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<v Speaker 1>Hmm, what's talking too much about? Come my Cody's part

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<v Speaker 1>two of my reading to my friends of the war

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<v Speaker 1>on everyone. I have armed myself additionally with a fistful

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<v Speaker 1>of plastic silverware packets. Sophie, No, I have to throw

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<v Speaker 1>the cans. She's trying to take my cans, my pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>I need all of these to throw now. Katie commented

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<v Speaker 1>during the show break that the oranges I have are

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<v Speaker 1>very soft and almost certainly bad. You're ready to burst

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<v Speaker 1>you you could touch it, lightly needed explode. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>excited to throw those at the wall. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>just give me a withering look, that's her excited look.

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<v Speaker 1>That's her excited look. Look. Well, speaking of excitement, it's

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<v Speaker 1>time for part two, Chapter two. Because this is an

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<v Speaker 1>Adeo book, which is different from a seven part podcast

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<v Speaker 1>for reasons. I'm glad that I'm finally recording an audio book.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe this will start my audiobook career, I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for narrating the Katie parts that I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of time, he thought out loud. Chapter two, An

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<v Speaker 1>American Fascist Faith. At nine fifty a m. On October eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Bowers entered the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>He carried a cult a R fifteen three glock handguns,

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<v Speaker 1>chambered in three fifty seven six body armor, and a

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<v Speaker 1>substantial amount of ammunition. Bowers proceeded to open fire during

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<v Speaker 1>a Shabbat morning service. He killed eleven of the seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five people worshiping at the synagogue that morning, and the

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<v Speaker 1>hours and days that followed, journalists and researchers in the

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<v Speaker 1>countering violent extremism community began to dig into Mr. Bowers's

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<v Speaker 1>social media presence and Internet footprint. If you read or

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<v Speaker 1>listen to any coverage about this, it probably focused on

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<v Speaker 1>his use of the social media website gab, which is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially Twitter for Nazis. Gab earned a lot of attention

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<v Speaker 1>because it's where Bowers chose to announce his attack and

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<v Speaker 1>his belief that a Jewish conspiracy was responsible. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a teen girl magazine. It is. Yeah, yeah, it should

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<v Speaker 1>be in a sane world. Uh so, Yeah. Gab earned

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<v Speaker 1>most of the attention, Like the media coverage in the

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<v Speaker 1>wake of that attack. Gained attention for that attack mainly

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<v Speaker 1>because it was seen as like the place that radicalized

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<v Speaker 1>him um and it was, of course the place where

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<v Speaker 1>he announced the start of his attack. But in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to announcing the start of his attack on gab Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Bowers said other things on the site stranger things. In

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<v Speaker 1>various posts, he claimed that people of Anglo European descent

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<v Speaker 1>were the chosen people, with Jews as their ancient enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>He warned his fellow racists of a coming false flag

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<v Speaker 1>attack that would be quote one of the final desperate

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<v Speaker 1>attempts by the Jewish international oligarchy to maintain power in

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<v Speaker 1>the face of collapsing public trust in the media, which

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<v Speaker 1>he believed they controlled. On the profile page for his account,

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<v Speaker 1>Bowers included a quote Jews are the children of Satan.

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<v Speaker 1>A little more than two weeks before his rampage, he

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<v Speaker 1>reposted to link to the Wikipedia page for Christian identity.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard of Christian identity? Yeah? Exactly, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're getting into today. Uh So, he reposted a

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<v Speaker 1>link to the Wikipedia page for Christian identity and wrote

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<v Speaker 1>if the Jews hate it, then it must be truth. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't heard much about Christian identity, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither had I before Bowers went on his rampage. Um

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<v Speaker 1>A friend of mine, actually a woman named Sarah, who's

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<v Speaker 1>a CV researcher, is the person who like first said

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<v Speaker 1>that you should start looking into this ship, and as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as I did, I found that it connected to

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<v Speaker 1>basically everything that's ever happened in American fascism after World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two and kind of before it. Uh now. Christian

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<v Speaker 1>identity theology is not widely known in modern America, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, the vast majority of people who have been

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<v Speaker 1>influenced by it have probably never actually heard the term.

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<v Speaker 1>Bowers is sort of a rare figure in that he

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<v Speaker 1>was aware of it. Um it's been around for so

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<v Speaker 1>long and embedded itself so deeply in the consciousness of

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<v Speaker 1>the far right that it's woven itself into the DNA

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<v Speaker 1>of American facis M. Christian identity, however, did not begin

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<v Speaker 1>in America. The origin of this philosophy traces back to Britain,

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<v Speaker 1>in when a crazy person and retired navy man named

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Brothers started having visions. Rather than writing these visions

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<v Speaker 1>off as the result of bad can sardines or or

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<v Speaker 1>got poisoned bread, he decided that these visions were God

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<v Speaker 1>telling him that he had to lead the Jews back

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<v Speaker 1>to Palestide. Now. He also decided that he was a

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<v Speaker 1>descendant of the biblical King David, for reasons which are

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<v Speaker 1>slightly less clear. Revelation followed revelation, as they often do

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<v Speaker 1>for people with this sort of thing going on in

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<v Speaker 1>their brain, and by the time Richard Brothers was done,

