Speaker 1: G gettle boys, it's back and reot it all in
Speaker 1: your mind. Yeah, not deep throating. This is for the streets,
Speaker 1: the real, the real roading, the distant franchise the truth
Speaker 1: to escape gooding, and they ain't knowing we speak the truth,
Speaker 1: so they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North
Speaker 1: South against Code, the GB mike. We're keeping your head
Speaker 1: bobbing and it ain't no stopping and wants to be
Speaker 1: drips head by. And then the system is so corrupt
Speaker 1: they threw the rock out of their heads and then
Speaker 1: blame it on us. Don't get it twisted on Code
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Speaker 1: People's Champ Paul Wall, Ladies and gentlemen. But it dude,
Speaker 1: Paul wold Man, it's good to see you. Yes, likewise, man,
Speaker 1: thank you for having man. Man, what's up with this
Speaker 1: energy you got about yourself? Man? You light that room up. Boy.
Speaker 1: It ain't the go man, It ain't the grie o Man.
Speaker 1: It's it's you, man, it's your. It's your, your presence,
Speaker 1: your persona thank you man, praise praise God for that. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, I think, honestly though, it's something that if
Speaker 1: I was to walk in the room and it'd be empty,
Speaker 1: my energy is different, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: getting out of bed in the morning, it'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I get out of bed. But as soon
Speaker 1: as I don't know I'm around other people, it's just
Speaker 1: something that bringing out of me. And my wife will
Speaker 1: always she get on me because she'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: you'd be in a bad mood till we see other
Speaker 1: people and they don't have to be like somebody who's
Speaker 1: like paula, you know, just a random person. If I
Speaker 1: just bump into a random person who don't have a
Speaker 1: clue who I am, it's just something that energy would
Speaker 1: just come out of me. But when it's just me,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sluggish boy. Man. Man, yeah, man, Let's take
Speaker 1: it all the way back. Let's let's take a walk,
Speaker 1: yeah through Paul Wall's journey. Let's go all the way
Speaker 1: back to Joe Runchtown, Texas. Yes, yeah, walk us through
Speaker 1: a young Paul Slayton. What's that light? Growing up, Well,
Speaker 1: my grandfather was in the military. His family, both my grandparents,
Speaker 1: their family came from North Carolina. But when he joined
Speaker 1: the military, he never looked back, never went back. He uh,
Speaker 1: you know, was stationed all around the world. You know,
Speaker 1: he was in East Germany before the Berlin Wall fell. Uh,
Speaker 1: everywhere from Jerusalem to you know, he was a certain
Speaker 1: Korean War. You know, he was in World War Two
Speaker 1: all over. So my mother, who was born in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty three, she grew up she was born actually in
Speaker 1: El Paso, but you know, grew up all around the world.
Speaker 1: So they landed in Austin or Beaudah, which is like
Speaker 1: right outside of Austin, like ten minutes from sixty Beaudah Buda.
Speaker 1: I thought it was is that Beauda and Texas because
Speaker 1: I thought beau exist. I don't know, it's different. It's
Speaker 1: on beautiful because they get on me because I say
Speaker 1: it wrong. They're like, now you're saying it wrong. You
Speaker 1: gotta say it right. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's right by Kyle.
Speaker 1: It's like ten minutes from sixth Street. It's back then,
Speaker 1: you know what we're going there from six different yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you right now we now we go the different cities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we go to now we're like, man, it's right down
Speaker 1: from sixth Street, man. But yeah, anyway, my mom was pregnant,
Speaker 1: that's where she was at. And I guess the closest
Speaker 1: hospital was in Georgetown, so being born in Georgetown. And
Speaker 1: then my mom she lived right in uh In like
Speaker 1: Hempstead Waller at the time, so she just you know,
Speaker 1: we lived at my grandparents' house out there, you know,
Speaker 1: till I was I don't know, maybe six months old
Speaker 1: or something, and then moved to you know where my
Speaker 1: mom actually lived, which was right and you know, right
Speaker 1: outside of Prayer of You right there and Waller. And
Speaker 1: then when my mom, you know, she was a single
Speaker 1: parent and she met my stepfather, that's when we moved
Speaker 1: really closer into Houston. This one. I was maybe five
Speaker 1: years old, six years old, and we lived right out
Speaker 1: for like two ninety old out there a little closer
Speaker 1: and and and it's what it was, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying village now. It was like Fairbanks almost but
Speaker 1: not quite Jersey. It's like one of the things where
Speaker 1: you're on the outskirts looking in where You're like, damn,
Speaker 1: they got money over here. But then you go a
Speaker 1: little further into your house and you're like, why we
Speaker 1: ain't got no money, Like all the neighborhood we just
Speaker 1: passed up. But it's you know, it's one of the
Speaker 1: things when you get to experience a mixture. You know,
Speaker 1: I lived in a very mixed community, so racially economically
Speaker 1: it was very mixed. So it was you know, Commedia
Speaker 1: lived down the street from it. He was my best friend,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, we grew up best friends, but
Speaker 1: there were also other people, my boyfood, he was viting themes.
Speaker 1: It was all continent, all kind of races and everything.
Speaker 1: But I think economically the mixture is really wood like
Speaker 1: taught me a lot because you would see people who
Speaker 1: came from, you know, all type of wealth, and they
Speaker 1: just had an attitude about themselves. Sometimes it was like
Speaker 1: almost entitled. And then you see people who came from nothing,
Speaker 1: and they would their entitlement was I'm gonna go get it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a way where the other entitlement where
Speaker 1: you you're giving everything. The entitlement is you expect everything
Speaker 1: to be given to you. But when you see people
Speaker 1: like I say, who didn't have anything, they would have
Speaker 1: this attitude about, man, I'm gonna find a way to
Speaker 1: go get it. And you know, hard work was something
Speaker 1: that was instilled into me, you know, at a young age,
Speaker 1: being grateful and you know, just doing your best, you know,
Speaker 1: not coming up with excuses, not complaining, you know, because
Speaker 1: you always, like I said, I could see right there
Speaker 1: clares day, no matter how bad I had it, it
Speaker 1: was somebody across the street who had the worse and
Speaker 1: somebody across the street who had a better. So it's
Speaker 1: like you always are taking like an audit of your
Speaker 1: life of you know, how good I got is it
Speaker 1: better than them? Should I be happy? A lot of
Speaker 1: times you waited with materialistic things. If you get something new,
Speaker 1: or you know, you get showered with gratitude and joy
Speaker 1: and love, and all of a sudden you feel good
Speaker 1: about yourself, or you get something like a some tereialistic
Speaker 1: you feel good about yourself. But you know, when I
Speaker 1: would see the people that would truly be happy, the happiness,
Speaker 1: the joy that they would have, it would be because
Speaker 1: of the people that was around them, not because of
Speaker 1: any materialistic things. You know, of course you're gonna get
Speaker 1: happy if you get a new car or something, or
Speaker 1: you know, something like that's your birthday, you got some
Speaker 1: nice gift or something. But the people that really I
Speaker 1: saw that had the real joy. It was the other
Speaker 1: people around them that brought the joy out, not the
Speaker 1: materialistic things. And usually, man, the people that had the
Speaker 1: most materialists of things, they were also you know, in
Speaker 1: a high stress work environment and life environment, so they
Speaker 1: seemed miserable. They didn't seem happy in their marriages, you know.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They didn't see happy with
Speaker 1: their kids. They didn't seem happy with any part of
Speaker 1: the family, like extended families. And it just was, man,
Speaker 1: you know, you see, which path do I want to
Speaker 1: walk down? Who do I want to be? Like? What
Speaker 1: do I I wouldn't be happy when I grow up?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Which one of these people
Speaker 1: was happy? I'm gonna follow the people that's happy? And
Speaker 1: who did you want to be? Like? Is that particular
Speaker 1: person and in your family or maybe somebody on television
Speaker 1: or radio or whatever. Man, I don't know, Uh, it's tough.
Speaker 1: Maybe my grandfather, you know, he's somebody always looked up
Speaker 1: to and admired. He also somebody man. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: a he was a you know somebody didn't was always
Speaker 1: had a good attitude, and you know, he taught me
Speaker 1: at a very young age. You know, did one time.
Speaker 1: I remember one time, I you know, I asked them
Speaker 1: something like, man, it's anything you don't like, anybody you
Speaker 1: don't like, or anybody you hate like and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate biggots. And so it was something he always
Speaker 1: instilled in me at a young age, like if you
Speaker 1: were biggot under any certain dance and he's not for you.
Speaker 1: What's your granddad name, William? Well? Yeah, rest in peace man, Yeah, William.
