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: you move there's a potential that it could be cutting

890
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: that more and more, so you want to try to

891
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: at that point, I would not want to be moving

892
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: that casualty around because anytime you move it, there's a

893
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: chance that you know, you have to, there's a chance

894
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: that whatever that that that knife is, that knife blade

895
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: is still in there potentially cutting up healthy, healthy tissue.

896
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: But normally we don't want to pull anything out. It's

897
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 2: it's in there until we can get to a higher

898
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 2: level of care.

899
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just I'm just picturing that. I'm just

900
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: picturing this right now. So you're basically you're sitting there

901
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: until help comes. You stabilize it, and you're sitting there

902
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: till help comes. Let's say you're six miles deep and

903
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: on some nasty steep terrain, and do you want to

904
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: wait for training medical professionals to get there before you

905
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: pull that thing out. Let's say you're like, I'm pretty

906
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: sure this this have long not in an artery, it's

907
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: the plays three inches long. I'm gonna pull it out.

908
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: Like like, at what point do you're like, Okay, you

909
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: have all your tourniquet in place, You're ready to go,

910
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: do you just like I'm gonna pull this thing out

911
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: and hope for the best.

912
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, you know, it kind of it comes to

913
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: it where it's just like you're trying to choose between

914
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: the least wrong answer, because it's there are those situations

915
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: where there's those situations where it's like, hey, there's weather

916
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: coming in, and it's like, okay, I could you know,

917
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: let's say those horrible weather and you know, we haven't

918
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: talked about it, but you know, hypothermia kills more people

919
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 2: in outdoors and probably anything else out there, you know, exposure,

920
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: regardless of whether it's you know, in you know, New

921
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: Mexico or Alaska. And it's like, Okay, if i stay here,

922
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: there's a very good chance that I'm going to die

923
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: of hypothermia versus like if I need to make it

924
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: down the mountain. And just like you alluded to having

925
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 2: that tournique on, you know, most of the time, particularly

926
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: with a lot of these these knives that have these

927
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: surgical blades, it's the wound channel is so small and thin.

928
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: It's very lethal for sure. You know, it can it

929
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: can slice some meat and vital tissue. But if it's

930
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, if if their effect is is where you

931
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: you're in a situation where you have to pull it out,

932
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: having some direct pressure over that wound is going to

933
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: be essential, like whether that's with gauze, a pre made bandage.

934
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of having these because even if

935
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: you have a tourniquet on, you know, not all bleeding

936
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: need a tourniquet, right, you know, And and really what

937
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: we try to teach folks is, you know, this is

938
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: the type of life threatening bleed you meaning it's it's pulsatile,

939
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: meaning it's this bright red blood. Because any wound, like

940
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: if you're not a trade medical person, any wound like

941
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: even you touched on head wounds, you know, head and

942
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: face wounds, they bleed a lot. It's a high vascular area,

943
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: so they can look horrible. You know, hand wounds too.

944
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: There's a lot of asculature in your hand, so you

945
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: can look at it and be like, man, this is

946
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: a lot of bleeding here in my hand, and I

947
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: hit an artery and you have a lot of smaller

948
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, arteries here in your hand, and you can

949
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 2: bleed a lot from there. But a lot of folks

950
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: will jump right to a tourniquet right away, and it's like, well,

951
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 2: maybe sometimes you can put some like that would be

952
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 2: a great case to maybe putting some gaus in and

953
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: just holding it there. And if now you have bleeding

954
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: that's soaking through the gauze, Okay, maybe this might be

955
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: a little bit more severe where I might want to

956
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: look at potentially putting a tourniquet on. But for that

957
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: scenario that you're describing where we got to pull that

958
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: that you know, that blade out because it's like I

959
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: have to get down. If we don't get out that

960
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: this is weather's coming in and I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

961
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: I got to make it down the mountain, I would

962
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: have a you know, we touched on the tourniquet, but

963
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: having a bandage, particularly one that there's a lot of

