1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: you know this is a compiletion episode. So every episode 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: of the week that just happened is here in one 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: there's gonna be nothing new here for you, but you 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: can make your own decisions. Well, come to spookke you Week, 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: a week where we are not really any spooky or 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: honestly than the average things happening, because everything happening is 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: is terrifying and like ghosts and Google's are are a 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: lot more fun. Anyway, hang up in this podcast, don't listen, 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: Go watch Herbert West reanimat or have some fun um. 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: But if you decide to keep listening to podcasts for 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: some reason, we have a bunch of spooky content for 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: you this week. How was that? How was that? Injured? Action? 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: Sop o bad? Yeah? Get going do your think? Yeah? 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: My my thing? So yeah, we're doing We're doing spooky 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: Spooky Week, which is very excited about. But yeah, every 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: everyone I've told about Spooky Week, they're like Oh so 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: it's just a regular week for for the show, Like, yeah, 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: pretty much, it's more fun, but it is in a 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: few ways. It is actually gonna be more fun because 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: the spooky spooky mind goddamn yeah, spookoky mind bedding kails 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: actually do have do have some more fun than just 26 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: the solely depressing ones. I mean, this was this was 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: the first theme week that we all agreed upon. This 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: was the first things like can we do something around 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: spooky nous near Halloween? And everybody younestly said yes, yes, yes, 30 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: this is the first theme week. Um, we have we 31 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: we have. We have been promising Nut Week coming up. 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: Eventually we're going to tease about things that made us 33 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: nut or where we talk about the legumes mostly legumes. Okay, 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: that's fair, Um, but anyway, we should we should have 35 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: start off our first, our first spooky tale. Um, so 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going to tell a very very spooky 37 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: tale of a of an entire French town going going 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: mad over the course of a single week. Yeah. Probably 39 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: probably with the help of psychoactive drugs and a certain 40 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: three letter agency. You know what I think we're going 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: to get to do. Garrison Accent did somebody messages that 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: you can't be racist against the French. They're like the 43 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: British or Americans. I didn't get a new messages saying 44 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: that your French accent was very racist to the French. 45 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: There is a certain number. It's like the Germans. There's 46 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: a certain number of genocide. It's after which people get 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: to make fun of your country and it's not racist. 48 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: And that number is let's say three. Honestly, the worst 49 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: part of this story is that we're probably doing critical 50 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: support for France. I mean in all honestly, I'm gonna 51 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: be a kind of more critical support to the CIA 52 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: by the end of this one. Um yeah, that's that 53 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: is the most critical support can be. So anyway, our 54 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: very spooky tail begins in ninety one in a small, 55 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: charming French village called Pont Saint a Spray, which is 56 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: how I'm gonna say that. Yeah, there you go. Um, so, 57 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: not much happened in this little, picturesque, little little town 58 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: on the south side of France. You know, on the 59 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: day we start, it's just like a regular summer day. 60 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: People are going about their routine, going to their jobs. 61 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: Kids are playing in the street, enjoying some delicious freshly 62 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: baked bread. Um. But suddenly strange things began happening. Um. 63 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: And I'm going to start off with some of the 64 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: more mild, mild mild effects here. So on in August, 65 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: first dozens, then hundreds of people began first just complaining 66 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: of nausea, you know, and some people with some like 67 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: stomach and abdominable pain. They're coming up less often, less often, noted, 68 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: there was a few instances like vomiting and diarrhea. Um. 69 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: Only about percent of people had diarrhea. That is that 70 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: is a weirder, weirder thing. Yeah, that is on like 71 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: a town wide basis three significant thirty Sorry, yeah, that's 72 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: a significant strain on the sewage of the people affected. 73 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: It's just gonna be like a few hundred versus I 74 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: was taking drugs with a group of friends. Third of 75 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: them had diarrhea. I would say, we might need to 76 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: go to a hospital this that we have taken someone 77 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: that perhaps what we got was tainted. There is there 78 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: is Yeah, well we'll be talking about what actually what 79 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: the actual drugs being used here are going to be. 80 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: But that's something where that's not an uncommon side effect. 81 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, First, first nausea, a little a little 82 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: bit of vomiting, stomach pains, cramping. Um. Hospitals began reporting 83 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: people experiencing alternating warm and cold waves over their body. Uh. 84 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: The British Medical Journal recalls abundant sweating and a disagreeable odor, 85 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: which I'm guessing the odor is just because there's all 86 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: those sweating people in the same cramped hospital room in 87 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: the summer. In the summer heats. Yeah, so anyway in 88 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: their French so a lot of scargo sweats. I don't 89 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: want to get more messages like that. I have to stop. 90 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: He's going to do it more. By the way, do 91 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: we know that the diarrhea was the result of whatever 92 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: substance or maybe it's just the wine ships again, we 93 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: don't we there's no way to tell. So out uh, 94 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: patients began complaining about weird pains and pressure around their neck, 95 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: which yeah, um. And one of the one of the 96 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: most reported symptoms was in insomnia, in some cases lasting 97 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: several days. Uh. Quoting the British Medical Journal, h the 98 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: first symptoms appeared after a latent period of six to 99 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: forty eight hours. The digestive disorders quickly became worse, with 100 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: burning sensations through the entire digestive tract. Some experienced sensations 101 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: of burning at the anus. A state of giddiness persisted. 102 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: I mean, who's not giddy when your anus is burning? 103 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: Am I? Right? I fear like like this is like 104 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: this is like the like the clear side that there's 105 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: like some some psychoactive job going on, because like your 106 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: anus is burning and yet your very born. Yeah, it's 107 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: like that sign from that what is that from a 108 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: rejected by what? What? What's the cartoonists? Like my anus 109 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: is bleeding, but like you're down, you know, you're down 110 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, yeah, you're you're John Millenny impression. No no, no, 111 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't a John Linney impression. So that's just your 112 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: poisoned millennial brain. Don Hertzfeld. Yeah great artist, Yeah, great artist. 113 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: Uh So these pale and limp patients, Still quoting the 114 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: British Medical Journal, these pale and limp patients showed inconspicuous 115 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: trembling of the extremities, and they complained of disorders of 116 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: the visual accommodation and especially being unable to read. So 117 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: this this is this is the more mild. This could 118 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: be a long one year. So this is for many 119 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: people affected. This is where the symptoms stopped. After suffering 120 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: for insomnia for a while, with you know, mild disorders 121 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: of the visual accommodation um and you know, and stomach 122 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: pains and like weird like neckings. After they were able 123 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: to sleep, that was the sign of their recovery. Is 124 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: like the ability to sleep again. African insomnia war off. 125 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: But in a in around fifty of the cases reported, 126 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: the effects were much more intense. Um, I'm going to 127 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: continue from the from the medical journal first and then 128 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: get into some of the more colorful reporting around the incident. Uh. 129 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: Quoting the Medical journal again, Vivid visual hallucinations appeared, in 130 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: particular themes of visions of animals and of flames. All 131 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: of these visions were fleeting invariable in many of the patients. 132 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: They were followed by dreamy delirium. Yeah, that's that's about right. 133 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: That's actually pretty good description of like l s A LSD. 134 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: Those kind of like the movies always get it wrong 135 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: because you're not usually not like you're not seeing some 136 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: sort of like visual like cartoon world. It's it's these 137 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: kind of like fleeting impressions of visions and things in 138 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: the corner of your eyes. Yeah, it's a pretty good 139 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: especially on lower like it is unclear what exactly they 140 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: were on because then they definitely can be the more 141 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: cartoon lags. I mean, you can get full open eyed hallucination, 142 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: like especially the shogun emicles will do that that I 143 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: don't get it so much with like LSD L s A, say, 144 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: if you want to shoot yourself that is to write 145 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: some Hawaiian baby wood rows seats yea from home depot 146 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: and have yourself a horrible right. So the delirium seemed 147 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: to be systematized with animal hallucinations and self accusation. It's weird, 148 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: weird terms from them from self accusations. Yeah, it's I 149 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: think I think they're trying to get at ego death, 150 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: but they don't have terms for it yet either that 151 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: or that. Like sometimes you're hallucinating it like overcoming like 152 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: guilt like oh I did this terrible thing or yeah, yeah, 153 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: everybody's angry at me or whatever, like continuing from the 154 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: Medical journal, self accusation and and it was sometimes mystical 155 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: or macabre in some cases, terrifying visions were followed by fugus, 156 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: which is an old um for like fugues, says fugues. Yeah, 157 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: it's pronounced fugue. It's like it's like it's like extreme, 158 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: it's extreme disassociation. Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, and 159 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: two and two patients threw themselves out the window. Um. Yeah. 160 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: The delirium was of a confusal kind, which could be 161 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: interpreted for some moments by a strong stimulation. Every attempt 162 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: at restraint increased the agitation. Well, yeah, that's it restraining. 163 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: I've had to restrain a number of people and it 164 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: does not calm anyone down, especially especially when you're tripping hard. Yeah. 165 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: This sounds like a real, real bad time. Not the 166 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: thing to do. In severe cases, muscular spasms appeared. The 167 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: duration of these periods of delirium was varied. They lasted 168 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: several hours, several hours and some patients and in others 169 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: they persisted overnight. So that and then here it's it's 170 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna get a little bit darker and then we're 171 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: gonna have more fun. Um. We observed four fatal cases, 172 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: three men and one woman. Three of these people were 173 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: old and in bad health. One of the men was 174 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: only twenty five years old that had been in good 175 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: health previously. They died in a muscular spasm in a 176 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: state of cardiovascular collapse. I think this is probably mostly 177 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: due to how the doctors were handling these patients, right, 178 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: I mean obviously your your blood pressure want to can 179 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: elevate when you're hallucinating, But yeah, I think it also 180 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: has a lot to do with the way they were 181 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: being handled. Yeah, you're right. Um, the disorder has developed 182 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: more quickly in children, but also left them more quickly. 183 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: An interesting feature some of the cases was that the 184 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: delirium it was the first sign to be noted. So 185 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: it depends people come up, came up on different ways 186 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: or some some of them first had a weird body feelings, 187 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: some of them first started just seeing stuff. Um. One 188 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: other interesting tidbit that we're not going to spend much 189 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: time talking about, but like around two weeks after this 190 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: initial incident, some symptoms started to reappear, either through like 191 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: a secondary poison egg or it was like some kind 192 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: of like acid flashback. Yeah it must because I've done it, 193 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: fuckload of ascid. I've never had a flashback. Um, I 194 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: did at one point. I mean I have like done 195 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: some damage and so have permanent tracers. But it's not 196 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: like my guess is they got I think the idea 197 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: that there are like acid flashbacks that are vivid hallucinations 198 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: has been pretty heavily debunked. My guesses they got redosed. Yeah, 199 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I might fight you goods like it 200 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: could be that it was traumatic enough that like they're 201 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: having they're dealing with PTSD and kind of that that's 202 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: what's happening. But I don't know, And I think I 203 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: definitely have seen enough reports that would see acid flashbacks 204 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: definitely actually being a thing in some cases, especially in 205 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: the early days of studying these types of drugs and 206 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: like the sixties, like the CIA reported a lot of 207 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: stuff around acid flashbacks around the people that they tortured. 208 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: But I guess it's it's tide to torture. That could 209 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: just be PTSD. Stuff could be PTSD. It's also, I mean, 210 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: one thing you have to know, and I don't know 211 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: what kind of dose these people were getting. With the CIA, 212 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: with dosed people, they were sometimes giving people doses people 213 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: do not take, like you do not take that much, 214 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: like hundreds or thousands or millions of yeah, ridiculous irresponsible doses. Yeah. 215 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: So now now we're going to get to some of 216 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: the some of the more fun descriptions here which we 217 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: can actually kind of like, based on our experiences, can 218 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: actually kind of see like what was actually going on 219 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: in these people's heads. Um, So basically we had at 220 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: least dozens and dozens of people tripping very very hard. Um. 221 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: The local postman was doing his rounds on his bicycle 222 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 1: when he was suddenly overwhelmed by nausea and wild hallucinations. 223 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: Quoting him, it was terrible. I had the sense, I 224 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: had the sensation of shrinking and shrinking, and the fire 225 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: and the serpents coiling around by arms. Yeah, that guy 226 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: had some other stuff going on. Yeah, because the very 227 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: first acid trip was on a bicycle when Heinrich Kaufman 228 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: like made it, nosed himself. He started coming up I 229 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: believe it was in Amsterdam, like riding his bicycle, which 230 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: is like, well, this is lovely. Yeah, I've made something cool. 231 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Why was the postman riding a bicycle to deliver packages? 232 00:13:51,200 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: And it's not to I mean that, I'm sorry. So yeah, 233 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: the maleman fell off his bike and was taken to 234 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: the taking into a hospital in a nearby town. He 235 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: was putting a straight jacket and he shared a room 236 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: with three teenagers who were also tripping, and the teenagers 237 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: were changed to their beds to keep them under control. Yeah, 238 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: that's that's how it sounds horrible. Flashbacks to this, to 239 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: being chained to a bed tripping. Yeah, some of my 240 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: friends trying to get out the window. They were thrashing wildly, screaming, 241 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: and the sound of the metal beds and jumping up 242 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: and down. The noise was terrible. I would prefer I 243 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: would prefer to die then go through that again, which terrible. 244 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: This sounds like like the worst acid trip you could 245 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: go off. That sounds like about the worst way you 246 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: could have a trip go It sounds awful. So back 247 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: in the French town, a little girl screamed as she 248 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: was being chased by man eating tigers. A woman sobbed 249 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: about how her children had been ground did too, sausages? 250 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: Oh great? And specific a large bed founded off terrific 251 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: beasts by smashing this furniture and using the wood as weapons. 252 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: Good for you, buddy, Good for you. Husband and wife 253 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: right around chasing each other with knives. Again, probably something 254 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: else going on there. My guesses we're not just talking 255 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: the acid and that because I have again been on 256 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: acid a lot around knives and other weapons. I have 257 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: never chased someone. I've never chased someone around with knives 258 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: like a couple who was on the verge of a 259 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: knife chick. I think I think the important part here 260 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: is that like in this French town, like acid wasn't 261 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: a thing yet, Like like like lucinogenic drugs weren't a 262 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: thing right even like even like mushrooms weren't popular around 263 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: this time, no one knew what what the hell was 264 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: going on. Like they just think that they're just basically 265 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: losing their minds, like they're like there's there's no other 266 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: ex nation for what's happening to them. And let's just 267 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: say that the most shocking thing that has come out 268 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: so far as that when Robert was on acid, he 269 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: wasn't chasing people with knives. It's honest, Like, depending on 270 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: your acid trip, you wouldn't want to chase someone with 271 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: a knife. Like it's not it's not the kind of 272 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: we would we would like during this we would we 273 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: would take a bunch of drugs and grab my a 274 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: K forty seven and hike out into the woods and 275 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: we would shoot down a fir tree and we would 276 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: drag it back to a clearing and we would bury 277 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: it standing up, and we would drape it in pig 278 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: intestines and put a pig's heart on it, and when 279 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: we cover it in gasoline and light it with firecrackers 280 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: and dance around it like the pagans of old. But 281 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: there was nothing aggressive about no. You. You you very 282 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: rarely would want to hurt somebody on acid. And my 283 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: experience like you generally generally are at least like way 284 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: more compassionate in a lot of ways. Um. But if 285 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: you have no idea what acid is and you're just 286 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: you're in the nineteen fifties and you're losing your mind 287 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: and you're seeing weird things that I can see how 288 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: this would maybe cause some other types of behavior. Just 289 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: think that, like, because that is angry at you, Like 290 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: it's like they're not they're not dosing themselves either, like 291 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: they're being dosed rights like they don't. It's very different 292 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: where like you're deciding to go with a trip versus 293 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: this is happening to you when you have no decision. 294 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: I think for basically anyone in this position, the logical 295 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: assumption would be, oh, the devil has taken over our 296 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: town and our minds have we have been infested with demons? 297 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: Like that's what else are you going to assume? You're 298 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: not going to be like, oh, this drug that's just 299 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: barely been invented and that nobody really knows about yet 300 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: except for weird nerds. It must be some version of 301 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: that that I've taken accidentally. No, you're going to do 302 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: in your blood. So one interesting tid. But before we 303 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: before we go and break um, even some of the 304 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: local animals had been affected by whatever poisoned the town. Um. 305 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: There there was there was one dog in particular that 306 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: kept chewing on rocks until its teeth chipped away. I 307 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: don't like this. And and ducks were behaving very odd. Um. 308 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: It's described that they were. They were walking around erect 309 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: and upright, like penguins in a line, and they're just 310 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: like weird, weird behavior from ducks. Scariest thing I've heard 311 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: so far. That kind of makes me want a dose 312 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: our ducks scares. We are not We're not wasting acid 313 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: on the ducks the lot. I mean, there's a lot 314 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: of things you could give ducks. We're not. We're not 315 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: giving ducks assets. That's not a thing about giving ducks drugs. 316 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: Is they're all monsters. That is true. They are monsters 317 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: and rapists, every one of them. Yeah, all the mail ducks. 318 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: So anyway, a reoccurring theme was that people were running 319 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: around wildly and being very fearful of like monstery animals 320 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: and encroaching flames. Um, it sounds like the ducks were 321 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: having a good time doing their ministry of silly walk shit. Like, 322 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what all these people are bummed about. 323 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: This is rad okay. So when when you first said that, 324 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: I heard dogs and I was like, that is the 325 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: most terrible ducks. It's like duck steady, like very upright, 326 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: like penguins walking around in the line. I think ducks 327 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: might enjoy it. I think dogs are a little too 328 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: aware of what's going on. Grison dog. The stone thing 329 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: was about the dog, Yeah, with the dog scary. Yeah, 330 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: I just don't know that the dogs enjoy because, like 331 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: I've seen dogs accidentally eat large amounts of pot and 332 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: whatnot and they get weird. They're they're they're pretty scared. 