Speaker 1: And look the dude fly Ready's name. Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what that's a well, that's a way. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah that's what. Now. Were you an inquisitive kid? What
Speaker 1: did you play sports? I did, but it was one
Speaker 1: of those things where I played it because my friends
Speaker 1: played it. Played t ball. I remember. I remember being
Speaker 1: in kindergarten. I played t ball and I got MVP
Speaker 1: but I was sorry. I was sorry, and I was like, Mama,
Speaker 1: how get MVP? I ain't. I'm sorry I didn't get
Speaker 1: that one hit the whole I'm talking about T ball.
Speaker 1: I'm striking out every time I'm at back, and she
Speaker 1: was like, well, you wanted me to tell you the truth?
Speaker 1: They picked your name out of hat and I was like,
Speaker 1: for real, but I didn't care. I got to you know,
Speaker 1: we want a free trip to pizza. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: that's why I got my name. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, is that they might have had
Speaker 1: to you know what I'm saying. I'm thinking like that.
Speaker 1: But I remember too, like the last game in season
Speaker 1: on T ball. I'm walking and you know, you see
Speaker 1: the next level up when you're walking past them, and
Speaker 1: you know, the life the fast pitch. Even though you
Speaker 1: know I might have been five, they might have been eight,
Speaker 1: it was still like a big step up. And I
Speaker 1: was just walking by, like, man, there ain't no way
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to hit them ball coming that fast.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this might be my last year
Speaker 1: of baseball. And then growing up me and come in there.
Speaker 1: You know, we love basketball, so we would play basketball. Man.
Speaker 1: We'd go to any park. We were fine. Any anyway
Speaker 1: there was some hoops, we would go pull up and
Speaker 1: play basketball, even football. I was always like you know,
Speaker 1: I was athletic, so I was strong or very strong,
Speaker 1: and I had like a you know, good attitude and
Speaker 1: you know, a hard work ethic. So you know, those
Speaker 1: are those are all you know, characteristics that could lead
Speaker 1: you to have a good sports career. But now, I
Speaker 1: just remember when we would lose a game, it'd be
Speaker 1: people crying and I wouldn't care, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe because I had you know, issues going on at
Speaker 1: home in real life. There was like worthy of crying
Speaker 1: about where It's like, you know, we lose a game here,
Speaker 1: it has no effect on my life whatsoever. You know,
Speaker 1: of course I want to win, but I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: I can still you know, this is not gonnaffect whether
Speaker 1: I can eat tonight or yeah, that't gonna pick my name,
Speaker 1: my dad, no matter what. Yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was something I liked that I like the camaraderie
Speaker 1: or sports. I like to you know, the team work
Speaker 1: that was taught. You know, when you're down, you gotta
Speaker 1: you know, fight back and never give up. All those
Speaker 1: type of things. They really they go far, you know
Speaker 1: I'm saying and building character and you know a young
Speaker 1: person who's looking for you know, somewhere looking for a
Speaker 1: direction in life. So it did. It did really provide
Speaker 1: a lot for me either, even though like the athletic
Speaker 1: side of it was like I could you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, They tell you at a young age, you
Speaker 1: could do anything. You know, you want to go to
Speaker 1: the pros, you could do it. You want to go
Speaker 1: be president, you could do it. And I believed it.
Speaker 1: I bought into most of that for the most part.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm just thinking, like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I could work twenty four hours a day
Speaker 1: for the next twenty years. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: going to in the NFL, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to the NBA. I'm
Speaker 1: all right, you know what I'm saying. And if I
Speaker 1: put in every ounce of effort I could do, is
Speaker 1: it possible. It might be possible because you see size wise.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm six foot tall, but size wise, you
Speaker 1: see people that'll be you know, like Spud Web you
Speaker 1: know our generation. You see younger people that would be
Speaker 1: I mean, shorter people that would be like, oh, giggee,
Speaker 1: hope like man. But then I see Spud with dunking
Speaker 1: and stuffing like, Man, I'm dunking like mah man, they
Speaker 1: still dunk. I'm barely I'm barely touching the bottom of
Speaker 1: the backboard, you know what I'm saying. I'm struggling and
Speaker 1: touch the bottom of the net. So I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if this is for me. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm I like the sports, but I would see myself
Speaker 1: more as like you know, That's why I got the
Speaker 1: nickname the water Ball, because I just want to be
Speaker 1: on the team. We're talking about the Astros. Look, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's the lowest position I can be to win a ring?
Speaker 1: If the Astros win the world? Serious? Is it? I know?
Speaker 1: I know I can't be on the Yes, let me
Speaker 1: just be on the winning team. I could be the
Speaker 1: parking attend that. I don't care, man, just let me
Speaker 1: be on the team. Okay, but that's close to me
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be the parking attendant. But
Speaker 1: I do want to be on the team. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I will be that. I'm that dude that will I
Speaker 1: will die for the loose ball and bust my head
Speaker 1: to me to get that ball to help us. That's me.
Speaker 1: I hold the most dangerous player on the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't pass me the ball on the open lady. Those
Speaker 1: five yeah, you need those five fives. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Don't don't put me at
Speaker 1: the free throw line with the game online. But if
Speaker 1: you need me to give a foul, I do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You need me to go to take some files now right,
Speaker 1: it's it six five yeah, so you need those six fives.
Speaker 1: Put me in the game. But also you know, if
Speaker 1: I need to pass the ball, if I need to,
Speaker 1: if if you need to take me out the game, yeah,
Speaker 1: put somebody in better help us win. I'll be on
Speaker 1: the sideline with you. Come on, you get what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I want to win. That's me, man, that's me all day. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: you mentioned Chameleonaire, and it's hard to mention you what
Speaker 1: I can what I mentioned in Chamillionaires, just like it's
Speaker 1: hard to mention me what I mentioned and get oh boys,
Speaker 1: you know a scarface of Bushwick, right? You know you
Speaker 1: guys are synonymous, you know, like and y'all joined at
Speaker 1: the hip. Ye. At what point did you and Chameleonaire
Speaker 1: decide that you wanted to pursue a career in hip hop.
Speaker 1: I remember being a young age, you know, I know
Speaker 1: him since I was about six years old, five years old, uh,
Speaker 1: And I remember maybe even as far back as that,
Speaker 1: you know, just being on the school bus freestyling, you know,
Speaker 1: being at the lunch table, everybody rapping. Everybody freestyle and
Speaker 1: it wasn't something that that I did. It was something
Speaker 1: that everybody did. So if you know, as it's going
Speaker 1: around the table, you know it's coming to you, so
Speaker 1: you better, you know, be prepared. And I always had
Speaker 1: a knack for it. Comina always had a knack for it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what kind of let it we shine.
Speaker 1: Every time we would freestyle do something, we shine, and
Speaker 1: it just, you know, the doors opened up for us.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean like industry wise or record label
Speaker 1: wise or something like that. I just mean just just
Speaker 1: the doors opened up for us to show us that
Speaker 1: this could be a career path if we if we
Speaker 1: put our hard into it, and we put our you know,
Speaker 1: hard work at it. Like I said, all of these characterists,
Speaker 1: we put all that into it, this could be a
Speaker 1: career path. And that's when you know I brought into
Speaker 1: the well shit, I could do whatever I want to
Speaker 1: I can achieve whatever I want to in life. And
Speaker 1: he started looking around and say, well, it ain't. Nobody
Speaker 1: been from my neighborhood had been a professional rapper. But
Speaker 1: then you look at it too, like, okay, man, hip
Speaker 1: hop still as a genre art form and still relatively
Speaker 1: young even in them days. I remember, you know, watching
Speaker 1: MTV or other whatever, and they would just treat hip
Speaker 1: hop like it was a step child or the music
Speaker 1: industry like, oh, that's a cool, little fat job guy
Speaker 1: going on there, but it's gonna be out of here
Speaker 1: in five years, like you know, you know, as the
Speaker 1: styles of hip hop change, you know, you'll see some
Speaker 1: people that will be like, man, I can't wait till
Speaker 1: this era hip hop's over, you know, because of whatever
Speaker 1: they don't like. Maybe they don't like, you know, how
Speaker 1: the beats are or the subject matter or whatever. But
Speaker 1: it will be people to, man, I can't wait till
Speaker 1: this era hip hop is over. They go to that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of seemed how it was like for the
Speaker 1: other genres of music. They were like, man, I can't
Speaker 1: I can't wait till this fad of music hip hop
Speaker 1: is over and we can get back to rock and
Speaker 1: everything whatever else. They were into. But I never you know,
Speaker 1: I always saw beyond that, like, no, this is uh,
Speaker 1: this is not gonna be Maybe maybe it's temporary for
Speaker 1: man mainstream stay, but now a hip hop is not
Speaker 1: going anywhere just because it was none the people that
Speaker 1: that had a love for it. It wasn't just you know,
Speaker 1: a casual you just listen to some musics, you like.
