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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode canad spoilers for the ongoing series The

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Speaker 1: latest season, season three of Star Wars Visions on Disney

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Speaker 1: Plue be warned. Hello by Day is Jesu Ceepsi and

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Speaker 1: I'm Rosie Night and welcome to Group Chat, a weekly

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Speaker 1: roundtable with our producers and special guests talk about all

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Speaker 1: the things we're excited about in TV, comics of pop cult.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, me and Jason will be talking about

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Speaker 2: Star Wars Vision season three offa episodes and should they

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Speaker 2: keep doing sequels or just make a whole spin off

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Speaker 2: series for those stories. Guys, we're going to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Then we are bringing in a very special guest, television

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Speaker 2: critic and all round movie and TV lover Alan Sepamore

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Speaker 2: joins us to talk Tim Robinson's Chair Company on HBO

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Speaker 2: and a little tease of the upcoming Apple Plus series

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Speaker 2: plur of Us. And then thank golect this it's Friday, Me,

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Speaker 2: Jason and Ian will be jumping in to tell you

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Speaker 1: Okay, Season three of the anthology Star Wars series Star

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Speaker 1: Wars Visions that pairs the iconic Star Wars IP with

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Speaker 1: is back. Although season two, as you pointed out to

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Speaker 1: In season three, we're back to the kind of past

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Speaker 1: set by season one. And let's talk about it. It's

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Speaker 1: all out now. They all came out to we're recording

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Speaker 1: and I quite enjoyed it, although and bring it out

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Speaker 1: in every year for one more, possibly one more, like

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Speaker 1: The Dual Payback. I think Visually might be my favorite one,

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Speaker 1: just because it really hearkens back to that seventies and

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Speaker 1: it would be the Dual Payback. You Goes Treasure, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you goes Treasure, No surprise.

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Speaker 2: Extremely cute, kind of like giant bed droid with a

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Speaker 2: It's the best of Star Wars. Yeah, I love that one.

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Speaker 1: So those are my two favorites. But what about you?

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Speaker 2: it's time to expand this out. But still a great

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Speaker 1: write back with our interview with Alan sepn Work. TV

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Speaker 5: It's just right.

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Speaker 2: That's really great. What other shows have you been loving

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Speaker 6: And yet it's also like the most inspiring kind of

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Speaker 1: And let me ask you this about Halt and Catch

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Speaker 6: convicted of a murder that it turns out he probably

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Speaker 6: didn't commit. He is released as a guy in his thirties,

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Speaker 6: you know, when DNA evidence turns up and he has

435
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Speaker 6: to just go back to his life and figure out

436
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Speaker 6: and it's basically like what if an alien arrived on

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Speaker 6: planet Earth? Because he just does not understand anything about

438
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Speaker 6: civilization anymore, and his family is trying to deal with that,

439
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Speaker 6: and there's some crime stuff going on in terms of

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Speaker 6: who actually may or may not have committed the murder,

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Speaker 6: but it's really just this beautiful, humanistic story.

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Speaker 5: And that is where j Smith Cameron, That's the first

443
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Speaker 5: thing I really noticed before killing in that show.

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Speaker 6: She's so Abigail Spencer. Everyone in that show is is great.

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Speaker 6: So I've I've just given you three different like your

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Speaker 6: two year are going to cry a lot and one

447
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Speaker 6: you're gonna have a whole lot of fun with. So

448
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Speaker 6: hopefully those will get you through a few slow weekends.

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Speaker 2: I love that you picked out something from sun Dance,

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Speaker 2: because I do think they've made some of the best,

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Speaker 2: like humanistic, underseen shows. I got to do a set

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Speaker 2: visit once to a show that they did called This

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Speaker 2: Close that was a deaf scene and it is so good,

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Speaker 2: so funny, and again like barely anyone's seen it. So guys,

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Speaker 2: Sun Dance, that's a great streamer. Well AMC plus right,

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Speaker 2: you can just access it on then, But.