333 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: They're they're pretty're pretty scared. Yeah. Yeah, do you know 334 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: what is also very spooky? Yeah, capitalism and all of 335 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: these spooky advertisements to sell things. Advertisements are also a 336 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: form of mind control. Speaking of the CIA in the 337 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: fifties anyway, profoundly damaging. We are back from the spooky 338 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: advertised Yeah. Anyway, So I think another another reoccurring factor 339 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: for why a lot of these people have very similar 340 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: types of experiences around like snakes, um, which we're talking 341 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: about later, and like flames is like with this many 342 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: people trapping and no one knows what being is. I 343 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: think it's really easy for an idea or a fear 344 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: to spread from one person to another while they're tripping. Um. 345 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: With like this many people, i think if someone says something, 346 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna start happening to someone else, and it's kind 347 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: of kind of this like cascading effect where they're all 348 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: developed these very similar fear is because it's almost like 349 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: being spread like an infection. Um. So there was there 350 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: was a one man convinced that red snakes were devouring 351 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: his brain and he jumped out a window. Oh did 352 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: he live this? He did live? Um. I'm not guessing 353 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: a lot of these It's it's like France and the fifties, 354 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: So I'm guessing most of these buildings are not super 355 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: they're not. They're not super high up now. No, they're 356 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: like fall en a foot or two. Although here we 357 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: have another one. Another mad reportedly left for a window, yelling, 358 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: look everyone, I'm a dragonfly, and then the men broke. 359 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: The men broke both legs, but he stood up and 360 00:20:54,680 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: continued running, looking rad king, sigma sigma behavior absolute. This 361 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: is a new kind of man. Just drapped. Look everyone, 362 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: have a dragonfly breaks both legs, he keeps running. Basically 363 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: the information you've provided us, I can't say he's not 364 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: a dragon. No, he is an absolute, absolute king. Good 365 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: for I hope he had a great life. Yeah. Another 366 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: one saw his heart escape through his feet and beseeched 367 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: the doctor to try to put it back into place. 368 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: You don't want to have that happen. That doesn't sound fun. 369 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: You want to keep that somewhere around the middle of 370 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: your body. Someone sprinted down the lane, claiming that he 371 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: was being chased by bandits with donkey ears. A nearby river, 372 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: a man was convinced that he was a circus tight 373 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: rope walker and attempted to balance his way across the 374 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: cables of a suspension bridge. How do you know it 375 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: doesn't say? The reportant to not tell you he's not 376 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: in the death report. Yeah he's. And therefore another another 377 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: person did try to die in the river. He tried 378 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: to jump into the river, only to be saved by 379 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: his friends, and he was screaming, I am dead, I 380 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: am dead, and my head is made of copper, and 381 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: I have snakes in my stomach and they are burning me. 382 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: It's such a weird description of like tripping and saying 383 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: like my head is made of copper. I'm trying to 384 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: think of like what was going on, what, like what 385 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: what series of events did did he spiral down in 386 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: his brain to have that sentence I did? I'm not 387 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: quite sure. It's it's it's definitely. I can definitely see 388 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: it happening. I just I just can. I'm trying to think, 389 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: like we're exactly what would happen to get to that point. 390 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: It's really really interesting. I think some of these are 391 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: hard because again it's like these people just think literally 392 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: think they're going insane or that like this stuff is 393 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: just actually happening to them, like you were like when 394 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: when you're tripping on acid, you are already kind of 395 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: have the feeling that there is moments where you feel 396 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: like this is like this is like never gonna end, 397 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: even though even though you know, you know you're on acid, 398 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: these people don't know that, right, Like these people don't 399 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: have the reascernce like no, I took acid, I'm on 400 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: a drug. This is gonna be over eight hours. They 401 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: think this is gonna last forever, right like they think 402 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: this this is just the world now, like this is 403 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: just one of those Rubert Anton Wilson, who is a 404 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: thinker I enjoy a lot, writes a lot about how 405 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: to calm people down when they've taken too much, and 406 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: most of his advices around talking about like, okay, well, 407 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: how long ago did you take it? Hey, well that 408 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: the good news is that this is going to end here. 409 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's only gonna last this long, like you're 410 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: you're through this point. Oh, this is the this is 411 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: the second hour, freakies, and by the third hour you'll 412 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: be fine again and enjoying it Like it's all about 413 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: making keeping in people's minds like this is going to pass. 414 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right, like this is the fucking worst 415 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: way to take drugs, alright. So local newspapers, uh and 416 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: also like in national newspapers described described this as a 417 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: among the stricken, delirium rose patients thrash wildly on their beds, 418 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: screaming that red flowers were blossoming from their bodies, people 419 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: throwing themselves from rooftops, men and women throwing their clothes 420 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: off and running in the streets naked, and children complaining 421 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: their stomachs were infested with coils and snakes, Which I 422 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: mean half of that sounds like, yeah, that's like a 423 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: normal good time just running around the streets naked on acid. 424 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: Other and I was like, yeah, that that doesn't seem 425 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: pleasant with coils and snakes in your stomach, but also 426 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: like flowers blossoming fund your body. I can, I can, 427 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: I can understand that kind of sensation. Um. But like 428 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: it definitely, it definitely wasn't all horrible and the night 429 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 1: like nightmares we we were. We already mentioned the giddy 430 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: people with burning anuses, um, but for like the full 431 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: on tripping folks. According to the New York Times, there's 432 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: reports of people like hearing heavenly choruses and seeing you know, 433 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: bright colors. The world look beautiful to them. Um. Apparently, 434 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: the head of the farming co op wrote hundreds of 435 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: pages of like enlightened tripping poetry. That that guy must 436 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: be because knowing nothing, he starts tripping, not knowing he's tripped. 437 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: It's just like time to make some fucking art. You 438 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: know what. This head state is good for writing some ship. 439 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: He just went to his cabinets wrote poetry. That's fucking awesome. 440 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: That's a guy. I'll bet he handled just everything that 441 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: life through it. Well, like that says a lot about 442 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: you when you're like, oh, demons have infiltrated my brain. 443 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna hang out in my cabin and 444 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: write some poems hundreds of pages. Wow, like I could. 445 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: I could hardly write ship on acid. I cannot imagine 446 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: trying to write poetry. I've done a lot of creative 447 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: stuff on acid. Creative stuff. Yeah, I just feel like specifically, 448 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: like weeding and typing can can be hard at certain points. 449 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: You know, if if you're like coming down that it 450 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: can be easier, but really good for like writing. It's 451 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: good for ideas that you later can flesh out into writing. 452 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: But yeah, so unfortunately, you know, because this was you know, 453 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: no one who was going on. Many people were taken 454 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: to local asylums in straight jackets and tied onto beds, 455 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: making things undoubtedly worse for people tripping. It's one of 456 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: those things I can't even be angry at them because 457 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: like they don't know what's going you know, like you 458 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on the whole. Like every 459 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: attemptant restraint increased the agitation line. It's like horrifying from 460 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: the concept of like you're tripping, you you you do, 461 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on, and people are tying 462 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: you down to beds, making you feel like you're even 463 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: more stuck in this permanent seat of delirium. It's just 464 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: it just it is the worst nightmare. Yeah, all of 465 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: this is horrible. Yeah, the mayor of the town said, 466 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: like I've seen healthy men and women suddenly become terrorized, 467 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: ripping in their bed sheets, hiding themselves beneath their blankets 468 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: to escape their hallucinations. So yeah, it's it's if you, 469 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 1: if you, if you don't know what's going on, pretty 470 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: pretty pretty scary, except for the poetry guy. Good for him, Yeah, 471 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: good for him. Um. Yeah. So by by the time 472 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: the effects had subsided for everyone affected, which is around 473 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: like a few days after the initial reported like nausea, 474 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: like you know not it didn't affect everyone at the 475 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: same time. You know, some people got dosed later on. 476 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: It's it's it's unclear what what exactly because it's of 477 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: the fifties, we didn't have a great idea of the 478 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: exact timeline of events of like when the first effects 479 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: were felt, and like how all the spaced out. But 480 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: this whole instant arrassed lasted around like a few days 481 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: for like everyone, everyone totaled. UM. It was supported that 482 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: anywhere between like three hundred and five hundred people had 483 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: felt the effects UM, you know, around fifty feeling very 484 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: very extreme like open eye like hallucinations of objects that 485 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: aren't even there, like like very extreme hallucinations. UM. And 486 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: and four people did die in connection to the poisoning 487 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 1: UM at least where people died. It's again it's unclear 488 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: for exact numbers for a lot of this stuff. UM. 489 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: An investigation into the sudden outbreak of the madness was 490 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: probably underway. Town officials wanted to get to the bottom 491 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: of this as quickly as possible. Do you want to 492 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: figure out what was happening? Yea, UM, and the blame 493 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: fell onto a single batch of bread what so among 494 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: the common denominator among those affected that they all allegedly 495 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: consumed bread from one specific baker he was accused of 496 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: using er got contaminated rye flower, and he was arrested 497 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: and a temporarily imprisoned. Um. Also, a nearby miller that 498 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: he got the flower from was also arrested and given 499 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: some of the blame Um. The funny part is that 500 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: around this time, the French government had a very top 501 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: down grain distribution system that originally controlled everything about where 502 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: the grains were milled, where they were sent, and what 503 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: bakers could use which flower, so bakers had no choice 504 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: and what type of flower to use or what kind 505 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: of a grain they could use in baking. It was 506 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: all decided by other people. Is like real big deal 507 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 1: and pretty pretty pretty important. Yeah, for the record, just 508 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: like air got poisoning. There are a lot of cases 509 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: of like different like dancing manias and whatnot in like 510 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: the mid Evil in medieval Europe, or like whole towns 511 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: will be well, everyone will start like dancing or like hallucinating, 512 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: and you know they always came down as like these 513 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: people assumed apocryphal of stories about like demon possessions or whatnot. 514 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: And now a lot of the suspicions like oh yeah 515 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: some arra had gotten Yeah it was it was just 516 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: kind of tripping about poisoning. It seems like one of 517 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: the rougher trips to go on. It's not super clean, 518 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: it's no. I mean I've done L s A, which 519 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: I think is similar similar to Yeah, they're tripp to 520 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: means that are like really rough and it's I would 521 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: not don't don't do L s A. No Hawaiian baby 522 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: wood roase seeds. For if you're going to take L 523 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: s A, than actually like synthesizing, which is a felonate um. 524 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: But you can just buy Hawaiian baby wood roase seeds 525 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: and eat them and you will have maybe the worst 526 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: trip of your life. Great advice from the from the 527 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: pod um. So yeah, on on on on the on 528 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: the On the raw and ergot topic, the past growing 529 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: season was especially wet and ergot fun guy did grow 530 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: across the country's rye fields. UM, but the amount of 531 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: ergot on the rye and the amount of rye used 532 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: in baking was thought to not be enough to induce 533 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: any any type of poisoning. UM. In fact that the 534 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: last time or like orgot poisoning had struck France was 535 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: back in was back in eighteen sixteen, so almost like 536 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: a century and a half before this incident. And that 537 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: was a century if it's the fifties right, little less 538 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: than a century. No, so the last instant was eighteen sixteen. 539 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: This was nine no, no as a century and a 540 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: half ago. Um. And no other towns anything, and no 541 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: other part of France was affected by anything similar to this. Um. 542 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: So the Ergot thing is kind of iffy um it. 543 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: But the Ergot explanation was the only thing that doctors 544 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: investigators could come to would do, like you know, the 545 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: their their limited knowledge around brain altering substances and just 546 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: pressure from town officials to get to the bottom of 547 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: this so that they had something to blame and people 548 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: could move on. Um. But you know, as a result, 549 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: not much evidence really backs up there backs up there 550 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: got claim and a lot of experts today kind of 551 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: deem it bunk um it doesn't There's and and there's 552 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of like, um, there's this thing hike key 553 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: on that the Greeks would take that was like this 554 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: re collucinatory thing that they think it was because they 555 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: were putting grain and wine and it might have been 556 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 1: air got poisoned, but also like people enjoyed it, and 557 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: so there's a lot of debate over whether or not 558 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: it could have been argot But I don't know, Um, 559 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what else is There are other other 560 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: theories about what it might Boy is it the c 561 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: I A A where can they get to it? So, yeah, 562 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't really make much sense that the high amounts 563 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: of ergot rye would only be in one batch of 564 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: grain used in a single batch of bread from just 565 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: one bakery and one small town. Doesn't doesn't really make sense. Um. 566 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: Other explanations um that people have come to includes like 567 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: mercury poisoning and overuse of other fungicides. These have been 568 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: mostly disproved. Been Yeah, that doesn't seem like mercury poisoning. No, 569 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: but there is a guy who likes to drink some mercury, 570 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: you know boy. So yeah. So there's a lot of 571 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: other theories around, like fungicides being used, but those have 572 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: been kind of disproved by some people, but others still 573 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: point to them as possible explanations. But but there is 574 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: one other theory that we will focus on that features 575 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: two of my favorite things LSD and the nineteen fifties CIA, 576 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: because if you're gonna pick a c I A, they 577 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: had the most fun. They had the most fun, right like, 578 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: you know who else has a lot of fun? Garrison, 579 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: who is also the nineteen fifties c I A whoms 580 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: our sponsors, Oh really happen here is sponsored only by 581 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: the fifties CIA, only the one from the fifties. Yeah, 582 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: when you order any of our product products, they will 583 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: come to your house and inject you with seven thousand 584 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: hits of LSD. Hey three, Hey, that is that sounds 585 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: like a great deal. Honestly, you're saving a lot of money. 586 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: You are saying, that is a lot of free a 587 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: lot of acid for the amount of money you're spending. 588 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: You won't do more acid, that's for sure. You're that 589 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: that's acid for life. You won't do it again? Yeah, 590 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: you might, you probably. You won't have to do it, 591 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: you won't you want to do any expenses ever again. Yeah, 592 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: you'll survive, You'll just be a very different person by 593 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: the end of the Yeah, you you won't survive your 594 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: body with someone at the end of that someone else 595 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: will wake up. So, speaking of waking up here products 596 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: so nine fifties c I A um wild time. In 597 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: two thousand nine, Hank P. Albarelli is an an American 598 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: writer and journalist released a book called A Terrible Mistake, 599 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: which focuses on the suspicious death of a CIA scientist 600 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: named Frank Olson, who worked on the CIA mind control 601 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: experiments during the late forties and early fifties. While researching 602 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: the book, Albarelli claims to have come across a number 603 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: of old CIA and White House document referencing the pont 604 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: Saint to Sprite incident, and he claims that the village 605 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: was the target of a CIA experiment on the mass 606 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: effects of LSD and that around the time that Frank 607 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: Olsen wanted to sever his ties with the Army and CIA, 608 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: Frank started talking about his participation in the experiment, which 609 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: may have led to the government off in Olsen. So 610 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: I know that is a lot and it is slightly 611 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: more than justice speculation. We're going to get into the 612 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: evidence here shortly, UM, but by now it's pretty well 613 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: known that throughout the authorities fifties and sixties, both the U. S. 614 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: Army and the CIA tried to use hallucinogenetic hallucinogenic drugs 615 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: such as LSD as both an offensive weapon and as 616 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: a way to make like psychic super soldiers in the 617 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: programs like m k Ultra and k Naomi, Project Bluebird, 618 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: Project Artichoke, UM, lots of watch, lots of these things 619 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: were trying to find different ways of using LSD for 620 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: like offensive and defensive means. UM. Some of the interest 621 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: was promoted by it was was prompted by reports of 622 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union doing experiments with drugs around the same time. 623 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: Also stuff around like you know, like like like Zeo 624 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 1: psychic powers and Hypno says. This was very popular around 625 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: this time for for lots of different intelligence agencies. UM. 626 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: But so albert Elli uncovered report from nineteen forty nine 627 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: by the director of the Edward Arsenal which many which 628 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: which was where many US government LST experiments were carried out, 629 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: and this report stated that the army should do everything, 630 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: everything is everything, everything possible to launch so called field 631 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: experiments using this drug. And later in his to us 632 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: A nine book, Albrely claims that he found references to 633 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: a government document with the label RETU SPRI and f 634 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: Olsen files s O SPAN slash France Operation File inclusive 635 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: Olsen Intel files. Hand Carrie to Bellin, tell him to 636 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: see to it that these are buried. Um, this document 637 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: does exist like we we we like we we we 638 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: we do have this label on on this document um, 639 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: but like the actual contents of documents are are gone. 640 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: But this is this is this is this is just 641 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: like a label that is being referenced as so the 642 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: document label references Frank Gilson and David Bellan. So. Belln 643 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: was the executive director of the Rockefeller Commission, created by 644 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: the White House in the mid seventies to investigate abuses 645 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: carried out worldwide by the Central Intelligence Agency. So Albrey 646 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: believes that the that the French town LSD incident um, 647 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: which is like the pont saintist Bra which is the 648 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: name of the town, and the Ethelson files mentioned in 649 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: the document, would definitely show that if the document hadn't 650 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: been buried, as it was said in the in the 651 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: label the CIA, it would show that the CIA was 652 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: experimenting on the townspeople by dosing them with what he 653 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: thinks was LSD. Um. Now there is also a bit 654 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: more to it than that. Um. Using Foya's he got 655 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: ahold of another CIA document, a two page report from 656 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: my team fifty four detailing a conversation between a CIA 657 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: agent and a representative of the Sand DAWs Chemical Company. 658 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: So this the San DAWs base was the place where 659 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: Albert Hoffman invented LSD in ninety eight UM and it 660 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: was it was it was only a few hundred kilometers 661 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: away from Pont st Asprit, the town where this happened. 