Speaker 1: It was a passion where when you listen to something
Speaker 1: hip hop wise, you are proud of it and you
Speaker 1: feel an obligation to put other people onto it. Man, really,
Speaker 1: did you heard this new song? I got right? Man,
Speaker 1: look look at it. You know, not my own person,
Speaker 1: but you heard this song I heard just on this mixtape,
Speaker 1: this verse somebody did you know freestyle? Man? You gotta
Speaker 1: hear that boy went off? You know, you just feel
Speaker 1: obligated to put other people onto dope music. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I always I never thought I would have
Speaker 1: a career as an artist, but I always thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna be on the team. Yeah, so that I
Speaker 1: was like, man, you know, my dream at the time
Speaker 1: was to be a DJ, you know, because personally I
Speaker 1: didn't like the mainstream music out here. I like the
Speaker 1: you know, the deep cuts on the album or the
Speaker 1: B sides. Oh you know. I would listen to an
Speaker 1: album and now I have my favorite song, Man, this
Speaker 1: song jamming, and then it'd be the song you hear
Speaker 1: on the radio or you see on TV, and it'd
Speaker 1: be like, it wouldn't be the same song. The song
Speaker 1: you see on TV and the radio is not the
Speaker 1: song that I would be like, man, why are they
Speaker 1: not playing this this song jamming? So as a DJ,
Speaker 1: I could control what I play. I would just play
Speaker 1: what I want to hear, whatever I want to hear,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna play. So I would, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever I'm normally listening to in my car whatever, that's
Speaker 1: what I would play what I'm DJ and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be necessarily the same things it is on the radio.
Speaker 1: But that was just that passion of just loving, you know,
Speaker 1: hip hopping. That was my dream, dream goal was to
Speaker 1: be a DJ. And even beyond that was like, okay,
Speaker 1: what else can I do? I love promotions, passing out flyers,
Speaker 1: doing marketing things like that. So it was something that
Speaker 1: was that was that was my entrance into the hip
Speaker 1: hop industry. The rap industry was doing street promotions, passing
Speaker 1: out flyers the scrubs. It even before that. This is
Speaker 1: when I started doing this. It was for I first
Speaker 1: first started off. Actually it was for Switch Out of fourteen,
Speaker 1: and they used to do parties. Michael Watson run see
Speaker 1: smooth Gee. They would do parties at the All Star.
Speaker 1: This place called the All Star. It was like a
Speaker 1: sports complex, like batting cages and stuff like that arcade
Speaker 1: and they throw parties. Though. It's right by my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: so they throw parties there on like Friday nights, like
Speaker 1: high school parties. So I would go to the parties,
Speaker 1: but they would never pass out flyers at my school.
Speaker 1: At school I went to was Jersey Village. I would
Speaker 1: always know about it. My god sister went to Eisenhower,
Speaker 1: so we see the flyers at Eisenhower and I'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: I'd go up to Michael Watson run see man, Hey,
Speaker 1: how come you ain't got no flyers going around these
Speaker 1: other schools. And they'd be like, well, we don't know
Speaker 1: nobody in the schools. A pap man let me pass
Speaker 1: out the flyers. And it was like all right, you know,
Speaker 1: don't pass them out, go ahead. And then it got
Speaker 1: to the point where I would make my own flyers
Speaker 1: for the events. And it was just high school, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't like, you know, like it wasn't like a
Speaker 1: you know, Draking concert and I'm making them own. Hey,
Speaker 1: Drake comes, I'm making my flyer for it. This is
Speaker 1: just some high school party type stuff. So I'll make
Speaker 1: my own flyers. Go to Kinko's, get him pressed up,
Speaker 1: pass him out of my school or whatever other schools
Speaker 1: I'd go to. Uh, we had to track NICs, basketball games, whatever.
Speaker 1: I passed out the fliers. And then when Friday night
Speaker 1: would come around, you see people from my school or
Speaker 1: the schools I went to there and they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's working, the fliers are working. And actually, at that time,
Speaker 1: I went to school with ug I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I went to church with og run See, with his uh,
Speaker 1: his mom, his stepdad, his sisters, me, and his cousin
Speaker 1: with best friends. He gave me. Even one gave me
Speaker 1: the nickname Powall, so they you know, that was kind
Speaker 1: of my boy Brandy Sykes, my boy b Sykes and
Speaker 1: fact we worked at we were working at James Cone
Speaker 1: Island at the time, and I would just be in
Speaker 1: a freestyle and rapping, and he just would I would say, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you Powa. You know a Houston thing.
Speaker 1: Everybody every name rhyme. You know, Kiki, Poyo, screw Zoo,
Speaker 1: he got, you know, so he's like, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get your nickname Powa. I think he might have knew
Speaker 1: somebody that he like went to school who actually had
Speaker 1: the name Paul Wall and he was like, Nah, your
Speaker 1: name pot now you Powall. So I used to hate
Speaker 1: it because at the time I had a rap name.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. My rap name was a
Speaker 1: kpe Crusader, Overflow, Overflow the kpe Crusader. So Pola got
Speaker 1: a little nice, a little ring to it, but Overflow
Speaker 1: the kpe Crusade was like, Man, that's the name I'm
Speaker 1: trying to push. And then we'd be at the parties
Speaker 1: and ron C would be like, hey, b Sykes in there,
Speaker 1: what's your boy name? Go church? My MoMA Powall in here,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, man, don't say Pawa man, because
Speaker 1: people to go to my school they don't know mis
Speaker 1: paw even as Paul Slayton. So you're you're getting shout
Speaker 1: out man, he said, Paula, he ain't say you. You
Speaker 1: ain't pop man. I'd be like, oh man, shit, don't
Speaker 1: don't say po Man, ain't know me. It's some mill man.
Speaker 1: They say the Kate Crusay overflow man. Hell no, ain't
Speaker 1: saying that. Pall in here and I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 1: everywhere I go be Sykes, Hey, this my boy po Man.
Speaker 1: Quit telling people that's my name. And then I go
Speaker 1: somewhere without them they powa, what's up? And then be
Speaker 1: like a true nickname man, one of the ones you
Speaker 1: don't like to stick with you and everybody called but
Speaker 1: it's stuck. But I just I don't know, man. I
Speaker 1: saw a career path in hip hop as a DJ,
Speaker 1: doing street promotions, marketing, and it was just I just
Speaker 1: loved hip hop. I want to be a part of
Speaker 1: some type of way, and when they let me pass
Speaker 1: out the flyers, that took me to another level where
Speaker 1: I would then go to the college parties and they'd
Speaker 1: be like, because at the high school parties, the record
Speaker 1: labels would come, they'd have representatives there. They would be like,
Speaker 1: because it's a straight high school environment, they'd be you know,
Speaker 1: want to they want to tap into the high school
Speaker 1: environment to to promote whatever artists. If Willie D got
Speaker 1: an album coming out, okay, it'd be Rapple out in
Speaker 1: the house promoting it. Willie D got an album coming out,
Speaker 1: So I would see people from record labels, they're doing
Speaker 1: promotions and I would just hey, man, how can I
Speaker 1: get down with you? My boy five four, my boy Ace,
Speaker 1: my boy Lump, and they would, you know, Lump and
Speaker 1: as they would handled like the big big accounts like
Speaker 1: Universal Deaf Jam, no limit, you know, cash money and
Speaker 1: real priority. So this is anything. This hip hop was
Speaker 1: coming through them. And of course if you do marketing,
Speaker 1: you're always looking for a good flyer, passler outer, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I was the guy. Now I
Speaker 1: gotta ask you this. I gotta ask you this, and
Speaker 1: this is this is very relative to anybody who's ever
Speaker 1: passed out flyers. Have you ever dumped the box of fliers? Man?
Speaker 1: Never I would do. I would do this with my
Speaker 1: homeboy and he would dump the flyers and I'd be like, bro,
Speaker 1: there's somebody gonna find it. Man, they're gonna come it's
Speaker 1: gonna come back on us. And he'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna find out, they're gonna know. And he
Speaker 1: dumped like a whole boxing and leave like a little
Speaker 1: stack and just passed them out like he's still doing it,
Speaker 1: but now not me because I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: I was always talking about my mama that God's always watching.
Speaker 1: Guys always watching, so you can you know, you might
Speaker 1: get scam somebody or get over on your parents to
Speaker 1: teach you, but gods always watching, and then that KRM
Speaker 1: are gonna come back. So I would always just want
Speaker 1: to do right, not because I'm being seen and I'm
Speaker 1: doing right, but because it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: So I felt like I really bought into that really, like,
Speaker 1: man if I do good, it's gonna come back. If
Speaker 1: bad happens to me, that's all right. You gotta you know,
Speaker 1: Grinn and Bared fight through it, keep a positive attitude,
Speaker 1: and the reverse is gonna happen. Good it's gonna start
Speaker 1: to come come to you. You know. You know, some people,
Speaker 1: especially this day in the day, I see a lot
Speaker 1: of people who like match energy, like are you gonna
Speaker 1: be a whole? Fucking I'm gonna be a whole too.
