1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 4: Term career goals. 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: episode is airing in early May of twenty twenty six. 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: Sarah and I are going to do some life updates 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: of various travel we've been doing lately, and then we're 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: going to spend a little time talking about Big Time. 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: So this is my new book that's out today when 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: this comes out, so a couple things we want to 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: share with this audience. Really appreciate everyone being willing to 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: listen to this. But so Sarah, it has been a 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: whirlwind of a month for travel for you, hasn't it. 22 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: Yes, speaking of Big Time and fitting a lot into 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: our limited but expansive hours, this has been like a 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: record streak for me in terms of travel, and I'm 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: coming at you from the middle of it, and I 26 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 3: have to say it's going better than anticipated. My saving 27 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: grace is that every single one of these trips has 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 3: been short, and most of them have actually not involved 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 3: that much missing of work, like They've been little weekend trips. 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: But in the past three weeks, I've done a family 31 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: trip to Disney World, a family weekend in Naples, a 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: family trip to Gainesville for the State Gymnastics Championships, and 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: then finally a solo trip to Williamstown for my college 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: a cappella group reunion, which was life affirming. 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: Yes, well, I mean, let's talk a little bit about 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: why you decided to do that. I mean, because that 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: actually sort of does tie into the theme of this episode. 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: It totally does. And I mean, the funny thing is 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: this was not on my twenty twenty six list of plans. 40 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: You guys know, I love my annual plans, and I 41 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: do a lot of thought about what the travel is 42 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 3: that I'm going to fit in. But the invite actually 43 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: did not arrive for this event until maybe February or so. 44 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: I already had my call schedule, I already had all 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: these other trips booked and I saw it and thought, Wow, 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: that sounds really fun and I'd love to do it, 47 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: but I shouldn't because it's going to be crazy. I 48 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: already have so much there, I already put so much 49 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: on my plate. I'm gonna regret it. But then it 50 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: just kind of kept like circling back into my head, 51 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: and I, on a whim, texted two of the women 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: that I hadn't really communicated within years and I hadn't 53 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: seen in person since I went to this same reunion 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: in two thousand and seven, okay, nineteen years ago. I'm like, 55 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: are you guys going to this? And they're like, actually, 56 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: we are. And one of them was flying with another 57 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: one from California, and I'm like, Okay, if they can 58 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: fly across the country, I can fly up the coast. Okay, 59 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 3: I can make this happen. And Laura said, it sounds 60 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: like this is one of those things that you want 61 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: to do and you're trying to talk yourself out of, 62 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: and in my experience, that is something you should just 63 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: go ahead and do. And she was so right, because 64 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: I'm actually recording this the day after I got back. Yes, 65 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: it was a busy weekend I mean, Friday was the 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: crazy day because I worked a full day of clinic, 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 3: signed out my call week. I actually wasn't on call 68 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: for the weekend, thankfully, but I had to be on 69 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 3: call until five. Left for the airport at four forty 70 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: five and got on a flight and was an Albany 71 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: by ten and Williamstown by eleven twenty. So it was 72 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: quite a long day. But I arrived at my hotel 73 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: to a group of people singing outside the hotel like 74 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: a song that I knew from when I was nineteen 75 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: or twenty. It was magical and like then, we spent 76 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: the whole next day singing together, catching up honestly, sort 77 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: of role playing college because unlike a reunion, there's like 78 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: less schmoozing. It was more like, no, we're just doing 79 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: that than we used to do, and it was just 80 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: such a blast. So yeah, I think that is such 81 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: a big time type of thing, Like your book would 82 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: argue that we have space for things like that, when 83 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 3: I think a lot of sort of like typical time 84 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 3: management advice would be like, don't do too much, you're 85 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 3: in a busy season. 86 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that Rubric's actually in there. 87 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 4: So when people get a copy and say. 88 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: In chapter six, there's a little discussion about in life 89 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: you want to spend I would say, like less time 90 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: on things that you're trying to talk yourself into. 91 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 3: Like you're not initially excited, but. 92 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: Then you're like, oh, well it won't be that hard, 93 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: it won't be that crazy, it might look good on 94 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 2: my resume. 