662 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: So the chemical company was actually pretty pretty close relatively 663 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: to like Europe UM and it was also the only 664 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: place where LSD was being made at the time. And 665 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: they were providing both the Army and the CIA with 666 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of acid. But you mean 667 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: they're also giving it like they were also giving it 668 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: to universities. They gave lots to Timothy Laria initially. They 669 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: were they were, they were, they were giving it out 670 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: to a lot of different universities and people, but including 671 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: the US government, so the CIA. The CIA agent wrote 672 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: um in this report that was like he was detailing 673 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: a dinner he had with this representative of the chemical company, 674 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: and he reported that after having several drinks, the scientists 675 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 1: started talking about the Pont Saint Desprite incident. The senda's 676 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: official burned out the poont Saint Aspirit secret was that 677 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: it was not the bread at all, continued to send 678 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: off official for weeks. The French tied up our laboratories 679 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: with analysis of the bread. It was not the grain ergot, 680 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: it was a die ethyl laminated Sorry, it's it's the 681 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: last part of the LSD. Yeah, the die ethyl lemonide 682 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: like compound. So yeah, the surgic diethyl acid is what 683 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: LSD stands for. So yeah, he the sidists said that 684 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: it was. It was like it was like basically an 685 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: LSD like compound. Um, So that's that was the That 686 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,720 Speaker 1: was report detail like a dinner that a CIA agent 687 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: had with this scientist, um, and that document was uncovered. 688 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: That was it was from like the fifties. Now this this, 689 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: this next part has a little bit less proof to 690 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: it because there's no documents backing this up. But al 691 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: Brelli also claims that Dirk is diggig too forward. Ci 692 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: A researchers reached out to him and revealed that revealed 693 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: some details of most impossible details of the method of 694 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: the poisoning. They told him that the village was subjected 695 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: to an air blitz of pulverized LSD Holy shit, I'm sorry, 696 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: that's fucking based, so to force it to take the 697 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: substance through the air. According to the researchers, this manner 698 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: of of this manner of distribution proved mostly unsuccessful, um, 699 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: forcing the CIA to move onto phase two, which was 700 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: contaminating local food. So apparently the if the if, if 701 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: the air blitz was a thing, it didn't take super well. Um. 702 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: Although actually to have Sophie bias a plane we will 703 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: talk about this later, but um, the CIA did do 704 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: more air blitzing um of of acid in New York City. Actually, 705 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: they would ride around in cars um in like poorer 706 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: and poorer more like multicultural areas, UM, shooting LSD out 707 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: of the back of the car to see what would 708 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: happen if people, i mean take out the racism. And 709 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: that really is a dream job, just driving around cities 710 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: air dosing people with acid. It random smoking cigarettes. Probably 711 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: so with the conclusion drawn that it was one of 712 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: the town's bakeries being the source of the poisoning, Alberrel 713 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: says it was possible that LSD was put in or 714 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 1: onto the bread. Um. So yeah, and uh. Also, lots 715 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: of the scientists, lots of the scientists dispatched to investigate 716 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: the poisoning after it took place, where actually from the 717 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: San DAWs Chemical Company. UM. They studied the situation for 718 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: like two or three weeks UM and gave the explanation 719 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: that would later be kind of disproven, uh, that it 720 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: was got poisoning, which they told the town officials and 721 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: the British medical journal. UM. What what, What no one 722 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: knew at the time was that one the existence of 723 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: LSD in the first place, UM, and two that San 724 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: DAWs was the company making it and giving these drugs 725 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: to the U. S. Army and to the CIA. UM. 726 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: And apparently apparently Albert Hoffman himself went to the town 727 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: to investigate this incident. UM. So yeah. And one last 728 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: thing on like the physical evidence side of things UM. 729 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: Albarelli also found an undated White House document that appeared 730 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: to be part of a larger file that have been 731 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,959 Speaker 1: sent to members of the Rockefeller Commission, containing the names 732 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: of two French nationals who had been secretly employed about 733 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: the CIA and made direct references to the quote pont 734 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 1: Saint Esprit incident um. Also it was linked the document 735 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: linked former CIA biological warfare expert and the chief of 736 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: the Fort Derek's Special Operations Division. So those are all 737 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: places that they were experiencing with this similar kind of thing. 738 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: Um we we we have mentioned the Rockefeller Commission a 739 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: few times now for remember the names, uh, Frank Olsen, 740 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: the guy one of the CIA researchers on LST, and 741 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: David Bellan where they were they were they were on 742 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: the label of that missing document. So but Bellin was 743 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: the executive director of the White House Commission to investigate 744 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: the CIA's abuses and crimes, which was called the Rockefeller Commission. 745 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: It was formed by President Ford in nineteen seventy five 746 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,240 Speaker 1: to investigate abuse, uses, and other activities by the CIA 747 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: and a few other intelligence agencies that were operating within 748 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: the States. Um. So the Rockefeller Commission revealed not only 749 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: like the reason why we know but I'm Kaeltra was 750 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: because the Rockefeller Commission. This is this is how we 751 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: know this was a thing. Um. So it not only 752 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: revealed stuff about like programs around m k Ultra, but 753 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: also revealed the details of the CIA dosing their own scientist, 754 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: Frank Olsen with LSD and possibly killing him. Um. There's 755 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: also like there's like a Netflix series about this called 756 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: would Word, which I haven't. I haven't actually watched yet, 757 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: so I don't know how good or accurate it is, 758 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: but they did. They did make a series a few 759 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: years ago about the death of Frank Olson. Um and 760 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,720 Speaker 1: all of the weirds got yourself surrounding both his job 761 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: and and and and and his death. Um. We do 762 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: love the CIA, folks, So the The commission also concluded 763 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: that the head of the CIA's LSD program, doctor Sydney 764 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: ghost Leap, destroyed all of the drug programs records in 765 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three to hide the details of possibly illegal actions, 766 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: and he was personally involved in the torture of Frank Olsen. UH. 767 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: Twenty years after Mr Olsen's death and ten years after 768 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: the LSTIC experiments were halted, a doctor Gotlieb ordered the 769 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: destruction of all the records of the program, including a 770 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: total of one hundred and fifty two separate files. This 771 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: came shortly after other reports that that that records were 772 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: being destroyed by Richard Helms that the then Director of 773 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: Central Intelligence. So it's undoubterably true that the CIA was 774 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,720 Speaker 1: up to up to some ship involving LST around around 775 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: the exact time period of this French Town incident. Yeah, 776 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: it's certainly not like you're not coming out of nowhere 777 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: suggesting the CIA may have dosed all these people, but 778 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,359 Speaker 1: they set it to a bunch of folks. If they 779 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: didn't do it here, they've done similar ship. And it's 780 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,399 Speaker 1: also it's also worth mentioning at this point that like 781 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: this is like the point where the CIA is also 782 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: running this like enormous heroin network out of France as 783 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 1: like basically basically had this whole they have this deal 784 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: with the French where their life Okay, so the French 785 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: mob can like basically move all the heroin they want 786 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,760 Speaker 1: and exchange they'll like stop the communists and taking control 787 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: of the point of marseilla Is And so this is 788 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: this is all also going on like at the same 789 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: time that they're doing the LSD stuff. It's great. Yeah, 790 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: So there's there's some historians that think the LSD theory 791 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: does not hold enough water. Um Stephen Kaplan it's a 792 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: US historian specializing in the French food history and the 793 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: author of the two book Cursed Bread, which follows this incident. 794 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: Um He says that he is I have numerous objections 795 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: to this poultry evidence that this that this against the CIA. 796 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: First of all, it's clinically and coherent. LSD takes effects 797 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: in just a few hours, whereas the inhabitants, where the 798 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: inhabitants showed symptoms only after thirty six hours or more. 799 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: For the more, LSD does not cause that the digestive 800 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: elements or the vegetative effects described by the townspeople. Um. 801 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: And So to both those claims, I say, they're not 802 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: necessarily true. Um, it's it's it's unclear how soon the 803 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: delirious effects took place for some people. They were they 804 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 1: forced effect felt Um. So the whole thing about like 805 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: the effect only taking effect after thirty six hours, that's 806 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: not that's not necessarily true. Um. And Also l s 807 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,839 Speaker 1: D can definitely have nauseating or digestive effects. Yeah, absolutely, 808 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: so that's that's that's not that's yeah. And and but 809 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: but like there were other types of symptoms that are 810 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: not common for what we think of as like modern LST. Again, 811 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: this is the nineties, and we don't know what they 812 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 1: were actually on it did it's maybe not, it may 813 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: not be what we think of as like LSD. Now 814 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: it could be slightly that you know that this is 815 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: a whole class of psychoactive drugs. That's unclear what they 816 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: were all actually being dosed with. Yeah, who the funk 817 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,879 Speaker 1: knows what they were being given and who the funk 818 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: knows what the actual like dose amount was. Yeah, we 819 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: have no no idea. It's also you know, I think 820 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: it's leary was the origin of the phrase that like 821 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: the things that determine what happens on a trip or 822 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,919 Speaker 1: set setting in dose, So your mindset, where you take 823 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: it and who you take it around, and the dose 824 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 1: and the fact that these are somewhat unique symptoms could 825 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: be to the fact that like other people taking ascid 826 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: have never taken it this way and town without knowing 827 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: what acid is like. So Kaplan's other objections revolve around 828 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: like the delivery system. He says, it's absurd this idea 829 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: of transmitting a very toxic drug by putting by putting 830 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 1: it in the bread as for pulver as to get 831 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: for ingestion through the air. That technology wasn't even possible 832 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: at the time. Most compelling lee why would they choose 833 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: the town of pont st A Spree to conduct these tests. 834 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: It was half destroyed by the U. S Army during 835 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: fighting with the Germans in the Second World War. It 836 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: makes no sense. And and to that, I say, that 837 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: makes it the perfect town for the CIA to funk 838 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 1: with Ian. Yeah, they generally would choose to dose someone 839 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: with acid because it sounded funny. Like. I think the 840 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: fact that this town was already kind of like only 841 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: half inhabited and half destroyed by the by the Second 842 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,879 Speaker 1: World War, that makes the perfect town to funk with like. 843 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: And also they also the CIA and the government very 844 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 1: much did have the means to try to distribute stuff 845 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: via the air, because we can see other we can 846 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: see other documents are in the time of them doing 847 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: this too, specific areas of of New York City. They 848 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 1: also tried to poison the entire New York Subway with 849 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: LSD in the fifties, but that was shut down by 850 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 1: higher ups in in the Central Intelligence. Unly, God what 851 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: a time that would have been. But but cap But 852 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 1: but Caplin isn't sure or got responsible either. Um. He 853 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: says that or combination would not have worked because it 854 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense that only one sack of grain would 855 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: have been affected. Um. And he says if it was 856 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 1: or got the the effects would have been way more widespread. 857 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: He rules out LSD in the grounds and the symptoms 858 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,799 Speaker 1: of people suffered, although similar don't quite fit what we 859 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,879 Speaker 1: modernly think of the drug. Also, I don't I don't 860 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: think Caplin's ever taken LSD, so I don't think talking 861 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,879 Speaker 1: about I think he's right about it probably not being 862 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: air got, but I don't think he knows much. Yeah, 863 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: hell he also he also he also points out that 864 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: LSD probably wouldn't have survived the fierce temperatures of the 865 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 1: baker's oven, although Albarelli counters that it could have been 866 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: that LST could have been added after the fact to 867 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: the surface of the breach. You could just drop it on. 868 00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,319 Speaker 1: You could just drop it on with like with like 869 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: liquid block, whichuld also explain how the effects were so 870 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: different from person to person, because one person may be 871 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 1: having a whole drop of LSD, where somebody maybe only 872 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: have like a tiny little like you know, spec of 873 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,839 Speaker 1: like speck of like like moist liquid. So I can 874 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,800 Speaker 1: explain some things, but you know, this is still pretty 875 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: much a mystery. You know, It's very clear it this 876 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,840 Speaker 1: very much, very well could have been some kind of 877 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: hidden LSD c I a experiment um or the CIA 878 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: could have just been you know, interested in studying what 879 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: happened in the town since they were also doing studies 880 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: into psychoactives substances at the time. Um, it could be 881 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: either or um. And that's where it's spooky because you'll 882 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: never know. So, yes, that is that. That is the 883 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: spooky incident of a French town basically thinking that they 884 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: lost their minds and then you know they do. We 885 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,360 Speaker 1: it is a little funny. It is definitely a little funny. Um. 886 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,320 Speaker 1: It's it is a great example of like the worst 887 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: way to trip. Yeah, that that's that's pretty high up there. Um. Anyway, 888 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,800 Speaker 1: critical support to the CIA for josing random people with acid. 889 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: Always one of my favorite sets of stories. You love 890 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,319 Speaker 1: to see it, so yeah, tune tune in, tune in 891 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: tomorrow for more spooky, spooky story and you can follow 892 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: the spooky social media that poisons your brain at cam 893 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,359 Speaker 1: up in here pod and cool zone media which yes, 894 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: Twitter will poison your brain. That is just as spooky, um, 895 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: more spooky, way worse for your brain than surprise c 896 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 1: I a acid To be honest, the acid wears off. 897 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,839 Speaker 1: I'm so close to clicking leaf meeting every time that 898 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: that bullshit comes up. It's like, yes, I can sent 899 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: the want to fucking here. All right, So we're starting 900 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: with that line from Daniel's well come to spooky. It 901 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:18,880 Speaker 1: could happen here. Today. We are discussing a truly spooky topic, 902 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: one that everyone is just really gonna hate. Uh, and 903 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: it's we're talking about let's say, esoteric keck is um 904 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,839 Speaker 1: and me magic. So Shanni, my brothers and sisters come 905 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: along on a ride. We read a whole book for this? 906 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,880 Speaker 1: Oh at least I did you read a book just 907 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,239 Speaker 1: for this? I would say that like all of the 908 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: books I read from age nineteen to twenty two prepared me. 909 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,320 Speaker 1: Have that have been preparing here for that? Yeah, the 910 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: books I read while I was doing psychedelics twice a week. 911 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,840 Speaker 1: All really, we're good background on this subject. Is you 912 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: want to kick us off? I don't so. I think firstly, 913 00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about we're gonna we're gonna emphasize awareness over 914 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,839 Speaker 1: amplification or that kind of my my goal for this 915 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 1: is that we can all be more aware of kind 916 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: of the power that images on the Internet can have 917 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: over influencing the actual world. And talking about people who 918 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,879 Speaker 1: believe this to a ridiculous degree and how they actually 919 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 1: have been able to institute change not only because of 920 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: this belief, just because of their dedication to this practice, 921 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 1: because it's it's because it's a thing that exists and 922 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,200 Speaker 1: it has had real world ramifications, and it's good to 923 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 1: understand that that's a thing, and that also maybe we 924 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,840 Speaker 1: can influence the way we like us use the Internet 925 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: to also maybe make good things happen as opposed to 926 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,120 Speaker 1: just being dooomers all the time. Um so that's kind 927 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: of what I wanted to to start with, many jubs 928 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: to that garrison, complete keeck with you God. Although to 929 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: be fair, the past few days I have just been 930 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,839 Speaker 1: spamming the it could have and here a group chat 931 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: with horrible nonsense surround to kick it has been the 932 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: most insufferable week of my life. Horrible nonsense like paragraphs, 933 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:16,560 Speaker 1: paragraph paragraphs, walls of text so big. Any any actually 934 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: safe working environment that cared about its employees would have 935 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: fired you long ago. Yeah. So, I think the other 936 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,919 Speaker 1: thing that we should definitely mention is that any type 937 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: of like occultism, mysticism, or like woo woo um has 938 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,320 Speaker 1: actually does have a decent history within right wing political 939 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,440 Speaker 1: ideas and specifically like you know, like more extreme like 940 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: right wing um stuff from the past few years. Like 941 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,200 Speaker 1: everyone's most people know that like the modern not like 942 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: the like the early Nazis had some mystical stuff going on. 943 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot more stuff going behind the scenes. A 944 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 1: lot of their favorite authors also were like practicing occultists. Um, 945 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,879 Speaker 1: this is this is this is a thing that goes 946 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,839 Speaker 1: back awhile you can even see this to some degree 947 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,560 Speaker 1: with like how close Christianity is to a lot of 948 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: the right wing, to a lot of like the modern 949 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 1: right wing the States as well, a lot of what 950 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 1: we would consider evangelical Christianity has a lot of stuff 951 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,880 Speaker 1: that's actually very similar to occultism. They just use different 952 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: terms because occultism and and like magic is taboo, But 953 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,720 Speaker 1: it's actually the same things. It's all like just it's interest. 954 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: It's interacting with the same systems, just with different words. 955 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,319 Speaker 1: So like this is this is the thing that is 956 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: is not it's it's not just on the internet. This 957 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,360 Speaker 1: is thing that's been going on for thousands of years. 