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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

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Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame,

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Speaker 2: Mike Raybold.

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Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight.

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Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 2: coy Or. Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard,

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Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 3: Good to be home, Good to see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tough one. I hate to make comparisons

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Speaker 3: as a coach. It's not fair to either player. Really.

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Speaker 4: You see similar qualities obviously, the ability to throw the

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Speaker 4: his legs. Both are very good at that, obviously. I'm

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Speaker 4: you know, a lot of gauge gap there and experience gap.

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Speaker 4: But you do see similar qualities, that is for sure.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, any.

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Speaker 4: Similarities between these two guys A little bit, Yeah, a

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Speaker 3: I mean, both guys use their legs. That are advantage

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Speaker 4: You know the knock on on Josh, if there was one,

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Speaker 4: there are similar similarity. Excuse me, but I hate to

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Speaker 4: make comparisons. I mean, obviously different players, but you do

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Speaker 4: see some of the similar play style.

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Speaker 3: I see a little bit just about how do you feel?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't see it. I had no idea, and

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Speaker 4: and then I just know I was watching tape in

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Speaker 4: the early in the morning and he came in and

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Speaker 4: and said what he you know, what he had said.

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Speaker 4: And then I mean, I have draws back at all costs.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we have a great relationship. We're very commutative.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't tell I took no offense to that whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: I think it was taken out of context, as he said,

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Speaker 5: And they're very transparently play call thoughts is their regret.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's uh, you know, I know Jonathan

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Speaker 3: There was nobody more pissed off than I was.

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Speaker 4: I can promise you that you know, no uh, no

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Speaker 3: We had the right numbers for the right people, and

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Speaker 3: it didn't work. You know.

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Speaker 4: Obviously in hindsight, it's easy to look back and say,

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Speaker 4: We called a similar play in the goal line and

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Speaker 4: It was a strange game in that regard, But it's tough.

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Speaker 4: But again, schematically we had the right call on we

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Speaker 6: That was mentioned knowing that Jonathan was set. Do you

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Speaker 6: I hope the form of a quarterback sneak can be

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Speaker 3: You're preparing your script when you're.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, you absolutely well mark plays off if it's

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Speaker 4: but we felt like we had a good matchup inside

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Speaker 7: because it seems like it does have built some momentum,

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Speaker 4: That's where we're at right now. It's situational football. I

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Speaker 6: That was your experience playing and coaching is difficult, losing

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Speaker 4: Been Yeah, it's never fun. It's never fun. The one

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Speaker 4: still playing extremely hard. You know, there's nobody that's tanked

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Speaker 4: I mean, the guys are really playing hard. The big

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Speaker 4: thing is just again, this is about progression. We're trying

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Speaker 3: Had a conversation with Robert or Drop and since that, as.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned, you know, keeping Drake healthy for these last

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, there's no question you know, if it's

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Speaker 3: I know what comes with that. There is a big

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Speaker 2: I haven't talked to Robert. He mentioned how to talk

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Speaker 4: Yet when you see a clip like that, does that

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Speaker 7: To explain your decision made?

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Speaker 4: You know, my door is always open and obviously the

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Speaker 4: you know, the Crafts, I answer to those guys, So

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Speaker 4: if they ever want to come down and talk, my

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Speaker 4: door's open. I've had great conversations with Robert over the

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Speaker 3: So yep, always willing and always available.

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Speaker 3: And I understand that's the competitive nature of these guys.

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Speaker 4: You know, we had a really good conversation on Monday,

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Speaker 4: and I just reiterated to him, you know, if there's

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Speaker 4: the course of the game. So real, positive conversation with him.

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Speaker 4: Excited to see him come out and make place for

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