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<v Speaker 1>he had concluded that the majority of Jewish people were

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<v Speaker 1>actually hidden in Britain. This hidden Israel, as he called it,

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<v Speaker 1>became one of the central tenets of British Israelism. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the Jews are secretly British. Yeah, that's British

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<v Speaker 1>Israelism in a nutshell. Now, Brothers was eventually declared insane

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<v Speaker 1>by the state, which is probably fair. He was stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in an institution, which is probably unfair, from sevent to

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen o six. But in the four years before he

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<v Speaker 1>got locked up, he earned himself some followers, and although

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<v Speaker 1>his flock didn't stick together until he got out of

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<v Speaker 1>the asylum, some of his ideas persisted for years amongst

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<v Speaker 1>the fringes of British society. In eighteen forty, a writer

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<v Speaker 1>named John Wilson wrote Lectures on Our Israelitish Origin and

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<v Speaker 1>began lecturing across England and Ireland about the theory that

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<v Speaker 1>the real Jews were basically everyone but actual Jewish people.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the book Religion and the Right by Michael

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<v Speaker 1>barkun quote, the lectures depended less on the interpretation of

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<v Speaker 1>Biblical prophecy than on Wilson's attempt to demonstrate empirically that

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<v Speaker 1>the Lost Tribes had in fact migrated from the Near

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<v Speaker 1>East to Europe. Like many writers after him, one of

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<v Speaker 1>his favorite techniques was to look for words in different

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<v Speaker 1>languages that sounded the same, assuming, usually erroneously, that if

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<v Speaker 1>the words sounds were similar in the languages and their

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<v Speaker 1>speakers had to be connected this stuff. Yeah, yeah, since

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<v Speaker 1>similar sounds often crop up in otherwise unrelated languages, they

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<v Speaker 1>allowed Wilson claim and to believe that he had proved

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<v Speaker 1>that quote, many of our most common English words and

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<v Speaker 1>names of familiar objects are almost pure Hebrew. Yeah. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things when you when you read like

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<v Speaker 1>early arguments as to why the Bible shouldn't be printed,

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<v Speaker 1>like back when like they wouldn't give out copies of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible to people, like only the priest would have

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<v Speaker 1>a copy of the Bible. The Internet makes me have

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more respect for those arguments. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, maybe just letting everyone read everything is a

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<v Speaker 1>bad Maybe maybe human beings naturally look for patterns and

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<v Speaker 1>not all those patterns actually exists. Are irrelevant. I took

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<v Speaker 1>a sip of tea and started laughing, though, And Sophie,

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<v Speaker 1>can I have one of my Canada drives? I promise

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<v Speaker 1>I won't throw it. I love professionalism. That's the best

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<v Speaker 1>thing about podcasts is the professionals. And this one specifically

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<v Speaker 1>is the most professional. This one specifically is the most professional.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a mark of my professionalism, I'm gonna throw

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<v Speaker 1>the sack of clement Clementine's everywhere ads We're back, We're back.

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<v Speaker 1>There's oranges all over the floor, h Cody or any

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<v Speaker 1>of them oozing. No, that's a shame, that's unfortunate. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna stomp on. Well, let's not remove them in the

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<v Speaker 1>hopes that they get forgotten and begin to rot and

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<v Speaker 1>dan All finds them. That's the dream, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>dream that could be a reality. Just leave it for

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<v Speaker 1>a month and then you come back and there'll be

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of flying at like what happened at our

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<v Speaker 1>office last night. I don't know if y'all remember but

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<v Speaker 1>months ago when we did the Rockwell episodes, I tossed

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<v Speaker 1>the coffee mate up on the ceiling of the poison rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>Still there are you guys looking forward to making some

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<v Speaker 1>coffee with that next year. So yeah, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a laxing, one pump, one shit cottage cheese. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about British Israelism, the normal same concept of

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<v Speaker 1>British realism. Yes, the idea that the British people are

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews and the Jews are not the Jews all

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. Well, at this point the Jews are still

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews, but also British people are secret Jews. That's

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<v Speaker 1>British is Realism in a enough shehell. So British Israelism

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<v Speaker 1>continued to evolve over the course of the eighteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>Fella named he and added the assertion that Germans were

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<v Speaker 1>really Assyrians because apparently those people had gotten lost to

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<v Speaker 1>and wound up in Germany somehow. Hein claimed that the

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<v Speaker 1>United States was also full of Israelites. Now, at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>actual Jewish people, like real Jewish folks, were not seen

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<v Speaker 1>as bad guys. They were considered part of a greater

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<v Speaker 1>community called all Israel, which was made up of the

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<v Speaker 1>House of Israel, which was Europe, and the House of Judah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is actual Jewish people. Now, there was no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>for any of this at any point in time. This

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<v Speaker 1>was this was and I'm not using this was slow.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all just the result of a guy's mental

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<v Speaker 1>illness like that. That's what was going on, is this

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<v Speaker 1>was a sick man who had a dream about leading

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<v Speaker 1>the juice back to Palestine and read too much into that. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's where this starts. Now, A fellow named Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>Wilde was the very first American British Israelite, or if

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't the first, he's the first guy who tried

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<v Speaker 1>to popularize it here in the first one we have