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Speaker 6: That one's also on Pluto and on Hoopla and can

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Speaker 6: I can I name one more please? Okay, this one

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Speaker 6: is more high profile because it was on HBO and

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Speaker 6: it's from a big creator, But nonetheless, I still feel

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Speaker 6: it is not appreciated enough, especially because people watched the

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Speaker 6: first season who did watch the first season kind of

463
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Speaker 6: ran screaming. And that is The Leftovers, which is one

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Speaker 6: of my favorite shows come on all time. It's said,

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Speaker 6: in a world where the Rapture, something like the Rapture happened,

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Speaker 6: but not exactly two percent of the world's population disappears.

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Speaker 6: There is no explanation whatsoever, and it's about like what

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Speaker 6: everyone else has to do to move on from that.

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Speaker 5: It has one of the single.

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Speaker 6: Best performances ever put on screen anywhere by Carry Coon.

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Speaker 5: Oh, really heavy, and then after that it gets crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: like carry.

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Speaker 6: Coon as good as she is on the Gilded Age,

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Speaker 6: as good as she isn't white Lotus and the other things,

475
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Speaker 6: like your jaw will be on the floor watching her

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Speaker 6: in this. And it starts out really heavy, and then

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Speaker 6: it gets crazy and silly and ridiculous and beautiful, and

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Speaker 6: it's Yeah, it's one of the best things I have

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Speaker 6: ever seen them.

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Speaker 1: Agree, You're absolutely right. One more question regarding The Leftovers

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Speaker 1: and Halted catch Fire, those two best one season turnaround

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Speaker 1: from a show that was kind of like to a

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Speaker 1: show that was like, Wow, I've never seen anything like

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Speaker 1: The Leftovers go from an utterly depressing season one they

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Speaker 1: are like I can't go on to something truly transcendent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's transcendent. Great word.

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Speaker 6: The second season opens like with Cave Women. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's just I can't believe that this is happening. Those

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Speaker 6: two are way up there. I would say, also Parks

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Speaker 6: and rec I mean, that's a short first season, but

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Speaker 6: like that goes from like.

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Speaker 5: A bad office rip off to one.

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Speaker 6: Of the all time greats so yeah, though, but those

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Speaker 6: two are excellent candidates.

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Speaker 2: And what do you kind of have you heard a

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Speaker 2: lot of There's this conversation constantly going on right now.

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Speaker 2: I have a little comic shop on the weekend, so

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Speaker 2: I speak to a lot of kids. What would you

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Speaker 2: recommend to a kind of person who doesn't necessarily watch

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Speaker 2: as I've heard, they're calling it narrative based content. There

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Speaker 2: is a kind of move towards kids watching you know,

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Speaker 2: short content, other people talking about content which they love.

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Speaker 2: What is just one of the great all time accessible

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Speaker 2: TV shows that you would say to someone like, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is why TV is great, this is why it's

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Speaker 2: watching these stories.

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Speaker 6: Well, let me think, because I've had a lot of

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Speaker 6: experience with this. I've got a teenager and a young

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Speaker 6: adult at home, and I did this with both of them,

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Speaker 6: and we you know, they've seen you know, like Colombo

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Speaker 6: and Cheers and various Star treks. I'm trying to think

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Speaker 6: of like the best entry point. I think it kind

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Speaker 6: of depends on the age. But like I think a

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Speaker 6: lot of the time you maybe want to go for

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Speaker 6: something older because you're going to get some self contained

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Speaker 6: episodes and they're like, you know, my son I showed

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Speaker 6: him two star treks. I showed him the Trouble with

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Speaker 6: Tribles for Comedy, and I showed him the first one

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Speaker 6: with the Romulans, and you kind of get two different flavors,

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Speaker 6: and it was like, Okay, he was all in, but

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Speaker 6: if he wasn't, we could have moved on.

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Speaker 5: And I think that helps.

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Speaker 6: You don't necessarily want to throw somebody into something super

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Speaker 6: serialized on top of the fact that most of that

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Speaker 6: stuff made in this century is not really, you know,

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Speaker 6: kid friendly to begin with. So find something twentieth century

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Speaker 6: that still that feels modern in some way and go

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Speaker 6: from there.