Speaker 1: But I mean I've always felt like there's more power
Speaker 1: in just maintaining a level head. You know, if if
Speaker 1: you keeping even killed, you know, a demeanor about yourself,
Speaker 1: because if all it takes to set you off is
Speaker 1: just some random person to come up to you and
Speaker 1: say a few words and then they set you off
Speaker 1: and you didn't shot somebody or stab or kill somebody
Speaker 1: or cut somebody, or or even if they just took
Speaker 1: your energy and all of a sudden you're having a
Speaker 1: horrible day because they said some words to you. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're giving them all the power. I
Speaker 1: feel powerless. If that's all it takes, somebody got to
Speaker 1: come up and say some words to me, then I
Speaker 1: have no power over my energy. I'm giving the whole
Speaker 1: world power. The voice reloaded podcasts will keep right back
Speaker 1: after the support. Is there anything that somebody could say
Speaker 1: that could get under your skin enough, that could trigger
Speaker 1: you enough to make you want to cause them bodily on?
Speaker 1: Definitely it's happening in the past, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: the situations you learn from and you just really try
Speaker 1: to you understand, especially today's day and age with everything
Speaker 1: in social media, based, cloud based, you captured on video troll,
Speaker 1: you know, type of thing. So I'm prepared for it now.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you keep like I say, if
Speaker 1: you keep a cool, calm demeanor. I'm not saying, let
Speaker 1: somebody just cold come up and disrespect you and just
Speaker 1: completely disrespect you, and you know, or let somebody just
Speaker 1: handle you. But I mean, you know, if it says
Speaker 1: a lot more about a person, if if they talk
Speaker 1: crazy to you and you just don't care, I'm bothered
Speaker 1: by it. You know, then whether they say something to
Speaker 1: you and you just all ready to fight whatever. And
Speaker 1: then I got a lot of friends like that. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of my friends, they never left the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: never left, never went to the other side of the town.
Speaker 1: You know. I grew up on the north side, So
Speaker 1: a lot of people I grew up with the only
Speaker 1: time they ever went to the south side was to
Speaker 1: go to Asterworld. You know what I'm saying. That's it
Speaker 1: Aster World. Anything else, Nope, they're not going same same likewise.
Speaker 1: You know, my boy Goo, he grew up in South Park.
Speaker 1: When I met him, he would not go past the Galeria.
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember one time my car got flooded
Speaker 1: out on two eighty eight Homes Road and I needed
Speaker 1: to ride back to ACA's home, and he was like,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you to the galleria, but you got to
Speaker 1: find away from there because they ain't going past the Gallerria.
Speaker 1: I'm south side of a life and not even like
Speaker 1: come on, man, we got to get past this man.
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, it's just high so to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, any of this type of stuff was something
Speaker 1: that you know, you keep an open mind about. You
Speaker 1: just try to keep up, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: be even killed about it. Try not to let people
Speaker 1: get under your skin on certain things. And you know,
Speaker 1: and and you live and you learn. Man, you know
Speaker 1: that south side north side thing I'd be hearing about.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know we were supposed to not like
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, I didn't even know, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: like I found out like years later I'm talking about
Speaker 1: like I was like, damn, we've been hating each other
Speaker 1: for five years now. I didn't even know. I didn't know,
Speaker 1: like because I've never I've never looked at the south
Speaker 1: side of Houston like it was a different world, Like
Speaker 1: it was different, like the people on the south side
Speaker 1: with different people, right, I looked at the south stiwn
Speaker 1: of course we have some subtle differences amongst us, or
Speaker 1: some people might say some some some hard differences. But
Speaker 1: we all acetown. I look at it Ashtown like it's Acetown.
Speaker 1: So when I moved around and I move around with
Speaker 1: these within these city limits, this is my city, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I don't think of any
Speaker 1: part of Houston that's off limits to me. I don't
Speaker 1: think of any part of Texas that's said the United States,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I just feel that way.
Speaker 1: But especially you know, the city that I laid my
Speaker 1: head in, I never got I never got on that
Speaker 1: North Side, south side bullshit that you know, East West,
Speaker 1: I don't, Yeah, I never I always started with city. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it's like dividing conqueror
Speaker 1: scare tactics of just trying to they're different than you,
Speaker 1: so you're not supposed to like them. They live over there,
Speaker 1: We live here, so we're not supposed to like them.
Speaker 1: And then you know, it get to be, well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go take their girls. They gonna you know, they
Speaker 1: trying to take our girl. We're gonna go take their girl,
Speaker 1: you know, And then they goes from that to man,
Speaker 1: I used to have some people I knew that we
Speaker 1: still cars on the north side. They front the north side.
Speaker 1: They were still cars, but they were still cars on
Speaker 1: the north they front the north side. Was still cars
Speaker 1: on the north side. And then you find a car
Speaker 1: banning somewhere with everything taking off of it, and they
Speaker 1: spray paint south Side on it, or vice versas they
Speaker 1: go to the south side steal a car and spray
Speaker 1: paint north Side on it. But they from the south side,
Speaker 1: and they do it just to make you think it
Speaker 1: was somebody else, and even know it's somebody from right
Speaker 1: around the corners. But people that that behave that way
Speaker 1: to me, they think small. Right. There are artists not
Speaker 1: just in Houston but around this country who are singularly,
Speaker 1: singularly focused on being hot in the neighborhood. They don't
Speaker 1: even care about what's going on outside of their block,
Speaker 1: their neighborhood. They just want to be the top dog
Speaker 1: in their neighborhood. They want to be the top dog
Speaker 1: in the city. They only think city citywide. That's it like.
Speaker 1: And my thoughts is like, okay, well, what's the highest plateau, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the apex? That's what I'm gonna like who is
Speaker 1: the competition? I never I looked at everybody, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, not to Houston, Texas, not the South everybody.
Speaker 1: So when people started talking that, even when people started
Speaker 1: talking that South stuff, you know the South this, and
Speaker 1: you know the East Coast this, and what's trying to
Speaker 1: put the South in the box? Like na partner, like Andre,
Speaker 1: we got something to say, Yeah, yeah, we got something
Speaker 1: to say. You you say you took the name Paul
Speaker 1: Wall and ran with it. There's a lot of artists
Speaker 1: today who have started started to use their actual government names.
Speaker 1: Do you ever have any regret that you didn't use
Speaker 1: your government name like slavena slave dope? You know, like yeah,
Speaker 1: not really say you know, nah, I mean it wasn't
Speaker 1: There was my stepdad, last name, and my biological father.
Speaker 1: You know. I didn't really feel a connection to him,
Speaker 1: and I hadn't seen him since I was like four
Speaker 1: or five years old. He was a drug addict, he
Speaker 1: addicted to hero when. He was not somebody that I
Speaker 1: would aspire to be or like that I would look
Speaker 1: up to. And he's still alive, I think he is,
Speaker 1: but he's not somebody I ever want to to see
Speaker 1: he was a child molester man when actually when the
Speaker 1: last time my parents got divorced and I would see
Speaker 1: him on the weekends, So you supposed, you know, your
Speaker 1: parents get divorced to see him like maybe every other weekend,
Speaker 1: once a month something like that. Well that would be
Speaker 1: like that would turn into like once every six months,
Speaker 1: and then that would turn into okay, maybe once or
Speaker 1: twice a year. And then I remember at some point,
Speaker 1: it's probably when I was see where it was I had.
Speaker 1: I was probably in kindergarten, the first grade, right around
Speaker 1: it was before I wasn't second grade, And I'm just
Speaker 1: basing this off of the school I was at. But
Speaker 1: I you know, he went't kidnapped, the girl married her,
Speaker 1: He quote unquote married her, but she was like twelve
Speaker 1: years old, uh, and then took it to Canada, and
Speaker 1: I didn't seen him since that's the last time I've
Speaker 1: seen him. So it's one of the things where shid,
Speaker 1: I don't want to have nothing to do with him,
Speaker 1: so the ain't no way I'm gonna claim his name
Speaker 1: or none of it. And then when that happened too,
Speaker 1: his whole family, like any of his relatives, you know,
Speaker 1: they from my perspective, they turned it back on it.
Speaker 1: It was just me and my sister and my mama
Speaker 1: and my grandparents who lived and my grandparents live in Austin,
Speaker 1: but it was just me and my sister and my mama.
Speaker 1: You know, they turned that back on y'all because they
Speaker 1: were in denial or they were they didn't like the
Speaker 1: fact that you guys wanted to hold him accountable. Or
Speaker 1: was it just the fact that he turned his back
Speaker 1: so they turned that back. I think a little bit
Speaker 1: of all of the above. He was kind of like
Speaker 1: the black sheep with the family or his family, so
Speaker 1: they already kind of didn't fool with them too much.