964
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: bandages out there that an absorbent pad that you can

965
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: actually wrap around to around the pad, so it's like

966
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 2: it's almost like they call them, like, you know, emergency

967
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: trauma dressings. So it's a it's a uh basically like

968
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: a big band aid that's got some force behind it,

969
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: so you can actually almost create like a pressure, uh

970
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 2: of what we would call a pressure bandage. And what's

971
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 2: nice about pressure bandages are is that you can still

972
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: uh you can still have good effect on major bleeding

973
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 2: without having to necessarily throw a tournique on and then

974
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: having that that problem is because once you have a

975
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: tourniquet on, now you're up against the clock if you

976
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: don't want to prevent you know, long term tissue loss

977
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: or you know, because once you know, tourniquits, once they

978
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: get beyond four to six hours, that's really where we

979
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 2: start to get concerned about, you know, the the vascular

980
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: status of that limb, you know, you know, basically below

981
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 2: the level of where you put that tourniquet on. So

982
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: in that case, going back to that scenario, I would

983
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 2: have a bandage on there, and you know, as you walk,

984
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna be pumping blood down to that extraorinity.

985
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: So I would be looking at that area to see like, okay,

986
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 2: is there You're probably gonna bleed through. But if there's

987
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: a lot of copious amounts of bleeding, uh, you know,

988
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: a lot a large area of blood, I'm probably going

989
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 2: to have to reassess that dressing several times before I

990
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 2: make it down me the mountain because Again, if if

991
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: anybody's had a tournique on, you put that tourniquet on,

992
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: You're not going to be able to walk down the

993
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: mountain effectively with that. That's just not gonna you know,

994
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: you're you're not having any sort of blood flow. That

995
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: limb is no longer going to be functioning for you.

996
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if anybody's like, you know, when your legs

997
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: asleep like that, multiply that I can and go out

998
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: and run, it's just not going to happen.

999
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, Now question turniicut over the pants or

1000
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: remove the pant leg or remove the pants.

1001
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 2: Oh, you can put a tournique over the the overclothing. Ideally,

1002
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 2: the tourniquet is going to be most effective when it's

1003
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: directly on the skin, so that's you know, that's obviously

1004
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: what we like. But you can put a tourniquet on

1005
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: over the over over like I you know, when I

1006
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: say overclothes, you know, any sort of like your traditional

1007
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: hunting pants, A tourniquet will be effective over the top

1008
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: of that. But ideally we'd like to try to get

1009
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: that on the skin. Now, you can use a tourniquet.

1010
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: Ideally we like to get that tourniquet at least two

1011
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: to three inches above the wound. So let's say, you know,

1012
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: when I was first taught in the military, we always

1013
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: put like a tourniquet on. It was a high and tight,

1014
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: so we try to get it as high up on

1015
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: the extremity as possible. And then you know, over time,

1016
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 2: with more data that came out, you know, it's like, well,

1017
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: we don't need to put a tournique up that high initially.

1018
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: You know, once we get once we get the objective secure,

1019
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: and there's you know, no longer any you know, active

1020
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: gun fire going on. You know that It's funny the

1021
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: people that my one of my UH instructors is like, hey,

1022
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: the you know, the best piece of equipment medical equipment

1023
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: you can bring to the next war is is a

1024
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: gun and more firepower. I'm like, it actually makes a

1025
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: lot of sense. But you know, being able to put

1026
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: that tournique on, you know, you can put a tourniquet

1027
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: below the level of the nee for a for a

1028
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: lower extremity injury. UH. It used to be that, hey,

1029
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: we you don't want to put a tourniquet below a joint,

1030
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: and it's like, Noah, there's literature out there that shows

1031
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: that it's actually very effective and uh, you know, can

1032
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: also be less painful having it, you know, on having

1033
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: a tournique up high on your arm or you know

1034
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: low or high on your thigh. You know, having it

1035
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 2: just two to three inches above the wound can be