958 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 1: In particular, the past one years, we've seen a big 959 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,759 Speaker 1: rise in the amount of like occultism and mysticism specifically 960 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 1: tied to politics. Yeah, and there's this. I mean, there 961 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,680 Speaker 1: have been a couple of articles written just recently about 962 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of like the Woo Woo left, 963 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: the kind of um, not really esoteric but kind of 964 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 1: mainstream a CULTI left, like the popa CULTI left has 965 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 1: has increasingly turned towards stuff like Q and On, And 966 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 1: a big chunk of it is like this, this openness 967 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,600 Speaker 1: to like feel power in coincidences, synchronicity would be they 968 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 1: is such. Yeah, and and just a general open mindedness 969 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: to um, maybe too many things. Sure, Yeah, I mean 970 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: it's you can see this on on on a lot 971 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,000 Speaker 1: of a lot of sides because it's yeah, it's it 972 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,800 Speaker 1: is definitely not just the right wing, because like the 973 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,560 Speaker 1: biggest example of it would probably be facets of Q 974 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: and On the past few years have done very similar 975 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,480 Speaker 1: types of things. Uh, there's a lot of other stuff 976 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,320 Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes, like how how Pepe operated 977 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:28,959 Speaker 1: was very similar to that, which is what we're mainly 978 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,680 Speaker 1: talking about today. Um, but you know, there is also 979 00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,400 Speaker 1: stuff like this on on the left wing, whether it 980 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,200 Speaker 1: be like New a G type stuff that seems to 981 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,960 Speaker 1: kind of mostly be bullshit, but there's a you know, 982 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,760 Speaker 1: other other type of like like like like folk magic 983 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,919 Speaker 1: or like indigenous traditions that have that have I would 984 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 1: say slightly more of uh, significantly more like there's reasonable 985 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,759 Speaker 1: actually stuff going on as opposed to just like New 986 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,399 Speaker 1: age selling books and that kind of stuff. Yeah. One 987 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: of the things that also separates actual religion from religion 988 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,320 Speaker 1: that kind of has formed in this nomadic way recently 989 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,799 Speaker 1: is that all of this stuff, particularly what we're talking 990 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,359 Speaker 1: about today, formed simultaneously with political sentiment and as and 991 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 1: and was was crafted and in a lot of cases, 992 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: like they state facts wrong specifically because they are trying 993 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,480 Speaker 1: to craft a political narrative alongside this like weird quasi 994 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,720 Speaker 1: spiritual things and speaking of spiritualism coming to the same 995 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,920 Speaker 1: kind of coming to the same and this is you know, 996 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,320 Speaker 1: we're all kind of anarchisty adjacent here. And one of 997 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,360 Speaker 1: the things that really came up around the same time 998 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 1: as anarchism in the twentieth century was a concept called 999 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 1: chaos magic, which was really really really tied to a 1000 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,960 Speaker 1: lot of old really tied to a lot of like 1001 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,560 Speaker 1: anarchist thought and anarchists kind of thinkers some of the 1002 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: most same as chaos magicians are like explicitly anarchists, someone 1003 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,239 Speaker 1: like Grant Morrison. Um. Others are like Discordians which have 1004 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,919 Speaker 1: a lot of like anarchists crossover stuff, like like Robert 1005 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 1: Enton Wilson, which kind of operates in that same ocean. Yeah, 1006 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 1: he played a big role in kind of pulling me 1007 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: away from proto alt right style beliefs. And I think 1008 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,120 Speaker 1: also a lot of his work was very intelligently crafted 1009 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,960 Speaker 1: because he wrote about conspiracies, He wrote about esoteric magic, 1010 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: but always with a really intent eye on increasing people's 1011 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 1: defenses to this kind of stuff what we're talking about today. Um, 1012 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,480 Speaker 1: he was very like cognizant of that, Like he wrote 1013 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,000 Speaker 1: about conspiracy as an enthusiast, but also as someone who 1014 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 1: was trying to stop um kind of unchecked conspiratorial belief. Yeah, 1015 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 1: he went awout about that in peculiar ways, but he 1016 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: was an odd man. Yeah. And the reason why I've 1017 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,760 Speaker 1: been getting more into this type of type of stuff 1018 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 1: the past year, uh increase. And the reason why I 1019 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 1: really like chaos magic as I like it as like 1020 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,360 Speaker 1: a postmodern system of magic of looking at how basically 1021 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,839 Speaker 1: if magic is just ideas and trying to figure out 1022 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,839 Speaker 1: how our brains can interact with the physical world. Then 1023 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,640 Speaker 1: chaos magic introduces a lot of interesting stuff around like 1024 00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,440 Speaker 1: late stage capitalism, because it is it's explicitly tied to 1025 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: to like postmodern art and postmodern thought, um in the 1026 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 1: way you know, brands and marketing and specifically the Internet 1027 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,799 Speaker 1: all affects our minds. All this stuff gets talked about 1028 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,319 Speaker 1: charis matic a lot, and I really like look using 1029 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,640 Speaker 1: that framework for things um and speaking of that kind 1030 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,040 Speaker 1: of stuff specifically around the Internet, we're gonna be talking about. 1031 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 1: The first thing I want to mention is like the 1032 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,000 Speaker 1: concept of searching for something and then you're like you're 1033 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,000 Speaker 1: and you're gonna find it, whether that you know, Robert 1034 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,400 Speaker 1: Enton Wilson and um, like the Illuminatious Trilogies has like 1035 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,760 Speaker 1: and and like, and Discordianism has like twenty three and 1036 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,000 Speaker 1: the Law of Fives. Right. I I read that book 1037 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 1: when I was twenty and I have been like seeing 1038 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,880 Speaker 1: twenty three's repeatedly at like significant moments in my life 1039 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 1: for the last fourteen years or so. Like, Yeah, it's 1040 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 1: it's like, once you get that kind of meme implanted 1041 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 1: in your brain, it can stick with you for forever. 1042 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: And and this this happens to everything. You know, this 1043 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,800 Speaker 1: happens to This happens to everyone. Like once you learn 1044 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: about a new topic, the next day, you'll see it 1045 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,920 Speaker 1: somewhere right, You'll like, you'll you'll be and it's it's 1046 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,640 Speaker 1: in all these places that you didn't see it before. 1047 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,200 Speaker 1: This happens all of the time with everything. This is 1048 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,200 Speaker 1: how this is like how synchronicity works, and this is 1049 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 1: where religions come from, Yeah, throughout history. And it's because 1050 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,960 Speaker 1: like this all has its roots in why we're very 1051 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,440 Speaker 1: good hunters. We are patterned and we're pattern recognition, like 1052 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,840 Speaker 1: our brains are pattern recognizing machines. That's what we're best at. 1053 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,920 Speaker 1: And it means that we're good at spotting berries and 1054 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,120 Speaker 1: tracking deer. And it also means that we can't stop 1055 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:35,160 Speaker 1: making religions. We can and if we have one too 1056 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: many synchronicities, we can change the entire way we view 1057 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,160 Speaker 1: view about the like the whole world, which can have 1058 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 1: varying degrees of effects. Sometimes it can if it's just 1059 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,919 Speaker 1: a little bit that can maybe back tould be very helpful. Um, 1060 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 1: if you join a weird cult that does messed up stuff, 1061 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,080 Speaker 1: then it's like, yeah, that's a problem. Yeah, sometimes it 1062 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,919 Speaker 1: ends in burning man and sometimes it ends and burning men. Yeah, 1063 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,720 Speaker 1: dropped the bomb. So first thing I want to kind 1064 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,200 Speaker 1: of discuss before we get into the actual timeline of 1065 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: how pepcism became a thing, I want to just do 1066 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 1: a brief overview of sigils and memes um and the 1067 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:18,240 Speaker 1: idea of what Like, let's let's take the original concept 1068 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 1: of the meme, which is like you know, the it's 1069 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,280 Speaker 1: genes are genetic, memes are cultural. There's air cultural ideas 1070 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:30,600 Speaker 1: that can spread like a virus um and usually memes. 1071 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,320 Speaker 1: In the since since since the Internet has become way 1072 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,600 Speaker 1: more popular, memes have become more tied to images, like like, 1073 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,200 Speaker 1: memes are a much more visual thing now, whereas in 1074 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,960 Speaker 1: the nineties they were more of just like like an 1075 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,160 Speaker 1: idea concept, but now they have like in this extra 1076 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,160 Speaker 1: visual backing. So a sigil is a is a magical 1077 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,640 Speaker 1: concept and mostly to chaos magic, which is basically an 1078 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,800 Speaker 1: abstract concept um or or like a specific concept put 1079 00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,960 Speaker 1: into an abstract image that then gets charged and then 1080 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,840 Speaker 1: it's going to manifest itself in your life. The reason 1081 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,480 Speaker 1: why this works it's because part part of this desire 1082 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,200 Speaker 1: gets implanted deep in your brain when you charge it 1083 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,240 Speaker 1: through like a trance or that there's a there's there's 1084 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 1: like there's different methods of charging sigils, but you have this, 1085 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,600 Speaker 1: you have this concept and this idea and this desire 1086 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,720 Speaker 1: and it gets put into you. So you're gonna kind 1087 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,400 Speaker 1: of subconsciously do things that that influence it into becoming 1088 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,040 Speaker 1: something that you can see. Just like you know, if 1089 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,680 Speaker 1: you're if you're looking, if you hear about twenty three, 1090 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna see it. Same thing for this. It's it's 1091 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 1: it's it's the same kind of based concept. Um. And 1092 01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,840 Speaker 1: then Grant Morrison of comic book Writers, right, my favorite 1093 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,080 Speaker 1: comic book writer. He he was, he's really the only 1094 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 1: person that's developed sigil's more since their inception UM with 1095 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,000 Speaker 1: the concept of a hyper sigil, which is taking this 1096 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,040 Speaker 1: theme idea of like wanting to influence change in the 1097 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 1: world via this visual medium of a sigil, and instead 1098 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,800 Speaker 1: of just having it be like an abstract glyph that 1099 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,320 Speaker 1: you charge, hyper sigil is an entire work of art 1100 01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,080 Speaker 1: with this express interest. Um. So everything that you do 1101 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,600 Speaker 1: in this is trying to get some type of real 1102 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,440 Speaker 1: world change, and it's very very intentional, Right, and a 1103 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: lot of art already oprights like this. This is why 1104 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,840 Speaker 1: a lot of postmodern magic is very similar just to 1105 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 1: like making art, because it's the same kind of basic idea, 1106 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,320 Speaker 1: whether that be something like you know, like the matrix 1107 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,800 Speaker 1: or you know, any any type of art kind of 1108 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,360 Speaker 1: does this already. If it is good um and it in, 1109 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,800 Speaker 1: it can find ways to influence reality. So memes operate 1110 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,680 Speaker 1: on this same way, and eventually people actually found it. 1111 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,960 Speaker 1: Eventually people on four ch and realize that that they 1112 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,560 Speaker 1: were doing sigils and started using this word because it's 1113 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,080 Speaker 1: really the same thing when you're when you're altering all 1114 01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,000 Speaker 1: of these images of this frog and posting it into 1115 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,040 Speaker 1: all these different kind of more abstract more like ugly 1116 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 1: obscure kind of like weird like surreal types of types 1117 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,720 Speaker 1: of memes, and you're spamming them on politicians Twitter account. 1118 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,240 Speaker 1: You're basically doing a group a group sedul and a 1119 01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,560 Speaker 1: group hyper cigul because you're all making these individual things 1120 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 1: and you're spamming them into the world, and because there's 1121 01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,880 Speaker 1: so many of them, yeah, they're gonna have they're gonna 1122 01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,160 Speaker 1: have a real world effect, and they're going to have 1123 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,000 Speaker 1: a real world effect in part because of the way 1124 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,680 Speaker 1: human brains work, in part because of the way algorithms work, 1125 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,320 Speaker 1: which is one of the things where like it's it's easy, 1126 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,440 Speaker 1: especially if you're an impressionable kid, to mistake the algorithm 1127 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 1: doing what it's designed to do, which is find patterns 1128 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,560 Speaker 1: groups of people sharing something and expand that to a 1129 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,520 Speaker 1: larger group of people, because oh, if this cluster of 1130 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,640 Speaker 1: people like this, this will probably be something that's very 1131 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Algorithms are great at making synchronicities because that's what they're 1132 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,120 Speaker 1: designed to do. That's what they're supposed that that's the 1133 01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,720 Speaker 1: whole point of why they exist, and that's why this 1134 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,320 Speaker 1: is that that that's why are because as you stated 1135 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,920 Speaker 1: a little earlier, and one of these days on Bastards, 1136 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Helena Blovotsky and like the Theosophy 1137 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,600 Speaker 1: movement and more detail, like all of the occult stuff 1138 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,000 Speaker 1: that fed into the Third the early stage of the 1139 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Third Reich. But the occult back then is very different 1140 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,880 Speaker 1: from the kind of occult feeding into fascism now, which 1141 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,120 Speaker 1: is heavily based around synchronicity, because it's also heavily based 1142 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,560 Speaker 1: around social media and the way memes bread. Yeah, that's why. 1143 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,360 Speaker 1: That's I think chaos magic has really gotten kind of 1144 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: a resurgence the past few years with social media and 1145 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,760 Speaker 1: how algorithms developed, because they do mirror a lot of 1146 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,760 Speaker 1: the concepts within chaos magic, because the Internet is kind 1147 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,560 Speaker 1: of a chaotic place. But also it's not just pure chaos. 1148 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,600 Speaker 1: It is chaos within a framework of order, which is 1149 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,360 Speaker 1: why I like the like the like the chaos star, 1150 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,040 Speaker 1: like the like the actual like chaos like sigil. Yes, 1151 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,520 Speaker 1: the arrows are pointing in every direction, but you can 1152 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,640 Speaker 1: make a perfect circle around all of the arrows. It's 1153 01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,480 Speaker 1: because it's not just pure chaos, it actually is contained 1154 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,520 Speaker 1: with within this other framework. And by the way, Garrison, 1155 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,760 Speaker 1: when you started talking about synchronigeas and sigils, I checked 1156 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,440 Speaker 1: my phone for a second and saw that it was 1157 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:41,080 Speaker 1: five seventeen on October five. Of course contains both two 1158 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,640 Speaker 1: and three and as thus a sacred number October twenty three. 1159 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to explain why that significant. And it's yeah, 1160 01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 1: but it's the twenty three on my phone. Why because 1161 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:58,520 Speaker 1: my phone's fucked up? Because because because now the universe, baby, 1162 01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,080 Speaker 1: that's the synchronicity. I'm living in the future. Motherfucker's And 1163 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 1: what time is it that it's not right now? It 1164 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:11,200 Speaker 1: was phone and the other time it is. I don't 1165 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,400 Speaker 1: need to know what time it is your default. No, no, yeah, 1166 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,640 Speaker 1: you're you're you're on a different, different dimensional plane. Now 1167 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,400 Speaker 1: we have two into two different ones. I think I 1168 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,560 Speaker 1: think that I think this gives up gives us a 1169 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,400 Speaker 1: perfect opportunity for the audience to find their own synchronicities 1170 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,800 Speaker 1: in these ads, because who knows what's going to happen, 1171 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:38,560 Speaker 1: what's gonna play, So look for patterns and you'll find them. 1172 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,080 Speaker 1: Here's some as I hope it's an ad for the 1173 01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:47,480 Speaker 1: Egyptian goddess Mott and we are back, We're gonna, We're 1174 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,400 Speaker 1: gonna now actually kind of get into some of the 1175 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,920 Speaker 1: some of the actual peppe nonsense. UM. I think another 1176 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,880 Speaker 1: important part to mention is that like for a lot 1177 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,160 Speaker 1: of people doing this online, this this is like an 1178 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,480 Speaker 1: online pattern that happens all the time. Um, it happens 1179 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,960 Speaker 1: with It happens with stuff like this, It happens with 1180 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,080 Speaker 1: with with cat boys, it happens with a whole bunch 1181 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,640 Speaker 1: of stuff. Is that like stuff starts as a joke 1182 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,000 Speaker 1: and then you do it a lot, and the repetition 1183 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,920 Speaker 1: basically makes you do it genuinely. Yeah, like me talking 1184 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,640 Speaker 1: about getting all of my followers to a compound in 1185 01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,320 Speaker 1: Idaho where we die fighting the f d A exactly 1186 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,640 Speaker 1: Intually that turns into an actual death cult. So it's 1187 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,720 Speaker 1: it's it starts as a joke and then under repetition 1188 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,920 Speaker 1: it becomes genuine. This happens so basically almost everything on 1189 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,200 Speaker 1: the internet. Yeah, this, this, this, this, this leads to 1190 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,680 Speaker 1: Garrison and I doing the inevitable Robert Evans Behind the 1191 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,600 Speaker 1: Bastards episode episode the three part or if I ever 1192 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:46,120 Speaker 1: heard one you you hope so you wish what what 1193 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,640 Speaker 1: are what are cat boys? This is different? That's a 1194 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,439 Speaker 1: different you're here, that is a different podcast, I think, Yeah, Hi, sorry, 1195 01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,160 Speaker 1: I know I only interjected briefly. Is that is that? 1196 01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:02,320 Speaker 1: Are they? Are they like prefurries? That's different? No, cowboys, Fury, 1197 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's it's it's it's rehumanizing the it's 1198 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,160 Speaker 1: rehumanizing the furies. So like the same way that the 1199 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,160 Speaker 1: same way, the same way Sonic the Hedgehog is a 1200 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:20,560 Speaker 1: re mickey mousification of vegeta. Uh, cowboys are a humanification 1201 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,680 Speaker 1: of furries. This is a whole process on the I 1202 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,840 Speaker 1: can explain this in great detail in the later episode, 1203 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,080 Speaker 1: but I think we have enough. We have enough to 1204 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,400 Speaker 1: talk about already. Thank you so much, my dog. Okay. 1205 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:37,440 Speaker 1: Sure would someone be willing to sacrifice their own mentality 1206 01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:42,360 Speaker 1: to describe the rise of Pepe and just originally in 1207 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,560 Speaker 1: the early twenty teens, Yeah, so it started is this 1208 01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,920 Speaker 1: guy's comic that there was nothing particularly about. Yeah, it 1209 01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 1: was just it was a dude's comic. He was like, uh, 1210 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,280 Speaker 1: feels good man, was kind of a good man. He 1211 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,960 Speaker 1: was a chill dude. He was a chill dude. Yeah, 1212 01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,280 Speaker 1: not a fascist comic. Peppe is actually pretty fun. Yeah, 1213 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,120 Speaker 1: comic Pepe, He's like, he's like a millennial slacker who 1214 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,959 Speaker 1: doesn't really know what to do with his life after 1215 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,800 Speaker 1: like after nine eleven, after the financial crash. He's just 1216 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,960 Speaker 1: trying to kind of get by the comics. Fine. Yeah, 1217 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: the comics fine, but the art just that kind of 1218 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,120 Speaker 1: the specifics of how he drew Pepe made him very 1219 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,600 Speaker 1: well suited for a meme because he's expressive and he 1220 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,560 Speaker 1: so he shows up and starts getting spread in four chan, 1221 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,640 Speaker 1: and you know that kind of idea goes viral, and 1222 01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,520 Speaker 1: it particularly gets attached to a lot of like the 1223 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,880 Speaker 1: political ship on Pole and the people who are like 1224 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,520 Speaker 1: churning into gamer Gate and the right sad. Pepe gets 1225 01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,240 Speaker 1: very popular, smug Pepe gets very popular. Yeah, yeah, And 1226 01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:48,600 Speaker 1: then as so kick is text of it, like later on, 1227 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,840 Speaker 1: I think we'll go over more for like how Pepe 1228 01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,200 Speaker 1: is like the cartoon character got you know, as soon 1229 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,640 Speaker 1: as it becomes a meme, it spreads out into all corners. 1230 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,040 Speaker 1: And the people who means this hardest were were on fortune. 1231 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,280 Speaker 1: So this is how pep Peppe became very kind of 1232 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,080 Speaker 1: tied to this. And I think the last bullet in 1233 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,160 Speaker 1: Pepe really solidifying him as as an alt right meanings 1234 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:13,040 Speaker 1: specifically was the Richard Spencer punch. I think think that's 1235 01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,800 Speaker 1: the thing that actually was like done. It's like, no, 1236 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,599 Speaker 1: Pepe is just this now, he can't be anything else 1237 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,799 Speaker 1: because but when when when Richard Spencer was being punched, 1238 01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,880 Speaker 1: he was describing what Pepe was. That was what's happening 1239 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,760 Speaker 1: in that specific viral moment. If you want to talk 1240 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,639 Speaker 1: about like magical terms, this is Pepe getting like charged, 1241 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: like this is the idea of like this idea getting 1242 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,879 Speaker 1: getting charged because it is now going to be perflated 1243 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,320 Speaker 1: to the masses in this in this moment of like 1244 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,479 Speaker 1: pure motion. So that's when Pepe really gets tied to. 1245 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,120 Speaker 1: And I think Hillary Clinton made it very, very worse 1246 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 1: the way she talked about this kind of stuff on 1247 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:52,400 Speaker 1: her speeches basically gave gave the all right a baseball 1248 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,559 Speaker 1: bat to hit her with the the problem that Clinton 1249 01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,240 Speaker 1: and everyone else because like a big part of I 1250 01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,759 Speaker 1: would argue that like the largest part of why Pepe 1251 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,800 Speaker 1: became a thing that was destined to last was that 1252 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,040 Speaker 1: pundits and politicians, including Hillary and media people kept talking 1253 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,240 Speaker 1: about it as a fascist symbol and kept discussing like 1254 01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,600 Speaker 1: what it was, and that anyone who grew up on 1255 01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,800 Speaker 1: the Internet, who grew up around these communities knows that 1256 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,640 Speaker 1: you would ignore them as much as possible, to the 1257 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,600 Speaker 1: extent that that's possible. You don't feed the troll you 1258 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,160 Speaker 1: don't give them power, Yeah, you don't, And and talking 1259 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,800 Speaker 1: about it again, this is like chas mat like referencing it, 1260 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,240 Speaker 1: bringing it up, bringing it into the real world gives 1261 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,040 Speaker 1: it power. That's the thing that feeds it. Yeah, So 1262 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,200 Speaker 1: that that's how it got so much more power the 1263 01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,479 Speaker 1: more Clinton talked about it, the more news media wrote 1264 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,200 Speaker 1: about it, everyone got so excited on fortune. That's like 1265 01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,760 Speaker 1: that's that's that's like, that is them winning than them 1266 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:47,320 Speaker 1: seeing this thing. And and then and then this goes 1267 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,600 Speaker 1: back pre even being far I can't remember because I 1268 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,960 Speaker 1: was in these spaces when they first started doing ship 1269 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,840 Speaker 1: like raids on the Church of Scientology. Every time there 1270 01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,439 Speaker 1: would be actual, like news coverage of what people on 1271 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,880 Speaker 1: the Internet did, it got people so fucking excited because 1272 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,679 Speaker 1: like the Internet had been this thing that didn't matter 1273 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,080 Speaker 1: for the longest. I think in the in the book 1274 01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,599 Speaker 1: I read about this kind of stuff, they did use 1275 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,680 Speaker 1: the example of like Anonymous and the raids on Centology 1276 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,439 Speaker 1: being like a precursor to this type of like me 1277 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,760 Speaker 1: magic of this thing like like internet forums influencing the 1278 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,599 Speaker 1: real world through repetition and getting getting to grow power. 