1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680
Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

2
00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

3
00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

4
00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:24,880
Speaker 1: production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Welcome back

5
00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,440
Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

6
00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,159
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined in spirit with

7
00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,120
Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission controlled decond. Most importantly, you

8
00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,800
Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff

9
00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,720
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know going to be completely transparent,

10
00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,600
Speaker 1: because transparency is important to us on this show and

11
00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,479
Speaker 1: hopefully important to those of us listening along. We are

12
00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,720
Speaker 1: not in the studio today. Now we're in a hotel

13
00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,560
Speaker 1: in Orlando. Is it a motel or hotel or a

14
00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,560
Speaker 1: holiday and it's a little resort. He Actually there's a

15
00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,080
Speaker 1: lazy river outside a pretty dope water slide situation that

16
00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:06,880
Speaker 1: we have not had a chance to enjoy yet, but

17
00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,800
Speaker 1: maybe after this I heard good things about the water slide.

18
00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,840
Speaker 1: It's true as a series of circumstances have found us

19
00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:20,560
Speaker 1: here in Orlando, but we also found ourselves compelled to

20
00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,280
Speaker 1: update a very important topic that you have doubtlessly read

21
00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,360
Speaker 1: about in the news recently. And you have known about

22
00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,800
Speaker 1: since at least January. If you are a long time

23
00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,759
Speaker 1: listener of our show, perhaps we can sum it up thus, Lee,

24
00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, you want to do some foreshadowing. New

25
00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:45,080
Speaker 1: York Times. Yes, so yesterday as we're recording this, New

26
00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,080
Speaker 1: York Times opinion columnist Ross do do thought? Do thought?

27
00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,040
Speaker 1: I think that's how you say it. He wrote a

28
00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:57,480
Speaker 1: piece called Jeffrey Epstein and When to Take Conspiracies seriously interesting. Yeah,

29
00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,840
Speaker 1: and we highly recommend that you read this just for

30
00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,120
Speaker 1: of all. But here is just a little bit of

31
00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,360
Speaker 1: a taste. Yeah, a couple of pretty quotable quotes here.

32
00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,040
Speaker 1: This is just so so validating for us as a show.

33
00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,040
Speaker 1: I love this. Uh. The challenge in thinking about a

34
00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,560
Speaker 1: case like the suspicious suicide of Jeffrey Epstein, the supposed

35
00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,360
Speaker 1: billionaire who spent his life acquiring sex slaves and serving

36
00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,760
Speaker 1: as a procure to the ruling class, can be summed

37
00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,880
Speaker 1: up in two sentences. Most conspiracy theories are faults, but

38
00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,320
Speaker 1: often some of the things they're trying to explain are real. Yeah,

39
00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,800
Speaker 1: it's pretty intense and that's all you really need to know.

40
00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,960
Speaker 1: That's just how he gets into the article. But he

41
00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,040
Speaker 1: goes on to explain essentially what we do on this

42
00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,000
Speaker 1: show exactly this this Those last two sentences could kind

43
00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,560
Speaker 1: of be a thesis statement or a mission statement for

44
00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,760
Speaker 1: this show. Um. So many of the things we talked

45
00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,520
Speaker 1: about are a mix of provable things and completely what

46
00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,359
Speaker 1: things that you would wildly conjecture on, whether they're real

47
00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,120
Speaker 1: or faults or trumped up. To explain things by kind

48
00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,280
Speaker 1: of using reverse logic to impose and narrative on things

49
00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,480
Speaker 1: that we maybe don't fully understand, whether it's the end

50
00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,520
Speaker 1: workings of the government or UFOs or anything like that.

51
00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,160
Speaker 1: The you know, um, behind the scenes dirty dealings of

52
00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,600
Speaker 1: the rich and powerful. But with this Epstein case, to

53
00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,440
Speaker 1: your point, Bend, we covered about a year ago. Everything

54
00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,840
Speaker 1: we covered in that episode pretty much proved to be true,

55
00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,280
Speaker 1: and so this is an update on our earlier episode

56
00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,560
Speaker 1: about the disgraced financier and uh proven child abuser Jeffrey Epstein.

57
00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,880
Speaker 1: Given the graphic and troubling nature of this story, this

58
00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,280
Speaker 1: episode may not be appropriate for all audiences. Things get

59
00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,800
Speaker 1: pretty dark. They get dark pretty quickly. Without replaying the

60
00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,200
Speaker 1: entire episode in which we explore Epstein's biography and the

61
00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,880
Speaker 1: high level outline of his crimes and his m O.

62
00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:00,080
Speaker 1: We can simply say that he was often advertising himself

63
00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,280
Speaker 1: as an enigmatic hedge fund manager. The problem was that

64
00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,320
Speaker 1: his clients, however many existed, were secret. And the weird

65
00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,640
Speaker 1: thing is hedge fund managers leave a large traceable footprint

66
00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,840
Speaker 1: if they are actually hedge fund manager, and yet the

67
00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,359
Speaker 1: source of much of his wealth remains kind of a mystery.

68
00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,159
Speaker 1: Even the amount of his wealth. It means because in

69
00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,640
Speaker 1: the quote that you just read, right, billionaire is in

70
00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,960
Speaker 1: uh in air quotes. Right. So let's let's go ahead,

71
00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,040
Speaker 1: and if you haven't listened to that first episode, uh,

72
00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,720
Speaker 1: pause this and check it out, because this is valuable information.

73
00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,200
Speaker 1: We'll hang on, We'll be right here. Great, okay, so

74
00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,400
Speaker 1: we're all caught up. Here are the facts. On January

75
00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,320
Speaker 1: fourth of this year, when we released this episode How

76
00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,520
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein Broke the Law and Got Away, we explored

77
00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,279
Speaker 1: the rise and fall of this mysterious money man, Jeffrey Epstein.

78
00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,040
Speaker 1: He was famous in financial circles for his secret list

79
00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,159
Speaker 1: of clients, a few of whom were publicly identified, the

80
00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:09,000
Speaker 1: founder of Victoria's Secret being one. He was also famous

81
00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:15,080
Speaker 1: in his social circle for being a massage fanatic constantly

82
00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,560
Speaker 1: surrounded by women and children. You'll hear this referred to

83
00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,880
Speaker 1: in the media as underage girls, right or young women.

84
00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:30,600
Speaker 1: To be very very clear, the gamut age range we're

85
00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,880
Speaker 1: talking about here is does include like children were fourteen.

86
00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:42,680
Speaker 1: This guy was a serial offender and showed no signs

87
00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,280
Speaker 1: of letting up on his behavior. In fact, to due

88
00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,640
Speaker 1: largely to the efforts of a journalist named Julie Brown

89
00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,320
Speaker 1: and her team at the Miami Herald, that the national

90
00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,040
Speaker 1: public was even aware of this In the mainstream, epstein

91
00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,080
Speaker 1: story made national headlines, and a Herald identified eighty victims

92
00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,000
Speaker 1: and located around sixty. The spooky thing is that they

93
00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,120
Speaker 1: all had the same story. When they were either teenagers

94
00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,159
Speaker 1: or children, Epstein and his crew had recruited them to

95
00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,640
Speaker 1: participate in sexual activity, including forcing them to have sex

96
00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,880
Speaker 1: with other people at his commands, a lot of times

97
00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,480
Speaker 1: very old men. Jared Dershwitz one Alan Derschwitz. I mean,

98
00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,480
Speaker 1: that's what makes this extra disturbing is the fact that

99
00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:38,280
Speaker 1: he was grooming these people to essentially the term that

100
00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,440
Speaker 1: was using that op ed was become sex slaves. And

101
00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,479
Speaker 1: we've heard some things come out in the news too

102
00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:49,559
Speaker 1: recently about how he intended to receive the human race

103
00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,200
Speaker 1: by impregnating as many women as possible, like with his

104
00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,880
Speaker 1: in his image kind of you know, just a complete

105
00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:04,160
Speaker 1: psychopath and megalomaniac, just absolute degenerate and would never go

106
00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,440
Speaker 1: to jail ordinarily. Right. Well, that's why, that's why we

107
00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,480
Speaker 1: made that episode, right because we we realized that he

108
00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,040
Speaker 1: had gotten away with it. We put it in the title, Um,

109
00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, thankfully as we're going to continue on here,

110
00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,760
Speaker 1: he didn't get away with it, or at least, uh,

111
00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,600
Speaker 1: he was going to be held account Uh, you know,

112
00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,280
Speaker 1: that's very optimistic. It's it seemed as though it was

113
00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,120
Speaker 1: actually happening this, Yeah, agreed. So what we're talking about

114
00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,280
Speaker 1: here is legal troubles kick into high gear in the

115
00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,320
Speaker 1: early two thousand's, way before The Herald begins writing about it.