95 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 4: Whenever it is you don't do it, I should do it. 96 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: Those are the things you probably want to just let 97 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: them go, Whereas it's the things that you are trying 98 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: to talk yourself out of that are where you need 99 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: to set up and pay attention because like you are excited, 100 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 2: like you want to do it, it's just that it's 101 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: outside your comfort zone, or it is going to be 102 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: logistically difficult, or you might need to call in a 103 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: favor from a colleague or a friend or your partner 104 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: or something like that. And so you're like, oh, I 105 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: have to deal with all this stuff. But a lot 106 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: of logistics can be dealt with. I mean, you managed 107 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: to make it right, Like you got yourself up on 108 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: a flight to Albany and just had this amazing experience. 109 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: I'm so happy to hear that I did. 110 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: And there's some best of both worlds lessons in there too, 111 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: I think because when I got home, I had been 112 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: away from my kids for what like forty hours, Like 113 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 3: it just really wasn't very much time. They were fine, 114 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: they went to all their stuff, and I actually think 115 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: it was so valuable for me to show them the 116 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: videos and talk about what I did and I had 117 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: these lasting friendships in college and how I went off 118 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 3: and saw them again, because I actually think that them 119 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: seeing that is probably going to be a more valuable 120 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: life lesson for them than if I had actually been 121 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: home with them. And yet that also turns on its head, 122 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: you're a bad mom if you like leave your kids 123 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 3: kind or something like that. 124 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, well there you go. 125 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: Well you had a very exciting past few weeks as well. 126 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: You had a one on one trip with one of 127 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: your kids. You want to tell our listeners about that. 128 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 4: Yeah. 129 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: So over spring break, Sam, who is my sixteen year old, 130 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: he's kid number two in the list, He and I 131 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: went to Japan for ten days. We flew from Newark, 132 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: New Jersey, directly to Tokyo. United has a flight that 133 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: is thirteen and a half hours long that goes from Newark, 134 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: New Jersey to Tokyo. So we got there and we 135 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: spent Yeah, it was then at that point, like nine 136 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: days in Japan. 137 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: We did Tokyo for. 138 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: Three nights, then we went to Kyoto for three nights. 139 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: We went to Osaka for two nights, and then back 140 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: up to Tokyo for one night before taking off. And 141 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: I mean, it was just such a great trip. We 142 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: had so many any wonderful experiences. I mean in terms 143 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: of core memories, I mean seeing the cherry blossoms in Japan. 144 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: We managed to hit peak cherry blossom. Nailed it, which 145 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: is we nailed it. I mean, and yes, it's always 146 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: in that window, but it could have been that it 147 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: bloomed like the second week of April, or it could 148 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: have been done by the time we got there. 149 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you can't. 150 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: It's just a function of how the warmth and the 151 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: weather unfolds in March, and so there's no guarantee. But 152 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: we hit it, especially in Kyoto. Kyoto is the beautiful 153 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: old city and had all the white blossoms everywhere, so 154 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: that was quite lovely enjoyed. 155 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: Seeing that. We ate some great food. 156 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you sent me pictures. I was like, 157 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: I want that yeah, I mean it was. 158 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: This is the kid I had to take this trip with. 159 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: I don't think any of my other kids could have 160 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: been quite like this in that he will eat what 161 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: is put in front of him. And in an American context, 162 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: that is one thing. 163 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: In Japan. 164 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: I mean, there was like little squid with the tentacles 165 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: on them, likes that still had eyeballs attached, and like, 166 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: I think there's a great many adults who consider themselves 167 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: adventurous eaters who might be a little bit wigged out 168 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: by the tentacles and eyeballs thing. 169 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 4: But he just did it. 170 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: He did it. 171 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: We had this chicken hot pot at a we went 172 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: to a just home cooking outside Kyo two and we 173 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 2: were like the Lake Biuois region, and one of our 174 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: stops on our tours just this older couple's home to 175 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: do sort of Japanese home cooking and they put their 176 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: chicken hot pot stuff in raw egg as like the topping, 177 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: I mean, and he ate it. He ate all of it. 178 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: He was just like digging up, which of course they love. 179 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: They're like, oh, teenage boy appetites here for the wind. 180 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: And an American but it was not picky at all. 181 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 4: We love that. 182 00:08:59,360 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 183 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, So we had a great time. 184 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: We did a lot of really cool We went to 185 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: Universal Studios Osaka. 186 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: That was really cool. 187 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: My son got to ride the Flying Dinosaur, which he 188 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: was excited about. 189 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 4: I did not go on that, but more power to him. 190 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: And then we got to see Super Nintendo World, which 191 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: he had not been able to go to when he 192 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: was in Universal Studios in Florida. So that was kind 193 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: of an exciting thing to get to see the Nintendo 194 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: stuff in Japan. 