1279 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,880 Speaker 1: We're getting people who don't use Internet to talk about 1280 01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,519 Speaker 1: these same things. It was like a precursor to then 1281 01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,320 Speaker 1: what we what we saw the al right, which is 1282 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,960 Speaker 1: which is a pretty pretty common opinion. Um and then 1283 01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,560 Speaker 1: and then enter enter the Egyptian gods. Roberts, do you 1284 01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,080 Speaker 1: wanna do you wanna? I don't wanna. I don't wanna 1285 01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,680 Speaker 1: discuss that. We're gonna That's what we're gonna say. Next is, 1286 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,719 Speaker 1: how is this intersex with Egyptian gods? The ancient pharaoh 1287 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,439 Speaker 1: has played a card game of ancient and terrible power man. 1288 01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:03,559 Speaker 1: Nobody wats you as a kid, This is no now, Robert, 1289 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,000 Speaker 1: do you wanna do you wanna? Do you wanna? Do 1290 01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,760 Speaker 1: you want to discuss keck? Yeah? I mean so way 1291 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,840 Speaker 1: back in the day, um and I think I think 1292 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,760 Speaker 1: this even pre dates World war Craft. I remember at 1293 01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,280 Speaker 1: first happening on like StarCraft Games online, there would be 1294 01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,479 Speaker 1: like gamers from Korea, and like when you were doing 1295 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,320 Speaker 1: like a Zurg rush or something, which is when you 1296 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,120 Speaker 1: have a bunch of guys and they all attack the 1297 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,040 Speaker 1: enemy base or whatever, they would type out their term 1298 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,000 Speaker 1: for l O L, which was like keck k e 1299 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,720 Speaker 1: K yeah kau k so would usually just look like 1300 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,400 Speaker 1: a stream of k e K e k k k 1301 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,160 Speaker 1: k over and over and over again. This really took 1302 01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,280 Speaker 1: off in World of Warcraft, where like there were Korean 1303 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,320 Speaker 1: gold farmers were a big thing, and like keck was 1304 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,400 Speaker 1: something that like everyone kind of knew what it meant 1305 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,040 Speaker 1: because it was often the only thing you can understand. 1306 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,400 Speaker 1: You could you could understand as an American that like 1307 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,120 Speaker 1: these people would be typing um and it as a 1308 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,400 Speaker 1: result of kind of all of that, it took off 1309 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,280 Speaker 1: an internet culture as just an l O L and 1310 01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 1: specifically like one of the things that's going on here 1311 01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,880 Speaker 1: as the mid a it's dawn and the Internet becomes 1312 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,120 Speaker 1: serious business and like social media really and everybody's even 1313 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,559 Speaker 1: before social media is dominant, but just when everybody's taking 1314 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,160 Speaker 1: the Internet seriously, it's clear there's a lot of money 1315 01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,400 Speaker 1: in it. It's it's mainstream. You have this this kind 1316 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,320 Speaker 1: of second generation of Internet people who got on in 1317 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,559 Speaker 1: the late nineties early two thousands when they were kids, 1318 01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,800 Speaker 1: who get frustrated at the fact that all of these 1319 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,559 Speaker 1: different terms and phrases and like bits of Internet culture 1320 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:29,800 Speaker 1: that they had identified with our going mainstream and are 1321 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,360 Speaker 1: using them. Yeah. Yeah, And keck is everyone knows what 1322 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,080 Speaker 1: l O L is. People don't know what keck is. 1323 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,080 Speaker 1: So in places like four Chan, that becomes a really 1324 01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:41,240 Speaker 1: popular thing. And keck kind of is like so keck 1325 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,880 Speaker 1: as a as a term for laughters like floating around 1326 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,040 Speaker 1: at the same time as like pepe a memes, and 1327 01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,560 Speaker 1: so whenever you whenever you like meme something into the mainstream, 1328 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,439 Speaker 1: whenever like some four chan op or whatever you wanna 1329 01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,880 Speaker 1: call it, like succeeds in getting main streams. It's as 1330 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,920 Speaker 1: Hiler Clinton mentions Peppe on stage, everyone in fourtune goes 1331 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,920 Speaker 1: kick because they're laughing. They go can they say, like 1332 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,240 Speaker 1: top kick and whatnot? And and and eventually somebody realizes 1333 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,439 Speaker 1: that there's an Egyptian goddess. One of the translations of 1334 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,960 Speaker 1: that god and goddess his name is k e k Um. 1335 01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,360 Speaker 1: Now there's a couple of other translations. There's there's there's 1336 01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:15,880 Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of issues with this if you 1337 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,559 Speaker 1: wanted to look at it, that's with a rational kind 1338 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,320 Speaker 1: of brain. Is because like this, there was this old 1339 01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,120 Speaker 1: family of god's are very very old old Egyptian gods. 1340 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,800 Speaker 1: They all had male and female versions. The male versions 1341 01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,240 Speaker 1: all had frog heads um and but around frogs can 1342 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:35,320 Speaker 1: change their gender, so like so like all of the 1343 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,200 Speaker 1: all this whole era of Egyptian gods all had frog heads. 1344 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,040 Speaker 1: So there was one of them that was named Keck 1345 01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,360 Speaker 1: who was a god of chaos. And this also played 1346 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,800 Speaker 1: into how Fortune was using Trump because like they liked 1347 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,840 Speaker 1: Trump mostly as like as like a chaotic reforce that 1348 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,920 Speaker 1: got people angry, because that's what that's what Fortune wanted 1349 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,320 Speaker 1: to do as well. They wanted to be a chaotic 1350 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,320 Speaker 1: force again that gets people angry. That's why they really 1351 01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:58,680 Speaker 1: latched onto Trump. Um. And then when they found out that, 1352 01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,320 Speaker 1: oh there's this god named Keck who is like the 1353 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:06,280 Speaker 1: lord of like like like um like pro what's the 1354 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,160 Speaker 1: word um, primordial darkness, primordial darkness. Yeah, and this idea 1355 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:16,120 Speaker 1: not yeah yeah, kind of like um um urinus and 1356 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,600 Speaker 1: like Greco Roman faith, right, like a god kind of 1357 01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,320 Speaker 1: before the gods that are are more well known. But 1358 01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,280 Speaker 1: like this was a synchronicity, so they took it as like, 1359 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, the same way religions take take synchronicity and 1360 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,320 Speaker 1: create and create like divinity. They took this as like 1361 01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,519 Speaker 1: this take they took this as like divinity. Again this 1362 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,200 Speaker 1: this starts as a joke, but you do it enough 1363 01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,840 Speaker 1: and you start to take it seriously, and there's a 1364 01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,960 Speaker 1: you get a mix of um, you get a mix 1365 01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,080 Speaker 1: of of real like Egyptology was that. Yeah, there was 1366 01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,559 Speaker 1: a god named Kick like among a bunch of other gods. 1367 01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:51,720 Speaker 1: One of the ways he was depicted was with a 1368 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,160 Speaker 1: frog head. But also like bad egyptology. Like I found 1369 01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,760 Speaker 1: an article on the word plus press blog Peppe the 1370 01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,160 Speaker 1: frog Faith, which oh, I'm sure this, I'm of this 1371 01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,240 Speaker 1: is like a bastion of archaeology, and and the title 1372 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,760 Speaker 1: is amateur egyptologist weighs in on the frog statue hieroglyphs. 1373 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,479 Speaker 1: And one of the things he points out are talking 1374 01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,439 Speaker 1: about the frog statues that isn't check but they thought 1375 01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,720 Speaker 1: it was kick yeah, yeah, yeah, and a number of things. 1376 01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,280 Speaker 1: So like one of the things this guy claims is 1377 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,640 Speaker 1: that the hieroglyphics for Keeck are a frogman um and 1378 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,760 Speaker 1: then a couple of what he calls baskets. First, not 1379 01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:26,400 Speaker 1: their cups, not baskets. Second, the actual um uh hieroglyphics 1380 01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,799 Speaker 1: for for k e K don't include the little frogman. 1381 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,479 Speaker 1: They're like the two of the little cups in this 1382 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,600 Speaker 1: weird T shaped thing. Like yeah, it's all, it's all, 1383 01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,120 Speaker 1: Like it's bad again, amateur egyptologist. Like he's just a 1384 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,400 Speaker 1: kid who was googling stuff and like got some either 1385 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,120 Speaker 1: lied or got some hieroglyphics wrong. But this kind of 1386 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,720 Speaker 1: stuff compounds. But Keck as like an idea of is 1387 01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,240 Speaker 1: like now we have a backing of an ancient god. 1388 01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,599 Speaker 1: Again first as a joke, but then some people start 1389 01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,439 Speaker 1: to take it more seriously. Really really caught on among 1390 01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,599 Speaker 1: people because because because it's funny, like it's it's just funny, 1391 01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,760 Speaker 1: and it is funny, it seem funny. That's gonna catch 1392 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,439 Speaker 1: on on for chat because it's hilarious, right, so they're 1393 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,800 Speaker 1: gonna start using this and repeating this and creating a 1394 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,479 Speaker 1: whole new memes, creating Like there's like there's like an 1395 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,000 Speaker 1: eight eight part book series that's like fake books written 1396 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,639 Speaker 1: by like someone who's like just me big but pretending 1397 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:19,679 Speaker 1: to take it seriously, but like the authenticity doesn't actually 1398 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,360 Speaker 1: matter because because it exists, it doesn't actually matter how 1399 01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:27,120 Speaker 1: athtic it is. Yeah, Like, and there's there's weird coincidences 1400 01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,240 Speaker 1: that continue to occur, Like one of the biggest being 1401 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,280 Speaker 1: there's this like phrase shadow, which creeps up in all 1402 01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,599 Speaker 1: of this and becomes like this exhortation that they use 1403 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,720 Speaker 1: like a way of like exclaiming and such. And then 1404 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,960 Speaker 1: somebody figures out that shadow is also a song, like 1405 01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,240 Speaker 1: an allow disco song I think from the seventies and 1406 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,400 Speaker 1: the album that Shadow is on has like a frog 1407 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,200 Speaker 1: man face on the cover. Um, and so they're like 1408 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,599 Speaker 1: it's a sign like all of the because you're gonna 1409 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,360 Speaker 1: find frogs wherever you look now, because that has becomes 1410 01:16:54,479 --> 01:17:01,240 Speaker 1: the uncommon fends ever. Are gonna find them everywhere now 1411 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,960 Speaker 1: and there are every ancient religion everywhere in the world. 1412 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get guaranteed there's some fucking frogs in it, 1413 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:11,040 Speaker 1: because like they're everywhere, and they're old creatures peoples, they've 1414 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,240 Speaker 1: been around for a long time, have been around. So 1415 01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,960 Speaker 1: the other the other thing that happened, so people not 1416 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:23,280 Speaker 1: only basically created their whole mythology around this, creating different 1417 01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,599 Speaker 1: types of religion. There was like keckis m as a religion, 1418 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,240 Speaker 1: the cult of keck Um, esoter Keechism, all of their 1419 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,800 Speaker 1: own distinct differences. Because these people spend all their time 1420 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,920 Speaker 1: on the internet. Um, they developed all these things. And 1421 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,400 Speaker 1: they also found this old frog statue that they said 1422 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,559 Speaker 1: was keck it Actually it isn't. It's actually it's actually 1423 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,920 Speaker 1: a gold called heck it Um. But on the basis 1424 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:50,160 Speaker 1: does it does, it doesn't matter. But on the base 1425 01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,400 Speaker 1: of the statue it had it had gliphs which appear 1426 01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:57,519 Speaker 1: to us modern humans as they look like someone sitting 1427 01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,960 Speaker 1: on a computer. Like they look like like someone sitting 1428 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,560 Speaker 1: in front of a monitor on a keyboard. Um, and 1429 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,559 Speaker 1: on the other side of the keyboard is a DNA 1430 01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,439 Speaker 1: is like what looks like a DNA spiral. So this 1431 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:11,280 Speaker 1: is like Jesus like jeans, right, jeans, jeans are DNA. 1432 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,200 Speaker 1: Memes are cultural DNA. This is a glyph of the 1433 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,839 Speaker 1: god Teck on a statue with someone on a computer 1434 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,800 Speaker 1: with a DNA spiral. Of course they're gonna take this 1435 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,080 Speaker 1: is like some like message from the from the gods. 1436 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,400 Speaker 1: You're like, yes, I'm supposed to be. I am supposed 1437 01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,760 Speaker 1: to be by my meming, I'm doing Keex's work to 1438 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:36,559 Speaker 1: put Trump into office. Yeah it's um god, that's frustrating insurance. Uh, 1439 01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,080 Speaker 1: it sure is. But like all of those in the 1440 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,880 Speaker 1: in group, this is like the statue was just a 1441 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:42,600 Speaker 1: depiction of what the check people and the and the 1442 01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,679 Speaker 1: Pepper Spaniards were doing posting on the Internet to manifest 1443 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,240 Speaker 1: real world change, and that's that's all it is. If 1444 01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,760 Speaker 1: you want to see other examples of this, like if 1445 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,760 Speaker 1: you look at the ancient alien stuff, there's this like 1446 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,840 Speaker 1: famous Mayana higher glyph of the astronomer that's like if 1447 01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,920 Speaker 1: you if you know what a telescope is, because you're 1448 01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,479 Speaker 1: looking at it a thousand years after it was carved, 1449 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,640 Speaker 1: it kind of looks like it might be a telescope. 1450 01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,160 Speaker 1: And it's part of what people say, like, oh, this 1451 01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,040 Speaker 1: is proof that like that this is an alien, Like 1452 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,639 Speaker 1: he's looking at a fucking telescope. No, it was, there's 1453 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,559 Speaker 1: other explanations for it. It was something like that somebody carved. Yeah, 1454 01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,160 Speaker 1: I think there's another thing that you start and I 1455 01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,519 Speaker 1: see this like not even like I see this just 1456 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,160 Speaker 1: this is just on the end of all time, like 1457 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,679 Speaker 1: I see left, just do this or like so like okay, 1458 01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,880 Speaker 1: so you learn something and then oh it's not true, 1459 01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,080 Speaker 1: But then people will keep spreading the thing because they'll 1460 01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:36,439 Speaker 1: say people say, yeah, yeah, well it has more power 1461 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,760 Speaker 1: with it, so you're still going to believe it. Yeah, 1462 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,120 Speaker 1: Like when we talk about the fact that Will Wheaton 1463 01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,160 Speaker 1: murdered three people in if you want to this is 1464 01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:50,320 Speaker 1: the message like yeah, yeah with a knife, what's horrible. Yeah, Now, 1465 01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean he was in Thailand at the time, so 1466 01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,000 Speaker 1: he was able to get out and we don't extra diet, 1467 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,080 Speaker 1: so he's he's got out Scott free. But yeah, I 1468 01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:58,840 Speaker 1: mean like this is like the same this is the 1469 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,120 Speaker 1: same thing that Rump does, which we'll talk about it, 1470 01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,000 Speaker 1: but we'll talk about a bit. It's like if you 1471 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,920 Speaker 1: would apeate the thing enough, it becomes true for large 1472 01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,599 Speaker 1: swats of the population that that's that's that's all truth 1473 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,120 Speaker 1: actually needs to be for people. Um, I think I 1474 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,439 Speaker 1: think we're gonna go and break uh and come back 1475 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,720 Speaker 1: and close us, close us up, and finally finished this 1476 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:25,320 Speaker 1: horrible discussion. Um. Anyone know who won't meme fascism? Well, actually, 1477 01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:31,599 Speaker 1: KFC the have you seen have you seen the KFC 1478 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:37,400 Speaker 1: fascist posting on Twitter? There's like a Spanish KFC account 1479 01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,439 Speaker 1: that has been doing that that is up to some ship. Yeah, 1480 01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,800 Speaker 1: I hate I hate that. That's a sentence that that 1481 01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:54,439 Speaker 1: that you got to say, just products and we are back. 1482 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:59,080 Speaker 1: I have finished an entire dark meat bucket and I 1483 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:04,720 Speaker 1: am so full. Um yep, And now I'm sad. I'm 1484 01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,120 Speaker 1: sad because I'm still thinking of the fascist KFC Twitter account. Um, 1485 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,920 Speaker 1: so we we The other thing I want to do, 1486 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,719 Speaker 1: want to mention is kind of Trump's own uh power 1487 01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,919 Speaker 1: of belief kind of idea and how Trump was basically 1488 01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,880 Speaker 1: using esoteric terms, was able to basically create an alternate 1489 01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,840 Speaker 1: reality for millions of people to live in. UM. And 1490 01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,960 Speaker 1: there's really no getting through to them now because they 1491 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,360 Speaker 1: are literally just in a just in a different dimension, 1492 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,519 Speaker 1: and there's just there's there's no way to pierce that 1493 01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,519 Speaker 1: other dimension. They're basically living in just a totally alternate 1494 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,560 Speaker 1: reality there. There's there's no use saying that it is 1495 01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,479 Speaker 1: the one that we live in. UM. So Trump was 1496 01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,640 Speaker 1: obsessed with a few of these ideas. He's less than 1497 01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,120 Speaker 1: like the like, He's less interested in like the woo 1498 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,759 Speaker 1: and more interested in like the power of positive thinking, 1499 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,000 Speaker 1: power of your own belief. He grew up in a 1500 01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:58,240 Speaker 1: movement and a specific stuff. Yeah, he grew up following 1501 01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,560 Speaker 1: a specific movement and church called that falls under the 1502 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:05,760 Speaker 1: umbrella called New Thought UM, which is where Trump's you know, 1503 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,960 Speaker 1: Trump's like like how strong Trump's ego is comes from 1504 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,000 Speaker 1: this idea of that you need to reinforce yourself and 1505 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,960 Speaker 1: reinforce your own victories because if you do that, you're 1506 01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,360 Speaker 1: gonna you're you're gonna find them, right if if you're 1507 01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,519 Speaker 1: looking for you're gonna find it. If you're looking for 1508 01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,360 Speaker 1: your own victories, you're going to force them to happen, um, 1509 01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,680 Speaker 1: even if they don't happen into other people. Right. But 1510 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:33,040 Speaker 1: like so that we see this happening successfully with the election, 1511 01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,640 Speaker 1: we see both like all of the meming, everything that 1512 01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:40,320 Speaker 1: happened in twenty in the TRUSTe election worked for Trump UM. 1513 01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,439 Speaker 1: And you know, you know, of course, of course he 1514 01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,479 Speaker 1: didn't win the popular vote, but that doesn't actually matter, 1515 01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,240 Speaker 1: but it worked into in getting him to office. Now 1516 01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:52,880 Speaker 1: it you know, it worked less well for the election um, 1517 01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:58,519 Speaker 1: but still his reassertions that he won still gave us 1518 01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,360 Speaker 1: a lot of real world for salts like the January 1519 01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,960 Speaker 1: six Capital insurrection. So like it's this right, so this 1520 01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,120 Speaker 1: type of idea that if you re if you if 1521 01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:10,000 Speaker 1: you reinforce this thing, if you reinforce this belief, if 1522 01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,559 Speaker 1: you can, if you have if you have this idea 1523 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,200 Speaker 1: and you keep putting it out into the world, it's 1524 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,719 Speaker 1: going to manifest some type of real, real world result. 1525 01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,200 Speaker 1: And that that was January six, That's what that was. 1526 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,320 Speaker 1: And and that's the kind of the world we live 1527 01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,200 Speaker 1: in now. It's like the weaponized unreality world where people 1528 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,400 Speaker 1: because of how media works because are the Internet works, 1529 01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:35,960 Speaker 1: They're able to create this like chaotic like like sphere 1530 01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:40,479 Speaker 1: of energy and ideas that can like spread so much 1531 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,280 Speaker 1: faster than anything used to be. That could everyone can 1532 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,360 Speaker 1: segment their own reality into two degrees that we've never 1533 01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:50,120 Speaker 1: really seen before because of how fast information can travel. Now, um, 1534 01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,720 Speaker 1: it is, it is it is a new it's it 1535 01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,040 Speaker 1: is a relatively new thing. The way that the way 1536 01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,920 Speaker 1: that this this this can operate so like memes, memes 1537 01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,519 Speaker 1: themselves like Pepe and all this kind of stuff undoubtedly 1538 01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,639 Speaker 1: had had an impact on not only just the twenties 1539 01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,240 Speaker 1: sixteen election, but just the entire political climate surrounding the 1540 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,559 Speaker 1: whole Trump presidency. Uh. Now, to the degree to which 1541 01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,560 Speaker 1: we can credit me magic or the god kick, that 1542 01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,519 Speaker 1: part is meaningless because because the effect is the same 1543 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:22,280 Speaker 1: that like the synchronicities were still experienced and and truth 1544 01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:26,640 Speaker 1: is just is just experiential. So it's the beliefs that 1545 01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:30,240 Speaker 1: we kind of hold will shape how we experience things anyway, 1546 01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,120 Speaker 1: and that will experience what the actual truth is. There's 1547 01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,280 Speaker 1: there there is a great Robert Anton Wilson quote that 1548 01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,320 Speaker 1: is like reality is what you can get away with, ye, 1549 01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:43,120 Speaker 1: And that's that's like that that like summarizes how Trump 1550 01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,240 Speaker 1: was able to be so successful is because he was 1551 01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,920 Speaker 1: able to shape reality. Right. I think me, me and 1552 01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,240 Speaker 1: me and Chris were talking about this the other day 1553 01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,200 Speaker 1: about how, Chris, do you want to say the thing 1554 01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:58,800 Speaker 1: about like the Democratic Party and Republican Party and how okay, okay, 1555 01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,840 Speaker 1: So there's there's there's there's thing. And Garrison I think 1556 01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,320 Speaker 1: was too young for this. But there's a very famous 1557 01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,840 Speaker 1: thing that that one of the Bushman pedetrician people said 1558 01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,840 Speaker 1: about how Democrats lived in the reality based community. And 1559 01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:12,640 Speaker 1: this this is like a whole thing in the in 1560 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,440 Speaker 1: like the two thousands. This is just the Bush administration 1561 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,720 Speaker 1: and everyone loses their minds and this is like a 1562 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,519 Speaker 1: whole meme of the Democrats that's like, oh, we're the 1563 01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,800 Speaker 1: reality based community and they're not. But but then this 1564 01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:23,800 Speaker 1: is the interesting part. If you look at the second 1565 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,479 Speaker 1: part of that quote, right, what he's actually saying is 1566 01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,840 Speaker 1: that so the Democrats are the reality based community, right, 1567 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,719 Speaker 1: they they analyze reality. The Republican Party is the party 1568 01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,920 Speaker 1: that creates reality because of the people in control the empire. 