WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 7 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.680 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:06.359 you know this is a compiletion episode. So every episode 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.600 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.440 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.960 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:17.919 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.119 there's gonna be nothing new here for you, but you 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:32.360 can make your own decisions. Well, come to spookke you Week, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:37.040 a week where we are not really any spooky or 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.040 honestly than the average things happening, because everything happening is 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.600 is terrifying and like ghosts and Google's are are a 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:49.400 lot more fun. Anyway, hang up in this podcast, don't listen, 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.920 Go watch Herbert West reanimat or have some fun um. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.680 But if you decide to keep listening to podcasts for 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.320 some reason, we have a bunch of spooky content for 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.240 you this week. How was that? How was that? Injured? Action? 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:11.199 Sop o bad? Yeah? Get going do your think? Yeah? 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.959 My my thing? So yeah, we're doing We're doing spooky 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.360 Spooky Week, which is very excited about. But yeah, every 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.600 everyone I've told about Spooky Week, they're like Oh so 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:22.039 it's just a regular week for for the show, Like, yeah, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.360 pretty much, it's more fun, but it is in a 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.440 few ways. It is actually gonna be more fun because 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:38.360 the spooky spooky mind goddamn yeah, spookoky mind bedding kails 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.280 actually do have do have some more fun than just 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.320 the solely depressing ones. I mean, this was this was 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.560 the first theme week that we all agreed upon. This 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.000 was the first things like can we do something around 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:56.560 spooky nous near Halloween? And everybody younestly said yes, yes, yes, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.559 this is the first theme week. Um, we have we 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.120 we have. We have been promising Nut Week coming up. 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.640 Eventually we're going to tease about things that made us 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:12.720 nut or where we talk about the legumes mostly legumes. Okay, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.040 that's fair, Um, but anyway, we should we should have 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.080 start off our first, our first spooky tale. Um, so 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.120 I'm going I'm going to tell a very very spooky 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.680 tale of a of an entire French town going going 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:30.040 mad over the course of a single week. Yeah. Probably 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.480 probably with the help of psychoactive drugs and a certain 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.880 three letter agency. You know what I think we're going 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:44.560 to get to do. Garrison Accent did somebody messages that 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.760 you can't be racist against the French. They're like the 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.440 British or Americans. I didn't get a new messages saying 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.519 that your French accent was very racist to the French. 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.519 There is a certain number. It's like the Germans. There's 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.399 a certain number of genocide. It's after which people get 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.919 to make fun of your country and it's not racist. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:09.400 And that number is let's say three. Honestly, the worst 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.320 part of this story is that we're probably doing critical 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:18.880 support for France. I mean in all honestly, I'm gonna 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:20.960 be a kind of more critical support to the CIA 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:26.560 by the end of this one. Um yeah, that's that 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:32.560 is the most critical support can be. So anyway, our 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.400 very spooky tail begins in ninety one in a small, 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.960 charming French village called Pont Saint a Spray, which is 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.960 how I'm gonna say that. Yeah, there you go. Um, so, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.400 not much happened in this little, picturesque, little little town 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.680 on the south side of France. You know, on the 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.920 day we start, it's just like a regular summer day. 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.400 People are going about their routine, going to their jobs. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.200 Kids are playing in the street, enjoying some delicious freshly 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:04.760 baked bread. Um. But suddenly strange things began happening. Um. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.120 And I'm going to start off with some of the 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:10.280 more mild, mild mild effects here. So on in August, 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:15.800 first dozens, then hundreds of people began first just complaining 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.279 of nausea, you know, and some people with some like 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:25.839 stomach and abdominable pain. They're coming up less often, less often, noted, 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.200 there was a few instances like vomiting and diarrhea. Um. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.320 Only about percent of people had diarrhea. That is that 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:36.960 is a weirder, weirder thing. Yeah, that is on like 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:41.880 a town wide basis three significant thirty Sorry, yeah, that's 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:46.040 a significant strain on the sewage of the people affected. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.359 It's just gonna be like a few hundred versus I 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.159 was taking drugs with a group of friends. Third of 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.520 them had diarrhea. I would say, we might need to 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.480 go to a hospital this that we have taken someone 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.599 that perhaps what we got was tainted. There is there 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.839 is Yeah, well we'll be talking about what actually what 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.240 the actual drugs being used here are going to be. 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:09.840 But that's something where that's not an uncommon side effect. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.839 But yeah, yeah, First, first nausea, a little a little 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.440 bit of vomiting, stomach pains, cramping. Um. Hospitals began reporting 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:23.400 people experiencing alternating warm and cold waves over their body. Uh. 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.920 The British Medical Journal recalls abundant sweating and a disagreeable odor, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.160 which I'm guessing the odor is just because there's all 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.480 those sweating people in the same cramped hospital room in 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:37.719 the summer. In the summer heats. Yeah, so anyway in 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:43.920 their French so a lot of scargo sweats. I don't 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.560 want to get more messages like that. I have to stop. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.040 He's going to do it more. By the way, do 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.400 we know that the diarrhea was the result of whatever 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.359 substance or maybe it's just the wine ships again, we 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.560 don't we there's no way to tell. So out uh, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.720 patients began complaining about weird pains and pressure around their neck, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.560 which yeah, um. And one of the one of the 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.159 most reported symptoms was in insomnia, in some cases lasting 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.640 several days. Uh. Quoting the British Medical Journal, h the 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.680 first symptoms appeared after a latent period of six to 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.760 forty eight hours. The digestive disorders quickly became worse, with 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.400 burning sensations through the entire digestive tract. Some experienced sensations 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:32.000 of burning at the anus. A state of giddiness persisted. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.080 I mean, who's not giddy when your anus is burning? 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:37.960 Am I? Right? I fear like like this is like 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:39.760 this is like the like the clear side that there's 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.280 like some some psychoactive job going on, because like your 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:49.880 anus is burning and yet your very born. Yeah, it's 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:51.880 like that sign from that what is that from a 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.479 rejected by what? What? What's the cartoonists? Like my anus 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.120 is bleeding, but like you're down, you know, you're down 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:04.240 for it. Yeah, yeah, you're you're John Millenny impression. No no, no, 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:10.760 it wasn't a John Linney impression. So that's just your 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:17.920 poisoned millennial brain. Don Hertzfeld. Yeah great artist, Yeah, great artist. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.880 Uh So these pale and limp patients, Still quoting the 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.560 British Medical Journal, these pale and limp patients showed inconspicuous 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.040 trembling of the extremities, and they complained of disorders of 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:34.160 the visual accommodation and especially being unable to read. So 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:42.040 this this is this is the more mild. This could 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:48.160 be a long one year. So this is for many 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.240 people affected. This is where the symptoms stopped. After suffering 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.360 for insomnia for a while, with you know, mild disorders 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.680 of the visual accommodation um and you know, and stomach 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.920 pains and like weird like neckings. After they were able 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.080 to sleep, that was the sign of their recovery. Is 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.800 like the ability to sleep again. African insomnia war off. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.760 But in a in around fifty of the cases reported, 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.520 the effects were much more intense. Um, I'm going to 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.040 continue from the from the medical journal first and then 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.600 get into some of the more colorful reporting around the incident. Uh. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.880 Quoting the Medical journal again, Vivid visual hallucinations appeared, in 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:28.120 particular themes of visions of animals and of flames. All 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.080 of these visions were fleeting invariable in many of the patients. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:35.200 They were followed by dreamy delirium. Yeah, that's that's about right. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.840 That's actually pretty good description of like l s A LSD. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.320 Those kind of like the movies always get it wrong 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.280 because you're not usually not like you're not seeing some 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.199 sort of like visual like cartoon world. It's it's these 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.880 kind of like fleeting impressions of visions and things in 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:50.559 the corner of your eyes. Yeah, it's a pretty good 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.480 especially on lower like it is unclear what exactly they 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.360 were on because then they definitely can be the more 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.720 cartoon lags. I mean, you can get full open eyed hallucination, 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.000 like especially the shogun emicles will do that that I 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:05.240 don't get it so much with like LSD L s A, say, 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.480 if you want to shoot yourself that is to write 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.240 some Hawaiian baby wood rows seats yea from home depot 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:18.920 and have yourself a horrible right. So the delirium seemed 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:23.800 to be systematized with animal hallucinations and self accusation. It's weird, 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:28.760 weird terms from them from self accusations. Yeah, it's I 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.959 think I think they're trying to get at ego death, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.960 but they don't have terms for it yet either that 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.520 or that. Like sometimes you're hallucinating it like overcoming like 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.280 guilt like oh I did this terrible thing or yeah, yeah, 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.640 everybody's angry at me or whatever, like continuing from the 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.960 Medical journal, self accusation and and it was sometimes mystical 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:52.559 or macabre in some cases, terrifying visions were followed by fugus, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:57.560 which is an old um for like fugues, says fugues. Yeah, 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.160 it's pronounced fugue. It's like it's like it's like extreme, 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:05.760 it's extreme disassociation. Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, and 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.839 two and two patients threw themselves out the window. Um. Yeah. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.640 The delirium was of a confusal kind, which could be 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.560 interpreted for some moments by a strong stimulation. Every attempt 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:22.800 at restraint increased the agitation. Well, yeah, that's it restraining. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.160 I've had to restrain a number of people and it 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:30.640 does not calm anyone down, especially especially when you're tripping hard. Yeah. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.720 This sounds like a real, real bad time. Not the 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:38.120 thing to do. In severe cases, muscular spasms appeared. The 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.040 duration of these periods of delirium was varied. They lasted 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.960 several hours, several hours and some patients and in others 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:49.360 they persisted overnight. So that and then here it's it's 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:50.840 we're gonna get a little bit darker and then we're 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.120 gonna have more fun. Um. We observed four fatal cases, 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.720 three men and one woman. Three of these people were 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.920 old and in bad health. One of the men was 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.040 only twenty five years old that had been in good 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.120 health previously. They died in a muscular spasm in a 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.720 state of cardiovascular collapse. I think this is probably mostly 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.280 due to how the doctors were handling these patients, right, 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.280 I mean obviously your your blood pressure want to can 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.240 elevate when you're hallucinating, But yeah, I think it also 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.120 has a lot to do with the way they were 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.240 being handled. Yeah, you're right. Um, the disorder has developed 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.520 more quickly in children, but also left them more quickly. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:25.760 An interesting feature some of the cases was that the 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.559 delirium it was the first sign to be noted. So 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.480 it depends people come up, came up on different ways 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.480 or some some of them first had a weird body feelings, 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.640 some of them first started just seeing stuff. Um. One 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.559 other interesting tidbit that we're not going to spend much 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.640 time talking about, but like around two weeks after this 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.600 initial incident, some symptoms started to reappear, either through like 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.880 a secondary poison egg or it was like some kind 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:53.079 of like acid flashback. Yeah it must because I've done it, 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.520 fuckload of ascid. I've never had a flashback. Um, I 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.720 did at one point. I mean I have like done 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.679 some damage and so have permanent tracers. But it's not 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.560 like my guess is they got I think the idea 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.720 that there are like acid flashbacks that are vivid hallucinations 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.600 has been pretty heavily debunked. My guesses they got redosed. Yeah, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.920 I don't know. I might fight you goods like it 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.000 could be that it was traumatic enough that like they're 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.240 having they're dealing with PTSD and kind of that that's 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.439 what's happening. But I don't know, And I think I 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.920 definitely have seen enough reports that would see acid flashbacks 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.360 definitely actually being a thing in some cases, especially in 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.000 the early days of studying these types of drugs and 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.640 like the sixties, like the CIA reported a lot of 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.319 stuff around acid flashbacks around the people that they tortured. 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.200 But I guess it's it's tide to torture. That could 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.840 just be PTSD. Stuff could be PTSD. It's also, I mean, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:42.920 one thing you have to know, and I don't know 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:44.640 what kind of dose these people were getting. With the CIA, 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.600 with dosed people, they were sometimes giving people doses people 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.880 do not take, like you do not take that much, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:57.679 like hundreds or thousands or millions of yeah, ridiculous irresponsible doses. Yeah. 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.400 So now now we're going to get to some of 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.520 the some of the more fun descriptions here which we 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.920 can actually kind of like, based on our experiences, can 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.720 actually kind of see like what was actually going on 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.840 in these people's heads. Um, So basically we had at 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:14.760 least dozens and dozens of people tripping very very hard. Um. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.319 The local postman was doing his rounds on his bicycle 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.599 when he was suddenly overwhelmed by nausea and wild hallucinations. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.520 Quoting him, it was terrible. I had the sense, I 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.240 had the sensation of shrinking and shrinking, and the fire 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.360 and the serpents coiling around by arms. Yeah, that guy 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:33.840 had some other stuff going on. Yeah, because the very 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.640 first acid trip was on a bicycle when Heinrich Kaufman 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.079 like made it, nosed himself. He started coming up I 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.280 believe it was in Amsterdam, like riding his bicycle, which 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.319 is like, well, this is lovely. Yeah, I've made something cool. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:57.400 Why was the postman riding a bicycle to deliver packages? 0:13:51.200 --> 0:14:05.080 And it's not to I mean that, I'm sorry. So yeah, 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:06.960 the maleman fell off his bike and was taken to 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.480 the taking into a hospital in a nearby town. He 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.480 was putting a straight jacket and he shared a room 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.719 with three teenagers who were also tripping, and the teenagers 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.079 were changed to their beds to keep them under control. Yeah, 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:22.960 that's that's how it sounds horrible. Flashbacks to this, to 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:28.960 being chained to a bed tripping. Yeah, some of my 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.320 friends trying to get out the window. They were thrashing wildly, screaming, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.000 and the sound of the metal beds and jumping up 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.760 and down. The noise was terrible. I would prefer I 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.640 would prefer to die then go through that again, which terrible. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.440 This sounds like like the worst acid trip you could 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.400 go off. That sounds like about the worst way you 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.920 could have a trip go It sounds awful. So back 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.280 in the French town, a little girl screamed as she 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:58.280 was being chased by man eating tigers. A woman sobbed 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.000 about how her children had been ground did too, sausages? 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:11.480 Oh great? And specific a large bed founded off terrific 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.320 beasts by smashing this furniture and using the wood as weapons. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.440 Good for you, buddy, Good for you. Husband and wife 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:24.320 right around chasing each other with knives. Again, probably something 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.480 else going on there. My guesses we're not just talking 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.560 the acid and that because I have again been on 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.160 acid a lot around knives and other weapons. I have 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.200 never chased someone. I've never chased someone around with knives 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.280 like a couple who was on the verge of a 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.440 knife chick. I think I think the important part here 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.160 is that like in this French town, like acid wasn't 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.800 a thing yet, Like like like lucinogenic drugs weren't a 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.640 thing right even like even like mushrooms weren't popular around 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.600 this time, no one knew what what the hell was 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.760 going on. Like they just think that they're just basically 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.720 losing their minds, like they're like there's there's no other 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.880 ex nation for what's happening to them. And let's just 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.960 say that the most shocking thing that has come out 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.040 so far as that when Robert was on acid, he 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.360 wasn't chasing people with knives. It's honest, Like, depending on 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.640 your acid trip, you wouldn't want to chase someone with 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.440 a knife. Like it's not it's not the kind of 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.320 we would we would like during this we would we 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.120 would take a bunch of drugs and grab my a 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.120 K forty seven and hike out into the woods and 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:26.800 we would shoot down a fir tree and we would 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.840 drag it back to a clearing and we would bury 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.440 it standing up, and we would drape it in pig 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.320 intestines and put a pig's heart on it, and when 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.920 we cover it in gasoline and light it with firecrackers 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.120 and dance around it like the pagans of old. But 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.440 there was nothing aggressive about no. You. You you very 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.240 rarely would want to hurt somebody on acid. And my 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.120 experience like you generally generally are at least like way 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.480 more compassionate in a lot of ways. Um. But if 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.080 you have no idea what acid is and you're just 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.360 you're in the nineteen fifties and you're losing your mind 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.920 and you're seeing weird things that I can see how 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.200 this would maybe cause some other types of behavior. Just 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.920 think that, like, because that is angry at you, Like 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.480 it's like they're not they're not dosing themselves either, like 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.879 they're being dosed rights like they don't. It's very different 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.119 where like you're deciding to go with a trip versus 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.480 this is happening to you when you have no decision. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.119 I think for basically anyone in this position, the logical 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.880 assumption would be, oh, the devil has taken over our 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.120 town and our minds have we have been infested with demons? 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.439 Like that's what else are you going to assume? You're 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.800 not going to be like, oh, this drug that's just 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.320 barely been invented and that nobody really knows about yet 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.000 except for weird nerds. It must be some version of 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.040 that that I've taken accidentally. No, you're going to do 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.480 in your blood. So one interesting tid. But before we 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.359 before we go and break um, even some of the 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.680 local animals had been affected by whatever poisoned the town. Um. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.760 There there was there was one dog in particular that 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.879 kept chewing on rocks until its teeth chipped away. I 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:56.720 don't like this. And and ducks were behaving very odd. Um. 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.400 It's described that they were. They were walking around erect 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.040 and upright, like penguins in a line, and they're just 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:07.080 like weird, weird behavior from ducks. Scariest thing I've heard 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.240 so far. That kind of makes me want a dose 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.800 our ducks scares. We are not We're not wasting acid 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.520 on the ducks the lot. I mean, there's a lot 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.320 of things you could give ducks. We're not. We're not 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.719 giving ducks assets. That's not a thing about giving ducks drugs. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.560 Is they're all monsters. That is true. They are monsters 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.440 and rapists, every one of them. Yeah, all the mail ducks. 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.280 So anyway, a reoccurring theme was that people were running 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.680 around wildly and being very fearful of like monstery animals 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.520 and encroaching flames. Um, it sounds like the ducks were 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:43.120 having a good time doing their ministry of silly walk shit. Like, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.280 I don't know what all these people are bummed about. 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.760 This is rad okay. So when when you first said that, 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.520 I heard dogs and I was like, that is the 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:54.640 most terrible ducks. It's like duck steady, like very upright, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.639 like penguins walking around in the line. I think ducks 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.000 might enjoy it. I think dogs are a little too 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.880 aware of what's going on. Grison dog. The stone thing 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:08.240 was about the dog, Yeah, with the dog scary. Yeah, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.280 I just don't know that the dogs enjoy because, like 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.280 I've seen dogs accidentally eat large amounts of pot and 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.480 whatnot and they get weird. They're they're they're pretty scared. 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.280 They're they're pretty're pretty scared. Yeah. Yeah, do you know 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:28.600 what is also very spooky? Yeah, capitalism and all of 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:33.840 these spooky advertisements to sell things. Advertisements are also a 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:35.679 form of mind control. Speaking of the CIA in the 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:44.480 fifties anyway, profoundly damaging. We are back from the spooky 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:51.760 advertised Yeah. Anyway, So I think another another reoccurring factor 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:53.480 for why a lot of these people have very similar 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.480 types of experiences around like snakes, um, which we're talking 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.840 about later, and like flames is like with this many 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:00.399 people trapping and no one knows what being is. I 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.639 think it's really easy for an idea or a fear 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.719 to spread from one person to another while they're tripping. Um. 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.040 With like this many people, i think if someone says something, 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.080 it's gonna start happening to someone else, and it's kind 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.720 of kind of this like cascading effect where they're all 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.560 developed these very similar fear is because it's almost like 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:22.320 being spread like an infection. Um. So there was there 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.400 was a one man convinced that red snakes were devouring 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:29.159 his brain and he jumped out a window. Oh did 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.920 he live this? He did live? Um. I'm not guessing 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.320 a lot of these It's it's like France and the fifties, 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.359 So I'm guessing most of these buildings are not super 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.200 they're not. They're not super high up now. No, they're 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.679 like fall en a foot or two. Although here we 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:44.800 have another one. Another mad reportedly left for a window, yelling, 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:49.000 look everyone, I'm a dragonfly, and then the men broke. 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:54.560 The men broke both legs, but he stood up and 0:20:54.680 --> 0:21:06.080 continued running, looking rad king, sigma sigma behavior absolute. This 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:11.719 is a new kind of man. Just drapped. Look everyone, 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:17.120 have a dragonfly breaks both legs, he keeps running. Basically 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.720 the information you've provided us, I can't say he's not 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:24.600 a dragon. No, he is an absolute, absolute king. Good 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:31.520 for I hope he had a great life. Yeah. Another 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.440 one saw his heart escape through his feet and beseeched 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:36.720 the doctor to try to put it back into place. 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.560 You don't want to have that happen. That doesn't sound fun. 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.359 You want to keep that somewhere around the middle of 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.159 your body. Someone sprinted down the lane, claiming that he 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:50.800 was being chased by bandits with donkey ears. A nearby river, 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:52.600 a man was convinced that he was a circus tight 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.040 rope walker and attempted to balance his way across the 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.119 cables of a suspension bridge. How do you know it 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:04.399 doesn't say? The reportant to not tell you he's not 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:09.879 in the death report. Yeah he's. And therefore another another 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.160 person did try to die in the river. He tried 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:14.119 to jump into the river, only to be saved by 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.760 his friends, and he was screaming, I am dead, I 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.080 am dead, and my head is made of copper, and 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.280 I have snakes in my stomach and they are burning me. 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.160 It's such a weird description of like tripping and saying 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.359 like my head is made of copper. I'm trying to 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.920 think of like what was going on, what, like what 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.280 what series of events did did he spiral down in 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.000 his brain to have that sentence I did? I'm not 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:42.920 quite sure. It's it's it's definitely. I can definitely see 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:44.680 it happening. I just I just can. I'm trying to think, 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.080 like we're exactly what would happen to get to that point. 