116
00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,800
Speaker 1: In July of two thousand and six, the FBI began

117
00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,360
Speaker 1: investigating Epstein and something called Operation Leap Year. Operation Leap

118
00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,080
Speaker 1: Year resulted in an indictment in June of two thousand seven.

119
00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,040
Speaker 1: It was like fifty three pages long, never made it

120
00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,400
Speaker 1: to a grand jury. And that's when a guy named

121
00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,080
Speaker 1: Alexander Acosta comes into play easily. One of the other

122
00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,440
Speaker 1: main villains in this story. Yes, yeah, he was at

123
00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,520
Speaker 1: the time the U S. Attorney for the Southern District

124
00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,480
Speaker 1: of Florida, and he agreed to a very unusual plea

125
00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,840
Speaker 1: deal with Epstein. The deal was that they would grant

126
00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,360
Speaker 1: him immunity from all federal criminal charges for his crimes.

127
00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,600
Speaker 1: They would also grant immunity for four co conspirators that

128
00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:32,439
Speaker 1: he had that were named, and additionally, anybody else, anybody else,

129
00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,440
Speaker 1: they'd be considered a co conspirator. Potential co conspirators would

130
00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,760
Speaker 1: also go unnamed and receive immunity. If that's not just

131
00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,120
Speaker 1: giving a straight up pass, I don't know what is.

132
00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,079
Speaker 1: It's it's importent, and I think he was. There was

133
00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,040
Speaker 1: a time even during the proceedings where he was allowed

134
00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,240
Speaker 1: to go to work right twelve hours. He could be

135
00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,559
Speaker 1: gone right and his prison door. After his sentence, his

136
00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,120
Speaker 1: prison door wasn't. He was able to use his own driver.

137
00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,640
Speaker 1: He formed a foundation shortly before he was in this

138
00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,480
Speaker 1: work release program and dissolved it right after, so he

139
00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,560
Speaker 1: would go to the office for his foundation every day. Also,

140
00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,040
Speaker 1: the tricky thing about this is that the victims were

141
00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,200
Speaker 1: not notified of this plea deal, so they had no

142
00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,840
Speaker 1: say in it. According to the Miami Herald, when this

143
00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,400
Speaker 1: non prosecution agreement occurs, it shuts down the FBI probe

144
00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,800
Speaker 1: into whether there were more victims, whether there were more conspiratories.

145
00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,000
Speaker 1: The name alone is laughable. A non prosecution agreement basically

146
00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,719
Speaker 1: means you're fine where you're you're free. We're gonna leave

147
00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,920
Speaker 1: you alone. Yeah. For a terrible, terrible comparison, imagine if

148
00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,120
Speaker 1: you are part of a club where you recreationally go

149
00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,320
Speaker 1: out and hop in a car and try to run

150
00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:56,400
Speaker 1: over children, and then when you get caught, they say, okay, well,

151
00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,000
Speaker 1: you know sometimes people drive on the sidewalk and we're

152
00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,559
Speaker 1: not gonna We're not gonna identify you, we're not gonna

153
00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,200
Speaker 1: identify your buddies who are in the car. We'll just

154
00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,920
Speaker 1: let him keep driving. And we're not even going to

155
00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,240
Speaker 1: reach out to the parents of the children that you

156
00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,960
Speaker 1: ran over. Exactly exactly. But there's a renkal here already,

157
00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,600
Speaker 1: because when after after Acosta agrees to this, he becomes

158
00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:25,439
Speaker 1: a higher up in the current presidential administration, and later

159
00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,320
Speaker 1: when he is faced with this huge WTF moment, right uh,

160
00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,920
Speaker 1: he says that he was more or less forced to

161
00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,200
Speaker 1: offer a lenient plea deal, which is a very diplomatic

162
00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,360
Speaker 1: way to put that. He was told by someone that

163
00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,920
Speaker 1: Epstein quote belonged to intelligence, was quote above his pay grade,

164
00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,319
Speaker 1: and that he should leave it alone. But Acosta took

165
00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,959
Speaker 1: a die for this eventually didn't like he got He

166
00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,640
Speaker 1: got some come up and for for his part in

167
00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,520
Speaker 1: all of this. That's right, that's right now, because he

168
00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,400
Speaker 1: was the Labor Secretary under the Trump administration, and in

169
00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:10,040
Speaker 1: July he announced his, uh, his resignation that he was

170
00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,240
Speaker 1: gonna walk away from it. I don't know if that's

171
00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,320
Speaker 1: the sort of thing you can walk away from. But

172
00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,400
Speaker 1: here's here's the rest of the way this works out.

173
00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,560
Speaker 1: Speaking that work release stuff. On June thirty two, eight

174
00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,079
Speaker 1: he pled guilty to a state charge. One of two

175
00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,040
Speaker 1: of the way they phrase it is procuring for prostitution

176
00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,079
Speaker 1: a girl below age eighteen, for which he sentenced eighteen

177
00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,679
Speaker 1: months in prison. Most sex offenders in Florida are sent

178
00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,319
Speaker 1: to state prison. Epstein instead was housed in a private

179
00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,600
Speaker 1: wing of the Palm Beach County Stockade, and after three

180
00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,240
Speaker 1: and a half months, he was allowed to leave the

181
00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,000
Speaker 1: jail on work release. For twelve hours day, six days

182
00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,720
Speaker 1: a week. Also, just think about how they phrase that sentencing.

183
00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,520
Speaker 1: They're calling these victims sex workers, you know what I mean,

184
00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,160
Speaker 1: they're signing agency to children. It makes me really sad.

185
00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,560
Speaker 1: You know. The whole thing is I mean, I think

186
00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,120
Speaker 1: this is one of them. I thought when we did

187
00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,959
Speaker 1: that episode it was one of the most disturbing things

188
00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,559
Speaker 1: we had discussed, because on the one hand, you don't

189
00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,680
Speaker 1: want you can look at a guy like Epstein who

190
00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,440
Speaker 1: represents this unattainable level of opulence and privilege, right, and

191
00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,200
Speaker 1: you can you can view it through the lens of man.

192
00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:31,439
Speaker 1: What if every rich, powerful man is a secret sex predator?

193
00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Um, it makes you It

194
00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,200
Speaker 1: made me think of the next um guy. No, yeah,

195
00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,880
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean it's just like, you know, given

196
00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,840
Speaker 1: complete agency to do what thou wilt, are these men

197
00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:52,480
Speaker 1: going to exercise their every you know, debauched kind of impulse? Right?

198
00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,160
Speaker 1: Is it going to be a real like Marquis Dissad

199
00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,120
Speaker 1: kind of story where people just push a limit to

200
00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,440
Speaker 1: see whether it exist? I think when I'm the point

201
00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm getting aft though, is No, It's that's not the

202
00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,160
Speaker 1: case likely true, It's easy to look at a monster

203
00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,440
Speaker 1: like this and what he represents and apply that across

204
00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,079
Speaker 1: the board to like all rich and powerful men, especially

205
00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,600
Speaker 1: in the me two times that we're living in where

206
00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,040
Speaker 1: so many of these folks are finally having to answer

207
00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,080
Speaker 1: for what they've done. But no, I think they are

208
00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,960
Speaker 1: rich and powerful men that are that are not you know,

209
00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,480
Speaker 1: child sex predators. Yeah there, I'm sure there are quite

210
00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,240
Speaker 1: a few people who are. Like their idea of something

211
00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, wrong and taboo is like sneaking a milkshake

212
00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,800
Speaker 1: when it's not cheat day on their diet, right, and

213
00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,840
Speaker 1: their personal trainer is going to be really mad. But

214
00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,480
Speaker 1: people are People are just people, right, no matter how

215
00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,840
Speaker 1: deified or vilified they are. This guy is a monster,

216
00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,160
Speaker 1: and he had the means to pursue his goals. He

217
00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,439
Speaker 1: also paid the Sheriff's office a hundred and twenty eight

218
00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,120
Speaker 1: grand from a nonprofit to pay for the cost of

219
00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:08,160
Speaker 1: his prison circumstances or is stockade circumstances like extra amenities

220
00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,520
Speaker 1: and things or what. Yeah, he had access to the

221
00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,880
Speaker 1: attorney room where there was a TV installed for him.