1569 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,400 Speaker 1: And this is this is what neo conservative this was right, 1570 01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,200 Speaker 1: and you know The argument here basically is that the 1571 01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,720 Speaker 1: Democrats are you know, they're always going to be a 1572 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,880 Speaker 1: step behind because they're merely analyzing reality, whereas Republicans using 1573 01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,400 Speaker 1: the powers or of the state to you know, change 1574 01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:52,519 Speaker 1: and define it. And this this worked for them, you 1575 01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,200 Speaker 1: know what. I would argue that this is how they 1576 01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,280 Speaker 1: came into power, This is how there's this is what 1577 01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,400 Speaker 1: they're still doing. Yeah. Yeah, why every president since Ronald 1578 01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,280 Speaker 1: Reagan has just been Ronald Reagan with a mask. Yeah. 1579 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,320 Speaker 1: But but I think I think there's something very important here, 1580 01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,679 Speaker 1: specifically about how Bush took off this right, because Bush, 1581 01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,920 Speaker 1: Bush steals the election, right, Bush does like the thing 1582 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,200 Speaker 1: that Trump was trying to do is what George Bush 1583 01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,519 Speaker 1: did in two in two thousands, but with a riot, 1584 01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,479 Speaker 1: just with a very kind of riot. Yeah. But but 1585 01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:20,680 Speaker 1: this is the thing, the thing, this is the thing 1586 01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,400 Speaker 1: that Bush and the neo kons understood that the Trump 1587 01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:27,120 Speaker 1: is kind of understand but never quite solidified because they're 1588 01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,880 Speaker 1: not like they're not sort of insider political actors. Which 1589 01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,920 Speaker 1: is that. Okay, so all of the stuff about saying 1590 01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:37,160 Speaker 1: something and it becoming real, right, there's there there's sort 1591 01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,920 Speaker 1: of a limit to this if if you don't have 1592 01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:44,479 Speaker 1: a gun. Now, if you have a gun, then the 1593 01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,760 Speaker 1: limits of that are are you know, it's it's you 1594 01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,640 Speaker 1: can be basically whatever you want because you can just 1595 01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,160 Speaker 1: you can force everyone else to also accept this as 1596 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:52,720 Speaker 1: reality that you know, this is what the state is. 1597 01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,600 Speaker 1: Right and there there's there's a whole there's a whole thing. 1598 01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,599 Speaker 1: This is a couple of performance theory. It's like, yeah, 1599 01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,200 Speaker 1: so like you you saying the thing makes it so right? Well, 1600 01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:00,479 Speaker 1: this is this is what a is. And this is 1601 01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:04,200 Speaker 1: how Bush won the election because he, unlike Trump, who's 1602 01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,519 Speaker 1: people tried to like take power directly about like Stormy 1603 01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,160 Speaker 1: in the Capitol, Bush was smart and Bush was like, 1604 01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,760 Speaker 1: oh okay, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna de clare that 1605 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:13,800 Speaker 1: I won the election. And but but but instead of 1606 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,200 Speaker 1: like openly doing it right, I'm going to get the 1607 01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,120 Speaker 1: Supreme Court to declare that I'm president. And you know, 1608 01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:21,360 Speaker 1: and this this this requires the Brooks brothers riot stop 1609 01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,240 Speaker 1: the counts and all the stuff. We were like, you know, 1610 01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,880 Speaker 1: it's doesn't yeah, yeah, it's great, but it's like it 1611 01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,679 Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't matter that, you know, he he didn't 1612 01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,120 Speaker 1: win Florida. Like if if if if, if, if, if, if, 1613 01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,160 Speaker 1: the if the votes had actually been counted, he would 1614 01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,000 Speaker 1: not have won Florida. But because he was able to 1615 01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:37,960 Speaker 1: get the courts to say that he was president, he 1616 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,640 Speaker 1: was president. And and that's that is the concept of 1617 01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,080 Speaker 1: magic words yep, yep, and this is this is this, 1618 01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,280 Speaker 1: this is this is all the state is, right, it's 1619 01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,120 Speaker 1: this this this the state is magic with a gun 1620 01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,400 Speaker 1: behind it. Yeah, it is, yeah, the state of magical 1621 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,680 Speaker 1: because it's like, yeah, you're right. It's like magic can 1622 01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,760 Speaker 1: have a hard cap. There's gonna be a certain people 1623 01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,400 Speaker 1: that you know, with with with Trump's reality altering kind 1624 01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,320 Speaker 1: of power, there's a certain that there is a hardcap 1625 01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,000 Speaker 1: on how much that can influence the general population. But 1626 01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:05,960 Speaker 1: if you have a gun behind that, that gives us 1627 01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,720 Speaker 1: so much more enforceable power. And to go back to 1628 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,880 Speaker 1: Egyptian mythology, one of the attitudes they had about the 1629 01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,640 Speaker 1: pharaoh is that reality was whatever the pharaoh declared. Other 1630 01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,439 Speaker 1: a lot of societies of this idea towards their monarchs, 1631 01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,880 Speaker 1: and the duty of his people is to make reality 1632 01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,640 Speaker 1: conform to the Pharaoh's will, and like that's that's what 1633 01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,760 Speaker 1: the GOP does. Like that always I think I think 1634 01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,200 Speaker 1: the quote surrounding like, yeah, the Democrats are the reality 1635 01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,760 Speaker 1: based party because they because they you know, observe it 1636 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,840 Speaker 1: except the reality and like and yeah and and like 1637 01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,599 Speaker 1: and like and like. Libs and Democrats are like yes, 1638 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,880 Speaker 1: they like they take this on private, like, yes, we 1639 01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,880 Speaker 1: are rational, we observe reality. Meanwhile the Republicans like, no, 1640 01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,320 Speaker 1: you just observe it, but we can just we can 1641 01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,439 Speaker 1: create it. I think that is a great example of 1642 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,400 Speaker 1: how those two parties operate politically and how like, yes, 1643 01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,680 Speaker 1: they're both they're both right leading parties. But here's the 1644 01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,280 Speaker 1: different it's for how they actually operate is that one 1645 01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,200 Speaker 1: of them is way more passive in their observing of reality, 1646 01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,559 Speaker 1: and one is is okay with getting their hands dirty 1647 01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,960 Speaker 1: and actually forcing this type of reality altering changes. I 1648 01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:14,800 Speaker 1: will say, I think like one thing to close this 1649 01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,720 Speaker 1: out is that you know we can we when we 1650 01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:18,599 Speaker 1: can tie this all the way back to the second 1651 01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,120 Speaker 1: part of the Duel Power episode, which is that the 1652 01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:24,160 Speaker 1: Niokonokon project doesn't work, and the reason it doesn't work 1653 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,880 Speaker 1: is that you know, they they like they basically they 1654 01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,120 Speaker 1: lose militarily, and that just that implodes the entire project. 1655 01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:32,840 Speaker 1: And so you know, and if if if if you 1656 01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:34,720 Speaker 1: look back at like all of this stuff about how 1657 01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,280 Speaker 1: we can shape reality. We can shape reality, we can 1658 01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,880 Speaker 1: shape reality. That stopped being true the moment that you know, 1659 01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,400 Speaker 1: like they lose control of Bosra or like you know, 1660 01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:49,040 Speaker 1: all like they when the other people, uh, Soder is 1661 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,080 Speaker 1: to be unkillable by all the weapons of Empire. Yeah, yeah, 1662 01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,160 Speaker 1: it's like you know, and and Sawder and Solder does 1663 01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,200 Speaker 1: this by like you know, Sauder sets up a bunch 1664 01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,160 Speaker 1: of baby clinics, right, He's like, here's a bunch of 1665 01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,519 Speaker 1: clinics here, we we will will give help the pregnant mothers. 1666 01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,120 Speaker 1: Like you guys really going to shoot us? And you know, 1667 01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:04,680 Speaker 1: he builds a militia around this and he's and he's 1668 01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,080 Speaker 1: able to like he's one of the smartest people on 1669 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,840 Speaker 1: the planet. He's yeah, and he's not. It's not a 1670 01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,920 Speaker 1: good guy, but like completely shatter the neo cons like 1671 01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,400 Speaker 1: they they're dead, Like they don't like that that project 1672 01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,840 Speaker 1: which was like the culmination of this this incredible like 1673 01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,720 Speaker 1: that described on electro prodect of Trouble Military project and 1674 01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,200 Speaker 1: they got their absolute as kick by watch people doing 1675 01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:30,120 Speaker 1: dual power. Yep, I think, and I I really, I 1676 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,479 Speaker 1: do want to talk more about kind of chaos magic, 1677 01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,760 Speaker 1: and then there's a lot on the ground, and I think, 1678 01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, I think this is a great interning. How 1679 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,000 Speaker 1: the how these concepts overlapped with politics, And I disagree 1680 01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,800 Speaker 1: on the end of this with one aspect, Garrison, because 1681 01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:49,280 Speaker 1: you said their reality can't be pierced, But the ancient 1682 01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,479 Speaker 1: texts speak of a spear that once pierced the side 1683 01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,679 Speaker 1: of Christ itself, and while Hitler held it, his armies 1684 01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,880 Speaker 1: were ascended, but it was stolen. And if we can 1685 01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:04,280 Speaker 1: find the spear, Blonde Sparrison, we can pierce their reality. Hey, 1686 01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,519 Speaker 1: I have a Fedora, I have a whip. We could 1687 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,360 Speaker 1: we all have Fedora's Garrison. Let's do it. Let's go. 1688 01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:14,840 Speaker 1: We are we are off to find the spear that 1689 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,960 Speaker 1: signs us off the sphere of destiny. You can follow 1690 01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:22,559 Speaker 1: our adventures on Happened Here pod and media on Twitter. 1691 01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,080 Speaker 1: Um and yeah, I'm sure we will give you updates 1692 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,720 Speaker 1: for our spirit ventures at the pod. Sophie. We need 1693 01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:32,160 Speaker 1: half a million dollars to find the spear of destiny. Okay, great, 1694 01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:49,720 Speaker 1: see you on the other side. Kill them all. This 1695 01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,519 Speaker 1: has been it could happen here the show where I 1696 01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:57,600 Speaker 1: just kill them all, Garrison and Chris. You want to 1697 01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:02,600 Speaker 1: I want to take over? Oh boys, woke up. I 1698 01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:07,160 Speaker 1: haven't have coffee yet. That is incredibly spooky. It is spooky. 1699 01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,080 Speaker 1: You're right, this is true. I didn't realize that until 1700 01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:15,280 Speaker 1: Joe's now, but retroactively that makes it fine. Extreme spy. Yeah, 1701 01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,639 Speaker 1: what are we doing? Who are we? We're we're doing 1702 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,840 Speaker 1: We're where it can happen here. We're doing this is 1703 01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,639 Speaker 1: this is this is a podcast where we talk about 1704 01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:30,200 Speaker 1: spooky stuff that happens around Halloween, and today we are 1705 01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:34,320 Speaker 1: doing the spookiest thing of all, which will be revealed shortly. 1706 01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:39,800 Speaker 1: Oh boy, I hope it's Will Wheaton? Is not what Wheaton? Well, 1707 01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,640 Speaker 1: unfortunately that's the spookies. I really I really should have 1708 01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,080 Speaker 1: looked for that tie in because there might be one. 1709 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:50,880 Speaker 1: Is a CIA asset we might get there, I don't know. Okay, 1710 01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:52,600 Speaker 1: see this is this is I'm hacking a fraud and 1711 01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:57,120 Speaker 1: I didn't actually look into this action. Yeah, well we 1712 01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:01,920 Speaker 1: missed it. You and most journalists. Yeah, all right, what 1713 01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:03,560 Speaker 1: are we? What are we doing? What do we do it? 1714 01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:09,160 Speaker 1: On June fourteenth, A Rancher named W. W. Mac Brazil 1715 01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,160 Speaker 1: and his son Vernon with driving across their property when 1716 01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:16,120 Speaker 1: they encountered quote a large area of bright wreckage made 1717 01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,839 Speaker 1: up of rubber strips, tinfoil, and rather tough paper and sticks. 1718 01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah me too, Just a regular night in in in Oregon. 1719 01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, well buzzles back in a time where 1720 01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,840 Speaker 1: people are baffled when weird things happened, instead of going oh, 1721 01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,560 Speaker 1: it's Tuesday, so oh man, what a time. Yeah, so 1722 01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,040 Speaker 1: they didn't just go straight to Twitter. No, no, he 1723 01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:40,120 Speaker 1: he you know she doesn't. That was actually, you know, 1724 01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,439 Speaker 1: I kind of like reasonably a reasonably responsible thing to 1725 01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,519 Speaker 1: do in seven, which is that he spends about a 1726 01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,360 Speaker 1: week like picking up all of the scraps that he 1727 01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,120 Speaker 1: can and like putting them in a box, and that 1728 01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:53,800 Speaker 1: he drives it to the sheriff, and the sheriff his 1729 01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:57,479 Speaker 1: name is George. That says a lot about the difference 1730 01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,640 Speaker 1: in urgency back then, where it's like, oh, this is 1731 01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:03,400 Speaker 1: import I'll spend a week getting everything together off to 1732 01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:07,000 Speaker 1: the share. Like before the Internet, you could really afford 1733 01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:11,720 Speaker 1: to sit. It was an era in which like if 1734 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:18,519 Speaker 1: you had a busy life, three things happened. Okay, Yeah, 1735 01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:22,640 Speaker 1: so so George Wilcox, the sheriff, looks at this and 1736 01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,120 Speaker 1: it's like, I have no idea what any of this 1737 01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:27,920 Speaker 1: crap is, Like, what is happening? So he takes it 1738 01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:33,160 Speaker 1: to Roswell Air Force Base for further investigation. Now, Colonel 1739 01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:37,120 Speaker 1: Butch Blanche, the commander of Roswell air Fields five O 1740 01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:40,160 Speaker 1: nine Composite Group you know send sends a team out 1741 01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:42,920 Speaker 1: to analyze the wreckage, which includes an Air Force intelligence 1742 01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:47,360 Speaker 1: officer named Major Major Jesse Marcel. Now Marcel gives a 1743 01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,400 Speaker 1: now infamous series of quotes to the media that results 1744 01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,760 Speaker 1: in the Roswell Daily Record running the sentence quote. The 1745 01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,479 Speaker 1: Intelligence office of the five O ninth Bombardment Group at 1746 01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,680 Speaker 1: Roswell Airfield announced that noon that the field has come 1747 01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:04,360 Speaker 1: into session of a flying saucer. Now this is the birth. Yeah, 1748 01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean this, this isn't the birth of modern unphilology, 1749 01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:08,080 Speaker 1: but this is, you know this, this is one of 1750 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:12,479 Speaker 1: the most important error events. And the pictures do rule 1751 01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:16,080 Speaker 1: all of all of the Rosbelt pictures are super rad 1752 01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,000 Speaker 1: because it's just random ship in the field, and they're like, 1753 01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:23,639 Speaker 1: it's aliens. There's a random ship in the field. Now 1754 01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:25,880 Speaker 1: this this is all happening to be just like like 1755 01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,040 Speaker 1: scattered sort of reports of UFOs that have been cropping 1756 01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:32,599 Speaker 1: up throughout the sort of like the post war era. Yeah, 1757 01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,360 Speaker 1: and the next day, the Air Force releases a statement 1758 01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,439 Speaker 1: saying there's no flying saucer in the wreckage. Is just 1759 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:39,920 Speaker 1: an air balloon? Is this you know it's it's it's 1760 01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:44,439 Speaker 1: just the Yeah. Yeah, so the airport sure air Force 1761 01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,559 Speaker 1: weather balloon. Yeah, yeah, they're lying. Everyone knows they're lying. 1762 01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,960 Speaker 1: But this is where things get bad, because when Mark 1763 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,719 Speaker 1: Brazil really discovered with something even spookier and more sinister 1764 01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:59,759 Speaker 1: an aliens Mark Brazil had discovered was the American military 1765 01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:05,080 Speaker 1: and a strio complex out. That's what's really spooky. It's 1766 01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,920 Speaker 1: it's it's real spooky. It's yeah, we're by by by 1767 01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,400 Speaker 1: the end of this episode, they will have I had 1768 01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:14,840 Speaker 1: to cut two times. They almost killed everyone on Earth. Okay, 1769 01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,680 Speaker 1: well all right, so we're gonna be judging folks for 1770 01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,479 Speaker 1: almost killing everyone on Earth, Like you haven't almost killed 1771 01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,360 Speaker 1: everyone on Earth? Come on, that's true, that's true. Podcasting 1772 01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,960 Speaker 1: saves me from a little mass distinction of the entire 1773 01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:31,719 Speaker 1: human race and will eventually end all life on this planet. 1774 01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:36,679 Speaker 1: I believe in podcastings potential to kill absolutely everyone. Yeah, 1775 01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:41,200 Speaker 1: it's it's great, It's it's a time. It's actually you 1776 01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,439 Speaker 1: know this part part of this is actually going to 1777 01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:47,160 Speaker 1: be about how we get to the point where everyone 1778 01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,120 Speaker 1: is podcasting on the internet. Develt things that that does. 1779 01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:55,920 Speaker 1: This does absolutely plague in the Swell incident. Yeah, because 1780 01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,920 Speaker 1: there's a there's a strong line between ship like coast 1781 01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,640 Speaker 1: to coast f M, the old like conspiracy, you know, 1782 01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:07,519 Speaker 1: the precursors to that alien UFO whatever radio shows and 1783 01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:11,040 Speaker 1: ship on the on the wide band back in the day, 1784 01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:13,960 Speaker 1: and uh in the podcasts where we are right now. Yep, 1785 01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:15,760 Speaker 1: it's it's great, it's a it's a good time. We're 1786 01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,000 Speaker 1: descended from great media. We're going to continue to produce 1787 01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:22,760 Speaker 1: green media where totally not just like an extremely a 1788 01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,880 Speaker 1: much larger version of the radio broadcast you get right 1789 01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,639 Speaker 1: before genocide. That's like, that's not what's happening here. It's 1790 01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,200 Speaker 1: all in fact good and cool. I mean, this is 1791 01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:35,200 Speaker 1: why I tell people to get machetes. It's true that 1792 01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:39,240 Speaker 1: was a bad ye made that made that comment. Look, 1793 01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:40,840 Speaker 1: we just we just we just we just got to 1794 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:47,080 Speaker 1: make sure only ways to blaze one right ahead. Now 1795 01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,640 Speaker 1: the Air Force is lying out of its ass. But 1796 01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,240 Speaker 1: the Air Force isn't lying out of its ass because 1797 01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:53,240 Speaker 1: they have a flying saucer. The Air Force knows precisely 1798 01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,040 Speaker 1: what they've gotten their hands on here, because the other 1799 01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,960 Speaker 1: identified flying object that has trashed at Roswell is actual 1800 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,439 Speaker 1: really something called Project Mogul. Now to understand Project Mogul, 1801 01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:07,200 Speaker 1: we need to go back a little bit in the 1802 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,960 Speaker 1: US drops to nuclear bombs of Japan. And this does 1803 01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:14,720 Speaker 1: a lot of things literally, all of which are bad um. 1804 01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,240 Speaker 1: And what one of which is that it sets off 1805 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,479 Speaker 1: a sort of and it's it sets off, you know, 1806 01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,040 Speaker 1: the thing that we all live in now, which is 1807 01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:24,240 Speaker 1: the nuclear arms race between the U S and the 1808 01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,080 Speaker 1: U S SR, who you know, but pretty quickly after 1809 01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,080 Speaker 1: World War Two are just bitter enemies. And you know, 1810 01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:34,559 Speaker 1: by there's just bores raging across the world between Commuist 1811 01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,719 Speaker 1: anti Comanist forces. This is what's the war in China, 1812 01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,479 Speaker 1: I mean in Greece, which I think people know. People 1813 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:41,840 Speaker 1: know more about the Chinese of war, people know less 1814 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:46,840 Speaker 1: about Greece. We're just like the British. The British are like, oh, 1815 01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:48,640 Speaker 1: the Communis are gonna take power. So they just like 1816 01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:51,320 Speaker 1: give all the guns back to the fascists and they 1817 01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:54,599 Speaker 1: start doing the Holocaust again, and that you know, sets 1818 01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:58,880 Speaker 1: off this own and another civil war there, and you know, 1819 01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:00,960 Speaker 1: as as as Europe comes, you know, divided between the 1820 01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,160 Speaker 1: two great powers, the US becomes increasingly worried about the 1821 01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,680 Speaker 1: uss are crying acquiring their own nuclear weapons. So to 1822 01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:11,240 Speaker 1: detect the potential Soviet nuclear test, the US embarked on 1823 01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:15,479 Speaker 1: Project Mogul. Project Mogil sent six and fifty seven foot balloons. 1824 01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:18,240 Speaker 1: These are like massive, they're twice the size that's actually 1825 01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,679 Speaker 1: of liberty. Yeah, those balloons are bigger than a balloon 1826 01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:24,280 Speaker 1: needs to be. Yeah, they're they're too large. It's too 1827 01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:28,040 Speaker 1: big for balloons. And they so they load these balloons 1828 01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,679 Speaker 1: with like sensor and listening equipment to like detecting nuclear detonation. 1829 01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,800 Speaker 1: They like they like float them into the upper jet stream, 1830 01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,439 Speaker 1: and the jet team like pushed them to Russia. Is 1831 01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,880 Speaker 1: sort of the plan behind it, and this sort of works, 1832 01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,640 Speaker 1: except the Russians don't have nukes yet. So yeah, this, 1833 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,959 Speaker 1: by the way, is also why the song Red Balloons 1834 01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:50,360 Speaker 1: was not just a banger, but also very realistic, because 1835 01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,960 Speaker 1: we absolutely could have had a nuclear exchange over some 1836 01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,920 Speaker 1: fucking balloons. Oh yeah, yeah, actually don't I'm not sure 1837 01:39:55,960 --> 01:40:02,240 Speaker 1: there's any direct balloon related near nuclear exchanges in this episode, 1838 01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:06,720 Speaker 1: but don't worry. It happen. Yeah, well, you know, and 1839 01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,800 Speaker 1: what what what it did actually do was, you know, 1840 01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:12,519 Speaker 1: set off the modern UFO thing because you know what, 1841 01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,320 Speaker 1: one of these balloons like fails and it's it's used 1842 01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:22,880 Speaker 1: the records around and you know there's yeah, this this, 1843 01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, this is this. Then you see a bunch 1844 01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:27,760 Speaker 1: of the problems that are gonna happen with the rest 1845 01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:31,280 Speaker 1: of how the course of UFOs gode because you know, 1846 01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:32,920 Speaker 1: you have initially the government's like, we have a flying 1847 01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,560 Speaker 1: saucer and then they turn around and do this like 1848 01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:39,080 Speaker 1: incredibly half ass cover up that like everyone knows is fake. 1849 01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,400 Speaker 1: And you know, so you know, because Americans are Americans, 1850 01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:44,920 Speaker 1: they don't assume that like the US is, you know, 1851 01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,920 Speaker 1: creating a devastating new surveillance and intelligence program that would 1852 01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,760 Speaker 1: be used to further total nuclear war. Instead they go, 1853 01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:56,960 Speaker 1: it's aliens. Yeah, because we're great at okoins Razor. Yeah, yeah, 1854 01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,479 Speaker 1: it's it's a time. But I think what's really important 1855 01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,679 Speaker 1: here is that what Brazil had actually made first contact 1856 01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:06,120 Speaker 1: with was America's new thermal nuclear monarchy. And this is 1857 01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:08,439 Speaker 1: something that I think more people should talk about, which 1858 01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:14,800 Speaker 1: is that having nukes just as a thing massively centralizes 1859 01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,400 Speaker 1: power into sort of individual people into the executive branch. 