Speaker 1: And then you know, and that's why, you know, it's
Speaker 1: something that you grow older. You as a kid, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was how I blamed all of them, man, all
Speaker 1: of them. Man, they left us hanging. But as you
Speaker 1: get older, you know, it's like nuances when you know,
Speaker 1: people to get divorced, and it's it's tough sometimes when
Speaker 1: the family want to reach out but they can or
Speaker 1: whatever these type of things. But you know, my mama
Speaker 1: is one of them. Mama's just like the sweetest, nicest
Speaker 1: people you would ever meet on earth. You know, just
Speaker 1: people like that sometimes you meet and she's one of
Speaker 1: them where she literally wouldn't hurt a fly, like if
Speaker 1: there was an aunt's crawling on it, she wouldn't kill
Speaker 1: them because she think they got spirits and she don't
Speaker 1: want to kill her at creature. You know, she one
Speaker 1: of them type of people. So she I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: she one of them people where it's like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: you get into it with her, it ain't hurt. It
Speaker 1: ain't on her. You know what I'm saying. She one
Speaker 1: of them type of people. So it's like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but so I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much of that they knew or whatever. All I
Speaker 1: know is we had bills that needed to be paid.
Speaker 1: My mom's a single parent. She as a teacher. You know,
Speaker 1: she was a teacher for thirty years. Teachers we all
Speaker 1: know they don't get paid. So it was she would
Speaker 1: be kind of looking for help, and you know, my
Speaker 1: biological father wouldn't provide it, you know, his family wouldn't
Speaker 1: provide it. Then later on, come to find it. I
Speaker 1: just found this out like maybe twenty seventeen. I asked
Speaker 1: my mom just because you know, it's something, you know,
Speaker 1: I personally just move on from, like I trying to
Speaker 1: think about it harp on even as a kid. You know,
Speaker 1: it's all right, I'm not gonna let this define who
Speaker 1: I am. I'm gonna go out and be somebody with
Speaker 1: my life. You know, I'm not gonna think about this
Speaker 1: every day. If I do think about it, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the fuel me. But not on some I'm gonna
Speaker 1: prove them wrong type of thing, you know, nothing like that,
Speaker 1: just on something. I was a very firm believer in
Speaker 1: that God had a plan for me and that everything
Speaker 1: that happens in my life is just an ingredient to
Speaker 1: go into the recipe of whatever the plan is. So
Speaker 1: you take one of them small ingredients out and it
Speaker 1: just don't taste the same. You know, you add too
Speaker 1: much of an ingredient, it's also not gonna taste the same.
Speaker 1: So I just was like, Okay, hey God, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: follow this path you pointed direction, and I'm gonna follow.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ask questions. So that's that's how it was.
Speaker 1: But for for you know, like I said, I never
Speaker 1: had any intention of using his name, But like I said,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I guess I just found this out recently,
Speaker 1: and it's like, damn, I don't know how to feel
Speaker 1: about this. You know, we grew up. We didn't have
Speaker 1: no money, you know, like I say, we had more
Speaker 1: than something. We had a lot less than a lot
Speaker 1: of others. You know what I'm saying. But it ain't
Speaker 1: the uh. You know, I'm not trying to get into
Speaker 1: the poor Olympics, like, oh I had it worse than
Speaker 1: all this. Deep I was silver medal in the poor
Speaker 1: olymp No, no, no, no, So I'm not gonna complain
Speaker 1: none of that. Whatever I had, I'm grateful that I had,
Speaker 1: you know, even if it was small. But then I
Speaker 1: find out later on in life my biological grandfather or
Speaker 1: great grandfather was some type of oil tycoon, was like
Speaker 1: man supermoti mean, like almost big there, And I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: what And we grew up like this? Where was y'all
Speaker 1: a like man and like? And then that's when I
Speaker 1: really started feeling like, I don't know, he starts to
Speaker 1: seep in like almost anger of like, damn, man, y'all
Speaker 1: really left for us hanging like that. Man, y'all really
Speaker 1: left us out there like that. But then I see
Speaker 1: I think of a sense of gratitude of growing up
Speaker 1: to what I did because I've seen people who had
Speaker 1: it all and how they turned out. Like I said,
Speaker 1: when the jump, they weren't happy. Most of the time,
Speaker 1: they weren't happy, or if it was it was you know,
Speaker 1: fleeting where they happy for the moment, and then right
Speaker 1: after that they stretched out and miserable, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think about all the things that I do have,
Speaker 1: even though compared to what I could have had, you know,
Speaker 1: what I did have wasn't much. I'm still so grateful
Speaker 1: for the things I had, and it had a tremendous
Speaker 1: impact on me being grateful now, like grateful for what
Speaker 1: I have now. But when my mom married my stepfather,
Speaker 1: that's when they started to get a little bit better.
Speaker 1: We got two incomes, you know, we uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we went from you know, lower to the middle class,
Speaker 1: and you know, then to lower and lower middle class
Speaker 1: and it's okay, just middle class and okay, we're kind
Speaker 1: of coming up here, you're making some money, and it
Speaker 1: was okay. That's when you really get to be appreciative
Speaker 1: and you see the journey, the hard work, or where
Speaker 1: we are to where we're you know, how far we've
Speaker 1: come to where we want to go. And it's just
Speaker 1: it's one of those things, you know, and your kid,
Speaker 1: you think stuff fall out the sky in your lap.
Speaker 1: You should think people rich and oh he rich, Oh
Speaker 1: let me ask some money, and now I'm rich too,
Speaker 1: And it don't work like that. You gotta put in
Speaker 1: years and years and years of training of hard work
Speaker 1: for whatever you want to do, and you put out
Speaker 1: the energy that you want to get back. And if
Speaker 1: you put out the energy or you want to quick
Speaker 1: come up or you want to get over on people,
Speaker 1: then somebody're gonna have a quick come up and they're
Speaker 1: gonna get over on you. If you put out there
Speaker 1: that you want to you know, you're willing to put
Speaker 1: in the hard work, take the time to really learn
Speaker 1: whatever trade you're trying to do. For me, it was
Speaker 1: hip hop or whatever, you know, whatever else I had
Speaker 1: going on. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna do right
Speaker 1: by people. And if some bad happened by circumstance, dance
Speaker 1: or accident, man, I'm just gonna. I'm gonna eat the
Speaker 1: bullet just so that we can have peace and we
Speaker 1: can get prosy. Somebody trying to get old on it's different.
Speaker 1: But if you know, it's if something happened and it's
Speaker 1: nobody's filed or you know, we're gonna make it work.
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a I've always tried to be a
Speaker 1: problem solver, you know, whatever the situation might be. But
Speaker 1: now that last name, I don't know. Power always Uh
Speaker 1: that's something too, that's like, man, maybe he should I
Speaker 1: change my name the power. That's some I'm gonna change
Speaker 1: my name too, like change my biological name. I had
Speaker 1: to change it once when my mom waa remarried. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna change it again. I thought about it here and there,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I got changed kids. Yeah, changed
Speaker 1: kid's name all that. Yeah, go to voice. Reloaded podcasts
Speaker 1: will keep right back after the point apparently you uh well,
Speaker 1: I would say obviously that you can't be responsible for
Speaker 1: the actions that you're parent take, right, But do anybody
Speaker 1: ever try to like label you because of the actions
Speaker 1: of your dad. Did he ever try to like throw
Speaker 1: that in your face and say, oh, your dad this
Speaker 1: or you probably this or whatever. Whatever. Definitely, man, just
Speaker 1: from the first time I ever mentioned it, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's not something that I just go around just telling people.
Speaker 1: But as you get older, you realize there are other
Speaker 1: people who experienced similar childhood or they something something you know,
Speaker 1: where it's somewhat similar, and they also are shamed of it.
Speaker 1: Now I grow my whole life are saying to my
Speaker 1: biological father to things he did. These are horrible things
Speaker 1: that you know, you hear about this, Like, man, that's
Speaker 1: where I came from. You think, is that who I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be? You know? So I've my whole life making sure, Man,
Speaker 1: I am never gonna do that. You know, the type
Speaker 1: of things he did, you know, but definitely, like I said,
Speaker 1: the first time I spoke out about it, you know,
Speaker 1: from there as people all kind of you know, kind
Speaker 1: of me, all kind of name like I decent, I
Speaker 1: ain't doing it, did it? I'm exposing him for doing it?
Speaker 1: You know, what were you talking about? But you know, again,
Speaker 1: I think those are some of it. Is like you know,
Speaker 1: the scare tactics people have of trying to get people
Speaker 1: to shut up and not talk about stuff, because if
Speaker 1: you just don't talk about it, then you don't realize
Speaker 1: it goes on, you know, And if you don't realize,
Speaker 1: it goes on, and it can keep going on right
Speaker 1: under your nose. And but you know, I feel also
Speaker 1: a sense of like a shame from him doing it,
Speaker 1: but also just because of the age I was. I
Speaker 1: was so young at the time, like, damn, like is
Speaker 1: this something I a matter of fact, the the girl
Speaker 1: my father, my biological father, kidnapbum when we would go
Speaker 1: see him on the weekends, she was twelve years old.