222
00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,160
Speaker 1: You know, they dedicated that wing of the county stockade

223
00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,920
Speaker 1: to him. His office was monitored the office of the

224
00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,240
Speaker 1: foundation he set up in Dissult was monitored by what

225
00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,640
Speaker 1: we're called permit deputies, and he directly paid for their overtime.

226
00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,280
Speaker 1: These guys were required to wear suits, not uniforms, and

227
00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,520
Speaker 1: they checked in welcomed guests at the front desk. For

228
00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:41,600
Speaker 1: a time, he is essentially a freeman until there is

229
00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,960
Speaker 1: renewed scrutiny into the case and he's ultimately arrested in

230
00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:51,200
Speaker 1: New Jersey on sex trafficking charges on July six, twenty nineteen.

231
00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,720
Speaker 1: Was justice around the corner, right, So leading up to that,

232
00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he this this whole boogie jail situation, I

233
00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,560
Speaker 1: think he said been lasted around eighteen months and then

234
00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,680
Speaker 1: it was just back to business as usual, you know,

235
00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,960
Speaker 1: making piles of cash and presumably even bringing in more

236
00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,920
Speaker 1: victims you know, into this into this sex ring quite possibly.

237
00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,000
Speaker 1: And again it goes down to the means, if somebody

238
00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,320
Speaker 1: does not have this social or financial clout, then they're

239
00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,360
Speaker 1: not going to, you know, have a private island, They're

240
00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,360
Speaker 1: not going to have a Lolita Express. They're certainly not

241
00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:31,360
Speaker 1: going to get a non prosecution agreement. This guy seems

242
00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,520
Speaker 1: set to get away until that, until he is re

243
00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,080
Speaker 1: arrested on July six, and he is he is a

244
00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,200
Speaker 1: high value target for at least factions of the government,

245
00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,640
Speaker 1: the ones who are against child abuse. I did, I was.

246
00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,400
Speaker 1: I thought that was a united front, but that appears

247
00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,640
Speaker 1: to not entirely be the case. That's a that's one

248
00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:59,200
Speaker 1: way to phrase it, ben who are are not against it?

249
00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,920
Speaker 1: What specific led to the quote unquote renewed interests because

250
00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,880
Speaker 1: I was so surprised about was that everything we talked

251
00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,280
Speaker 1: about in that first episode, it was all the same

252
00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,240
Speaker 1: stuff that came back around, Like there wasn't anything new,

253
00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,440
Speaker 1: Like what that I'm aware of? Maybe correct me if

254
00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but like, what was it that that, you know,

255
00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,840
Speaker 1: that kind of poked the bear and got things started again.

256
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,360
Speaker 1: Julie Brown and the Miami Herald, That's exactly what it was.

257
00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,520
Speaker 1: And what's what's strange is that when we were talking

258
00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,320
Speaker 1: about this may have been just the three of us

259
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:37,200
Speaker 1: off air, we based on Jimmy Saville. We we were

260
00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,640
Speaker 1: all pretty certain that this guy would never make it

261
00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,880
Speaker 1: to trial. You know, there's too much there's too much murkiness.

262
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,520
Speaker 1: And in fact, there was what appeared to be a

263
00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,480
Speaker 1: possible suicide attempt perpetrated. On July twenty three of this year,

264
00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,160
Speaker 1: he was found unconscious, I believe, on the floor of

265
00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,680
Speaker 1: his cell with bruising around his neck. Yeah, And there

266
00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,480
Speaker 1: were ushions about whether or not it was a self

267
00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,240
Speaker 1: inflicted injury on his neck, or if maybe his cell

268
00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,800
Speaker 1: mate had done it. Lots and lots of questions. But

269
00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:16,879
Speaker 1: it put him on suicide watch, and it made him,

270
00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,960
Speaker 1: I mean kind of obviously somebody who's done all of

271
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,160
Speaker 1: these things and then made the connections within the high

272
00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,320
Speaker 1: levels of society that you would want to watch this

273
00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:31,520
Speaker 1: guy closely. So that occurred on July. That's I mean

274
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,440
Speaker 1: July six to July three. That's not a lot of time.

275
00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,080
Speaker 1: From that amount of time, he was arrested, put into jail,

276
00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:43,800
Speaker 1: then attempted suicide at least allegedly. Then this weekend, at

277
00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,080
Speaker 1: six thirty am on August two, thousand nineteen, Jeffrey Epstein

278
00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,120
Speaker 1: was found dead in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional

279
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,000
Speaker 1: Center that it's also known as the m c C,

280
00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,720
Speaker 1: the one that's in New York City. That's a very

281
00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,280
Speaker 1: uh uh if we're talking about this facility, it is

282
00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,720
Speaker 1: locks down to the extreme, and he was found dead

283
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:12,680
Speaker 1: there apparently from suicide. So what happened? We'll explore this

284
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:23,400
Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsors. Here's where it gets crazy,

285
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,320
Speaker 1: strapping friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists, we are heading

286
00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,760
Speaker 1: down a deep rabbit hole. It should be no surprise

287
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,360
Speaker 1: that many people, including the FBI and the Department of Justice,

288
00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:40,280
Speaker 1: are calling for investigations into Epstein's demise. At this point,

289
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,760
Speaker 1: an autopsy has been conducted, more than one actually, but

290
00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,240
Speaker 1: not yet released to the public. There are a lot

291
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,760
Speaker 1: of facts that are going to come to light in

292
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,320
Speaker 1: the coming days, and this therefore will be an imperfect update.

293
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,640
Speaker 1: So we are attempting to We're attempting to gather what

294
00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 1: we know now with the understanding that there will most

295
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,880
Speaker 1: definitely be new things unfolding. There isn't just one conspiracy

296
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,680
Speaker 1: theory in play here. There are many. Um. For example,

297
00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 1: you know we've we look at the broad categories of it.

298
00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,200
Speaker 1: There is number one, the idea that Jeffrey Epstein did

299
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 1: not take his own life. Even mainstream print publications and

300
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,840
Speaker 1: uh mass media news networks are referring to it as

301
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,680
Speaker 1: an apparent suicide. Yeah, and there's something to be said

302
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,239
Speaker 1: here when we if we think back to that New

303
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 1: York Times article, the op ed at the beginning, Uh,

304
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 1: it is not inconceivable that somebody that he was connected

305
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,439
Speaker 1: to would want him dead rather than be able to speak,

306
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 1: especially in a trial, especially when there's discovery that's going

307
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:55,679
Speaker 1: to occur, right for evidence discovery basically um and depending

308
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 1: on what they find in his home and all of

309
00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 1: these things, you can imagine that buddy he worked with,

310
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 1: and when I say it worked with, I mean procured

311
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 1: a children for or maybe just young women for. So

312
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 1: not not in a hedge fund managing capacity exactly. Let's

313
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about some of those documents that

314
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 1: were unsealed right before he supposedly took his own life,

315
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 1: further implicating many more high level potential sex offenders that

316
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: he may have helped connect with underage women. Yeah, allegations

317
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 1: right from Virginia Robert's last name g I U F

318
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 1: F R E f uh. So we do have to

319
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 1: say that at this point these are these are allegations,

320
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 1: but they do exist in a legal sense. The documents

321
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 1: differ from some earlier some earlier information because they name

322
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: some new people. They named New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson,

323
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: former U s Senator George Mitchell. Uh. They name members

324
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 1: of the royal family, Prince Andrew and it. It certainly

325
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 1: feeds into this narrative that there was some foul play

326
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: at work here because I believe, you know, he said

327
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 1: he was taken off suicide watch, but he did have

328
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 1: guards who were supposed to look check in on him.

329
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: And new reports show that these guards actually falsified reports

330
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,479
Speaker 1: that they checked in on him when they in facted

331
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: not for the entire day. Uh, And he was dead

332
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: for several hours before he was found. You know, that's

333
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 1: pretty fishy, but we were We don't even have to

334
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: get into the speculative tearrit story. There's enough real, real

335
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 1: juicy information here on its own. Um back to the

336
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: idea of folks who flew on that plane, the Lolita Express.

337
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: We know from flight documents that both Bill Clinton and

338
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: Donald Trump flew on that plane, in addition to uh,

339
00:21:55,520 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: the philosopher Stephen Pinker, just some very odd associates of man.

340
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: And then you know, we have to also think about

341
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 1: the level of access very wealthy or powerful people will have.