195 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 4: The rides, so many many cool highlights. We had a 196 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 4: great time. 197 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 3: The only thing missing from that well two things, Stationary 198 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 3: and Pokemon, but I'm assuming they made some kind of appearance. 199 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he's not into Pokemon anymore. I kind 200 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: of aged out of that. I guess if he had 201 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: gone when he was seven, he might have been really 202 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: into it. But I did stop at two stationary stores Sarah. 203 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: I did two stores in Tokyo, and I didn't wind 204 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: up buying anything, partly because the lines were kind of ridiculous, 205 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: and also I just try not to do too much 206 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: supad air shopping because I always do carry out only. 207 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: But it was really cool to look at stuff. 208 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: I enjoyed that totally. 209 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: Well, one more thing before we break is that if 210 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: you would like to know what Laura did for thirteen 211 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: and a half hours on her flight, she has a 212 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: play by play available in her substack. I believe it's 213 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: beyond the paywall, so you would have to become a 214 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: paying substack customer. But it was pretty funny to be 215 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: like hour by hour and things might have I don't know, 216 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 3: I don't want to say fell apart, but it was 217 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 3: just funny. 218 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 4: To deteriorate it by the end. 219 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: I think things always deteriorate by the end of a 220 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: thirteen and a half hour flight. I mean, Sarah, like, 221 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: you're flying to Hawaii this summer. Have you even thought 222 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: about that what you intend to do? 223 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: Yeah? 224 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: And I think that's more. I think we're even going 225 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: to have more than thirteen hours in the air. 226 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 4: Because because you're connecting. 227 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 228 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, not, we're connecting twice because I kind of like 229 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: fell for a point steal, So we're like flying to 230 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: Orlando first, as one does when they want to get 231 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 3: a twenty five thousand dollars point redemption to MAUI. I mean, 232 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: come on, so twenty five thousand dollars, well, twenty five 233 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: thousand points, which is like two which is like amazing. Yeah, 234 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: so it's a sad deal. 235 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: Think it would cost that much to fly five people 236 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 4: to Mawi. 237 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: Maybe, I'm no, no, no, This was me getting a 238 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: bargain and okay, grabbing it and saying, you know what, 239 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: we can go to Orlando first. That's fine, but no 240 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: I haven't. Future Sarah may not be very happy with 241 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: you when we get there. Future Sarah, who arrives in 242 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: Hawaii at nine pm Hawaii time aka what is that 243 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 3: three am? My time is going to be so happy 244 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: with that choice. So I think there'll be a lot 245 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: of sleeping, probably a TV show to binge watch, and 246 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: I will bring at least one juicy book to read. 247 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 4: Exciting. Yeah that's a good thing. Well, I mean probably 248 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 4: though with that long of a flight. 249 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: So I brought a book to read and it was 250 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 2: a great book and it filled three and a half hours. 251 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: The book may fill one of my legs. 252 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: One of the legs. Yeah, I still have ten hours 253 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: to go. So, yes, it was a long long flight. 254 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: Flying is I mean to me, it's kind of like 255 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: the necessary evil to get to amazing place and you 256 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: could get anywhere on the globe with a flight, I 257 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: mean two flights. Usually Sarah's doing three, but in many 258 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: places you can do two I guess max three and 259 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: get to a lot of places. But one of those 260 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: flights could be very long, but you will probably be 261 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: just about anywhere in about twenty four hours. 262 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 4: So that's kind of cool. 263 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: It's kind of amazing to think about. 264 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 265 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're going to take a quick ad break 266 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: and then we will be back talking about how time 267 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: is big enough for that. 268 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: Well, we are back and we are going to talk 269 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: all about Big Time, which is having its I don't 270 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: know birthday today. Is that what you call your book 271 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: launch day? 272 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 4: Birthday today? 273 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: Sure? 274 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 4: Pub day launch day. 275 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we raising a virtual glass. If you're listening to 276 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: this in the morning, you can raise your raise your 277 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: coffee club two up to Big Time. 278 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: Yes, And this is Laura's fourth full length book since 279 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: we started Best of Both Worlds, which is kind of amazing. Plus, 280 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: there was an ebook called The New Corner Office about 281 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: working from home during COVID and when I went to 282 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: your website and it lists all of your publications, including fiction. 