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<v Speaker 1>any records of. Wild was a pastor at the Union

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<v Speaker 1>Congregational Church in Brooklyn. At this point, the theory or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you would call it, was fundamentally pretty harmless. But

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<v Speaker 1>as it drifted through the United States from the frigid

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<v Speaker 1>East to the also frigid Northwest, something funny happened. British

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<v Speaker 1>Israelism turned racist as fuck. That's weird, weird, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>weird weird that would happen surprising, Yes, surprising indeed now

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<v Speaker 1>The man most responsible for this turn was an Oregonian

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<v Speaker 1>named Reuben eight Sawyer. In the late nineteen teens, he

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<v Speaker 1>started writing for a monthly magazine called The Watchman of Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>which was dedicated to the idea that quote, the English

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<v Speaker 1>speaking peoples of today are the lineal descendants of the

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<v Speaker 1>lost ten tribes of Israel and must fulfill in these

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<v Speaker 1>latter days the responsibilities decreed for them through the patriarchs

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<v Speaker 1>and the prophets. So Reuben was the pastor of the

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<v Speaker 1>East Side Christian Church in Portland, Oregon, and over the

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<v Speaker 1>years he built up a sizeable British israel group in

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<v Speaker 1>the city of Roses. In fact, he was so successful

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<v Speaker 1>at this that he left his job as a pastor

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenty one to lecture and write about British

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<v Speaker 1>Israelism full time, well not quite full time. He did

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<v Speaker 1>have one other side gig as a member of the

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon Ku Klux Klass. There we go, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I love talking about the nineteen Clans, that one beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>wacky clan before I got back to being terrorists, back

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<v Speaker 1>when they were still hanging out at the cool Coast

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<v Speaker 1>hilarious losers dangerous. Yeah, not the mass murderers, um, although

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<v Speaker 1>they still killed a lot of people. We probably shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>laugh at them as often as we do. But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the Cool Coast Camp and the christ Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the pitch meeting for the Cool Coast Camp. I

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<v Speaker 1>can now that you mentioned, I think someone mentioned, someone suggested,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone else like, that's a great idea, idea we

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't so. Reuben was big into the clan for several years,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact he helped sell his fellow Portlanders on it,

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<v Speaker 1>addressing six thousand of them on December two the municipal auditorium.

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<v Speaker 1>He told them the KKK saw it quote a cleansed

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<v Speaker 1>and purified Americanism, where law abiding citizens will be respected

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<v Speaker 1>and their rights defended, irrespective of race, religion, or color.

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<v Speaker 1>So long us they make an honest effort to be

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<v Speaker 1>Americans and Americans only, So that's nice, regardless of race

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<v Speaker 1>or color. Yeah, and that at this point this wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>totally bullshit. The twenties clan was more of a pyramid

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<v Speaker 1>scheme than a terrorist organization. It was racist, but not

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<v Speaker 1>more racist than mainstream American society. When it came to

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<v Speaker 1>skin color. They were, however, more racist than mainstream Americans

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<v Speaker 1>about certain things. They hated the Catholic, the foreign born Asians,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course Jews. This presented an issue. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>we were great on a curve in the twenties. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so suggesting that like, when you create like a big group,

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<v Speaker 1>inevitably you'll have a bunch of a bunch of our

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<v Speaker 1>groups an increasing number of outs. Interesting now, Uh. The

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<v Speaker 1>effect that KKK hated the Jews presented an issue for

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<v Speaker 1>Reuben Sawyer because British Israelism loved the Jews, at least

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<v Speaker 1>it traditionally did, right, Like that was part of the

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<v Speaker 1>whole idea, was this kind of like veneer ration of

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<v Speaker 1>Judaism that like all these British people wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>Jews as well. Um. So Reubens started out as like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of being you know, on the side of Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>people and like liking them, but over time and exposure

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<v Speaker 1>to other anti Semites and the KKK, Reuben radicalized. In

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<v Speaker 1>his first speech about the clan, he brought up the

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish question, but made a point of noting that some

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<v Speaker 1>Jews were of ancient and honorable faith, while only a

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<v Speaker 1>few were objectionable according to the book Religion and the

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<v Speaker 1>Right Quote. By ninety two, however, this inu window had

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<v Speaker 1>been replaced by full blown anti Semitism that was as

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<v Speaker 1>crude as it was open. Quote. Jews are either Bolshevists

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<v Speaker 1>undermining our government, or are shylocks and financeer commerce who

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<v Speaker 1>gained commanded control of Christians as borrowers or employees. It

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<v Speaker 1>is repugnant to a true American to be bossed by

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<v Speaker 1>a sheeny. And in some parts of America the Kikes

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<v Speaker 1>are so thick that a white man can hardly find

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<v Speaker 1>room to walk on the sidewalk. And where they are

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<v Speaker 1>so thick, it is Bolshevism. They're talking Bolshevism and revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>The transformation is so startling that one wonders at first

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<v Speaker 1>if it is the same person speaking. This is back

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<v Speaker 1>to a quote from the book. Yeah, out of my

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<v Speaker 1>head listening to that. Yeah, that is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>racial slurs for Jewish people in like like a paragraph

