1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Hmm, what's talking too much about? Come my Cody's part 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: two of my reading to my friends of the war 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: on everyone. I have armed myself additionally with a fistful 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: of plastic silverware packets. Sophie, No, I have to throw 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: the cans. She's trying to take my cans, my pressure. 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: I need all of these to throw now. Katie commented 7 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: during the show break that the oranges I have are 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: very soft and almost certainly bad. You're ready to burst 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: you you could touch it, lightly needed explode. I'm so 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: excited to throw those at the wall. So if you 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: just give me a withering look, that's her excited look. 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: That's her excited look. Look. Well, speaking of excitement, it's 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: time for part two, Chapter two. Because this is an 14 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Adeo book, which is different from a seven part podcast 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: for reasons. I'm glad that I'm finally recording an audio book. 16 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: Maybe this will start my audiobook career, I think so. 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for narrating the Katie parts that I wrote 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: ahead of time, he thought out loud. Chapter two, An 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: American Fascist Faith. At nine fifty a m. On October eighteen, 20 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: Robert Bowers entered the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. 21 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: He carried a cult a R fifteen three glock handguns, 22 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: chambered in three fifty seven six body armor, and a 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: substantial amount of ammunition. Bowers proceeded to open fire during 24 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: a Shabbat morning service. He killed eleven of the seventy 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: five people worshiping at the synagogue that morning, and the 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: hours and days that followed, journalists and researchers in the 27 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: countering violent extremism community began to dig into Mr. Bowers's 28 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: social media presence and Internet footprint. If you read or 29 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: listen to any coverage about this, it probably focused on 30 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: his use of the social media website gab, which is 31 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: essentially Twitter for Nazis. Gab earned a lot of attention 32 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: because it's where Bowers chose to announce his attack and 33 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: his belief that a Jewish conspiracy was responsible. Sounds like 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: a teen girl magazine. It is. Yeah, yeah, it should 35 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: be in a sane world. Uh so, Yeah. Gab earned 36 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: most of the attention, Like the media coverage in the 37 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: wake of that attack. Gained attention for that attack mainly 38 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: because it was seen as like the place that radicalized 39 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: him um and it was, of course the place where 40 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: he announced the start of his attack. But in addition 41 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: to announcing the start of his attack on gab Robert 42 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: Bowers said other things on the site stranger things. In 43 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: various posts, he claimed that people of Anglo European descent 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: were the chosen people, with Jews as their ancient enemy. 45 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: He warned his fellow racists of a coming false flag 46 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: attack that would be quote one of the final desperate 47 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: attempts by the Jewish international oligarchy to maintain power in 48 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: the face of collapsing public trust in the media, which 49 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: he believed they controlled. On the profile page for his account, 50 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: Bowers included a quote Jews are the children of Satan. 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: A little more than two weeks before his rampage, he 52 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: reposted to link to the Wikipedia page for Christian identity. 53 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Christian identity? Yeah? Exactly, that's 54 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: what we're getting into today. Uh So, he reposted a 55 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: link to the Wikipedia page for Christian identity and wrote 56 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: if the Jews hate it, then it must be truth. Now, 57 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard much about Christian identity, don't worry. 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: Neither had I before Bowers went on his rampage. Um 59 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: A friend of mine, actually a woman named Sarah, who's 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: a CV researcher, is the person who like first said 61 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: that you should start looking into this ship, and as 62 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: soon as I did, I found that it connected to 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: basically everything that's ever happened in American fascism after World 64 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: War Two and kind of before it. Uh now. Christian 65 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: identity theology is not widely known in modern America, and 66 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: in fact, the vast majority of people who have been 67 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: influenced by it have probably never actually heard the term. 68 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: Bowers is sort of a rare figure in that he 69 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: was aware of it. Um it's been around for so 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: long and embedded itself so deeply in the consciousness of 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: the far right that it's woven itself into the DNA 72 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: of American facis M. Christian identity, however, did not begin 73 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: in America. The origin of this philosophy traces back to Britain, 74 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: in when a crazy person and retired navy man named 75 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: Richard Brothers started having visions. Rather than writing these visions 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: off as the result of bad can sardines or or 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: got poisoned bread, he decided that these visions were God 78 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: telling him that he had to lead the Jews back 79 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: to Palestide. Now. He also decided that he was a 80 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: descendant of the biblical King David, for reasons which are 81 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: slightly less clear. Revelation followed revelation, as they often do 82 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: for people with this sort of thing going on in 83 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: their brain, and by the time Richard Brothers was