283 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 3: This is your tenth book. Yep, that is amazing. What 284 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: an incredible milestone. So that must mean that you had 285 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: something else that you wanted to say about time, and 286 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: I think you absolutely did that. In this book. There 287 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 3: is definitely kind of new insights and new stuff, but 288 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 3: let's start with the obvious, Like, what did you mean 289 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 3: by Big Time? Where did this come from? Yeah? 290 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: So, I mean Big Time is about what happens when 291 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 2: you move beyond a mindset of time scarcity and truly 292 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: believe that there is enough time for the things that 293 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: matter to you. And I really do think it is 294 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: possible for us to fall in love with our schedules, 295 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: and Big Time has lots of practical strategies to do 296 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: just that. Like, I want people to come out of 297 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: this feeling excited about life, excited about their time, Like 298 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: I've got this pot of hours that I get to 299 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: manage and I'm going to do awesome life affirming things 300 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: with it. 301 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: I feel like that's so Like with many abstract concepts, 302 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: there's two different ways of looking at things. You can 303 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: look at life as it's very limited, I have to 304 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: be in a hurry, every day is crunched, or you 305 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: can look at it as wow, eighty seven sixty is 306 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: that right? Hours in a year? Like that is a 307 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: lot of hours. I actually have so much time and 308 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 3: so much choice as to what I do. It's the 309 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: same exact thing and two completely different lenses, And I 310 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: feel like this book does such a good job of 311 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 3: steering you down all kinds of practical ways that you 312 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: can really see it through that more abundant lens, which 313 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: is absolutely a more fun way to live. So what 314 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: are you hoping people will get out of reading this book. 315 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: I'm hoping that they will stop feeling like time is 316 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: this total crimeunch that they need to be rushed and 317 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: harried through all of life. I hope that people will 318 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: challenge themselves to make space in their life for things 319 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: that they are excited about, whether that is big personal projects, 320 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: whether it is taking trips like going to your college 321 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: a cappella reunion, whether that is a big new work project, 322 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: or even just the way you approach your downtime, that 323 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: all of these areas are ripe for making intentional choices 324 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: that allow us to experience more joy in our lives. 325 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 326 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: Now, this book had a lot of data behind it, 327 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: and I think that brought about a lot of these 328 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: newer revelations and kind of like the practical backbone behind 329 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: it can you talk about all the way that you 330 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 3: delved into actual people's experience and got real numbers to 331 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: back up some of these ideas. 332 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, part of writing self help for busy 333 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: people is you want to. 334 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 4: Know that stuff works. 335 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: And so as part of this book, I did four 336 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: new challenges that I analyzed in some way or another, 337 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: and three were full scale studies. I have a researcher 338 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: I work with who has a PhD in survey design, 339 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: so that we try to come up with stuff that 340 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: can take impressions about time and turn them into numerical 341 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: insights that might be helpful for people. And so I mean, 342 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: among the challenges I did for this was having people 343 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: track their time for a week. I mean, longtime listeners 344 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: of the show know that I'm always trying to get 345 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: people to track their time for a week. So for 346 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: Big Time, I asked, well, what happens when people do 347 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: track their time for a week, And I'm happy to 348 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: report that their sense of time satisfaction and rises to 349 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: a significant degree. 350 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 4: And I talk a little bit about that. 351 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: I had people try out a couple strategies for making 352 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: the day to day experience of work more enjoyable. If 353 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: you ask people how they feel about their jobs, A 354 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: lot of people will be like, yeah, my job's fine. 355 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: Right. 356 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: However, if you ask them at ten am, when they 357 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: are stuck in a staff meeting how they are feeling 358 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: about work, they tend to be watching the clock hoping 359 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: they are on the other side of this boring staff meeting. 360 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: And so I'm very interested in this hour by hour 361 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: experience of work and how we can make it better. 