1860 01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,080 Speaker 1: Because you know, so if you have nuclear weapons, right, 1861 01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:21,639 Speaker 1: the theory is that you have to have one person 1862 01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:23,840 Speaker 1: who presses the button to shoot them, and you can't 1863 01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,200 Speaker 1: have like, you know, there's not enough time for like 1864 01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:29,240 Speaker 1: a parliament or delivered or body to like set the 1865 01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:35,000 Speaker 1: dukes off. And so this becomes this rationale for enormously 1866 01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,800 Speaker 1: centralizing the powerty executive branch. And this this produces an 1867 01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:43,000 Speaker 1: absolutely terrifying new wage of state secrecy, filled with increasingly 1868 01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:46,320 Speaker 1: powerful and clandestine government agencies and bureaucracies, ranging from the 1869 01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:49,920 Speaker 1: CIA are good friends to the much lesser known Atomic 1870 01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:54,400 Speaker 1: Energy Commission, and these agencies the power of their secrecy 1871 01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,519 Speaker 1: is so strong that, I mean by the es Atomic 1872 01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:01,640 Speaker 1: Energy Commissions like successor agency, it decides that they can 1873 01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,600 Speaker 1: keep secrets from the president on the basis that the 1874 01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:09,440 Speaker 1: president does not need to know, which is absolutely horrifying. 1875 01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:13,560 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, look, it's just you've got a democracy, 1876 01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,960 Speaker 1: and that's going to be a problem because in a democracy, 1877 01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:20,280 Speaker 1: people presumably get to make choices, and if you don't 1878 01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:24,120 Speaker 1: want them to decide not to continue making weird ship 1879 01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:27,320 Speaker 1: to throw into the sky, then you know why, you 1880 01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,120 Speaker 1: probably should just not tell anybody anything. Yeah. Well, and 1881 01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:33,640 Speaker 1: that that particular story is also grim I it's one 1882 01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:36,000 Speaker 1: thing that was debating covering they're they're covering up the 1883 01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:39,160 Speaker 1: fact that they deliberately poisoned enormous like hundreds and hundreds 1884 01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:42,479 Speaker 1: of people with radiation to do human testing on them. Yeah, 1885 01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:45,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't need to know this, like it doesn't need 1886 01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:49,160 Speaker 1: to know about you know. I mean it's like we 1887 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,800 Speaker 1: don't tell Sophie guys. A lot of the things that 1888 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:55,440 Speaker 1: we do with our budget. Um, like when we irradiated 1889 01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:59,360 Speaker 1: all those people for a podcast, we're we're still not 1890 01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,439 Speaker 1: telling Opie that. Yeah, it could happen here. Black budget 1891 01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:06,200 Speaker 1: will remain secret. Yeah, it is a lot of money. 1892 01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:10,680 Speaker 1: Please continue. Now, all of the secrecy around this and 1893 01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:13,439 Speaker 1: the fact that these cover ups are like the most 1894 01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,759 Speaker 1: half asked ship anyone has ever seen, you know, it continue. 1895 01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,679 Speaker 1: It fuels his rampant speculation around UFOs and the conspiracy 1896 01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:21,720 Speaker 1: theorists are also aided by the fact that people keep 1897 01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:25,080 Speaker 1: seeing weird flying objects. Sure do we love we love 1898 01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,400 Speaker 1: to see weird ship in this guy we are very 1899 01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:30,439 Speaker 1: good at it. Yeah, it's we're we're incredible. It's it 1900 01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:34,000 Speaker 1: And this guy is full of weird. It's true. I 1901 01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:40,719 Speaker 1: saw crow the other day anyway. Yeah, in in hundreds 1902 01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,639 Speaker 1: of people start who are on airplanes start seeing these 1903 01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:48,040 Speaker 1: just enormous flaming crosses flying in possibly high and possibly 1904 01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:53,840 Speaker 1: fastened the sky and publicly KKs gained space flight. It's 1905 01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:58,880 Speaker 1: it's worse than that. It's it's the people. The people 1906 01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:02,280 Speaker 1: doing this are worse than the AKA, which is what 1907 01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:05,960 Speaker 1: what a sentence? It's great, it's yeah. So so you know, 1908 01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:08,719 Speaker 1: in public, the U S. Governments like whatever, these aren't 1909 01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:11,720 Speaker 1: a thing, they're fake whatever their mediological dis services. Uh. 1910 01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:14,479 Speaker 1: In private, the passengers who are on these jets that 1911 01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:16,680 Speaker 1: that see these flaming crosses are all detained by the 1912 01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,600 Speaker 1: FBI and sworn to secrecy after providing accounts of what 1913 01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:23,040 Speaker 1: they'd seen. Awesome and yeah, and this this is also 1914 01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,760 Speaker 1: part of the surf uf oil mythology. And this does 1915 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,559 Speaker 1: actually happen, like that, the FBI does actually show up 1916 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,760 Speaker 1: to these people. Well, that's who you send in when 1917 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,519 Speaker 1: you want people to stop wondering if something shady is 1918 01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,000 Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, yeah, it's I hear the FBI is 1919 01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,639 Speaker 1: telling people to shut up about something. I think, well, 1920 01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:40,800 Speaker 1: that's not worth looking into it all. When you have 1921 01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,080 Speaker 1: five men in suits and sunglasses show that you talk 1922 01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,880 Speaker 1: about something, you know, that means everything is fine and normal. 1923 01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:49,720 Speaker 1: You know what I don't think of when I think 1924 01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:54,200 Speaker 1: of the FBI UFO cover ups. It's great. Yeah, this 1925 01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:57,000 Speaker 1: is this is this is America's first contact with yet 1926 01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:00,799 Speaker 1: another new part of his clandestine military military bureaucracy. Area 1927 01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:06,840 Speaker 1: fifty one. Area fifty one is a secret military aeronautics 1928 01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,680 Speaker 1: research and development facility built on a salt flat called 1929 01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:13,320 Speaker 1: Lake Groom inside the massive Nevada Test and Training Range. UM. 1930 01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:15,640 Speaker 1: This place, by the way, this place is massive. This 1931 01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:17,360 Speaker 1: place is like the size of connect Like it's like 1932 01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:20,360 Speaker 1: larger than Connecticut. It's larger than than most of the 1933 01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:23,720 Speaker 1: Eastern State. Yeah, it's enormous. And but you know it's 1934 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,280 Speaker 1: something I think it's very interesting about this is that 1935 01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:28,040 Speaker 1: for all it's mystique. Area fifty one is not the 1936 01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:30,479 Speaker 1: most dangerous facility on the Nevada Tests and Training right now, 1937 01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:33,120 Speaker 1: that's there fifty two, the sub level below where they 1938 01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:36,360 Speaker 1: store the real weird ship. Yeah, okay, so I watched 1939 01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,280 Speaker 1: I watched a few YouTube videos. I think I know 1940 01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:40,519 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Well, definitely, so that we are 1941 01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,280 Speaker 1: actually going to get to area all right. Yeah, Well 1942 01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:48,639 Speaker 1: the thing, the thing that's actually really dangerous is areas twelve, nineteen, 1943 01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:52,920 Speaker 1: and twenty because that's the Nevada areas. Do these motherfucker's 1944 01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:57,519 Speaker 1: names there? All these things? Yeah, all the others because 1945 01:45:57,560 --> 01:45:59,479 Speaker 1: I mean this this this is like a state sized 1946 01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,360 Speaker 1: like testing facility, right, Okay, they get all these fucking areas, 1947 01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,720 Speaker 1: but the branch Davidians have one compound where they don't 1948 01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,920 Speaker 1: even do very many illegal things, and suddenly it's a problem. 1949 01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:13,560 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Let's Swans never had nukes, and that 1950 01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:18,080 Speaker 1: that that that could could you imagine though pretty amazed. 1951 01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,600 Speaker 1: You know what if they'd had nukes about like a D, 1952 01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:27,360 Speaker 1: people would still be alive maybe or everyone would be dead. Yeah, 1953 01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:30,320 Speaker 1: that's the two. A D people would be alive or 1954 01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:35,400 Speaker 1: everyone on Earth would be did so. Area fifty one 1955 01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:37,680 Speaker 1: is the partner of the Nevada Test Site, which which 1956 01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:40,080 Speaker 1: is areas twelve, nineteen and twenty, and that's where the 1957 01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,559 Speaker 1: real dangerous ship happens, which is the US test nuclear 1958 01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:47,080 Speaker 1: weapons there. Okay, but we need to make it clear 1959 01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,519 Speaker 1: at the outset we should not be underestimating Area fifty one. 1960 01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:53,120 Speaker 1: That place has done irreparable harm to the cause of 1961 01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,360 Speaker 1: world peace and very nearly like cause us all to 1962 01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:59,800 Speaker 1: go extinct several times. So do not underestimate the power 1963 01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:05,200 Speaker 1: of of of military spy airplanes yeah, can lead us 1964 01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:08,920 Speaker 1: all destruction. Are honestly, way more, way, more spooky than 1965 01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:13,960 Speaker 1: any little gray creatures at large. Different various planes just 1966 01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:16,800 Speaker 1: with cameras on them have gotten us closer to the 1967 01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:20,040 Speaker 1: extermination of all life on Earth than basically anything else, 1968 01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:26,479 Speaker 1: except for that one computer buck that the Russians had 1969 01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:29,679 Speaker 1: that would have killed us all if not for Petrov 1970 01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,280 Speaker 1: I think his name is, I forget his last name, 1971 01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,120 Speaker 1: that one guy who was like, we're not going to 1972 01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,400 Speaker 1: have a nuclear war right now. Well, there's there's a 1973 01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:37,960 Speaker 1: lot this is. This is weirdly the Soviets come out 1974 01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:42,160 Speaker 1: looking like yeah, so yeah, It's like every every time 1975 01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:44,559 Speaker 1: there's almost a nuclear war, it's like it doesn't happen 1976 01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,120 Speaker 1: because the Soviets are like, no, and the Americans are like, 1977 01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:52,240 Speaker 1: we want this war and the like when it comes 1978 01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:56,120 Speaker 1: to atomic apocalypse stories, if you, if you, if you 1979 01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:58,880 Speaker 1: tally up all the columns, because the Soviets definitely have 1980 01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:01,439 Speaker 1: a few in their side, but it winds up way 1981 01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,120 Speaker 1: more fucked up nuke incidents on the U S side 1982 01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:06,880 Speaker 1: of things than the Soviet side of things. Although there 1983 01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,040 Speaker 1: wasn't that time they built a bomb so big that 1984 01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:11,200 Speaker 1: it might have changed the tilt of the earth if 1985 01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:14,200 Speaker 1: they and at the last moment they were like, let's 1986 01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:16,360 Speaker 1: take half of the desile material out of this. This 1987 01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:22,800 Speaker 1: seems like a bad idea. It's it's great, yeah, so 1988 01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:27,240 Speaker 1: so speak speaking of bad ideas involving in involving nuclear weapons. 1989 01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:31,600 Speaker 1: So oh no, I not thought that you're doing a 1990 01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:37,360 Speaker 1: yeah speaking speaking ideas. You know what else will change 1991 01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:41,919 Speaker 1: the tilt of the earth, the products and services, their quality. 1992 01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:48,720 Speaker 1: It's so intent that it's like the Czar bomba it 1993 01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:54,320 Speaker 1: is just like that explosive potential. Yeah. Area fifty one 1994 01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:57,639 Speaker 1: was founded in nineteen fifty one by the Atomic Energy Commission, 1995 01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:00,679 Speaker 1: a federal agency established as a success to the mother 1996 01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:05,000 Speaker 1: of all black projects, the Manhattan Project. Now black projects 1997 01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:07,759 Speaker 1: are secret off the books military defense projects, the existence 1998 01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:10,200 Speaker 1: of which are kept secret even from Congress, which is 1999 01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,120 Speaker 1: a totally cool and normal thing to have in a 2000 01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:16,759 Speaker 1: democracy when you're representative body does not know what anyone 2001 01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:20,720 Speaker 1: else what the military is doing. Now every fifty one 2002 01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:23,759 Speaker 1: is interesting because it's it's basically like a black project 2003 01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,720 Speaker 1: of a black project. It's so secret that like the 2004 01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:30,400 Speaker 1: Vice President lb J, who is like not a funk 2005 01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:34,680 Speaker 1: off vice president, right, this is lb J, Like lb J, 2006 01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:39,479 Speaker 1: He's he's like type yeah, yeah, and she's also gonna 2007 01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:42,240 Speaker 1: show up the story briefly. But yeah, like even he 2008 01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:44,719 Speaker 1: didn't actually really know what was going on there until 2009 01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:47,960 Speaker 1: like after JFK was assassinated. So this this place is 2010 01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:52,040 Speaker 1: really secret, and as best we can tell, in its 2011 01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:56,040 Speaker 1: first four years, it was essentially the Atomic Energy Commission. 2012 01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:00,920 Speaker 1: I basically wanted to play to do off the books 2013 01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:04,519 Speaker 1: like pilot and aircraft testing, and they were able to 2014 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,439 Speaker 1: do this successfully that like we basically don't know what 2015 01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:10,439 Speaker 1: they did for four years. But yeah, but but but 2016 01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,080 Speaker 1: in NETE five, the facility has taken over by an 2017 01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:18,799 Speaker 1: even spookier organization, the Central Intelligence Agency, our our old friends. 2018 01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,519 Speaker 1: Now that the CIA. You know, this is this nine 2019 01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:26,439 Speaker 1: and the CIA has spent the early years of the 2020 01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:29,479 Speaker 1: Cold War getting just it's absolute ass handed to it 2021 01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:31,720 Speaker 1: in Europe because you know, this is what happens with 2022 01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:34,439 Speaker 1: a bunch of different Harvard grads in like yeah, because 2023 01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:37,439 Speaker 1: the people with acid and that's all they're doing. Yeah yeah. 2024 01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:40,559 Speaker 1: But the problem, so they're running into a real intelligence agency, 2025 01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:42,760 Speaker 1: which is the KGB, who like, like those guys do 2026 01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:46,280 Speaker 1: not look around. They don't just poison people with acid. 2027 01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:49,679 Speaker 1: They they they're they they're they're much much more intense 2028 01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:52,680 Speaker 1: than than the early fifties the CIA. Yeah yeah, and 2029 01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:54,400 Speaker 1: so and so they have this real problem which is 2030 01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:58,760 Speaker 1: that they the CIA basically can't get intelligence out of 2031 01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:02,360 Speaker 1: Eastern Europe, which is bad when your whole, like your 2032 01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:06,519 Speaker 1: entire like state is based off of like fighting Eastern Europe. 2033 01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:09,000 Speaker 1: So this kind of your main target. Yeah. Yeah, So 2034 01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:12,320 Speaker 1: the solution is to fly a plane really high over 2035 01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:17,920 Speaker 1: Russia and uses to take pictures. Yeah, like I think 2036 01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:20,240 Speaker 1: like this sounds like I think kind of banal to 2037 01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:23,160 Speaker 1: us in twenty one century, where like this is this 2038 01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:25,400 Speaker 1: is like this is like this is like pre satellite 2039 01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,439 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and and and you know, like like we 2040 01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:30,360 Speaker 1: were all just sort of used to the fact that 2041 01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:32,479 Speaker 1: like the government is buying on us at all times. 2042 01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:35,519 Speaker 1: We are. But you know, in in in the nineteen 2043 01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:39,639 Speaker 1: this is incredibly radical. Like the the US, the US 2044 01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:43,160 Speaker 1: has only had intelligence agencies for like ten years, and 2045 01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:46,560 Speaker 1: there there is no precedent at all. There's none, no 2046 01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,360 Speaker 1: precedent for flying surveillance over a country you aren't actively 2047 01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:52,160 Speaker 1: at war with, Like the only reason you fly airplane 2048 01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:54,960 Speaker 1: over countries if you're about to bomb them. People should 2049 01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:57,320 Speaker 1: note also that like the first ten years or so 2050 01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,960 Speaker 1: that we had an intelligence industry, every single or that 2051 01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:04,759 Speaker 1: we had an intent like intelligence agencies, every single vote 2052 01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:08,000 Speaker 1: for funding them, every single like vote for giving them 2053 01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:12,080 Speaker 1: new powers was like universally supported by both parties. There 2054 01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:15,120 Speaker 1: was there was zero dissent about whether or not we 2055 01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:16,920 Speaker 1: should have a c I A and they should have 2056 01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,280 Speaker 1: a giant black budget to do all sorts of scary 2057 01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:22,040 Speaker 1: ship that might provoke a nuclear war. People are just like, well, 2058 01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:24,840 Speaker 1: of course it's really bad, and I think this is 2059 01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:27,200 Speaker 1: this is you know, this is what Area fifty one 2060 01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,320 Speaker 1: actually is. The Area fifty one is the place where 2061 01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:33,800 Speaker 1: the development is that the permanent intelligent industrial complex is 2062 01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:39,960 Speaker 1: permanently solidified. And this all starts with the you two. Now, 2063 01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:44,000 Speaker 1: the CIA brings in Lucked Martin and a little known 2064 01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:47,200 Speaker 1: but very powerful and influential defense contractor called E. G 2065 01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,400 Speaker 1: and G. Who I mean, they do a lot of stuff, 2066 01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:53,080 Speaker 1: but that's such a defense contractor. Yeah, it's it's it's 2067 01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:55,360 Speaker 1: it's like it's the ultimate defense contraatractual name and nobody 2068 01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:57,960 Speaker 1: knows who they are because they make like cameras and 2069 01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:01,160 Speaker 1: like film equipment and stuff. But like, you know, so 2070 01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:03,439 Speaker 1: these are the people who like made the cameras that 2071 01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:07,280 Speaker 1: could take pictures of yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and you 2072 01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:09,240 Speaker 1: know and so and so the CIA brings them all 2073 01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:11,479 Speaker 1: to this like remote testing Rage in Nevada to work 2074 01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:14,439 Speaker 1: in a secret project called Dragon Lady. Now in its 2075 01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:16,680 Speaker 1: early stages are fifty one is so secret that like 2076 01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:19,840 Speaker 1: even the Air Force doesn't know about it. And this 2077 01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:23,320 Speaker 1: like really pisces off the Air Forces senior senior generals, 2078 01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:25,280 Speaker 1: in particular a guy who was going to become very 2079 01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:29,519 Speaker 1: important to the story, Air Force General Curtis LeMay, who 2080 01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:35,400 Speaker 1: like that man like that. I I don't say this 2081 01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,599 Speaker 1: very often about historical figures, but like if someone had 2082 01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:42,080 Speaker 1: assassinated General Curtis lemaid. The world like we would like 2083 01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:45,599 Speaker 1: the amount safer that the world would have been described 2084 01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:49,559 Speaker 1: the architects of saturation bombing started in World War Two 2085 01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:54,760 Speaker 1: and continuing. Uh and from up to now we didn't stop. 2086 01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:57,559 Speaker 1: And that is that is not the worst thing he's 2087 01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:02,240 Speaker 1: involved in. Yeah, now, but in Lomay is extremely piste 2088 01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:05,400 Speaker 1: off that the CIA doesn't tell about this, and he's 2089 01:54:05,439 --> 01:54:08,000 Speaker 1: going to remember that that's gonna become important later in 2090 01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:10,599 Speaker 1: this story. But eventually the CIA is forced to bring 2091 01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:12,719 Speaker 1: the Air Force into Area fifty one for a number 2092 01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:15,920 Speaker 1: of reasons, partially because they're flying airplanes, and partially because 2093 01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:17,479 Speaker 1: the YouTube is like kind of a piece of ship, 2094 01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,479 Speaker 1: you know, and part of it Okay, so they're learning 2095 01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:22,760 Speaker 1: how to fly planes really high for the first time, 2096 01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:26,479 Speaker 1: but you know the YouTube, if you fly it too slowly, 2097 01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:28,200 Speaker 1: it's stalls, which is like, okay, that's kind of a 2098 01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:31,840 Speaker 1: normal airplane. The you the YouTube is an amazing aircraft 2099 01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:35,960 Speaker 1: because it just is the most absurd pieces of aviation 2100 01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:39,320 Speaker 1: equipment ever designed, and like watching those things take off 2101 01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,720 Speaker 1: and land is the most funny thing on that's wild. 2102 01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:44,680 Speaker 1: Like and the other problem is like, as a stalling problem, 2103 01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:46,240 Speaker 1: but also has the problem if you fly it too 2104 01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:52,080 Speaker 1: fast the wings will fall off, Okay, which the plane, Chris, 2105 01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:56,520 Speaker 1: It's so it's so massive and so fragile. The wings 2106 01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:59,400 Speaker 1: are so heavy and so large. It's one of the 2107 01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:04,080 Speaker 1: most ridiculous pieces of equipment ever designed. It's it's it's incredible. 2108 01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:06,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, so that the CIA needs helped to get 2109 01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:08,480 Speaker 1: the sting working. And so the result is at Area 2110 01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:11,040 Speaker 1: fifty one at this point is is staffed by about 2111 01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,200 Speaker 1: it's one third CIA, one through an air Force, and 2112 01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:16,600 Speaker 1: one third Lucky Martin. What a what a combination these 2113 01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:20,600 Speaker 1: are the god, can you imagine that cafeteria, the conversations. 2114 01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,200 Speaker 1: It's wild too, because it's like because you have a 2115 01:55:23,240 --> 01:55:25,160 Speaker 1: bunch of just like spooks, right, it's a bunch of 2116 01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:27,080 Speaker 1: just like people. And then there's just like a bunch 2117 01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:30,840 Speaker 1: of test pilots who are like just nuts and have 2118 01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:34,160 Speaker 1: been like a bunch of like people who are like 2119 01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:37,560 Speaker 1: genuine war heroes who like fought in World War two 2120 01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:39,760 Speaker 1: but then went turned around and like it did horrible 2121 01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:47,480 Speaker 1: war crimes and like Koreas like Tom Cruise from Top 2122 01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:52,080 Speaker 1: Gun but with horrible PTSD and Michael Douglas from falling down. 2123 01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:54,400 Speaker 1: But he hasn't picked up a gun yet. We can 2124 01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:56,640 Speaker 1: we can, we can mention this now. So top the 2125 01:55:56,720 --> 01:56:00,960 Speaker 1: reason that top Gun exists is actually also area fifty one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2126 01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:04,960 Speaker 1: because at one point the US, like so the Israeli's 2127 01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:09,560 Speaker 1: managed to convince I it was three pilots to defect, 2128 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:11,720 Speaker 1: and then they gave the airplane to the US, and 2129 01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:13,280 Speaker 1: so the US spent a bunch of time like flying 2130 01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:16,280 Speaker 1: this big twenty three around and figuring out how it worked. 