342
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: Because someone met that guy at a party doesn't mean

343
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: they were part of his circle. You know what I

344
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 1: mean part of his crimes. They may have just donated

345
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 1: to the same nonprofit or something like that. However, we

346
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: do we do see the rise of a lot of

347
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: very disturbing and valid questions, such as his cell mate,

348
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: which was transferred out of the cell the like the

349
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: day of the death or very shortly beforehand. And we

350
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: also see, you know, the suicide watch is a big

351
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: question for everybody's suicide watch is supposed to require seven

352
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: monitoring UH also active physical checkens, UH, psychic vals, things

353
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 1: like that, and those were not happening at the time

354
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 1: of his death. And there are questions about even if

355
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: his own attorneys had asked to take him off of

356
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: suicide Watch and stop all the surveillance from happening on him.

357
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,959
Speaker 1: So let's let's go back to the idea that he

358
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: did not take his own life but was murdered, the

359
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: idea that there was homicide somebody wanted to prevent news

360
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: coming out, somebody with the means to exert this sort

361
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: of influence. And it's interesting because in right wing circles,

362
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 1: right wing US political circles, UH, the theory that you'll

363
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 1: see thrown around the most is that the Clinton family

364
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: had Epstein murdered. Uh. The idea goes back to, uh,

365
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: the belief that you know, you've seen the hashtag Clinton

366
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 1: body count or something. The idea goes back to the

367
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: concept that the Clinton family has murdered multiple people. You'll

368
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: hear seth Rich shout it out on that. Um maybe

369
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: shouted out stuff the right word, but that's just one

370
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: of many culprits. You know, they'll say Massad did it,

371
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: the case Royals did it, and the Clinton body count thing.

372
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't have pisode on that. When we

373
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: did you know, during the election, we did Clinton conspiracies

374
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: and Trump conspiracies, and that stuff is pretty baseless. I mean,

375
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: there we we couldn't find much evidence to sink your

376
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: teeth into that that actually took place, that the Clinton's

377
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: actually had people killed. I agree, yes, there's no solid evidence.

378
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: Obviously they wouldn't be walking around if there was any

379
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: solid evidence that the Clinton's had been murdering anyone, uh,

380
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: together or separately. There there are a lot of somewhat

381
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: peculiar instances of people either going missing or dying around

382
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: the Clintons, which is why some of some of this

383
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: continues to proliferate. This idea, and I we even have

384
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: Donald Trump tweeting about the Clinton body count in reference

385
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Epstein. He also has another quote pertaining to

386
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: Epstein from before this went down, where he's essentially saying, yeah,

387
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: Jeffrey is a good friend of mine and he likes

388
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: them young wink wink, nudge, nudge. And it's so crazy

389
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: to me that Trump would perpetuate. I mean, I don't know,

390
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: maybe it's like a smoke screen since he's potentially implicated too,

391
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: because both of them were you know, we're on the plane.

392
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, he we retweeted this post from this guy

393
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 1: Terence Kay Williams, who is confirmed on Twitter. I think

394
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: he's like kind of a conspiracy theorist type dude. But

395
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: um it says died of suicide on seven suicide watch.

396
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah right, how does that happen? Hashtag Jeffrey Epstein had

397
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: information on Bill Clinton and now he's dead. I see

398
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: hashtag Trump body count trending. But we know who did

399
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 1: this RT. If you're not surprised, I'm sorry, say what

400
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: you will about Trump Again. We tried to get too

401
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: political on the show, but what an irresponsible thing to

402
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: to do. Well, he's he's also connected to this story, Like,

403
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: how odd is that he did kick Epstein out of

404
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: marrow lago at some point it's true. Also, yeah, it's

405
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a very out argument to be made

406
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: that maybe one should also be concerned about the cost

407
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: the possible co conspirators and their activities or the victims. Uh,

408
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: there are many of them, and it's it's strange because

409
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: this is only the beginning. There's also this idea that's

410
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: not quite homicide, that Epstein was allowed to take his

411
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: own life, right, that someone maybe maybe using attorney client privilege,

412
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: someone got a message to him and said something about

413
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: his family, something like that, and then the guards are

414
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: paid to look away, or you know, a break happens

415
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: at a certain time, at the same time in yeah,

416
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: the cellmates, the cellmates schedaddled, and then you know, maybe

417
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: just uh, the implements required or the time required just

418
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: happens and he's expecting it. But this is this is

419
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: something I wanted to ask you guys about. This is

420
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: weird if it is true that instead of a hedge

421
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: fund manager, this man was essentially a concierge of child

422
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: abuse and procuring children for these older men to abuse.

423
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: If that's true, would he not have some sort of

424
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: dead hand or kill switch system that that seems to

425
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: be like the only insurance that would work. This is

426
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: the idea of some sort of dossier that would be

427
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: deployed to the authorities in the event of his untimely

428
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: death exactly. I think we talked about this last time.

429
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: He essentially would have the most potent and perfect black

430
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: male like ready for all of these powerful people because

431
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: part of the reason that he was able to wiggle

432
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: out of, you know, the clutches of the law in

433
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: the first place, was because of like his brutally aggressive

434
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: legal team. You know, I mean, he did not pull

435
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: any punches. He was protecting himself to the hilt. So yeah,

436
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: it's a little odd that who knows, maybe it has

437
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: and deployed and we just haven't heard about it yet.

438
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: But I guess the point being what you're saying, I

439
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: think is that it wouldn't make sense for them to

440
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: bump him off if he had something, If he had

441
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: something like that, unless it was taken care of, unless

442
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: they needed the time between getting him getting arrested and

443
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: the authorities going through all this stuff, maybe they discovered

444
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: what they were looking for. He also had lead time

445
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: and almost well in several cases where his property was searched.

446
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: That's why Palm Beach they didn't find hard drives, they

447
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: didn't find you know, CDs with video footage. What did

448
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: they find though, benout a fan of this, a fan

449
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: of this, and a fan is it's a very weird

450
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: flex the things they found. Oh yes, yes, okay. So

451
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: in Palm Beach they found all the wires in which

452
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: one would you know which that you'd use to hook

453
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: up recording apparatus and video. And then in Manhattan in

454
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: a safe they found a they found a fake passport. Now,

455
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: passport fraud works differently. Apparently if you are a millionaire

456
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: or possibly a billionaire, we would go to jail for that.

457
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: He was able to kind of explain it away though

458
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: authorities right. His lawyer argued that this passport came from

459
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: a friend due to concerns for Epstein's physical safety where

460
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: he was when he was traveling in places where there

461
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: was you know, a lot of anti Semitism. So he

462
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: had an Austrian passport, his picture, a different name, and

463
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: enlisted his residency of Saudi Arabia. We would be under

464
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: the jail. He also had, uh, he also had several

465
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: thousand in cash, I can't remember, forty grand or something

466
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, and then he he had a bag

467
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: of forty eight loose diamonds. Loose diamonds, which is conflict

468
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: territory currents. Absolutely. And we also haven't talked about the

469
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: drone footage of his island, private island in the Virgin Islands. Um. Yeah,

470
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: because he's he's a he's an island owning territory. He

471
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: is a bond villain level wealth. Yeah. And there's a

472
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: temple on the island, or what appears to be a temple.

473
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and call it a sex temple. It's

474
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: very very strange. That island is probably cleaned out sanitizer

475
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: under investigation by the authorities now, but I believe that

476
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: law enforcement. You can see on the drone footage they'd

477
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: started blacking out windows and stuff. I can't remember if

478
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: we talked about this last time or not, but I

479
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: just find this fascinating and very strange. On that island,

480
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: there are photographs of an event. He was a big

481
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: fan of hanging out with scientists and physicists. One of

482
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: his closest aids referred to him as having the mind

483
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 1: of a physicist, and um there was he would do

484
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: these scientific conferences on that very island where a lot

485
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: of this these alleged you know, abuses were said to

486
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: have taken place, and it included people like Stephen Hawking, Uh,

487
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: Nobel Laureates, you know, David Gross, Frank Vilchick, physicists, uh,

488
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: Jim Peebles, Alan Gooth, Kip Thorne, Lisa Randall. Again, he's

489
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: obviously giving money to their causes. It makes sense for

490
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: them to schmooze. This was before that the original allegations

491
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: came out, So not throwing any of them the bus.