362 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 2: And so I had people try out a couple strategies 363 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: over the course of three weeks, and again they were 364 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: able to exert a lot more agency over the experience 365 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 2: of their working life, to the point where some people 366 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: are like, well, I thought about leaving my job. I 367 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: may do that at some point, but I don't feel 368 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 2: like I have to. I feel like I have things 369 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: I can do at this job to make it better 370 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: if I choose to, as I am also looking for 371 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: what else is out there, like I have control over 372 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 2: the situation in either way. I had people try out 373 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: some evening experiences. We've talked about golden hours and setting 374 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: evening intentions and what no. A lot of people have 375 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: at least sometime in the evenings after work and before 376 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: bad in many cases, this is the bulk of the 377 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: leisure or family time people will get to experience during 378 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: the week. It is also incredibly hard to use that 379 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 2: time well. So I had hundreds of people try out 380 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: strategies for making more of this time, and then, as 381 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: one sort of quirky little challenge, I had about two 382 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: hundred people go on a multi week yes quest where 383 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: we just said yes to things that sounded intriguing, right, 384 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: the sort of things that you might be talking yourself 385 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: out of. Like we mentioned that if you have the 386 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: time and money, say yes, see what happens, and all 387 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: sorts of crazy stuff happened as a result. 388 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: That section was very I just fel like this whole 389 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 3: book made you feel like, Yeah, I can do more, 390 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: I have agency, I have ideas. It's like one of 391 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 3: those books you read it'd be wonderful to read, like 392 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 3: before you do your own kind of planning stuff, And 393 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: I think this was your goal. You will think bigger, 394 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 3: you will think about more, and you will not sell 395 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: yourself short the way I think some of us might 396 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: kind of automatically do, especially in certain phases of our lives. 397 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 3: Let's go a little counter to that typical planning advice, 398 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 3: since I love that so much. There is a chapter 399 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: about serendipity. Is serendipity overrated? I'm just kidding, talk about serendipity. 400 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: I think I have a sense like that in my book. 401 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: So we'll we'll have a nice serendipity debate. Yeah, well, no, 402 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: I mean serendipity is I mean inherent. 403 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: Its definition is a positive thing, right, It's wonderful things 404 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: not actively sought for. And I think all of us 405 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: would love to have wonderful things come into our lives. 406 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: And if you don't have to actively be seeking it out, 407 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 2: all the better. Right, what's coming to you without your 408 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: like making it happen forcing it to happen. Now, of 409 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: course you and I both know that we can help 410 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: serendipity along that serendipity is often a function of planning 411 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: our lives in ways that. 412 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: Allow us to be thought fully. 413 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: Accessible to new good things that might find us. 414 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: And so in this chapter I talk. 415 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: About how you can structure your schedule to be sort 416 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: of thoughtfully accessible. Yes, we need boundaries. There are a 417 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: lot of bad ideas in the world. There are a 418 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: lot of demanding and unpleasant people. This is why we 419 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: have boundaries. But with all that could a good idea 420 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: find you even if you were not actively seeking it out. 421 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: And so among the things we can do is to 422 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: have more open space in our calendars. I mean not 423 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: just for rest and relaxation often, as wonderful as that is, 424 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: it's just that when you feel swamped, you are not 425 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: going to take on something new, And not even are 426 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 2: you not going to take on something, You're not going 427 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: to put in the work that is necessary to follow 428 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: up on intriguing things. Somebody sends you an idea and 429 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: it sounds vaguely interesting to you, but you're gonna have 430 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: to set up a fifteen minute call to find out 431 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: a little bit more and they're like, Okay, I do 432 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: not have time for that. I can't do that. Well, 433 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: maybe it would have been nothing, but maybe that would 434 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: have been a project that would take you'd be doing 435 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: for years and enjoying. I mean, my Before Breakfast podcast 436 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: actually came out of a totally random email that someone 437 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 2: at my old publisher sent that actually the way it 438 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: was phrased was monetizing and elevating best of both worlds, 439 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: and I think she had just slipped and with it, 440 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: and she was like, oh podcast, Oh, she has a podcast, 441 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 2: I'll put that title in, but it was about starting 442 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: a new one with iHeartMedia. 443 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 3: That was like, totally clearly, you're not making any money 444 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 3: on that podcast, I will. 445 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: Tell you, although we are now, but at the time 446 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: we were not. But it was like just a random thing. 447 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 2: And if, like she even put in the email, it 448 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: might be a refresher on stuff you already know. What 449 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: was this, I don't even know, but I agreed to 450 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 2: have a call, and then one thing led to another 451 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: and put in some work to pitch a new show. 452 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 2: And Before Breakfast has now been around for seven years. 453 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: And these are the kinds of things that you may 454 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: want to. 455 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 4: Be at least slightly open too. 456 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: And so there's some practical ways you can structure your 457 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: life to have that happen. 