done, 84 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: he had concluded that the majority of Jewish people were 85 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: actually hidden in Britain. This hidden Israel, as he called it, 86 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: became one of the central tenets of British Israelism. Yeah, 87 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: all of the Jews are secretly British. Yeah, that's British 88 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: Israelism in a nutshell. Now, Brothers was eventually declared insane 89 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: by the state, which is probably fair. He was stuck 90 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: in an institution, which is probably unfair, from sevent to 91 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: eighteen o six. But in the four years before he 92 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: got locked up, he earned himself some followers, and although 93 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: his flock didn't stick together until he got out of 94 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: the asylum, some of his ideas persisted for years amongst 95 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: the fringes of British society. In eighteen forty, a writer 96 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: named John Wilson wrote Lectures on Our Israelitish Origin and 97 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: began lecturing across England and Ireland about the theory that 98 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: the real Jews were basically everyone but actual Jewish people. 99 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: According to the book Religion and the Right by Michael 100 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: barkun quote, the lectures depended less on the interpretation of 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: Biblical prophecy than on Wilson's attempt to demonstrate empirically that 102 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: the Lost Tribes had in fact migrated from the Near 103 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: East to Europe. Like many writers after him, one of 104 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: his favorite techniques was to look for words in different 105 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: languages that sounded the same, assuming, usually erroneously, that if 106 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: the words sounds were similar in the languages and their 107 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: speakers had to be connected this stuff. Yeah, yeah, since 108 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: similar sounds often crop up in otherwise unrelated languages, they 109 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: allowed Wilson claim and to believe that he had proved 110 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: that quote, many of our most common English words and 111 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: names of familiar objects are almost pure Hebrew. Yeah. It's 112 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: one of those things when you when you read like 113 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: early arguments as to why the Bible shouldn't be printed, 114 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: like back when like they wouldn't give out copies of 115 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: the Bible to people, like only the priest would have 116 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: a copy of the Bible. The Internet makes me have 117 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: a little bit more respect for those arguments. It's like, 118 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: oh yeah, maybe just letting everyone read everything is a 119 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: bad Maybe maybe human beings naturally look for patterns and 120 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: not all those patterns actually exists. Are irrelevant. I took 121 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: a sip of tea and started laughing, though, And Sophie, 122 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: can I have one of my Canada drives? I promise 123 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: I won't throw it. I love professionalism. That's the best 124 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: thing about podcasts is the professionals. And this one specifically 125 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: is the most professional. This one specifically is the most professional. 126 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: And as a mark of my professionalism, I'm gonna throw 127 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: the sack of clement Clementine's everywhere ads We're back, We're back. 128 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: There's oranges all over the floor, h Cody or any 129 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: of them oozing. No, that's a shame, that's unfortunate. I'm 130 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: gonna stomp on. Well, let's not remove them in the 131 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: hopes that they get forgotten and begin to rot and 132 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: dan All finds them. That's the dream, and it's a 133 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: dream that could be a reality. Just leave it for 134 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: a month and then you come back and there'll be 135 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of flying at like what happened at our 136 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: office last night. I don't know if y'all remember but 137 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: months ago when we did the Rockwell episodes, I tossed 138 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: the coffee mate up on the ceiling of the poison rooms. 139 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: Still there are you guys looking forward to making some 140 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: coffee with that next year. So yeah, it's going to 141 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: be a laxing, one pump, one shit cottage cheese. Alright, 142 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about British Israelism, the normal same concept of 143 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: British realism. Yes, the idea that the British people are 144 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: the Jews and the Jews are not the Jews all 145 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: makes sense. Well, at this point the Jews are still 146 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: the Jews, but also British people are secret Jews. That's 147 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: British is Realism in a enough shehell. So British Israelism 148 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: continued to evolve over the course of the eighteen hundreds. 149 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: Fella named he and added the assertion that Germans were 150 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: really Assyrians because apparently those people had gotten lost to 151 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: and wound up in Germany somehow. Hein claimed that the 152 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: United States was also full of Israelites. Now, at this point, 153 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: actual Jewish people, like real Jewish folks, were not seen 154 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: as bad guys. They were considered part of a greater 155 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: community called all Israel, which was made up of the 156 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: House of Israel, which was Europe, and the House of Judah, 157 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: which is actual Jewish people. Now, there was no evidence 158 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: for any of this at any point in time. This 159 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: was this was and I'm not using this was slow. 160 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: It was all just the result of a guy's mental 161 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: illness like that. That's what was going on, is this 162 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: was a sick man who had a dream about leading 163 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: the juice back to Palestine and read too much into that. Um, 164 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: so that's where this starts. Now, A fellow named Joseph 165 