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.480 It's really really interesting. I think some of these are 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:54.040 hard because again it's like these people just think literally 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:56.600 think they're going insane or that like this stuff is 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.760 just actually happening to them, like you were like when 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:00.560 when you're tripping on acid, you are already kind of 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.200 have the feeling that there is moments where you feel 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:04.720 like this is like this is like never gonna end, 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.080 even though even though you know, you know you're on acid, 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:09.920 these people don't know that, right, Like these people don't 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:12.159 have the reascernce like no, I took acid, I'm on 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.000 a drug. This is gonna be over eight hours. They 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.400 think this is gonna last forever, right like they think 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:19.280 this this is just the world now, like this is 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:21.800 just one of those Rubert Anton Wilson, who is a 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.560 thinker I enjoy a lot, writes a lot about how 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:25.800 to calm people down when they've taken too much, and 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.320 most of his advices around talking about like, okay, well, 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.000 how long ago did you take it? Hey, well that 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.000 the good news is that this is going to end here. 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:33.800 You know, it's only gonna last this long, like you're 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:35.919 you're through this point. Oh, this is the this is 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.880 the second hour, freakies, and by the third hour you'll 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.320 be fine again and enjoying it Like it's all about 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.760 making keeping in people's minds like this is going to pass. 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.760 So yeah, you're right, like this is the fucking worst 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:51.919 way to take drugs, alright. So local newspapers, uh and 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:56.000 also like in national newspapers described described this as a 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:59.920 among the stricken, delirium rose patients thrash wildly on their beds, 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:03.600 screaming that red flowers were blossoming from their bodies, people 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.440 throwing themselves from rooftops, men and women throwing their clothes 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.120 off and running in the streets naked, and children complaining 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:13.560 their stomachs were infested with coils and snakes, Which I 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:15.119 mean half of that sounds like, yeah, that's like a 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.800 normal good time just running around the streets naked on acid. 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:19.440 Other and I was like, yeah, that that doesn't seem 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:21.480 pleasant with coils and snakes in your stomach, but also 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.359 like flowers blossoming fund your body. I can, I can, 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:26.919 I can understand that kind of sensation. Um. But like 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.880 it definitely, it definitely wasn't all horrible and the night 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.959 like nightmares we we were. We already mentioned the giddy 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.800 people with burning anuses, um, but for like the full 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:38.639 on tripping folks. According to the New York Times, there's 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:41.679 reports of people like hearing heavenly choruses and seeing you know, 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:44.600 bright colors. The world look beautiful to them. Um. Apparently, 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.480 the head of the farming co op wrote hundreds of 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:55.200 pages of like enlightened tripping poetry. That that guy must 0:24:55.240 --> 0:25:00.000 be because knowing nothing, he starts tripping, not knowing he's tripped. 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:03.560 It's just like time to make some fucking art. You 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:07.120 know what. This head state is good for writing some ship. 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:12.240 He just went to his cabinets wrote poetry. That's fucking awesome. 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:16.040 That's a guy. I'll bet he handled just everything that 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:20.280 life through it. Well, like that says a lot about 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:23.119 you when you're like, oh, demons have infiltrated my brain. 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.280 I guess I'm gonna hang out in my cabin and 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:33.000 write some poems hundreds of pages. Wow, like I could. 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:36.400 I could hardly write ship on acid. I cannot imagine 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:41.280 trying to write poetry. I've done a lot of creative 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:43.840 stuff on acid. Creative stuff. Yeah, I just feel like specifically, 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.800 like weeding and typing can can be hard at certain points. 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:48.440 You know, if if you're like coming down that it 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:52.000 can be easier, but really good for like writing. It's 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:55.639 good for ideas that you later can flesh out into writing. 0:25:55.680 --> 0:26:00.439 But yeah, so unfortunately, you know, because this was you know, 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:02.440 no one who was going on. Many people were taken 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.480 to local asylums in straight jackets and tied onto beds, 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:09.480 making things undoubtedly worse for people tripping. It's one of 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:11.360 those things I can't even be angry at them because 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:12.760 like they don't know what's going you know, like you 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:16.840 have no idea what's going on the whole. Like every 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:20.080 attemptant restraint increased the agitation line. It's like horrifying from 0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.240 the concept of like you're tripping, you you you do, 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.160 you don't know what's going on, and people are tying 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:25.960 you down to beds, making you feel like you're even 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.600 more stuck in this permanent seat of delirium. It's just 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.680 it just it is the worst nightmare. Yeah, all of 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:34.320 this is horrible. Yeah, the mayor of the town said, 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.360 like I've seen healthy men and women suddenly become terrorized, 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.840 ripping in their bed sheets, hiding themselves beneath their blankets 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:43.679 to escape their hallucinations. So yeah, it's it's if you, 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:45.719 if you, if you don't know what's going on, pretty 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.960 pretty pretty scary, except for the poetry guy. Good for him, Yeah, 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.720 good for him. Um. Yeah. So by by the time 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.880 the effects had subsided for everyone affected, which is around 0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:00.000 like a few days after the initial reported like nausea, 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.399 like you know not it didn't affect everyone at the 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:05.080 same time. You know, some people got dosed later on. 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.440 It's it's it's unclear what what exactly because it's of 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.159 the fifties, we didn't have a great idea of the 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.000 exact timeline of events of like when the first effects 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:16.320 were felt, and like how all the spaced out. But 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:19.000 this whole instant arrassed lasted around like a few days 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.960 for like everyone, everyone totaled. UM. It was supported that 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.360 anywhere between like three hundred and five hundred people had 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.160 felt the effects UM, you know, around fifty feeling very 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.280 very extreme like open eye like hallucinations of objects that 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:35.840 aren't even there, like like very extreme hallucinations. UM. And 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.000 and four people did die in connection to the poisoning 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.959 UM at least where people died. It's again it's unclear 0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.920 for exact numbers for a lot of this stuff. UM. 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.760 An investigation into the sudden outbreak of the madness was 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.680 probably underway. Town officials wanted to get to the bottom 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:53.600 of this as quickly as possible. Do you want to 0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:59.439 figure out what was happening? Yea, UM, and the blame 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:05.080 fell onto a single batch of bread what so among 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.280 the common denominator among those affected that they all allegedly 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:14.879 consumed bread from one specific baker he was accused of 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.520 using er got contaminated rye flower, and he was arrested 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:22.160 and a temporarily imprisoned. Um. Also, a nearby miller that 0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:25.200 he got the flower from was also arrested and given 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:29.119 some of the blame Um. The funny part is that 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.240 around this time, the French government had a very top 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:36.240 down grain distribution system that originally controlled everything about where 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.480 the grains were milled, where they were sent, and what 0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:41.160 bakers could use which flower, so bakers had no choice 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:43.200 and what type of flower to use or what kind 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:44.880 of a grain they could use in baking. It was 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:50.320 all decided by other people. Is like real big deal 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.719 and pretty pretty pretty important. Yeah, for the record, just 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.360 like air got poisoning. There are a lot of cases 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.600 of like different like dancing manias and whatnot in like 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.240 the mid Evil in medieval Europe, or like whole towns 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.560 will be well, everyone will start like dancing or like hallucinating, 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.480 and you know they always came down as like these 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:11.720 people assumed apocryphal of stories about like demon possessions or whatnot. 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.040 And now a lot of the suspicions like oh yeah 0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.080 some arra had gotten Yeah it was it was just 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:18.400 kind of tripping about poisoning. It seems like one of 0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:21.240 the rougher trips to go on. It's not super clean, 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.440 it's no. I mean I've done L s A, which 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.480 I think is similar similar to Yeah, they're tripp to 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:32.240 means that are like really rough and it's I would 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:37.320 not don't don't do L s A. No Hawaiian baby 0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.000 wood roase seeds. For if you're going to take L 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:47.680 s A, than actually like synthesizing, which is a felonate um. 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.600 But you can just buy Hawaiian baby wood roase seeds 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:52.880 and eat them and you will have maybe the worst 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.760 trip of your life. Great advice from the from the 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.680 pod um. So yeah, on on on on the on 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:02.680 the On the raw and ergot topic, the past growing 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.200 season was especially wet and ergot fun guy did grow 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.520 across the country's rye fields. UM, but the amount of 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:11.480 ergot on the rye and the amount of rye used 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:13.640 in baking was thought to not be enough to induce 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:15.800 any any type of poisoning. UM. In fact that the 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.560 last time or like orgot poisoning had struck France was 0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.240 back in was back in eighteen sixteen, so almost like 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.560 a century and a half before this incident. And that 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.720 was a century if it's the fifties right, little less 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.680 than a century. No, so the last instant was eighteen sixteen. 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:37.760 This was nine no, no as a century and a 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.480 half ago. Um. And no other towns anything, and no 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:44.680 other part of France was affected by anything similar to this. Um. 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.200 So the Ergot thing is kind of iffy um it. 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.040 But the Ergot explanation was the only thing that doctors 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.520 investigators could come to would do, like you know, the 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:58.040 their their limited knowledge around brain altering substances and just 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.040 pressure from town officials to get to the bottom of 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.120 this so that they had something to blame and people 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:05.000 could move on. Um. But you know, as a result, 0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:08.080 not much evidence really backs up there backs up there 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.440 got claim and a lot of experts today kind of 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:14.600 deem it bunk um it doesn't There's and and there's 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.080 a bunch of like, um, there's this thing hike key 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.000 on that the Greeks would take that was like this 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.360 re collucinatory thing that they think it was because they 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.160 were putting grain and wine and it might have been 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:26.479 air got poisoned, but also like people enjoyed it, and 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.560 so there's a lot of debate over whether or not 0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.040 it could have been argot But I don't know, Um, 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.280 I don't know what else is There are other other 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.600 theories about what it might Boy is it the c 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:42.840 I A A where can they get to it? So, yeah, 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.240 it doesn't really make much sense that the high amounts 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:46.880 of ergot rye would only be in one batch of 0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:48.440 grain used in a single batch of bread from just 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:52.080 one bakery and one small town. Doesn't doesn't really make sense. Um. 0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:56.040 Other explanations um that people have come to includes like 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.320 mercury poisoning and overuse of other fungicides. These have been 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:02.960 mostly disproved. Been Yeah, that doesn't seem like mercury poisoning. No, 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.000 but there is a guy who likes to drink some mercury, 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:10.920 you know boy. So yeah. So there's a lot of 0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:13.800 other theories around, like fungicides being used, but those have 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:15.880 been kind of disproved by some people, but others still 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.960 point to them as possible explanations. But but there is 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.880 one other theory that we will focus on that features 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:26.920 two of my favorite things LSD and the nineteen fifties CIA, 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:31.520 because if you're gonna pick a c I A, they 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.160 had the most fun. They had the most fun, right like, 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.280 you know who else has a lot of fun? Garrison, 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:41.000 who is also the nineteen fifties c I A whoms 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:45.640 our sponsors, Oh really happen here is sponsored only by 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:50.080 the fifties CIA, only the one from the fifties. Yeah, 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.360 when you order any of our product products, they will 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:56.040 come to your house and inject you with seven thousand 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:59.840 hits of LSD. Hey three, Hey, that is that sounds 0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:01.960 like a great deal. Honestly, you're saving a lot of money. 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:03.880 You are saying, that is a lot of free a 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.520 lot of acid for the amount of money you're spending. 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.360 You won't do more acid, that's for sure. You're that 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.920 that's acid for life. You won't do it again? Yeah, 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.520 you might, you probably. You won't have to do it, 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.880 you won't you want to do any expenses ever again. Yeah, 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.600 you'll survive, You'll just be a very different person by 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.120 the end of the Yeah, you you won't survive your 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:28.960 body with someone at the end of that someone else 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:32.280 will wake up. So, speaking of waking up here products 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:38.360 so nine fifties c I A um wild time. In 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:42.480 two thousand nine, Hank P. Albarelli is an an American 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.440 writer and journalist released a book called A Terrible Mistake, 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.280 which focuses on the suspicious death of a CIA scientist 0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.640 named Frank Olson, who worked on the CIA mind control 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:55.480 experiments during the late forties and early fifties. While researching 0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:58.080 the book, Albarelli claims to have come across a number 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:01.520 of old CIA and White House document referencing the pont 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:04.320 Saint to Sprite incident, and he claims that the village 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:06.440 was the target of a CIA experiment on the mass 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.360 effects of LSD and that around the time that Frank 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:12.160 Olsen wanted to sever his ties with the Army and CIA, 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.279 Frank started talking about his participation in the experiment, which 0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:18.000 may have led to the government off in Olsen. So 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.440 I know that is a lot and it is slightly 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.400 more than justice speculation. We're going to get into the 0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:25.400 evidence here shortly, UM, but by now it's pretty well 0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.840 known that throughout the authorities fifties and sixties, both the U. S. 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:32.400 Army and the CIA tried to use hallucinogenetic hallucinogenic drugs 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.359 such as LSD as both an offensive weapon and as 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:37.560 a way to make like psychic super soldiers in the 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:41.080 programs like m k Ultra and k Naomi, Project Bluebird, 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:45.239 Project Artichoke, UM, lots of watch, lots of these things 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.520 were trying to find different ways of using LSD for 0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.600 like offensive and defensive means. UM. Some of the interest 0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.719 was promoted by it was was prompted by reports of 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.200 the Soviet Union doing experiments with drugs around the same time. 0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:59.919 Also stuff around like you know, like like like Zeo 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.919 psychic powers and Hypno says. This was very popular around 0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:07.839 this time for for lots of different intelligence agencies. UM. 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:12.560 But so albert Elli uncovered report from nineteen forty nine 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:16.319 by the director of the Edward Arsenal which many which 0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.160 which was where many US government LST experiments were carried out, 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:21.960 and this report stated that the army should do everything, 0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.640 everything is everything, everything possible to launch so called field 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:29.560 experiments using this drug. And later in his to us 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.120 A nine book, Albrely claims that he found references to 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:37.080 a government document with the label RETU SPRI and f 0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:41.840 Olsen files s O SPAN slash France Operation File inclusive 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.600 Olsen Intel files. Hand Carrie to Bellin, tell him to 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.680 see to it that these are buried. Um, this document 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:50.520 does exist like we we we like we we we 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:54.399 we do have this label on on this document um, 0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:57.040 but like the actual contents of documents are are gone. 0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:58.880 But this is this is this is this is just 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:05.160 like a label that is being referenced as so the 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:09.040 document label references Frank Gilson and David Bellan. So. Belln 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.560 was the executive director of the Rockefeller Commission, created by 0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:15.240 the White House in the mid seventies to investigate abuses 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.680 carried out worldwide by the Central Intelligence Agency. So Albrey 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:24.160 believes that the that the French town LSD incident um, 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.719 which is like the pont saintist Bra which is the 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:28.800 name of the town, and the Ethelson files mentioned in 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:32.040 the document, would definitely show that if the document hadn't 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:34.160 been buried, as it was said in the in the 0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.840 label the CIA, it would show that the CIA was 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:39.440 experimenting on the townspeople by dosing them with what he 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.480 thinks was LSD. Um. Now there is also a bit 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.680 more to it than that. Um. Using Foya's he got 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.359 ahold of another CIA document, a two page report from 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.440 my team fifty four detailing a conversation between a CIA 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:55.000 agent and a representative of the Sand DAWs Chemical Company. 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:58.399 So this the San DAWs base was the place where 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:02.360 Albert Hoffman invented LSD in ninety eight UM and it 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:04.360 was it was it was only a few hundred kilometers 0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:08.320 away from Pont st Asprit, the town where this happened. 0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:12.080 So the chemical company was actually pretty pretty close relatively 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:15.239 to like Europe UM and it was also the only 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.480 place where LSD was being made at the time. And 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.040 they were providing both the Army and the CIA with 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:21.839 a lot of a lot of acid. But you mean 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.319 they're also giving it like they were also giving it 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:29.120 to universities. They gave lots to Timothy Laria initially. They 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:33.960 were they were, they were, they were giving it out 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.440 to a lot of different universities and people, but including 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:43.000 the US government, so the CIA. The CIA agent wrote 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:46.120 um in this report that was like he was detailing 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:49.160 a dinner he had with this representative of the chemical company, 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:51.960 and he reported that after having several drinks, the scientists 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:55.720 started talking about the Pont Saint Desprite incident. The senda's 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:59.040 official burned out the poont Saint Aspirit secret was that 0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:00.879 it was not the bread at all, continued to send 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:04.440 off official for weeks. The French tied up our laboratories 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:07.280 with analysis of the bread. It was not the grain ergot, 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.480 it was a die ethyl laminated Sorry, it's it's the 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:16.040 last part of the LSD. Yeah, the die ethyl lemonide 0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:19.400 like compound. So yeah, the surgic diethyl acid is what 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.920 LSD stands for. So yeah, he the sidists said that 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:24.960 it was. It was like it was like basically an 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:29.640 LSD like compound. Um, So that's that was the That 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:32.720 was report detail like a dinner that a CIA agent 0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:37.800 had with this scientist, um, and that document was uncovered. 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:40.719 That was it was from like the fifties. Now this this, 0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:42.759 this next part has a little bit less proof to 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.120 it because there's no documents backing this up. But al 0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:48.239 Brelli also claims that Dirk is diggig too forward. Ci 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.800 A researchers reached out to him and revealed that revealed 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.560 some details of most impossible details of the method of 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.080 the poisoning. They told him that the village was subjected 0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:07.280 to an air blitz of pulverized LSD Holy shit, I'm sorry, 0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:13.120 that's fucking based, so to force it to take the 0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.480 substance through the air. According to the researchers, this manner 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:21.239 of of this manner of distribution proved mostly unsuccessful, um, 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.640 forcing the CIA to move onto phase two, which was 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:28.080 contaminating local food. So apparently the if the if, if 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:32.440 the air blitz was a thing, it didn't take super well. Um. 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:38.319 Although actually to have Sophie bias a plane we will 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.839 talk about this later, but um, the CIA did do 0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:46.280 more air blitzing um of of acid in New York City. Actually, 0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.960 they would ride around in cars um in like poorer 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:54.080 and poorer more like multicultural areas, UM, shooting LSD out 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.040 of the back of the car to see what would 0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.600 happen if people, i mean take out the racism. And 0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:02.200 that really is a dream job, just driving around cities 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:07.920 air dosing people with acid. It random smoking cigarettes. Probably 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:11.000 so with the conclusion drawn that it was one of 0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:14.000 the town's bakeries being the source of the poisoning, Alberrel 0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:16.440 says it was possible that LSD was put in or 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:23.919 onto the bread. Um. So yeah, and uh. Also, lots 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:27.360 of the scientists, lots of the scientists dispatched to investigate 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.560 the poisoning after it took place, where actually from the 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.480 San DAWs Chemical Company. UM. They studied the situation for 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:35.040 like two or three weeks UM and gave the explanation 0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.480 that would later be kind of disproven, uh, that it 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:39.920 was got poisoning, which they told the town officials and 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.319 the British medical journal. UM. What what, What no one 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.719 knew at the time was that one the existence of 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:47.600 LSD in the first place, UM, and two that San 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.760 DAWs was the company making it and giving these drugs 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.839 to the U. S. Army and to the CIA. UM. 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:57.520 And apparently apparently Albert Hoffman himself went to the town 0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:02.839 to investigate this incident. UM. So yeah. And one last 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:05.600 thing on like the physical evidence side of things UM. 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:09.120 Albarelli also found an undated White House document that appeared 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:10.880 to be part of a larger file that have been 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.959 sent to members of the Rockefeller Commission, containing the names 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.680 of two French nationals who had been secretly employed about 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:20.200 the CIA and made direct references to the quote pont 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:24.720 Saint Esprit incident um. Also it was linked the document 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.560 linked former CIA biological warfare expert and the chief of 0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.799 the Fort Derek's Special Operations Division. So those are all 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.319 places that they were experiencing with this similar kind of thing. 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.360 Um we we we have mentioned the Rockefeller Commission a 0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:40.920 few times now for remember the names, uh, Frank Olsen, 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.960 the guy one of the CIA researchers on LST, and 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:45.920 David Bellan where they were they were they were on 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:49.200 the label of that missing document. So but Bellin was 0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:51.880 the executive director of the White House Commission to investigate 0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:55.520 the CIA's abuses and crimes, which was called the Rockefeller Commission. 0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:58.560 It was formed by President Ford in nineteen seventy five 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:02.240 to investigate abuse, uses, and other activities by the CIA 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:05.520 and a few other intelligence agencies that were operating within 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.800 the States. Um. So the Rockefeller Commission revealed not only 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:11.680 like the reason why we know but I'm Kaeltra was 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:13.759 because the Rockefeller Commission. This is this is how we 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.319 know this was a thing. Um. So it not only 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.440 revealed stuff about like programs around m k Ultra, but 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:23.520 also revealed the details of the CIA dosing their own scientist, 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:27.319 Frank Olsen with LSD and possibly killing him. Um. There's 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.920 also like there's like a Netflix series about this called 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.239 would Word, which I haven't. I haven't actually watched yet, 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:34.080 so I don't know how good or accurate it is, 0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:35.680 but they did. They did make a series a few 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:38.080 years ago about the death of Frank Olson. Um and 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.720 all of the weirds got yourself surrounding both his job 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.200 and and and and and his death. Um. We do 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:50.480 love the CIA, folks, So the The commission also concluded 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.680 that the head of the CIA's LSD program, doctor Sydney 0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.400 ghost Leap, destroyed all of the drug programs records in 0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:01.160 nineteen seventy three to hide the details of possibly illegal actions, 0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:04.799 and he was personally involved in the torture of Frank Olsen. UH. 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.560 Twenty years after Mr Olsen's death and ten years after 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:11.160 the LSTIC experiments were halted, a doctor Gotlieb ordered the 0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.239 destruction of all the records of the program, including a 0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:16.440 total of one hundred and fifty two separate files. This 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:20.480 came shortly after other reports that that that records were 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:23.920 being destroyed by Richard Helms that the then Director of 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:28.360 Central Intelligence. So it's undoubterably true that the CIA was 0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:32.720 up to up to some ship involving LST around around 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:36.239 the exact time period of this French Town incident. Yeah, 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:39.640 it's certainly not like you're not coming out of nowhere 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:42.680 suggesting the CIA may have dosed all these people, but 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:44.359 they set it to a bunch of folks. If they 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:47.239 didn't do it here, they've done similar ship. And it's 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:49.399 also it's also worth mentioning at this point that like 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.160 this is like the point where the CIA is also 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:56.839 running this like enormous heroin network out of France as 0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:58.919 like basically basically had this whole they have this deal 0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:00.759 with the French where their life Okay, so the French 0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:04.160 mob can like basically move all the heroin they want 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:06.760 and exchange they'll like stop the communists and taking control 0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.960 of the point of marseilla Is And so this is 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:11.200 this is all also going on like at the same 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:13.920 time that they're doing the LSD stuff. It's great. Yeah, 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:17.319 So there's there's some historians that think the LSD theory 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:20.120 does not hold enough water. Um Stephen Kaplan it's a 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:23.360 US historian specializing in the French food history and the 0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:26.840 author of the two book Cursed Bread, which follows this incident. 