458 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 3: And by the way, I love a serendipitous event, like 459 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 3: when it does happen. So I'm kind of not anti serendipity. 460 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 3: I just my only anti is to completely discount planning 461 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 3: as an idea that like you will therefore not have serendipity. 462 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 3: But I think we believe those two things can absolutely coexist. 463 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, like, yeah, they totally exist time 464 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: and I would say, Sarah that the reason you felt 465 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 2: you could take on your trip to Williams is that 466 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 2: your life is organized enough that you knew you were 467 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: getting other things done that you had to do. If 468 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: you had a deadline for something, you have this spot 469 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: carved out to make it happen, like you had structured 470 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 2: all this, so it worked for you to go Yeah, 471 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 2: And that's many people don't think they can take on 472 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: things because their life is chaotic and out of control 473 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 2: and they I have all this stuff I have to do, 474 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: I can't do anything else. Well, if you sort of 475 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: sort through all that stuff and figure out where it 476 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 2: can go, as Sarah does all the time through her 477 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 2: planning process, then you have the space for these wonderful 478 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: things to take place. 479 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 3: And you're right, they are wonderful and it's almost a 480 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 3: carot So this is one wonderful benefit of having your 481 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 3: stuff together. So yeah, yeah, Well we're going to take 482 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: a break and then we're going to play a fun game. 483 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: Are you ready? 484 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready. 485 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: Well, before we get to our game, I just want 486 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 3: to say that what we just discussed is like a 487 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 3: mere taste of the wonderful like story and ideas in 488 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: big time, so I highly suggest picking up a copy. Again, 489 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 3: I think it's the ideal read on a plane as 490 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: you're headed too a trip, or as you're getting ready 491 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 3: to do some planning. The summer's coming up, so it 492 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: might be perfect for now as you're thinking through the 493 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 3: summer and how to make that time feel a little 494 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: bit more abundant and expansive. So it's very inspiring. You 495 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: will feel good after reading it, and I highly recommend it. 496 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 3: You can get it anywhere, but if you get it today, 497 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: I think that gives Laura an extra boost, So I 498 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: think you should do that. Oh thank you, Sarah. So 499 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 3: now we're going to play a fun game and fun fact, 500 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 3: I got my assignment wrong, so Laura. We thought of 501 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 3: this idea for me to give Laura quotes from each 502 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: of her books and then she has to guess which 503 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: book they're all from. And at first I thought it 504 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 3: was all quotes from Big Time, because I guess that's 505 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: how much I like Big Time. But I now have 506 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 3: four books in the canon represented, not all of them, 507 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 3: and they are the mic drop moments that I personally circled, 508 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: but they're not too specific because I didn't want to 509 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 3: make them like really easy. They obviously related to some vignette, 510 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 3: then Laura might guess them right away. So I think 511 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 3: this will be very, very fun. 512 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: Oh now I'm nervous. I'm going to fail my own 513 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: book trivia. 514 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: All right, the first one might be the hardest because 515 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: it's kind of okay, okay, you ready. In particular, we 516 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 3: suffer when expectations exceed reality. I circled it, I liked it. 517 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 4: Is it off the Clock? 518 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: Yes? Oh my gosh, you got it. Wait, I have 519 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 3: the books here, so I'm going to read it for 520 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: context where that came from? Okay, all right, sound effects, 521 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: which we don't usually have on this podcast, but if 522 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: I have all of Laura's books on hard coffee, of course. 523 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 3: So all right, So Laura says, I'm trying to say, 524 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: like where to start from. Some suffering, the kind we 525 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: must learn to be good at, is inevitable, but others 526 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: suffering is self imposed. In particular, we suffer when expectations 527 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: exceed reality. This suffering is a major cause of wasted time. 528 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: Mental anguish and rumination eat up our, and they also 529 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 3: keep us from enjoying the time. We have page one 530 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy three of Off the clock boy. 531 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: I need to repeat that to myself a few times. 532 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of my suffering does extend 533 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: from expectations in reality not matching or even just like 534 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: my expectations are worried that something's going to go wrong, 535 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 2: and then. 536 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 4: Many times it does not. So hey, take my own 537 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 4: advice there. 538 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: It's a mic drop moment. Yeap? 539 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 4: All right? 540 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 3: Number two, I think we should all be time millionaires. 541 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: And this is a quote. 542 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 4: That is Tranquility by Tuesday. 543 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: Yes. And do you remember who you were quoting this? Mean? 544 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: Is it Rachel Rogers? 