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: Wilde was the very first American British Israelite, or if 166 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't the first, he's the first guy who tried 167 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: to popularize it here in the first one we have 168 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: any records of. Wild was a pastor at the Union 169 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Congregational Church in Brooklyn. At this point, the theory or 170 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: whatever you would call it, was fundamentally pretty harmless. But 171 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: as it drifted through the United States from the frigid 172 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: East to the also frigid Northwest, something funny happened. British 173 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: Israelism turned racist as fuck. That's weird, weird, you know, 174 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: weird weird that would happen surprising, Yes, surprising indeed now 175 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: The man most responsible for this turn was an Oregonian 176 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: named Reuben eight Sawyer. In the late nineteen teens, he 177 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: started writing for a monthly magazine called The Watchman of Israel, 178 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: which was dedicated to the idea that quote, the English 179 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: speaking peoples of today are the lineal descendants of the 180 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: lost ten tribes of Israel and must fulfill in these 181 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: latter days the responsibilities decreed for them through the patriarchs 182 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: and the prophets. So Reuben was the pastor of the 183 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: East Side Christian Church in Portland, Oregon, and over the 184 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: years he built up a sizeable British israel group in 185 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: the city of Roses. In fact, he was so successful 186 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: at this that he left his job as a pastor 187 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty one to lecture and write about British 188 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: Israelism full time, well not quite full time. He did 189 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: have one other side gig as a member of the 190 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: Oregon Ku Klux Klass. There we go, and you know, 191 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: I love talking about the nineteen Clans, that one beautiful 192 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: wacky clan before I got back to being terrorists, back 193 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: when they were still hanging out at the cool Coast 194 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: hilarious losers dangerous. Yeah, not the mass murderers, um, although 195 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: they still killed a lot of people. We probably shouldn't 196 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 1: laugh at them as often as we do. But I 197 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: mean the Cool Coast Camp and the christ Can you 198 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: imagine the pitch meeting for the Cool Coast Camp. I 199 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: can now that you mentioned, I think someone mentioned, someone suggested, 200 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: and everyone else like, that's a great idea, idea we 201 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't so. Reuben was big into the clan for several years, 202 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: and in fact he helped sell his fellow Portlanders on it, 203 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: addressing six thousand of them on December two the municipal auditorium. 204 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: He told them the KKK saw it quote a cleansed 205 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: and purified Americanism, where law abiding citizens will be respected 206 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: and their rights defended, irrespective of race, religion, or color. 207 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: So long us they make an honest effort to be 208 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: Americans and Americans only, So that's nice, regardless of race 209 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: or color. Yeah, and that at this point this wasn't 210 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: totally bullshit. The twenties clan was more of a pyramid 211 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: scheme than a terrorist organization. It was racist, but not 212 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: more racist than mainstream American society. When it came to 213 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: skin color. They were, however, more racist than mainstream Americans 214 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: about certain things. They hated the Catholic, the foreign born Asians, 215 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: and of course Jews. This presented an issue. Yeah, like 216 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: we were great on a curve in the twenties. Yeah, 217 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: so suggesting that like, when you create like a big group, 218 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: inevitably you'll have a bunch of a bunch of our 219 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: groups an increasing number of outs. Interesting now, Uh. The 220 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: effect that KKK hated the Jews presented an issue for 221 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: Reuben Sawyer because British Israelism loved the Jews, at least 222 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: it traditionally did, right, Like that was part of the 223 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: whole idea, was this kind of like veneer ration of 224 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: Judaism that like all these British people wanted to be 225 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: Jews as well. Um. So Reubens started out as like 226 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: kind of being you know, on the side of Jewish 227 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: people and like liking them, but over time and exposure 228 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: to other anti Semites and the KKK, Reuben radicalized. In 229 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: his first speech about the clan, he brought up the 230 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: Jewish question, but made a point of noting that some 231 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: Jews were of ancient and honorable faith, while only a 232 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: few were objectionable according to the book Religion and the 233 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: Right Quote. By ninety two, however, this inu window had 234 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: been replaced by full blown anti Semitism that was as 235 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: crude as it was open. Quote. Jews are either Bolshevists 236 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: undermining our government, or are shylocks and financeer commerce who 237 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: gained commanded control of Christians as borrowers or employees. It 238 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: is repugnant to a true American to be bossed by 239 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: a sheeny. And in some parts of America the Kikes 240 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: are so thick that a white man can hardly find 241 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: room to walk on the sidewalk. And where they are 242 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: so thick, it is Bolshevism. They're talking Bolshevism and revolution. 243 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: The transformation is so startling that one wonders at first 244 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: if it is the same person speaking. This is back 245 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: to a quote from the book. Yeah, out of my 246 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: head listening to that. Yeah, that is a lot of 247 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: racial slurs for Jewish people in like like a paragraph 248 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: that's like all of them. Yeah, I've run out of yikes. 