1036
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: very effective. But you can to answer your question, you

1037
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 2: can definitely put it over clothing, but ideally you want

1038
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: that tourniquet on the skin. One of the biggest issues

1039
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: I see with tourniquet use is when you tighten that

1040
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: tourniquet up, you want to make sure that you pull

1041
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: all the slack out of that tourniquet. If you put

1042
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: it on just somewhat loose and you try to twist it,

1043
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: what ends up happening is that you can cause the tourniquet,

1044
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: the material, and the tourniquet to twist and you're not

1045
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: getting effective Like basically you're not getting an effective feel

1046
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: with that tourniquet.

1047
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, So from the

1048
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: time from the initial wound to the time you need

1049
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 1: like it becomes very apparent like obviously that man, that's

1050
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: a bad wound and it's bright blood and it's hulsating

1051
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: or spraying or whatever. How long until we get that

1052
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: tourniquet on before you're a goner? How many How long

1053
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: do you have before you bleed out?

1054
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: Usually it's it more than likely within about two minutes,

1055
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, there's usually between I mean usually between

1056
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: two minutes is what it'll take too, from the initial

1057
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: from the initial injury to when you can completely exanguinate

1058
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: out as about two minutes.

1059
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, so and you want to keep as much

1060
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: blood in there as you can, so absolutely every second matters,

1061
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely.

1062
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Speaker 2: You know, the average adult has about maybe anywhere from

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01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: six to seven liters of blood in their body at

1064
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: at you know, and you can lose all of it

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01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: very very quickly, very quickly.

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01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, got that pump pushing it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And if you think about it from a

1068
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 2: standpoint of you know, if you're if you've already been

1069
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: exerting yourself, you're you know, you're dehydrated as it is,

1070
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: your heart rates are elevated, and then you have that

1071
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 2: initial injury, well that heart rate starts to spike, and

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Speaker 2: you know, then it's you're up against the clock at

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Speaker 2: that point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So shifting gears a little bit. We're hunting with

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01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: a buddy and he ain't looking so good. His face

1076
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: gets really red. You can start seeing some blood vessels

1077
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: on his forehead and he's like, man, I got heartburn

1078
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: real bad. I just I don't feel good. If I burp,

1079
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: it kind of makes it feel better, but I just don't.

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling so good. And it's it's warm. But

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01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,479
Speaker 1: it's not like he shouldn't be having a heat stroke, right, Yeah,

1082
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: maybe it may be a heart attack, like what like

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01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: in your five six miles from the truck, what are

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01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: we going to do?

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Speaker 2: Right exactly? There's you know, it's funny you bring that up,

1086
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: because you know, I thought you were just describing my

1087
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: last my last back country hunt. There anytime that I

1088
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: go in the back country.

1089
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Speaker 1: I could almost look like that too.

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01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, man, I told you that in confidence,

1091
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: but but no, So you know, it's it's funny you

1092
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: bring that up, though, because if you look at most

1093
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: of your back like if for medical training for guides,

1094
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: like for like outfitters for instance, you know they require

1095
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: them to be you know, first Aid certified and to

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01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: have a CPR certification, And it's like, well, if somebody

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01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 2: has a heart attack in the back country and there's

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Speaker 2: really not much you're going to be able to do

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01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: for that person because you you might be able to

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01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: do CPR initially, but anybody that's done high quality CPR

1101
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: can attest. Like we switch out in the hospitals, you know,

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01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 2: every two minutes for people that are pushing on pushing

1103
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: on somebody's chest, because it is a you're expending all

1104
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: large amount of If you're not dripping and sweat after

1105
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: you done your first round of CPR, you know, you're

1106
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 2: probably not. You're probably not. I'm sure you know, Dan

1107
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: probably doesn't sweat if he has to do you know, cprs.