0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.279 Um He says that he is I have numerous objections 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:33.000 to this poultry evidence that this that this against the CIA. 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.880 First of all, it's clinically and coherent. LSD takes effects 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:38.080 in just a few hours, whereas the inhabitants, where the 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:41.000 inhabitants showed symptoms only after thirty six hours or more. 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.200 For the more, LSD does not cause that the digestive 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.640 elements or the vegetative effects described by the townspeople. Um. 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.319 And So to both those claims, I say, they're not 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:53.960 necessarily true. Um, it's it's it's unclear how soon the 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.480 delirious effects took place for some people. They were they 0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:59.840 forced effect felt Um. So the whole thing about like 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:03.640 the effect only taking effect after thirty six hours, that's 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:07.000 not that's not necessarily true. Um. And Also l s 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:11.839 D can definitely have nauseating or digestive effects. Yeah, absolutely, 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.799 so that's that's that's not that's yeah. And and but 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.120 but like there were other types of symptoms that are 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.319 not common for what we think of as like modern LST. Again, 0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.160 this is the nineties, and we don't know what they 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:24.399 were actually on it did it's maybe not, it may 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:26.960 not be what we think of as like LSD. Now 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:28.920 it could be slightly that you know that this is 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.680 a whole class of psychoactive drugs. That's unclear what they 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.200 were all actually being dosed with. Yeah, who the funk 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:36.879 knows what they were being given and who the funk 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.640 knows what the actual like dose amount was. Yeah, we 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.759 have no no idea. It's also you know, I think 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:44.520 it's leary was the origin of the phrase that like 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:46.560 the things that determine what happens on a trip or 0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.919 set setting in dose, So your mindset, where you take 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:51.680 it and who you take it around, and the dose 0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:55.359 and the fact that these are somewhat unique symptoms could 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.400 be to the fact that like other people taking ascid 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:02.160 have never taken it this way and town without knowing 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:07.800 what acid is like. So Kaplan's other objections revolve around 0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:10.600 like the delivery system. He says, it's absurd this idea 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:13.279 of transmitting a very toxic drug by putting by putting 0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:15.279 it in the bread as for pulver as to get 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.920 for ingestion through the air. That technology wasn't even possible 0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.320 at the time. Most compelling lee why would they choose 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.920 the town of pont st A Spree to conduct these tests. 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:24.960 It was half destroyed by the U. S Army during 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:26.759 fighting with the Germans in the Second World War. It 0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.560 makes no sense. And and to that, I say, that 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:31.560 makes it the perfect town for the CIA to funk 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:38.320 with Ian. Yeah, they generally would choose to dose someone 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:42.880 with acid because it sounded funny. Like. I think the 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:45.040 fact that this town was already kind of like only 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.279 half inhabited and half destroyed by the by the Second 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.879 World War, that makes the perfect town to funk with like. 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.680 And also they also the CIA and the government very 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:55.880 much did have the means to try to distribute stuff 0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.400 via the air, because we can see other we can 0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:00.480 see other documents are in the time of them doing 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.680 this too, specific areas of of New York City. They 0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:05.840 also tried to poison the entire New York Subway with 0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:08.000 LSD in the fifties, but that was shut down by 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:12.360 higher ups in in the Central Intelligence. Unly, God what 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:16.520 a time that would have been. But but cap But 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.960 but Caplin isn't sure or got responsible either. Um. He 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:23.160 says that or combination would not have worked because it 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:24.960 doesn't make sense that only one sack of grain would 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:27.239 have been affected. Um. And he says if it was 0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.840 or got the the effects would have been way more widespread. 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.000 He rules out LSD in the grounds and the symptoms 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.799 of people suffered, although similar don't quite fit what we 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:37.879 modernly think of the drug. Also, I don't I don't 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.600 think Caplin's ever taken LSD, so I don't think talking 0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.879 about I think he's right about it probably not being 0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:45.239 air got, but I don't think he knows much. Yeah, 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.799 hell he also he also he also points out that 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.160 LSD probably wouldn't have survived the fierce temperatures of the 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:53.359 baker's oven, although Albarelli counters that it could have been 0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:55.560 that LST could have been added after the fact to 0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:57.719 the surface of the breach. You could just drop it on. 0:47:57.800 --> 0:47:59.319 You could just drop it on with like with like 0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:02.200 liquid block, whichuld also explain how the effects were so 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.360 different from person to person, because one person may be 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:06.640 having a whole drop of LSD, where somebody maybe only 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:08.520 have like a tiny little like you know, spec of 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.839 like speck of like like moist liquid. So I can 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.800 explain some things, but you know, this is still pretty 0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:18.440 much a mystery. You know, It's very clear it this 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:20.840 very much, very well could have been some kind of 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:24.120 hidden LSD c I a experiment um or the CIA 0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:27.000 could have just been you know, interested in studying what 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:29.480 happened in the town since they were also doing studies 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:33.040 into psychoactives substances at the time. Um, it could be 0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:35.960 either or um. And that's where it's spooky because you'll 0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:40.520 never know. So, yes, that is that. That is the 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.960 spooky incident of a French town basically thinking that they 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:48.560 lost their minds and then you know they do. We 0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:54.360 it is a little funny. It is definitely a little funny. Um. 0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:57.320 It's it is a great example of like the worst 0:48:57.360 --> 0:49:03.000 way to trip. Yeah, that that's that's pretty high up there. Um. Anyway, 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:06.800 critical support to the CIA for josing random people with acid. 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:10.239 Always one of my favorite sets of stories. You love 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.319 to see it, so yeah, tune tune in, tune in 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:20.160 tomorrow for more spooky, spooky story and you can follow 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:25.600 the spooky social media that poisons your brain at cam 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.359 up in here pod and cool zone media which yes, 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:31.719 Twitter will poison your brain. That is just as spooky, um, 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:35.799 more spooky, way worse for your brain than surprise c 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:40.200 I a acid To be honest, the acid wears off. 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.839 I'm so close to clicking leaf meeting every time that 0:49:57.840 --> 0:49:59.759 that bullshit comes up. It's like, yes, I can sent 0:49:59.880 --> 0:50:02.880 the want to fucking here. All right, So we're starting 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:12.279 with that line from Daniel's well come to spooky. It 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:18.880 could happen here. Today. We are discussing a truly spooky topic, 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:22.440 one that everyone is just really gonna hate. Uh, and 0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:26.600 it's we're talking about let's say, esoteric keck is um 0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:30.839 and me magic. So Shanni, my brothers and sisters come 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:35.640 along on a ride. We read a whole book for this? 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.880 Oh at least I did you read a book just 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:42.239 for this? I would say that like all of the 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:45.400 books I read from age nineteen to twenty two prepared me. 0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:49.320 Have that have been preparing here for that? Yeah, the 0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:52.239 books I read while I was doing psychedelics twice a week. 0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:56.840 All really, we're good background on this subject. Is you 0:50:56.880 --> 0:51:02.200 want to kick us off? I don't so. I think firstly, 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:06.160 we're talking about we're gonna we're gonna emphasize awareness over 0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:08.839 amplification or that kind of my my goal for this 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:12.600 is that we can all be more aware of kind 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:15.200 of the power that images on the Internet can have 0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:19.120 over influencing the actual world. And talking about people who 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.879 believe this to a ridiculous degree and how they actually 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:23.880 have been able to institute change not only because of 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:26.480 this belief, just because of their dedication to this practice, 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.360 because it's it's because it's a thing that exists and 0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:33.200 it has had real world ramifications, and it's good to 0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:36.279 understand that that's a thing, and that also maybe we 0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.840 can influence the way we like us use the Internet 0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:42.440 to also maybe make good things happen as opposed to 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:46.120 just being dooomers all the time. Um so that's kind 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:49.480 of what I wanted to to start with, many jubs 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:56.680 to that garrison, complete keeck with you God. Although to 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:58.600 be fair, the past few days I have just been 0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:00.839 spamming the it could have and here a group chat 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:04.040 with horrible nonsense surround to kick it has been the 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:09.040 most insufferable week of my life. Horrible nonsense like paragraphs, 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:16.560 paragraph paragraphs, walls of text so big. Any any actually 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.680 safe working environment that cared about its employees would have 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:23.319 fired you long ago. Yeah. So, I think the other 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:26.919 thing that we should definitely mention is that any type 0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:31.160 of like occultism, mysticism, or like woo woo um has 0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:35.320 actually does have a decent history within right wing political 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:39.440 ideas and specifically like you know, like more extreme like 0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:43.560 right wing um stuff from the past few years. Like 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:46.200 everyone's most people know that like the modern not like 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:49.200 the like the early Nazis had some mystical stuff going on. 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:51.560 There's a lot more stuff going behind the scenes. A 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:56.080 lot of their favorite authors also were like practicing occultists. Um, 0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:57.879 this is this is this is a thing that goes 0:52:57.920 --> 0:52:59.839 back awhile you can even see this to some degree 0:52:59.880 --> 0:53:02.560 with like how close Christianity is to a lot of 0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:04.200 the right wing, to a lot of like the modern 0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:06.200 right wing the States as well, a lot of what 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:09.200 we would consider evangelical Christianity has a lot of stuff 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.880 that's actually very similar to occultism. They just use different 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:15.120 terms because occultism and and like magic is taboo, But 0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:17.720 it's actually the same things. It's all like just it's interest. 0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:20.160 It's interacting with the same systems, just with different words. 0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:22.319 So like this is this is the thing that is 0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:24.480 is not it's it's not just on the internet. This 0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:26.360 is thing that's been going on for thousands of years. 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.400 In particular, the past one years, we've seen a big 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:33.759 rise in the amount of like occultism and mysticism specifically 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:37.560 tied to politics. Yeah, and there's this. I mean, there 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:39.680 have been a couple of articles written just recently about 0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:41.960 the fact that a lot of like the Woo Woo left, 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:45.400 the kind of um, not really esoteric but kind of 0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:49.520 mainstream a CULTI left, like the popa CULTI left has 0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:52.520 has increasingly turned towards stuff like Q and On, And 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:55.600 a big chunk of it is like this, this openness 0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:59.600 to like feel power in coincidences, synchronicity would be they 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.480 is such. Yeah, and and just a general open mindedness 0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:09.040 to um, maybe too many things. Sure, Yeah, I mean 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:13.000 it's you can see this on on on a lot 0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:15.000 of a lot of sides because it's yeah, it's it 0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:16.800 is definitely not just the right wing, because like the 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:19.560 biggest example of it would probably be facets of Q 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.040 and On the past few years have done very similar 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:24.480 types of things. Uh, there's a lot of other stuff 0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:27.320 going on behind the scenes, like how how Pepe operated 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:28.959 was very similar to that, which is what we're mainly 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:31.680 talking about today. Um, but you know, there is also 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.400 stuff like this on on the left wing, whether it 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:37.200 be like New a G type stuff that seems to 0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:39.960 kind of mostly be bullshit, but there's a you know, 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.760 other other type of like like like like folk magic 0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:46.919 or like indigenous traditions that have that have I would 0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:50.920 say slightly more of uh, significantly more like there's reasonable 0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:54.759 actually stuff going on as opposed to just like New 0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:57.399 age selling books and that kind of stuff. Yeah. One 0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:02.040 of the things that also separates actual religion from religion 0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:06.320 that kind of has formed in this nomadic way recently 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.799 is that all of this stuff, particularly what we're talking 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:14.359 about today, formed simultaneously with political sentiment and as and 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:16.880 and was was crafted and in a lot of cases, 0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:20.600 like they state facts wrong specifically because they are trying 0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:23.480 to craft a political narrative alongside this like weird quasi 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.720 spiritual things and speaking of spiritualism coming to the same 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:28.920 kind of coming to the same and this is you know, 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:32.320 we're all kind of anarchisty adjacent here. And one of 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:35.360 the things that really came up around the same time 0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:38.160 as anarchism in the twentieth century was a concept called 0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:42.120 chaos magic, which was really really really tied to a 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:43.960 lot of old really tied to a lot of like 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:47.560 anarchist thought and anarchists kind of thinkers some of the 0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:50.560 most same as chaos magicians are like explicitly anarchists, someone 0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:54.239 like Grant Morrison. Um. Others are like Discordians which have 0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:56.919 a lot of like anarchists crossover stuff, like like Robert 0:55:57.000 --> 0:56:01.200 Enton Wilson, which kind of operates in that same ocean. Yeah, 0:56:01.280 --> 0:56:03.120 he played a big role in kind of pulling me 0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:06.600 away from proto alt right style beliefs. And I think 0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:10.120 also a lot of his work was very intelligently crafted 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.960 because he wrote about conspiracies, He wrote about esoteric magic, 0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:17.600 but always with a really intent eye on increasing people's 0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:22.160 defenses to this kind of stuff what we're talking about today. Um, 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:24.480 he was very like cognizant of that, Like he wrote 0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:28.000 about conspiracy as an enthusiast, but also as someone who 0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:32.600 was trying to stop um kind of unchecked conspiratorial belief. Yeah, 0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:35.200 he went awout about that in peculiar ways, but he 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:37.640 was an odd man. Yeah. And the reason why I've 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:39.760 been getting more into this type of type of stuff 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.640 the past year, uh increase. And the reason why I 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:45.680 really like chaos magic as I like it as like 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:49.360 a postmodern system of magic of looking at how basically 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:51.839 if magic is just ideas and trying to figure out 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:54.839 how our brains can interact with the physical world. Then 0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:57.640 chaos magic introduces a lot of interesting stuff around like 0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:01.440 late stage capitalism, because it is it's explicitly tied to 0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:05.160 to like postmodern art and postmodern thought, um in the 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:08.080 way you know, brands and marketing and specifically the Internet 0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:10.799 all affects our minds. All this stuff gets talked about 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:13.319 charis matic a lot, and I really like look using 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:17.640 that framework for things um and speaking of that kind 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.040 of stuff specifically around the Internet, we're gonna be talking about. 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:21.960 The first thing I want to mention is like the 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:26.000 concept of searching for something and then you're like you're 0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:28.000 and you're gonna find it, whether that you know, Robert 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:31.400 Enton Wilson and um, like the Illuminatious Trilogies has like 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:34.760 and and like, and Discordianism has like twenty three and 0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:37.000 the Law of Fives. Right. I I read that book 0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:39.320 when I was twenty and I have been like seeing 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:42.880 twenty three's repeatedly at like significant moments in my life 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:45.720 for the last fourteen years or so. Like, Yeah, it's 0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:48.280 it's like, once you get that kind of meme implanted 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:50.360 in your brain, it can stick with you for forever. 0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:52.680 And and this this happens to everything. You know, this 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:54.800 happens to This happens to everyone. Like once you learn 0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:57.360 about a new topic, the next day, you'll see it 0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:01.920 somewhere right, You'll like, you'll you'll be and it's it's 0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:03.640 in all these places that you didn't see it before. 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.200 This happens all of the time with everything. This is 0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:09.200 how this is like how synchronicity works, and this is 0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:14.400 where religions come from, Yeah, throughout history. And it's because 0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:16.960 like this all has its roots in why we're very 0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:21.440 good hunters. We are patterned and we're pattern recognition, like 0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:24.840 our brains are pattern recognizing machines. That's what we're best at. 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:27.920 And it means that we're good at spotting berries and 0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:31.120 tracking deer. And it also means that we can't stop 0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:35.160 making religions. We can and if we have one too 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:38.280 many synchronicities, we can change the entire way we view 0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:42.160 view about the like the whole world, which can have 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:45.000 varying degrees of effects. Sometimes it can if it's just 0:58:45.040 --> 0:58:47.919 a little bit that can maybe back tould be very helpful. Um, 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.440 if you join a weird cult that does messed up stuff, 0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:53.080 then it's like, yeah, that's a problem. Yeah, sometimes it 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:56.919 ends in burning man and sometimes it ends and burning men. Yeah, 0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:03.720 dropped the bomb. So first thing I want to kind 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:06.200 of discuss before we get into the actual timeline of 0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:08.520 how pepcism became a thing, I want to just do 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:12.760 a brief overview of sigils and memes um and the 0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:18.240 idea of what Like, let's let's take the original concept 0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:20.880 of the meme, which is like you know, the it's 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:25.280 genes are genetic, memes are cultural. There's air cultural ideas 0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:30.600 that can spread like a virus um and usually memes. 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.320 In the since since since the Internet has become way 0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:37.600 more popular, memes have become more tied to images, like like, 0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:40.200 memes are a much more visual thing now, whereas in 0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:41.960 the nineties they were more of just like like an 0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:44.160 idea concept, but now they have like in this extra 0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:48.160 visual backing. So a sigil is a is a magical 0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:51.640 concept and mostly to chaos magic, which is basically an 0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:56.800 abstract concept um or or like a specific concept put 0:59:56.840 --> 0:59:59.960 into an abstract image that then gets charged and then 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:02.840 it's going to manifest itself in your life. The reason 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:06.480 why this works it's because part part of this desire 1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:09.200 gets implanted deep in your brain when you charge it 1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:11.240 through like a trance or that there's a there's there's 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:14.040 like there's different methods of charging sigils, but you have this, 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:16.600 you have this concept and this idea and this desire 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:18.720 and it gets put into you. So you're gonna kind 1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:22.400 of subconsciously do things that that influence it into becoming 1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:25.040 something that you can see. Just like you know, if 1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:26.680 you're if you're looking, if you hear about twenty three, 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:28.520 you're gonna see it. Same thing for this. It's it's 1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:31.680 it's it's the same kind of based concept. Um. And 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:35.840 then Grant Morrison of comic book Writers, right, my favorite 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:38.080 comic book writer. He he was, he's really the only 1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:42.360 person that's developed sigil's more since their inception UM with 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:45.000 the concept of a hyper sigil, which is taking this 1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:48.040 theme idea of like wanting to influence change in the 1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:51.760 world via this visual medium of a sigil, and instead 1:00:51.760 --> 1:00:53.800 of just having it be like an abstract glyph that 1:00:53.880 --> 1:00:57.320 you charge, hyper sigil is an entire work of art 1:00:57.400 --> 1:01:01.080 with this express interest. Um. So everything that you do 1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:03.600 in this is trying to get some type of real 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:06.440 world change, and it's very very intentional, Right, and a 1:01:06.440 --> 1:01:08.320 lot of art already oprights like this. This is why 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:10.840 a lot of postmodern magic is very similar just to 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:13.760 like making art, because it's the same kind of basic idea, 1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:16.320 whether that be something like you know, like the matrix 1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:18.800 or you know, any any type of art kind of 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:22.360 does this already. If it is good um and it in, 1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:26.800 it can find ways to influence reality. So memes operate 1:01:26.880 --> 1:01:29.680 on this same way, and eventually people actually found it. 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:31.960 Eventually people on four ch and realize that that they 1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:34.560 were doing sigils and started using this word because it's 1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:37.080 really the same thing when you're when you're altering all 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:40.000 of these images of this frog and posting it into 1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:43.040 all these different kind of more abstract more like ugly 1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:47.840 obscure kind of like weird like surreal types of types 1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:50.720 of memes, and you're spamming them on politicians Twitter account. 1:01:50.920 --> 1:01:53.240 You're basically doing a group a group sedul and a 1:01:53.240 --> 1:01:55.560 group hyper cigul because you're all making these individual things 1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:58.080 and you're spamming them into the world, and because there's 1:01:58.120 --> 1:01:59.880 so many of them, yeah, they're gonna have they're gonna 1:01:59.880 --> 1:02:02.160 have a real world effect, and they're going to have 1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:04.000 a real world effect in part because of the way 1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:06.680 human brains work, in part because of the way algorithms work, 1:02:07.000 --> 1:02:09.320 which is one of the things where like it's it's easy, 1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:13.440 especially if you're an impressionable kid, to mistake the algorithm 1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:16.080 doing what it's designed to do, which is find patterns 1:02:16.280 --> 1:02:19.560 groups of people sharing something and expand that to a 1:02:19.640 --> 1:02:21.520 larger group of people, because oh, if this cluster of 1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:23.640 people like this, this will probably be something that's very 1:02:23.880 --> 1:02:26.960 Algorithms are great at making synchronicities because that's what they're 1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:29.120 designed to do. That's what they're supposed that that's the 1:02:29.160 --> 1:02:32.720 whole point of why they exist, and that's why this 1:02:32.880 --> 1:02:35.320 is that that that's why are because as you stated 1:02:35.360 --> 1:02:36.920 a little earlier, and one of these days on Bastards, 1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:40.480 we're gonna talk about Helena Blovotsky and like the Theosophy 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:43.600 movement and more detail, like all of the occult stuff 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:46.000 that fed into the Third the early stage of the 1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:49.880 Third Reich. But the occult back then is very different 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:51.880 from the kind of occult feeding into fascism now, which 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:55.120 is heavily based around synchronicity, because it's also heavily based 1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:57.560 around social media and the way memes bread. Yeah, that's why. 1:02:57.600 --> 1:03:00.360 That's I think chaos magic has really gotten kind of 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:03.360 a resurgence the past few years with social media and 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:05.760 how algorithms developed, because they do mirror a lot of 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:08.760 the concepts within chaos magic, because the Internet is kind 1:03:08.760 --> 1:03:11.560 of a chaotic place. But also it's not just pure chaos. 1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:14.600 It is chaos within a framework of order, which is 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:16.360 why I like the like the like the chaos star, 1:03:17.080 --> 1:03:20.040 like the like the actual like chaos like sigil. Yes, 1:03:20.240 --> 1:03:22.520 the arrows are pointing in every direction, but you can 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:24.640 make a perfect circle around all of the arrows. It's 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:27.480 because it's not just pure chaos, it actually is contained 1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:30.520 with within this other framework. And by the way, Garrison, 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:34.760 when you started talking about synchronigeas and sigils, I checked 1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:36.440 my phone for a second and saw that it was 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:41.080 five seventeen on October five. Of course contains both two 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:43.640 and three and as thus a sacred number October twenty three. 