249 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Uh so yeah. He started out making a 250 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: distinction between like good Jews and bad Jews. Uh and 251 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: then eventually just decided that all Jews were terrible and 252 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: ethic Jews. Yeah yeah, So Rubin became a major force 253 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: for pushing his fellow American British Israelites towards anti Semitism. 254 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: In the early and midnighteteen twenties, the Dearborn Independent, the 255 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: newspaper funded by Henry Ford, began pushing even more extreme 256 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: anti Semitic ideas on the wider American public. It's editor, 257 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: William Cameron, was a British Israelite. Thanks to people like 258 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: Reuben and Cameron, the category of good Jews shrank every year, 259 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: and the dangers of the bad ones expanded to something 260 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: resembling the all encompassing anti Semitic conspiracy theory that set 261 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: Robert Bowers off on his rampage. From the late nineteen 262 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: twenties to the nineteen thirties, Howard Ran, a British Israelite 263 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: from New England, became a thought leader in the movement. 264 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: His goal was to build it into a political organization. 265 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty three, he formed the Anglo Saxon Federation 266 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: of America, which claimed that actual Jewish people were not 267 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: in fact descended from Judah. By the late nineteen thirties, 268 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: RAN's ideas had evolved to the point where he began 269 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: to claim that Jewish people were literally the children of 270 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: the devil. If you're curious about how this went down, 271 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: here's an explanation from the website of a modern Christian 272 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: identity group. Quote. Most that call themselves Jews today are, 273 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: in fact the race of Lucifer through his son Kane. 274 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: Kane was inherently evil from the beginning because he was 275 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: of Lucifer's seed. Eve was beguiled by Lucifer and did, 276 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: in the carnal sense, lay with him and begot Kane. 277 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: It was a pair on the ground, not an apple 278 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: on the tree. Eve was deceived by Lucifer and was 279 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: led to believe that she was laying down with Yahweh God. 280 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: That's the conspiracy theory that the devil tricked Eve and 281 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: to fucking him and thinking that he was God. But 282 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: it was really the devil. And that's where Caine comes from. 283 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: And Caine is the father of the Jews. Well, that 284 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: all makes sense. I love him history. Yeah, you can't 285 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: not put quotation marks around it in that context. God. 286 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: So Howard Rand was the very first person to use 287 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: the term Christian identity, and his thinking had a big 288 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: impact on a fella named William Dudley Pelley, who was, 289 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: of course the founder of the American fascist Silver Shirts movement, 290 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: who we also talked about on an episode of Behind 291 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: the Bastards, really bringing all the hits yea like tour. 292 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's all culmination. It's all called intersectional fascism. 293 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: Intersectional fascism, we're coining it here. But the nineteen forties, 294 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: the core of the Christian identity belief system was more 295 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: or less formed. It includes three specific ideas. Number one, 296 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: Arians are descendants of the biblical tribes of Israel. Number two, 297 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: actual Jews are the result of the devil having sex 298 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: with Eve in the garden of even Eden. And number three, 299 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: the apocalypse is nigh and when it comes, Arians will 300 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: have to go toe to toe with the worldwide Jewish 301 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: conspiracy in order to save the planet. When he walked 302 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: into the Tree of Life Synagogue that cold October morning, 303 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: Robert Bowers saw himself as a soldier taking place in 304 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: this great apocalyptic battle against the Jews. Now, Heart and 305 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: his fellow Christian identity believers had to be careful during 306 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: World War Two, since their belief system was essentially just 307 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: Nazism without the swastika, but that didn't stop him from 308 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: railing against FDR's appointment of the first Jewish Supreme Court, 309 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: Justice Felix Frankfurter. It also didn't stop him from opposing 310 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: the admission of Jewish refugees into the United States after 311 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: ninety eight. Heart specific beliefs were always fringe, but they 312 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: bled over into the mainstream American right wing due to 313 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: the right subsessive fear of socialism. I like to quote 314 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: next from a Great Tablet magazine article the Bloody History 315 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: of America's Christian Identity Movement. Quote. The broader concern of 316 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: Heart and his allies in the respectable wing of anti Semitism, 317 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: liberal journalist Kasey McWilliams called them the armchair andy Semites 318 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: of the right, was that liberal and socialist Jews were 319 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: ultimately behind the hated New Deal and the corresponding transformations 320 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: of in American society. These armchair anti Semites believe that 321 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: admitting Holocaust survivors into the United States after World War 322 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: Two would be the first step in dismantling the Immigration 323 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: Act of nineteen to preserve the racial character of America. 