545 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 2: I believe her name was, Yes, because she wrote a 546 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: book called We Should All Be Millionaires, Yes and So, 547 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: which I heartily agree with. I mean, I think is 548 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 2: about wealth building for women. But I'm also a fan 549 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: of being a time millionaire, having that sense of time abundance. 550 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 4: So yes, Tranquility by Tuesday. 551 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 3: Yes, and Rachel Rogers I believe a guest on our 552 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 3: show as well. So it all comes full circle. All right. 553 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 3: Number three, This one's a little easy. Sorry, Okay, you 554 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: have more time than you think. 555 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: One hundred and sixty eight hours. Yes, that is, I 556 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: may have said it more than once. 557 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it might be on the cover. 558 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 3: Ald On, let me all the books fell when I 559 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 3: was doing this here we go, So it's on page 560 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: seventeen and the cover and also the cover. Okay, so 561 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 3: that wasn't I was not playing hardball with that one. 562 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: Well, if I was stumped on this podcast, it might 563 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: be slightly embarrassing there of it. 564 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: Well, it would have been, okay if you got three 565 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: out of four. Okay, so all right, you've read a 566 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: lot of books. There's ten books. I mean, I could 567 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 3: have been really mean and chosen something from I don't know, 568 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: the middle buried some random sentence from That's True Corner 569 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: Office or something. 570 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 2: Although it was something from the Courtland Boys, I'm sure 571 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: i'd pick up because that would be the one that 572 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: would be That would. 573 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: Have been fun. 574 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: Actually, but okay, I want to read this part. But 575 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 3: before you put it down to go check your email, 576 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 3: I want to make sure you take away two thoughts. 577 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: You can choose how to spend your one hundred and 578 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 3: sixty eight hours, and you have more time than you think. 579 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 3: Do not put this book down to check your email. 580 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 4: I love it. 581 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 3: I love it, all right. Our final quiz show is 582 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 3: everyone deserves to be interested in his or her own life. 583 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 3: Is that also tranquility bites? 584 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 4: No, that's big Time, that's big Time. 585 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 3: Yes, I not include a quote from Big Time. So 586 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 3: it's in the Golden Hours chapter of Big Times, and 587 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 3: you talk about how you can completely transform your golden 588 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: hours by taking one night a week for your passions. 589 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 3: And then you say everyone deserves to be interested in 590 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: his or her own life. And I'm like, ooh, that's 591 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: such a mic drop, because sadly that's that should be 592 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: obvious and yet it isn't. 593 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I agree, we should be interested in 594 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: our own lives. 595 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 4: So glad I wrote that. 596 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: Well, this was so fun. You should all email Laura 597 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 3: with a random quo. I'm just kidding. Laura can She's 598 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 3: very busy with interviews, but you can also email her 599 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 3: trivia from a random book and she'll write you back 600 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: with which book it's from. But seriously, this is so 601 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: fun and it's so fun to celebrate number ten. I mean, 602 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: how amazing is that? What an achievement. I think I've 603 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: read all of them. Well, I might not have read 604 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: Corner Office. I'll have to go back and read that, okay, 605 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 3: but I have read I think all of the other books, 606 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: including Courtland Boys, and I always enjoy reading your books, 607 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 3: So I mean, truly, this is very exciting and I'm 608 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 3: already excited for the next one, truly, but you should 609 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: read this one first. Well, thank you, Sarah. 610 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for everyone who's willing to listen to this 611 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: and indulge me in this. But yeah, you had so 612 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: much fun writing big time, and a few little easter 613 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: egg moments in there that Sarah was appreciating. 614 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: There may be the in Permian extinction may get mentioned once, Yes, well, 615 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: I mean I think you were determined to make sure 616 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: that got in there. Somehow. 617 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 4: It was determined to make sure that. 618 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: I've been obsessed about it for the past two years, 619 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: so like, how could I Listeners of this podcast are 620 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 3: going to huckle at various points because you'd be like, oh, Laura, 621 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: I had to put that in there. I mean I 622 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: texted her like multiple times as I was reading. 623 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 4: It's fun exactly exactly all right. 624 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: So we have a question which I want to direct 625 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: this one at Sarah because what both of us do 626 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: for a living is content creation. And I know some 627 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: people have asked Sarah about advice for an aspiring course 628 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: creator so many times when people decide to launch a 629 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: business that is based on their expertise, Among the things 630 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: they do is to create. 631 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 4: And market courses. 