1:03:43.680 --> 1:03:50.040 I shouldn't have to explain why that significant. And it's yeah, 1:03:50.080 --> 1:03:53.000 but it's the twenty three on my phone. Why because 1:03:53.080 --> 1:03:58.520 my phone's fucked up? Because because because now the universe, baby, 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:03.080 that's the synchronicity. I'm living in the future. Motherfucker's And 1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:05.360 what time is it that it's not right now? It 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:11.200 was phone and the other time it is. I don't 1:04:11.240 --> 1:04:15.400 need to know what time it is your default. No, no, yeah, 1:04:15.520 --> 1:04:18.640 you're you're you're on a different, different dimensional plane. Now 1:04:18.840 --> 1:04:23.400 we have two into two different ones. I think I 1:04:23.480 --> 1:04:26.560 think that I think this gives up gives us a 1:04:26.600 --> 1:04:30.400 perfect opportunity for the audience to find their own synchronicities 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:32.800 in these ads, because who knows what's going to happen, 1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:38.560 what's gonna play, So look for patterns and you'll find them. 1:04:39.640 --> 1:04:42.080 Here's some as I hope it's an ad for the 1:04:42.160 --> 1:04:47.480 Egyptian goddess Mott and we are back, We're gonna, We're 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:49.400 gonna now actually kind of get into some of the 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:53.920 some of the actual peppe nonsense. UM. I think another 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:55.880 important part to mention is that like for a lot 1:04:55.920 --> 1:04:59.160 of people doing this online, this this is like an 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:02.480 online pattern that happens all the time. Um, it happens 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:04.960 with It happens with stuff like this, It happens with 1:05:05.240 --> 1:05:07.080 with with cat boys, it happens with a whole bunch 1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:09.640 of stuff. Is that like stuff starts as a joke 1:05:10.200 --> 1:05:13.000 and then you do it a lot, and the repetition 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:16.920 basically makes you do it genuinely. Yeah, like me talking 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:19.640 about getting all of my followers to a compound in 1:05:19.720 --> 1:05:22.320 Idaho where we die fighting the f d A exactly 1:05:22.360 --> 1:05:25.640 Intually that turns into an actual death cult. So it's 1:05:25.680 --> 1:05:27.720 it's it starts as a joke and then under repetition 1:05:27.800 --> 1:05:30.920 it becomes genuine. This happens so basically almost everything on 1:05:30.960 --> 1:05:34.200 the internet. Yeah, this, this, this, this, this leads to 1:05:34.240 --> 1:05:37.680 Garrison and I doing the inevitable Robert Evans Behind the 1:05:37.680 --> 1:05:41.600 Bastards episode episode the three part or if I ever 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:46.120 heard one you you hope so you wish what what 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:50.640 are what are cat boys? This is different? That's a 1:05:50.680 --> 1:05:54.439 different you're here, that is a different podcast, I think, Yeah, Hi, sorry, 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:57.160 I know I only interjected briefly. Is that is that? 1:05:57.560 --> 1:06:02.320 Are they? Are they like prefurries? That's different? No, cowboys, Fury, 1:06:02.360 --> 1:06:05.800 it's kind of it's it's it's it's rehumanizing the it's 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:10.160 rehumanizing the furies. So like the same way that the 1:06:10.280 --> 1:06:13.160 same way, the same way Sonic the Hedgehog is a 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:20.560 re mickey mousification of vegeta. Uh, cowboys are a humanification 1:06:20.680 --> 1:06:22.680 of furries. This is a whole process on the I 1:06:22.760 --> 1:06:24.840 can explain this in great detail in the later episode, 1:06:25.680 --> 1:06:27.080 but I think we have enough. We have enough to 1:06:27.120 --> 1:06:31.400 talk about already. Thank you so much, my dog. Okay. 1:06:31.480 --> 1:06:37.440 Sure would someone be willing to sacrifice their own mentality 1:06:37.560 --> 1:06:42.360 to describe the rise of Pepe and just originally in 1:06:42.440 --> 1:06:45.560 the early twenty teens, Yeah, so it started is this 1:06:45.640 --> 1:06:48.920 guy's comic that there was nothing particularly about. Yeah, it 1:06:49.040 --> 1:06:51.480 was just it was a dude's comic. He was like, uh, 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:54.280 feels good man, was kind of a good man. He 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:56.960 was a chill dude. He was a chill dude. Yeah, 1:06:57.120 --> 1:07:00.280 not a fascist comic. Peppe is actually pretty fun. Yeah, 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:04.120 comic Pepe, He's like, he's like a millennial slacker who 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:05.959 doesn't really know what to do with his life after 1:07:06.360 --> 1:07:08.800 like after nine eleven, after the financial crash. He's just 1:07:08.840 --> 1:07:11.960 trying to kind of get by the comics. Fine. Yeah, 1:07:12.000 --> 1:07:14.680 the comics fine, but the art just that kind of 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:17.120 the specifics of how he drew Pepe made him very 1:07:17.200 --> 1:07:19.600 well suited for a meme because he's expressive and he 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:23.560 so he shows up and starts getting spread in four chan, 1:07:23.840 --> 1:07:26.640 and you know that kind of idea goes viral, and 1:07:26.680 --> 1:07:29.520 it particularly gets attached to a lot of like the 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:31.880 political ship on Pole and the people who are like 1:07:32.080 --> 1:07:35.520 churning into gamer Gate and the right sad. Pepe gets 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:39.240 very popular, smug Pepe gets very popular. Yeah, yeah, And 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:48.600 then as so kick is text of it, like later on, 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:51.840 I think we'll go over more for like how Pepe 1:07:52.040 --> 1:07:55.200 is like the cartoon character got you know, as soon 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:57.640 as it becomes a meme, it spreads out into all corners. 1:07:57.960 --> 1:08:01.040 And the people who means this hardest were were on fortune. 1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:03.280 So this is how pep Peppe became very kind of 1:08:03.920 --> 1:08:06.080 tied to this. And I think the last bullet in 1:08:06.120 --> 1:08:09.160 Pepe really solidifying him as as an alt right meanings 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:13.040 specifically was the Richard Spencer punch. I think think that's 1:08:13.040 --> 1:08:14.800 the thing that actually was like done. It's like, no, 1:08:14.920 --> 1:08:17.599 Pepe is just this now, he can't be anything else 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:19.799 because but when when when Richard Spencer was being punched, 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:22.880 he was describing what Pepe was. That was what's happening 1:08:22.960 --> 1:08:25.760 in that specific viral moment. If you want to talk 1:08:25.760 --> 1:08:28.639 about like magical terms, this is Pepe getting like charged, 1:08:28.800 --> 1:08:31.439 like this is the idea of like this idea getting 1:08:31.479 --> 1:08:33.879 getting charged because it is now going to be perflated 1:08:33.920 --> 1:08:36.320 to the masses in this in this moment of like 1:08:36.439 --> 1:08:40.479 pure motion. So that's when Pepe really gets tied to. 1:08:40.600 --> 1:08:44.120 And I think Hillary Clinton made it very, very worse 1:08:44.760 --> 1:08:46.800 the way she talked about this kind of stuff on 1:08:47.040 --> 1:08:52.400 her speeches basically gave gave the all right a baseball 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:55.559 bat to hit her with the the problem that Clinton 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:57.240 and everyone else because like a big part of I 1:08:57.280 --> 1:08:59.759 would argue that like the largest part of why Pepe 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:02.800 became a thing that was destined to last was that 1:09:03.200 --> 1:09:07.040 pundits and politicians, including Hillary and media people kept talking 1:09:07.080 --> 1:09:10.240 about it as a fascist symbol and kept discussing like 1:09:10.360 --> 1:09:12.600 what it was, and that anyone who grew up on 1:09:12.680 --> 1:09:14.800 the Internet, who grew up around these communities knows that 1:09:15.120 --> 1:09:17.640 you would ignore them as much as possible, to the 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:20.600 extent that that's possible. You don't feed the troll you 1:09:20.680 --> 1:09:23.160 don't give them power, Yeah, you don't, And and talking 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:26.800 about it again, this is like chas mat like referencing it, 1:09:26.880 --> 1:09:29.240 bringing it up, bringing it into the real world gives 1:09:29.280 --> 1:09:32.040 it power. That's the thing that feeds it. Yeah, So 1:09:32.280 --> 1:09:34.200 that that's how it got so much more power the 1:09:34.240 --> 1:09:37.479 more Clinton talked about it, the more news media wrote 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:40.200 about it, everyone got so excited on fortune. That's like 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:42.760 that's that's that's like, that is them winning than them 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:47.320 seeing this thing. And and then and then this goes 1:09:47.479 --> 1:09:50.600 back pre even being far I can't remember because I 1:09:50.760 --> 1:09:52.960 was in these spaces when they first started doing ship 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:55.840 like raids on the Church of Scientology. Every time there 1:09:55.840 --> 1:09:58.439 would be actual, like news coverage of what people on 1:09:58.520 --> 1:10:01.880 the Internet did, it got people so fucking excited because 1:10:01.920 --> 1:10:03.679 like the Internet had been this thing that didn't matter 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:06.080 for the longest. I think in the in the book 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:08.599 I read about this kind of stuff, they did use 1:10:08.680 --> 1:10:11.680 the example of like Anonymous and the raids on Centology 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:14.439 being like a precursor to this type of like me 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:18.760 magic of this thing like like internet forums influencing the 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:22.599 real world through repetition and getting getting to grow power. 1:10:22.680 --> 1:10:24.880 We're getting people who don't use Internet to talk about 1:10:24.920 --> 1:10:27.519 these same things. It was like a precursor to then 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:29.320 what we what we saw the al right, which is 1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:32.960 which is a pretty pretty common opinion. Um and then 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:37.560 and then enter enter the Egyptian gods. Roberts, do you 1:10:37.640 --> 1:10:41.080 wanna do you wanna? I don't wanna. I don't wanna 1:10:41.240 --> 1:10:45.680 discuss that. We're gonna That's what we're gonna say. Next is, 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:49.719 how is this intersex with Egyptian gods? The ancient pharaoh 1:10:49.760 --> 1:10:54.439 has played a card game of ancient and terrible power man. 1:10:54.640 --> 1:11:03.559 Nobody wats you as a kid, This is no now, Robert, 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:06.000 do you wanna do you wanna? Do you wanna? Do 1:11:06.040 --> 1:11:09.760 you want to discuss keck? Yeah? I mean so way 1:11:09.880 --> 1:11:11.840 back in the day, um and I think I think 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:13.760 this even pre dates World war Craft. I remember at 1:11:13.800 --> 1:11:16.280 first happening on like StarCraft Games online, there would be 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:19.479 like gamers from Korea, and like when you were doing 1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:21.320 like a Zurg rush or something, which is when you 1:11:21.400 --> 1:11:23.120 have a bunch of guys and they all attack the 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:26.040 enemy base or whatever, they would type out their term 1:11:26.160 --> 1:11:29.000 for l O L, which was like keck k e 1:11:29.200 --> 1:11:31.720 K yeah kau k so would usually just look like 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:33.400 a stream of k e K e k k k 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:37.160 k over and over and over again. This really took 1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:40.280 off in World of Warcraft, where like there were Korean 1:11:40.320 --> 1:11:42.320 gold farmers were a big thing, and like keck was 1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:44.400 something that like everyone kind of knew what it meant 1:11:44.400 --> 1:11:46.040 because it was often the only thing you can understand. 1:11:46.080 --> 1:11:48.400 You could you could understand as an American that like 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:51.120 these people would be typing um and it as a 1:11:51.240 --> 1:11:53.400 result of kind of all of that, it took off 1:11:53.560 --> 1:11:56.280 an internet culture as just an l O L and 1:11:56.320 --> 1:11:58.400 specifically like one of the things that's going on here 1:11:58.920 --> 1:12:01.880 as the mid a it's dawn and the Internet becomes 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:05.120 serious business and like social media really and everybody's even 1:12:05.160 --> 1:12:07.559 before social media is dominant, but just when everybody's taking 1:12:07.600 --> 1:12:10.160 the Internet seriously, it's clear there's a lot of money 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:13.400 in it. It's it's mainstream. You have this this kind 1:12:13.439 --> 1:12:16.320 of second generation of Internet people who got on in 1:12:16.360 --> 1:12:18.559 the late nineties early two thousands when they were kids, 1:12:18.920 --> 1:12:21.800 who get frustrated at the fact that all of these 1:12:21.840 --> 1:12:24.559 different terms and phrases and like bits of Internet culture 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:29.800 that they had identified with our going mainstream and are 1:12:29.880 --> 1:12:32.360 using them. Yeah. Yeah, And keck is everyone knows what 1:12:32.520 --> 1:12:34.080 l O L is. People don't know what keck is. 1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:36.080 So in places like four Chan, that becomes a really 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:41.240 popular thing. And keck kind of is like so keck 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:43.880 as a as a term for laughters like floating around 1:12:43.920 --> 1:12:46.040 at the same time as like pepe a memes, and 1:12:46.120 --> 1:12:49.560 so whenever you whenever you like meme something into the mainstream, 1:12:49.600 --> 1:12:52.439 whenever like some four chan op or whatever you wanna 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:55.880 call it, like succeeds in getting main streams. It's as 1:12:55.920 --> 1:12:58.920 Hiler Clinton mentions Peppe on stage, everyone in fourtune goes 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:00.920 kick because they're laughing. They go can they say, like 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:04.240 top kick and whatnot? And and and eventually somebody realizes 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:08.439 that there's an Egyptian goddess. One of the translations of 1:13:08.520 --> 1:13:11.960 that god and goddess his name is k e k Um. 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:14.360 Now there's a couple of other translations. There's there's there's 1:13:14.360 --> 1:13:15.880 there's a whole bunch of issues with this if you 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:17.559 wanted to look at it, that's with a rational kind 1:13:17.560 --> 1:13:20.320 of brain. Is because like this, there was this old 1:13:20.439 --> 1:13:23.120 family of god's are very very old old Egyptian gods. 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:26.800 They all had male and female versions. The male versions 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:30.240 all had frog heads um and but around frogs can 1:13:30.360 --> 1:13:35.320 change their gender, so like so like all of the 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:38.200 all this whole era of Egyptian gods all had frog heads. 1:13:38.320 --> 1:13:40.040 So there was one of them that was named Keck 1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:42.360 who was a god of chaos. And this also played 1:13:42.400 --> 1:13:45.800 into how Fortune was using Trump because like they liked 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:48.840 Trump mostly as like as like a chaotic reforce that 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:51.920 got people angry, because that's what that's what Fortune wanted 1:13:51.920 --> 1:13:53.320 to do as well. They wanted to be a chaotic 1:13:53.360 --> 1:13:55.320 force again that gets people angry. That's why they really 1:13:55.400 --> 1:13:58.680 latched onto Trump. Um. And then when they found out that, 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:01.320 oh there's this god named Keck who is like the 1:14:01.360 --> 1:14:06.280 lord of like like like um like pro what's the 1:14:06.320 --> 1:14:10.160 word um, primordial darkness, primordial darkness. Yeah, and this idea 1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:16.120 not yeah yeah, kind of like um um urinus and 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:18.600 like Greco Roman faith, right, like a god kind of 1:14:18.720 --> 1:14:21.320 before the gods that are are more well known. But 1:14:21.439 --> 1:14:24.280 like this was a synchronicity, so they took it as like, 1:14:24.640 --> 1:14:27.920 you know, the same way religions take take synchronicity and 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:31.320 create and create like divinity. They took this as like 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:34.519 this take they took this as like divinity. Again this 1:14:34.840 --> 1:14:37.200 this starts as a joke, but you do it enough 1:14:37.320 --> 1:14:39.840 and you start to take it seriously, and there's a 1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:42.960 you get a mix of um, you get a mix 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:47.080 of of real like Egyptology was that. Yeah, there was 1:14:47.120 --> 1:14:49.559 a god named Kick like among a bunch of other gods. 1:14:50.080 --> 1:14:51.720 One of the ways he was depicted was with a 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:55.160 frog head. But also like bad egyptology. Like I found 1:14:55.160 --> 1:14:57.760 an article on the word plus press blog Peppe the 1:14:57.800 --> 1:15:00.160 frog Faith, which oh, I'm sure this, I'm of this 1:15:00.280 --> 1:15:03.240 is like a bastion of archaeology, and and the title 1:15:03.360 --> 1:15:06.760 is amateur egyptologist weighs in on the frog statue hieroglyphs. 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:08.479 And one of the things he points out are talking 1:15:08.479 --> 1:15:10.439 about the frog statues that isn't check but they thought 1:15:10.479 --> 1:15:13.720 it was kick yeah, yeah, yeah, and a number of things. 1:15:13.760 --> 1:15:15.280 So like one of the things this guy claims is 1:15:15.360 --> 1:15:18.640 that the hieroglyphics for Keeck are a frogman um and 1:15:18.720 --> 1:15:20.760 then a couple of what he calls baskets. First, not 1:15:20.920 --> 1:15:26.400 their cups, not baskets. Second, the actual um uh hieroglyphics 1:15:26.520 --> 1:15:29.799 for for k e K don't include the little frogman. 1:15:29.840 --> 1:15:31.479 They're like the two of the little cups in this 1:15:31.600 --> 1:15:34.600 weird T shaped thing. Like yeah, it's all, it's all, 1:15:34.720 --> 1:15:38.120 Like it's bad again, amateur egyptologist. Like he's just a 1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:40.400 kid who was googling stuff and like got some either 1:15:40.520 --> 1:15:44.120 lied or got some hieroglyphics wrong. But this kind of 1:15:44.160 --> 1:15:46.720 stuff compounds. But Keck as like an idea of is 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:49.240 like now we have a backing of an ancient god. 1:15:49.320 --> 1:15:51.599 Again first as a joke, but then some people start 1:15:51.640 --> 1:15:55.439 to take it more seriously. Really really caught on among 1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:58.599 people because because because it's funny, like it's it's just funny, 1:15:58.640 --> 1:16:01.760 and it is funny, it seem funny. That's gonna catch 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:04.439 on on for chat because it's hilarious, right, so they're 1:16:04.439 --> 1:16:06.800 gonna start using this and repeating this and creating a 1:16:06.800 --> 1:16:09.479 whole new memes, creating Like there's like there's like an 1:16:09.560 --> 1:16:13.000 eight eight part book series that's like fake books written 1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:15.639 by like someone who's like just me big but pretending 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:19.679 to take it seriously, but like the authenticity doesn't actually 1:16:19.800 --> 1:16:22.360 matter because because it exists, it doesn't actually matter how 1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:27.120 athtic it is. Yeah, Like, and there's there's weird coincidences 1:16:27.160 --> 1:16:29.240 that continue to occur, Like one of the biggest being 1:16:29.320 --> 1:16:32.280 there's this like phrase shadow, which creeps up in all 1:16:32.280 --> 1:16:34.599 of this and becomes like this exhortation that they use 1:16:34.720 --> 1:16:37.720 like a way of like exclaiming and such. And then 1:16:37.760 --> 1:16:40.960 somebody figures out that shadow is also a song, like 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:43.240 an allow disco song I think from the seventies and 1:16:43.320 --> 1:16:45.400 the album that Shadow is on has like a frog 1:16:45.720 --> 1:16:48.200 man face on the cover. Um, and so they're like 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:51.599 it's a sign like all of the because you're gonna 1:16:51.720 --> 1:16:54.360 find frogs wherever you look now, because that has becomes 1:16:54.479 --> 1:17:01.240 the uncommon fends ever. Are gonna find them everywhere now 1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:03.960 and there are every ancient religion everywhere in the world. 1:17:04.000 --> 1:17:06.000 I'm gonna get guaranteed there's some fucking frogs in it, 1:17:06.080 --> 1:17:11.040 because like they're everywhere, and they're old creatures peoples, they've 1:17:11.040 --> 1:17:15.240 been around for a long time, have been around. So 1:17:15.960 --> 1:17:18.960 the other the other thing that happened, so people not 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:23.280 only basically created their whole mythology around this, creating different 1:17:23.320 --> 1:17:25.599 types of religion. There was like keckis m as a religion, 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:29.240 the cult of keck Um, esoter Keechism, all of their 1:17:29.280 --> 1:17:31.800 own distinct differences. Because these people spend all their time 1:17:31.840 --> 1:17:34.920 on the internet. Um, they developed all these things. And 1:17:35.000 --> 1:17:38.400 they also found this old frog statue that they said 1:17:38.560 --> 1:17:41.559 was keck it Actually it isn't. It's actually it's actually 1:17:41.600 --> 1:17:44.920 a gold called heck it Um. But on the basis 1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:50.160 does it does, it doesn't matter. But on the base 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:53.400 of the statue it had it had gliphs which appear 1:17:53.479 --> 1:17:57.519 to us modern humans as they look like someone sitting 1:17:58.000 --> 1:17:59.960 on a computer. Like they look like like someone sitting 1:18:00.000 --> 1:18:02.560 in front of a monitor on a keyboard. Um, and 1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:04.559 on the other side of the keyboard is a DNA 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:07.439 is like what looks like a DNA spiral. So this 1:18:07.640 --> 1:18:11.280 is like Jesus like jeans, right, jeans, jeans are DNA. 1:18:11.760 --> 1:18:15.200 Memes are cultural DNA. This is a glyph of the 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:18.839 god Teck on a statue with someone on a computer 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:21.800 with a DNA spiral. Of course they're gonna take this 1:18:21.920 --> 1:18:24.080 is like some like message from the from the gods. 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:26.400 You're like, yes, I'm supposed to be. I am supposed 1:18:26.439 --> 1:18:29.760 to be by my meming, I'm doing Keex's work to 1:18:29.920 --> 1:18:36.559 put Trump into office. Yeah it's um god, that's frustrating insurance. Uh, 1:18:37.080 --> 1:18:39.080 it sure is. But like all of those in the 1:18:39.120 --> 1:18:40.880 in group, this is like the statue was just a 1:18:40.920 --> 1:18:42.600 depiction of what the check people and the and the 1:18:42.600 --> 1:18:45.679 Pepper Spaniards were doing posting on the Internet to manifest 1:18:45.760 --> 1:18:48.240 real world change, and that's that's all it is. If 1:18:48.280 --> 1:18:50.760 you want to see other examples of this, like if 1:18:50.800 --> 1:18:52.760 you look at the ancient alien stuff, there's this like 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:56.840 famous Mayana higher glyph of the astronomer that's like if 1:18:56.920 --> 1:18:59.920 you if you know what a telescope is, because you're 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:02.479 looking at it a thousand years after it was carved, 1:19:02.520 --> 1:19:04.640 it kind of looks like it might be a telescope. 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:07.160 And it's part of what people say, like, oh, this 1:19:07.280 --> 1:19:09.040 is proof that like that this is an alien, Like 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:12.639 he's looking at a fucking telescope. No, it was, there's 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:16.559 other explanations for it. It was something like that somebody carved. Yeah, 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:19.160 I think there's another thing that you start and I 1:19:19.240 --> 1:19:21.519 see this like not even like I see this just 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:23.160 this is just on the end of all time, like 1:19:23.280 --> 1:19:25.679 I see left, just do this or like so like okay, 1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:27.880 so you learn something and then oh it's not true, 1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:31.080 But then people will keep spreading the thing because they'll 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:36.439 say people say, yeah, yeah, well it has more power 1:19:36.840 --> 1:19:38.760 with it, so you're still going to believe it. Yeah, 1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:41.120 Like when we talk about the fact that Will Wheaton 1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:45.160 murdered three people in if you want to this is 1:19:45.200 --> 1:19:50.320 the message like yeah, yeah with a knife, what's horrible. Yeah, Now, 1:19:50.360 --> 1:19:52.000 I mean he was in Thailand at the time, so 1:19:52.080 --> 1:19:54.000 he was able to get out and we don't extra diet, 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:57.080 so he's he's got out Scott free. But yeah, I 1:19:57.160 --> 1:19:58.840 mean like this is like the same this is the 1:19:58.920 --> 1:20:01.120 same thing that Rump does, which we'll talk about it, 1:20:01.160 --> 1:20:03.000 but we'll talk about a bit. It's like if you 1:20:03.000 --> 1:20:05.920 would apeate the thing enough, it becomes true for large 1:20:05.960 --> 1:20:08.599 swats of the population that that's that's that's all truth 1:20:08.640 --> 1:20:12.120 actually needs to be for people. Um, I think I 1:20:12.160 --> 1:20:14.439 think we're gonna go and break uh and come back 1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:17.720 and close us, close us up, and finally finished this 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:25.320 horrible discussion. Um. Anyone know who won't meme fascism? Well, actually, 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:31.599 KFC the have you seen have you seen the KFC 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:37.400 fascist posting on Twitter? There's like a Spanish KFC account 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:40.439 that has been doing that that is up to some ship. Yeah, 1:20:42.479 --> 1:20:44.800 I hate I hate that. That's a sentence that that 1:20:45.240 --> 1:20:54.439 that you got to say, just products and we are back. 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:59.080 I have finished an entire dark meat bucket and I 1:20:59.160 --> 1:21:04.720 am so full. Um yep, And now I'm sad. I'm 1:21:04.720 --> 1:21:08.120 sad because I'm still thinking of the fascist KFC Twitter account. Um, 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:12.920 so we we The other thing I want to do, 1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:16.719 want to mention is kind of Trump's own uh power 1:21:16.920 --> 1:21:19.919 of belief kind of idea and how Trump was basically 1:21:20.479 --> 1:21:22.880 using esoteric terms, was able to basically create an alternate 1:21:22.920 --> 1:21:25.840 reality for millions of people to live in. UM. And 1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:27.960 there's really no getting through to them now because they 1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.360 are literally just in a just in a different dimension, 1:21:30.560 --> 1:21:33.519 and there's just there's there's no way to pierce that 1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:36.519 other dimension. They're basically living in just a totally alternate 1:21:36.560 --> 1:21:39.560 reality there. There's there's no use saying that it is 1:21:39.680 --> 1:21:42.479 the one that we live in. UM. So Trump was 1:21:42.520 --> 1:21:44.640 obsessed with a few of these ideas. He's less than 1:21:44.720 --> 1:21:47.120 like the like, He's less interested in like the woo 1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:50.759 and more interested in like the power of positive thinking, 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:54.000 power of your own belief. He grew up in a 1:21:54.120 --> 1:21:58.240 movement and a specific stuff. Yeah, he grew up following 1:21:58.280 --> 1:22:00.560 a specific movement and church called that falls under the 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:05.760 umbrella called New Thought UM, which is where Trump's you know, 1:22:06.800 --> 1:22:10.960 Trump's like like how strong Trump's ego is comes from 1:22:11.000 --> 1:22:14.000 this idea of that you need to reinforce yourself and 1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:16.960 reinforce your own victories because if you do that, you're 1:22:17.080 --> 1:22:20.360 gonna you're you're gonna find them, right if if you're 1:22:20.360 --> 1:22:22.519 looking for you're gonna find it. If you're looking for 1:22:22.600 --> 1:22:25.360 your own victories, you're going to force them to happen, um, 1:22:25.680 --> 1:22:28.680 even if they don't happen into other people. Right. But 1:22:28.880 --> 1:22:33.040 like so that we see this happening successfully with the election, 1:22:33.360 --> 1:22:36.640 we see both like all of the meming, everything that 1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:40.320 happened in twenty in the TRUSTe election worked for Trump UM. 1:22:40.479 --> 1:22:42.439 And you know, you know, of course, of course he 1:22:42.479 --> 1:22:44.479 didn't win the popular vote, but that doesn't actually matter, 1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:47.240 but it worked into in getting him to office. Now 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:52.880 it you know, it worked less well for the election um, 1:22:53.320 --> 1:22:58.519 but still his reassertions that he won still gave us 1:22:58.640 --> 1:23:01.360 a lot of real world for salts like the January 1:23:01.479 --> 1:23:04.960 six Capital insurrection. So like it's this right, so this 1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:07.120 type of idea that if you re if you if 1:23:07.160 --> 1:23:10.000 you reinforce this thing, if you reinforce this belief, if 1:23:10.000 --> 1:23:12.559 you can, if you have if you have this idea 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:15.200 and you keep putting it out into the world, it's 1:23:15.200 --> 1:23:18.719 going to manifest some type of real, real world result. 1:23:19.240 --> 1:23:22.200 And that that was January six, That's what that was. 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:26.320 And and that's the kind of the world we live 1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:29.200 in now. It's like the weaponized unreality world where people 1:23:29.360 --> 1:23:31.400 because of how media works because are the Internet works, 1:23:31.400 --> 1:23:35.960 They're able to create this like chaotic like like sphere 1:23:36.160 --> 1:23:40.479 of energy and ideas that can like spread so much 1:23:40.560 --> 1:23:43.280 faster than anything used to be. That could everyone can 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:46.360 segment their own reality into two degrees that we've never 1:23:46.439 --> 1:23:50.120 really seen before because of how fast information can travel. Now, um, 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:54.720 it is, it is it is a new it's it 1:23:54.880 --> 1:23:57.040 is a relatively new thing. The way that the way 1:23:57.080 --> 1:23:59.920 that this this this can operate so like memes, memes 1:24:00.040 --> 1:24:02.519 themselves like Pepe and all this kind of stuff undoubtedly 1:24:02.600 --> 1:24:04.639 had had an impact on not only just the twenties 1:24:04.680 --> 1:24:08.240 sixteen election, but just the entire political climate surrounding the 1:24:08.320 --> 1:24:11.559 whole Trump presidency. Uh. Now, to the degree to which 1:24:11.600 --> 1:24:14.560 we can credit me magic or the god kick, that 1:24:14.720 --> 1:24:17.519 part is meaningless because because the effect is the same 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:22.280 that like the synchronicities were still experienced and and truth 1:24:22.439 --> 1:24:26.640 is just is just experiential. So it's the beliefs that 1:24:26.720 --> 1:24:30.240 we kind of hold will shape how we experience things anyway, 1:24:30.280 --> 1:24:33.120 and that will experience what the actual truth is. There's 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:35.280 there there is a great Robert Anton Wilson quote that 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:38.320 is like reality is what you can get away with, ye, 1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:43.120 And that's that's like that that like summarizes how Trump 1:24:43.240 --> 1:24:45.240 was able to be so successful is because he was 1:24:45.320 --> 1:24:48.920 able to shape reality. Right. I think me, me and 1:24:49.240 --> 1:24:51.240 me and Chris were talking about this the other day 1:24:51.320 --> 1:24:54.200 about how, Chris, do you want to say the thing 1:24:54.240 --> 1:24:58.800 about like the Democratic Party and Republican Party and how okay, okay, 1:24:58.880 --> 1:25:01.840 So there's there's there's there's thing. And Garrison I think 1:25:01.920 --> 1:25:04.320 was too young for this. But there's a very famous 1:25:04.600 --> 1:25:07.840 thing that that one of the Bushman pedetrician people said 1:25:08.200 --> 1:25:10.840 about how Democrats lived in the reality based community. And 1:25:10.880 --> 1:25:12.640 this this is like a whole thing in the in 1:25:12.680 --> 1:25:14.440 like the two thousands. This is just the Bush administration 1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:16.720 and everyone loses their minds and this is like a 1:25:16.800 --> 1:25:19.519 whole meme of the Democrats that's like, oh, we're the 1:25:19.560 --> 1:25:21.800 reality based community and they're not. But but then this 1:25:21.880 --> 1:25:23.800 is the interesting part. If you look at the second 1:25:23.840 --> 1:25:27.479 part of that quote, right, what he's actually saying is 1:25:27.560 --> 1:25:29.840 that so the Democrats are the reality based community, right, 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:33.719 they they analyze reality. The Republican Party is the party 1:25:33.760 --> 1:25:35.920 that creates reality because of the people in control the empire. 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:38.400 And this is this is what neo conservative this was right, 1:25:38.439 --> 1:25:40.200 and you know The argument here basically is that the 1:25:40.280 --> 1:25:42.720 Democrats are you know, they're always going to be a 1:25:42.720 --> 1:25:45.880 step behind because they're merely analyzing reality, whereas Republicans using 1:25:45.880 --> 1:25:48.400 the powers or of the state to you know, change 1:25:48.439 --> 1:25:52.519 and define it. And this this worked for them, you 1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:54.200 know what. I would argue that this is how they 1:25:54.240 --> 1:25:56.280 came into power, This is how there's this is what 1:25:56.320 --> 1:26:00.400 they're still doing. Yeah. Yeah, why every president since Ronald 1:26:00.479 --> 1:26:03.280 Reagan has just been Ronald Reagan with a mask. Yeah. 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:05.320 But but I think I think there's something very important here, 1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:08.679 specifically about how Bush took off this right, because Bush, 1:26:08.880 --> 1:26:11.920 Bush steals the election, right, Bush does like the thing 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:14.200 that Trump was trying to do is what George Bush 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:16.519 did in two in two thousands, but with a riot, 1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:19.479 just with a very kind of riot. Yeah. But but 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:20.680 this is the thing, the thing, this is the thing 1:26:20.760 --> 1:26:23.400 that Bush and the neo kons understood that the Trump 1:26:23.560 --> 1:26:27.120 is kind of understand but never quite solidified because they're 1:26:27.120 --> 1:26:29.880 not like they're not sort of insider political actors. Which 1:26:29.960 --> 1:26:32.920 is that. Okay, so all of the stuff about saying 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:37.160 something and it becoming real, right, there's there there's sort 1:26:37.160 --> 1:26:39.920 of a limit to this if if you don't have 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:44.479 a gun. Now, if you have a gun, then the 1:26:44.760 --> 1:26:46.760 limits of that are are you know, it's it's you 1:26:46.960 --> 1:26:48.640 can be basically whatever you want because you can just 1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:51.160 you can force everyone else to also accept this as 1:26:51.200 --> 1:26:52.720 reality that you know, this is what the state is. 1:26:53.120 --> 1:26:54.600 Right and there there's there's a whole there's a whole thing. 1:26:54.640 --> 1:26:56.599 This is a couple of performance theory. It's like, yeah, 1:26:56.640 --> 1:26:59.200 so like you you saying the thing makes it so right? Well, 1:26:59.240 --> 1:27:00.479 this is this is what a is. And this is 1:27:00.520 --> 1:27:04.200 how Bush won the election because he, unlike Trump, who's 1:27:04.240 --> 1:27:06.519 people tried to like take power directly about like Stormy 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:09.160 in the Capitol, Bush was smart and Bush was like, 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:11.760 oh okay, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna de clare that 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:13.800 I won the election. And but but but instead of 1:27:13.920 --> 1:27:16.200 like openly doing it right, I'm going to get the 1:27:16.200 --> 1:27:19.120 Supreme Court to declare that I'm president. And you know, 1:27:19.160 --> 1:27:21.360 and this this this requires the Brooks brothers riot stop 1:27:21.439 --> 1:27:23.240 the counts and all the stuff. We were like, you know, 1:27:23.360 --> 1:27:25.880 it's doesn't yeah, yeah, it's great, but it's like it 1:27:25.920 --> 1:27:28.679 doesn't it doesn't matter that, you know, he he didn't 1:27:28.720 --> 1:27:31.120 win Florida. Like if if if if, if, if, if, if, 1:27:31.200 --> 1:27:33.160 the if the votes had actually been counted, he would 1:27:33.200 --> 1:27:36.000 not have won Florida. But because he was able to 1:27:36.080 --> 1:27:37.960 get the courts to say that he was president, he 1:27:38.320 --> 1:27:41.640 was president. And and that's that is the concept of 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:44.080 magic words yep, yep, and this is this is this, 1:27:44.240 --> 1:27:46.280 this is this is all the state is, right, it's 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:48.120 this this this the state is magic with a gun 1:27:48.200 --> 1:27:50.400 behind it. Yeah, it is, yeah, the state of magical 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:52.680 because it's like, yeah, you're right. It's like magic can 1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:54.760 have a hard cap. There's gonna be a certain people 1:27:55.040 --> 1:27:58.400 that you know, with with with Trump's reality altering kind 1:27:58.439 --> 1:28:01.320 of power, there's a certain that there is a hardcap 1:28:01.439 --> 1:28:04.000 on how much that can influence the general population. But 1:28:04.120 --> 1:28:05.960 if you have a gun behind that, that gives us 1:28:06.040 --> 1:28:09.720 so much more enforceable power. And to go back to 1:28:09.840 --> 1:28:12.880 Egyptian mythology, one of the attitudes they had about the 1:28:13.000 --> 1:28:16.640 pharaoh is that reality was whatever the pharaoh declared. Other 1:28:16.840 --> 1:28:19.439 a lot of societies of this idea towards their monarchs, 1:28:19.479 --> 1:28:22.880 and the duty of his people is to make reality 1:28:23.000 --> 1:28:26.640 conform to the Pharaoh's will, and like that's that's what 1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:30.760 the GOP does. Like that always I think I think 1:28:30.800 --> 1:28:34.200 the quote surrounding like, yeah, the Democrats are the reality 1:28:34.240 --> 1:28:36.760 based party because they because they you know, observe it 1:28:37.000 --> 1:28:39.840 except the reality and like and yeah and and like 1:28:39.960 --> 1:28:42.599 and like and like. Libs and Democrats are like yes, 1:28:42.960 --> 1:28:44.880 they like they take this on private, like, yes, we 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:47.880 are rational, we observe reality. Meanwhile the Republicans like, no, 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:50.320 you just observe it, but we can just we can 1:28:50.600 --> 1:28:53.439 create it. I think that is a great example of 1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:57.400 how those two parties operate politically and how like, yes, 1:28:57.520 --> 1:28:59.680 they're both they're both right leading parties. But here's the 1:28:59.720 --> 1:29:02.280 different it's for how they actually operate is that one 1:29:02.320 --> 1:29:05.200 of them is way more passive in their observing of reality, 1:29:05.479 --> 1:29:08.559 and one is is okay with getting their hands dirty 1:29:08.880 --> 1:29:12.960 and actually forcing this type of reality altering changes. I 1:29:13.439 --> 1:29:14.800 will say, I think like one thing to close this 1:29:14.880 --> 1:29:16.720 out is that you know we can we when we 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:18.599 can tie this all the way back to the second 1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:20.120 part of the Duel Power episode, which is that the 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:24.160 Niokonokon project doesn't work, and the reason it doesn't work 1:29:24.400 --> 1:29:27.880 is that you know, they they like they basically they 1:29:27.960 --> 1:29:31.120 lose militarily, and that just that implodes the entire project. 1:29:31.160 --> 1:29:32.840 And so you know, and if if if if you 1:29:32.920 --> 1:29:34.720 look back at like all of this stuff about how 1:29:34.760 --> 1:29:36.280 we can shape reality. We can shape reality, we can 1:29:36.280 --> 1:29:39.880 shape reality. That stopped being true the moment that you know, 1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:43.400 like they lose control of Bosra or like you know, 1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:49.040 all like they when the other people, uh, Soder is 1:29:49.120 --> 1:29:52.080 to be unkillable by all the weapons of Empire. Yeah, yeah, 1:29:52.160 --> 1:29:54.160 it's like you know, and and Sawder and Solder does 1:29:54.240 --> 1:29:56.200 this by like you know, Sauder sets up a bunch 1:29:56.200 --> 1:29:58.160 of baby clinics, right, He's like, here's a bunch of 1:29:58.200 --> 1:30:01.519 clinics here, we we will will give help the pregnant mothers. 