492
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: But one of these scientists who absolutely is standing accused

493
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: of having forced sex with an underage girl is m

494
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: I T. Professor Marvin Minsky, who was a close friend

495
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: of Epstein and it was a very important figure in

496
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: the development of artificial intelligence. Right. Minsky died in twenty sixteen,

497
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: was known associate of Epstein, and in that seen deposition

498
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: which is where the recent unsealed documents come from, she

499
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: names him as one of the many prominent scientists with

500
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: ties to him, as she also names Dershowitz and Alan

501
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: dersh which has the strangest, most bizarre sort of denials

502
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: or justifications. He's saying things like, oh yeah, I got

503
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: a massage, but don't worry. It was from an old,

504
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: unattractive person, you know what I mean. And there were

505
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: a lot of kids around, but nothing weird happened. It's

506
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: difficult to parse this, but just just for a snapshot

507
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: of how much speculation is proliferating right now. And do

508
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: you want to mention a third category of theory that

509
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: I ran into, which is that Jeffrey Epstein somehow committed

510
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: pseudo side the fancy word for faking one's own death

511
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: and escaped by a long shot. This is the least

512
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: plausible idea, but this is just the beginning. Will pause

513
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor and then maybe dig

514
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: into more of the speculation, the footage, the group's involved,

515
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: the timeline of the death. We have returned. The reality

516
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: of the situation as it stands now means that we

517
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: are not working with all of the information and it

518
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: will continue to come out. But there are things that

519
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: we have to hit upon here. You know, one one

520
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: very creepy, disturbing quote was that acoust of quote from

521
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: earlier that somebody belongs to intelligence, What does that even mean?

522
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: What is that implying? It's the implication that they are

523
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: an asset or they are contracting out. So so for instance,

524
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: like in the in the intelligence community, for just making

525
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 1: up an example, let's say that you are you are

526
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: trying to conduct an operation in a country where that's

527
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: unfriendly to your intelligence agency, and you need to have

528
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: plausible deniability. So you're not actually doing stuff. You know,

529
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: you're not actually in the streets launching and coup and

530
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: overthrowing the government. However, you have some connections with a

531
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: local student union and they are protesting for democracy or

532
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: better access to lithium or whatever, and that's that. That's

533
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: the kind of thing. So somebody can work with an

534
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: intelligence um outfit and not themselves be a member of

535
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: the FBI or the or whatever. So the implication there

536
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: is that if we're going absolutely crazy, there's no hard

537
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,959
Speaker 1: proof of this yet, the implication there is that he

538
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: was uh practicing honey pot techniques or hunting traps if

539
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: you want to call him that sort of like what

540
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: the Steel dossier UM that Trump that you know, supposedly

541
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: existed on trump UM would have been in terms of

542
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: the Russian government setting honeypot traps for foreign dignitaries and

543
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: then using uh, you know, compromand on them to blackmail them. Yeah,

544
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: compromat with a K, which is such a crazy great word.

545
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: But the it's so odd that it seems so easy

546
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: to find the weird inclinations of you know, powerful people.

547
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: And perhaps it's a measure of gradients, you know, I

548
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: if we're being dystopian, what do you think about the

549
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: possibility of this scenario. What if after after a certain

550
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: amount of success, like real genuine merit, right, what if

551
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: you reach some social or financial threshold of influence and

552
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: power where to join the Inner circle you are required

553
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: to do certain things, right, like you are required perhaps

554
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: and this is very I have no proof of this.

555
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: I'm just asking there's a thought experiment like let's say

556
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: you're you are up for partnership or you're going to

557
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: join this you know, international bank whatever, and they say, okay,

558
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: Well to get into the inner circle, something we all

559
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: have to do, you know what I mean? Like black

560
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: mirror example would be having sexual congress with an animal. Right, Uh,

561
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: this is it? Something like this and it has to

562
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: be filmed and people who are in charge to get

563
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: to keep that just in case you start doing something

564
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: they don't like, right, and intelligence communities have done stuff

565
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: like this before, this extortion, this blackmail. It changes with

566
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: the age, the time and place. Like in countries where

567
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: homosexuality was outlawed, intelligence communities would collect that dirt on

568
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: people and say, you know, vote this way or do

569
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: this thing if you don't want your secret revealed. The

570
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: difference here being that homosexuality is very much not a crime,

571
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: and it's very much not a choice people make. It's

572
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: who they are and they should have the right to

573
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: live their lives. And this one was using child abuse.

574
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: If if that's the case. If that's the case, then

575
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: the argument becomes that Epstein has had a backer, a

576
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: state actor of some sort or a faction within a

577
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: state actor that was enabling his access and reaping the rewards.

578
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: But back to your question, Matt, the thing that really,

579
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: the thing that really horrifies me is the idea that

580
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: at some point the people who were if this were

581
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: some kind of intelligence operation, the people who are doing

582
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: this to children. Again, if it's all true, they agreed

583
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: to do it, you know what I mean, they consented

584
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: at least I don't know what what brings a person

585
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: to that point. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's

586
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: all conspiratorial. It has a it feels, at least in

587
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: my gut, like there was something like this occurring. I

588
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: cannot prove it um that that the United States or

589
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: some into eligence group was using him directly to do

590
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: this thing as a tool, as like you were saying, then,

591
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: as somebody who can go into a country, not as

592
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: a state actor, not as an official agent or something

593
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: like that, but has the wealth and influence to make

594
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: things happen. And he also has this ability to get

595
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: you what you want for your messed up fantasies, and

596
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: you will use that against you simultaneously. Absolutely, uh And

597
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: speaking of getting you what you want, this is really interesting.

598
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: We talked about some co conspirators, and you know, the

599
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: question is like, what's next. Okay, so we've got Epstein

600
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: is clearly out of the picture. Any prosecution against him

601
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: is kind of moot, but it's certainly not moot as

602
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: far as the victims are concerned. As far as the

603
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: fallout for some of these co conspirators, one of whom

604
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: is a British socialite and longtime pal of Epstein's by

605
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: the name of Ghislon Maxwell, who's fifty seven years old,

606
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: and ever since, UH the kind of renewed interest in

607
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: the case, has apparently been hiding out in a mansion

608
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: in Manchester by the Sea, Massachusetts, UH, an oceanfront property

609
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: owned by her CEO tech CEO boyfriend Scott Borgerson, who

610
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of does all the running around and walking over

611
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: her dog and getting groceries, and she very rarely leaves

612
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: the property. UM. She was named in that very same

613
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: deposition h that we've been quoting from and fought tooth

614
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: and nail to keep those pages, those two thousand pages

615
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: UM from that defamation lawsuit against her by Virginia Guffrey,

616
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: who was, you know, the one who was deposed and

617
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: gave all this information with these new individuals that were connected,

618
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: UM did not want that unsealed. And it is very

619
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: clearly someone that had something to do with this very

620
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: very real crime. I think no one's questioning that this happened,

621
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: that that this man was responsible for these crimes. I don't.

622
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: I know, he wasn't tried, but I just don't I

623
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: feel like he's being referred to as a pedophile. I mean, unequivocally.

624
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not fair. Maybe that's trying him in the

625
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: court of public opinion, because he definitely but he already

626
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: got tried in the courts, and they just kind of

627
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: push it away. But that's so confusing to me, Like

628
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: there wasn't even a verdict rendered, right, uh, in the

629
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: original one. Yeah, he was found guilty on that one count,

630
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: which on the account of soliciting a minor for prostitution.

631
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: Because like we said earlier, though even the way that

632
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: is framed really really is incredibly disrespectful to the victims.