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<v Speaker 1>that's like all of them. Yeah, I've run out of yikes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. Uh so yeah. He started out making a

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<v Speaker 1>distinction between like good Jews and bad Jews. Uh and

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<v Speaker 1>then eventually just decided that all Jews were terrible and

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<v Speaker 1>ethic Jews. Yeah yeah, So Rubin became a major force

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<v Speaker 1>for pushing his fellow American British Israelites towards anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early and midnighteteen twenties, the Dearborn Independent, the

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper funded by Henry Ford, began pushing even more extreme

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitic ideas on the wider American public. It's editor,

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<v Speaker 1>William Cameron, was a British Israelite. Thanks to people like

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<v Speaker 1>Reuben and Cameron, the category of good Jews shrank every year,

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<v Speaker 1>and the dangers of the bad ones expanded to something

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<v Speaker 1>resembling the all encompassing anti Semitic conspiracy theory that set

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Bowers off on his rampage. From the late nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenties to the nineteen thirties, Howard Ran, a British Israelite

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<v Speaker 1>from New England, became a thought leader in the movement.

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<v Speaker 1>His goal was to build it into a political organization.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty three, he formed the Anglo Saxon Federation

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<v Speaker 1>of America, which claimed that actual Jewish people were not

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<v Speaker 1>in fact descended from Judah. By the late nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>RAN's ideas had evolved to the point where he began

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<v Speaker 1>to claim that Jewish people were literally the children of

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<v Speaker 1>the devil. If you're curious about how this went down,

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<v Speaker 1>here's an explanation from the website of a modern Christian

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<v Speaker 1>identity group. Quote. Most that call themselves Jews today are,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact the race of Lucifer through his son Kane.

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<v Speaker 1>Kane was inherently evil from the beginning because he was

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<v Speaker 1>of Lucifer's seed. Eve was beguiled by Lucifer and did,

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<v Speaker 1>in the carnal sense, lay with him and begot Kane.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a pair on the ground, not an apple

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<v Speaker 1>on the tree. Eve was deceived by Lucifer and was

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<v Speaker 1>led to believe that she was laying down with Yahweh God.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the conspiracy theory that the devil tricked Eve and

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<v Speaker 1>to fucking him and thinking that he was God. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was really the devil. And that's where Caine comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>And Caine is the father of the Jews. Well, that

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<v Speaker 1>all makes sense. I love him history. Yeah, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>not put quotation marks around it in that context. God.

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<v Speaker 1>So Howard Rand was the very first person to use

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<v Speaker 1>the term Christian identity, and his thinking had a big

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<v Speaker 1>impact on a fella named William Dudley Pelley, who was,

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<v Speaker 1>of course the founder of the American fascist Silver Shirts movement,

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<v Speaker 1>who we also talked about on an episode of Behind

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<v Speaker 1>the Bastards, really bringing all the hits yea like tour.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's all culmination. It's all called intersectional fascism.

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<v Speaker 1>Intersectional fascism, we're coining it here. But the nineteen forties,

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<v Speaker 1>the core of the Christian identity belief system was more

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<v Speaker 1>or less formed. It includes three specific ideas. Number one,

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<v Speaker 1>Arians are descendants of the biblical tribes of Israel. Number two,

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<v Speaker 1>actual Jews are the result of the devil having sex

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<v Speaker 1>with Eve in the garden of even Eden. And number three,

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<v Speaker 1>the apocalypse is nigh and when it comes, Arians will

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<v Speaker 1>have to go toe to toe with the worldwide Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy in order to save the planet. When he walked

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<v Speaker 1>into the Tree of Life Synagogue that cold October morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Bowers saw himself as a soldier taking place in

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<v Speaker 1>this great apocalyptic battle against the Jews. Now, Heart and

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<v Speaker 1>his fellow Christian identity believers had to be careful during

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two, since their belief system was essentially just

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<v Speaker 1>Nazism without the swastika, but that didn't stop him from

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<v Speaker 1>railing against FDR's appointment of the first Jewish Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 1>Justice Felix Frankfurter. It also didn't stop him from opposing

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<v Speaker 1>the admission of Jewish refugees into the United States after

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight. Heart specific beliefs were always fringe, but they

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<v Speaker 1>bled over into the mainstream American right wing due to

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<v Speaker 1>the right subsessive fear of socialism. I like to quote

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<v Speaker 1>next from a Great Tablet magazine article the Bloody History

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<v Speaker 1>of America's Christian Identity Movement. Quote. The broader concern of

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<v Speaker 1>Heart and his allies in the respectable wing of anti Semitism,

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<v Speaker 1>liberal journalist Kasey McWilliams called them the armchair andy Semites

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<v Speaker 1>of the right, was that liberal and socialist Jews were

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately behind the hated New Deal and the corresponding transformations

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<v Speaker 1>of in American society. These armchair anti Semites believe that

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<v Speaker 1>admitting Holocaust survivors into the United States after World War

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<v Speaker 1>Two would be the first step in dismantling the Immigration

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<v Speaker 1>Act of nineteen to preserve the racial character of America.