324 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: American Jews, many of whom supported easing immigration restrictions broadly, 325 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 1: were the boogeyman of the nativist right, and since right 326 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: wing nativists also often subscribe to Judeo Bolshevik conspiracy theories, 327 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: opposing immigration was a way to strike a blow against 328 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: communism as well as Judaism and preserve the white Christian 329 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: character of the United States. I just hate this song. 330 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: I hate the song. I hate that we have to 331 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: play it, yeah all the time. It's the same song. 332 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: It's not even catchy. It doesn't have a good hunt. 333 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: It's not it's a bad song. It's just play it 334 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: all the time, a big mushpot are you trying to say? 335 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, play encore, play it again. Let's let's 336 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: keep complaining about how immigration is going to destroy the 337 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: country like we have for two straight years, the inflation 338 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: of like all this like anti semitism, and then like 339 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: the communism and the socialism and the immigration, all these topics, 340 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: it's all the same. Or actually, don't pick any of 341 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: those lanes, don't pick any just get off, get off 342 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: the highway. It's yeah, pull over, go to a rest stop. 343 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: You need to sleep. Buring your car, burning your car, 344 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: and burn your car taking nap in the pathroom. So 345 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: from the beginning, Christian identity connected more with the dark 346 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: and violet chunks of the far right than mainstream conservatism. 347 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: This started with the silver Shirts in the KKK and 348 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: continued into nineteen sixty four when this peculiarly American fascist 349 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: cult met a little guy named George Lincoln Rockwell. And 350 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: that's what we're going to talk about after this ad 351 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: pivot pivot. Should I throw something? No, not yet, No no, no, 352 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: not not yet. Products we're back. I rejected the urge 353 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: to throw another thing, but I'm looking at I think 354 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this big fistful of silver ware packets. 355 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: You showed your strength. Thank you in that moment. Thank you, 356 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: thank you. Character counts the best. Yeah, these these seem safe. 357 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: They're projectiles, but they're covered in plastics. At the amount 358 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: of mess they're going to make, because that's really going 359 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: to be a lot for Daniel lidial with. So if 360 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: he says they have a cleaning staff, now, I don't 361 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: want a cleaning staff to have to deal with it. No, 362 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: just stantal well, the plastic, the plastic forks and knives 363 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: will be all right. That's that's not like a mess. 364 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: I wouldn't describe that as can I put a clean 365 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: sign on the door. I'm gonna do that. Just a 366 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: little agent of chaos over here, aren't you? Yeah? Yeah, 367 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: he didn't. Yeah a little bit. Shucks. I want to 368 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: hear some more about some about some fucking George Lincoln 369 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: Rockwell and the identity movement. I don't, but I will. Yeah, 370 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: So in case some of the people listening haven't listened 371 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: to the Three Party. On George Lincoln Rockwell's life and 372 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: impact that we we talked about earlier, I'm going to 373 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: summarize his life here. Rockwell was the founder of the 374 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: American Nazi Party not much more than a decade after 375 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: World War Two ended. He was the first post war 376 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: Holocaust denier. He was the first fascist to make money 377 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: by lecturing in American colleges and provoking fights with anti fascists. 378 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: He invented the term white power, and was in general 379 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: basically the Johnny apple Seed of Nazism in America. Now. 380 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: Rockwall was an original thinker, a pioneer of the tactics 381 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: that fashy folks still used today to get media coverage 382 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: and play the victim. But he came into the game 383 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: early enough that he never quite figured out how to 384 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: hide his power level, which is a term modern fascist 385 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: used for hiding their beliefs as garden variety conservatism. Rockwell 386 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: was initially somewhat anti Christian, because you know, Jesus was Jewish, 387 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: which is something that didn't exactly play well with nineteen 388 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: sixties American conservatives. But in nineteen sixty four Rockwell met 389 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: with Wesley Swift, leader of the Christian Identity Church. Rockwell 390 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: instantly recognized what an opportunity Christian Identity represented for Nazis 391 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: in America. As it stood at that point in the 392 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: party's history, American Nazis and was basically just a cheap 393 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: rip off of German fascism that was good for triggering 394 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: Jewish War veterans and civil rights activists, but it didn't 395 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: click with regular Americans in a way that would allow 396 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: it to spread. American Fascism, Rockwell thought needed a spiritual core, 397 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: something esoteric, a little occult, and thoroughly American. Wherever it 398 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: arises in the world, fascism takes pieces of different spiritual 399 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: traditions and hammers them together around its central authoritarian framework. 400 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: This is part of what allows it to spread in 401 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: different cultures. Umberto Echo identified this trait as syncretism. Quote, 402 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: the Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist syncretistic occult elements. 