Speaker 1: She'd be over there. You know, I'm five years old,
Speaker 1: so she twelve. To me, that's a grown up, you know.
Speaker 1: You you see a twelve year old with a wig
Speaker 1: on to make up, dressed like a grown up, that's
Speaker 1: a grown up. You're not a question. She had a
Speaker 1: you know, full grown wig makeup, dressed like a grown person.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, this's my new girlfriend whatever. And I'm
Speaker 1: We're just like okay, you know, I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: known as a child, you know, a kid. But you
Speaker 1: I feel like, damn, man, how could I've not known?
Speaker 1: What should I say? You know, well, who I'm gonna tell?
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, mam and daddy got a new girlfriend.
Speaker 1: You know, like even then, like my mom wouldn't have known,
Speaker 1: Oh you got a girlfriend? He a grown man? You
Speaker 1: know why wouldn't he have a girlfriend, But you're not
Speaker 1: thinking it's a child. But even you know, I think
Speaker 1: for me to this particular girl, man, when they ended up,
Speaker 1: they went to Canada and they got caught or something happened.
Speaker 1: They got caught, they came back to America. When they
Speaker 1: came back to America, this girl killed herself. So it's like, man,
Speaker 1: this shit is to me, I feel like, damn. You know,
Speaker 1: you think like, okay, any change of action might have
Speaker 1: changed the whole course of her life. So if she
Speaker 1: you never know, even as a fire ye old, what
Speaker 1: am I supposed to say? What am I going to say?
Speaker 1: But damn you I feel like a sense of guilt
Speaker 1: of damn, I should have known because you know, as
Speaker 1: a as a growing up. Now you see a twelve
Speaker 1: year old in a wig, Man, that's a twelveyear old.
Speaker 1: Ain't that sets a grown up? That sets a grown up?
Speaker 1: Put that on you, bro? Yeah, I know that. But
Speaker 1: you know it's that's that's that's so viraltle. More so
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like, damn man, this is
Speaker 1: and then it being that it was my actual biological father.
Speaker 1: But it's that's why it's said that sense a shame
Speaker 1: of man, I nil will take on his name. Man,
Speaker 1: you can't put that on yourself, and likewise, nobody else
Speaker 1: can put that on you. And for all you uncivilized
Speaker 1: much out there, they count trying all you uncivilized much
Speaker 1: out there we ever tried to pain something like that
Speaker 1: that man's uh, you know, father's actions on him. You know,
Speaker 1: every last one of y'all going to hell in a
Speaker 1: hand basket, see a lot of times. Man. This is
Speaker 1: why I think it's important to be very very careful
Speaker 1: of the information that you put out there, because the
Speaker 1: uncivilized much of world will take that information and they'll
Speaker 1: try to use it against you, you know, like even
Speaker 1: when you're trying to help somebody, even you see, what
Speaker 1: you did was very honorable if you put that information
Speaker 1: out that because there's other people that are living that
Speaker 1: that life, that has the similar experiences, and they need
Speaker 1: to know that it's people like you can come from
Speaker 1: the absolute worst of humankind and they can turn out
Speaker 1: like you. You know, because I don't know anybody that
Speaker 1: don't like Paula. I'm coming. Sure you got your enemies,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying and just general general conversations or whatever,
Speaker 1: I've never heard somebody say anything bad about pa Wa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've overheard people say bad shit about me more often.
Speaker 1: You know, so so so so you you're a good dude, bro,
Speaker 1: and you know you should absolutely not feeling any type
Speaker 1: of shame when somebody's trying to put that something like
Speaker 1: that on you. That's another way of blaming the victim,
Speaker 1: because you are also victimized by having to live with
Speaker 1: that burden of having a father, you know, who is
Speaker 1: a child molested. You know, this guy's it's one of
Speaker 1: the worst, right, So you also a victim, and for
Speaker 1: somebody to not realize that shows you how uncivilized they are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it said that, you know this happened, and you know, so,
Speaker 1: like I said, my whole life, I've always been on
Speaker 1: a path of I'm not gonna do that. So whatever
Speaker 1: he did, it made him do that? Was it? Drugs?
Speaker 1: Was it? He was alcoholic? Was it? Because he was molested?
Speaker 1: He was molested also by a pastor when he was young,
Speaker 1: which probably started the path of him to do that
Speaker 1: because a lot of times the victims, yeah, exactly. You know,
Speaker 1: although you know it's that's also a touchy subject because
Speaker 1: then people who have been molested, instantly get pointed as
Speaker 1: is there the molester. You're gonna do it too because
Speaker 1: you were molested, and it's that's completely unfair. But you know,
Speaker 1: miss Parker, I got a chance to, you know, a
Speaker 1: long time ago, work with Miss Parker passing predator and
Speaker 1: when she approached me to help her do some one time,
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, yeah, I'd love to do something
Speaker 1: with this, Like just because of my background, I always
Speaker 1: wanted to be an advocate for children or especially hurt
Speaker 1: children of children who are victims of predators, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So Ever since she came to me, I think that
Speaker 1: might have been like two thousand and twelve, two thousand
Speaker 1: and eleven, some time around then. Man, I've been Man,
Speaker 1: we do stuff all the time, when she do stuff
Speaker 1: all the time anyway, But I'm doing stuff with her
Speaker 1: all the time, just being an advocate. But even then,
Speaker 1: you know you will see something and every nine and
Speaker 1: something else say oh yeah, yeah, you know, Paul, you
Speaker 1: know you'll your child molester just like his daddy. Like, man, god, damn,
Speaker 1: what you mean I'm gonna be advocating for kids. We should, man,
Speaker 1: we should talking about But to me, I think that
Speaker 1: just be the you know, the ignorance some people have,
Speaker 1: but you know, you gotta fight through that too. If
Speaker 1: you really want to be an advocate for children and people,
Speaker 1: you got to realize that there are people, sometimes extremely powerful,
Speaker 1: people like you know, the Epsteins of the world or whatever,
Speaker 1: who have money, power, reach authority that they can silence
Speaker 1: you if they want to. So if some rapper want to,
Speaker 1: you know, speak out against something, it ain't too many
Speaker 1: cars they gotta make to shut me up, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, if they wanted to for whatever it is.
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm I'm smoking weed in my studio
Speaker 1: and oh, they'll let you make it because I'm not
Speaker 1: hurting nobody. It's just weed, all right, Well you pissed
Speaker 1: them on a person off, they're gonna push that button
Speaker 1: and he's smoking weed, Go get his ass right now,
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever petty thing that they might let slide,
Speaker 1: or you know they following you watching. I gotta you know,
Speaker 1: expire registration on my car. They waiting for me to
Speaker 1: put out because they know okay and and slot I
Speaker 1: know he got a pistol on them. Okay, expire registration.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get the pistel. He might have something you
Speaker 1: might smell like weeds, and then we're gonna this and that.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, boom, now you just whatever just to
Speaker 1: A lot of times it don't even be to you
Speaker 1: know and I and you know a lot of times
Speaker 1: it don't even be to seeing you to jail. A
Speaker 1: lot of times it be to hurt your image, to
Speaker 1: destroy your image of oh he was called with guns
Speaker 1: and weed and this even though the gun is registered
Speaker 1: to me, you know, you know what I'm saying, even
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever it may be, it's just for the
Speaker 1: headline of to destroy somebody's character, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And they are definitely powerful people out there who who
Speaker 1: aren't afraid or shamed or you know, they get a
Speaker 1: kick out of doing that to people. But you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if the purposes to
Speaker 1: speak up for children who don't have an advocate, don't
Speaker 1: have somebody speaking up for them, then you know, in
Speaker 1: the grand screaming scheming thing, what's worse somebody talking about me,
Speaker 1: you know, on the internet in a comment, or somebody
Speaker 1: actually getting hurt and molested and whatever as a child victim.
Speaker 1: So you know, somebody talking saying some words that are
Speaker 1: typed out. You know what I'm saying. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying on a screen that you scroll the past.
Speaker 1: You know it can those words can hurt sometimes if
Speaker 1: you feed into it, it can definitely ruin your day
Speaker 1: or really fuck you up. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, when you weighing it too on the scale,
Speaker 1: which one is, you know, got a heavy or wait,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying the words on the internet
Speaker 1: or the actual child's being hurt And I'm not a
Speaker 1: fool or think that, oh, just because I say something
Speaker 1: that's gonna oh, you know, I spoke up against you know,
Speaker 1: child victims. That's the end of all child trafficking. No,
Speaker 1: I know that it ain't, you know, but you gotta
Speaker 1: like look past the people that you got to see
Speaker 1: past the people that will try to tell you down,
Speaker 1: bring you down, and you gotta really think about what
Speaker 1: you're doing it for. To your point, what you do
Speaker 1: is when those uncivilized much rear their head, you just said, oh,
Speaker 1: I see what teach on, I see what that is.