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Speaker 2: Love that.

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Speaker 1: Are you worried about that? Are you were about the

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Speaker 1: the kids not reading, the kids not watching TV, the

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Speaker 1: kids not liking stories. I'm less worried about it than many.

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Speaker 1: But then I have many friends who are involved in

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Speaker 1: tech and like c metrics, and they're like, it's all

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Speaker 1: over to forget. Narrative is over, books are over TV

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Speaker 1: is I'm like, I don't truly believe that, but how

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Speaker 1: do Yeah, I don't. I mean I don't believe that.

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Speaker 6: I'm someone who both writes about television and has written books,

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Speaker 6: and so yes, if it's over. I'm in trouble, so

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Speaker 6: I'm invested in the idea that it's not. I do

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Speaker 6: feel though, like I mean, you look at something like

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Speaker 6: that suits phenomenon from a couple of years ago, Like

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Speaker 6: that's people on TikTok watching a super mid show, you know,

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Speaker 6: from like a basic cable network that was ten years old,

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Speaker 6: and getting really into it and eventually going to watch

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Speaker 6: in other places. I think it's going to be harder,

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Speaker 6: but clearly things break through, and I think that's still

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Speaker 6: going to be the case. And I think you get

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Speaker 6: something at a narrative that you're just not getting out

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Speaker 6: of TikTok and.

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Speaker 5: Reels or you know whatever.

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Speaker 6: You know, those vertical videos that I've watched that kind

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Speaker 6: of horrify me.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I also think that kids they find their

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Speaker 2: own ways too narrative, like something like Five Nights at Freddy's,

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Speaker 2: which you know, was a video game that then became

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Speaker 2: a YouTube phenomenon that then became a fan story phenomenon

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Speaker 2: that then eventually became a film that took a lot

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Speaker 2: of the stuff from there. It's a long route, but

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Speaker 2: my nephew, for example, he's loved Five Nights that Freddy

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Speaker 2: since he was four, and he was first in line

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Speaker 2: to see the movie when he was eleven. Even though

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Speaker 2: generally he's a YouTube lover somebody he likes to watch

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Speaker 2: other people explain content to him. So I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they'll find their way. It's just not necessarily a bunch

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Speaker 2: of people who are gonna sit in front of a

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Speaker 2: TV and just watch stuff and flick through the way

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Speaker 2: that we did.

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Speaker 6: No, I was gonna say, my son, who's a teenager,

570
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Speaker 6: like he's watching Dexter right now because all of his

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Speaker 6: friends are into Dexter, being like that Edward James almost season.

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Speaker 6: I'm kind of like, buddy, it's okay. I'm glad you

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Speaker 6: saw the good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't get to that final season.

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Speaker 5: Better things for you.

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Speaker 6: You know, you only get one with so many trips

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Speaker 6: around the sun, Like just what is right there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Do you know how cool you'll be as a teenager?

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Speaker 2: Jug breaking bad, my guy? Like, that's the show. But

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Speaker 2: it's funny that everyone's into dex though. That's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Alan, this has been a delight. Where could folks find

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Speaker 1: your stuff right now? Plugs plugs, plugs plug us.

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Speaker 6: Yes, all right, so right now I'm writing my own

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Speaker 6: newsletter What's Alan Watching. You can find it very simply

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Speaker 6: at What's Alan Watching dot com. I'm recapping a bunch

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Speaker 6: of shows, including At the Moment, Slow Horses, The Lowdown,

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Speaker 6: and The Chair Company. I'm going to be recapping Pluribus

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Speaker 6: every week, and again I'm not allowed to say if

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Speaker 6: I liked it, but I'm going to be writing about

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Speaker 6: every episode, so you might want to read. I'm reviewing

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Speaker 6: lots of stuff. I'm doing essays, I'm doing interviews, all

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Speaker 6: kinds of things. So you know, it's basically taking all

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Speaker 6: the stuff I was doing at Rolling Stone in some

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Speaker 6: of my other homes and doing it by myself straight

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Speaker 6: to you. You know, there's no middleman, So that's right there.