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<v Speaker 1>American Jews, many of whom supported easing immigration restrictions broadly,

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<v Speaker 1>were the boogeyman of the nativist right, and since right

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<v Speaker 1>wing nativists also often subscribe to Judeo Bolshevik conspiracy theories,

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<v Speaker 1>opposing immigration was a way to strike a blow against

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<v Speaker 1>communism as well as Judaism and preserve the white Christian

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<v Speaker 1>character of the United States. I just hate this song.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate the song. I hate that we have to

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<v Speaker 1>play it, yeah all the time. It's the same song.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even catchy. It doesn't have a good hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not it's a bad song. It's just play it

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, a big mushpot are you trying to say?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, play encore, play it again. Let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>keep complaining about how immigration is going to destroy the

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<v Speaker 1>country like we have for two straight years, the inflation

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<v Speaker 1>of like all this like anti semitism, and then like

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<v Speaker 1>the communism and the socialism and the immigration, all these topics,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all the same. Or actually, don't pick any of

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<v Speaker 1>those lanes, don't pick any just get off, get off

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<v Speaker 1>the highway. It's yeah, pull over, go to a rest stop.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to sleep. Buring your car, burning your car,

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<v Speaker 1>and burn your car taking nap in the pathroom. So

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning, Christian identity connected more with the dark

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<v Speaker 1>and violet chunks of the far right than mainstream conservatism.

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<v Speaker 1>This started with the silver Shirts in the KKK and

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<v Speaker 1>continued into nineteen sixty four when this peculiarly American fascist

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<v Speaker 1>cult met a little guy named George Lincoln Rockwell. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we're going to talk about after this ad

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<v Speaker 1>pivot pivot. Should I throw something? No, not yet, No no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not not yet. Products we're back. I rejected the urge

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<v Speaker 1>to throw another thing, but I'm looking at I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna throw this big fistful of silver ware packets.

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<v Speaker 1>You showed your strength. Thank you in that moment. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Character counts the best. Yeah, these these seem safe.

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<v Speaker 1>They're projectiles, but they're covered in plastics. At the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of mess they're going to make, because that's really going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a lot for Daniel lidial with. So if

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<v Speaker 1>he says they have a cleaning staff, now, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want a cleaning staff to have to deal with it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>just stantal well, the plastic, the plastic forks and knives

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<v Speaker 1>will be all right. That's that's not like a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't describe that as can I put a clean

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<v Speaker 1>sign on the door. I'm gonna do that. Just a

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<v Speaker 1>little agent of chaos over here, aren't you? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't. Yeah a little bit. Shucks. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear some more about some about some fucking George Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>Rockwell and the identity movement. I don't, but I will. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So in case some of the people listening haven't listened

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<v Speaker 1>to the Three Party. On George Lincoln Rockwell's life and

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<v Speaker 1>impact that we we talked about earlier, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>summarize his life here. Rockwell was the founder of the

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<v Speaker 1>American Nazi Party not much more than a decade after

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two ended. He was the first post war

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<v Speaker 1>Holocaust denier. He was the first fascist to make money

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<v Speaker 1>by lecturing in American colleges and provoking fights with anti fascists.

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<v Speaker 1>He invented the term white power, and was in general

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<v Speaker 1>basically the Johnny apple Seed of Nazism in America. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Rockwall was an original thinker, a pioneer of the tactics

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<v Speaker 1>that fashy folks still used today to get media coverage

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<v Speaker 1>and play the victim. But he came into the game

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<v Speaker 1>early enough that he never quite figured out how to

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<v Speaker 1>hide his power level, which is a term modern fascist

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<v Speaker 1>used for hiding their beliefs as garden variety conservatism. Rockwell

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<v Speaker 1>was initially somewhat anti Christian, because you know, Jesus was Jewish,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something that didn't exactly play well with nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixties American conservatives. But in nineteen sixty four Rockwell met

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<v Speaker 1>with Wesley Swift, leader of the Christian Identity Church. Rockwell

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<v Speaker 1>instantly recognized what an opportunity Christian Identity represented for Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>in America. As it stood at that point in the

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<v Speaker 1>party's history, American Nazis and was basically just a cheap

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<v Speaker 1>rip off of German fascism that was good for triggering

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish War veterans and civil rights activists, but it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>click with regular Americans in a way that would allow

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<v Speaker 1>it to spread. American Fascism, Rockwell thought needed a spiritual core,

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<v Speaker 1>something esoteric, a little occult, and thoroughly American. Wherever it

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<v Speaker 1>arises in the world, fascism takes pieces of different spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>traditions and hammers them together around its central authoritarian framework.

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<v Speaker 1>This is part of what allows it to spread in

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<v Speaker 1>different cultures. Umberto Echo identified this trait as syncretism. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist syncretistic occult elements.

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<v Speaker 1>Most fluential theoretical source of the theories of the New

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<v Speaker 1>Italian Right, Julius Avola, merged the Holy Grail with the

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<v Speaker 1>protocols of the Elders of Zion alchemy with the Holy

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<v Speaker 1>Roman and Germanic Empire. If you browse in the shelves

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<v Speaker 1>that in American bookstores are labeled as New Age, you

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<v Speaker 1>can find there even St. Augustine, who as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I know, was not a fascist, but combining St. Augustine

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<v Speaker 1>and Stonehenge, that is a symptom of her fascism. So

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<v Speaker 1>obviously Echo didn't write his essay until decades after Rockwell's death.