1:30:01.720 --> 1:30:03.120 Like you guys really going to shoot us? And you know, 1:30:03.160 --> 1:30:04.680 he builds a militia around this and he's and he's 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:07.080 able to like he's one of the smartest people on 1:30:07.160 --> 1:30:09.840 the planet. He's yeah, and he's not. It's not a 1:30:09.880 --> 1:30:13.920 good guy, but like completely shatter the neo cons like 1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:16.400 they they're dead, Like they don't like that that project 1:30:16.479 --> 1:30:19.840 which was like the culmination of this this incredible like 1:30:20.200 --> 1:30:22.720 that described on electro prodect of Trouble Military project and 1:30:23.000 --> 1:30:25.200 they got their absolute as kick by watch people doing 1:30:25.240 --> 1:30:30.120 dual power. Yep, I think, and I I really, I 1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:32.479 do want to talk more about kind of chaos magic, 1:30:32.600 --> 1:30:36.760 and then there's a lot on the ground, and I think, 1:30:36.800 --> 1:30:38.760 but yeah, I think this is a great interning. How 1:30:38.960 --> 1:30:43.000 the how these concepts overlapped with politics, And I disagree 1:30:43.479 --> 1:30:45.800 on the end of this with one aspect, Garrison, because 1:30:45.800 --> 1:30:49.280 you said their reality can't be pierced, But the ancient 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:52.479 texts speak of a spear that once pierced the side 1:30:52.560 --> 1:30:55.679 of Christ itself, and while Hitler held it, his armies 1:30:55.720 --> 1:30:58.880 were ascended, but it was stolen. And if we can 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:04.280 find the spear, Blonde Sparrison, we can pierce their reality. Hey, 1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:06.519 I have a Fedora, I have a whip. We could 1:31:06.560 --> 1:31:09.360 we all have Fedora's Garrison. Let's do it. Let's go. 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:14.840 We are we are off to find the spear that 1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:17.960 signs us off the sphere of destiny. You can follow 1:31:18.200 --> 1:31:22.559 our adventures on Happened Here pod and media on Twitter. 1:31:23.040 --> 1:31:25.080 Um and yeah, I'm sure we will give you updates 1:31:25.120 --> 1:31:27.720 for our spirit ventures at the pod. Sophie. We need 1:31:27.800 --> 1:31:32.160 half a million dollars to find the spear of destiny. Okay, great, 1:31:33.760 --> 1:31:49.720 see you on the other side. Kill them all. This 1:31:49.800 --> 1:31:52.519 has been it could happen here the show where I 1:31:52.720 --> 1:31:57.600 just kill them all, Garrison and Chris. You want to 1:31:58.520 --> 1:32:02.600 I want to take over? Oh boys, woke up. I 1:32:02.640 --> 1:32:07.160 haven't have coffee yet. That is incredibly spooky. It is spooky. 1:32:07.240 --> 1:32:10.080 You're right, this is true. I didn't realize that until 1:32:10.160 --> 1:32:15.280 Joe's now, but retroactively that makes it fine. Extreme spy. Yeah, 1:32:17.200 --> 1:32:19.639 what are we doing? Who are we? We're we're doing 1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:22.840 We're where it can happen here. We're doing this is 1:32:22.960 --> 1:32:25.639 this is this is a podcast where we talk about 1:32:25.760 --> 1:32:30.200 spooky stuff that happens around Halloween, and today we are 1:32:30.280 --> 1:32:34.320 doing the spookiest thing of all, which will be revealed shortly. 1:32:35.439 --> 1:32:39.800 Oh boy, I hope it's Will Wheaton? Is not what Wheaton? Well, 1:32:39.920 --> 1:32:42.640 unfortunately that's the spookies. I really I really should have 1:32:42.680 --> 1:32:45.080 looked for that tie in because there might be one. 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:50.880 Is a CIA asset we might get there, I don't know. Okay, 1:32:51.120 --> 1:32:52.600 see this is this is I'm hacking a fraud and 1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:57.120 I didn't actually look into this action. Yeah, well we 1:32:57.240 --> 1:33:01.920 missed it. You and most journalists. Yeah, all right, what 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:03.560 are we? What are we doing? What do we do it? 1:33:04.160 --> 1:33:09.160 On June fourteenth, A Rancher named W. W. Mac Brazil 1:33:09.200 --> 1:33:12.160 and his son Vernon with driving across their property when 1:33:12.200 --> 1:33:16.120 they encountered quote a large area of bright wreckage made 1:33:16.200 --> 1:33:19.839 up of rubber strips, tinfoil, and rather tough paper and sticks. 1:33:20.360 --> 1:33:24.960 Yeah me too, Just a regular night in in in Oregon. 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:28.720 But yeah, yeah, well buzzles back in a time where 1:33:28.840 --> 1:33:31.840 people are baffled when weird things happened, instead of going oh, 1:33:31.920 --> 1:33:35.560 it's Tuesday, so oh man, what a time. Yeah, so 1:33:35.640 --> 1:33:38.040 they didn't just go straight to Twitter. No, no, he 1:33:38.280 --> 1:33:40.120 he you know she doesn't. That was actually, you know, 1:33:40.240 --> 1:33:43.439 I kind of like reasonably a reasonably responsible thing to 1:33:43.520 --> 1:33:45.519 do in seven, which is that he spends about a 1:33:45.560 --> 1:33:48.360 week like picking up all of the scraps that he 1:33:48.439 --> 1:33:50.120 can and like putting them in a box, and that 1:33:50.200 --> 1:33:53.800 he drives it to the sheriff, and the sheriff his 1:33:53.920 --> 1:33:57.479 name is George. That says a lot about the difference 1:33:57.600 --> 1:33:59.640 in urgency back then, where it's like, oh, this is 1:33:59.680 --> 1:34:03.400 import I'll spend a week getting everything together off to 1:34:03.439 --> 1:34:07.000 the share. Like before the Internet, you could really afford 1:34:07.080 --> 1:34:11.720 to sit. It was an era in which like if 1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:18.519 you had a busy life, three things happened. Okay, Yeah, 1:34:18.600 --> 1:34:22.640 so so George Wilcox, the sheriff, looks at this and 1:34:22.720 --> 1:34:24.120 it's like, I have no idea what any of this 1:34:24.200 --> 1:34:27.920 crap is, Like, what is happening? So he takes it 1:34:28.080 --> 1:34:33.160 to Roswell Air Force Base for further investigation. Now, Colonel 1:34:33.200 --> 1:34:37.120 Butch Blanche, the commander of Roswell air Fields five O 1:34:37.320 --> 1:34:40.160 nine Composite Group you know send sends a team out 1:34:40.160 --> 1:34:42.920 to analyze the wreckage, which includes an Air Force intelligence 1:34:42.960 --> 1:34:47.360 officer named Major Major Jesse Marcel. Now Marcel gives a 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:50.400 now infamous series of quotes to the media that results 1:34:50.479 --> 1:34:53.760 in the Roswell Daily Record running the sentence quote. The 1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:56.479 Intelligence office of the five O ninth Bombardment Group at 1:34:56.560 --> 1:34:59.680 Roswell Airfield announced that noon that the field has come 1:34:59.680 --> 1:35:04.360 into session of a flying saucer. Now this is the birth. Yeah, 1:35:04.479 --> 1:35:06.680 I mean this, this isn't the birth of modern unphilology, 1:35:06.760 --> 1:35:08.080 but this is, you know this, this is one of 1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:12.479 the most important error events. And the pictures do rule 1:35:12.960 --> 1:35:16.080 all of all of the Rosbelt pictures are super rad 1:35:16.160 --> 1:35:19.000 because it's just random ship in the field, and they're like, 1:35:19.280 --> 1:35:23.639 it's aliens. There's a random ship in the field. Now 1:35:24.360 --> 1:35:25.880 this this is all happening to be just like like 1:35:26.360 --> 1:35:29.040 scattered sort of reports of UFOs that have been cropping 1:35:29.120 --> 1:35:32.599 up throughout the sort of like the post war era. Yeah, 1:35:33.040 --> 1:35:35.360 and the next day, the Air Force releases a statement 1:35:35.520 --> 1:35:37.439 saying there's no flying saucer in the wreckage. Is just 1:35:37.520 --> 1:35:39.920 an air balloon? Is this you know it's it's it's 1:35:39.920 --> 1:35:44.439 just the Yeah. Yeah, so the airport sure air Force 1:35:44.800 --> 1:35:48.559 weather balloon. Yeah, yeah, they're lying. Everyone knows they're lying. 1:35:49.040 --> 1:35:51.960 But this is where things get bad, because when Mark 1:35:52.000 --> 1:35:55.719 Brazil really discovered with something even spookier and more sinister 1:35:55.840 --> 1:35:59.759 an aliens Mark Brazil had discovered was the American military 1:35:59.840 --> 1:36:05.080 and a strio complex out. That's what's really spooky. It's 1:36:05.160 --> 1:36:07.920 it's it's real spooky. It's yeah, we're by by by 1:36:07.960 --> 1:36:10.400 the end of this episode, they will have I had 1:36:10.439 --> 1:36:14.840 to cut two times. They almost killed everyone on Earth. Okay, 1:36:15.160 --> 1:36:17.680 well all right, so we're gonna be judging folks for 1:36:17.760 --> 1:36:20.479 almost killing everyone on Earth, Like you haven't almost killed 1:36:20.479 --> 1:36:23.360 everyone on Earth? Come on, that's true, that's true. Podcasting 1:36:23.920 --> 1:36:26.960 saves me from a little mass distinction of the entire 1:36:27.080 --> 1:36:31.719 human race and will eventually end all life on this planet. 1:36:31.840 --> 1:36:36.679 I believe in podcastings potential to kill absolutely everyone. Yeah, 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:41.200 it's it's great, It's it's a time. It's actually you 1:36:41.280 --> 1:36:43.439 know this part part of this is actually going to 1:36:43.520 --> 1:36:47.160 be about how we get to the point where everyone 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:51.120 is podcasting on the internet. Develt things that that does. 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:55.920 This does absolutely plague in the Swell incident. Yeah, because 1:36:55.960 --> 1:36:58.920 there's a there's a strong line between ship like coast 1:36:58.960 --> 1:37:02.640 to coast f M, the old like conspiracy, you know, 1:37:02.720 --> 1:37:07.519 the precursors to that alien UFO whatever radio shows and 1:37:07.680 --> 1:37:11.040 ship on the on the wide band back in the day, 1:37:11.200 --> 1:37:13.960 and uh in the podcasts where we are right now. Yep, 1:37:14.080 --> 1:37:15.760 it's it's great, it's a it's a good time. We're 1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:18.000 descended from great media. We're going to continue to produce 1:37:18.040 --> 1:37:22.760 green media where totally not just like an extremely a 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:25.880 much larger version of the radio broadcast you get right 1:37:25.920 --> 1:37:28.639 before genocide. That's like, that's not what's happening here. It's 1:37:28.680 --> 1:37:31.200 all in fact good and cool. I mean, this is 1:37:31.280 --> 1:37:35.200 why I tell people to get machetes. It's true that 1:37:35.360 --> 1:37:39.240 was a bad ye made that made that comment. Look, 1:37:39.280 --> 1:37:40.840 we just we just we just we just got to 1:37:40.880 --> 1:37:47.080 make sure only ways to blaze one right ahead. Now 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:49.640 the Air Force is lying out of its ass. But 1:37:49.680 --> 1:37:51.240 the Air Force isn't lying out of its ass because 1:37:51.280 --> 1:37:53.240 they have a flying saucer. The Air Force knows precisely 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:57.040 what they've gotten their hands on here, because the other 1:37:57.080 --> 1:37:59.960 identified flying object that has trashed at Roswell is actual 1:38:00.000 --> 1:38:03.439 really something called Project Mogul. Now to understand Project Mogul, 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:07.200 we need to go back a little bit in the 1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:10.960 US drops to nuclear bombs of Japan. And this does 1:38:11.000 --> 1:38:14.720 a lot of things literally, all of which are bad um. 1:38:14.960 --> 1:38:17.240 And what one of which is that it sets off 1:38:17.600 --> 1:38:19.479 a sort of and it's it sets off, you know, 1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:22.040 the thing that we all live in now, which is 1:38:22.120 --> 1:38:24.240 the nuclear arms race between the U S and the 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:27.080 U S SR, who you know, but pretty quickly after 1:38:27.120 --> 1:38:29.080 World War Two are just bitter enemies. And you know, 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:34.559 by there's just bores raging across the world between Commuist 1:38:34.560 --> 1:38:36.719 anti Comanist forces. This is what's the war in China, 1:38:36.800 --> 1:38:39.479 I mean in Greece, which I think people know. People 1:38:39.640 --> 1:38:41.840 know more about the Chinese of war, people know less 1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:46.840 about Greece. We're just like the British. The British are like, oh, 1:38:46.840 --> 1:38:48.640 the Communis are gonna take power. So they just like 1:38:49.120 --> 1:38:51.320 give all the guns back to the fascists and they 1:38:51.320 --> 1:38:54.599 start doing the Holocaust again, and that you know, sets 1:38:54.600 --> 1:38:58.880 off this own and another civil war there, and you know, 1:38:59.000 --> 1:39:00.960 as as as Europe comes, you know, divided between the 1:39:01.000 --> 1:39:04.160 two great powers, the US becomes increasingly worried about the 1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:07.680 uss are crying acquiring their own nuclear weapons. So to 1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:11.240 detect the potential Soviet nuclear test, the US embarked on 1:39:11.320 --> 1:39:15.479 Project Mogul. Project Mogil sent six and fifty seven foot balloons. 1:39:15.520 --> 1:39:18.240 These are like massive, they're twice the size that's actually 1:39:18.280 --> 1:39:20.679 of liberty. Yeah, those balloons are bigger than a balloon 1:39:20.760 --> 1:39:24.280 needs to be. Yeah, they're they're too large. It's too 1:39:24.360 --> 1:39:28.040 big for balloons. And they so they load these balloons 1:39:28.080 --> 1:39:31.679 with like sensor and listening equipment to like detecting nuclear detonation. 1:39:31.760 --> 1:39:34.800 They like they like float them into the upper jet stream, 1:39:34.800 --> 1:39:36.439 and the jet team like pushed them to Russia. Is 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:39.880 sort of the plan behind it, and this sort of works, 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:42.640 except the Russians don't have nukes yet. So yeah, this, 1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:45.959 by the way, is also why the song Red Balloons 1:39:46.200 --> 1:39:50.360 was not just a banger, but also very realistic, because 1:39:50.560 --> 1:39:52.960 we absolutely could have had a nuclear exchange over some 1:39:53.040 --> 1:39:55.920 fucking balloons. Oh yeah, yeah, actually don't I'm not sure 1:39:55.960 --> 1:40:02.240 there's any direct balloon related near nuclear exchanges in this episode, 1:40:02.680 --> 1:40:06.720 but don't worry. It happen. Yeah, well, you know, and 1:40:07.000 --> 1:40:09.800 what what what it did actually do was, you know, 1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:12.519 set off the modern UFO thing because you know what, 1:40:13.000 --> 1:40:15.320 one of these balloons like fails and it's it's used 1:40:15.320 --> 1:40:22.880 the records around and you know there's yeah, this this, 1:40:24.200 --> 1:40:26.040 you know, this is this. Then you see a bunch 1:40:26.040 --> 1:40:27.760 of the problems that are gonna happen with the rest 1:40:27.800 --> 1:40:31.280 of how the course of UFOs gode because you know, 1:40:31.360 --> 1:40:32.920 you have initially the government's like, we have a flying 1:40:32.960 --> 1:40:35.560 saucer and then they turn around and do this like 1:40:35.720 --> 1:40:39.080 incredibly half ass cover up that like everyone knows is fake. 1:40:40.080 --> 1:40:42.400 And you know, so you know, because Americans are Americans, 1:40:42.479 --> 1:40:44.920 they don't assume that like the US is, you know, 1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:49.920 creating a devastating new surveillance and intelligence program that would 1:40:49.960 --> 1:40:52.760 be used to further total nuclear war. Instead they go, 1:40:52.880 --> 1:40:56.960 it's aliens. Yeah, because we're great at okoins Razor. Yeah, yeah, 1:40:57.000 --> 1:40:59.479 it's it's a time. But I think what's really important 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:02.679 here is that what Brazil had actually made first contact 1:41:02.760 --> 1:41:06.120 with was America's new thermal nuclear monarchy. And this is 1:41:06.160 --> 1:41:08.439 something that I think more people should talk about, which 1:41:08.479 --> 1:41:14.800 is that having nukes just as a thing massively centralizes 1:41:14.840 --> 1:41:17.400 power into sort of individual people into the executive branch. 1:41:17.520 --> 1:41:20.080 Because you know, so if you have nuclear weapons, right, 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:21.639 the theory is that you have to have one person 1:41:21.720 --> 1:41:23.840 who presses the button to shoot them, and you can't 1:41:23.920 --> 1:41:27.200 have like, you know, there's not enough time for like 1:41:27.320 --> 1:41:29.240 a parliament or delivered or body to like set the 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:35.000 dukes off. And so this becomes this rationale for enormously 1:41:35.040 --> 1:41:38.800 centralizing the powerty executive branch. And this this produces an 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:43.000 absolutely terrifying new wage of state secrecy, filled with increasingly 1:41:43.080 --> 1:41:46.320 powerful and clandestine government agencies and bureaucracies, ranging from the 1:41:46.400 --> 1:41:49.920 CIA are good friends to the much lesser known Atomic 1:41:50.080 --> 1:41:54.400 Energy Commission, and these agencies the power of their secrecy 1:41:54.520 --> 1:41:57.519 is so strong that, I mean by the es Atomic 1:41:57.640 --> 1:42:01.640 Energy Commissions like successor agency, it decides that they can 1:42:01.720 --> 1:42:04.600 keep secrets from the president on the basis that the 1:42:04.640 --> 1:42:09.440 president does not need to know, which is absolutely horrifying. 1:42:10.439 --> 1:42:13.560 Well yeah, I mean, look, it's just you've got a democracy, 1:42:13.760 --> 1:42:15.960 and that's going to be a problem because in a democracy, 1:42:16.120 --> 1:42:20.280 people presumably get to make choices, and if you don't 1:42:20.360 --> 1:42:24.120 want them to decide not to continue making weird ship 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:27.320 to throw into the sky, then you know why, you 1:42:27.400 --> 1:42:30.120 probably should just not tell anybody anything. Yeah. Well, and 1:42:30.160 --> 1:42:33.640 that that particular story is also grim I it's one 1:42:33.720 --> 1:42:36.000 thing that was debating covering they're they're covering up the 1:42:36.080 --> 1:42:39.160 fact that they deliberately poisoned enormous like hundreds and hundreds 1:42:39.200 --> 1:42:42.479 of people with radiation to do human testing on them. Yeah, 1:42:43.760 --> 1:42:45.840 it doesn't need to know this, like it doesn't need 1:42:45.880 --> 1:42:49.160 to know about you know. I mean it's like we 1:42:49.280 --> 1:42:51.800 don't tell Sophie guys. A lot of the things that 1:42:51.920 --> 1:42:55.440 we do with our budget. Um, like when we irradiated 1:42:55.479 --> 1:42:59.360 all those people for a podcast, we're we're still not 1:42:59.520 --> 1:43:02.439 telling Opie that. Yeah, it could happen here. Black budget 1:43:02.479 --> 1:43:06.200 will remain secret. Yeah, it is a lot of money. 1:43:06.800 --> 1:43:10.680 Please continue. Now, all of the secrecy around this and 1:43:10.720 --> 1:43:13.439 the fact that these cover ups are like the most 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:16.759 half asked ship anyone has ever seen, you know, it continue. 1:43:16.800 --> 1:43:19.679 It fuels his rampant speculation around UFOs and the conspiracy 1:43:19.720 --> 1:43:21.720 theorists are also aided by the fact that people keep 1:43:21.800 --> 1:43:25.080 seeing weird flying objects. Sure do we love we love 1:43:25.200 --> 1:43:27.400 to see weird ship in this guy we are very 1:43:27.479 --> 1:43:30.439 good at it. Yeah, it's we're we're incredible. It's it 1:43:31.040 --> 1:43:34.000 And this guy is full of weird. It's true. I 1:43:34.040 --> 1:43:40.719 saw crow the other day anyway. Yeah, in in hundreds 1:43:40.760 --> 1:43:43.639 of people start who are on airplanes start seeing these 1:43:44.479 --> 1:43:48.040 just enormous flaming crosses flying in possibly high and possibly 1:43:48.080 --> 1:43:53.840 fastened the sky and publicly KKs gained space flight. It's 1:43:53.920 --> 1:43:58.880 it's worse than that. It's it's the people. The people 1:43:58.960 --> 1:44:02.280 doing this are worse than the AKA, which is what 1:44:02.680 --> 1:44:05.960 what a sentence? It's great, it's yeah. So so you know, 1:44:06.320 --> 1:44:08.719 in public, the U S. Governments like whatever, these aren't 1:44:08.760 --> 1:44:11.720 a thing, they're fake whatever their mediological dis services. Uh. 1:44:11.960 --> 1:44:14.479 In private, the passengers who are on these jets that 1:44:14.520 --> 1:44:16.680 that see these flaming crosses are all detained by the 1:44:16.760 --> 1:44:19.600 FBI and sworn to secrecy after providing accounts of what 1:44:19.640 --> 1:44:23.040 they'd seen. Awesome and yeah, and this this is also 1:44:23.160 --> 1:44:25.760 part of the surf uf oil mythology. And this does 1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:28.559 actually happen, like that, the FBI does actually show up 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:30.760 to these people. Well, that's who you send in when 1:44:30.800 --> 1:44:33.519 you want people to stop wondering if something shady is 1:44:33.560 --> 1:44:36.000 going on. Yeah, yeah, it's I hear the FBI is 1:44:36.080 --> 1:44:38.639 telling people to shut up about something. I think, well, 1:44:38.680 --> 1:44:40.800 that's not worth looking into it all. When you have 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:44.080 five men in suits and sunglasses show that you talk 1:44:44.120 --> 1:44:46.880 about something, you know, that means everything is fine and normal. 1:44:48.080 --> 1:44:49.720 You know what I don't think of when I think 1:44:49.760 --> 1:44:54.200 of the FBI UFO cover ups. It's great. Yeah, this 1:44:54.360 --> 1:44:57.000 is this is this is America's first contact with yet 1:44:57.040 --> 1:45:00.799 another new part of his clandestine military military bureaucracy. Area 1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:06.840 fifty one. Area fifty one is a secret military aeronautics 1:45:06.880 --> 1:45:09.680 research and development facility built on a salt flat called 1:45:09.800 --> 1:45:13.320 Lake Groom inside the massive Nevada Test and Training Range. UM. 1:45:13.720 --> 1:45:15.640 This place, by the way, this place is massive. This 1:45:15.720 --> 1:45:17.360 place is like the size of connect Like it's like 1:45:17.439 --> 1:45:20.360 larger than Connecticut. It's larger than than most of the 1:45:20.400 --> 1:45:23.720 Eastern State. Yeah, it's enormous. And but you know it's 1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:25.280 something I think it's very interesting about this is that 1:45:25.360 --> 1:45:28.040 for all it's mystique. Area fifty one is not the 1:45:28.040 --> 1:45:30.479 most dangerous facility on the Nevada Tests and Training right now, 1:45:30.560 --> 1:45:33.120 that's there fifty two, the sub level below where they 1:45:33.240 --> 1:45:36.360 store the real weird ship. Yeah, okay, so I watched 1:45:36.560 --> 1:45:38.280 I watched a few YouTube videos. I think I know 1:45:38.360 --> 1:45:40.519 what I'm talking about. Well, definitely, so that we are 1:45:40.600 --> 1:45:44.280 actually going to get to area all right. Yeah, Well 1:45:44.720 --> 1:45:48.639 the thing, the thing that's actually really dangerous is areas twelve, nineteen, 1:45:48.680 --> 1:45:52.920 and twenty because that's the Nevada areas. Do these motherfucker's 1:45:53.000 --> 1:45:57.519 names there? All these things? Yeah, all the others because 1:45:57.560 --> 1:45:59.479 I mean this this this is like a state sized 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:03.360 like testing facility, right, Okay, they get all these fucking areas, 1:46:03.439 --> 1:46:06.720 but the branch Davidians have one compound where they don't 1:46:06.840 --> 1:46:09.920 even do very many illegal things, and suddenly it's a problem. 1:46:10.200 --> 1:46:13.560 Here's the thing. Let's Swans never had nukes, and that 1:46:13.680 --> 1:46:18.080 that that that could could you imagine though pretty amazed. 1:46:18.400 --> 1:46:21.600 You know what if they'd had nukes about like a D, 1:46:21.760 --> 1:46:27.360 people would still be alive maybe or everyone would be dead. Yeah, 1:46:27.439 --> 1:46:30.320 that's the two. A D people would be alive or 1:46:30.360 --> 1:46:35.400 everyone on Earth would be did so. Area fifty one 1:46:35.640 --> 1:46:37.680 is the partner of the Nevada Test Site, which which 1:46:37.720 --> 1:46:40.080 is areas twelve, nineteen and twenty, and that's where the 1:46:40.120 --> 1:46:42.559 real dangerous ship happens, which is the US test nuclear 1:46:42.600 --> 1:46:47.080 weapons there. Okay, but we need to make it clear 1:46:47.160 --> 1:46:50.519 at the outset we should not be underestimating Area fifty one. 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:53.120 That place has done irreparable harm to the cause of 1:46:53.160 --> 1:46:55.360 world peace and very nearly like cause us all to 1:46:55.400 --> 1:46:59.800 go extinct several times. So do not underestimate the power 1:47:00.080 --> 1:47:05.200 of of of military spy airplanes yeah, can lead us 1:47:05.200 --> 1:47:08.920 all destruction. Are honestly, way more, way, more spooky than 1:47:08.920 --> 1:47:13.960 any little gray creatures at large. Different various planes just 1:47:14.200 --> 1:47:16.800 with cameras on them have gotten us closer to the 1:47:16.920 --> 1:47:20.040 extermination of all life on Earth than basically anything else, 1:47:23.240 --> 1:47:26.479 except for that one computer buck that the Russians had 1:47:26.680 --> 1:47:29.679 that would have killed us all if not for Petrov 1:47:29.720 --> 1:47:31.280 I think his name is, I forget his last name, 1:47:31.360 --> 1:47:33.120 that one guy who was like, we're not going to 1:47:33.200 --> 1:47:35.400 have a nuclear war right now. Well, there's there's a 1:47:35.479 --> 1:47:37.960 lot this is. This is weirdly the Soviets come out 1:47:38.000 --> 1:47:42.160 looking like yeah, so yeah, It's like every every time 1:47:42.240 --> 1:47:44.559 there's almost a nuclear war, it's like it doesn't happen 1:47:44.640 --> 1:47:47.120 because the Soviets are like, no, and the Americans are like, 1:47:47.280 --> 1:47:52.240 we want this war and the like when it comes 1:47:52.320 --> 1:47:56.120 to atomic apocalypse stories, if you, if you, if you 1:47:56.280 --> 1:47:58.880 tally up all the columns, because the Soviets definitely have 1:47:58.960 --> 1:48:01.439 a few in their side, but it winds up way 1:48:01.520 --> 1:48:04.120 more fucked up nuke incidents on the U S side 1:48:04.160 --> 1:48:06.880 of things than the Soviet side of things. Although there 1:48:07.000 --> 1:48:09.040 wasn't that time they built a bomb so big that 1:48:09.120 --> 1:48:11.200 it might have changed the tilt of the earth if 1:48:11.240 --> 1:48:14.200 they and at the last moment they were like, let's 1:48:14.240 --> 1:48:16.360 take half of the desile material out of this. This 1:48:16.439 --> 1:48:22.800 seems like a bad idea. It's it's great, yeah, so 1:48:22.960 --> 1:48:27.240 so speak speaking of bad ideas involving in involving nuclear weapons. 1:48:27.840 --> 1:48:31.600 So oh no, I not thought that you're doing a 1:48:33.600 --> 1:48:37.360 yeah speaking speaking ideas. You know what else will change 1:48:37.400 --> 1:48:41.919 the tilt of the earth, the products and services, their quality. 1:48:43.000 --> 1:48:48.720 It's so intent that it's like the Czar bomba it 1:48:48.880 --> 1:48:54.320 is just like that explosive potential. Yeah. Area fifty one 1:48:54.439 --> 1:48:57.639 was founded in nineteen fifty one by the Atomic Energy Commission, 1:48:58.040 --> 1:49:00.679 a federal agency established as a success to the mother 1:49:00.760 --> 1:49:05.000 of all black projects, the Manhattan Project. Now black projects 1:49:05.040 --> 1:49:07.759 are secret off the books military defense projects, the existence 1:49:07.760 --> 1:49:10.200 of which are kept secret even from Congress, which is 1:49:10.280 --> 1:49:12.120 a totally cool and normal thing to have in a 1:49:12.200 --> 1:49:16.759 democracy when you're representative body does not know what anyone 1:49:16.840 --> 1:49:20.720 else what the military is doing. Now every fifty one 1:49:21.160 --> 1:49:23.759 is interesting because it's it's basically like a black project 1:49:23.800 --> 1:49:26.720 of a black project. It's so secret that like the 1:49:26.920 --> 1:49:30.400 Vice President lb J, who is like not a funk 1:49:30.439 --> 1:49:34.680 off vice president, right, this is lb J, Like lb J, 1:49:36.040 --> 1:49:39.479 He's he's like type yeah, yeah, and she's also gonna 1:49:39.479 --> 1:49:42.240 show up the story briefly. But yeah, like even he 1:49:42.439 --> 1:49:44.719 didn't actually really know what was going on there until 1:49:44.880 --> 1:49:47.960 like after JFK was assassinated. So this this place is 1:49:48.000 --> 1:49:52.040 really secret, and as best we can tell, in its 1:49:52.080 --> 1:49:56.040 first four years, it was essentially the Atomic Energy Commission. 1:49:57.040 --> 1:50:00.920 I basically wanted to play to do off the books 1:50:01.000 --> 1:50:04.519 like pilot and aircraft testing, and they were able to 1:50:04.560 --> 1:50:06.439 do this successfully that like we basically don't know what 1:50:06.560 --> 1:50:10.439 they did for four years. But yeah, but but but 1:50:10.479 --> 1:50:13.080 in NETE five, the facility has taken over by an 1:50:13.160 --> 1:50:18.799 even spookier organization, the Central Intelligence Agency, our our old friends. 1:50:21.000 --> 1:50:23.519 Now that the CIA. You know, this is this nine 1:50:24.200 --> 1:50:26.439 and the CIA has spent the early years of the 1:50:26.520 --> 1:50:29.479 Cold War getting just it's absolute ass handed to it 1:50:29.560 --> 1:50:31.720 in Europe because you know, this is what happens with 1:50:31.800 --> 1:50:34.439 a bunch of different Harvard grads in like yeah, because 1:50:34.439 --> 1:50:37.439 the people with acid and that's all they're doing. Yeah yeah. 1:50:37.439 --> 1:50:40.559 But the problem, so they're running into a real intelligence agency, 1:50:40.560 --> 1:50:42.760 which is the KGB, who like, like those guys do 1:50:42.920 --> 1:50:46.280 not look around. They don't just poison people with acid. 1:50:46.360 --> 1:50:49.679 They they they're they they're they're much much more intense 1:50:49.800 --> 1:50:52.680 than than the early fifties the CIA. Yeah yeah, and 1:50:52.760 --> 1:50:54.400 so and so they have this real problem which is 1:50:54.520 --> 1:50:58.760 that they the CIA basically can't get intelligence out of 1:50:59.200 --> 1:51:02.360 Eastern Europe, which is bad when your whole, like your 1:51:02.520 --> 1:51:06.519 entire like state is based off of like fighting Eastern Europe. 1:51:06.600 --> 1:51:09.000 So this kind of your main target. Yeah. Yeah, So 1:51:09.080 --> 1:51:12.320 the solution is to fly a plane really high over 1:51:12.439 --> 1:51:17.920 Russia and uses to take pictures. Yeah, like I think 1:51:17.960 --> 1:51:20.240 like this sounds like I think kind of banal to 1:51:20.360 --> 1:51:23.160 us in twenty one century, where like this is this 1:51:23.360 --> 1:51:25.400 is like this is like this is like pre satellite 1:51:26.000 --> 1:51:28.439 yeah yeah, and and and you know, like like we 1:51:28.640 --> 1:51:30.360 were all just sort of used to the fact that 1:51:30.479 --> 1:51:32.479 like the government is buying on us at all times. 1:51:33.040 --> 1:51:35.519 We are. But you know, in in in the nineteen 1:51:37.080 --> 1:51:39.639 this is incredibly radical. Like the the US, the US 1:51:39.800 --> 1:51:43.160 has only had intelligence agencies for like ten years, and 1:51:43.479 --> 1:51:46.560 there there is no precedent at all. There's none, no 1:51:46.720 --> 1:51:49.360 precedent for flying surveillance over a country you aren't actively 1:51:49.439 --> 1:51:52.160 at war with, Like the only reason you fly airplane 1:51:52.160 --> 1:51:54.960 over countries if you're about to bomb them. People should 1:51:55.040 --> 1:51:57.320 note also that like the first ten years or so 1:51:57.520 --> 1:52:00.960 that we had an intelligence industry, every single or that 1:52:01.040 --> 1:52:04.759 we had an intent like intelligence agencies, every single vote 1:52:05.000 --> 1:52:08.000 for funding them, every single like vote for giving them 1:52:08.080 --> 1:52:12.080 new powers was like universally supported by both parties. There 1:52:12.160 --> 1:52:15.120 was there was zero dissent about whether or not we 1:52:15.120 --> 1:52:16.920 should have a c I A and they should have 1:52:17.000 --> 1:52:19.280 a giant black budget to do all sorts of scary 1:52:19.280 --> 1:52:22.040 ship that might provoke a nuclear war. People are just like, well, 1:52:22.040 --> 1:52:24.840 of course it's really bad, and I think this is 1:52:24.920 --> 1:52:27.200 this is you know, this is what Area fifty one 1:52:27.240 --> 1:52:30.320 actually is. The Area fifty one is the place where 1:52:30.439 --> 1:52:33.800 the development is that the permanent intelligent industrial complex is 1:52:34.600 --> 1:52:39.960 permanently solidified. And this all starts with the you two. Now, 1:52:40.200 --> 1:52:44.000 the CIA brings in Lucked Martin and a little known 1:52:44.120 --> 1:52:47.200 but very powerful and influential defense contractor called E. G 1:52:47.400 --> 1:52:50.400 and G. Who I mean, they do a lot of stuff, 1:52:50.560 --> 1:52:53.080 but that's such a defense contractor. Yeah, it's it's it's 1:52:53.080 --> 1:52:55.360 it's like it's the ultimate defense contraatractual name and nobody 1:52:55.439 --> 1:52:57.960 knows who they are because they make like cameras and 1:52:58.160 --> 1:53:01.160 like film equipment and stuff. But like, you know, so 1:53:01.280 --> 1:53:03.439 these are the people who like made the cameras that 1:53:03.439 --> 1:53:07.280 could take pictures of yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and you 1:53:07.320 --> 1:53:09.240 know and so and so the CIA brings them all 1:53:09.280 --> 1:53:11.479 to this like remote testing Rage in Nevada to work 1:53:11.520 --> 1:53:14.439 in a secret project called Dragon Lady. Now in its 1:53:14.439 --> 1:53:16.680 early stages are fifty one is so secret that like 1:53:16.840 --> 1:53:19.840 even the Air Force doesn't know about it. And this 1:53:20.120 --> 1:53:23.320 like really pisces off the Air Forces senior senior generals, 1:53:23.560 --> 1:53:25.280 in particular a guy who was going to become very 1:53:25.320 --> 1:53:29.519 important to the story, Air Force General Curtis LeMay, who 1:53:30.479 --> 1:53:35.400 like that man like that. I I don't say this 1:53:35.520 --> 1:53:38.599 very often about historical figures, but like if someone had 1:53:38.600 --> 1:53:42.080 assassinated General Curtis lemaid. The world like we would like 1:53:42.200 --> 1:53:45.599 the amount safer that the world would have been described 1:53:45.680 --> 1:53:49.559 the architects of saturation bombing started in World War Two 1:53:49.720 --> 1:53:54.760 and continuing. Uh and from up to now we didn't stop. 1:53:55.000 --> 1:53:57.559 And that is that is not the worst thing he's 1:53:57.600 --> 1:54:02.240 involved in. Yeah, now, but in Lomay is extremely piste 1:54:02.280 --> 1:54:05.400 off that the CIA doesn't tell about this, and he's 1:54:05.439 --> 1:54:08.000 going to remember that that's gonna become important later in 1:54:08.080 --> 1:54:10.599 this story. But eventually the CIA is forced to bring 1:54:10.680 --> 1:54:12.719 the Air Force into Area fifty one for a number 1:54:12.760 --> 1:54:15.920 of reasons, partially because they're flying airplanes, and partially because 1:54:15.960 --> 1:54:17.479 the YouTube is like kind of a piece of ship, 1:54:18.400 --> 1:54:20.479 you know, and part of it Okay, so they're learning 1:54:20.560 --> 1:54:22.760 how to fly planes really high for the first time, 1:54:23.479 --> 1:54:26.479 but you know the YouTube, if you fly it too slowly, 1:54:26.560 --> 1:54:28.200 it's stalls, which is like, okay, that's kind of a 1:54:28.240 --> 1:54:31.840 normal airplane. The you the YouTube is an amazing aircraft 1:54:31.920 --> 1:54:35.960 because it just is the most absurd pieces of aviation 1:54:36.040 --> 1:54:39.320 equipment ever designed, and like watching those things take off 1:54:39.440 --> 1:54:41.720 and land is the most funny thing on that's wild. 1:54:41.800 --> 1:54:44.680 Like and the other problem is like, as a stalling problem, 1:54:44.720 --> 1:54:46.240 but also has the problem if you fly it too 1:54:46.360 --> 1:54:52.080 fast the wings will fall off, Okay, which the plane, Chris, 1:54:52.640 --> 1:54:56.520 It's so it's so massive and so fragile. The wings 1:54:56.560 --> 1:54:59.400 are so heavy and so large. It's one of the 1:54:59.480 --> 1:55:04.080 most ridiculous pieces of equipment ever designed. It's it's it's incredible. 1:55:04.760 --> 1:55:06.840 So yeah, so that the CIA needs helped to get 1:55:06.880 --> 1:55:08.480 the sting working. And so the result is at Area 1:55:08.560 --> 1:55:11.040 fifty one at this point is is staffed by about 1:55:11.040 --> 1:55:13.200 it's one third CIA, one through an air Force, and 1:55:13.240 --> 1:55:16.600 one third Lucky Martin. What a what a combination these 1:55:16.640 --> 1:55:20.600 are the god, can you imagine that cafeteria, the conversations. 1:55:21.760 --> 1:55:23.200 It's wild too, because it's like because you have a 1:55:23.240 --> 1:55:25.160 bunch of just like spooks, right, it's a bunch of 1:55:25.200 --> 1:55:27.080 just like people. And then there's just like a bunch 1:55:27.120 --> 1:55:30.840 of test pilots who are like just nuts and have 1:55:31.000 --> 1:55:34.160 been like a bunch of like people who are like 1:55:34.400 --> 1:55:37.560 genuine war heroes who like fought in World War two 1:55:37.640 --> 1:55:39.760 but then went turned around and like it did horrible 1:55:39.760 --> 1:55:47.480 war crimes and like Koreas like Tom Cruise from Top 1:55:47.560 --> 1:55:52.080 Gun but with horrible PTSD and Michael Douglas from falling down. 1:55:52.280 --> 1:55:54.400 But he hasn't picked up a gun yet. We can 1:55:54.480 --> 1:55:56.640 we can, we can mention this now. So top the 1:55:56.720 --> 1:56:00.960 reason that top Gun exists is actually also area fifty one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:56:00.960 --> 1:56:04.960 because at one point the US, like so the Israeli's 1:56:05.480 --> 1:56:09.560 managed to convince I it was three pilots to defect, 1:56:10.000 --> 1:56:11.720 and then they gave the airplane to the US, and 1:56:11.760 --> 1:56:13.280 so the US spent a bunch of time like flying 1:56:13.320 --> 1:56:16.280 this big twenty three around and figuring out how it worked. 