633
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: It's not like they consented at all. You know. It

634
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: also goes do you know Dershowitz. Alan Dershowitz was scheduled

635
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: to do a mock trial in which he would defend

636
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: Biblical child traffickers. This is true, Yeah, at a place

637
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: called Temple Emmanuel Striker Center in New York. It was

638
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: originally gonna happen in November and got canceled because of

639
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff. He would be acting as defense

640
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: in the People versus Joseph's brothers. This is an annual

641
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: mock trial hosted by the Center based on stories from

642
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: the Torah, and the idea here was that they would

643
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: argue in front of the U. S. District Court judge

644
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: a person named Ronnie Abrams, and Abrams would decide whether

645
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: the brothers of Joseph, who appear in Genesis and the

646
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Torah and Bible, should be held guilty for selling young

647
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: Joseph as a slave to some kind of sick like

648
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: legal thought experiment. So strange. Well, there is some good

649
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: news ish, I guess. Senator Ben Sass, Republican from Nebraska,

650
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: just this week um urged William Barr, the Attorney General,

651
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: who himself was dubious of the the apparent suicide, said

652
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: that we need to launch an investigation whether or not

653
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: that's just optics. It's hard to say, you know, Um,

654
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: but Sas is calling to quote unquote rip up that

655
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: non prosecution deal from two thousand and eight and hold

656
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: his co conspirators accountable. Wow, that's real. They were just

657
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: given the past right like they weren't. Even there's no

658
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: black mark on their record as far as the law

659
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: is concerned, you know, no no legal ramifications. And they're

660
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: alive and well, living in million dollar palatial estates, you know,

661
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: by the sea exactly. And we have to wonder, look,

662
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: whether you think you're the most skeptical person has ever

663
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: set foot upon this crazy experiment of ours called Earth,

664
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: or whether you think the things that the mainstream considers

665
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: the most out there are the most true. The fact remains,

666
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: something very very rotten is present. Something happened and is

667
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: happening right, And we felt obligated to make this this

668
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: update you. But we will probably have to keep looking

669
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: into this because stories like this, as strange as it sounds,

670
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: they can disappear well. And at the very least, this

671
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: very strange handling of a very serious crime in the

672
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: original case, it's kind of being treated like not that

673
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: big a deal. You know what I mean? I know,

674
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you mean. Um, well, it makes

675
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: me want to go back to that New York Times

676
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: article for just one more minute, you guys. Uh to

677
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: the end, I'm gonna read a quote from this article again.

678
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: This makes so much sense to me. Okay, So imagine

679
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: right now, if we didn't know anything about Jeffrey Epstein,

680
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: we just knew what was on the surface about him.

681
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: He's some billionaire hedge fund manager guy that manages a

682
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: bunch of rich people's money. Um, that's all we know

683
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: about him. Right. Then imagine that Let's say we're sitting

684
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: in a hotel bar or something. Somebody walks up to

685
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: us and here's here's the quote. Um, imagine being told

686
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: all we know about him that he wasn't just a billionaire,

687
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: but a man mysteriously made and mysteriously protected who were

688
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: in a pedophile island with a temple to an unknown

689
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: god and plotted his own boys from Brazil endgame in

690
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: plain side of his Harvard d c. House of windsor Pals.

691
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: It's it would be insane. You would not believe that

692
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: for a second, that idea of a conspiracy theory feeling

693
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: so out there. It's perfectly represented there. But it's but

694
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: it's true. Oh no. But we've talked on the show

695
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: multiple times about how the term conspiracy theory itself is

696
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: so reductive and it's it's literally there's a word for it.

697
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: Then you might you might remember, um, just of of

698
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: like when you're trying it's that cognitive dissonance maybe, or

699
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: like when terminating cliche exactly, thank you, Yeah, for sure.

700
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: This is is this idea that by calling something that

701
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: you're dismissing its veracity on all levels, and you're you're

702
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: like basically belittling the person that's trying to discuss this

703
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: with you too, crackpot territory. And that's a really important

704
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: part to us about this show, is that we do

705
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: try to look at all sides and we talk about

706
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: these things for a reason, because even if you know

707
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: things are largely false, it's an interesting part of the

708
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: human condition to like look for answers and try to

709
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: even if it's in kind of a weird, reverse engineered way.

710
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: But this is a perfect example of a thing that

711
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: is absolutely provable on so many levels and absolutely represents

712
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: things that are happening in the shadows all the time.

713
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: I would say, I suggest that we since we can't

714
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: answer all the questions yet and maybe hopefully will be

715
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: able to one day, uh, I suggest we end on

716
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: one last question. If there was comproment, if there was

717
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: video or photographic footage or evidence of these crimes occurring,

718
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: like physically we could see, you know, these named co

719
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: conspirators and others engaging in these crimes. Who has the footage?

720
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: That would be one of the most explosive and powerful

721
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: things to possess. We know that somehow Epstein got hipped

722
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: to a search in advance at least once. So where

723
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: did it go? Did you destroy it? Is it somewhere else?

724
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: I bet it's backed up in multiple countries, in multiple banks.

725
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: I bet you that's where it is. That's just complete speculation,

726
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: but I can imagine him traveling around and putting it

727
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 1: in like a deposit box, building redundancy. Let's call this

728
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: breaking news. So we recorded the episode on Epstein yesterday,

729
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: which which just heard uh, and then it stayed with

730
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: us because we said it would be an imperfect update.

731
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: And I owe Matt and Noll an apology because I

732
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: started texting guys uh like four something in the morning

733
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: as more news broke. And so now we've gotten together,

734
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: I think we've all had about a collective four our

735
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: four hours of sleep. Yeah, Ben is not joking. It

736
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: really was four in the morning, and the stuff that

737
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: he was sending us was so explosive we realized we

738
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: absolutely had to add it to this episode. Yeah, the

739
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: three of us um as soon as we woke up

740
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: would have probably received tons of notifications about this stuff,

741
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: and we didn't want this episode to come out without

742
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: it because you see, uh, Jeffrey Epstein's bodyguard in Palm Springs.

743
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: A guy named Igor Zeno V former UFC fighter, former

744
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: UFC fighter, mysterious Russian m M A fighter. Uh, just

745
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: became the subject of a huge amount of scrutiny because

746
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: there is a text interview with him that was released

747
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: and is frankly chilling and damning. And Matt, you went

748
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: through and found excerpts of this thing. I did just

749
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: for a little more context. It's a phone call that

750
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: happened between this this journalist and Igor, and it's in

751
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: reference to her an update to a previous phone call

752
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: that they had in two thousand fifteen, and Igor like

753
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: apparently took forever to try and track him down. Nobody

754
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: has been able to get ahold of this guy. But

755
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: because this journalist had an inn already through speaking to

756
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: him in I guess Igor picked up the phone call.

757
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: And that journalist is M. L. N Stell who you know.

758
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: If that name pops up as a suicide, I would

759
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: also not believe it. Well, here's why. Let's let's get

760
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: into some of the quotations here. So, as we said,

761
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: this is in reference to a previous conversation. Now in

762
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: this version the twenty nineteen conversation, the journalist one more time.

763
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: What's her name? That is M. L. Nastell in E

764
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: S T E L okay. So Nastell is noticing that

765
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: Igor is being extremely evasive in the previous things that

766
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: he had stated in So I'm gonna let's read a

767
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: couple of things here. So this is Nastell, the journalist

768
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: in our conversation in you described his relationship with teenage girlfriends.

769
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: Quote so many time I tried to stop him. I

770
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: tried to tell him my opinion about that. He don't

771
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: listen to me. That's the reason why I'm not working

772
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: for him no more. I make him do that to

773
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: let me go. Do you remember saying that? And so

774
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: before we get to his response, wouldn't be clear that

775
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 1: because this is a phone call, Uh, the journalists made

776
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: the decision not to try to correct any grammar. No paraphrasing,

777
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: no paraphrasing. This is exactly the physical record of what

778
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: he gore said. So his response and the second interview

779
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: is it's not the teenage girls. I never see the

780
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: teenage girls. I tell you, I never see teenage girls

781
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: plenty of times what I work for him, I never

782
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: see anything on proper or teenage girls around him. That's

783
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: what I say. And again that quote from earlier from

784
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: the journalist is exactly what was stated the last time

785
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: they spoke. And he's now denying, why don't we go

786
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: on just a little bit. Doesn't even field attention here,

787
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: So he's so the journalist says, so now you say

788
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: you only saw him with women older than eighteen twenty all,

789
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: what I say. He has always been with girlfriends. And

790
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: there was a couple girls. I don't remember their names.

791
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: She was twenty five and worked for him as assistant,

792
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: maybe twenty five or twenty three whatever. I don't know

793
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: the age. Okay, but you definitely told me that last

794
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: time we talked. No, no, it's not that he working

795
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: like work release on other stuff. And I just tell him,

796
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, he would order his girlfriends around, and I

797
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: told him, calmed down, it's not just teenage girls. I

798
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: never see teenage girls in my life at his house.