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<v Speaker 1>But G. L. R. Was such a natural fascist and

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<v Speaker 1>such an instinctive fearer type that he instantly seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>know that grafting Christian identity onto American Nazism was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be critical if it was going to spread. So

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<v Speaker 1>he appointed Ralph Forbes, head of the California branch of

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<v Speaker 1>his Nazi Party, to be the party Christian Identity Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>For race and nation. My favorite Rockwell biography says this

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<v Speaker 1>about Forbes. His strident racial views, his flair for the dramatic,

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<v Speaker 1>and his loyalty to Rockwell made Forbes the perfect man

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<v Speaker 1>for the job. California was an ideal location. There were

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<v Speaker 1>numerous identity ministry successfully operating there. Forbes would be the

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<v Speaker 1>first Nazi officer to preside over a flock. By fusing

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<v Speaker 1>Christian identity and national socialism, Rockwell hoped to maximize the

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<v Speaker 1>synergies of the groups and broaden the potential membership for

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<v Speaker 1>each group. Nazis could find religious justification and legitimization in

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<v Speaker 1>the church. Identity members could find political expression for their

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<v Speaker 1>theology in the A and P. A riot could now

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<v Speaker 1>be expressed as religion under the guise of the identity Church.

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<v Speaker 1>The push was on within the party to legitimize the cause,

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<v Speaker 1>to de emphasize Nazism and push racial issues to the forefront.

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<v Speaker 1>Racial issues could be easily exploited because they preyed upon

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<v Speaker 1>nativist fears of the white population. Cool, yeah, good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is just more palatable, Yeah, yeah, it it.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes it more palatable, more American, and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>expands the breadth that it can reach because now there's

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<v Speaker 1>a theology behind it after all that messiness in Germany. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thankfully for all of us. Rockwell was assassinated by one

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<v Speaker 1>of his own men on August nine, sixty seven. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what happened to the American Nazi Party after

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<v Speaker 1>his death, and more detail in the next chapter. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>what's important is that Rockwell's iriage of American Nazis and

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<v Speaker 1>with Christian identity took it spread throughout the fascist right.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Butler, the reverend who founded the Aryan Nations compound

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<v Speaker 1>in Idaho, was a Christian identity preacher. Throughout the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and nineteen ninties, the Aryan Nations acted as one

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<v Speaker 1>of the lynch pins of American fascism, a place where

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<v Speaker 1>every kind of violent right wing extremist would gather and

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<v Speaker 1>meet and make connections with each other. From the Aryan Nations,

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<v Speaker 1>Christian identity beliefs were able to make inroads not just

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<v Speaker 1>among klansmen and neo Nazis, but into the American militia movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya Telfair Sharp, a researcher with the Journal of Black Studies,

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the first academics to document the spread

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<v Speaker 1>of Christian identity outside of explicit fascists and into the

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<v Speaker 1>murkier world of American quote patriots. She documented evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>Christian identity pamphlets and underground literature spreading in small local

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<v Speaker 1>gun and knife shows throughout the country from nineteen to nine.

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<v Speaker 1>It had, of course, been prominent in that world before nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Christian identities focus on the inevitable apocalyptic battle between Arians

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<v Speaker 1>and Satanic Jews met to well with the apocalyptic fetishism

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<v Speaker 1>of the survivalist and militia communities. See it's like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's part of why it's so naturally American. Yeah. Gives

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<v Speaker 1>them a reason. Yeah, it gives them arine like quote

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<v Speaker 1>logic for there they're like feelings or desires and have

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<v Speaker 1>these like especially once the Cold War is over and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have that sort of like secular reason to

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<v Speaker 1>expect the apocalypse like now there's yeah. Yeah. As Tanya

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<v Speaker 1>Sharp wrote, both groups were tied together by their belief

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.399
<v Speaker 1>that quote re establishment of white sovereignty depends on the

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<v Speaker 1>use of organized aggression against the enemies of true Christians,

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>all non whites and all non Protestants. The first two

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.400
<v Speaker 1>letters of racial Holy War make up the battle cry.

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Rahawa often used an identity speeches and publications. Christian identity

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>literature regularly focused on preparing for this apocalyptic battle, which

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 1>allowed them to subtly recruit preppers by focusing on not

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 1>explicitly ideological tasks like acquiring dried food and weaponry, or

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>building anti personnel traps in order to protect woodland compounds.

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 1>White Ka was the gold mine for Christian identity. Fear

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 1>of the year two thousand brought thousands of New Americans

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:08.959
<v Speaker 1>into the world of survivalist magazines, conventions, and online message boards.