1:56:16.280 --> 1:56:18.640 And that's how they like trained, they basically trained other 1:56:18.680 --> 1:56:20.640 pilots because they suddenly do how the bigs worked, and 1:56:20.680 --> 1:56:22.680 that's that's the origin of the top Gun program. But 1:56:22.760 --> 1:56:25.760 then also hilariously that the Biggs got their revenge when 1:56:25.800 --> 1:56:27.640 when an Air Force general whose name is whose name 1:56:27.680 --> 1:56:28.960 is I am not making this up. His name is 1:56:29.000 --> 1:56:32.040 General Bond and he was like he's like, shows up 1:56:32.040 --> 1:56:33.360 the air he wanted like I want to fly, I 1:56:33.400 --> 1:56:36.680 want to fly and make eighteen and they're like and 1:56:36.720 --> 1:56:38.120 then he just flew it into a mountain and died, 1:56:38.640 --> 1:56:47.320 which well, alright, yeah, we have turned my opinion. Yeah 1:56:47.520 --> 1:56:52.080 he was, which is like a really that is the 1:56:52.160 --> 1:56:55.120 fast difficult to control plane. Just that rules. That rules 1:56:55.240 --> 1:56:59.280 so hard. I see, I was you just completely changed 1:56:59.320 --> 1:57:02.880 my opinion of the man. Yeah, that is that is 1:57:02.960 --> 1:57:06.880 the that is incredibly based. Unfortunately, there's a lot of 1:57:07.000 --> 1:57:10.040 other way more depressing plane crashes that happens here. And 1:57:10.800 --> 1:57:12.360 part of the reason it's bad is because so you 1:57:12.400 --> 1:57:14.880 know this, this whole thing is a black trouble. Imagine 1:57:14.920 --> 1:57:19.120 being depressed about anyone they're dying. Oh, it's it's it's 1:57:19.200 --> 1:57:21.080 kind of so there there's a I don't really care 1:57:21.120 --> 1:57:23.480 as much about the people. But like so there's a 1:57:23.560 --> 1:57:26.080 bunch of like fourteen of the people who are flying 1:57:26.120 --> 1:57:28.640 you twos like die and they like they crash into 1:57:28.680 --> 1:57:32.160 a mountain and one of the it's like, but but 1:57:33.160 --> 1:57:35.400 that sucks about it? Is it like like the U. S. 1:57:35.480 --> 1:57:38.200 Government lies to their families for like half a century 1:57:38.240 --> 1:57:41.800 about how they died. It's like, this sucks. But then 1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:44.080 it gets even worse because again this is you know this, 1:57:44.280 --> 1:57:46.520 this is the Black Project of like all black projects, 1:57:47.320 --> 1:57:49.600 and that means that they have a bunch of people 1:57:49.600 --> 1:57:52.600 from Operation paper Clip because again this is a facility 1:57:52.680 --> 1:57:55.480 run by the CIA in the nineteen fifties, and so 1:57:55.960 --> 1:57:59.120 they let these literal not a bunch of literal Nazi. 1:57:59.240 --> 1:58:03.000 Nazi doctors wrote in endurance test on potential YouTube pilots. Now, 1:58:03.160 --> 1:58:06.640 these doctors are Nazi concentration camp doctors who had performed 1:58:06.640 --> 1:58:09.640 to horrific human experiments on people in the camps. So 1:58:09.960 --> 1:58:13.080 naturally when they do endurance test, they torture people. So 1:58:13.120 --> 1:58:15.200 they would do things like they would force pilots to 1:58:15.280 --> 1:58:17.640 like hold their arms under ice water for like it's 1:58:17.880 --> 1:58:19.840 me long times. They would draft the chairs just like 1:58:20.360 --> 1:58:22.960 randomly electrocute different parts of their body, and it was like, yeah, 1:58:23.040 --> 1:58:25.160 it's it's a nightmare, Like it's yeah, you know, this 1:58:25.240 --> 1:58:27.440 is what happens when you give the Nazis free reign 1:58:27.600 --> 1:58:30.040 over completely secret testing facility where no one can even 1:58:30.080 --> 1:58:32.280 talk about what people did to them. It's it's great, 1:58:32.360 --> 1:58:35.320 it's great, it's it's this is this is why you 1:58:35.400 --> 1:58:37.840 don't have black projects, because the Nazis wind up in 1:58:37.960 --> 1:58:41.920 charge of them and they torture people. Yeah. I think 1:58:41.920 --> 1:58:43.880 we're pretty we're pretty all on the same page of 1:58:44.000 --> 1:58:50.320 not having really any projects. Now, the CIA has another problem, 1:58:50.360 --> 1:58:52.440 which is which is a much weirder and funnier problem, 1:58:52.440 --> 1:58:56.800 which that people keep seeing their spy planes and so 1:58:56.920 --> 1:58:58.960 part of this is the original you tuos were silver, 1:58:59.400 --> 1:59:02.760 which means that they reflected the sun and then claiming 1:59:02.800 --> 1:59:07.960 cross yeah the first YouTube now because they not that 1:59:08.040 --> 1:59:12.200 all Matt black. Yeah, that's like a chromed a chrome 1:59:12.320 --> 1:59:18.440 doubt too, like yeah, and it's but you know like 1:59:18.560 --> 1:59:20.200 this this this is you know, this causes like a 1:59:20.320 --> 1:59:22.640 huge number of the UFO settings just people seeing this thing, 1:59:22.720 --> 1:59:24.680 and eventually they're like, we have to make this black 1:59:24.760 --> 1:59:29.400 because like having a spy plane that glows in the sun, yes, 1:59:30.840 --> 1:59:34.280 that idea now and worse yet, so you know, you 1:59:34.440 --> 1:59:36.760 two can fly at like sixty feet, which is it's 1:59:36.760 --> 1:59:38.600 way outside the range of anti aircraft guns. It is 1:59:38.720 --> 1:59:42.040 ridiculously how how high that plane can go. But the 1:59:42.120 --> 1:59:44.840 c i A, in their eternal hubris assumes that it's 1:59:44.840 --> 1:59:47.720 also too high for the Soviet radar to work, and 1:59:48.240 --> 1:59:50.800 so what happens instead is that they fly a YouTube 1:59:50.840 --> 1:59:53.320 directly over the Kremlin to like take pictures of Racruse 1:59:53.360 --> 1:59:57.480 Trevis sleeping, and the Soviets just immediately see it and 1:59:57.760 --> 2:00:00.240 they get really piste off because again, like there's no 2:00:00.320 --> 2:00:02.280 precedent for flying a spy plane over a country you're 2:00:02.280 --> 2:00:04.920 not at war. With and they're like, what the funk? 2:00:04.920 --> 2:00:06.440 Why are you flying pains? The problem is that they 2:00:06.520 --> 2:00:08.680 can't actually like shoot them down because the plans too 2:00:08.720 --> 2:00:11.960 high up. So there's some they can just see it. Yeah, yeah, 2:00:12.120 --> 2:00:14.800 and but but the US is like, okay, this is 2:00:14.840 --> 2:00:18.440 not provocative enough, right, like we've we've now flown we've 2:00:18.480 --> 2:00:21.200 now flown planes over the house of like a guy 2:00:21.240 --> 2:00:26.440 who can fire nuclear weapons. That's not enough. That's incredibly funny, 2:00:27.280 --> 2:00:30.160 it is very funny. But they're like the So Curtis LeMay, 2:00:30.480 --> 2:00:37.480 who's anyway, we don't need actions in front of Russian embassies? Continues, 2:00:38.320 --> 2:00:42.560 So Lemmy is this guy, this guy is a threat 2:00:42.600 --> 2:00:45.000 to all humanity, and he has his idea, say, okay, 2:00:45.000 --> 2:00:46.560 he wants to figure out how the he want to 2:00:46.560 --> 2:00:48.960 figures out like how the the USRS bade our as 2:00:49.000 --> 2:00:52.480 system works. And so his plan is he's going to 2:00:52.560 --> 2:00:55.080 get the uss ARE to trigger their radar system. And 2:00:55.240 --> 2:00:57.200 he's going to do this by flying a thousand B 2:00:57.320 --> 2:01:00.520 forty seven bombers over Alaska and fly them like Soviet 2:01:00.560 --> 2:01:02.160 air space and then turn around the moment before they 2:01:02.200 --> 2:01:09.120 get in. Guys, come on, there's other ways to do trolling, 2:01:09.360 --> 2:01:11.800 like you don't know, like, you don't need to risk 2:01:11.840 --> 2:01:17.400 the entire populations. Yeah, you get Garrison. See this is 2:01:17.480 --> 2:01:21.200 why you're not an A level troll. Trolls know that 2:01:21.320 --> 2:01:24.840 if you're not risking the entire future of possibly all 2:01:24.960 --> 2:01:27.800 life in the known universe, then you're just you're not 2:01:27.880 --> 2:01:33.200 even there's other ways to make some friends. Make make 2:01:33.320 --> 2:01:36.280 some friends, and troll your friends. It's not that hard. 2:01:36.520 --> 2:01:40.280 Come on, guys, troll the world by by playing chicken 2:01:40.440 --> 2:01:43.600 with its continued ability to sport any life above the 2:01:43.680 --> 2:01:46.240 microbial level. Like that, I think it's incredile about this 2:01:46.440 --> 2:01:48.760 was the only reason any of this works is that 2:01:48.880 --> 2:01:51.920 the Soviets, Like, Soviets are not good, but Soviets aren't 2:01:51.920 --> 2:01:54.640 who the Americans say they are, Like, you're not. Like 2:01:54.760 --> 2:01:57.160 if if the US had done this against the US, 2:01:57.240 --> 2:02:02.920 everyone on Earth would have gone like yeah in the 2:02:03.000 --> 2:02:05.480 end of it, and and may like you can say, 2:02:05.520 --> 2:02:08.200 is like wholmi is Someone asked him about this afterwards 2:02:08.240 --> 2:02:10.800 and his and he says, anti quote, with a little 2:02:10.840 --> 2:02:13.080 bit more luck, we could have started World War three. 2:02:13.960 --> 2:02:19.040 Oh man, this guy, this guy is a fucking like yeah, yeah, 2:02:19.080 --> 2:02:21.520 they are like that. They are all just like like 2:02:21.640 --> 2:02:23.600 this this is so bad that like the c i 2:02:23.760 --> 2:02:26.280 A sends a panel of like advisers to the President 2:02:26.360 --> 2:02:29.000 telling him that, like, you can't do this again because 2:02:29.040 --> 2:02:32.000 the Soviets will think it's an actual attack. When n 2:02:32.640 --> 2:02:35.240 is calling you out, then yeah, I think it's time 2:02:35.280 --> 2:02:38.320 to it's time to wrap up shop. Yeah, we're done. 2:02:39.080 --> 2:02:41.280 And the thing is like this is not the like 2:02:41.360 --> 2:02:44.839 the only just absolutely psychotic thing going on in this period, 2:02:45.280 --> 2:02:50.520 like a round ereaft one. So in seven, the US 2:02:50.600 --> 2:02:54.040 test the first dirty bomb and they really don't know 2:02:54.160 --> 2:02:56.160 what this thing is gonna do. And it's like this 2:02:56.200 --> 2:02:58.480 is extremely danious or detonating a bomb. It spiced plutonium 2:02:58.520 --> 2:03:01.840 if you were but just eight uh, lest you think 2:03:02.000 --> 2:03:04.480 that detonating a dirty bomb was not dangerous enough. In 2:03:05.320 --> 2:03:08.600 they dropped something called the hood bomb. And this bomb 2:03:09.000 --> 2:03:11.440 like the blast this okay, they drop this, brought this 2:03:11.480 --> 2:03:15.960 bomb in Nevada, right, the blast of this bomb blows 2:03:16.000 --> 2:03:19.200 out windows in l A. People people see that this 2:03:19.320 --> 2:03:23.840 is in Nevada. People see the explosion in Canada. Great, 2:03:24.400 --> 2:03:26.280 they see in Mexico, like you can see it from 2:03:26.360 --> 2:03:29.640 eight hundred miles out to see. And the funniest part 2:03:29.720 --> 2:03:32.120 is that it temporarily renders Area fifty one uninhabitable, and 2:03:32.160 --> 2:03:33.680 they forgot to tell the people. And if you want 2:03:33.680 --> 2:03:42.840 to evacuate, that is incredible. Everybody can incredibly. Yeah, and 2:03:42.920 --> 2:03:44.840 then you know the Airty one people still want to 2:03:44.920 --> 2:03:47.520 work there, and so they but this is like before 2:03:47.560 --> 2:03:50.040 they have hassmat suits. So they said, a bunch of 2:03:50.040 --> 2:03:53.040 people in lab coats with like magnets to go collect 2:03:53.160 --> 2:03:59.000 radioactive bomb fragments so people can bring Great, that's extremely fun, 2:03:59.160 --> 2:04:02.400 just killing all of their I have no yeah, I 2:04:02.480 --> 2:04:04.400 have no problems with this. Yeah, and this is fine. 2:04:04.600 --> 2:04:07.120 This is completely fine. We have had probably saved a 2:04:07.200 --> 2:04:10.120 lot of lives, honestly. Yeah. Well, the problem the problem 2:04:10.200 --> 2:04:14.640 is though they they like Area fifty one was allowed 2:04:14.680 --> 2:04:18.480 to resume, and that like very nearly killed us all. Yeah, 2:04:18.520 --> 2:04:21.080 it's been like the more people that die there, if 2:04:21.160 --> 2:04:23.440 you want to get cancer, that probably odds are that 2:04:23.520 --> 2:04:26.960 that contributes to it is it is it is slow death. 2:04:27.040 --> 2:04:30.080 I guess that's what everyone says about radiation poisoning. It 2:04:30.240 --> 2:04:34.840 happens too slowly. Yeah yeah, now, okay, so every fifty ones, 2:04:34.880 --> 2:04:37.400 you two's are like continuing to do flights and pissing 2:04:37.400 --> 2:04:40.400 off the Soviets, but unbeknowns of the Americans, the Soviet 2:04:40.400 --> 2:04:44.960 anti air capacity was rapidly improving, and on Mayday nineteen sixty, 2:04:45.440 --> 2:04:47.920 the US pushes it too far and they send a 2:04:47.960 --> 2:04:50.320 pilot and Gary Powers to fly over the Soviet Union, 2:04:50.360 --> 2:04:52.120 and the Soviets just like shoot the shoot out of 2:04:52.200 --> 2:04:54.720 him and this this is actually this really cute moment 2:04:54.760 --> 2:04:57.000 where like he crashes and he survived and he's found 2:04:57.000 --> 2:04:59.800 by some raid farmer, and the Soviet farmer just like 2:05:00.320 --> 2:05:02.040 it's like, oh hey cool, just like gives them a 2:05:02.080 --> 2:05:04.440 cigarette with Lucky of the Space Dog on it, and 2:05:04.480 --> 2:05:07.360 they have this very nice moment where they smoke a 2:05:07.400 --> 2:05:10.560 cigarette together and then Powers gets arrested by the Soviet 2:05:10.560 --> 2:05:13.880 government and put on show for espionage. Now the interesting 2:05:13.920 --> 2:05:16.200 part about this is that so the US assumes that 2:05:16.240 --> 2:05:18.560 Powers is dead because when they designed the You Tube, 2:05:18.640 --> 2:05:20.640 the CIA was like, oh yeah, if this they didn't 2:05:20.640 --> 2:05:24.320 tell the pilots, but everyone will die. You are done. 2:05:24.560 --> 2:05:26.760 Yeah yeah, It's like, but but you know, Powers lives 2:05:26.800 --> 2:05:29.120 through it, and so they they they the US is 2:05:29.160 --> 2:05:31.760 like claiming on life television that Powers was like, oh, 2:05:31.920 --> 2:05:33.960 this wasn't a spy plane. He was collecting high altitude 2:05:34.000 --> 2:05:38.520 weather data for the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics. This 2:05:38.720 --> 2:05:41.560 lets Krishtchev has like his finest hour here is like 2:05:41.720 --> 2:05:45.280 incredible theatrical moment. He gives this incredible speech that's like 2:05:45.880 --> 2:05:47.880 he's he's like he's like asking like comrads, like what 2:05:48.000 --> 2:05:50.360 what would happen if Soviet planes flew over Detroit and 2:05:50.400 --> 2:05:52.840 immediate war? And he goes on this thing about how 2:05:53.280 --> 2:05:55.480 he's accusing, like he's like, okay, so who who said 2:05:55.480 --> 2:05:56.880 the spy plane? And he's like, well, it couldn't be 2:05:56.920 --> 2:05:59.080 the American people. It must have been the American militarist 2:05:59.160 --> 2:06:02.040 running this biplane uh program without the knowledge of the 2:06:02.080 --> 2:06:05.200 commander in chief. And so the US like keeps denying it. 2:06:05.760 --> 2:06:07.880 And then Kristiev a couple of days later gains this 2:06:07.920 --> 2:06:10.800 another incredible line. I'm gonna quote from this speech because 2:06:10.800 --> 2:06:13.800 it rules comrades. He said, I must let you win 2:06:13.840 --> 2:06:16.080 on a secret. When I made a report two days ago, 2:06:16.160 --> 2:06:18.600 I deliberately refrained from mentioning that we have the remains 2:06:18.680 --> 2:06:21.080 of the plane and we also have the pilot who 2:06:21.160 --> 2:06:24.480 was quite alive and kicking, and the US just like 2:06:24.560 --> 2:06:28.640 it gets owned because safe, Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure 2:06:28.680 --> 2:06:31.720 this day is I'm sure this date isn't thrilled. Oh yeah, 2:06:31.800 --> 2:06:33.840 it's it's like, it's an enormous embarrassment for this and this, 2:06:34.000 --> 2:06:35.680 this is this is a couple of other great lines. So, 2:06:35.760 --> 2:06:38.000 so Gary Powers gets tried for espionage, and there's there's 2:06:38.000 --> 2:06:41.480 this incredible line in this trial where Sergey Rodenko, who's 2:06:41.520 --> 2:06:43.840 this he's an Air Force general and he's also part 2:06:43.880 --> 2:06:46.960 of the trial, and he calls area fifty one quote 2:06:47.040 --> 2:06:52.280 a criminal conspiracy between quote a major American capitalist company, 2:06:52.360 --> 2:06:55.320 an espionage and recconnaissance center, and the military of the US. 2:06:55.680 --> 2:07:02.960 And because this is this literally whatever is um you know, 2:07:03.560 --> 2:07:05.560 but but this is where everything goes to ship because 2:07:06.000 --> 2:07:08.520 there was supposed to be a massive like US ussr 2:07:08.600 --> 2:07:12.440 P summit to like look at the nuclearization uh huh 2:07:12.720 --> 2:07:15.919 yeah yeah, and so and and Christef is like, okay, Eisenhower, 2:07:16.040 --> 2:07:18.600 you you need to apologize for flying spy planes over 2:07:18.680 --> 2:07:23.160 our country. And Eisenhower is like no, and this this yeah, 2:07:23.200 --> 2:07:25.400 the conference is canceled and the world has plunged at 2:07:25.440 --> 2:07:28.880 the mortal peril that will only barely survive and but 2:07:29.000 --> 2:07:32.400 barely I mean it. Oh yeah, we got extremely lucky. 2:07:32.960 --> 2:07:35.400 Um all, all of this basically causes cruise schef to 2:07:35.440 --> 2:07:38.400 like start a military build up in Cuba. And you 2:07:38.480 --> 2:07:40.000 know you can see where this is going. But but 2:07:40.160 --> 2:07:43.360 don't worry less less you think that Area fifty one 2:07:43.480 --> 2:07:45.920 is only indirectly responsible for this. They are in fact 2:07:46.000 --> 2:07:51.200 directly responsible for the Cuban missile crisis. You know they 2:07:51.360 --> 2:07:53.920 they they are fifty one does they did? They do 2:07:54.000 --> 2:07:56.440 a bunch of other stuff that like funk with the Cubans, 2:07:56.440 --> 2:07:57.720 like they have this thing with it. They send in 2:07:57.800 --> 2:08:00.520 pilots like right up the right up to to Cuban 2:08:00.560 --> 2:08:03.000 airspace and like have them basically trade missile locks with 2:08:03.040 --> 2:08:05.560 Soviet pilots so that they can test the Soviets like 2:08:05.920 --> 2:08:09.120 electronic weapons capacity. And it's again cool once again, we 2:08:09.240 --> 2:08:11.520 only didn't die because the Soviets didn't shoot after the 2:08:11.640 --> 2:08:15.320 U S did some like just absolutely we would have 2:08:15.440 --> 2:08:20.960 absolutely shot them. Done. Yeah, if if a MiG had 2:08:21.080 --> 2:08:25.960 buzzed like Washington d C. We would have ended all humanity. Yeah, 2:08:26.200 --> 2:08:28.800 we share would have. They fucking knew that. God. That 2:08:28.880 --> 2:08:31.960 has to be so frustrating. Yeah, Like not a lot 2:08:32.000 --> 2:08:33.720 of sympathy for the U S. S R. In my 2:08:33.800 --> 2:08:36.840 book with just being like, well, this is unacceptable. But 2:08:36.880 --> 2:08:39.600 if we do literally just what they're doing to us, 2:08:40.080 --> 2:08:42.960 and so I guess we have to be chills here, 2:08:43.280 --> 2:08:47.400 it's like yeah, well, and speaking of doing things, there's 2:08:47.400 --> 2:08:50.800 also there's also an incredible Bay of Pigs connection, which 2:08:50.840 --> 2:08:54.200 is that Richard Bassell, who's the guy who did Bay 2:08:54.240 --> 2:08:56.760 of Pigs, was the guy who ran at one. And 2:08:57.600 --> 2:09:00.040 one of the reasons why it fails is that, so 2:09:00.360 --> 2:09:02.960 remember when I talked about how the CIA piste off 2:09:03.160 --> 2:09:06.520 Curtis LeMay by not telling him about everyty one. So, uh, 2:09:07.080 --> 2:09:09.800 the May is supposed to send a bunch of BFTY 2:09:09.840 --> 2:09:11.440 two bombers to support the Bay of Pigs, and he 2:09:11.480 --> 2:09:14.120 doesn't do it. And this defense is that he fucked 2:09:14.200 --> 2:09:16.200 like He's defence is that he sucked up the time zones, 2:09:16.880 --> 2:09:20.440 which I missed. Hey, we've all missed meetings because of that. 2:09:22.200 --> 2:09:25.120 I'm late all the time because the time zones. It's 2:09:25.200 --> 2:09:29.200 that that, you know what, Curtis LeMay did nothing wrong. Yeah, 2:09:30.280 --> 2:09:33.560 it's amazing. And this this causes the cell but it 2:09:33.560 --> 2:09:37.040 doesn't work because it's a cluster fuck and this you 2:09:37.120 --> 2:09:38.880 know this, this causes the cell to get kicked out 2:09:38.920 --> 2:09:41.720 of the security establishment. But it it doesn't stop the 2:09:41.800 --> 2:09:46.000 U S fucking with Cuba. And so we still haven't 2:09:46.040 --> 2:09:49.200 stopped fighting. Yeah, we're like never going to It's it's incredible. 2:09:49.320 --> 2:09:51.000 And and but because this is the time that came 2:09:51.040 --> 2:09:53.960 closest to killing us all, which is that well, Chris, 2:09:54.200 --> 2:09:57.000 you know what will also eventually kill us all products 2:09:57.040 --> 2:10:02.000 and services. That's not even a joke, that's just true. Yeah, 2:10:02.160 --> 2:10:05.520 all of these things that is being sold for fake money. 2:10:06.200 --> 2:10:09.800 So yep, by products. And this is when Garrison goes 2:10:09.840 --> 2:10:15.640 on a rant about Fiat currency. We're back and we're 2:10:15.680 --> 2:10:18.680 talking about the Honda Fiat, which is certainly a car. 2:10:19.280 --> 2:10:21.360 I lost it all. I lost I lost it all 2:10:21.400 --> 2:10:24.440 to Fiat. Please everyone everyone sent me, send me what 2:10:24.560 --> 2:10:26.960 you can. I'll reinvest and give you back your money 2:10:27.000 --> 2:10:30.400 in a few days. You're gonna buy one of those 2:10:30.480 --> 2:10:33.640 fucking one of those eight bit illustration and f T 2:10:33.800 --> 2:10:36.720 s that costs two million dollars, aren't you, Garrison? Oh 2:10:36.880 --> 2:10:41.160 you bet see. I heard. I heard now that they're 2:10:41.200 --> 2:10:44.040 making physical copies. This is a brand new phenomenon, making 2:10:44.160 --> 2:10:46.200 physical versions of an n f T so you can 2:10:46.200 --> 2:10:52.160 actually like have something. Yeah, there is there's nothing else 2:10:52.240 --> 2:10:55.240 like this. It's like art, but you actually can have it. 2:10:55.640 --> 2:11:01.240 It's the first time it's Robert. You guys, you can't. 2:11:01.800 --> 2:11:04.360 You can't tell the public how are how how? How 2:11:04.520 --> 2:11:06.520 how how we funnel all of our money around for 2:11:06.560 --> 2:11:09.000 our black projects. You're not allowed to explain our money 2:11:09.040 --> 2:11:13.160 laundering schemes on air. You know. One one surprising thing 2:11:13.200 --> 2:11:15.560 about all of this, like AIRF one stuff is honestly 2:11:15.880 --> 2:11:22.000 the degree to which the government does not deflect stuff 2:11:22.040 --> 2:11:25.680 by using alien ship more often, because if they were smart, 2:11:26.080 --> 2:11:29.160 they could just use alien ship more often to deflect 2:11:30.080 --> 2:11:33.920 any suspicion about what's actually happening. So they I don't know, 2:11:34.360 --> 2:11:36.080 they go back and so so part of us going 2:11:36.160 --> 2:11:37.800 so they go back and forth on this, and part 2:11:37.840 --> 2:11:41.160 of what's going on is that the CIA, when when 2:11:41.200 --> 2:11:44.000 when people start first reporting UFOs like, they have to 2:11:44.200 --> 2:11:45.760 like concerns, one of which is that it's just going 2:11:45.800 --> 2:11:47.480 to cause panic in the US public and they don't 2:11:47.520 --> 2:11:49.360 want that they're doing this sort of like elite panic 2:11:49.480 --> 2:11:51.800 thing and they're afraid that's going to go insane or whatever. 2:11:52.640 --> 2:11:55.560 But the second thing that they're worried about is that 2:11:55.640 --> 2:11:59.680 they're really concerned that the Soviet Union is going to 2:12:00.680 --> 2:12:02.560 block out the U s IS Early Warning System by 2:12:02.600 --> 2:12:05.280 sending a bunch of a QFO reports, which would be 2:12:05.360 --> 2:12:07.520 very funn Yeah, it would be very funny, but you know, 2:12:07.720 --> 2:12:10.520 but so so they their initial line on UFOs is 2:12:10.600 --> 2:12:12.040 like they're they're trying. They spent a lot of time 2:12:12.040 --> 2:12:14.240 trying to get everyone to like not believe in them, 2:12:14.880 --> 2:12:16.960 because they're like, this is this is treading ast area 2:12:17.000 --> 2:12:19.200 and it's like damaging or early warning capacity because people 2:12:19.280 --> 2:12:21.760 keep reporting and also because people just keep seeing their 2:12:21.800 --> 2:12:26.000 spy planes and so they're just like, guys, there's no UFOs. Yeah, 2:12:26.160 --> 2:12:28.440 we'll we'll get to in a little bit of some 2:12:28.600 --> 2:12:31.400 more about that, because there's a lot of very weird 2:12:31.520 --> 2:12:34.320 stuff going on there. But first we have to almost 2:12:34.400 --> 2:12:36.880 end the world, all right, Let's let's just do that 2:12:36.960 --> 2:12:42.600 at first. And then in six two, the CIA flies 2:12:42.680 --> 2:12:46.600 it flies a YouTube over over Cuba and they get 2:12:46.600 --> 2:12:50.840 a bunch of pictures of nuclear weapons and this this 2:12:51.080 --> 2:12:53.000 is basically the thing that starts to Cuban missile crisis. 2:12:53.080 --> 2:12:55.280 Although I also I also we need to talk about 2:12:55.320 --> 2:12:57.400 LeMay one more time, because before they get these pictures, 2:12:57.440 --> 2:13:01.080 LeMay is convinced there's there's no nukes there, and LeMay 2:13:01.360 --> 2:13:03.480 wants to do a preective strike on Cuba to stop 2:13:03.520 --> 2:13:06.240 the Soviets and bring missiles in, which again literally would 2:13:06.280 --> 2:13:10.120 have killed us. All yeah, yeah, but but let me 2:13:10.200 --> 2:13:12.280 let's make us voted down. So the CIA, you know, 2:13:12.640 --> 2:13:14.680 sends the youtubes in and this this is the thing 2:13:14.720 --> 2:13:18.080 that starts to the starts to Cuban missile crisis. And 2:13:18.120 --> 2:13:20.200 you have the Soviets and Americans like staring each other 2:13:20.320 --> 2:13:24.000 down at sea. And but again because these people are 2:13:24.120 --> 2:13:25.960 just like like because there are if you want people 2:13:25.960 --> 2:13:28.680 to see how people are just nuts, they keep sending 2:13:28.880 --> 2:13:32.160 UFOs and if they keep sending you twos over Cuba, 2:13:32.680 --> 2:13:35.440 and they they're sending youtubos over Cuba, and and the 2:13:35.680 --> 2:13:38.720 Americans like line on the you Tuesday sendiver is if 2:13:38.720 --> 2:13:41.760 they shoot down a YouTube, We're going to invade. And 2:13:41.840 --> 2:13:44.360 so the Soviets actually do shoot shoot down a YouTube. 2:13:44.480 --> 2:13:47.920 But for like the only time ever in history, uh, 2:13:48.120 --> 2:13:50.240 the US is like, wait, maybe we shouldn't end all 2:13:50.480 --> 2:13:54.760 like literally end all humanity, and like we we get this, 2:13:54.840 --> 2:13:59.640 be goet this moment, we're just like, you know, you 2:13:59.760 --> 2:14:01.560 get to actually, so you have all of the like 2:14:01.640 --> 2:14:03.680 just horrific leadership stuff that has got you here, But 2:14:04.000 --> 2:14:06.600 you get a moment where like the soul of humanity 2:14:06.720 --> 2:14:08.920 is tested in like a very small number of people, 2:14:09.120 --> 2:14:11.480 and it's like, if any one of these people on 2:14:11.600 --> 2:14:14.160 either side flinches or like decides that they want to 2:14:14.240 --> 2:14:15.960 end all life on earth, everyone is going to die. 2:14:16.920 --> 2:14:18.720 And for one of like this is you know, this 2:14:18.880 --> 2:14:20.600 is like this is like one of the only times 2:14:21.280 --> 2:14:23.560 ever that it has actually mattered that we're not all 2:14:23.680 --> 2:14:25.680 just like terrible pieces of ship and we didn't do it, 2:14:25.720 --> 2:14:30.280 and we didn't end all humanity, and eventually the whole 2:14:30.280 --> 2:14:34.200 the whole thing is wound down. Alternatively, the people in 2:14:34.360 --> 2:14:37.040 charge realized that if they were doing this, they could 2:14:37.080 --> 2:14:39.640 no longer do whatever fun stuff they didn't their spare time. 2:14:39.680 --> 2:14:41.400 And it's only for selfish reason. Oh yeah, I mean 2:14:41.480 --> 2:14:43.680 because yeah, the lead. Let me say, it's like the 2:14:45.240 --> 2:14:48.280 leaders get no credit here at all. The people who 2:14:48.360 --> 2:14:50.960 do get credit are just like the random assholes on 2:14:51.000 --> 2:14:53.560 a ship who like got sent over to the other 2:14:53.600 --> 2:14:56.000 side of the world and had to just like sit 2:14:56.120 --> 2:14:58.360 there knowing that they could be destroyed in any moments, 2:14:58.560 --> 2:15:03.200 and then didn't panic and held and kept kept everyone 2:15:03.240 --> 2:15:07.080 on Earth from dying by just not just like holding 2:15:07.120 --> 2:15:08.840 it together in a situation that would have just like 2:15:09.080 --> 2:15:13.520 destroyed most people. So so good, good on, good on 2:15:13.800 --> 2:15:15.840 like the Cruise of the Ships for not killing us 2:15:15.880 --> 2:15:23.000 all yeah, yeah, depending on how I feel now, part 2:15:23.080 --> 2:15:26.720 part part of what's happening here is is the you 2:15:26.840 --> 2:15:30.440 tu is getting shot down. It makes the area tript 2:15:30.440 --> 2:15:33.320 to one. People go, we need to build a faster plane. Sure, 2:15:33.760 --> 2:15:35.480 and so there's their solution to this is the A 2:15:35.600 --> 2:15:41.200 twelve ox cart. And the oxcar is interesting because this 2:15:41.400 --> 2:15:43.760 is another thing that everyone thinks is the UFO but 2:15:43.800 --> 2:15:46.240 actually isn't. And I mean there's a very famous UFO 2:15:46.320 --> 2:15:49.440 picture of like one of NASA's like X fifteen rocket jets, 2:15:49.680 --> 2:15:51.680 and in the very like in the very corner of 2:15:51.760 --> 2:15:53.720 this rocket picture of the rocket jet, there's there's an 2:15:53.760 --> 2:15:57.920 A twelve and everyone is like, oh, this is UFO. 2:15:58.040 --> 2:15:59.520 Is the UFON is like, no, it's not, it's this. 2:15:59.680 --> 2:16:03.520 But you know, the CIA keeps doing these like half 2:16:03.560 --> 2:16:05.160 ast cover ups. But like ye, like you can just 2:16:05.240 --> 2:16:07.000 see these out of passenger planes, Like if you're in 2:16:07.040 --> 2:16:08.280 a plane, you just see it. It's like, oh, this 2:16:08.360 --> 2:16:12.120 thing looks like a cigar sleep past, and they they 2:16:12.200 --> 2:16:15.240 do looking they do look incredibly weird. Yeah, it just 2:16:15.320 --> 2:16:19.040 doesn't work. And eventually in the mid sixties, Walter Cronkite 2:16:19.160 --> 2:16:22.120 like goes on TV and tells the American public at 2:16:22.120 --> 2:16:25.480 the CIA have been doing a UFO cover up, which 2:16:25.560 --> 2:16:28.760 is true, but everyone assumes this is about aliens. But 2:16:28.800 --> 2:16:31.080 it's not about aliens. Nothing with aliens. It has everything 2:16:31.080 --> 2:16:32.960 to do with the fact that people keep seeing this biplanes. 2:16:33.640 --> 2:16:35.800 And so the Air Force gets to put in charge 2:16:35.800 --> 2:16:38.280 of an investigation of UFOs. But the problem is that 2:16:38.680 --> 2:16:41.320 only a few top Air Force generals know about the 2:16:41.440 --> 2:16:43.440 A twelve. Yeah, they only a few people know what 2:16:43.440 --> 2:16:45.800 the existence of this aircraft. Yeah yeah, And so the 2:16:45.840 --> 2:16:48.480 low level investigators are like, oh, the Air Force is 2:16:48.480 --> 2:16:50.280 doing a uh cover up, which they are, but they 2:16:50.320 --> 2:16:52.280 assume that it's about aliens. And so a bunch of 2:16:52.320 --> 2:16:54.520 these people like turned into aliens, like U focus eiracy 2:16:54.520 --> 2:16:57.840 theorists and yeah, because this is you know, and we're 2:16:57.879 --> 2:17:01.080 getting to see this. The the US basically through it 2:17:01.200 --> 2:17:03.080 sort of like the secrecy run these programs. It just 2:17:03.160 --> 2:17:07.720 it keeps creating UFO conspiracies and yeah, there there's some okay, 2:17:07.760 --> 2:17:10.080 there's some question as to how deliberately they're doing this. 2:17:10.440 --> 2:17:13.800 Um So, the head of the National Investigation Committee on 2:17:14.040 --> 2:17:16.240 Aerial Phenomena, which is like the uf U s s 2:17:16.320 --> 2:17:19.520 UFO Study Group uh IN nine is taken over by 2:17:19.600 --> 2:17:23.320 Joseph Brian the Third, who Joseph Brian the Third was 2:17:23.440 --> 2:17:26.800 the CIA's first chief of Political and Psychological Warfare. He 2:17:26.920 --> 2:17:29.039 seems like a solid dude to hang out with. Yeah, 2:17:29.440 --> 2:17:36.320 so I have no idea what that means, does you know? 2:17:36.400 --> 2:17:38.120 And and there's there's some reports that there have been 2:17:38.160 --> 2:17:40.240 a couple of like books and documentaries and a lot 2:17:40.320 --> 2:17:44.240 and in the last like ten years to have repared that. Yes, 2:17:44.800 --> 2:17:47.240 but it basically reported that that people in the CIA 2:17:47.360 --> 2:17:50.520 deliberately fed like fake UFO information to people to cause 2:17:50.560 --> 2:17:52.920 people to like go even deeper into their conspiracy, which 2:17:52.920 --> 2:17:56.920 is absolutely believe. Yeah, I would, I will say this, Okay, so, 2:17:57.040 --> 2:17:59.320 like this is the kind of thing the CIA would do. 2:18:00.520 --> 2:18:03.240 But the people who are giving the evidence are sketchy, 2:18:04.120 --> 2:18:06.680 and I mean, of course, yeah, like that that, Yeah, 2:18:06.760 --> 2:18:08.760 that is kind of how that mean. They probably feed 2:18:08.840 --> 2:18:09.960 it to a lot of people, and the people who 2:18:10.080 --> 2:18:12.320 talk about it, well, I mean so that the people 2:18:12.400 --> 2:18:15.119 are testifying a better the people who allegedly did it, Yeah, 2:18:15.360 --> 2:18:17.320 which is interesting. But but the thing that, well, the 2:18:17.360 --> 2:18:19.160 probably is weird about those people also just sort of 2:18:19.680 --> 2:18:22.520 they're like, oh, I spread this conspiracy, but like they 2:18:22.600 --> 2:18:24.520 kind they also want to get into the UFO scene. 2:18:25.280 --> 2:18:28.080 And so the question it's it's weird and it is 2:18:28.160 --> 2:18:30.640 a lot of weird conflicting interests going on. And this 2:18:30.720 --> 2:18:32.120 is this is one of the problems with the CIA, 2:18:32.200 --> 2:18:34.840 which is that like, okay, so there's there's there's a 2:18:34.840 --> 2:18:36.320 couple of there's like some important things you need to 2:18:36.400 --> 2:18:39.279 understand about the CIA. They're bad. You don't need conspiracy 2:18:39.320 --> 2:18:41.200 theories for that. They're just they're bad. They do a 2:18:41.240 --> 2:18:44.960 lot of bad things. Um, the CIA having done something 2:18:45.280 --> 2:18:47.400 is not in and of itself proof that they need 2:18:47.440 --> 2:18:50.000 another thing. So for example, like you can say that 2:18:50.280 --> 2:18:51.680 like you know, you sayn't think like the CIA is 2:18:51.720 --> 2:18:53.760 a mood base, right, and someone asked you for evidence 2:18:53.760 --> 2:18:55.160 that you can go, oh, well, they did operation paper 2:18:55.200 --> 2:18:57.680 Clip and they're involved in development of rocket technology. But 2:18:58.480 --> 2:19:01.119 just because the CIA did offer paperclip and had rockets 2:19:01.120 --> 2:19:03.040 does not mean they have a moon base, right, Like 2:19:03.200 --> 2:19:05.119 this is this is this is something. This something happens 2:19:05.120 --> 2:19:08.440 all the time when people talk about the CIA falling 2:19:08.520 --> 2:19:13.640 into yeah, yeah, you cannot you cannot use something that 2:19:13.720 --> 2:19:16.200 the CIA has done as direct evidence they did something 2:19:16.240 --> 2:19:18.400 else unless there's a direct tie between, unless unless you 2:19:18.440 --> 2:19:21.879 have evidence that the other thing happened. There's other people 2:19:21.920 --> 2:19:26.039 who suck. Yeah yeah, and if everything is, they're not omnipotence. 2:19:26.040 --> 2:19:27.400 And then this is what the example I always bring 2:19:27.440 --> 2:19:30.560 up because it's really funny. So the CIA just completely 2:19:30.680 --> 2:19:34.560 missed two two different Indian nuclear weapons tests, like across 2:19:34.600 --> 2:19:37.080 two decades. Like not only did they not realize that 2:19:37.160 --> 2:19:39.119 that they were testing me happening soon, Like they didn't 2:19:39.160 --> 2:19:41.720 even know that India was doing tests at all. And 2:19:41.800 --> 2:19:44.240 then they Yeah, so these news would go off and 2:19:44.240 --> 2:19:45.959 they would learn that the India was doing tests when 2:19:46.160 --> 2:19:48.320 Indiana govern renounced on TV. So like they're they're not 2:19:48.360 --> 2:19:51.600 actually omnipotent. I think, I think, what is this interesting? People? 2:19:52.000 --> 2:19:53.320 I'm not sure if you're in a I'm not sure 2:19:53.360 --> 2:19:55.600 you bring this up shortly, but like this sort of 2:19:55.640 --> 2:19:58.160 thing is definitely is still happening in terms of like yeah, 2:19:58.480 --> 2:20:01.160 like air force pilots seeing weird stuff in this guy 2:20:01.360 --> 2:20:02.880 and then going to talk about it be like you know, 2:20:02.959 --> 2:20:05.800 it's just like this is some other aircraft. Usually it's 2:20:06.000 --> 2:20:08.480 usually usually we're able to actually like prove what these 2:20:08.560 --> 2:20:12.400 things are. Um, but like you know, military or people 2:20:12.400 --> 2:20:14.400 see stuff, they talk talk about the news, and at 2:20:14.440 --> 2:20:16.160 the time it was always weird. It's always when like 2:20:16.320 --> 2:20:19.880 some other like like civil arrest is happening. When like 2:20:20.280 --> 2:20:23.680 we get some weird piece of information about UFOs, you're like, oh, really, 2:20:23.959 --> 2:20:26.200 what a coincidence. And it's it's it's an interesting thing 2:20:26.240 --> 2:20:28.360 to be though, because like there's this kind of like 2:20:28.879 --> 2:20:31.600 weird interplace because like a lot of like like like 2:20:31.800 --> 2:20:36.360 senators and presidents like actually believe that there's UFOs and 2:20:36.480 --> 2:20:39.200 and this is like I mean the weird things, but 2:20:39.320 --> 2:20:41.720 like the different do you mean like UFOs are doing 2:20:41.840 --> 2:20:44.040 like aliens well, like like aliens like this like that 2:20:44.280 --> 2:20:45.360 there are there are a lot of people in the 2:20:45.400 --> 2:20:47.280 government who do believe in aliens and and and it's 2:20:47.320 --> 2:20:49.000 it's this weird tension because and a lot of like 2:20:49.040 --> 2:20:51.920 everything is like like I don't know, like Harry Reid, 2:20:51.959 --> 2:20:55.000 for example, was a big alien dude, right, but Harry Reid, 2:20:55.360 --> 2:20:57.160 like I mean, I know he's very powerful in Nevadas, 2:20:57.240 --> 2:20:59.560 like maybe he knew, but like Harry Reid is not 2:20:59.760 --> 2:21:02.959 some one who knows what's happening in these black projects 2:21:03.480 --> 2:21:06.280 because they don't tell. They don't tell Congress, right, I 2:21:06.360 --> 2:21:08.360 mean she she might know because of how powerfully is, 2:21:08.400 --> 2:21:10.920 but like again, it's up in the even even the 2:21:10.959 --> 2:21:13.320 people who are supposed to be in charge, I don't 2:21:13.400 --> 2:21:15.160 know what's actually happening. And that means they fall for 2:21:15.200 --> 2:21:17.560 conspiracy theories because yeah, they fought for conspiracy theories. And 2:21:17.640 --> 2:21:19.200 at this point, it's more of a it's more of 2:21:19.240 --> 2:21:21.480 a fandom than anything else. It's really easy to get 2:21:21.520 --> 2:21:25.160 sucked into a fandom, like so I can't I mean, 2:21:25.240 --> 2:21:29.080 I don't trust any Congressman on any level specifically around 2:21:29.120 --> 2:21:32.160 this issue, because this is solely a fandom issue. It's 2:21:32.200 --> 2:21:35.640 like it's like it's like taking their opinion on like religion. 2:21:35.760 --> 2:21:38.440 It's like I care zero amount because it's only a 2:21:38.520 --> 2:21:40.640 fandom like that. But I think I think that the 2:21:40.720 --> 2:21:42.560 thing that is very dangerous about this Stough is that 2:21:42.640 --> 2:21:46.400 again Area fifty one is like the existence of Area 2:21:46.480 --> 2:21:48.880 fifty one is like an atrocity to anyone who thinks 2:21:48.879 --> 2:21:51.040 you live in a democracy. They have almost killed us, 2:21:51.280 --> 2:21:54.440 like multiple multiple times, and everyone is like, oh, it's 2:21:54.440 --> 2:21:58.240 the aliens. It was like, nope, they they literally almost 2:21:58.360 --> 2:22:01.760 ended life on Earth like four times times. And and yeah, 2:22:01.800 --> 2:22:03.680 you know what, we're gonna get into they they you know, 2:22:03.800 --> 2:22:05.560 we'll get into the other horrible stuff they do in 2:22:05.600 --> 2:22:06.880 a second. But I do want to talk about the 2:22:06.920 --> 2:22:11.040 one cool thing they did, because okay, they did one 2:22:11.200 --> 2:22:13.720 thing that was incredibly awesome. That was the greatest thing 2:22:13.720 --> 2:22:15.400 the American Empire has ever produced, which is they made 2:22:15.400 --> 2:22:18.760 the SR seventy one, and the SR seventy one is 2:22:18.840 --> 2:22:22.000 fucking sick. This is this is the coolest airplane anyone. 2:22:22.080 --> 2:22:23.840 It's like, just like dot google a picture of it. 2:22:24.120 --> 2:22:26.959 It looks so cool. It could hit it could hit 2:22:27.080 --> 2:22:30.199 Mock three point four. Like, it's just fast. It's faster 2:22:30.320 --> 2:22:32.840 than bullets is. It doesn't have any weapons on it, 2:22:32.920 --> 2:22:34.400 and it it's it's defense strategy, So I want you 2:22:34.600 --> 2:22:39.039 missile is to outrun the missile. It's what's the X Man. 2:22:44.400 --> 2:22:47.360 It does look just like the X Wing, and it 2:22:47.680 --> 2:22:50.160 does look just like the X Men's Yeah, well yeah, 2:22:50.160 --> 2:22:55.280 it's specifically they modified s. Yeah, yeah, it's it's shiitest 2:22:55.320 --> 2:22:58.040 thing ever and it's like from that was like that 2:22:58.240 --> 2:23:01.400 was the pinnacle of the American empires when they made this, 2:23:01.640 --> 2:23:05.000 this one just absolutely incredible machine, and then they used 2:23:05.040 --> 2:23:08.360 to do war crimes in Vietnam and then they were like, oh, 2:23:08.520 --> 2:23:11.440 it's too expensive. Dick Cheney, who was a demon in 2:23:11.560 --> 2:23:13.800 human form, who will one day returned to the hell 2:23:13.879 --> 2:23:16.240 that spawned him and spend the rest of his day's 2:23:16.280 --> 2:23:20.039 being torn apart by Satan, has the program killed because 2:23:20.080 --> 2:23:21.920 he wants to make B two bombers, and he's like, oh, 2:23:22.160 --> 2:23:24.360 we've got to be able to drop nukes from weird 2:23:24.440 --> 2:23:26.920 triangle planes. We can't run the coolest plane of all 2:23:26.959 --> 2:23:31.040 time ever anymore. So he kills it. And it's depressing 2:23:31.160 --> 2:23:34.360 and it's it's everything is bad now, and he will 2:23:34.520 --> 2:23:38.000 rott in hell eternally for of his many crimes. Killing 2:23:38.040 --> 2:23:39.840 the SR seventy one. The only good thing the Americans 2:23:39.920 --> 2:23:42.440 ever did. He should have This is the only thing 2:23:42.520 --> 2:23:44.840 we should have ever spent money on us. Yeah, but 2:23:44.959 --> 2:23:47.760 if look if the roads just a network of SR 2:23:47.879 --> 2:23:52.440 seven it was that was almost three million dollars in 2:23:52.480 --> 2:23:55.920 today's money for one Yeah. Sure, but like just like 2:23:57.000 --> 2:23:59.440 just like a trillion dark. Look at how much worse 2:23:59.640 --> 2:24:03.280 that lane looks than the sr SEV one, like every 2:24:03.360 --> 2:24:07.520 success flying around in at they're so wet, they're so 2:24:07.720 --> 2:24:13.880 bad because Professor Xavier has has fucking style unfortunately. So 2:24:14.000 --> 2:24:17.800 there's the other things they're building there are horrifying. Um. 2:24:18.120 --> 2:24:20.600 One of the most important ones that I think people 2:24:20.720 --> 2:24:23.360 have sort of like forgotten the real impact of is 2:24:23.600 --> 2:24:27.040 is that the F one se Nighthawk and so so 2:24:27.440 --> 2:24:30.120 uh Eric fifty one is basically where American steuth technology 2:24:30.160 --> 2:24:32.840 is developed, which really does on the conspiracy but like, no, 2:24:32.959 --> 2:24:34.360 this is actually like yeah, this, this is this is 2:24:34.400 --> 2:24:36.920 what they're doing. They're doing Yeah, they're doing stealth technology 2:24:37.080 --> 2:24:41.120 and the Nighthawk. The Nighthawk is really bad, and the 2:24:41.240 --> 2:24:43.320 night Hawk is really bad because it fundamentally changes the 2:24:43.360 --> 2:24:46.160 balance of power between antio weapons and bombers. And this 2:24:46.320 --> 2:24:48.400 means that the US can just like, I don't know, 2:24:48.480 --> 2:24:51.560 for example, just obliterate an army of fleeing Iraqi conscripts 2:24:51.560 --> 2:24:55.040 without having to like worry about someone shooting down their planes. 2:24:55.920 --> 2:24:58.400 To be fair, I do think I do think the 2:24:58.520 --> 2:25:03.320 night Hawk looks way better then the previous plane we mentioned. 2:25:03.600 --> 2:25:07.200 That's for any one has not a bad looking plane, 2:25:07.320 --> 2:25:10.880 but the night has beautiful plane. It's a it is 2:25:11.000 --> 2:25:14.240 a horrible killing machine. It's all it's designed for. And 2:25:14.400 --> 2:25:16.920 it looks like it it looks like death. Like the 2:25:17.040 --> 2:25:19.360 plane looks like it's true, it doesn't look like well 2:25:19.400 --> 2:25:21.400 that's why I likely there's only one or seventy one 2:25:21.480 --> 2:25:25.520 just looks like it looks like, looks like sexy death. Yeah, 2:25:25.600 --> 2:25:28.119 whereas where this one looks like it's like, this looks 2:25:28.160 --> 2:25:31.920 like like like like like yeah, like a government put 2:25:32.000 --> 2:25:35.120 into a plane that is death, that is and that 2:25:35.200 --> 2:25:37.400 is what it looks like. And so yeah, this is 2:25:37.480 --> 2:25:39.600 this is this is part of a transition the night 2:25:39.600 --> 2:25:41.880 Hawks actually is there's an interesting transition that's happening here, 2:25:41.920 --> 2:25:45.119 which is that so the Nighthawks, Uh, the night Hawk 2:25:45.200 --> 2:25:47.800 is tested at at at one, but this is the 2:25:47.920 --> 2:25:51.400 first plane that like can actually drop bombs that are 2:25:51.480 --> 2:25:52.840 fift do you want ever made? Because up until up 2:25:52.879 --> 2:25:54.640 until this point they've been doing mconnaissance aircraft and be 2:25:54.680 --> 2:25:57.200 doing the YouTube there's seventy one a twelve, which is 2:25:57.280 --> 2:26:01.600 like they're just capable of accident ending the world, whereas 2:26:02.200 --> 2:26:05.880 these deliberately ending it by dropping bombs. Yeah, and and 2:26:05.959 --> 2:26:08.720 this this this is when the CIA gives control of 2:26:09.080 --> 2:26:13.480 AFT one to the Air Force. Yeah, and this is all. 2:26:13.600 --> 2:26:15.680 This is also where airy fifty two comes in because 2:26:15.920 --> 2:26:17.840 fifty two, which it's it's it's literally just a facility 2:26:17.879 --> 2:26:20.280 X fifty one. And so they air fifty one is like, 2:26:20.600 --> 2:26:22.880 I sorry, Air fifty two is built up basically to 2:26:23.000 --> 2:26:26.960 like house the night Hawks. Now it is it is 2:26:27.040 --> 2:26:29.959 interesting that like the older night Hawks look a lot 2:26:30.120 --> 2:26:34.160 more like UFOs than the newer night Hawks. Like the 2:26:34.200 --> 2:26:37.720 newer night Hawks look more like the stupid like tumbler 2:26:37.800 --> 2:26:40.800 batmobile but in a plane, the older night Hawks look 2:26:40.840 --> 2:26:43.600 a lot more sci fi um. And it is interesting 2:26:43.640 --> 2:26:45.600 working the difference to be like, if I saw the 2:26:45.640 --> 2:26:47.480 older night Hawk could be like, oh that's the UFO. 2:26:47.680 --> 2:26:49.120 If I saw the newer night Hawk, I'm like, oh 2:26:49.240 --> 2:26:51.280 that is like a military plane. Yeah. Well, and I 2:26:51.320 --> 2:26:53.720 will I will say this. So they start doing a 2:26:53.800 --> 2:26:55.920 lot of things to reduce the number of UFO sightings 2:26:56.120 --> 2:26:58.040 they produce. So, like they said, they start flaying. They 2:26:58.080 --> 2:27:00.880 start flying at night because it's actually really hard to 2:27:00.879 --> 2:27:04.840 see a black airplane at night. Which yeah, but but 2:27:05.200 --> 2:27:08.000 you know the other thing that they're doing in Air 2:27:08.120 --> 2:27:10.600 fifty one, and they've been doing this really since the sixties. 