403 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: Most fluential theoretical source of the theories of the New 404 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: Italian Right, Julius Avola, merged the Holy Grail with the 405 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: protocols of the Elders of Zion alchemy with the Holy 406 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: Roman and Germanic Empire. If you browse in the shelves 407 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: that in American bookstores are labeled as New Age, you 408 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: can find there even St. Augustine, who as far as 409 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: I know, was not a fascist, but combining St. Augustine 410 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: and Stonehenge, that is a symptom of her fascism. So 411 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: obviously Echo didn't write his essay until decades after Rockwell's death. 412 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: But G. L. R. Was such a natural fascist and 413 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: such an instinctive fearer type that he instantly seemed to 414 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: know that grafting Christian identity onto American Nazism was going 415 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: to be critical if it was going to spread. So 416 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: he appointed Ralph Forbes, head of the California branch of 417 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: his Nazi Party, to be the party Christian Identity Minister. 418 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: For race and nation. My favorite Rockwell biography says this 419 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: about Forbes. His strident racial views, his flair for the dramatic, 420 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: and his loyalty to Rockwell made Forbes the perfect man 421 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: for the job. California was an ideal location. There were 422 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: numerous identity ministry successfully operating there. Forbes would be the 423 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: first Nazi officer to preside over a flock. By fusing 424 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: Christian identity and national socialism, Rockwell hoped to maximize the 425 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: synergies of the groups and broaden the potential membership for 426 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: each group. Nazis could find religious justification and legitimization in 427 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,239 Speaker 1: the church. Identity members could find political expression for their 428 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: theology in the A and P. A riot could now 429 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: be expressed as religion under the guise of the identity Church. 430 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: The push was on within the party to legitimize the cause, 431 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: to de emphasize Nazism and push racial issues to the forefront. 432 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: Racial issues could be easily exploited because they preyed upon 433 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: nativist fears of the white population. Cool, yeah, good idea. 434 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: So this is just more palatable, Yeah, yeah, it it. 435 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: It makes it more palatable, more American, and kind of 436 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: expands the breadth that it can reach because now there's 437 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: a theology behind it after all that messiness in Germany. Yeah, 438 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: thankfully for all of us. Rockwell was assassinated by one 439 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: of his own men on August nine, sixty seven. We'll 440 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: talk about what happened to the American Nazi Party after 441 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: his death, and more detail in the next chapter. Right now, 442 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: what's important is that Rockwell's iriage of American Nazis and 443 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: with Christian identity took it spread throughout the fascist right. 444 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: Richard Butler, the reverend who founded the Aryan Nations compound 445 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: in Idaho, was a Christian identity preacher. Throughout the nineteen 446 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: eighties and nineteen ninties, the Aryan Nations acted as one 447 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: of the lynch pins of American fascism, a place where 448 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: every kind of violent right wing extremist would gather and 449 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: meet and make connections with each other. From the Aryan Nations, 450 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: Christian identity beliefs were able to make inroads not just 451 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: among klansmen and neo Nazis, but into the American militia movement. 452 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: Tanya Telfair Sharp, a researcher with the Journal of Black Studies, 453 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: was one of the first academics to document the spread 454 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: of Christian identity outside of explicit fascists and into the 455 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: murkier world of American quote patriots. She documented evidence of 456 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: Christian identity pamphlets and underground literature spreading in small local 457 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: gun and knife shows throughout the country from nineteen to nine. 458 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: It had, of course, been prominent in that world before nine. 459 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: Christian identities focus on the inevitable apocalyptic battle between Arians 460 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: and Satanic Jews met to well with the apocalyptic fetishism 461 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: of the survivalist and militia communities. See it's like that. 462 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: That's part of why it's so naturally American. Yeah. Gives 463 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: them a reason. Yeah, it gives them arine like quote 464 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: logic for there they're like feelings or desires and have 465 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: these like especially once the Cold War is over and 466 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: you don't have that sort of like secular reason to 467 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: expect the apocalypse like now there's yeah. Yeah. As Tanya 468 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: Sharp wrote, both groups were tied together by their belief 469 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: that quote re establishment of white sovereignty depends on the 470 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: use of organized aggression against the enemies of true Christians, 471 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: all non whites and all non Protestants. The first two 472 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: letters of racial Holy War make up the battle cry. 473 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: Rahawa often used an identity speeches and publications. Christian identity 474 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: literature regularly focused on preparing for this apocalyptic battle, which 475 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: allowed them to subtly recruit preppers by focusing on not 476 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: explicitly ideological tasks like acquiring dried food and weaponry, or 477 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: building anti personnel traps in order to protect woodland compounds. 478 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: White Ka was the gold mine for Christian identity. Fear 479 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: of the year two thousand brought thousands of New Americans 480 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 1: into the world of survivalist magazines, conventions, and online message boards. 481 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: The worlds of the militia movement in the survivalist communities are, 482 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: of course, closely tied into the world of conspiracy theorists. 