1108
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 2: But but yeah, for most of us, for most of us,

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01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: uh alter, yeah, we we probably are. You know, we

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01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: probably would would sweat quite a bit. So I think

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01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: that for for most folks, you know, unfortunately, and we

1112
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: see this quite a bit, that if they have a

1113
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: heart condition, you know, it's important to know that going in.

1114
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: So then if that way, if they have some medication, hey,

1115
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: I take medication for chest pain, It's like I would

1116
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: want to know that because if and if they have

1117
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: a heart history, that's something too, like talking with your

1118
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: doctor prior to going uh, prior to going on a hunt. Hey,

1119
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: is this something that I should be able to you

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01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: based on my you know, physical fitness level, because you're

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01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: not going to be able to do we just don't

1122
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: have the medication. And unless you're carrying a defibrillator on

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01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: your back, sometimes you know that's not going to be

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01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 2: help You know sometimes that even that's not helpful in

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01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: the back country. So, you know, doing CPR is one

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01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: of those things that you might be able to do

1127
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: it for a couple of rounds, but sooner or later

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01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: you're going to tire out and at some point you're

1129
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: either going to have to either have some you know,

1130
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: you yourself are going to have to go for help,

1131
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: or somebody's gonna have because you're just going to run

1132
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: out of You're going to run out of breath yourself.

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01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I you know, I'm I turned fifty one tomorrow,

1134
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: so I'm not no spring chicken anymore. And you know,

1135
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: once you hit fifty, you really start wondering about, you know,

1136
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: your ability to hike in the mountains and stuff. I

1137
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: can hike pretty good for the most part, maybe not.

1138
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: I I'm no ferrari. I'm more of a bulldozer, right,

1139
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: I can I'm up those mountains, but it's slow, you know, deliberate,

1140
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: it's not I'm not going to race anybody up the mountain. Yeah,

1141
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: Steve Ranella, that guy could probably you know, crush me.

1142
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: But but I have a good friend who's quite a

1143
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: bit younger than me. I out weigh him by a lot.

1144
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: He looked very fit, he is fit, he's you know,

1145
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: a good hunter. But he had a heart attack here

1146
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: a few months ago, and that made me. That made

1147
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: me really think, you know, man, what am I next? Right?

1148
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we all try to eat as healthy as

1149
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: you can, but then you got your vices and you're

1150
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: like some cheesecake or I'll have this or whatever. Well

1151
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: I went in and got a scan, a chess scan

1152
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: where they do a calcium scan, because I'm like, you know,

1153
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to find out

1154
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: on the mountain that I got a problem. I want

1155
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: to try to get checked out before I ever go.

1156
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: So so I've been going to the doctor a lot,

1157
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: getting all these scans and checks, and like, you know,

1158
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: you turn fifty, you know you should probably get the

1159
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: old probably get a tune up if you need one.

1160
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: So I would aim absolutely had this chest scan and

1161
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: came back good. It's it's clear. They're like use zero blockages.

1162
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: Looks really good. So I was super happy about that,

1163
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: celebrated at Krispy Kreme, had some donuts. Not just kidding, perfect, Yeah, exactly,

1164
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: that's the best way to do it.

1165
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 2: But Dirk, you bring up a great point. You know,

1166
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 2: these preventative measures that we do, you know, with the

1167
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 2: annual like the what you're describing the coordinary calcium seat

1168
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: teeth scan. You know, it's a great cardiovascular screening tool,

1169
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: you know, particularly in individuals where it's like, hey, there,

1170
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: you know, there could be there's a chance of you know,

1171
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: you know, increased risk for heart related events, and it's

1172
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: it's a great diagnostic test that can you know, really

1173
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: help you and your doctor determine whether or not like, hey,

1174
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 2: this is you know, I really need to either you know,

1175
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 2: reduce my like you know, like adjust my lifestyle modifications

1176
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 2: because I'm at if you have a high a high

1177
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: calcium score, that means that hey, there's there's a lot

1178
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 2: of afrosclerosis or block or you know, blockages in some

1179
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: of the major vessels that that help bring blood to