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Speaker 6: And I've and I've written books on breaking Bad, Better

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Speaker 6: call Saul, The Sopranos, the best shows of all time,

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Speaker 6: that's called TV. The book so and Terriers is in there,

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Speaker 6: by the way. That's the hundredth show out of one hundred.

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Speaker 6: So there's lots of different content from me out there.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not hard to find because there's only twelve

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Speaker 6: people in the world named Stepenwall and I'm the only

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Speaker 6: one who's writing.

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Speaker 1: So kay love Yay, thank you so much, Alan, so much.

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Speaker 3: Alan.

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Speaker 5: It's absolute pleasure, guys, thank you.

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Speaker 3: For having me.

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Speaker 1: And now it's think Galactus. It's Friday. Let's wrap up

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Speaker 1: our episode by talking about the one thing we're excited

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Speaker 1: to read, play, watch, or listen to this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Ian We're bringing them in.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to do a little Predator series rewatch this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Bad Lands is coming out next week, so I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: rewatch the mainline movies. I'm not doing a VP, but

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do Predator, Predator to pray for sure, and

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Speaker 3: then maybe maybe Predators the one with oh Man with

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Speaker 3: uh Tofa Grace. So yeah, I think I'm gonna watch

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Speaker 3: watch those this weekend and get hyped for Prey or

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Speaker 3: for bad Lands next week.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, I love that Tofa Grace reveal in that one.

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Speaker 2: That was so good. Look, I'm just saying past a

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Speaker 2: VP sign and let that maybe you'll rewatch it. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it's it's good Man, it's good. It's not as bad

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Speaker 2: as people say. Jason, what are you most excited for

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Speaker 2: this weekend?

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Speaker 1: Wow? I have to I have to turn in a

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Speaker 1: manuscript for my book on December first. Wow. Edited So

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to just making progress on that this weekend.

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Speaker 1: It's been a really process. As anyone who's ever written

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Speaker 1: anything will know, the first part of writing, which is

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Speaker 1: when you sit down and just write. The first draft

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Speaker 1: is the worst, and it's the worst and it is

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Speaker 1: so bad. It's hard sometimes to do it because it's

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Speaker 1: so terrible. But the editing process is kind of fun

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Speaker 1: because now I'm like, oh, what, you know what? That

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Speaker 1: part does suck, but like, here's good. Here, this was good.

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Speaker 1: That was pretty good. You forget what you wrote and

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh wait, this is that actually pretty good?

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Speaker 1: So I'm at the stage where I'm like, you know, revising, rewriting,

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Speaker 1: applying editors notes to stuff that I've written, and that

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Speaker 1: part has been kind of fun and I'm eager to

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Speaker 1: continue doing that. Rosie, what about you.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna follow you with that because I love that

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Speaker 2: you chose that. And also we got to say, what's

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Speaker 2: the book called, Jason, so people can pre order if

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Speaker 2: they did not bad working sad androids. It's really good, guys.

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Speaker 2: I am also going to be finishing a a draft

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Speaker 2: of my next book, which has not yet been announced,

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Speaker 2: but is in the realm of things that you guys

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Speaker 2: working on that this weekend. Well, also probably just you know,

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Speaker 2: watching some fun Halloween stuff. Oh and if you're listening

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Speaker 2: to this on Friday you're in the LA area, we

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Speaker 2: are going to be doing free trick or treating all

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Speaker 2: day save no ice in the you can come into

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Speaker 2: the inside of Craft Market at the Port of La

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Speaker 2: Crafted at the Port of La and your kids can

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Speaker 2: trickle treat from eleven am till six pm. So I

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Speaker 2: will be doing that too. So it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a fun Halloween weekend and me and Jason will both

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Speaker 2: be working working, working to finish these drafts so that

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Speaker 2: people can read them and enjoy them.

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Speaker 1: Well that's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Back

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Speaker 1: tomorrow with the biggest news of the week. Bye x

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Speaker 1: Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Young and Rosie Knight

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