Speaker 1: That's how you gotta do it. Just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're trying to give me off my squad that's all
Speaker 1: that is. They uncivilized much. They ain't gonna be shit.
Speaker 1: The daddy won't ship, right right, His daddy won't ship,
Speaker 1: and mama won't ship. The grandparents won't ship. They ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be ship. Their children ain't gonna be shit. Ain't
Speaker 1: gotta have that kind of mentality. Man, I know that,
Speaker 1: ain't you, But that's for me. That's me. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to I'm trying to challenge some will it Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's that's my mentality. I like, like I see it.
Speaker 1: I see when these uncivilized much are speaking out against
Speaker 1: my name and they don't even know me, they don't
Speaker 1: have doing them nothing about me, and but they see
Speaker 1: them shining, so they ain't talking about you if you're
Speaker 1: not shining. So they see me shining. They got to
Speaker 1: put my name in ain't off, you know? So I
Speaker 1: get it. I see what they're doing. And you know,
Speaker 1: I see you in traffic. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna stop my life to go deal
Speaker 1: with y'all all that, man, because I see that's what
Speaker 1: you want. So I'm gonna give you everything that you
Speaker 1: ain't looking for. You did what I'm saying, man, back
Speaker 1: in the early tooth thousands, you Chamellionaire, Mike Jones, slim,
Speaker 1: y'all yelling it. I mean, y'all, y'all all, y'all just
Speaker 1: took off. And I thought it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: we had like a h town revolution going on in
Speaker 1: hip hop, and we was just gonna take this thing
Speaker 1: to the next level, next let level. And I was
Speaker 1: almost like, you know, after you know, two three years
Speaker 1: of it, breaks just everything came to a screeching heart.
Speaker 1: What happened? Man? I think about that a lot in thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: did we make why is this sort? Why is decisions?
Speaker 1: Why choices and how we handle certain things? Or could
Speaker 1: we have took different routes on things. I correlate a
Speaker 1: lot of it to you know, uh, just sports activities.
Speaker 1: Like right now, Lamar Jackson, you know he talking about
Speaker 1: he want to be traded from the Ravens. Okay, you
Speaker 1: think about you know, where we're at today, but five
Speaker 1: years from now, looking back, we're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: look back and say, oh, well, if he would have
Speaker 1: did this, or he did could have did this, or
Speaker 1: that was a good decision he made because he got
Speaker 1: traded to this team and they went on to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Whatever, you know, whatever, you you look
Speaker 1: back at the decision. But you know, you look at
Speaker 1: those sports decisions. You know, you look at somebody who's
Speaker 1: a marquee player like that and former MVP. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, okay, and he's so young too.
Speaker 1: Should he take less money for you know, a deal
Speaker 1: just so that he could be on a team and
Speaker 1: they can use that money in other places? Or if
Speaker 1: he does that, is a team just gonna say thank
Speaker 1: you in pocket the money or are they gonna really
Speaker 1: use it to you know, allocate that money to go
Speaker 1: get him, you know, a lineman or receiver or whatever
Speaker 1: he might need. You know, if he goes all out
Speaker 1: and gets every dollar he's worth, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Are they gonna give it to him fifty five men,
Speaker 1: sexty me and whatever it might be. Whatever they're going
Speaker 1: rate for a quarterback is not you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna get that, you know, because he's worth
Speaker 1: it and he got it, but not a handicapped the
Speaker 1: bill need to go get other players and pay other people.
Speaker 1: You know what is the perfect recipe? I look at
Speaker 1: the same way with us with the hip hop we
Speaker 1: all knew our value. The one thing I can say
Speaker 1: is we were all on the same accord even without
Speaker 1: talking to like we didn't ever sit down and have
Speaker 1: a roundtable discussion. Ay, this is what we're gonna do
Speaker 1: when we go go to the labels or when when
Speaker 1: we're renegotiating our contract. This is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: This our strategy of stay. We never did none of that,
Speaker 1: but just coming from the same background, the same come up,
Speaker 1: we all seen it clear as day. You know, what
Speaker 1: our value was, what we were capable of, where we
Speaker 1: came from. This just coming from the underground, the independent game.
Speaker 1: I think it's different than when a lot of artists
Speaker 1: get signed to a major label and that's their first
Speaker 1: record deals with a major label. A lot of times
Speaker 1: artists like that they seem to be kind of major
Speaker 1: for life, and when they're not major, they're no longer
Speaker 1: an artist. But the independent artists, you know, they and
Speaker 1: their artist for life. You know, my favorite artists that
Speaker 1: were independent are still putting music out, you know, and
Speaker 1: that was the career path I wanted. This was something
Speaker 1: I love, so I want to put out you know
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be Wally Nelson. Really, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be Wally Nelson. I'm Paul Wally Nelson. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: eighty years old on tour, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be putting new music out whatever and yeah,
Speaker 1: selling grill. Hey. I wanted to run down a quick
Speaker 1: checklist of names that I think of often when I
Speaker 1: think of you. These are names that I associate with you,
Speaker 1: and I want you to tell me what your your
Speaker 1: current relationship is like with each of these individuals. Let's
Speaker 1: start with Chameleonaire, my boy. We grew up together, had
Speaker 1: the same dreams, same goals. We came up together, and
Speaker 1: then we went out several ways and we had me
Speaker 1: in his solo success. We were able to put our
Speaker 1: differences to the side, come back together, appreciate the brotherhood
Speaker 1: we had as children, Appreciate the success we achieved as
Speaker 1: young men. Where we had today is that's that's my boy.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for him, proud of them. Anytime I see
Speaker 1: his name, see him anywhere, I'm you know, rooting for him,
Speaker 1: just like as if you know jose A two hit
Speaker 1: the home run, so you know, what I'm saying. He's
Speaker 1: somebody I joke with all the time about coming out
Speaker 1: of retirement, although he always remind me he not retired.
Speaker 1: I always, you know, I kind of uh, you know,
Speaker 1: be joking with him, like, man, I might have to
Speaker 1: sacrifice myself to the rap guards and dish you or
Speaker 1: something I'm gonna put out of I'm gonna discommed and
Speaker 1: just to wire him up to come out of retirement,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. Like you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not no battle rap or nothing like that.
Speaker 1: And if I went against anybody, especially if I went
Speaker 1: against Commune, probably just started me. But I'll be just
Speaker 1: laughing like man, I'm like, I'm ana discommed, just to
Speaker 1: just to bring him out of retirement. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna sack con
Speaker 1: fights myself, you know for Texas Himp hop, man, come on,
Speaker 1: come in, come back. But now that that's my boy man,
Speaker 1: and uh shit, Man, I know he's getting his money.
Speaker 1: But I always be like, Okay, one day, one day
Speaker 1: you meet him, gonna put out another album. Man, We're
Speaker 1: gonna put out another album. Talking about rooting for Chamillionaire.
Speaker 1: I remember when he won that Grammy for roding Dirty
Speaker 1: Dirty right. Uh? Black Cat Clyde Yeah called me and
Speaker 1: he was like, he said, yeah, man, you know chamillion
Speaker 1: want chamillion that want that Grammy? Yuh? And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we wont you dig? So I feel you when you
Speaker 1: talk about wanting to see him win. I feel that.
Speaker 1: Let's let's quickly go through some other names. Dash ge
Speaker 1: dash another somebody who you know, we got a long
Speaker 1: history with. I don't see him too often anymore, just
Speaker 1: because I'm not signed to him as a as an artist.
Speaker 1: So when I when you signed him as a artist,
Speaker 1: youre talking about all the time, you know. But I
Speaker 1: see him at events or whether it be like you know,
Speaker 1: the rodeo or somebody's birthday or one of my events
Speaker 1: will come out to or switch the house event I'll
Speaker 1: go to. But he's just somebody you know when uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I get long winded too, man, you know
Speaker 1: I talked for hour body every one of these people.
Speaker 1: But I know that's why quickly quickly, yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: somebody who Man, when I you know, men comin or
Speaker 1: when I separate ways. I didn't have a record deal
Speaker 1: on the table for any label in the world that
Speaker 1: everybody was like, yeah, you was cool with comed there.
Speaker 1: Let me know when y'all get back together, you solo artists,
Speaker 1: good luck to you. You know, that's kind of how
Speaker 1: it would be. He's you know, t Ferris say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I talked to Dash and Watch. They got a contract
Speaker 1: for you if you want it, Man, yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's the only offer I got periods,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't got no other options. Is this
Speaker 1: or I had to get run, you know? So then
Speaker 1: shout out to ge dash Man, Michael five thousand, Watch,
Speaker 1: Michael five thousand. Watch. I met him when I was
Speaker 1: fourteen asking our fliers and he gave me that shot.