1180
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: your heart. So when your heart is working over time

1181
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 2: such as like walking up a mountain. You know, you

1182
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: don't want to find out that you've now had a

1183
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: what we would call a positive stress test where you

1184
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: know you're having symptoms of a heart attack because now

1185
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: your your heart is no longer able to pump blood

1186
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: to meet the bodies uh like oxygen demands. So I

1187
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 2: think that's great. I think you know, more people should

1188
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: should do those preventative type testing and and even just

1189
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 2: having your annual you know, visits with your with your

1190
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: doctor to make sure like hey, if you know blood

1191
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 2: pressure is controlled and and that your uh, you know,

1192
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 2: your cholesterol level, anything that we can do to to

1193
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 2: you know, reduce those you know, those cardiovascular risk factors

1194
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: that are going to keep you one hunting longer, doing

1195
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 2: what you love, and two when you're out there, being

1196
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: able to be the most effective and feeling great. You know,

1197
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 2: if you're if you're uncontrolled blood pressure, think about it

1198
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 2: as if you're if you're trying to please, you know,

1199
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 2: water out a very small hole. You know it's gonna

1200
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 2: take much more force. You're gonna be more susceptible to

1201
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: high altitude injury. The altitude is gonna affect you a

1202
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: lot more. You're gonna be more at risk for dehydration,

1203
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: You're gonna be more out of breath, and it's just

1204
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna have, you know, potentially a lousy hunt. You

1205
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: might have missed up, missed opportunities. I mean, I'm sure

1206
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 2: in your experience you've had plenty of times it's like, man,

1207
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 2: if I didn't get to the top of that ridge

1208
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: or to that draw, you know when I did, I

1209
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 2: would have missed that opportunity at that out.

1210
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah. I think men in general, you know,

1211
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: we don't take care of ourselves. It's like, ah, it's

1212
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: almost like a badge of pride, Like I haven't been

1213
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: to the doctor in ten years, you know, and I

1214
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: all my buddies say that, and I've said it a lot,

1215
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, but I feel like at some point, like

1216
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: you get to a certain age, You're like, you know,

1217
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: that's not probably the smartest thing. So I've I've been

1218
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: taking better care of myself and get go to the doctors. Well,

1219
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: you have to get a baseline right, you have to

1220
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 1: get your right checked, and you have to do set

1221
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: a baseline for all this stuff. That way, if there

1222
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: is something that comes up and you don't and you

1223
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: start feeling like weird or bad. They can look at,

1224
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: you know, stuff from five years ago, ten years ago.

1225
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: You know, if you're in there consistently, they can say,

1226
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: oh wow, this has really changed. This is probably why

1227
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: you're feeling like crap or whatever. So you know, I

1228
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: encourage all the all the guys out there, listen, take me.

1229
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're thirty five, go in get checked,

1230
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, check yourself out, have the doctors look you over,

1231
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, build that baseline if you're if you're a lady,

1232
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: you're probably already doing all that kind of stuff because

1233
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, girls seem to take care better care of

1234
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: themselves and men do. But also encourage your partner, you know, hey,

1235
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: go get in there and get checked out, just for

1236
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:18,839
Speaker 1: a peace of mind. If anything.

1237
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, And and like you said too, it's

1238
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 2: it's you know, the time to take care of this

1239
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 2: stuff is when you know that I've seen too, is

1240
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: when people ignore you know, blood pressure when they're in

1241
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: their forties. Well, guess what, it doesn't get any better

1242
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: when you're in your fifties and sixties, and now it's

1243
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: had ten years of you know, now your heart's having

1244
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 2: to work over time for the past ten years to

1245
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,959
Speaker 2: try to meet your body's demands, and these problems compound

1246
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 2: on one another. So by the time you hit sixty

1247
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: and seventy, instead of doing you know, preventive maintenance on

1248
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 2: your vehicle, you're doing damage control. Where it's like now

1249
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 2: you're having to see, you know, having to have stands placed,

1250
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 2: and now you're having to take you know, medication that

1251
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: has you know, a higher you know, side effects to

1252
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 2: it because as the conditions worse than you know, the

1253
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: medications become higher from dosages, and the higher dosages you get,

1254
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 2: the higher chance of side effects. And now you're no

1255
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 2: longer able to do the things that you enjoyed just

1256
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 2: because that you know could have happened that you know,

1257
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: couldn't be taken care of earlier on just some good

1258
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,480
Speaker 2: you know, preventive preventive matenance checkups.