799
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's a misunderstanding completely. Uh. And

800
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: then he goes on and it's true. I think that's

801
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: really important. It's true. Without hearing the intonation of the conversation,

802
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: we can maybe find ourselves reading some tea leaves. So basically,

803
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: he's backpedaling on the age like he unequivocally in the

804
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: first comment said I tried to stop him with a

805
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: teenage girl as it was weird, and then got the

806
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: amount of times he says teenage girls. In the second one,

807
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: the rebuttal or with I guess that where he kind

808
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: of pulls back. It sounds so much like he's got

809
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: something to hide or as a talking point. Yeah, So

810
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: we have to remember he was functioning as bodyguard and

811
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: driver sometimes and combat trainer and combat trainer in light

812
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: combat at least according at least according to Igor. But

813
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: he lived on in a guesthouse uh on a property

814
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: of Epstein. For a long time. He would drive Epstein

815
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: to locations where he would stay in the car. Epstein

816
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: would leave for a couple of hours and come back. Now,

817
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: most of this is during the time that Epstein was

818
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: in jail, but he was getting those twelve hour releases

819
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: where he would go and have these meetings and Igor

820
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: would just shuttle him around. So I want to go

821
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: to a different part of this too. So several times

822
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: in this interview the journalist is literally quoting verbatim back

823
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: to uh Igor. And there's this one part that really

824
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: stands out. And it's an old quote that he says,

825
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: all right. Uh, the journalists is saying, I understand this

826
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: is sensitive. Igor saying it's not sensitive, it's just kind

827
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: of a little incorrect. And then the journalist goes in

828
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: hard and says, it's exactly what you said. I can

829
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: send it to you. Here's something else you said. It

830
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: could be tricky. You know, normally he meaning Epstein always

831
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: checks his newspapers. Nothing about me. I say, no, He say,

832
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: they forget about me. And what I mentioned Epstein was

833
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: being exposed from messieing with teenage girls. You said, I'm

834
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: not surprised at all. I'm just surprised how low he

835
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: can be outside the real world. Someday is going to

836
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: call him and it will be real jail. He has

837
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: so much money he can pay it off me personally.

838
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: If I caught him with my daughter or something like that,

839
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to police. I do something

840
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: else much worse. That guy could try to assume me

841
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: and manipulate the situation with his money. That's the American way.

842
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: I know he's screwed up a lot of fashion girls. Also,

843
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: that's a different story. Why would he be so candid

844
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: like that, whether with a reporter. I guess he thought

845
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: it was untouchable, you know, like nothing would come of

846
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: it because nothing had. But that changed. No, I mean

847
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: would I would think he would consider, you know, especially

848
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: what he's saying about how powerful and rich Epstein is,

849
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: how he's he's untouchable. Why would he go out on

850
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: a limb like that about his employer and put himself

851
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: in the line of fire like well, he was he

852
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: was an employee, right. You can only speculate what Epstein

853
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: might have on him or something like that, But who

854
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: knows that kind of thing. In this case, it's just

855
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: a guy talking about his employer who was in a

856
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: lot of legal trouble. That's what I'm imagining. But I

857
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: see the motivation to like, it doesn't sound like good

858
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: housekeeping or good employee employer hygiene. Uh. But we have

859
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: to remember, legally speaking, we don't. This guy doesn't have

860
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: attorney client privilege or anything. I'm sure there might be

861
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: some sort of n d A, you know, or some equivalent.

862
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: But it gets really, it gets really spooky. And you

863
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: can read the entirety of the phone call, at least

864
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: for now, in the transcript form on n y mag

865
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: dot com. But let's let's look at another segment of this,

866
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: because this does escalate. Right now, we just have a

867
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: guy who sounds like he's trying to walk back some

868
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: some smack he was talking. But this next part is

869
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: very differ it. Yeah, it's just before we get into

870
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: really odd to me that he would walk it back

871
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: after he's dead, Like it seems like he would have

872
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: less to lose letting his original statements ride, and wasn't

873
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: the dangerous one that exactly there's something else going on here.

874
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: So he goes, I'm not afraid beyond that, just he

875
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: is dead. I don't want anything to be uncorrect. There's

876
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: too much in here. You know already he's dead, and

877
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: just like freaking people just leave him alone. Then the

878
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: journalist asked, hold on, when did you find out he died?

879
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: Saturday or Sunday or whenever? What did you think when

880
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: you found that out? What did I think? Yeah? Are

881
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: you sure you want to hear what I'm going to think? Yes,

882
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,479
Speaker 1: somebody helped him to do that. You think somebody helped

883
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: him kill himself? Yeah? Okay, why listen? You know that's

884
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: going a little too deep. I mean, I'm just trying

885
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: to understand that maybe you'd be happy he was dead,

886
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: or you would be upset. I don't know, are you

887
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: even feeling anything? A nuts said, I mean, I didn't

888
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: have anything against him, like a bad thing. You know,

889
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't care about his life completely. I don't give

890
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: let's say, like crap about how he died, how we live,

891
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 1: or how he's managed, how he's managed. How many years

892
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: did you live in his house? Five or six years

893
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: in Palm Beach, that's a long time. Yeah, you don't

894
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: have any emotion after learning he died. Did you think

895
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: it would happen to him? It's unexpectable. Well, it's like,

896
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: well I realized others tried to talk to you. Did

897
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: he ever offer money? Uh? Did he anybody ever try

898
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: to silence? You? Know? I get that, but you and

899
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: I have a history at this point. One thing he

900
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: told me, for instance, okay, one thing you told me

901
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: is he got a head's up to when the authorities

902
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: were going to come to his house the night before. Listen,

903
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: what you say is between you and me. You told

904
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: me he would get phone calls the night before at

905
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: eight o'clock the police are going to come. He would

906
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: get a heads up from the local police. We've got

907
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: some silence and serious silence here. You told me that, Igor,

908
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: Do you want me to read the quote back to you. Well,

909
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: you can read whatever you want right now, don't just

910
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: you can put yourself in big trouble. Who Yeah, that's

911
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: what he said, you can put yourself into Well. I

912
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a threat from him. I mean

913
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: it sounds like he's a little scared, more of a

914
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: warning and it goes on because the journalists, this journalist

915
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: is top notch. Yeah, like here he is reading the quote.

916
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: You said, he always do something wrong. There was some

917
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: nights in question, there was at home arrest and police

918
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: before they come to the house, they call him and

919
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: tell him they're coming in at eight o'clock in the morning.

920
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: It's all corruption, you know, it's all bulle listen, don't

921
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: put yourself in trouble. Seriously, Okay. Pause. So that is

922
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: a huge implication there, or a huge accusation. Is a

923
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: huge statement saying that the local police. We talked about

924
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: this in the episode, how he would get a heads

925
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: up and know, like to clean things out of the

926
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: house if they were if the authorities were coming over

927
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: in the morning. This is what the bodyguard who lived

928
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: with him is saying is happening. Yeah, which is not

929
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, not smoking gun proof, but is very chilling,

930
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: circumstantial proof. And then from here on Igor attempts to

931
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: persuade this journalist to drop it, to let this stuff go.

932
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: And we left off where he says, don't put yourself

933
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: in trouble. Seriously, but the reporter, just like you know,

934
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: a more a eel clamping down continues. We talked about this.

935
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: I understand, we got this. I'm telling you to give

936
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: you a chance to remember because we talked about this stuff.

937
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: I know it's hard. I don't know what you mean

938
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: about put myself in trouble. Let that go, seriously, let

939
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: that go. Why is it so important? Are you worried

940
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: about the local cops? Listen, you're really smart, and I'm

941
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: not going to offer that over the phone right now. Okay,

942
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: you're really smart. You have no idea? Please, what do

943
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: you mean by that? I can't explain you. I can't

944
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: explain you over the phone any of this. You said

945
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: that last time, and we didn't talk for years. You

946
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: can tell the world who this guy was. You were

947
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: with him for a long time. You know what I mean, silence.

948
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: I totally understand that you think he could have had

949
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: help committing suicide. First of all, I have to go

950
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: right now. I have another client still training people. Yes,

951
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: but just be careful. I am not kidding. What's your

952
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: emails so I can send him do any kind of

953
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: that stuff? Just don't play it seriously? Can you tell

954
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: me why I can't? I can't. I ask you one

955
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: more question? Go ahead. Have you been talking to anyone

956
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: in the government, the FBI? Have they come to you.

957
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: There's a long pause here. Um, great, talking to you serious?

958
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: Will we talk later? Really? Bye? All right bye? That's insane.

959
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: That was four am last night. Where as we're reading

960
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: through all of that. Um, it's bonkers, man. Whoa so

961
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: again not full proof, no, but chilling, chilling stuff and

962
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: especially all the better. You better watch it. Seriously, Let

963
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: that go. Let it go. Man, that's like some movie

964
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: stuff right there. I mean, well, that is a dangerous dude.