2:27:10.800 --> 2:27:13.440 Is Air fifty one is where the US basically develops 2:27:13.480 --> 2:27:16.680 its drones. Yeah, and that is that that is the 2:27:16.760 --> 2:27:20.520 modern thing that pilots talk of it on CBS or whatever, 2:27:20.680 --> 2:27:22.480 and and you know, and it's interestingly so so I 2:27:23.120 --> 2:27:24.640 I mean I've been sort of aware of this, I 2:27:24.680 --> 2:27:28.240 didn't fully understand it. The US like had drones in 2:27:28.280 --> 2:27:31.640 the sixties which just put a lot Yeah, yeah, like 2:27:31.720 --> 2:27:33.600 they like one of the things they do with the 2:27:33.640 --> 2:27:35.240 A twelve is they put like they had this like 2:27:35.560 --> 2:27:38.600 Ramjet drone on top of it, just like pretty like 2:27:38.640 --> 2:27:40.840 a Ramjet joone is sick. Like that's like, that's just 2:27:40.879 --> 2:27:42.800 like a cool thing. Yeah, if it wasn't used for 2:27:42.920 --> 2:27:46.760 killing people, then all these things are cool designed to people. 2:27:46.800 --> 2:27:49.000 Well yeah, but about the ram jet things, they had 2:27:49.000 --> 2:27:50.600 to stop using it because it kept it kept just 2:27:50.680 --> 2:27:53.280 like like cutting the airplane that kept cutting the A 2:27:53.360 --> 2:27:59.600 twelve and a half. It's okay, well to the ram 2:27:59.680 --> 2:28:02.240 Jet drowne But yeah, And I think the last thing 2:28:02.280 --> 2:28:06.119 we should talk about is that, Yeah, so Area fifty 2:28:06.200 --> 2:28:08.879 ones the latest thing that we know that they did 2:28:09.160 --> 2:28:13.720 that is horrifying and awful is so up up until 2:28:14.000 --> 2:28:16.800 nine eleven, there have been a line in the U. S. Military, 2:28:16.879 --> 2:28:19.200 and that line was you do not put weapons on 2:28:19.320 --> 2:28:28.560 unarmed drones. After after what a time? Yeah, and every 2:28:28.640 --> 2:28:31.199 nine eleven, uh, the air Force in the CIA basically 2:28:31.200 --> 2:28:33.400 get together and they're trying to draw up a plan 2:28:33.440 --> 2:28:36.320 to kill Burn Lauden and so their their plan to 2:28:36.400 --> 2:28:38.360 do this is to put health fire missiles on a drone. 2:28:38.800 --> 2:28:41.240 And this is this is this is the origin of 2:28:41.440 --> 2:28:45.520 what a horrible series of ye there like the few 2:28:45.600 --> 2:28:48.160 decisions that have impacted the course of humanity for the 2:28:48.240 --> 2:28:52.080 next century that are being responsible for so many and 2:28:52.240 --> 2:28:54.160 this thing, you you can you can see where this 2:28:54.320 --> 2:28:56.240 is going in the initial thing because so when when 2:28:56.320 --> 2:28:58.520 when when they're testing the missiles on this right in 2:28:58.600 --> 2:29:01.200 Air fifty one, that they set up a mock version 2:29:01.280 --> 2:29:03.920 of like Ben Lawden's house, and they're setting it up 2:29:03.920 --> 2:29:05.480 so that they can figure out how many children they 2:29:05.480 --> 2:29:07.480 are going to kill when they blow this thing up. Yeah, 2:29:08.120 --> 2:29:10.880 and yeah, that's that's that's that's that's been that's been 2:29:10.920 --> 2:29:15.160 a modern No, the worst, the worst thing to come 2:29:15.200 --> 2:29:19.400 from places like this is putting guns on robots and drones. 2:29:19.520 --> 2:29:22.760 This is like the worst thing, almost almost almost ending 2:29:22.840 --> 2:29:26.119 the world with nuclear weapons, and then now drones deciding 2:29:26.160 --> 2:29:29.680 to put deciding to put bombs and weapons on little 2:29:29.800 --> 2:29:34.120 tiny things that fly and little and little robots that 2:29:34.240 --> 2:29:37.840 crawl around. This is the worst thing imaginable that we 2:29:37.920 --> 2:29:40.520 could have. We could have just not done, but we're like, nope, 2:29:40.640 --> 2:29:43.039 let's do it. And because the thing thing has occard 2:29:43.040 --> 2:29:45.480 about it is even even though like seventies c i 2:29:45.600 --> 2:29:47.880 A was like, this is a bad idea. I know, 2:29:48.160 --> 2:29:50.400 it's one of one of the first laws of like 2:29:51.000 --> 2:29:53.359 one of the first laws of first lave of robotics, 2:29:53.480 --> 2:29:56.520 the first law of robotics. Yeah, but we stopped talking 2:29:56.560 --> 2:30:00.440 about that years ago, and now we have the Now 2:30:00.520 --> 2:30:04.280 we have those fucking robot dogs have fucking like five 2:30:04.680 --> 2:30:12.760 six rifles six point five even worse, even worse. Yeah, 2:30:12.920 --> 2:30:16.080 and that's the episode. And yeah, a six point five 2:30:16.160 --> 2:30:19.080 creed More rifle, it'll go right through a robot. Yeah, 2:30:20.200 --> 2:30:23.240 I'm real excited for the robot Wars and then you'll 2:30:23.240 --> 2:30:27.080 be able to it's gonna suck so bad. We're already 2:30:27.120 --> 2:30:30.760 in the robot Wars. Yeah, I know, yeah, it's well, 2:30:30.800 --> 2:30:33.480 it's happened. Well, but you know what will never happen. 2:30:33.640 --> 2:30:35.160 It would have been so much it would have been 2:30:35.200 --> 2:30:39.240 so much better if it was just aliens. God what no, not, Yeah, 2:30:39.480 --> 2:30:43.800 you would though, if we ever do Store Mary, we 2:30:43.840 --> 2:30:46.199 should just destroy it like that. That's just that place. 2:30:46.320 --> 2:30:48.400 That place should be raised to the ground and like 2:30:48.560 --> 2:30:50.560 left as a monument to the people that killed, because 2:30:52.040 --> 2:30:56.000 that should be most of the states. Yes, yes, specifically, 2:30:57.160 --> 2:30:59.480 we fill every inch of it with concrete and we 2:30:59.600 --> 2:31:02.000 top it with a statue of Fox Molder. You know. 2:31:02.120 --> 2:31:03.959 You know what we do is we do the thing 2:31:04.240 --> 2:31:09.520 like for the theoretical the theoretical nuclear waste disposal site. Yeah, 2:31:09.640 --> 2:31:12.560 that is what we do. It is also still sort 2:31:12.560 --> 2:31:15.039 of a radiant and also it is still also radiant. 2:31:15.320 --> 2:31:20.720 So yeah, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing of value is kept here. 2:31:21.120 --> 2:31:25.439 Turn turn away. Yea. Yeah, well I wish it was Aliens. 2:31:26.040 --> 2:31:29.400 We all wish it was aliens. All right, Well that's 2:31:29.400 --> 2:31:33.520 the episode. You can follow our CIA exploits that that 2:31:33.600 --> 2:31:36.000 happened here upon on Twitter and Instagram. God I hate 2:31:36.040 --> 2:31:53.120 social media. All right, that's the episode, spooky, all right, 2:31:53.160 --> 2:31:56.720 we're done. Um, hello, everybody, welcome back to the show. 2:31:56.840 --> 2:31:58.920 That this is on the week that this is which 2:31:59.000 --> 2:32:03.359 is the spooky week of the year where things are spooky. Today, 2:32:03.959 --> 2:32:09.119 my guest Katie Golden. Katie, say hello to the audience. Hello, audience, 2:32:09.400 --> 2:32:14.760 now say goodbye. Okay by audience. Now tell the audience 2:32:14.840 --> 2:32:18.800 that acts of industrial sabotage are always morally justified in 2:32:18.879 --> 2:32:24.160 defense of the climate. Uh acts of Wait, okay, so 2:32:25.920 --> 2:32:29.600 are you do you guys have a team of lawyers 2:32:29.720 --> 2:32:32.720 that I can access or absolutely, they say it's fine. 2:32:32.959 --> 2:32:35.400 They say it's fine. If you tell people that, then 2:32:35.600 --> 2:32:39.840 you know, industrial sabotui or whatever. He said, it's cool. 2:32:39.959 --> 2:32:43.080 I love it all right, everybody. I wouldn't have made 2:32:43.120 --> 2:32:45.320 that kind of claim, but but you heard Katie, so 2:32:45.760 --> 2:32:48.360 you know, there you go. We've now made a full 2:32:48.400 --> 2:32:52.360 throated defense of the Niger Delta Avengers. That is true. 2:32:52.440 --> 2:32:55.600 That is an upcoming episode. Chris, um, Katie, what do you? 2:32:55.680 --> 2:32:56.920 What do you do? What do we? What do we? 2:32:57.080 --> 2:32:59.040 What do we? What? What are we? What are we? 2:32:59.680 --> 2:33:05.600 What are We're all stardust? Robert, Okay, well that sounds soothing. 2:33:05.640 --> 2:33:10.400 Actually well well, first, Katie of of of the Golden's 2:33:10.600 --> 2:33:14.360 is the host of Creature right for some more news. 2:33:14.560 --> 2:33:17.119 You're the host of Creature Future Jesus, Sophie, you gotta 2:33:17.120 --> 2:33:23.880 remember these things. Um, everything's always beautiful. What are we 2:33:23.959 --> 2:33:26.160 What are we doing today? What do you got? What? 2:33:26.400 --> 2:33:30.800 What are what's happening? I mean, this is your podcast, 2:33:31.000 --> 2:33:36.560 But I thought, all right, fine, it's my podcast. Now, 2:33:36.640 --> 2:33:39.959 welcome to it could happen. We are hosted by Katie Golden. 2:33:40.520 --> 2:33:42.680 I thought we could talk. I thought we could talk 2:33:42.680 --> 2:33:46.240 about animals because I like animals. All right, you got 2:33:46.360 --> 2:33:50.000 a spooky thing about an animal for us? Yeah, I thought, 2:33:50.240 --> 2:33:53.080 because the theme of your podcast seems to be, you know, 2:33:53.360 --> 2:33:57.240 sort of the future and how things could get pretty 2:33:57.320 --> 2:34:00.840 fucky in the future, and I thought, there are some 2:34:01.400 --> 2:34:06.240 examples of things getting fucky with animals in the current present. 2:34:07.160 --> 2:34:11.760 That seems to it could maybe be a bit of 2:34:11.920 --> 2:34:15.480 a crystal ball for things that could happen in the 2:34:15.600 --> 2:34:20.119 future with climate change. That is kind of spooky. All right, 2:34:20.600 --> 2:34:24.720 let's do it. Have you guys heard of the Saiga antelope. 2:34:26.520 --> 2:34:29.080 I mean, I've heard of antelopes, and I've heard of 2:34:29.120 --> 2:34:31.400 the Saiga, and I guess I'm not surprised that there's 2:34:31.600 --> 2:34:35.800 antelopes in the Saiga. Do me a quick favor and 2:34:35.840 --> 2:34:39.320 just google Siga antelope and just take a gander. Take 2:34:39.360 --> 2:34:45.720 them on in as I I'll describe them to the audience. Wow. Yeah, 2:34:47.080 --> 2:34:50.720 they are kind of some of the cutest, dufiest little 2:34:50.959 --> 2:34:54.280 us in the world. Little little they have the best 2:34:54.400 --> 2:34:59.040 little face. It's it's like just too it's just a 2:34:59.120 --> 2:35:02.920 big nose. It's just a big ridiculous nose. My god, 2:35:03.040 --> 2:35:05.880 that knows looks silly. They must be endangered because they 2:35:05.959 --> 2:35:08.760 look they look like they're terrible at staying alive. Their 2:35:08.920 --> 2:35:12.600 their faces all nose. It's like someone's whole face was 2:35:12.680 --> 2:35:15.840 just a nose, like someone stuck an ant eater to like. Yeah, 2:35:16.560 --> 2:35:19.199 they look delicious. I'm just gonna say it. I would 2:35:19.240 --> 2:35:22.280 hunt them and eat them. They kind of have like 2:35:23.240 --> 2:35:26.880 did it with Voldemort's nostrils in the Harry Potter movie. 2:35:27.000 --> 2:35:33.120 But like long, Yeah, they look ridiculous. Yes, they like 2:35:33.160 --> 2:35:36.879 a Star Wars animal. Yeah, some of them. They're patterning 2:35:37.000 --> 2:35:39.119 makes it look like they have tear drop tattoos under 2:35:39.160 --> 2:35:41.320 their eyes, which I think means they've all killed someone 2:35:41.360 --> 2:35:47.520 in prison. I remember the hard correctly. Yeah, anyways, are 2:35:47.520 --> 2:35:50.480 you going to tell something that is happening with them? Katie? Yes? 2:35:50.879 --> 2:35:54.920 Are they racist? Are these racist? Antelope. Katie, we're gonna 2:35:54.959 --> 2:35:58.959 milkshake duct these antelopes. Yeah, they're they're all as far 2:35:59.040 --> 2:36:00.800 as I know, they're not tear racist. They have some 2:36:01.000 --> 2:36:05.879 problematic views on like, you know, gender abortion. Yeah, that's 2:36:05.959 --> 2:36:09.320 I mean, all antelope have really regressive attitudes towards women's 2:36:09.400 --> 2:36:14.320 reproductive health, I mean frustrating. Yeah, yeah, it's a but 2:36:14.640 --> 2:36:17.000 these guys look like Star Wars animals. To me, they 2:36:17.080 --> 2:36:18.920 kind of look like a Star Wars animal named like 2:36:18.959 --> 2:36:23.080 a grass honker or something. Yeah, they look extremely fake. 2:36:23.160 --> 2:36:25.000 It's it looks like a guy you'd meet at the 2:36:25.080 --> 2:36:31.080 bar where the Aliens played jizz. Yes, that type of 2:36:31.160 --> 2:36:34.960 music that Katie's doing is canonically and if you and 2:36:35.040 --> 2:36:36.720 if you are if you, if you are a musician 2:36:36.760 --> 2:36:39.560 who plays jiz, you are a jiz whaler. And the 2:36:39.680 --> 2:36:43.800 best thing about that is that I know all of 2:36:43.879 --> 2:36:47.080 the thought that George Lucas put to that was, Oh, 2:36:47.280 --> 2:36:49.360 someone asked what the type of music they played in 2:36:49.400 --> 2:36:52.600 the jazz is a real kind of music. Let me 2:36:52.680 --> 2:36:56.600 just put an eye in the vowel. Now, well that's 2:36:56.640 --> 2:37:00.920 gonna be the day for me. Aren't put an apostrophe 2:37:00.959 --> 2:37:04.920 in which it could have? It could have it could 2:37:04.959 --> 2:37:09.320 have been, is right, So it didn't even the effort 2:37:09.400 --> 2:37:13.840 wasn't there because these are okay, sorry, no, I could 2:37:13.840 --> 2:37:17.120 talk about this for hours. I just the differences between J. K. 2:37:17.360 --> 2:37:21.800 Rowling and and George Lucas as creators who both made 2:37:21.959 --> 2:37:25.080 very popular fiction franchises and want people to think they 2:37:25.160 --> 2:37:28.240 thought about them more than they did, is absolutely hysterical 2:37:28.280 --> 2:37:30.600 because J. K. Rowling does that by creating all these 2:37:30.640 --> 2:37:34.400 convoluted backstories and George Lucas replaced the A and jazz 2:37:34.480 --> 2:37:38.800 with an eye and didn't realize that a thing. Right, 2:37:40.840 --> 2:37:45.400 what an incredible person. It is pretty good. Sorry, Katie, No, 2:37:45.640 --> 2:37:48.360 it's fine, it's fine. So these psyched antelope a k a. 2:37:48.520 --> 2:37:52.240 Jiz whalers are found in the grasslands and semi deserts 2:37:52.400 --> 2:37:58.200 in Central Asia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan. They 2:37:58.240 --> 2:38:00.720 actually used to have a much wider change, but because 2:38:00.760 --> 2:38:04.520 of all the Roberts out there wanting to taste their delicious, 2:38:04.840 --> 2:38:12.360 delicious hunting just that nose on a plate, their population 2:38:12.480 --> 2:38:16.640 declined and it's now limited to a small territory. So yeah, 2:38:17.280 --> 2:38:21.320 so there's still enough for me to eat a couple no, Robert, 2:38:21.440 --> 2:38:23.160 if you try to kill one, I'll kill you first. 2:38:27.320 --> 2:38:30.280 Antelope hunting, we have to we have to protect they 2:38:30.320 --> 2:38:33.960 look they look stupid as ship. They can't possibly be 2:38:34.080 --> 2:38:36.760 good at stuff. Actually what that knows? I bet their 2:38:36.800 --> 2:38:40.400 senses are. They could do a lot of interesting things. Yeah, anybody, 2:38:40.560 --> 2:38:45.240 let Katie tell the story. You interrupting, Fox go sorry, 2:38:45.360 --> 2:38:49.200 we all got jizz pilled in now not so, it's okay, 2:38:49.240 --> 2:38:51.840 it's I understand the excitement about these guys. Um. I 2:38:51.879 --> 2:38:54.440 do want to paint a mental picture for the audience 2:38:54.520 --> 2:38:56.760 just so they get like why people are freaking out. 2:38:56.840 --> 2:39:00.760 So they have this elephant, like imagine a little antelope, 2:39:00.760 --> 2:39:03.400 and they're they're small. They're about two to three ft tall, 2:39:03.440 --> 2:39:07.960 about sids. Yeah, they're little babies. And it looks like 2:39:08.080 --> 2:39:10.840 you took like a cute little deer and just glued 2:39:11.040 --> 2:39:14.520 like a big elephant nose to it. It's not as 2:39:14.680 --> 2:39:16.800 long as an elephant trunk, but it's sort of a 2:39:17.440 --> 2:39:20.800 like a it curls under like an elephant seal nose 2:39:21.160 --> 2:39:24.400 stuck to a little deer. And that snout is called 2:39:24.440 --> 2:39:29.520 a proboscis, and yeah, it's a they're kind of a 2:39:29.600 --> 2:39:33.320 they have sort of a light tan white coat. Uh, 2:39:33.440 --> 2:39:37.039 they can get really fluffy in the winter. Uh. They 2:39:37.080 --> 2:39:41.560 have these really huge tubular nostrils on that nose, and 2:39:41.720 --> 2:39:47.040 that gigantic honker helps them filter dirt as the huge 2:39:47.080 --> 2:39:49.960 herds sort of trample on the ground and kick up 2:39:50.000 --> 2:39:54.160 dirt clouds um. And it can also act as an 2:39:54.280 --> 2:39:58.800 ac unit that cools the Siga antelopes blood. So as 2:39:58.920 --> 2:40:01.800 blood flows through it, you have this spacious chamber and 2:40:01.879 --> 2:40:05.200 it cools the blood and it recirculates. And then in 2:40:05.280 --> 2:40:07.960 the winter it can act as a space heater that 2:40:08.160 --> 2:40:12.680 warms the air before they breathe it in so ac heater. Yeah, 2:40:12.920 --> 2:40:16.879 filter system. It's really a cool nose, which is why 2:40:17.560 --> 2:40:22.039 it was absolutely horrifying when entire herds of the Saga 2:40:22.080 --> 2:40:26.720 antelope started dropping dead on mass within like days of 2:40:26.840 --> 2:40:32.640 each other, just like a biblical plague. So there are photos. 2:40:34.080 --> 2:40:45.040 What's properly unbelievable. You're so embarrassing sometimes, Katie, I'm so sorry. No, 2:40:45.240 --> 2:40:48.360 it's it's it's fine. Um, I'm I mean, I don't 2:40:48.400 --> 2:40:51.440 know how else to sort of add levity to just 2:40:51.600 --> 2:40:54.320 the most adorable little antelope in the world just all 2:40:54.520 --> 2:40:59.840 suddenly dying. Uh, there. So there are photos in Kazakhstan 2:41:00.400 --> 2:41:04.840 of in Kazakhstan of these fields just littered with these 2:41:04.959 --> 2:41:07.920 white lumps, and when you zoom in you realize they're 2:41:07.920 --> 2:41:12.680 all saga antelope corpses just covering the ground. It's pretty 2:41:12.760 --> 2:41:16.240 bone chilling. It kind of looks okay, this is a 2:41:16.320 --> 2:41:19.880 little bit, uh. It kind of looks like a cult death, 2:41:19.959 --> 2:41:25.240 a mass cult death, like jonestown antelope. Oh boy. I 2:41:25.360 --> 2:41:27.640 was going to say when you go grenade fishing, but yeah, 2:41:27.920 --> 2:41:34.200 same kind of idea grenade fishing. Yeah, what does you 2:41:34.280 --> 2:41:36.160 drop a grenade in a lake and then it kills 2:41:36.200 --> 2:41:37.680 all the fish and they float to the top so 2:41:37.760 --> 2:41:41.080 you can Okay, I thought it was like you were 2:41:41.200 --> 2:41:46.000 fishing for like running around a field going like is 2:41:46.040 --> 2:41:48.480 that a grenade? Is? If you go fishing in a 2:41:48.600 --> 2:41:51.320 lake where people go grenade fishing, you may in fact 2:41:51.520 --> 2:41:55.400 catch a grenade. But no, right, two grenades with one stone. 2:41:56.840 --> 2:41:59.920 Well kind of I'm having this image of bobbing for apples. 2:42:00.760 --> 2:42:11.520 But above ye with lakes in Iraq, is it because 2:42:11.560 --> 2:42:15.560 they've got grenades in them? Yeah? Don't really, that's how 2:42:15.600 --> 2:42:22.280 you fish, Yeah, okay, yeah, it's still obsession looking at 2:42:22.320 --> 2:42:27.480 these pictures. Okay, what caused all this, this this nightmare 2:42:27.520 --> 2:42:29.480 plague that killed all of the all of the weird 2:42:29.560 --> 2:42:32.840 nos the gonzo antelope, right, the gonzo antelope. It was 2:42:33.080 --> 2:42:37.200 kind of a mystery. So in two hundred thousand siged 2:42:37.360 --> 2:42:42.480 died off in that year alone, literally not that many. 2:42:42.840 --> 2:42:47.520 So yeah, it was like the they wiped out the 2:42:47.600 --> 2:42:52.680 majority of the global population because they were already endangered. Um. Yeah, 2:42:52.720 --> 2:42:55.720 they just like keeled over died without explanation, and so 2:42:56.040 --> 2:43:01.200 researchers were obviously horrified and confused and slightly curious and 2:43:01.520 --> 2:43:07.920 start that's moan left. Yeah. Yeah, so they're like a 2:43:08.040 --> 2:43:12.760 hundred thousand left. Um. And so they started investigating the 2:43:12.920 --> 2:43:15.440 mass deaths and they found that the cause was a 2:43:15.560 --> 2:43:21.720 bacterial infection of pastor Ella multosita type B bacteria, which 2:43:21.760 --> 2:43:25.879 is a really catchy name. Um. And it caused hemorrhagic 2:43:25.959 --> 2:43:31.120 sceptus simia um, which is a horrible I looked up 2:43:31.200 --> 2:43:34.520 the symptoms. It's like internal bleeding and just it's like 2:43:35.040 --> 2:43:39.199 the worst cold ever, but also with your organs bleeding inside, 2:43:39.280 --> 2:43:43.680 which doesn't sound great. It sounds and honestly looks like 2:43:43.840 --> 2:43:49.080 Captain trips, like the plague from Stephen King's the stand 2:43:49.160 --> 2:43:51.959 that killed all of the people, Like just this horrible 2:43:52.040 --> 2:43:55.720 plague that makes everybody bleed out and drop where they're standing. Yeah, 2:43:55.920 --> 2:43:58.720 that's essentially what it happened. What happens also with a 2:43:58.800 --> 2:44:01.480 lot of snot like a lot of Yeah, that's also 2:44:01.640 --> 2:44:05.480 very captain trips. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean maybe 2:44:05.520 --> 2:44:12.720 that yeah yeah, so meat fun So yeah. What is 2:44:12.760 --> 2:44:18.480 thought to have happened is that basically, this bacteria pastor 2:44:18.560 --> 2:44:22.320 Ella has often been found in siga antelope large noses. 2:44:22.360 --> 2:44:25.680 They're also found in other like a yellow noses that 2:44:25.959 --> 2:44:29.280 have big these big sort of proboscus noses, and it 2:44:29.440 --> 2:44:32.040 lives in there. But it's normally not a problem because 2:44:32.680 --> 2:44:35.360 the immune system is able to fight it off fine 2:44:35.480 --> 2:44:39.000 and maintains this balance. But the climate, I don't know 2:44:39.080 --> 2:44:41.120 if you guys have heard, but climate is kind of 2:44:41.240 --> 2:44:45.680 getting weird. That is something I've I've heard of, Yeah, 2:44:46.520 --> 2:44:49.680 learning about it. It may be it may be changing 2:44:49.760 --> 2:44:51.440 from what it used to be a little bit. Yeah, 2:44:52.080 --> 2:44:56.199 it's called change of climate kind of on a global scale. 2:44:56.240 --> 2:45:04.160 Everything getting slightly warmer. Yeah, climate hot ng because of 2:45:04.280 --> 2:45:11.600 climate hottening, this bacteria it had much more ideal, uh 2:45:12.000 --> 2:45:15.680 kind of of an environment to grow. So inside the 2:45:15.959 --> 2:45:19.280 beautiful proboscis of the antelope, you can imagine it's moist, 2:45:19.360 --> 2:45:23.320 it's warm, it's great, it's moister fester inside the nose, 2:45:23.760 --> 2:45:26.200 right exactly. And so when it gets more humid on 2:45:26.280 --> 2:45:29.800 the outside, more hot and humid, that nose increases in 2:45:29.879 --> 2:45:33.640 temperature as well, and it became the perfect incubator for 2:45:33.760 --> 2:45:38.920 hosting this bacteria such that it overwhelmed the antelopes immune 2:45:38.959 --> 2:45:43.160 system and literally they just started dropping like flies from 2:45:43.200 --> 2:45:47.480 this infection, like an entire herd dying within a couple 2:45:47.520 --> 2:45:51.040 of days. When when you first mentioned this, you're talking 2:45:51.040 --> 2:45:52.480 about how they can use their nose as like an 2:45:52.480 --> 2:45:54.840 air conditioner. I was thinking like, oh, maybe maybe these 2:45:54.840 --> 2:45:56.920 animals will be like well adapted to climate change so 2:45:56.959 --> 2:45:59.200 they can stuff regulate. But no, of course not. Of 2:45:59.280 --> 2:46:03.640 course it's not a good story. Um yea. Now, I 2:46:03.720 --> 2:46:06.280 think that's what's so creepy about climate change to me 2:46:06.360 --> 2:46:10.080 is there's like the obvious effects are things like more fire, 2:46:10.360 --> 2:46:13.360 we get real hot and we die because it's too hot. 2:46:13.959 --> 2:46:18.760 But things like oh this means bacteria loves loves living 2:46:18.840 --> 2:46:21.320 life and like starts eating us from the inside out. 2:46:21.400 --> 2:46:24.600 Like that's not a really I guess intuitive consequence of 2:46:24.800 --> 2:46:28.440 global warming, but it is one of the things that 2:46:29.000 --> 2:46:31.880 seems to be likely to happen. So it's really creepy. 2:46:32.560 --> 2:46:35.080 Well it's fun is when you started this and talked 2:46:35.120 --> 2:46:37.800 about like a whole herd of of of these antelopes 2:46:37.879 --> 2:46:39.800 dropping at once, I thought it was going to be like, oh, 2:46:39.879 --> 2:46:42.560 another one of those like horrible sulfur bubbles that killed 2:46:42.640 --> 2:46:45.880 like a city's worth of animals in a matter of 2:46:45.959 --> 2:46:49.520 seconds because a bunch of ice melted. Um. And I'm 2:46:49.560 --> 2:46:52.720 not sure which is creepier. Actually this is worse. Like 2:46:53.120 --> 2:46:56.480 they died in like horrible pain. Yeah, I don't think 2:46:56.520 --> 2:47:00.440 the sulfur wasn't painful, but yeah, but they're horrifying. Break 2:47:01.480 --> 2:47:04.600 the soulfers at least faster. They're both very frightening. And 2:47:04.680 --> 2:47:07.199 it's also both things that like oh yeah, that could 2:47:07.320 --> 2:47:09.760 that could they that could drop some people that could 2:47:10.040 --> 2:47:12.240 just jump right across. There's there's a couple of ways 2:47:12.280 --> 2:47:14.080 this could go bad for us. This is the thing 2:47:14.160 --> 2:47:15.800 me and Robert was looking a little bit into to 2:47:15.840 --> 2:47:18.360 put together the first five scripted episodes of The Daily 2:47:18.800 --> 2:47:21.200 Is We in a few books we read, there were 2:47:21.240 --> 2:47:23.680 there were there were sections, like large sections about how 2:47:23.760 --> 2:47:28.160 this is gonna basically just make plagues be a thing forever. Now, Yeah, 2:47:28.200 --> 2:47:29.840 this is gonna be hard for people to really get 2:47:29.840 --> 2:47:32.200 their heads around. But imagine a plague hit in in 2:47:32.360 --> 2:47:35.120 in the twenty onet century. How scary that would be 2:47:35.360 --> 2:47:38.080 just really trying to get your head around that global plague. Yeah, 2:47:38.240 --> 2:47:44.160 people drop into frightening, you know. So the coronavirus coronavirus 2:47:44.280 --> 2:47:48.360 is technically it's not a plague, right because it's not bacteria. 2:47:48.640 --> 2:47:52.920 It's yeah, it's viral, but a lot of people a 2:47:52.959 --> 2:47:57.760 plague like it's it's it's both both both like viral 2:47:57.800 --> 2:48:01.280 pathogens bacterial pathogens are with with globalization, can spread it 2:48:01.400 --> 2:48:03.760 much faster, right, and now with global warming there's gonna 2:48:03.800 --> 2:48:07.360 be more breeding ground for literally new bacterias. And this 2:48:07.480 --> 2:48:09.280 is and with with stuff melting in the ice caps 2:48:09.320 --> 2:48:10.920 and all that kind of stuff. There's just a lot 2:48:11.000 --> 2:48:14.000 of reasons to just assume that, yeah, we're just gonna 2:48:14.080 --> 2:48:16.440 kind of live with plagues constantly being a problem now, 2:48:16.600 --> 2:48:19.080 Like it's that's just what they were there there There 2:48:19.600 --> 2:48:22.400 never is going to be a post COVID nineteen world, 2:48:22.840 --> 2:48:26.400 it's just this forever. COVID was just the first plague 2:48:26.480 --> 2:48:29.920 that really got through the defenses that we're never going 2:48:30.040 --> 2:48:32.120 to hold up to the damage we're doing to the climate. 2:48:33.520 --> 2:48:35.600 Like there were a couple of plagues beforehand that like 2:48:35.760 --> 2:48:37.560 we we were able to kind of tamp down on, 2:48:37.720 --> 2:48:40.160 get a lit on, and COVID was just the system 2:48:40.240 --> 2:48:43.440 actually finally shattering and it's never gonna get fixed and 2:48:43.520 --> 2:48:46.120 the plagues are just gonna get play gear and uh, 2:48:46.480 --> 2:48:49.360 it'll be fun. But on the other side, on the upside, 2:48:49.520 --> 2:48:55.360 here's some mats. Okay, Yeah, on the upside, capitalism we 2:48:55.480 --> 2:48:58.879 are back. I've I've unfortunately I've got to the point 2:48:58.920 --> 2:49:01.360 where I'm scrolling through these pictures where I have now 2:49:01.560 --> 2:49:06.920 found the mountain of dead animals. Yeah, it's real, fucking 2:49:07.000 --> 2:49:09.880 the stand ship. Yeah, it's a lot of them, a 2:49:09.959 --> 2:49:12.640 lot of them dead, just in giant pile. Like imagine 2:49:12.680 --> 2:49:17.360 the cutest Sesame Street character, cuter than snuffle uphagus, just 2:49:18.040 --> 2:49:20.880 lying in heaps. And that big nose has to make 2:49:20.959 --> 2:49:25.480 them extra vulnerable to fucking horrible nose bacteria. That's what 2:49:25.600 --> 2:49:32.480 we were just talking about. It's literally that's just what 2:49:32.640 --> 2:49:37.200 we said Katie just explained that I know, but it's 2:49:37.240 --> 2:49:40.240 so sad. It is very sad. It's very sad. And 2:49:40.520 --> 2:49:44.560 there there's this is not an isolated case that will 2:49:44.600 --> 2:49:49.080 never happen again. Researchers warm that it's very likely stuff 2:49:49.120 --> 2:49:51.960 like this will keep happening with climate change, and they're 2:49:52.000 --> 2:49:56.200 warning that reindeer populations are at risk because reindeer actually 2:49:56.240 --> 2:49:58.760 also have a really even though it doesn't seem like 2:49:58.840 --> 2:50:00.680 they have a huge boss, because they have a very 2:50:00.760 --> 2:50:05.680 impressive nose, it's very spacious. It also actually works like 2:50:05.920 --> 2:50:08.960 a little space heater and warms up the air as 2:50:09.400 --> 2:50:12.920 they breathe it in. It's pretty amazing. But those same 2:50:13.200 --> 2:50:17.080 characteristics that are so beneficial to the reindeer now could 2:50:17.200 --> 2:50:20.520 actually become very dangerous for them with climate change if 2:50:20.600 --> 2:50:25.119 this bacterial growth happens. So we're looking at potential um, 2:50:25.720 --> 2:50:29.320 you know, risk to reindeer population, and there's also a 2:50:29.400 --> 2:50:32.280 lot of risk to farm animals as well, like for 2:50:32.920 --> 2:50:37.720 something similar have to happen where this bacteria can infect 2:50:38.160 --> 2:50:44.320 farm animals like cows and other types of ungulate farm animals. Uh. 2:50:44.760 --> 2:50:48.000 And so you know, even if people don't care about 2:50:48.320 --> 2:50:51.360 the adorable psycha antelope, which I guess would be just 2:50:51.520 --> 2:50:57.720 psychopaths murders, you know. Uh, But like you know, we 2:50:57.879 --> 2:51:03.040 also have very important species like you know, reindeer that 2:51:03.160 --> 2:51:07.280 are keystone species, and also you know our farm animals 2:51:07.360 --> 2:51:10.080 that you know, Yeah, they're very important for a lot 2:51:10.120 --> 2:51:13.040 of people to basically how they live. Their lives are 2:51:13.040 --> 2:51:18.600 based around cultivating these animals and hunting and raising it. Yeah. Yeah, 2:51:18.800 --> 2:51:22.600 so I mean, in my opinion, every species, even if 2:51:23.040 --> 2:51:26.360 no matter how obscured it is, it is typically something 2:51:26.480 --> 2:51:28.560 very important for humans. It's just it's sort of the 2:51:28.680 --> 2:51:31.959 like seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon. It's like you don't 2:51:32.040 --> 2:51:35.240 have to get too far away to realize that Kevin Bacon, 2:51:35.720 --> 2:51:39.440 like his survival is really important to the planet. Um, 2:51:39.840 --> 2:51:42.720 except instead of Kevin Bacon, it's like any animal. And 2:51:42.840 --> 2:51:45.600 that is basically all animals and all ecosystems, no matter 2:51:45.720 --> 2:51:48.200 even if you feel like they're not super important. The 2:51:48.280 --> 2:51:51.600 way our world works and how he doesn't work, they're 2:51:51.600 --> 2:51:55.880 all incredibly intrinsic and reliant on each other. So even 2:51:56.240 --> 2:51:58.200 you know, that's that we're seeing stuff about like why 2:51:58.240 --> 2:52:01.600 don't we just like turn entire deserts into solar fields 2:52:01.640 --> 2:52:04.040 and be like, well, no, because the desert equistem actually 2:52:05.360 --> 2:52:07.520 like if they serves a very important purpose, Like you 2:52:07.600 --> 2:52:10.240 can't just be like, oh, deserts are important, Like no, 2:52:10.440 --> 2:52:13.280 like they have an actual equism that's actually very important 2:52:13.320 --> 2:52:15.560 to the surrounding areas. Okay, we can't just bulldoze it 2:52:15.600 --> 2:52:18.400 and turn into a solar just sand garrison, which is 2:52:18.520 --> 2:52:23.520 coarse and irritating, and it gets everywhere, It's everywhere? Is 2:52:23.560 --> 2:52:27.520 that an actual quote from from EPs episode two, Attack 2:52:27.560 --> 2:52:30.840 of the Clones by hearing Christensen playing Anakin skywalker the 2:52:30.920 --> 2:52:36.640 padawan with with the rat tail. Yeah, yeah, classic that. Yeah, 2:52:36.760 --> 2:52:39.520 his rat tail. Amazing. The courage they used to have, 2:52:40.280 --> 2:52:43.560 the courage of two three really stunning. Yeah. How could 2:52:43.600 --> 2:52:45.960 pat May not? How could she not want that? How 2:52:46.040 --> 2:52:49.360 could you resist? It's like that Ween song Every girl 2:52:49.480 --> 2:52:52.480 wants a guy with a rat tail. Yeah, I'm just 2:52:52.600 --> 2:52:54.480 assuming if that were a song, it would be by 2:52:54.520 --> 2:52:59.880 Ween called it's called a like a love lover. I 2:53:00.080 --> 2:53:07.360 think that's right, that's right. So what's up with these animals? Yeah? 2:53:08.720 --> 2:53:10.840 You want some more animals because I talked about how 2:53:11.000 --> 2:53:14.560 those animals mostly all died. Oh, I'm I'm just thinking, like, 2:53:14.640 --> 2:53:16.280 what's like, what's what like, do you know, like what's 2:53:16.280 --> 2:53:21.360 happened with them since they all dropped the thousand of 2:53:21.400 --> 2:53:27.160 them left alive? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're not currently all 2:53:27.240 --> 2:53:30.920 dying of this bacterial infection. Uh. I think like some 2:53:31.160 --> 2:53:34.760 of them are they apparently outside of the danger zone. 2:53:34.800 --> 2:53:39.040 I guess outside of the area where they're That's about 2:53:39.080 --> 2:53:42.400 the best you can say for any species. Some of 2:53:42.440 --> 2:53:46.240 them aren't the danger area occurred, but obviously that's going 2:53:46.280 --> 2:53:50.440 to change as global warming progresses. So yeah, it's a 2:53:50.640 --> 2:53:53.600 it's pretty grim. It's also I think, you know, obviously 2:53:53.680 --> 2:53:56.720 when you think about these things, humans obviously don't have 2:53:57.000 --> 2:53:59.480 like these big snuffle off a guess noses, which is 2:53:59.560 --> 2:54:02.200 really sad because I'm imagining us with it, and we're 2:54:02.680 --> 2:54:05.920 we'd all be dead, would all be dead? But really 2:54:06.200 --> 2:54:08.080 which would be better for the planet? So but we 2:54:08.320 --> 2:54:10.680 but we we would we would be way better at 2:54:10.680 --> 2:54:13.480 whaling jizz. And honestly, I feel like we would be 2:54:13.520 --> 2:54:17.360 whaling the hell out of some jizz one man, one 2:54:17.440 --> 2:54:20.240 can dream it would be nose deep in a big 2:54:20.320 --> 2:54:27.280 old pile of jes Oh wow, yeah, how would How 2:54:27.360 --> 2:54:36.160 does the Bible quantify jizz um cubits? Okay, that's what 2:54:36.280 --> 2:54:38.320 Noah said, but he wanted to get the Jews on 2:54:38.400 --> 2:54:46.600 the arc. Yeah, God's like us two jiz of every kind. Well, 2:54:46.680 --> 2:54:50.840 Noah was big into Now we're just like drawing that 2:54:51.000 --> 2:54:55.320 it was ever about music, all right, Sorry, Katie, No, 2:54:55.480 --> 2:55:01.480 that's all right, I asked, so, uh yeah, I mean 2:55:01.760 --> 2:55:04.240 I thought another thing we could talk about is how 2:55:05.400 --> 2:55:09.640 animal folklore is really important to pay attention to and 2:55:09.920 --> 2:55:14.400 to kind of listen to it as both information and 2:55:14.600 --> 2:55:20.000 warnings for the future. Um, because we often dismiss folklore 2:55:20.520 --> 2:55:23.160 as like, oh, you know, these are just spooky stories 2:55:23.360 --> 2:55:26.160 that we tell around the campfire. They're just legends, they 2:55:26.200 --> 2:55:29.640 don't mean anything. We're especially dismissive, I think when it 2:55:29.720 --> 2:55:33.039 comes to indigenous peoples. It's like, oh, your folklore, Oh 2:55:33.120 --> 2:55:35.840 that's so cute and quaint. But yeah, we listen to it. 2:55:36.000 --> 2:55:37.680 We we look at it as we we like really 2:55:37.760 --> 2:55:40.600 like infantilize it as like, oh, look at you primitive 2:55:40.680 --> 2:55:45.000 people still doing folklore, which is extremely extremely disrespectful and 2:55:45.160 --> 2:55:49.960 also like very naive about how things work when you 2:55:50.040 --> 2:55:53.560 look at how heavily engineered all of like the forests 2:55:53.760 --> 2:55:56.760 were in the entirety of the America's like from the 2:55:56.879 --> 2:55:59.200 Amazon of the up to the Pacific Northwest. It's a 2:55:59.240 --> 2:56:01.760 little like like the architect of a building comes in 2:56:01.840 --> 2:56:04.160 and says, hey, you can't knock out that retaining while 2:56:04.200 --> 2:56:06.080 the building is gonna collapse, and we're gonna be like, oh, 2:56:06.720 --> 2:56:11.039 Mr Architect with his magic walls, and then the building 2:56:11.120 --> 2:56:17.080 collapses on you know. There's there's a bunch of paintings. 2:56:17.120 --> 2:56:20.480 You're like, there's like these drawings from like this is 2:56:20.560 --> 2:56:23.600 like the early sixteen hundreds of of people like in 2:56:23.680 --> 2:56:25.960 North America, and and it will be these drawings. It's 2:56:25.959 --> 2:56:29.280 all these European guys standing on a tree and what 2:56:29.400 --> 2:56:31.880 they're watching is like it's it's one of one of 2:56:31.959 --> 2:56:35.120 the I forget exactly what tried this is. It's one 2:56:35.120 --> 2:56:37.000 of one of the people like they figured out how 2:56:37.040 --> 2:56:40.360 to have like a fire that's like it burns it 2:56:40.520 --> 2:56:43.600 like exactly, like like perfectly in this ring around the 2:56:43.640 --> 2:56:45.440 tree does not catch anything else inside of it. Like 2:56:45.959 --> 2:56:47.840 and it's funny because it's like you look at this 2:56:48.000 --> 2:56:52.400 and it's like okay, like the people, like the people 2:56:52.440 --> 2:56:55.959 who are drawing this painting cannot do this. And it's 2:56:56.000 --> 2:56:59.280 like it's very clear that they're just like incredibly befuddled 2:56:59.360 --> 2:57:01.520 by this, but like you know, and just it's it's 2:57:01.560 --> 2:57:04.040 just sitting there. And then all of the people who paint, 2:57:04.040 --> 2:57:05.880 who painted you, like, all the European artists who like 2:57:05.879 --> 2:57:08.440 do this each like no, no, not, it's fine. We 2:57:08.600 --> 2:57:11.720 don't know how they're doing this fire control stuff. But 2:57:12.560 --> 2:57:17.119 we're Europeans. Everything we every ignoring everything other people say 2:57:17.240 --> 2:57:19.320 is gonna go fine and great, and we're not gonna 2:57:19.440 --> 2:57:22.400 like turn half the country into a dust bowl. What 2:57:22.879 --> 2:57:24.800 do they got to teach us? We figured out how 2:57:24.840 --> 2:57:27.200 to make boats that only kill half the people on them, 2:57:29.400 --> 2:57:33.160 only half. I mean that, I mean that is a 2:57:33.200 --> 2:57:36.960 really good point. Uh. Controlled burns have been practiced by 2:57:37.040 --> 2:57:42.520 a number of civilizations for millennia, but when European settlers 2:57:42.640 --> 2:57:46.720 came and colonized North America were like controlled burns. But 2:57:47.080 --> 2:57:50.080 we want to sell the timber, and that sounds dangerous, 2:57:50.160 --> 2:57:54.560 so let us handle it. But this is all immortalized 2:57:54.680 --> 2:57:59.039 in the biographical song Timber Bye Bye pit Bull, which 2:57:59.160 --> 2:58:02.960 which which tell this story in in lyrical version please continue, 2:58:03.040 --> 2:58:06.560 and in uh, and in uh Timberland Boots, and in 2:58:06.640 --> 2:58:09.480 Timberland Boots. That's right. Every Timberland boot has a piece 2:58:09.520 --> 2:58:14.600 of the story. Yeah, and Timberwolves. The I'm gonna say 2:58:14.760 --> 2:58:20.520 hockey team. Yes, the hockey team is yeah. Okay, Yeah, 2:58:22.640 --> 2:58:26.760 Sophie is shaking your head. I'm sorry, Sophie. Minnesota Wolves 2:58:26.800 --> 2:58:33.040 are an NBA team. I'm sorry everyone you should be 2:58:34.360 --> 2:58:39.520 but yeah, I mean so. In North America, especially in California. Uh, 2:58:39.640 --> 2:58:44.200 Indigenous American tribes practice controlled burns for thousands and thousands 2:58:44.280 --> 2:58:47.880 of years. Uh. The europe Carrick and Hoopa tribes of 2:58:48.360 --> 2:58:54.080 California did controlled burns, which, in addition to preventing larger, 2:58:54.240 --> 2:58:58.520 more dangerous wildfires by getting grid of dead brush, it 2:58:58.680 --> 2:59:02.680 also promoted new growth of vegetation like really important plant 2:59:02.760 --> 2:59:07.080 species like oak and hazel. It even had unexpected effects 2:59:07.160 --> 2:59:10.640 like supporting the salmon population because as you did, these 2:59:10.720 --> 2:59:15.120 controlled burns created a block from the sun so that 2:59:15.280 --> 2:59:17.680 the ash clouds and then that would cool down the 2:59:17.760 --> 2:59:22.520 temperatures of the streams. And I know what you're thinking, that, Hey, 2:59:22.720 --> 2:59:26.000 to counter global warming, we should burn everything so that 2:59:26.240 --> 2:59:32.040 I cooled down. Um. The problem with burning everything like 2:59:32.200 --> 2:59:36.920 these uncontrolled burns is they also kill living vegetation. And 2:59:37.040 --> 2:59:39.800 it's just like it burns everything in sight and leaves 2:59:40.000 --> 2:59:43.240 basically nothing, and it burns off a huge amount of 2:59:43.280 --> 2:59:46.360 carbon stores. So the great thing about controlled burns is 2:59:46.440 --> 2:59:50.920 it very slowly burns off these carbon stores in this 2:59:51.120 --> 2:59:54.680 dead wood, and then it gives it time to regrow 2:59:55.000 --> 2:59:58.360 so that you recapture the carbon rather than than just 2:59:58.520 --> 3:00:01.000 like burning all this carbon at once, releasing it all 3:00:01.040 --> 3:00:03.800 at once, and then it's like trying to play catchup. 