Speaker 1: Was like, all right, I was that annoying kid that
Speaker 1: used to bug him and call him and He's just like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: come on. He took me on his wing and man
Speaker 1: showed me so much. Man. He he allowed me to,
Speaker 1: you know, showcase my talent on his platform and switch
Speaker 1: the house tapes another one. Man, boy, I love him
Speaker 1: for life, man, every everybody your neighbor, man, I loved
Speaker 1: him for life. Johnny Dash, Johnny Day before Johnny Man, Boy,
Speaker 1: I never thought. You know, when you're a child, you
Speaker 1: see things you want, Like if there's a car you want,
Speaker 1: you see a Lamborghini, Johnny Dan, Yeah, and it might
Speaker 1: be Johnny new nickname, Johnny Dash, that might be that
Speaker 1: might be a new rap name. But imagine you see
Speaker 1: like a Lamborghini, You're like, well, I always want to
Speaker 1: have a Lamborghini. You never would think that, you you know,
Speaker 1: have a Lamborghini store. You know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: that's how it is with Johnny, Like I always want
Speaker 1: to Jerry, but I never thought I would be a
Speaker 1: part of something like so Majors. Is that, you know,
Speaker 1: just just even being friends with Johnny, you know, not
Speaker 1: even being business partners or doing jury together any of that,
Speaker 1: just being friends with him, and he's such an icon
Speaker 1: for the city. Man and I think we have a
Speaker 1: similar energy of where we want to have. We want
Speaker 1: to be happy, We want to be in a good
Speaker 1: move when we see other people, Hey, what's up? Man?
Speaker 1: You been what's up? You know so that when you
Speaker 1: see other people who bring out of you and me
Speaker 1: and Johnny Man, he we got that. Uh. We hustled
Speaker 1: in tandem. Man, We we When I met Johnny he
Speaker 1: had a you know here he still got that accident.
Speaker 1: But when I met him boar his English, it was difficult.
Speaker 1: He needed close captions for real. And that's where we
Speaker 1: where we really messed because, like I said, I always
Speaker 1: had an affinity for immigrants, just because my mother and
Speaker 1: my grandfather or my grandparents, they lived all around the world,
Speaker 1: you know, so growing up my grandparents, their friends were
Speaker 1: all immigrants or of other races. There was never white
Speaker 1: people coming in and out of any of these homes
Speaker 1: that I was in, So you know, whether it's just
Speaker 1: other Americans or you know, immigrants in general, there were
Speaker 1: other you know, I always had affinity, I love for
Speaker 1: people from elsewhere, like you know, like you from where,
Speaker 1: what's it like there? What do you eat there? What's
Speaker 1: your how do they talk there? How do you saying
Speaker 1: this there? You know, whatever it is. So you know,
Speaker 1: when you meet Johnny, you know, like the same with
Speaker 1: my neighborhood was mixed race. A lot of you know
Speaker 1: where I lived over there, there's a lot of immigrants
Speaker 1: that would come to Houston and this is where they
Speaker 1: would make their home in our neighborhood, so you would
Speaker 1: I would see people from all different walks of life
Speaker 1: from around the world. So seeing Johnny, I wouldn't get
Speaker 1: hung up or frustrated because I can't understand what he
Speaker 1: was saying. I looked at it as a challenge. What
Speaker 1: you're saying, I'm gonna figure this out. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd go into the shop and he's arguing with somebody,
Speaker 1: and they arguing because they can't understand each other, and
Speaker 1: he's speaking English but barely, somebody else speaking English but barely,
Speaker 1: and I'd be there just like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is what he's saying. No, no, this is what
Speaker 1: he's saying, and just just translating English to English, you know.
Speaker 1: And we end up being good friends and business partners too.
Speaker 1: But the friendship I think is above all else. Even
Speaker 1: with our business relationship, the money, it's not based on
Speaker 1: money at all. It's you know, our relationship is you know,
Speaker 1: based off of success, success of the business. What do
Speaker 1: we got to do to make the business be a success?
Speaker 1: Not a success this year, this season? But how can
Speaker 1: we pass this on to our kids? How can it
Speaker 1: be generational? How can we make an impact in our community,
Speaker 1: whether it's our immediate community outside the store, the community
Speaker 1: where we grew up, came from community where we live now,
Speaker 1: the community where our customers are, fans are, all of
Speaker 1: that is our community. So how can we dig up
Speaker 1: our community? How can we uplift our community, give back
Speaker 1: all these things? It's that's something that man. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been truly blessed to have a friend in the
Speaker 1: partner like Johnny Dane. Because you see a lot of
Speaker 1: other jewelers, you know, it's not always like that. Usually
Speaker 1: it's about them and there they're individ, usual family. You
Speaker 1: see a lot of other rappers. It's the same. It's
Speaker 1: not about you know, building things. It's about how much
Speaker 1: can I get for me and both of us together?
Speaker 1: It really is. It's been dope, Crystal, your wife and
Speaker 1: my wife. That's that's number one. That's number one on
Speaker 1: the list. Man. She changed my life. Man, when I
Speaker 1: met her, it was instant falling in love, man, love
Speaker 1: one of them love at first sight things where you
Speaker 1: see her which I first met her on TSU campus
Speaker 1: at the time. No, she had a boyfriend, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and I didn't think nothing of it. She
Speaker 1: didn't think of it. You know, we wouldn't know, hollering
Speaker 1: type of things. Some of you bump into on TSU
Speaker 1: campus and then next thing you know, they broke up.
Speaker 1: You know, year, a couple of years go by, I'm
Speaker 1: passing out fliers for a club play downtown me and
Speaker 1: my boy Goo used to do on Thursday nights, college night.
Speaker 1: We had club Rhythms. I was on my rides, trying
Speaker 1: to come up as a rapper. She's on her rides,
Speaker 1: also trying to come up as a singer at that
Speaker 1: time in the singing group. She's out there trying to
Speaker 1: sell us CDs. I'm trying to sell my CDs my friends,
Speaker 1: trying to hilight her friends, and well they ain't trying
Speaker 1: to buy the CDs, they're just trying to hil at them.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, man, y'all gotta looking broke, man,
Speaker 1: buy a ten dollars CDs man at least, so we
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be looking broke. So I buy CD from him.
Speaker 1: The CD end up being scratched, uh, and you know,
Speaker 1: so then you know, I ended up giving her a flyer. Also,
Speaker 1: once you come to our spot on Thursday. So she
Speaker 1: came Thursday to our club. You know, Rhythms was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Sunday night, Monday night and we've seen
Speaker 1: it a Thursday at the club and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: you know the CD sold me was scratch Then I
Speaker 1: was DJing at the time, real heavy, so I would do,
Speaker 1: you know, screwed and chop mixtapes. I would DJ clubs
Speaker 1: whatever I dj, you know, on community radio stations here
Speaker 1: and there as a guest DJ, anything DJ related, I
Speaker 1: was out there doing. So, you know, when I got
Speaker 1: the CD from him, my vision was all right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna screwing chopped this for and give it to it.
Speaker 1: And you know, this is my romantic way of you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like I'm gonna take you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take y'all y'all CD and I'm gonna screw and
Speaker 1: chopp before you and yeah, and then I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: you know this. Then I'm gonna get me, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a couple. You know. Now we're gonna be dating.
Speaker 1: But the CD was scratched. So when she came to
Speaker 1: the club Thursday, it was like, man, you know that
Speaker 1: CD you gave me was scratched. And you know it's
Speaker 1: of all the times I've seen her, from the first
Speaker 1: time I seen her tears you when I've seen her rhythms.
Speaker 1: When I seen her at club play and she walked
Speaker 1: past me, it was one of them things where an
Speaker 1: energy did you know if if you know Obama was
Speaker 1: to walk in the room right now, we feel it, Like, man,
Speaker 1: what does that feel? I feel somebody but whoever years
Speaker 1: back on Trump it could be. And I don't mean
Speaker 1: it's in a good job. I don't mean that. I
Speaker 1: don't mean in a good well. I just mean, like
Speaker 1: the energy is there. You're like, man, like, who is
Speaker 1: this behind it? Like? What is what's going on? You know? Shit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a It ain't too many presidents, It's not too
Speaker 1: many of them that maybe he shouldn't be slabber. This
Speaker 1: is quite a deserve it slapp Ain't that gonna like
Speaker 1: me talking about Obama and Trump? Boy, well they Obama
Speaker 1: and Trump, they got some of the most strongest supporters ever, bro, Like,
Speaker 1: you can't tell them they never did anything wrong. But
Speaker 1: I tell you what, man, Paul wall Man, it's been
Speaker 1: beautiful and sitting down with you, man, you know, we
Speaker 1: could talk for hours and you know, obviously you know
Speaker 1: we're gonna we gotta do this again. I gotta come
Speaker 1: back for five. You know what I'm saying. The door
Speaker 1: is always open for you. Man. We appreciate you, We
Speaker 1: appreciate your contribution to hip hop and to society at large. Man,
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Wall, No more Talk. This episode
Speaker 1: was produced by A King and brought to you by
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