965
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: This is a This is an m M A fighter

966
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: who was good at his job. There's a picture of

967
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: him too, so he is kind of enigmatic. We don't

968
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: have a lot of information on him yet, but we

969
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: have another quick update. We found those those prison guards

970
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: that we mentioned, who I think, as you have mentioned all,

971
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: they had been asleep and falsified records on the night

972
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: of the death, or that at the time of the

973
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: death at the very least they did not check on

974
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: him at all and claimed that they did. I was

975
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: the sleep thing confirmed. Apparently, Yes, apparently they were not

976
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: only sleeping on their job literally they were also not

977
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: the regular guards. They were temporary guards who had been

978
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: assigned UH. And it feels weird to say, you know,

979
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: it's my first few days of work like some guy,

980
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: I probably don't know that well, but I'm comfortable enough

981
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: for both of us to snuggle up and take a snooze.

982
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe people have just a very different sense

983
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: of boundaries, especially with what's at stake. And we did

984
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: talk about a little bit about how within the United

985
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,479
Speaker 1: States UH system of prisons, there's a lot of being

986
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: overworked as employees. So like taking an app I don't know,

987
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: it's not completely out of out of bounds of reason,

988
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: but at the same time, for two at the same

989
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: time and right when they were temporarily brought on on

990
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: the day of this event. Yeah, I mean, it sure

991
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: seems like there was some manipulation going on. Maybe they

992
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: were brought in because they were in the know, you know,

993
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: like there they weren't gonna ask questions. I don't know

994
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: who knows, but so that certainly continues to make the

995
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:09,479
Speaker 1: mind real. And then we got the autopsy results back. Well,

996
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: we got part of partial and this is this is

997
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: the other thing we found. Uh in the wee hours

998
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: of the morning. A report from the Washington Post cited

999
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: two people familiar with the findings of one of the autopsies,

1000
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: and it shows that Jeffrey Epstein sustained multiple breaks in

1001
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: his neck bones, including what's called as high woid bone.

1002
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: That's sort of a like a picture of horseshoe and

1003
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: if you're a dude, it's located in your adam's apple.

1004
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: And the Post says, quote, such breaks can occur in

1005
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according

1006
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: to forensic experts and studies on the subject, but they

1007
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation. Yeah.

1008
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: And I and let's not forget that other attempt or.

1009
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: He had bruising around his neck. And I don't know

1010
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: that we mentioned this in the in the main part

1011
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: of the episode, but there were shrieks heard coming from

1012
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: his cell. You know, you don't. I didn't even know

1013
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: that you don't. You don't shriek when you're hanging yourself,

1014
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: when you're being strangled, or when you're being attacked. And

1015
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: I had a really great conversation um with Jack O'Brien.

1016
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: We're actually just f y I pepin the card. We're

1017
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: in Orlando for this podcast convention podcast movement, and I

1018
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: have been lucky not to get to hang with some

1019
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: of the West Coast folks from from our network. And Jack,

1020
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: who does the Daily Zeite Guys Fantastic show, was really

1021
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: interested in this and we all spoke to him about

1022
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: it briefly. But um, he made the point of this

1023
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: is a guy who has demonstrated zero remorse, who has

1024
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: been able to wiggle his way out of every situation

1025
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: that he's been in because of his sheer wealth and

1026
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: opulence and in connections. Right, I would say absolutely all

1027
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: of that combined. This is not a man who kills

1028
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: himself out of shame. This is a man who waits

1029
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: it out and sees what's gonna happen and sees what

1030
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: kind of out he can get. You know, it doesn't

1031
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: make any sense. Yeah, he was already shamed. If the

1032
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: shame was going to do it for him, why didn't

1033
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: he do it? Why didn't he kill himself before? He

1034
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: also doesn't have a big family that we know of,

1035
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: children that we know of, because the typical mob or

1036
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: criminal tactic would be to coerce suicide by threatening ones

1037
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: loved ones, right, But they that leverage doesn't seem to exist.

1038
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: I was on the Daily Zeite Guys Jack and Miles

1039
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: podcast talking about epstein Um a little bit more and

1040
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: they made the same point again, but before this information

1041
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: came out. You know, in this show, we're very careful

1042
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: to be very clear with all of our fellow listeners

1043
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: if we're giving out our opinion rather than facts, and

1044
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, I have to be honest. This is just

1045
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: my opinion, and I definitely don't speak for everybody. But

1046
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: this is rotten. Something is not right. This guy did

1047
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: for for one or two of these circumstances to happen. Sure, okay, right,

1048
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: overworked prison guards are not at their job, right, or

1049
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: maybe someone with suicidal ideation is misdiagnosed by an overworked psychologist,

1050
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: right or psychiatrist. But for all these different things that

1051
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: happen at once at the same time. It's it can't

1052
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: be a coincidence. I feel like I'm Charlie Day and

1053
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: always stunny in Philadelphia in the mail room, pointing its

1054
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: stuff with a bunch of red string here. But I

1055
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: don't think it's off base. Who is Peppe? Who is pepe?

1056
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't even exist? There is no Pepe How many

1057
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: time I don't know, I don't think I don't remember this. See,

1058
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't know who Peppen is either. Um. No, that's

1059
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: the thing, and that's why that that OpEd that we

1060
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: led led the show with. I think it's so interesting

1061
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: because this idea of a conspiracy theory or a conspiracy

1062
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: theorist is like a thought terminating cliche. Um, this is this.

1063
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: These are two very real things. Conspiracies where people collude together,

1064
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, for an end, a common end, and theory

1065
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: is a way of discussing open mindedly, hopefully in our case,

1066
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: those potential collusions. And this is just a clear cut

1067
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: case where these theories that we're putting out there are

1068
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: absolutely plausible. Yeah, I wouldn't even call this conspiracy theorized.

1069
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: And at this point it's much more like investigative true crime,

1070
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: following the bread crumbs and putting together in the puzzle. Okay,

1071
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: not back to the thing from yesterday. We want to

1072
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: hear from you. Let us let us know what you

1073
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: think about this story. Is it's a story that will

1074
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: somehow fade from the news. Is this just another chapter?

1075
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: What would be along continuing saga? And do you believe

1076
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: this idea about ties with intelligence agencies? And if so, uh,

1077
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: do you also believe that there's a situation where he

1078
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: captured footage? And do you think there are other situations

1079
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: in the past that we should be looking into that

1080
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: are kind of like that that have occurred. Maybe we

1081
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: just don't know about it yet. Send it our way.

1082
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter and Facebook where we're

1083
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: Conspiracy Stuff on Instagram or Conspiracy Stuff Show. You can

1084
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: hang out at our community page on Facebook called Here's

1085
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: where it Gets Crazy. You can have discussions about this

1086
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: and all other topics there with your fellow conspiracy realists.

1087
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: That page was going nuts when this news dropped. Yeah,

1088
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: check out all the memes. It's it's pretty interesting stuff.

1089
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: You can give us a call. We are one eight

1090
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: three three st d w y T k Leave a message,

1091
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: tell us what you think. Make sure to tell us

1092
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: if you do or do not want your name on

1093
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: the air, or you know, just any specifics. Three minute

1094
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: cut off. Try to keep it within three to do

1095
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: it tight three. Yeah, y'all keep leaving messages. There are hundreds,

1096
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds for us to let me rephrase that.

1097
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: If it needs to be longer than a tight three,

1098
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: you can call back and do a continuation. Sometimes these

1099
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: stories take longer than three minutes, and it's unfortunately a

1100
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: limitation of this voicemail service that we have, But we

1101
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: definitely want to hear from you, and a lot of

1102
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: you have already h sent us messages via voicemail about

1103
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and thank you, thank you for writing to us.

1104
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: We do also want to let anyone listening know that

1105
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: if you have found yourself in an abusive situation, who

1106
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: knows someone who needs help, You are not alone. Neither

1107
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: are they. There are twenty four seven crisis resources and hotlines.

1108
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: You could call one eight hundred six five six hope

1109
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: that's six five six four six seven three to speak

1110
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: with counselors twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.

1111
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: That's fantastic Thank you for doing that, Ben. And if

1112
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: you don't want to do any of the communication with

1113
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: us and you just want to send us a good

1114
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: old fashioned email, we are conspiracy at iHeart radio dot com.

1115
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: Stuff they Don't want you to Know is a production

1116
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: of iHeart Radio's How Stuff Works. For more podcasts from

1117
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: my heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

1118
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.