1259
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely well, man, I appreciate you coming on. I

1260
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 1: think we're just about out of time here. How do

1261
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: people find you online? Are you on social media? Much?

1262
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Speaker 2: Yeah? We are, so it's oriyan oh are io N

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Speaker 2: Medical Consulting. That's our that's our company. We're on Also

1264
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Speaker 2: we're on Instagram and We're on Facebook too, and our

1265
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Speaker 2: website is just going through some uh some development right

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Speaker 2: now and they'll be back up. But we're you can

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Speaker 2: find us at Oriyanmedical dot org. We're actually uploading some

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Speaker 2: educational content here that basically gives folks, you know how

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Speaker 2: what we do is we have different tourniquets and different

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Speaker 2: medical devices that are out there, and we show people

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Speaker 2: how to actually use them and and just so some

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Speaker 2: good how to type videos. So that'll be coming here

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Speaker 2: in the next couple of months. But yeah, we're on

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Speaker 2: We're on social media Instagram, when and Facebook.

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Speaker 1: So also, do you sell kits at all? These little

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Speaker 1: these medical kits still.

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Speaker 2: We do, Yeah, we do. They're on our They're on

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Speaker 2: our website. We do have them. We're going to have

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Speaker 2: a newer, smaller aid kit coming out here soon in

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Speaker 2: the in the very near future. We're just right now.

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Speaker 2: We're just working through some supply chain issues right now.

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Speaker 1: Sure. Sure. One thing I regretted when after my dog

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Speaker 1: got hurt on that story I told is that I

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Speaker 1: didn't have more gear at the truck. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: more bandages and gauze and stuff at the truck to

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Speaker 1: help because at that point I had some paper towels

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Speaker 1: and he bled through those pretty quick on the way

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Speaker 1: off the mountain. But not only should you have this

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Speaker 1: stuff in your pack, have it in your truck, and

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Speaker 1: it's good. I'm glad. I'm glad you kind of elaborated on,

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Speaker 1: like you know, it's it's more than just having a

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Speaker 1: couple of band aids and some baby aspirin. Because people

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Speaker 1: always tell you, hey, get have a nice first aid kit. Well,

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Speaker 1: nobody ever tells you what's in a good first aid kit,

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Speaker 1: and not a lot of people are gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: a tourniquit. So check yeah, check out, check out Jimmy

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Speaker 1: stuff Ryan, and do yourself a favorite, buy him, buy

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Speaker 1: a kit, buy a kit for you and your buddy

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Speaker 1: by two or three. I mean, you can't have too

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Speaker 1: many first daid kits around and you'll be ready for

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Speaker 1: this fall. So well, thanks man, I appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 1: And uh man, I'm sorry we haven't talked since I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it's been a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: It was great to hear from me. I know it's

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Speaker 2: been it's been super busy, and I really appreciate you

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Speaker 2: reaching out. It's always great to catch up and thanks

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Speaker 2: for giving me the opportunity to talk to talk here

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Speaker 2: to everybody. I'm a huge listener of the podcast myself,

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Speaker 2: so it's great to great to connect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, awesome. If you guys have any questions, reach

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Speaker 1: out to Jimmy directly. And and I'm sure we didn't

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Speaker 1: cover half of it. We could sit here for hours

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Speaker 1: and and go down rabbit holes about back country safeties.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks a lot for coming on, and

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Speaker 1: we'll catch everybody on the flip flop