3:00:04.040 --> 3:00:06.440 It's like if you still like a little bit of 3:00:06.520 --> 3:00:08.560 milk on the table and you use a paper towel 3:00:08.879 --> 3:00:11.320 and wipe it up, it works. But if you just 3:00:11.440 --> 3:00:15.360 like pour out the entire milk jug on the table, uh, 3:00:15.680 --> 3:00:19.520 you know, on like a sloppy Saturday, just pouring out 3:00:19.560 --> 3:00:21.440 that milk, It's like a paper towel is not going 3:00:21.480 --> 3:00:25.800 to do anything. That's like trees and carbon. You know 3:00:25.800 --> 3:00:30.480 what I'm saying, Yes, yeah, I do, I do, I do. 3:00:30.840 --> 3:00:33.800 I do. Pick up what you are putting down. They say, 3:00:34.040 --> 3:00:37.480 although I still milk. Analogy, we should try a controlled 3:00:37.560 --> 3:00:43.240 burn on. Let's say Boston, see how it goes, right, 3:00:47.520 --> 3:00:50.120 didn't care for it. I didn't care for Boston. Don't 3:00:50.160 --> 3:00:53.680 see how we need it? Even North End? Yeah, yeah, 3:00:53.720 --> 3:00:56.600 I didn't care for it. M hm. They've got good 3:00:56.640 --> 3:00:59.080 canolis there, though I'm sure they do. You know where 3:00:59.120 --> 3:01:01.520 else has good canola? I don't because I don't care 3:01:01.600 --> 3:01:11.080 for cannoli's either. Okay, well, all right, that's uh. I'm 3:01:11.080 --> 3:01:13.160 actually living in Italy and so if they find out 3:01:13.160 --> 3:01:15.080 I've been on this podcast, I'm gonna get kicked out 3:01:15.080 --> 3:01:17.320 of the Oh you need to be yea very careful. 3:01:17.520 --> 3:01:20.840 It's filled with Italians. They're everywhere. If you can get 3:01:20.920 --> 3:01:23.000 up to the Alps, there might be some Swiss nearby 3:01:23.040 --> 3:01:27.240 who can protect you, but you're in dangerous territory. I 3:01:27.280 --> 3:01:30.200 didn't realize they're Italians here. That's scary. Yeah, it's one 3:01:30.240 --> 3:01:34.840 of the main problems that Italy has. Yeah so uh 3:01:35.000 --> 3:01:40.280 yeah so. But when basically um indigenous tribes had a 3:01:40.400 --> 3:01:43.600 pretty good system of controlled burns in California, and then 3:01:43.640 --> 3:01:46.920 when you know, colonizers came to North America, we were like, hey, 3:01:47.080 --> 3:01:49.560 stop that. In fact, we're gonna make it illegal to 3:01:49.640 --> 3:01:53.040 do controlled burns because that seems dangerous. And they focused 3:01:53.120 --> 3:01:57.560 on fire suppression and protection of timber stores rather than 3:01:58.160 --> 3:02:00.680 you know, paying attention to the way people had been 3:02:00.720 --> 3:02:03.080 doing this for thousands and thousands of years and how 3:02:03.120 --> 3:02:05.600 it kind of worked, and so they just thought like, hey, 3:02:05.680 --> 3:02:08.959 if we just stopped fires from ever happening, they'll never happen. 3:02:09.440 --> 3:02:13.480 But spoilers they just started happening still happen, and it's 3:02:13.560 --> 3:02:15.920 worse and they're out of control and they're big problems 3:02:16.000 --> 3:02:21.039 every year. And learned nothing, yep um. But another thing 3:02:21.360 --> 3:02:25.080 is that we could have learned about controlled burns much 3:02:25.200 --> 3:02:28.720 much earlier if we had decided to listen to the 3:02:28.920 --> 3:02:35.160 Aboriginal peoples in northern Australia. UM about fire hawks. So, 3:02:36.560 --> 3:02:40.440 fire hawks are raptors, that is, like birds of prey 3:02:40.560 --> 3:02:46.280 who seemed to either accidentally or intentionally spread wildfire by 3:02:46.400 --> 3:02:50.160 picking up smoldering twigs and sticks from a burning area 3:02:50.720 --> 3:02:55.039 and dropping them elsewhere. And then once they start that fire, 3:02:55.600 --> 3:02:59.400 they watch for all the little scared mice and rodents 3:02:59.520 --> 3:03:03.000 and lizards and just feast upon the fleeing animals. It's 3:03:03.560 --> 3:03:09.560 extremely metal. It does sound like that does sound very fun? Yeah, uh. 3:03:09.680 --> 3:03:15.119 And so research published in twenty eighteen UH detailed about 3:03:15.200 --> 3:03:19.120 how three species of birds of prey in Australia seemed 3:03:19.200 --> 3:03:21.640 to do this. But of course this is not news 3:03:21.959 --> 3:03:27.400 because Aboriginal people's have known about this for thousands and 3:03:27.480 --> 3:03:32.040 thousands of years and have documented this in their own folklore. 3:03:32.520 --> 3:03:37.360 There's uh even a ceremony called Yabadrua in which people 3:03:37.760 --> 3:03:43.320 act out birds carrying smoldering branches, which sounds amazing, but 3:03:43.560 --> 3:03:47.480 essentially they are teaching this uh sort of naturalist history 3:03:47.720 --> 3:03:53.199 of sorry of how they have seen these uh, these hawks, 3:03:53.280 --> 3:03:57.440 these firehawks carrying these burning sticks and distributing it. And 3:03:58.000 --> 3:04:00.800 if this, if we had listened to this, you know, earlier, 3:04:00.879 --> 3:04:04.800 we may have had more research on how you know, 3:04:05.560 --> 3:04:11.000 maybe these birds of prey have been terriforming the Australian 3:04:11.080 --> 3:04:14.320 out back for thousands and thousands of years and that's 3:04:14.360 --> 3:04:17.720 really cool and it may be really informative. But unfortunately 3:04:17.800 --> 3:04:20.480 we kind of really only decided to start researching in 3:04:21.840 --> 3:04:26.120 and those researchers started doing it because they listened to, uh, 3:04:26.240 --> 3:04:34.120 these stories from the Aboriginal people. So yeah, yeah, I 3:04:34.160 --> 3:04:37.080 feel like everyone should. I feel like everyone should be 3:04:37.320 --> 3:04:43.640 more okay with understanding why folklore exists and what propose 3:04:43.680 --> 3:04:46.840 it serves. This is this, This is something I got 3:04:46.920 --> 3:04:51.959 into years ago because of the because of the Lower podcast, 3:04:52.160 --> 3:04:56.960 learning about just how folklore influences culture and politics and 3:04:56.959 --> 3:04:59.040 a whole bunch of really interesting and weird ways, and 3:04:59.600 --> 3:05:02.160 that it's thing I wanted to talk about more because 3:05:02.280 --> 3:05:05.400 it's it's a thing, and folklore is different for us 3:05:05.480 --> 3:05:08.039 now in terms of how we have like a cultural stories, 3:05:08.360 --> 3:05:10.360 but it's it's it's still the same it's still the 3:05:10.400 --> 3:05:12.240 same purpose, and we just kind of deny it in 3:05:12.280 --> 3:05:17.080 a way that is kind of silly. Yep. Yeah, I 3:05:17.160 --> 3:05:19.920 think there's often this idea of there is a clear 3:05:20.040 --> 3:05:24.360 distinction between fact and folklore, and while it's true, like 3:05:24.440 --> 3:05:29.720 we can't necessarily just take folklore for at its exact word, 3:05:29.879 --> 3:05:32.320 because like it's sort of like a telephone game throughout 3:05:32.400 --> 3:05:34.800 years and years. Folklore is going to take on new 3:05:34.920 --> 3:05:38.440 shapes every generation. But we really should take it seriously 3:05:38.600 --> 3:05:42.280 as a part of very important data set of like 3:05:42.400 --> 3:05:46.480 this is human observational history. Maybe some of it has 3:05:46.560 --> 3:05:50.720 been sort of uh turned into myth, but a lot 3:05:50.800 --> 3:05:55.000 of it could be genuine observation that people are relaying 3:05:55.080 --> 3:05:58.840 over many, many generations, which I think is really important. Well, 3:05:59.040 --> 3:06:04.959 thank you Katie Golden for talking about those those very 3:06:05.080 --> 3:06:08.320 silly gonzo things that are unfortunately dropping dead at the 3:06:08.360 --> 3:06:12.920 little Gonzo climate change genocide, and then and then the 3:06:13.000 --> 3:06:15.440 other climate change issues are on in folklore. Um where 3:06:15.560 --> 3:06:23.000 where can people find you on the old internet in interwebs? Yeah, 3:06:24.080 --> 3:06:27.520 I got a podcast. I don't know if you've heard 3:06:27.560 --> 3:06:30.920 about those. Uh, it's called Creature Feature. And I talk 3:06:30.959 --> 3:06:34.240 about stuff like this all the time about animals. It's 3:06:34.280 --> 3:06:37.640 not always about animals dying in horrible ways, but sometimes 3:06:37.720 --> 3:06:41.280 it is a mix. You know, It's like sometimes animals 3:06:41.800 --> 3:06:46.160 being alive, sometimes animals being dead. Sometimes some animals making 3:06:46.240 --> 3:06:51.600 other animals dead and interesting animals. Yeah, you can never 3:06:51.720 --> 3:06:55.360 predict them. Uh. And you know, uh, you can find 3:06:55.400 --> 3:06:57.680 me on Twitter at Katie Golden. That's ka E T 3:06:58.040 --> 3:07:01.040 I E G O L D I. N Uh yeah 3:07:01.200 --> 3:07:04.480 where I just you know, just posted on the Twitter. 3:07:05.920 --> 3:07:11.279 Do you want to creature future? Find Katie on Twitter 3:07:12.120 --> 3:07:37.680 and uh shoplift. Sure it's it's spook all right. I 3:07:37.800 --> 3:07:40.800 didn't so if I'm done for the day, taking taking 3:07:40.840 --> 3:07:48.920 the rest off by apparently have a we sure do. Uh. 3:07:49.120 --> 3:07:52.480 So you know, normally this is a show about collapse, 3:07:52.600 --> 3:07:55.080 all that good stuff, YadA, YadA YadA, But fucking it's 3:07:55.120 --> 3:07:57.879 Halloween week, so we're we're we're we're we're making sure 3:07:57.879 --> 3:07:59.280 all of our stuff has a little bit of an 3:07:59.320 --> 3:08:02.160 extra spook you twist. It's like when you you make 3:08:02.200 --> 3:08:05.120 a martini and you decide to actually put vermouth inside it, 3:08:05.200 --> 3:08:08.000 as opposed to just kind of waving it nearby. That's 3:08:08.000 --> 3:08:10.840 what we're doing this week, with spookiness being the vermouth 3:08:11.520 --> 3:08:18.800 and mixing up our martini. Today is Margaret Killjoy, Margaret, Hello, Hello, 3:08:19.000 --> 3:08:22.840 I'm a famous mixologist, so clearly this will be very good. Now, 3:08:23.080 --> 3:08:26.800 Margaret today, for this very special episode of it could 3:08:26.879 --> 3:08:31.040 happen here on spooky Week. You have written us while 3:08:31.080 --> 3:08:33.120 you've written a short story, and you're going to read 3:08:33.160 --> 3:08:36.480 it and and and we're all gonna enjoy it. Is 3:08:36.560 --> 3:08:40.320 that is that accurate? Um? I hope at least I can. 3:08:40.400 --> 3:08:42.440 I can testify to the first parts, and I hope 3:08:42.440 --> 3:08:46.120 for the last part. Excellent. All right, Well, with without 3:08:46.240 --> 3:08:49.800 further ado or with minimal further ado, let's uh, let's 3:08:49.879 --> 3:08:54.240 let's let's you know, with the with the stuff, with stuff, Margaret, 3:08:54.400 --> 3:08:56.640 with this stuff. Well, this is great because this is 3:08:56.680 --> 3:09:00.400 actually a short story that you start reading of ship. Yeah, 3:09:00.440 --> 3:09:03.400 where's that link? You tasted it to me, but I 3:09:03.440 --> 3:09:05.960 don't have my phone on me. Okay, let me put 3:09:06.000 --> 3:09:10.840 it in the chat here um based impressive, to say 3:09:10.920 --> 3:09:16.680 the least, based in fiction, pilled Okay, I start reading 3:09:16.720 --> 3:09:20.520 the italics. Yeah, it's the first couple of paragraphs of introduction, 3:09:20.640 --> 3:09:25.400 and you're you're interviewing me, alright, motherfucker's let's get it started. 3:09:26.440 --> 3:09:30.720 The Northern Host, for all its lingering, horror and misery, 3:09:30.840 --> 3:09:32.720 the wake of a war is rich to reign for 3:09:32.800 --> 3:09:37.359 a folklorist like myself. More people report more supernatural experiences 3:09:37.480 --> 3:09:40.160 during times of war than times of peace. Some of 3:09:40.240 --> 3:09:42.680 my peers have argued the stress and shock of battle 3:09:42.760 --> 3:09:46.640 leaves our brains more susceptible to mass delusion. Others claim 3:09:46.720 --> 3:09:49.600 that the veil between worlds remains thin when so many 3:09:49.680 --> 3:09:53.199 are passing from life to death. The Second American Civil 3:09:53.280 --> 3:09:57.360 War has been no exception. Most famously, of course, soldiers 3:09:57.440 --> 3:09:59.720 from each of the three armies present at the fifteen 3:09:59.800 --> 3:10:02.600 day Siege of Saint Louis reported a wailing man who 3:10:02.680 --> 3:10:06.000 walked among the wounded, healing some and ending the lives 3:10:06.040 --> 3:10:09.640 of others. On the Cascadian Front, rebel forces spoke of 3:10:09.760 --> 3:10:12.640 black bears who in effect stood sentry for their guerrilla 3:10:12.720 --> 3:10:16.440 positions during the White Army's occupation of Washington, d C. 3:10:17.000 --> 3:10:20.720 Civilians and soldiers alike reported apparitions pouring out from the 3:10:20.800 --> 3:10:24.760 Pentagon Crater every New Moon. Of all the various myths 3:10:24.840 --> 3:10:26.680 and legends to spring up in the wake of the 3:10:26.760 --> 3:10:30.600 recent conflict, however, I find myself most strongly drawn to 3:10:30.680 --> 3:10:33.520 the stories of the Northern host. Never have I heard 3:10:33.560 --> 3:10:36.160 a myth recounted in such detail by such a wide 3:10:36.240 --> 3:10:40.240 variety of people. My favorite telling comes from Private Sarah 3:10:40.280 --> 3:10:43.880 Dollar in the Battle of Asheville. This interview was recorded 3:10:43.879 --> 3:10:46.520 in the spring of twenty thirty five and lightly edited 3:10:46.600 --> 3:10:49.400 for clarity with permission of the subject. Note that the 3:10:49.440 --> 3:10:53.000 subject refers to the White Army by pejoratives throughout. These 3:10:53.080 --> 3:10:57.360 have been left intact for the historical record. Could you 3:10:57.520 --> 3:11:01.280 introduce yourself and tell me what you saw. Yeah, My 3:11:01.560 --> 3:11:03.840 my name is Sarah Daher. I'm thirty one years old. 3:11:04.080 --> 3:11:06.000 I live in Asheville, in the Appalachian region of the 3:11:06.080 --> 3:11:09.440 United States of America, on stolen Cherokee land. My U 3:11:09.560 --> 3:11:12.520 S military rank was private. They made us all privates 3:11:12.520 --> 3:11:15.320 when they incorporated the irregulars into the army, But I 3:11:15.400 --> 3:11:17.360 only served in the Union to fight the White Army 3:11:18.120 --> 3:11:20.480 a year later. I'm one of those crazy radicals who 3:11:20.520 --> 3:11:24.480 doesn't think the reconfiguration goes far enough. I never fired 3:11:24.520 --> 3:11:26.240 a gun in my life before the Irregulars, and I 3:11:26.360 --> 3:11:29.400 hope I never fire another one again. By temperament, I'm 3:11:29.440 --> 3:11:32.360 neither a lover nor a fighter, just your average trans 3:11:32.440 --> 3:11:35.840 girl who likes cats and hates Nazis. I fought in 3:11:35.920 --> 3:11:40.080 three engagements in Weaverville, Leicester, and Asheville. I think I 3:11:40.200 --> 3:11:43.200 killed two people. One of them I know I killed him. 3:11:43.240 --> 3:11:45.400 I saw him bleed out and I saw him taken 3:11:45.440 --> 3:11:48.080 away in a black bag. The other person was a 3:11:48.120 --> 3:11:50.560 man I shot in the thigh during the Battle of Asheville. 3:11:51.280 --> 3:11:53.360 I didn't know you could die from a bullet in 3:11:53.400 --> 3:11:55.160 the thigh, but I've spent a lot of time looking 3:11:55.200 --> 3:11:58.119 at casualty records, and someone who fit that man's general 3:11:58.160 --> 3:12:00.760 description died in that battle. From all it to the thigh. 3:12:01.879 --> 3:12:07.240 Does that bother you? Yes? No, I don't know. I 3:12:07.280 --> 3:12:09.360 don't lose sleep over it, but I think about it 3:12:09.440 --> 3:12:11.800 a lot. I look at the docks on both of them. 3:12:11.959 --> 3:12:14.320 The first guy was a true believer, a real blood 3:12:14.400 --> 3:12:17.080 and soil type, It doesn't bother me that I mingled 3:12:17.120 --> 3:12:20.560 those two things for him. The second man, though, I'm 3:12:20.600 --> 3:12:23.400 not so sure he signed up because his son signed up. 3:12:23.879 --> 3:12:25.720 I don't have any kids myself, but I could see 3:12:25.760 --> 3:12:29.720 myself doing that. His son survived the war. Have you 3:12:29.840 --> 3:12:32.800 been in contact with his son now? Funk That guy 3:12:32.920 --> 3:12:34.520 that kids a fucking Nazi, and I don't know how 3:12:34.520 --> 3:12:37.600 he talked his way out of the tribunals. Can you 3:12:37.720 --> 3:12:40.000 tell me what you saw at the Battle of Asheville. 3:12:41.560 --> 3:12:44.280 This was during the Fascist Spring Offensive last year, you know, 3:12:44.560 --> 3:12:48.200 Hitler's birthday April. By that point, the White Army was 3:12:48.200 --> 3:12:50.400 pretty much done, but they weren't about to go down 3:12:50.480 --> 3:12:53.720 without doing some major symbolic damage. So there were about 3:12:53.760 --> 3:12:56.560 forty of us, all irregulars, with our own commanders, no 3:12:56.760 --> 3:12:59.960 army oversight. Morale was down. We felt pretty a band 3:13:00.080 --> 3:13:03.160 and common sentiment in the South. I was on the 3:13:03.240 --> 3:13:06.600 street out in front of the library, walking rounds. Downtown 3:13:06.720 --> 3:13:09.840 was half rubble at that point. Only the library was standing, 3:13:09.920 --> 3:13:13.000 because symbols matter and all that bullshit. So that's where 3:13:13.040 --> 3:13:16.880 we were making a stand. Neither side had artillery really 3:13:16.920 --> 3:13:19.600 by that point, the brass had just commandeered even our 3:13:19.680 --> 3:13:23.160 RPGs for the quote real fight. Air support wasn't coming, 3:13:23.240 --> 3:13:25.920 not for them and not for us. Really, the Battle 3:13:26.000 --> 3:13:28.240 of Ashville was was like nothing to the rest of 3:13:28.320 --> 3:13:31.720 the world, and we knew it. So I was doing 3:13:31.760 --> 3:13:34.440 the rounds, thinking about my ship luck, thinking maybe I 3:13:34.520 --> 3:13:36.440 was going to die, and how so many people had died, 3:13:36.480 --> 3:13:38.560 and what's another dead girl to add to the pile. 3:13:39.240 --> 3:13:41.000 I was thinking about how at least this dead girl 3:13:41.120 --> 3:13:43.680 is going to die surrounded by or in defense of books. 3:13:44.920 --> 3:13:47.240 And then I heard dogs from around the side of 3:13:47.280 --> 3:13:50.320 the building. One barked loud and near, the other sort 3:13:50.360 --> 3:13:53.360 of distant and echoy. I went to check it out, 3:13:53.480 --> 3:13:56.680 turned the corner and there was this naked guy. He 3:13:56.800 --> 3:13:59.480 was pale as hell, tall, tattooed and scarred, and like 3:13:59.560 --> 3:14:02.520 I said, was naked as the sun. I stared at him, 3:14:03.080 --> 3:14:05.720 he stared at me. I got so distracted trying to 3:14:05.760 --> 3:14:07.200 figure him out that it took me a moment to 3:14:07.240 --> 3:14:09.959 realize there were nine others behind him, or maybe they 3:14:10.000 --> 3:14:13.280 weren't there at first, I don't know. Most of them 3:14:13.320 --> 3:14:16.400 were men, mostly of the tall Norse looking variety, but 3:14:16.440 --> 3:14:19.240 there was a Middle Eastern man and three women, including 3:14:19.320 --> 3:14:22.800 one who by my read was Latin X no dogs 3:14:22.840 --> 3:14:25.520 anywhere that I could see. The man closest to me 3:14:25.640 --> 3:14:27.520 he asked me something in the language I didn't know. 3:14:28.240 --> 3:14:30.840 I just kind of stared. He asked me another question 3:14:30.959 --> 3:14:36.039 in another language. What I asked? Who are you? Who 3:14:36.120 --> 3:14:38.880 are we fighting? He asked? His accent was thick, and 3:14:38.920 --> 3:14:41.080 I couldn't place it for the life of me. I mean, 3:14:41.200 --> 3:14:43.480 I know now, but I sure ship didn't know it 3:14:43.560 --> 3:14:47.280 then we. I asked what I was due back out front, 3:14:47.320 --> 3:14:49.040 because I was a century doing the rounds and this 3:14:49.360 --> 3:14:51.640 sure needed reporting. But what the hell was I going 3:14:51.680 --> 3:14:55.280 to tell? People? Who are we fighting? Where are we? 3:14:56.320 --> 3:15:00.560 You're in Asheville? Who are you? Ah? The American conflict, 3:15:00.600 --> 3:15:04.480 the man said behind him. Others nodded. Their movements were sloppy, 3:15:04.680 --> 3:15:08.280 dream like they were drunk. I later realized one of 3:15:08.320 --> 3:15:10.600 them had dried blood running down from her lip onto 3:15:10.640 --> 3:15:14.280 her not in substantial belly. You're fighting the nationalists, the 3:15:14.360 --> 3:15:18.120 first one said, We're here to help you. Who are you, 3:15:18.360 --> 3:15:22.080 I asked this third time. He actually answered, My name 3:15:22.160 --> 3:15:24.320 is Bell Gear. We are the dead. We are the 3:15:24.360 --> 3:15:27.800 inn here from Valhalla. Every day we are sent to 3:15:27.840 --> 3:15:31.440 a battle to fight, and we die. The others behind 3:15:31.560 --> 3:15:36.600 him nodded, definitely drunk. Now, I know there were good 3:15:36.680 --> 3:15:38.880 folks on our side who were into European paganism, but 3:15:38.959 --> 3:15:40.480 you have to understand that a lot more of the 3:15:40.520 --> 3:15:43.400 fashion were into that ship than anybody else. If they 3:15:43.600 --> 3:15:46.160 hadn't been naked and drunk, I might have mistaken them 3:15:46.200 --> 3:15:50.320 for the enemy and shot them Valhalla, I said, reciting 3:15:50.360 --> 3:15:53.520 the tiny bit. I knew that's where Vikings go if 3:15:53.560 --> 3:15:56.520 they die in battle, feast every day and fight every 3:15:56.640 --> 3:15:59.520 night in Odin's hall until the end of the world, 3:15:59.560 --> 3:16:02.720 where you also fight and die but wolf feeds the 3:16:02.760 --> 3:16:07.400 sun or something close enough. Belgar said. I mean, Odin 3:16:07.520 --> 3:16:09.720 only gets half the battle dead, and Viking isn't a 3:16:09.760 --> 3:16:13.600 good name for us. But sure, and you're here because 3:16:14.440 --> 3:16:16.960 we are to take arms alongside you, fight your enemies 3:16:17.120 --> 3:16:21.560 and die today, and are going to die today. Only 3:16:21.640 --> 3:16:25.320 the seers and the gods know that. I've been calling 3:16:25.400 --> 3:16:27.280 myself a witch half of my life, but honestly that 3:16:27.360 --> 3:16:29.959 was mostly because I like taro and astrology and panagrams 3:16:30.000 --> 3:16:32.640 and ship I've never been someone who took the supernatural 3:16:32.720 --> 3:16:35.480 all that seriously. But nothing in the world made sense 3:16:35.520 --> 3:16:38.200 like it used to. Fascists had just been driven out 3:16:38.200 --> 3:16:40.640 of d C. Cascadia had not only succeeded, but was 3:16:40.720 --> 3:16:43.200 in a civil war of its own. Now Mexico was 3:16:43.280 --> 3:16:45.680 gone and replaced by self governing states of almost every 3:16:45.720 --> 3:16:49.040 stripe in the political rainbow. China had backed white supremacists 3:16:49.040 --> 3:16:51.800 and other nationalist types in an American civil war, and 3:16:52.040 --> 3:16:55.360 antigovernment leftists were fighting alongside weirdos like me in the 3:16:55.480 --> 3:16:58.600 damn u s Army. I can't say those things were 3:16:58.840 --> 3:17:01.560 as weird as naked dead don't call us vikings talking 3:17:01.600 --> 3:17:04.000 to me in the street. But somehow all of that 3:17:04.120 --> 3:17:08.240 was just comparably bizarre. Come let us arm ourselves and 3:17:08.320 --> 3:17:11.640 fight together. You and I belger said. So that's how 3:17:11.680 --> 3:17:14.040 I met the Northern host. Most people don't believe me, 3:17:14.120 --> 3:17:16.119 assume it was just some kind of drunk wing nuts, 3:17:16.480 --> 3:17:19.200 maybe some irregulars I've never met before. But I saw 3:17:19.320 --> 3:17:21.360 what I saw, and I believe it. The rest of 3:17:21.440 --> 3:17:25.000 us who survived they saw it too. And how did 3:17:25.080 --> 3:17:28.760 it go? Yeah, pardon the battle? How did it go? 3:17:30.120 --> 3:17:32.400 We got the iron here yard into irregular's garb and 3:17:32.520 --> 3:17:35.039 armed them. There were plenty of guns at that point 3:17:35.520 --> 3:17:39.560 in the forgotten hellhole up front, Bullets not so much, 3:17:39.680 --> 3:17:42.960 but plenty of guns. They were all comfortable with firearms. 3:17:43.000 --> 3:17:44.960 The one fellow groused about what he wouldn't do for 3:17:45.000 --> 3:17:47.720 an axe and shield, and another said what we had 3:17:47.879 --> 3:17:50.480 was fine, but monofilament web guns were better than any 3:17:50.520 --> 3:17:53.840 combat shotgun. To hear them, tell it, funk it. Why 3:17:53.840 --> 3:17:56.000 am I pretending like I don't believe them. I believe 3:17:56.040 --> 3:17:57.560 them with every bit of my soul, and damn what 3:17:57.680 --> 3:17:59.480 people think of me for it. The Northern Host fight 3:17:59.600 --> 3:18:01.880 every night, and every night they are at a different 3:18:01.920 --> 3:18:04.600 time and place. Most battles in human history were in 3:18:04.640 --> 3:18:08.000 the past, they said, which sounds optimistic, doesn't it. But 3:18:08.080 --> 3:18:09.760 they said they fought in every century up to the 3:18:11.320 --> 3:18:16.080 Nothing happens after the century Ragnarok, most likely the end 3:18:16.080 --> 3:18:17.800 of the world, wolves eating the sun and the moon. 3:18:17.920 --> 3:18:21.800 All that. They stood guard out with me out front. 3:18:22.280 --> 3:18:24.920 Around midday we got hit with an e MP. We 3:18:25.040 --> 3:18:27.000 knew that was coming. It didn't screw us up much. 3:18:27.080 --> 3:18:29.560 We had a hardened phone in the basement, and all 3:18:29.600 --> 3:18:31.760 our weapons operated just as well, and dumb mode a 3:18:31.840 --> 3:18:35.840 smart mode, including our own e MPs. The White army 3:18:35.879 --> 3:18:38.800 showed up, maybe a hundred men, all men. That's their 3:18:38.800 --> 3:18:41.080 whole stick. They came in on motorcycles and a t 3:18:41.160 --> 3:18:44.640 v s and horses. More stick. Like a fucking folksy 3:18:44.720 --> 3:18:46.880 they are. We hit them with the m e mp 3:18:47.040 --> 3:18:48.920 s anyway, level the field, took out the A t 3:18:49.040 --> 3:18:52.480 v s. The bikes were retrofitted, no electric and a horse. 3:18:52.640 --> 3:18:55.600 You can't impel horse. I don't know if there was 3:18:55.640 --> 3:18:57.680 a skirmish in that war that didn't start with both 3:18:57.720 --> 3:19:00.280 sides ritually knocking the other one back to Basely the 3:19:00.320 --> 3:19:03.360 twentieth century, I think the tactical E m P is 3:19:03.400 --> 3:19:06.640 the reason there's anything left of this country. We took 3:19:06.680 --> 3:19:08.520 a few pot shots while they were still at range, 3:19:08.560 --> 3:19:10.640 but we didn't have the AMMO to waste on anything else. 3:19:11.120 --> 3:19:13.920 I don't think we did any damage. They took up 3:19:13.959 --> 3:19:15.840 position further up the hill and the ruins of the 3:19:15.879 --> 3:19:20.760 old Basilica. Then we waited. We should have mined the church. 3:19:21.480 --> 3:19:23.600 That old thing was blown half to ship. Anyway, it 3:19:23.600 --> 3:19:25.520 wouldn't have made the world any worse if we'd either 3:19:25.640 --> 3:19:29.560 leveled it or hidden explosives throughout. But you know, ethical 3:19:29.720 --> 3:19:33.320 war or whatever, don't mind churches. The other side leveled 3:19:33.360 --> 3:19:36.360 every mosques, synagogue and quote heretic church they got their 3:19:36.360 --> 3:19:39.080 hands on, not to mention libraries and universities and even 3:19:39.080 --> 3:19:42.320 the goddamn Statue of Liberty because they had immigrants. But 3:19:42.480 --> 3:19:44.840 we were supposed to be fighting a quote ethical war. 3:19:45.600 --> 3:19:48.640 Those two words don't got nothing to do with one another, 3:19:48.800 --> 3:19:51.680 and everyone knows it. So they hold up in the 3:19:51.720 --> 3:19:53.840 basilica and we pulled back into the library and we 3:19:53.920 --> 3:19:56.400 had one of those good old fashioned standoffs where people 3:19:56.480 --> 3:20:00.680 die slowly from sniper fire and everything is awful. That's 3:20:00.720 --> 3:20:03.440 when Laura got shot right in the head because we 3:20:03.520 --> 3:20:05.640 missed a spot when we bullet proof of the facade. 3:20:06.240 --> 3:20:09.640 She's dead. She had natural red hair, but she always 3:20:09.680 --> 3:20:12.040 died at redder and her favorite show was Buffy the 3:20:12.120 --> 3:20:14.320 Vampire Slayer, and she liked to drink water out of 3:20:14.360 --> 3:20:18.600 long stem glasses. She was I think she was thirty seven, 3:20:19.200 --> 3:20:24.280 way past rafting age. She volunteered. It was her first engagement. 3:20:24.879 --> 3:20:27.960 She was only there because she loved books, had plenty 3:20:28.000 --> 3:20:30.000 of time to avoid looking at her corpse while she 3:20:30.120 --> 3:20:32.920 was in there with us. Dead. Dwight was another one 3:20:32.920 --> 3:20:35.080 of my friends in the unit. One of my favorite people, 3:20:35.160 --> 3:20:37.760 hands down, total weirdo, and he was all obsessed with 3:20:37.840 --> 3:20:40.720 that Viking ship in Dark Ages in general. Both his 3:20:40.800 --> 3:20:42.920 parents had come over from Sweden, though his dad was 3:20:43.000 --> 3:20:46.560 originally from Nigeria. Dwight had one degree in medieval studies 3:20:46.560 --> 3:20:48.800 in another in African history, and I I can't tell 3:20:48.840 --> 3:20:51.040 you how many times during basic he'd run down the 3:20:51.080 --> 3:20:53.960 details of this or that ancient battle, whether in Europe 3:20:54.040 --> 3:20:56.800 or Africa. If there were guns involved, he didn't care 3:20:56.840 --> 3:20:58.560 about it, but if there were swords in armor or 3:20:58.640 --> 3:21:02.080 spears and shields, he was all in. He started talking 3:21:02.120 --> 3:21:04.600 to the Vikings. First thing. He was the first person 3:21:04.680 --> 3:21:07.360 to believe them, to to really believe them, and his 3:21:07.440 --> 3:21:10.600 faith was contagious. While we were pinned down, he asked 3:21:10.640 --> 3:21:15.160 them everything. Mostly they were quiet, even taciturn, But there 3:21:15.240 --> 3:21:17.960 was one thing they were very insistent on, and that 3:21:18.280 --> 3:21:22.080 I overheard them talking about Nazis. Don't go to Valhalla. 3:21:22.959 --> 3:21:25.680 But why not? Dwight asked, It takes two things to 3:21:25.720 --> 3:21:28.520 go to Valhalla. The spokesperson said, you have to die 3:21:28.560 --> 3:21:31.360 in battle and you have to venerate Odin. A bunch 3:21:31.400 --> 3:21:34.440 of those fuckers are oldness, he said, no, they aren't 3:21:34.920 --> 3:21:38.040 their nationalist, fascist, racial separatists. They're all kinds of things, 3:21:38.400 --> 3:21:41.640 but they don't venerate Odin. Whatever they think, What do 3:21:41.720 --> 3:21:44.640 you mean? They only know one half of Odin. They 3:21:44.680 --> 3:21:48.520 know the masculine side, the heterosexual side, the Christian side. 3:21:48.920 --> 3:21:52.000 They worship a bastardization of our God, a bastardization first 3:21:52.080 --> 3:21:55.440 created by a nationalist Christian eight hundred years ago that's 3:21:55.480 --> 3:21:59.480 only gotten further afield since our Odin practices women's magic, 3:21:59.560 --> 3:22:03.720 the magic of these sexually penetrated. We also worshiped female 3:22:03.760 --> 3:22:05.720 gods of war, and male gods of the hearth, and 3:22:05.800 --> 3:22:08.920 gods who change their gender when they're board. Nazis don't 3:22:09.000 --> 3:22:13.120 understand that any of it. In life, we raided, sometimes traded, 3:22:13.200 --> 3:22:15.680 other times. We also did all sorts of things that 3:22:15.720 --> 3:22:19.360 won't fit your modern sensibilities, things that were I alive 3:22:19.520 --> 3:22:22.360 you might kill me for. But we're not Nazis, and 3:22:22.440 --> 3:22:25.119 people who worship a Christian version of our God most 3:22:25.160 --> 3:22:29.240 certainly do not go to Valhalla. It was as if 3:22:29.280 --> 3:22:31.360 the man had used up every word allotted to him 3:22:31.360 --> 3:22:33.520 for the day, because I don't believe a one of 3:22:33.600 --> 3:22:37.120 them spoke again before the battle began In earnest and 3:22:37.280 --> 3:22:41.720 how long was that another hour? Maybe the sun was 3:22:41.800 --> 3:22:45.080 still right overhead when the White Army rushed us. It 3:22:45.200 --> 3:22:48.400 was a bullshit move, rushing us one part over confidence 3:22:48.400 --> 3:22:51.480 in one part desperation. If you can imagine that they 3:22:51.560 --> 3:22:53.760 knew they were losing the war at that point, but 3:22:53.840 --> 3:22:55.800 they had us more than two to one, and we 3:22:55.920 --> 3:22:58.680 all know that KKK commanders don't give two ships about 3:22:58.680 --> 3:23:01.240 the lives of their men. That's when I put a 3:23:01.280 --> 3:23:03.720 bullet on a man's leg while he was in the 3:23:03.840 --> 3:23:07.000 street running. It was a good shot. He was running, 3:23:07.240 --> 3:23:09.800 and I led the target. In everything, I've been aiming 3:23:09.879 --> 3:23:12.600 for center body mass, but but still at least a 3:23:12.680 --> 3:23:15.040 hundred yards against a moving target. I was proud of 3:23:15.120 --> 3:23:17.640 that shot at the time, on a technical level, even 3:23:17.680 --> 3:23:19.360 if I'm not sure i'm proud of it any more 3:23:19.520 --> 3:23:22.959 now that I know the man's name. We expected the charge. 3:23:23.320 --> 3:23:25.560 What we didn't expect was the ordinance that knocked the 3:23:25.640 --> 3:23:28.960 reinforced front off its hinges. But that happened, and almost 3:23:28.959 --> 3:23:30.959 all the fighting happened right there on the first floor, 3:23:31.040 --> 3:23:33.800 among the empty shelves. The whole thing felt like it 3:23:33.920 --> 3:23:37.200 lasted half an hour. I've looked it up, since from 3:23:37.240 --> 3:23:38.880 the time of the first blast of the time the 3:23:38.959 --> 3:23:41.800 last shot was fired, we're talking about three minutes and 3:23:41.879 --> 3:23:45.520 twelve seconds. We thought they were going to pour in 3:23:45.640 --> 3:23:47.600 through the door after they blew at the funk off. 3:23:48.000 --> 3:23:50.439 So James got in there with our one functioning automatic 3:23:50.480 --> 3:23:52.039 and he took at least ten of the fash down 3:23:52.120 --> 3:23:54.840 with him before someone got him in the neck. It 3:23:55.000 --> 3:23:56.480 was a faint and they blew a hole in the 3:23:56.520 --> 3:23:58.880 side of the building. Well, well that was going on, 3:23:59.080 --> 3:24:01.680 and that's where they got in close quarters combat as 3:24:01.680 --> 3:24:04.800 a whole different beast, a worse one, maybe maybe a 3:24:04.879 --> 3:24:07.800 better one. I go back on fourth on that. Sometimes 3:24:07.840 --> 3:24:10.480 instead of sleeping, I think about the pros and cons 3:24:10.560 --> 3:24:13.200 of various types of absolute horror. Is it better to 3:24:13.240 --> 3:24:15.320 see your death coming or to get picked off without 3:24:15.400 --> 3:24:18.240 knowing it? I would have thought the Vikings would expend 3:24:18.280 --> 3:24:22.320 themselves right off. I mean Vikings. They were starting to 3:24:22.360 --> 3:24:25.040 sober up by that point, but still they'd been drinking 3:24:25.560 --> 3:24:27.880 and they were already dead, and they were doomed to die. 3:24:28.520 --> 3:24:31.440 But they were smarter than that, never risked themselves unnecessarily. 3:24:32.360 --> 3:24:34.680 Your next assumption of a comrade, you know, is doomed 3:24:34.760 --> 3:24:37.760 is that they'll sacrifice themselves to save others. None of 3:24:37.800 --> 3:24:40.480 that either. They knew they were the best trained soldiers 3:24:40.560 --> 3:24:42.920 on the field and that in order for us to win, 3:24:43.360 --> 3:24:44.760 they had to be in the fight as long as 3:24:44.800 --> 3:24:48.240 they could. They were smart like that. Assholes like that. 3:24:49.080 --> 3:24:52.000 I stationed myself in the back. I fancy myself more 3:24:52.040 --> 3:24:54.440 of a sniper than the assault sort, so I watched 3:24:54.480 --> 3:24:57.119 the whole thing go down. I also only hit three 3:24:57.200 --> 3:24:59.760 targets out of a hundred and seventeen bullets I fired. 3:25:00.280 --> 3:25:03.879 But that's another story. I watched us when we took 3:25:03.920 --> 3:25:06.560 casualties of fifty percent. Half of those were k Ia, 3:25:07.440 --> 3:25:10.240 but we defeated a force twice our strength. I watched 3:25:10.280 --> 3:25:12.840 the eye hangar but bayin at men and shoot them. 3:25:13.200 --> 3:25:14.920 And I saw one of the Viking women break a 3:25:14.959 --> 3:25:18.440 man's face apart with her fists. Soon after, a bullet 3:25:18.480 --> 3:25:20.400 found her heart and she collapsed with a smile on 3:25:20.520 --> 3:25:25.160 her lips. She disappeared like literally she fazed out of existence. 3:25:25.240 --> 3:25:28.080 Being me up, Scotty. We pushed them back on to 3:25:28.160 --> 3:25:30.480 the pavement. And when I say we, I'm honestly not 3:25:30.600 --> 3:25:32.480 being fair because I didn't do much of it myself. 3:25:33.160 --> 3:25:36.959 We had them scattered and running, most of them. Dwight 3:25:37.120 --> 3:25:39.160 was out there, waving a pistol in one hand and 3:25:39.320 --> 3:25:42.080 swinging a wooden stock rifle like a club in the other. 3:25:42.640 --> 3:25:45.160 A Viking with a shot gun stood beside him. I 3:25:45.280 --> 3:25:47.880 think the same fashy little ship killed them both, maybe 3:25:47.920 --> 3:25:50.840 in the same three round burst. I tagged the fasci 3:25:50.920 --> 3:25:52.800 in his belly, and his friends helped him get away, 3:25:52.840 --> 3:25:56.800 and the remaining Nazis ran. He survived his wound. Why 3:25:56.840 --> 3:25:59.119 do we have so much information about the war? Does 3:25:59.160 --> 3:26:01.040 it do me any good to know who I killed 3:26:01.120 --> 3:26:05.840 and who I didn't? And Dwight. Dwight lay alone in 3:26:05.879 --> 3:26:09.040 the concrete, face down. There wasn't much blood, but he 3:26:09.160 --> 3:26:12.440 was dead. Two ravens sat atop him, one on each shoulder. 3:26:12.959 --> 3:26:15.039 I've never seen a raven in Nashville in my life, 3:26:15.120 --> 3:26:18.360 not before, not since. There were two of them, as 3:26:18.400 --> 3:26:21.400 big as people say those things are. They barked and 3:26:21.480 --> 3:26:24.960 they sounded like dogs. One was loud, like it was 3:26:25.080 --> 3:26:28.480 right where I was. The other was distant, echoing. Then 3:26:28.520 --> 3:26:31.440 they flew away, directly up and towards the sun, and 3:26:31.520 --> 3:26:33.320 I tried to watch to see where they went. But 3:26:33.400 --> 3:26:36.040 you can't look directly at the sun like that. I 3:26:36.120 --> 3:26:39.400 looked back down and Dwight was gone. Okay, so his 3:26:39.480 --> 3:26:41.959 body was still there, but there was there was something 3:26:42.040 --> 3:26:43.720 about him that was gone, and I don't know how 3:26:43.760 --> 3:26:46.520 to tell you what it was. That that was that 3:26:47.200 --> 3:26:50.520 we won sort of. They didn't storm the library, which 3:26:50.560 --> 3:26:53.560 I guess means we won. But sometimes I think I'd 3:26:53.600 --> 3:26:55.560 burn every single book in that place. It would bring 3:26:55.600 --> 3:26:57.320 back Lord or Dwight or any of the rest of 3:26:57.360 --> 3:27:00.040 my friends. The war was over at that point, and 3:27:00.120 --> 3:27:02.040 even if we didn't know it yet. So what did 3:27:02.080 --> 3:27:05.760 they die for? I guess for symbols. Maybe symbols matter 3:27:05.920 --> 3:27:10.160 that much. I don't know. I deserted after that. Half 3:27:10.240 --> 3:27:12.280 the survivors of the Battle of Asheville died less than 3:27:12.320 --> 3:27:14.959 a week later up in Pittsburgh, and I suppose I'd 3:27:15.000 --> 3:27:17.320 be dead if I had gone, And it probably makes 3:27:17.320 --> 3:27:19.720 me a coward that I didn't. It's not that I 3:27:19.800 --> 3:27:22.280 was afraid of dying. It's that I was afraid of 3:27:22.400 --> 3:27:26.240 dying in battle because I believe in Odin. Now, it's 3:27:26.280 --> 3:27:28.480 hard not to believe in a god without venerating him. 3:27:29.160 --> 3:27:31.560 I don't want to go to Valhalla. I don't want 3:27:31.600 --> 3:27:34.760 to fight ever again, let alone every night. I don't 3:27:34.760 --> 3:27:36.200 want to serve with the iron and yard at the 3:27:36.240 --> 3:27:38.680 Twilight of the Gods sometime in the twenty fi century. 3:27:39.360 --> 3:27:41.200 If I don't want to do that, then I don't 3:27:41.240 --> 3:27:45.120 want to die in battle Dwight, though I expect he's happy. 3:27:45.680 --> 3:27:47.720 I expect he dies every day with a smile on 3:27:47.800 --> 3:27:50.920 his lips and meat and his belly. He won't have 3:27:51.000 --> 3:27:54.160 to fight alongside the monsters of the human race either, because, 3:27:54.200 --> 3:27:57.160 as I learned in Nashville, Nazis don't go to Valhalla. 3:27:58.680 --> 3:28:05.400 All right, that was awesome, Margaret, Thank you. Yeah, thanks Dan. 3:28:05.440 --> 3:28:10.320 I'll put a bunch of applause noise here because translating 3:28:10.440 --> 3:28:14.480 over yeah as an end and and uh an air 3:28:14.560 --> 3:28:19.840 horn stick an, I don't think the air horn is 3:28:19.879 --> 3:28:26.400 going to be that as Garrison air horn. Thank you, 3:28:27.400 --> 3:28:32.000 Thank you, Garrison. Margaret. Um, how long ago did you 3:28:32.080 --> 3:28:38.640 write that? I wrote that, I believe in two seventeen. Mah, yeah, 3:28:39.000 --> 3:28:44.640 well it's not gotten less relevant, Yeah, man, I uh, 3:28:46.720 --> 3:28:49.120 there's definitely some times where I've I've wished for a 3:28:49.280 --> 3:28:58.040 platoon of vikings uh to deal with some ship. Yeah. Uh, Well, 3:28:58.320 --> 3:29:00.640 this has been it could happen here, and this has 3:29:00.680 --> 3:29:03.920 been spooky week. I hope you enjoyed this scary story 3:29:04.000 --> 3:29:07.000 that's also relevant to our theme of collapse. Margaret, you 3:29:07.080 --> 3:29:09.960 want to tell the people where they can find you. Yeah, 3:29:10.040 --> 3:29:12.600 I'm on Twitter at Magpie kill Joy. I'm on Instagram 3:29:12.680 --> 3:29:15.760 at Margaret kill Joy. I'm on Patreon at patreon dot 3:29:15.800 --> 3:29:18.640 com slash Margaret kill Joy, where this story and many 3:29:18.720 --> 3:29:21.960 other stories are available for anyone who sponsors me at 3:29:21.959 --> 3:29:23.560 a dollar a month. Then if you make less money 3:29:23.600 --> 3:29:25.480 than I do, then just message me and I'll give 3:29:25.480 --> 3:29:28.240 you all my ship for free. And I have an 3:29:28.360 --> 3:29:30.320 upcome because you've asked me to plug things and I'm 3:29:30.320 --> 3:29:34.000 definitely just gonna go ahead and plug things. Um. I 3:29:34.160 --> 3:29:36.320 have a book coming out from a K Press. It's 3:29:36.320 --> 3:29:39.160 a reissue of my anarchist utopian book, A Country of Ghosts. 3:29:39.240 --> 3:29:42.640 If you like my very I like writing war stories, 3:29:42.680 --> 3:29:44.879 but I specifically like writing war stories that are actually 3:29:44.879 --> 3:29:47.960 sad and how about how war is horrible? Um? And 3:29:48.120 --> 3:29:51.040 so A Country Ghosts is such a book and this 3:29:51.240 --> 3:29:54.119 story will eventually. I'm excited to say I just signed 3:29:54.160 --> 3:29:56.440 the contract for a K Press is going to put 3:29:56.480 --> 3:29:59.039 out a short story anthology of mine, which will include 3:29:59.080 --> 3:30:05.920 this story. Yeah, it sounds incredibly rad Yes, great publisher. Yeah, 3:30:06.200 --> 3:30:09.760 not biased at all in that No, no, no, nor 3:30:09.920 --> 3:30:15.119 towards stories of the Second American Civil War with superior 3:30:16.879 --> 3:30:21.320 I've been introduced to just today. Um, all right, we'll 3:30:21.440 --> 3:30:29.280 check out Margaret's book Parentheses. S uh and and um 3:30:29.800 --> 3:30:33.880 check out this show when it comes back someday one day. 3:30:33.959 --> 3:30:36.200 You'll never know when, but you'll hear a whisper on 3:30:36.280 --> 3:30:38.560 the wind, and there will be or it will be 3:30:39.000 --> 3:30:47.360 the next weekday after one of those two. Hey, we'll 3:30:47.400 --> 3:30:50.440 be back Monday with more episodes every week from now 3:30:50.600 --> 3:30:53.520 until the heat death of the universe. It Could Happen 3:30:53.600 --> 3:30:55.880 Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 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