632 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: And Sarah just revamped Best Laid Plans Academy two point zero. 633 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: So obviously you've been thinking about how to do this 634 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: and how to change a course to make it more 635 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 2: appealing and more useful for people. So what is your 636 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: advice for somebody who is thinking of launching a course? 637 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 4: What should they do? 638 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you should really put yourself in the 639 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 3: position of your learners and think what do they need, 640 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 3: what do they want, what do they want to hear, 641 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: and what do they want to hear specifically from you? 642 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 3: What expertise do you have? But really it's more about 643 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: them than it is about you, and that's kind of 644 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 3: how the initial Best lay of Lands Academy was born. 645 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: I had very little confidence when I went to do this. 646 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't really know how to do this, 647 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 3: but I talked to I think it was Kelly Nolan 648 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 3: actually who gave me one of the bigger pushes to 649 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 3: get started. And she's a very well known in certain 650 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 3: sectors course creator. She does a whole course on digital 651 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 3: time management called the Bright Method. And Kelly's honestly like, 652 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 3: just do it, just try it. You can tell people 653 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 3: this is your first time, and you get to decide 654 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: how you do it. And there's not really a wrong answer, 655 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: which is very odd from someone coming from like a 656 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 3: more structured career path, but I took her advice and 657 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 3: she was right. But then comes to the part where 658 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 3: you iterate, so you see how it worked, and you 659 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: ask people and what worked and what didn't work, and 660 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 3: then you hope that every round is going to be 661 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 3: better than the next, and then probably going to become 662 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 3: a time and you're like, I actually need to like 663 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 3: start from scratch and make this all pretty and make 664 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 3: it even better. And you get to do that, and 665 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: I feel like we've done that with Best Laid Plans 666 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 3: Live Too, that really has evolved in such a fun way, 667 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 3: And even though the first one was amazing, I feel 668 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: like it's only gotten better. So yeah, I say, just 669 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 3: go for it. If you're listening to this and you're like, 670 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: I want to be in that one is full right now. 671 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 3: I like to keep my course size as manageable so 672 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 3: that there is some like real personal aspects of it, 673 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 3: but I'm sure I will be doing more later this year, 674 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 3: and then of course I all have our virtual planning 675 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 3: the year course and planning by season, and you can 676 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 3: always find that stuff on my website. 677 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 678 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so very lean startup, try out an idea, iterate, 679 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: see what users are looking for, and talk with them 680 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: and then keep iterating from there. All right, Sarah Love 681 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: of the Week. I was going to say writing books, 682 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: but I've decided to change that because I have discovered 683 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: this tea. 684 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 4: I'm not a big tea drinker, but it's called throat coat, 685 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 4: and I do the echinia. However you say that nation lemon. 686 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 3: What is it? I think it's echinaesia echinaesia lemon okay flavor. 687 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 2: And it truly does make your voice less gravelly. And 688 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: so I was like drinking it while recording the audiobook 689 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: for Big Time. I have now started doing it before 690 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: like and enduring podcast recording days. 691 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it really does help. So it's called throat coat. 692 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 4: So check that out. 693 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 3: And if you're like Laura, sounded really good today, that's why. 694 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 2: Well, okay, if you think I don't like, I mean, 695 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: I'm better than it would be. 696 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 4: Let's just put it that way. 697 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: I just sang like in a concert yesterday and had 698 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: a dress rehearsal the day before. 699 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 3: And yeah, so there's been a lot of vocal use 700 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 3: going on. Well same I could have. I mean I 701 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 3: was scream singing like thirty six hours ago or something. 702 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 703 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, and my loves of the weeks are reconnecting 704 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 3: with old friends obviously, but also I just have to 705 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 3: say Williamstown itself, it is just it's ridiculous. It's like 706 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 3: the ideal at college Town. I'm sure there's an emotional 707 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: piece of that, but objectively it's actually just awesome. So yeah, Williamstown. 708 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: And it's probably prettier now than like it would have 709 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: been two months ago or something. 710 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I purposely did not. They don't hold 711 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 3: these things in February. 712 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 2: Late April is the time to go, is when she went. Well, 713 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: this has been best of both worlds. We've been doing 714 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 2: some life updates on recent travels. We've been talking big 715 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 2: time as well. We will be back next. 716 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 4: Week with more on making work and life fit together. 717 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 718 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 719 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 3: and you. 720 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 721 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 2: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 722 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 2: us next time for more on making work and life 723 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 2: work together.