483 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: In the late nineteen nineties, guys like Alex Jones weren't 484 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: preaching overt anti Semitic conspiracy theories. You'd never catch him 485 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: claiming Jews were the spawn of Satan, for example, but 486 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: Joan and his ILK were major proponents of the New 487 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: World Order, the king of conspiracy theories. Throughout the nineties 488 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: and early two thousands, the n w O took different 489 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: forms in the mouths of different conspiracy theorists. The most 490 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: mainstream and least racist version of the theory was that 491 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: a secret world government of shadowy globalists was slowly taking 492 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: over the federal government and the governments of the world, 493 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: with the aim of enforcing total or welly in control 494 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: over the populace and killing the majority of the world's population, 495 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: particularly the Christians. The New World Order conspiracy was again 496 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: not inherently anti Semitic or racist, but in practiced most 497 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: expressions of the theory wind up focusing on beliefs that 498 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: a Jewish led all of blacks, homosexuals, Hispanic immigrants, and 499 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: liberals was trying to wipe out all straight white Christian Americans. 500 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: Christian identity believers introduced the term Zionist occupied government or 501 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: ZOG into the lexicon of American fringe politics. It took 502 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: off like wildfire, leading countless Americans on the far right, 503 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: or entering the vocabularies of countless Americans on the far 504 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: right who would never have considered calling themselves a Nazi 505 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: just Zog's Yeah, they would never, Yeah, they never do. 506 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: At first, they never Taylor's old time guys, same thing 507 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: over again. That connection quite that, that's where it's heading. Towards. 508 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: That is where it all heads towards. That's where Alex 509 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: Jones all heads towards. And he has had so many 510 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: Christian identity preachers on his show. They never talk about 511 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: Christian identity, but you look into a ton of these 512 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: guys and it's like, Oh, he's a pastor of a 513 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: Christian identity underlying. Yeah. Right, you present them on the platform, 514 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: and then people watching eventually get into them, and then 515 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: they don't realize what they actually preach, and then they 516 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: get they absorb what they preach, and then yeah, brilliant 517 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: Christianity beliefs happened to mesh perfectly with every other extremist 518 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: belief in the United States. In the late nineteen eighties 519 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: and early nineties, tax protesting became more common. Christian nitinity 520 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: fit in with that too, arguing that paying taxes was 521 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: really just paying for the demonic Jews to carry out 522 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: their white genocide aims even faster. In nine William Luther Pierce, 523 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: a former devotee of Rockwell and head of a Nazi 524 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: group called the National Alliance, wrote this in a newsletter. 525 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is that the New World 526 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: Order people ultimately aimed to create a new world population 527 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: of surfs for their global plantation, a homogeneous population of 528 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: coffee colored surfs, a population of docile, predictable, and interchangeable surfs. 529 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: And they definitely don't want any large reservoir of white 530 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: people anywhere who might rebel. N Now, if you take 531 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: the word white out of that sentiment, it almost word 532 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: for word matches with any one of a thousand rants. 533 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: Alex Jones has gone on Throughout the years under Rockwell. 534 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: The American Nazi Party never numbered more than a few 535 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: dozen real committed members, and its ideas never gained any 536 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: kind of mainstream penetration. But the late nineteen nineties American 537 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: fascists were no less hateful or violent than they'd ever been, 538 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: but their rhetoric had evolved to fit with the deep 539 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: conspiratorial undercurrents sweeping through American society. Rockwell had shotguned out 540 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: hardcore racism, and as a result, he'd only been able 541 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: to recruit a small number of the craziest people in America, 542 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: or I shouldn't say craziest of the worst people in America. 543 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: Uh new American fascism, blended with Christian identity, was capable 544 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: of hiding out in more moderate spaces and luring in 545 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: new believers without waiving a swastika in their faces. Perhaps 546 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: the most potent weapon Christian identity added to the arsenal 547 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: of American fascism was the idea of white genocide. If 548 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: you spent much time studying neo Nazis, you're aware of 549 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: the significance of the number fourteen that stands for the 550 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: fourteen words we must secure the existence of our people 551 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: in the future, for white children. This is the invention 552 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: of David Lane, a neo Nazi bank robber and for 553 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: decades a Christian identity believer. Uh wall Lane was has 554 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: moved on from Christian identity to a weird sort of 555 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: bastardized Norse mythology rip off. Turning this fucking Viking there now? 556 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: Uh He and other Christian identity believers in the eighties 557 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: and nineties were largely responsible for seating the fear of 558 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: white genocide into American fascism. From Tanya Sharp's article quote, 559 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: the identity literature is filled with negative images of white 560 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: women caring for mixed race babies. Race mixing in and 561 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: of itself is a cause for an organized and radical 562 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: plan to separate the races. The National Vanguard magazine, a 563 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: leading pron neo Nazi publication, suggests that the cult of misgenation, 564 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: which according to them, has proliferated over the past thirty years, 565 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: has placed the white race on the precipice of biological extinction. Furthermore, 566 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: they argued that only radical action will end the morality 567 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: of death. Now, the urge to protect white babies and 568 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: ensure the future of the white race inspired a little 569 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: guy named Eric Rudolph to bomb an Alabama abortion clinic 570 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: in nine. Rudolph was a Christian identity believer, and his 571 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: beliefs led him to bomb atlanta As Olympic Park the 572 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: same year, along with a gay nightclub. Rudolph spent more 573 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: than a year hiding in the woods eluding federal agents. 574 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: He killed two and injured more than a hundred and 575 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: twenty people over his almost two year long bombing spury, 576 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: and as we talked about in the introduction to this, 577 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: he also inspired that British bomber who's built a series 578 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: of nail bombs that killed three people and injured dozens more, 579 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: which also inspired the guy who killed Joe Cox. Almost 580 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: like it's a chain reaction, yeah, exactly, Now, Eric Rudolph, 581 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: as I just stated, was not the last person moved 582 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: to violence by this picture of declining white race. Everyone 583 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: listening to this will remember, of course, the two thousand 584 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: nineteen christ Church massacre in which a fascist extremist murdered 585 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: fifty one Muslim worshippers at a New Zealand mosque. That 586 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: shooter did not identify as a Nazi, and a manifesto 587 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: lacked the expected anti Semitic rambling, but he ranted at 588 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: length about the threat of white genocide and what he 589 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 1: called the great replacement. In between those two terrorists are 590 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of other attacks with bits of Christian 591 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: identity DNA coded into them. John Ernest, the Paway Synagogue shooter, 592 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: did not identify himself as a follower of Christian identity theology, 593 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: but accordinated Tablet magazine quote. The manifesto left behind by 594 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: the Patway shooter reads like a hybrid of classical Christian 595 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: anti semitism and contemporary white nationalism. He alternated, within paragraph, 596 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: sometimes within sentences, from charging the Jews with responsibility for 597 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: the death of Jesus and the early Christian Saints to 598 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: declaring that Jews fund politicians and organizations who use mass 599 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: immigration to displace the European race. The document is riddled 600 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: with contradictions and as inarticulate even by white nationalist manifesto standards, 601 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: as it moves between citing the Gospels and the Killer's 602 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: love of Frederic Chopin with explosive hatred towards Jews. But 603 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: what it does evince clearly is a grounding and a 604 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: form of anti Semitism that's equally in debt to older 605 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: Christian traditions and more modern secular variants centered on race 606 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: and soil. Christian identities influence in the fascist rite is 607 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: so deep and so well woven that attacks are now 608 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: carried out by terrorists who have been inspired by its 609 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: tenants without ever learning the words Christian identity. You'll be 610 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: hearing about it regularly throughout the rest of this audio book, 611 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: and I'll be sure to point out wherever groups or 612 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: individuals we discussed or Christian identity believers. But it almost 613 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: isn't necessary. Christian identity is now just part of the 614 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: furniture of American fascism. No matter whether or not it's 615 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: reference directly, it shows up everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's 616 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: always the same, same, kind of shades the same means 617 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: this is fascinating and horrifying. Of course, yeah, this is 618 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: just like the groundwork. We need a delay to really 619 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: get into the story because it's all this stuff that 620 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 1: it's there, like you said, even they don't necessarily know 621 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: where it came from. Or Robert Bowers is kind of rare, 622 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: and that he actually did read in the Christian any philosophy. 623 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: I don't think Ernest ever did. But it's there. That's 624 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: how it's so insidious, Like people believe it, Like you said, 625 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: they start listening to this person talk and like they 626 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: don't on the surface understand that it has all of 627 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: these different layers to it. But then as you get 628 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: drawn in, then you're starting on subconsciously. It's like you 629 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: you don't notice that, like Trump's references to sorrows funding 630 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: the American Caramans and stuff, how that ties into like 631 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: Christian identity, this idea that goes back to like the 632 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: fucking thirties that the Jews are trying to like like 633 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: replace with fund multiculturalism in order to replace all the 634 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: all the nonsense. And if you don't you don't need 635 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: to have read all of this too to like know 636 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: that or believe in it. You just you're just like 637 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: a piece in the the long thread that they got. There, 638 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: my metaphor fell apart. 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