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>The worlds of the militia movement in the survivalist communities are,

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>of course, closely tied into the world of conspiracy theorists.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen nineties, guys like Alex Jones weren't

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 1>preaching overt anti Semitic conspiracy theories. You'd never catch him

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 1>claiming Jews were the spawn of Satan, for example, but

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Joan and his ILK were major proponents of the New

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<v Speaker 1>World Order, the king of conspiracy theories. Throughout the nineties

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and early two thousands, the n w O took different

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 1>forms in the mouths of different conspiracy theorists. The most

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.199
<v Speaker 1>mainstream and least racist version of the theory was that

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>a secret world government of shadowy globalists was slowly taking

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>over the federal government and the governments of the world,

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.400
<v Speaker 1>with the aim of enforcing total or welly in control

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 1>over the populace and killing the majority of the world's population,

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>particularly the Christians. The New World Order conspiracy was again

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>not inherently anti Semitic or racist, but in practiced most

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>expressions of the theory wind up focusing on beliefs that

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>a Jewish led all of blacks, homosexuals, Hispanic immigrants, and

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>liberals was trying to wipe out all straight white Christian Americans.

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Christian identity believers introduced the term Zionist occupied government or

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>ZOG into the lexicon of American fringe politics. It took

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<v Speaker 1>off like wildfire, leading countless Americans on the far right,

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.199
<v Speaker 1>or entering the vocabularies of countless Americans on the far

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>right who would never have considered calling themselves a Nazi

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>just Zog's Yeah, they would never, Yeah, they never do.

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>At first, they never Taylor's old time guys, same thing

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>over again. That connection quite that, that's where it's heading. Towards.

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 1>That is where it all heads towards. That's where Alex

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Jones all heads towards. And he has had so many

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Christian identity preachers on his show. They never talk about

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Christian identity, but you look into a ton of these

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>guys and it's like, Oh, he's a pastor of a

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Christian identity underlying. Yeah. Right, you present them on the platform,

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and then people watching eventually get into them, and then

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.479
<v Speaker 1>they don't realize what they actually preach, and then they

0:28:56.680 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 1>get they absorb what they preach, and then yeah, brilliant

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Christianity beliefs happened to mesh perfectly with every other extremist

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>belief in the United States. In the late nineteen eighties

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>and early nineties, tax protesting became more common. Christian nitinity

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>fit in with that too, arguing that paying taxes was

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 1>really just paying for the demonic Jews to carry out

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>their white genocide aims even faster. In nine William Luther Pierce,

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<v Speaker 1>a former devotee of Rockwell and head of a Nazi

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 1>group called the National Alliance, wrote this in a newsletter.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth of the matter is that the New World

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<v Speaker 1>Order people ultimately aimed to create a new world population

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>of surfs for their global plantation, a homogeneous population of

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 1>coffee colored surfs, a population of docile, predictable, and interchangeable surfs.

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>And they definitely don't want any large reservoir of white

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 1>people anywhere who might rebel. N Now, if you take

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the word white out of that sentiment, it almost word

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>for word matches with any one of a thousand rants.

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Alex Jones has gone on Throughout the years under Rockwell.

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 1>The American Nazi Party never numbered more than a few

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>dozen real committed members, and its ideas never gained any

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of mainstream penetration. But the late nineteen nineties American

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>fascists were no less hateful or violent than they'd ever been,

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>but their rhetoric had evolved to fit with the deep

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>conspiratorial undercurrents sweeping through American society. Rockwell had shotguned out

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>hardcore racism, and as a result, he'd only been able

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>to recruit a small number of the craziest people in America,

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>or I shouldn't say craziest of the worst people in America.

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Uh new American fascism, blended with Christian identity, was capable

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<v Speaker 1>of hiding out in more moderate spaces and luring in

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>new believers without waiving a swastika in their faces. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>the most potent weapon Christian identity added to the arsenal

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>of American fascism was the idea of white genocide. If

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>you spent much time studying neo Nazis, you're aware of

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the significance of the number fourteen that stands for the

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 1>fourteen words we must secure the existence of our people

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>in the future, for white children. This is the invention

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>of David Lane, a neo Nazi bank robber and for

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>decades a Christian identity believer. Uh wall Lane was has

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>moved on from Christian identity to a weird sort of

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>bastardized Norse mythology rip off. Turning this fucking Viking there now?

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Uh He and other Christian identity believers in the eighties

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and nineties were largely responsible for seating the fear of

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>white genocide into American fascism. From Tanya Sharp's article quote,

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the identity literature is filled with negative images of white

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>women caring for mixed race babies. Race mixing in and

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:26.719
<v Speaker 1>of itself is a cause for an organized and radical

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 1>plan to separate the races. The National Vanguard magazine, a

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>leading pron neo Nazi publication, suggests that the cult of misgenation,

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 1>which according to them, has proliferated over the past thirty years,

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>has placed the white race on the precipice of biological extinction. Furthermore,

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>they argued that only radical action will end the morality

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>of death. Now, the urge to protect white babies and

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>ensure the future of the white race inspired a little

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>guy named Eric Rudolph to bomb an Alabama abortion clinic

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>in nine. Rudolph was a Christian identity believer, and his

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>beliefs led him to bomb atlanta As Olympic Park the

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>same year, along with a gay nightclub. Rudolph spent more

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>than a year hiding in the woods eluding federal agents.

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>He killed two and injured more than a hundred and

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty people over his almost two year long bombing spury,

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<v Speaker 1>and as we talked about in the introduction to this,

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<v Speaker 1>he also inspired that British bomber who's built a series

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 1>of nail bombs that killed three people and injured dozens more,

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>which also inspired the guy who killed Joe Cox. Almost

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 1>like it's a chain reaction, yeah, exactly, Now, Eric Rudolph,

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 1>as I just stated, was not the last person moved

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>to violence by this picture of declining white race. Everyone

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>listening to this will remember, of course, the two thousand

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen christ Church massacre in which a fascist extremist murdered

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>fifty one Muslim worshippers at a New Zealand mosque. That

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>shooter did not identify as a Nazi, and a manifesto

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>lacked the expected anti Semitic rambling, but he ranted at

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>length about the threat of white genocide and what he

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:51.239
<v Speaker 1>called the great replacement. In between those two terrorists are

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>dozens and dozens of other attacks with bits of Christian

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>identity DNA coded into them. John Ernest, the Paway Synagogue shooter,

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>did not identify himself as a follower of Christian identity theology,

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 1>but accordinated Tablet magazine quote. The manifesto left behind by

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the Patway shooter reads like a hybrid of classical Christian

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>anti semitism and contemporary white nationalism. He alternated, within paragraph,

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>sometimes within sentences, from charging the Jews with responsibility for

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the death of Jesus and the early Christian Saints to

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<v Speaker 1>declaring that Jews fund politicians and organizations who use mass

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>immigration to displace the European race. The document is riddled

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 1>with contradictions and as inarticulate even by white nationalist manifesto standards,

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>as it moves between citing the Gospels and the Killer's

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>love of Frederic Chopin with explosive hatred towards Jews. But

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>what it does evince clearly is a grounding and a

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>form of anti Semitism that's equally in debt to older

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Christian traditions and more modern secular variants centered on race

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and soil. Christian identities influence in the fascist rite is

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>so deep and so well woven that attacks are now

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>carried out by terrorists who have been inspired by its

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 1>tenants without ever learning the words Christian identity. You'll be

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 1>hearing about it regularly throughout the rest of this audio book,

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'll be sure to point out wherever groups or

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>individuals we discussed or Christian identity believers. But it almost

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>isn't necessary. Christian identity is now just part of the

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 1>furniture of American fascism. No matter whether or not it's

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 1>reference directly, it shows up everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 1>always the same, same, kind of shades the same means

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>this is fascinating and horrifying. Of course, yeah, this is

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 1>just like the groundwork. We need a delay to really

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 1>get into the story because it's all this stuff that

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:29.439
<v Speaker 1>it's there, like you said, even they don't necessarily know

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.879
<v Speaker 1>where it came from. Or Robert Bowers is kind of rare,

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and that he actually did read in the Christian any philosophy.

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Ernest ever did. But it's there. That's

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>how it's so insidious, Like people believe it, Like you said,

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>they start listening to this person talk and like they

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 1>don't on the surface understand that it has all of

0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:48.879
<v Speaker 1>these different layers to it. But then as you get

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>drawn in, then you're starting on subconsciously. It's like you

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:57.280
<v Speaker 1>you don't notice that, like Trump's references to sorrows funding

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the American Caramans and stuff, how that ties into like

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Christian identity, this idea that goes back to like the

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>fucking thirties that the Jews are trying to like like

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 1>replace with fund multiculturalism in order to replace all the

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 1>all the nonsense. And if you don't you don't need

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 1>to have read all of this too to like know

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 1>that or believe in it. You just you're just like

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 1>a piece in the the long thread that they got. There,

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 1>my metaphor fell apart. Sorry, you just lost confidence. You

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>should because we all turned and looked to you, and

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>then I got Yeah, the pressure from being looked at

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<v Speaker 1>by my familiars. Quick, throw some mayonnaise. I think I'm

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna throw this packet of silverware. So people, do you

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>think I should throw it away from my dog? Uh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's ready. Actually, you just went straightforward. I was hoping

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<v Speaker 1>it would all. It's among the oranges. Now it's the oranges. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we can use those eat the oranges. Quite a mess,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a mess for Daniel. There's some tongs in there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some tongs on there. I think I threw a tong. Yeah,

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 1>we can use those to pick up the oranges. The

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<v Speaker 1>oranges stay, okay, Daniel can use the dog stays. You

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<v Speaker 1>were like, I don't want to do this, So here

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<v Speaker 1>we are. I have nothing to plug. The episodes over

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<v Speaker 1>is very proud of me. She's clapping. You can't hear it,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's clapping for you on the inside. Oh no, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not clapping, she's slapping her head. I mistake these two.

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<v Speaker 1>Regularly you can buy T shirts. Yeah, in general, just

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<v Speaker 1>like go to a store and buy some T shirts,

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<v Speaker 1>some T shirts. I'm a fan of the concept. Sophie,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want? She wants you to plug your

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<v Speaker 1>te public store for Behind the Bastards. There's a t

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<v Speaker 1>public store for Behind the Bastard there is. That's one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite podcasts. So you guys should check that out. Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>you should can't pick up some merch um. This audio

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<v Speaker 1>book that he's releasing is something to plug. You're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to it now. You're listening to it now, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can go to the war and everyone dot com uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can read or you can't read it, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can listen to it without the jokes and digressions,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's what you want. If that's what you want, Katie,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you gave me Gough for plugging your stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you plugged his stuff for plugging your stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a real stuff cover what stuff goffing over? Yet?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Episode