2131 01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:18,640 Speaker 1: And that's how they like trained, they basically trained other 2132 01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:20,640 Speaker 1: pilots because they suddenly do how the bigs worked, and 2133 01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:22,680 Speaker 1: that's that's the origin of the top Gun program. But 2134 01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,760 Speaker 1: then also hilariously that the Biggs got their revenge when 2135 01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:27,640 Speaker 1: when an Air Force general whose name is whose name 2136 01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:28,960 Speaker 1: is I am not making this up. His name is 2137 01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:32,040 Speaker 1: General Bond and he was like he's like, shows up 2138 01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:33,360 Speaker 1: the air he wanted like I want to fly, I 2139 01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:36,680 Speaker 1: want to fly and make eighteen and they're like and 2140 01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:38,120 Speaker 1: then he just flew it into a mountain and died, 2141 01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:47,320 Speaker 1: which well, alright, yeah, we have turned my opinion. Yeah 2142 01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:52,080 Speaker 1: he was, which is like a really that is the 2143 01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:55,120 Speaker 1: fast difficult to control plane. Just that rules. That rules 2144 01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:59,280 Speaker 1: so hard. I see, I was you just completely changed 2145 01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:02,880 Speaker 1: my opinion of the man. Yeah, that is that is 2146 01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:06,880 Speaker 1: the that is incredibly based. Unfortunately, there's a lot of 2147 01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:10,040 Speaker 1: other way more depressing plane crashes that happens here. And 2148 01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:12,360 Speaker 1: part of the reason it's bad is because so you 2149 01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:14,880 Speaker 1: know this, this whole thing is a black trouble. Imagine 2150 01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:19,120 Speaker 1: being depressed about anyone they're dying. Oh, it's it's it's 2151 01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:21,080 Speaker 1: kind of so there there's a I don't really care 2152 01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:23,480 Speaker 1: as much about the people. But like so there's a 2153 01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:26,080 Speaker 1: bunch of like fourteen of the people who are flying 2154 01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:28,640 Speaker 1: you twos like die and they like they crash into 2155 01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:32,160 Speaker 1: a mountain and one of the it's like, but but 2156 01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:35,400 Speaker 1: that sucks about it? Is it like like the U. S. 2157 01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:38,200 Speaker 1: Government lies to their families for like half a century 2158 01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:41,800 Speaker 1: about how they died. It's like, this sucks. But then 2159 01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:44,080 Speaker 1: it gets even worse because again this is you know this, 2160 01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:46,520 Speaker 1: this is the Black Project of like all black projects, 2161 01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:49,600 Speaker 1: and that means that they have a bunch of people 2162 01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:52,600 Speaker 1: from Operation paper Clip because again this is a facility 2163 01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:55,480 Speaker 1: run by the CIA in the nineteen fifties, and so 2164 01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:59,120 Speaker 1: they let these literal not a bunch of literal Nazi. 2165 01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:03,000 Speaker 1: Nazi doctors wrote in endurance test on potential YouTube pilots. Now, 2166 01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:06,640 Speaker 1: these doctors are Nazi concentration camp doctors who had performed 2167 01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:09,640 Speaker 1: to horrific human experiments on people in the camps. So 2168 01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:13,080 Speaker 1: naturally when they do endurance test, they torture people. So 2169 01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:15,200 Speaker 1: they would do things like they would force pilots to 2170 01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,640 Speaker 1: like hold their arms under ice water for like it's 2171 01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:19,840 Speaker 1: me long times. They would draft the chairs just like 2172 01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:22,960 Speaker 1: randomly electrocute different parts of their body, and it was like, yeah, 2173 01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:25,160 Speaker 1: it's it's a nightmare, Like it's yeah, you know, this 2174 01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:27,440 Speaker 1: is what happens when you give the Nazis free reign 2175 01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:30,040 Speaker 1: over completely secret testing facility where no one can even 2176 01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:32,280 Speaker 1: talk about what people did to them. It's it's great, 2177 01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:35,320 Speaker 1: it's great, it's it's this is this is why you 2178 01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:37,840 Speaker 1: don't have black projects, because the Nazis wind up in 2179 01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:41,920 Speaker 1: charge of them and they torture people. Yeah. I think 2180 01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:43,880 Speaker 1: we're pretty we're pretty all on the same page of 2181 01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:50,320 Speaker 1: not having really any projects. Now, the CIA has another problem, 2182 01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:52,440 Speaker 1: which is which is a much weirder and funnier problem, 2183 01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:56,800 Speaker 1: which that people keep seeing their spy planes and so 2184 01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:58,960 Speaker 1: part of this is the original you tuos were silver, 2185 01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:02,760 Speaker 1: which means that they reflected the sun and then claiming 2186 01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:07,960 Speaker 1: cross yeah the first YouTube now because they not that 2187 01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:12,200 Speaker 1: all Matt black. Yeah, that's like a chromed a chrome 2188 01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:18,440 Speaker 1: doubt too, like yeah, and it's but you know like 2189 01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:20,200 Speaker 1: this this this is you know, this causes like a 2190 01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:22,640 Speaker 1: huge number of the UFO settings just people seeing this thing, 2191 01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:24,680 Speaker 1: and eventually they're like, we have to make this black 2192 01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:29,400 Speaker 1: because like having a spy plane that glows in the sun, yes, 2193 01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:34,280 Speaker 1: that idea now and worse yet, so you know, you 2194 01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:36,760 Speaker 1: two can fly at like sixty feet, which is it's 2195 01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:38,600 Speaker 1: way outside the range of anti aircraft guns. It is 2196 01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:42,040 Speaker 1: ridiculously how how high that plane can go. But the 2197 01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:44,840 Speaker 1: c i A, in their eternal hubris assumes that it's 2198 01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:47,720 Speaker 1: also too high for the Soviet radar to work, and 2199 01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:50,800 Speaker 1: so what happens instead is that they fly a YouTube 2200 01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:53,320 Speaker 1: directly over the Kremlin to like take pictures of Racruse 2201 01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:57,480 Speaker 1: Trevis sleeping, and the Soviets just immediately see it and 2202 01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:00,240 Speaker 1: they get really piste off because again, like there's no 2203 02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:02,280 Speaker 1: precedent for flying a spy plane over a country you're 2204 02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:04,920 Speaker 1: not at war. With and they're like, what the funk? 2205 02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Why are you flying pains? The problem is that they 2206 02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:08,680 Speaker 1: can't actually like shoot them down because the plans too 2207 02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:11,960 Speaker 1: high up. So there's some they can just see it. Yeah, yeah, 2208 02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:14,800 Speaker 1: and but but the US is like, okay, this is 2209 02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:18,440 Speaker 1: not provocative enough, right, like we've we've now flown we've 2210 02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:21,200 Speaker 1: now flown planes over the house of like a guy 2211 02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:26,440 Speaker 1: who can fire nuclear weapons. That's not enough. That's incredibly funny, 2212 02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:30,160 Speaker 1: it is very funny. But they're like the So Curtis LeMay, 2213 02:00:30,480 --> 02:00:37,480 Speaker 1: who's anyway, we don't need actions in front of Russian embassies? Continues, 2214 02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:42,560 Speaker 1: So Lemmy is this guy, this guy is a threat 2215 02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:45,000 Speaker 1: to all humanity, and he has his idea, say, okay, 2216 02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:46,560 Speaker 1: he wants to figure out how the he want to 2217 02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:48,960 Speaker 1: figures out like how the the USRS bade our as 2218 02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:52,480 Speaker 1: system works. And so his plan is he's going to 2219 02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:55,080 Speaker 1: get the uss ARE to trigger their radar system. And 2220 02:00:55,240 --> 02:00:57,200 Speaker 1: he's going to do this by flying a thousand B 2221 02:00:57,320 --> 02:01:00,520 Speaker 1: forty seven bombers over Alaska and fly them like Soviet 2222 02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:02,160 Speaker 1: air space and then turn around the moment before they 2223 02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:09,120 Speaker 1: get in. Guys, come on, there's other ways to do trolling, 2224 02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:11,800 Speaker 1: like you don't know, like, you don't need to risk 2225 02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:17,400 Speaker 1: the entire populations. Yeah, you get Garrison. See this is 2226 02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:21,200 Speaker 1: why you're not an A level troll. Trolls know that 2227 02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:24,840 Speaker 1: if you're not risking the entire future of possibly all 2228 02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:27,800 Speaker 1: life in the known universe, then you're just you're not 2229 02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:33,200 Speaker 1: even there's other ways to make some friends. Make make 2230 02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:36,280 Speaker 1: some friends, and troll your friends. It's not that hard. 2231 02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:40,280 Speaker 1: Come on, guys, troll the world by by playing chicken 2232 02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:43,600 Speaker 1: with its continued ability to sport any life above the 2233 02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:46,240 Speaker 1: microbial level. Like that, I think it's incredile about this 2234 02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:48,760 Speaker 1: was the only reason any of this works is that 2235 02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:51,920 Speaker 1: the Soviets, Like, Soviets are not good, but Soviets aren't 2236 02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:54,640 Speaker 1: who the Americans say they are, Like, you're not. Like 2237 02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:57,160 Speaker 1: if if the US had done this against the US, 2238 02:01:57,240 --> 02:02:02,920 Speaker 1: everyone on Earth would have gone like yeah in the 2239 02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:05,480 Speaker 1: end of it, and and may like you can say, 2240 02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,200 Speaker 1: is like wholmi is Someone asked him about this afterwards 2241 02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:10,800 Speaker 1: and his and he says, anti quote, with a little 2242 02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:13,080 Speaker 1: bit more luck, we could have started World War three. 2243 02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Oh man, this guy, this guy is a fucking like yeah, yeah, 2244 02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:21,520 Speaker 1: they are like that. They are all just like like 2245 02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:23,600 Speaker 1: this this is so bad that like the c i 2246 02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:26,280 Speaker 1: A sends a panel of like advisers to the President 2247 02:02:26,360 --> 02:02:29,000 Speaker 1: telling him that, like, you can't do this again because 2248 02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:32,000 Speaker 1: the Soviets will think it's an actual attack. When n 2249 02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:35,240 Speaker 1: is calling you out, then yeah, I think it's time 2250 02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:38,320 Speaker 1: to it's time to wrap up shop. Yeah, we're done. 2251 02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:41,280 Speaker 1: And the thing is like this is not the like 2252 02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:44,839 Speaker 1: the only just absolutely psychotic thing going on in this period, 2253 02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:50,520 Speaker 1: like a round ereaft one. So in seven, the US 2254 02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:54,040 Speaker 1: test the first dirty bomb and they really don't know 2255 02:02:54,160 --> 02:02:56,160 Speaker 1: what this thing is gonna do. And it's like this 2256 02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:58,480 Speaker 1: is extremely danious or detonating a bomb. It spiced plutonium 2257 02:02:58,520 --> 02:03:01,840 Speaker 1: if you were but just eight uh, lest you think 2258 02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:04,480 Speaker 1: that detonating a dirty bomb was not dangerous enough. In 2259 02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:08,600 Speaker 1: they dropped something called the hood bomb. And this bomb 2260 02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:11,440 Speaker 1: like the blast this okay, they drop this, brought this 2261 02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:15,960 Speaker 1: bomb in Nevada, right, the blast of this bomb blows 2262 02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:19,200 Speaker 1: out windows in l A. People people see that this 2263 02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:23,840 Speaker 1: is in Nevada. People see the explosion in Canada. Great, 2264 02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:26,280 Speaker 1: they see in Mexico, like you can see it from 2265 02:03:26,360 --> 02:03:29,640 Speaker 1: eight hundred miles out to see. And the funniest part 2266 02:03:29,720 --> 02:03:32,120 Speaker 1: is that it temporarily renders Area fifty one uninhabitable, and 2267 02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:33,680 Speaker 1: they forgot to tell the people. And if you want 2268 02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:42,840 Speaker 1: to evacuate, that is incredible. Everybody can incredibly. Yeah, and 2269 02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:44,840 Speaker 1: then you know the Airty one people still want to 2270 02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:47,520 Speaker 1: work there, and so they but this is like before 2271 02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:50,040 Speaker 1: they have hassmat suits. So they said, a bunch of 2272 02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:53,040 Speaker 1: people in lab coats with like magnets to go collect 2273 02:03:53,160 --> 02:03:59,000 Speaker 1: radioactive bomb fragments so people can bring Great, that's extremely fun, 2274 02:03:59,160 --> 02:04:02,400 Speaker 1: just killing all of their I have no yeah, I 2275 02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:04,400 Speaker 1: have no problems with this. Yeah, and this is fine. 2276 02:04:04,600 --> 02:04:07,120 Speaker 1: This is completely fine. We have had probably saved a 2277 02:04:07,200 --> 02:04:10,120 Speaker 1: lot of lives, honestly. Yeah. Well, the problem the problem 2278 02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:14,640 Speaker 1: is though they they like Area fifty one was allowed 2279 02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:18,480 Speaker 1: to resume, and that like very nearly killed us all. Yeah, 2280 02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:21,080 Speaker 1: it's been like the more people that die there, if 2281 02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:23,440 Speaker 1: you want to get cancer, that probably odds are that 2282 02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:26,960 Speaker 1: that contributes to it is it is it is slow death. 2283 02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:30,080 Speaker 1: I guess that's what everyone says about radiation poisoning. It 2284 02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:34,840 Speaker 1: happens too slowly. Yeah yeah, now, okay, so every fifty ones, 2285 02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:37,400 Speaker 1: you two's are like continuing to do flights and pissing 2286 02:04:37,400 --> 02:04:40,400 Speaker 1: off the Soviets, but unbeknowns of the Americans, the Soviet 2287 02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:44,960 Speaker 1: anti air capacity was rapidly improving, and on Mayday nineteen sixty, 2288 02:04:45,440 --> 02:04:47,920 Speaker 1: the US pushes it too far and they send a 2289 02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:50,320 Speaker 1: pilot and Gary Powers to fly over the Soviet Union, 2290 02:04:50,360 --> 02:04:52,120 Speaker 1: and the Soviets just like shoot the shoot out of 2291 02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:54,720 Speaker 1: him and this this is actually this really cute moment 2292 02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:57,000 Speaker 1: where like he crashes and he survived and he's found 2293 02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:59,800 Speaker 1: by some raid farmer, and the Soviet farmer just like 2294 02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:02,040 Speaker 1: it's like, oh hey cool, just like gives them a 2295 02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:04,440 Speaker 1: cigarette with Lucky of the Space Dog on it, and 2296 02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:07,360 Speaker 1: they have this very nice moment where they smoke a 2297 02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:10,560 Speaker 1: cigarette together and then Powers gets arrested by the Soviet 2298 02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:13,880 Speaker 1: government and put on show for espionage. Now the interesting 2299 02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:16,200 Speaker 1: part about this is that so the US assumes that 2300 02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:18,560 Speaker 1: Powers is dead because when they designed the You Tube, 2301 02:05:18,640 --> 02:05:20,640 Speaker 1: the CIA was like, oh yeah, if this they didn't 2302 02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:24,320 Speaker 1: tell the pilots, but everyone will die. You are done. 2303 02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:26,760 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, It's like, but but you know, Powers lives 2304 02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:29,120 Speaker 1: through it, and so they they they the US is 2305 02:05:29,160 --> 02:05:31,760 Speaker 1: like claiming on life television that Powers was like, oh, 2306 02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:33,960 Speaker 1: this wasn't a spy plane. He was collecting high altitude 2307 02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:38,520 Speaker 1: weather data for the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics. This 2308 02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:41,560 Speaker 1: lets Krishtchev has like his finest hour here is like 2309 02:05:41,720 --> 02:05:45,280 Speaker 1: incredible theatrical moment. He gives this incredible speech that's like 2310 02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:47,880 Speaker 1: he's he's like he's like asking like comrads, like what 2311 02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,360 Speaker 1: what would happen if Soviet planes flew over Detroit and 2312 02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:52,840 Speaker 1: immediate war? And he goes on this thing about how 2313 02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:55,480 Speaker 1: he's accusing, like he's like, okay, so who who said 2314 02:05:55,480 --> 02:05:56,880 Speaker 1: the spy plane? And he's like, well, it couldn't be 2315 02:05:56,920 --> 02:05:59,080 Speaker 1: the American people. It must have been the American militarist 2316 02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:02,040 Speaker 1: running this biplane uh program without the knowledge of the 2317 02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:05,200 Speaker 1: commander in chief. And so the US like keeps denying it. 2318 02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:07,880 Speaker 1: And then Kristiev a couple of days later gains this 2319 02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:10,800 Speaker 1: another incredible line. I'm gonna quote from this speech because 2320 02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:13,800 Speaker 1: it rules comrades. He said, I must let you win 2321 02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:16,080 Speaker 1: on a secret. When I made a report two days ago, 2322 02:06:16,160 --> 02:06:18,600 Speaker 1: I deliberately refrained from mentioning that we have the remains 2323 02:06:18,680 --> 02:06:21,080 Speaker 1: of the plane and we also have the pilot who 2324 02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:24,480 Speaker 1: was quite alive and kicking, and the US just like 2325 02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:28,640 Speaker 1: it gets owned because safe, Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure 2326 02:06:28,680 --> 02:06:31,720 Speaker 1: this day is I'm sure this date isn't thrilled. Oh yeah, 2327 02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:33,840 Speaker 1: it's it's like, it's an enormous embarrassment for this and this, 2328 02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:35,680 Speaker 1: this is this is a couple of other great lines. So, 2329 02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:38,000 Speaker 1: so Gary Powers gets tried for espionage, and there's there's 2330 02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,480 Speaker 1: this incredible line in this trial where Sergey Rodenko, who's 2331 02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:43,840 Speaker 1: this he's an Air Force general and he's also part 2332 02:06:43,880 --> 02:06:46,960 Speaker 1: of the trial, and he calls area fifty one quote 2333 02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:52,280 Speaker 1: a criminal conspiracy between quote a major American capitalist company, 2334 02:06:52,360 --> 02:06:55,320 Speaker 1: an espionage and recconnaissance center, and the military of the US. 2335 02:06:55,680 --> 02:07:02,960 Speaker 1: And because this is this literally whatever is um you know, 2336 02:07:03,560 --> 02:07:05,560 Speaker 1: but but this is where everything goes to ship because 2337 02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,520 Speaker 1: there was supposed to be a massive like US ussr 2338 02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:12,440 Speaker 1: P summit to like look at the nuclearization uh huh 2339 02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:15,919 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and so and and Christef is like, okay, Eisenhower, 2340 02:07:16,040 --> 02:07:18,600 Speaker 1: you you need to apologize for flying spy planes over 2341 02:07:18,680 --> 02:07:23,160 Speaker 1: our country. And Eisenhower is like no, and this this yeah, 2342 02:07:23,200 --> 02:07:25,400 Speaker 1: the conference is canceled and the world has plunged at 2343 02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:28,880 Speaker 1: the mortal peril that will only barely survive and but 2344 02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:32,400 Speaker 1: barely I mean it. Oh yeah, we got extremely lucky. 2345 02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:35,400 Speaker 1: Um all, all of this basically causes cruise schef to 2346 02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:38,400 Speaker 1: like start a military build up in Cuba. And you 2347 02:07:38,480 --> 02:07:40,000 Speaker 1: know you can see where this is going. But but 2348 02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:43,360 Speaker 1: don't worry less less you think that Area fifty one 2349 02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:45,920 Speaker 1: is only indirectly responsible for this. They are in fact 2350 02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:51,200 Speaker 1: directly responsible for the Cuban missile crisis. You know they 2351 02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:53,920 Speaker 1: they they are fifty one does they did? They do 2352 02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:56,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff that like funk with the Cubans, 2353 02:07:56,440 --> 02:07:57,720 Speaker 1: like they have this thing with it. They send in 2354 02:07:57,800 --> 02:08:00,520 Speaker 1: pilots like right up the right up to to Cuban 2355 02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:03,000 Speaker 1: airspace and like have them basically trade missile locks with 2356 02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:05,560 Speaker 1: Soviet pilots so that they can test the Soviets like 2357 02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:09,120 Speaker 1: electronic weapons capacity. And it's again cool once again, we 2358 02:08:09,240 --> 02:08:11,520 Speaker 1: only didn't die because the Soviets didn't shoot after the 2359 02:08:11,640 --> 02:08:15,320 Speaker 1: U S did some like just absolutely we would have 2360 02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:20,960 Speaker 1: absolutely shot them. Done. Yeah, if if a MiG had 2361 02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:25,960 Speaker 1: buzzed like Washington d C. We would have ended all humanity. Yeah, 2362 02:08:26,200 --> 02:08:28,800 Speaker 1: we share would have. They fucking knew that. God. That 2363 02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:31,960 Speaker 1: has to be so frustrating. Yeah, Like not a lot 2364 02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:33,720 Speaker 1: of sympathy for the U S. S R. In my 2365 02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:36,840 Speaker 1: book with just being like, well, this is unacceptable. But 2366 02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:39,600 Speaker 1: if we do literally just what they're doing to us, 2367 02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:42,960 Speaker 1: and so I guess we have to be chills here, 2368 02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:47,400 Speaker 1: it's like yeah, well, and speaking of doing things, there's 2369 02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:50,800 Speaker 1: also there's also an incredible Bay of Pigs connection, which 2370 02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:54,200 Speaker 1: is that Richard Bassell, who's the guy who did Bay 2371 02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:56,760 Speaker 1: of Pigs, was the guy who ran at one. And 2372 02:08:57,600 --> 02:09:00,040 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why it fails is that, so 2373 02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:02,960 Speaker 1: remember when I talked about how the CIA piste off 2374 02:09:03,160 --> 02:09:06,520 Speaker 1: Curtis LeMay by not telling him about everyty one. So, uh, 2375 02:09:07,080 --> 02:09:09,800 Speaker 1: the May is supposed to send a bunch of BFTY 2376 02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:11,440 Speaker 1: two bombers to support the Bay of Pigs, and he 2377 02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:14,120 Speaker 1: doesn't do it. And this defense is that he fucked 2378 02:09:14,200 --> 02:09:16,200 Speaker 1: like He's defence is that he sucked up the time zones, 2379 02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:20,440 Speaker 1: which I missed. Hey, we've all missed meetings because of that. 2380 02:09:22,200 --> 02:09:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm late all the time because the time zones. It's 2381 02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:29,200 Speaker 1: that that, you know what, Curtis LeMay did nothing wrong. Yeah, 2382 02:09:30,280 --> 02:09:33,560 Speaker 1: it's amazing. And this this causes the cell but it 2383 02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:37,040 Speaker 1: doesn't work because it's a cluster fuck and this you 2384 02:09:37,120 --> 02:09:38,880 Speaker 1: know this, this causes the cell to get kicked out 2385 02:09:38,920 --> 02:09:41,720 Speaker 1: of the security establishment. But it it doesn't stop the 2386 02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:46,000 Speaker 1: U S fucking with Cuba. And so we still haven't 2387 02:09:46,040 --> 02:09:49,200 Speaker 1: stopped fighting. Yeah, we're like never going to It's it's incredible. 2388 02:09:49,320 --> 02:09:51,000 Speaker 1: And and but because this is the time that came 2389 02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:53,960 Speaker 1: closest to killing us all, which is that well, Chris, 2390 02:09:54,200 --> 02:09:57,000 Speaker 1: you know what will also eventually kill us all products 2391 02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:02,000 Speaker 1: and services. That's not even a joke, that's just true. Yeah, 2392 02:10:02,160 --> 02:10:05,520 Speaker 1: all of these things that is being sold for fake money. 2393 02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:09,800 Speaker 1: So yep, by products. And this is when Garrison goes 2394 02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:15,640 Speaker 1: on a rant about Fiat currency. We're back and we're 2395 02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:18,680 Speaker 1: talking about the Honda Fiat, which is certainly a car. 2396 02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:21,360 Speaker 1: I lost it all. I lost I lost it all 2397 02:10:21,400 --> 02:10:24,440 Speaker 1: to Fiat. Please everyone everyone sent me, send me what 2398 02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:26,960 Speaker 1: you can. I'll reinvest and give you back your money 2399 02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:30,400 Speaker 1: in a few days. You're gonna buy one of those 2400 02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:33,640 Speaker 1: fucking one of those eight bit illustration and f T 2401 02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:36,720 Speaker 1: s that costs two million dollars, aren't you, Garrison? Oh 2402 02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:41,160 Speaker 1: you bet see. I heard. I heard now that they're 2403 02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:44,040 Speaker 1: making physical copies. This is a brand new phenomenon, making 2404 02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:46,200 Speaker 1: physical versions of an n f T so you can 2405 02:10:46,200 --> 02:10:52,160 Speaker 1: actually like have something. Yeah, there is there's nothing else 2406 02:10:52,240 --> 02:10:55,240 Speaker 1: like this. It's like art, but you actually can have it. 2407 02:10:55,640 --> 02:11:01,240 Speaker 1: It's the first time it's Robert. You guys, you can't. 2408 02:11:01,800 --> 02:11:04,360 Speaker 1: You can't tell the public how are how how? How 2409 02:11:04,520 --> 02:11:06,520 Speaker 1: how how we funnel all of our money around for 2410 02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:09,000 Speaker 1: our black projects. You're not allowed to explain our money 2411 02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:13,160 Speaker 1: laundering schemes on air. You know. One one surprising thing 2412 02:11:13,200 --> 02:11:15,560 Speaker 1: about all of this, like AIRF one stuff is honestly 2413 02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:22,000 Speaker 1: the degree to which the government does not deflect stuff 2414 02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:25,680 Speaker 1: by using alien ship more often, because if they were smart, 2415 02:11:26,080 --> 02:11:29,160 Speaker 1: they could just use alien ship more often to deflect 2416 02:11:30,080 --> 02:11:33,920 Speaker 1: any suspicion about what's actually happening. So they I don't know, 2417 02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:36,080 Speaker 1: they go back and so so part of us going 2418 02:11:36,160 --> 02:11:37,800 Speaker 1: so they go back and forth on this, and part 2419 02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:41,160 Speaker 1: of what's going on is that the CIA, when when 2420 02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:44,000 Speaker 1: when people start first reporting UFOs like, they have to 2421 02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:45,760 Speaker 1: like concerns, one of which is that it's just going 2422 02:11:45,800 --> 02:11:47,480 Speaker 1: to cause panic in the US public and they don't 2423 02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:49,360 Speaker 1: want that they're doing this sort of like elite panic 2424 02:11:49,480 --> 02:11:51,800 Speaker 1: thing and they're afraid that's going to go insane or whatever. 2425 02:11:52,640 --> 02:11:55,560 Speaker 1: But the second thing that they're worried about is that 2426 02:11:55,640 --> 02:11:59,680 Speaker 1: they're really concerned that the Soviet Union is going to 2427 02:12:00,680 --> 02:12:02,560 Speaker 1: block out the U s IS Early Warning System by 2428 02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:05,280 Speaker 1: sending a bunch of a QFO reports, which would be 2429 02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:07,520 Speaker 1: very funn Yeah, it would be very funny, but you know, 2430 02:12:07,720 --> 02:12:10,520 Speaker 1: but so so they their initial line on UFOs is 2431 02:12:10,600 --> 02:12:12,040 Speaker 1: like they're they're trying. They spent a lot of time 2432 02:12:12,040 --> 02:12:14,240 Speaker 1: trying to get everyone to like not believe in them, 2433 02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:16,960 Speaker 1: because they're like, this is this is treading ast area 2434 02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:19,200 Speaker 1: and it's like damaging or early warning capacity because people 2435 02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:21,760 Speaker 1: keep reporting and also because people just keep seeing their 2436 02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:26,000 Speaker 1: spy planes and so they're just like, guys, there's no UFOs. Yeah, 2437 02:12:26,160 --> 02:12:28,440 Speaker 1: we'll we'll get to in a little bit of some 2438 02:12:28,600 --> 02:12:31,400 Speaker 1: more about that, because there's a lot of very weird 2439 02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:34,320 Speaker 1: stuff going on there. But first we have to almost 2440 02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:36,880 Speaker 1: end the world, all right, Let's let's just do that 2441 02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:42,600 Speaker 1: at first. And then in six two, the CIA flies 2442 02:12:42,680 --> 02:12:46,600 Speaker 1: it flies a YouTube over over Cuba and they get 2443 02:12:46,600 --> 02:12:50,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of pictures of nuclear weapons and this this 2444 02:12:51,080 --> 02:12:53,000 Speaker 1: is basically the thing that starts to Cuban missile crisis. 2445 02:12:53,080 --> 02:12:55,280 Speaker 1: Although I also I also we need to talk about 2446 02:12:55,320 --> 02:12:57,400 Speaker 1: LeMay one more time, because before they get these pictures, 2447 02:12:57,440 --> 02:13:01,080 Speaker 1: LeMay is convinced there's there's no nukes there, and LeMay 2448 02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:03,480 Speaker 1: wants to do a preective strike on Cuba to stop 2449 02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:06,240 Speaker 1: the Soviets and bring missiles in, which again literally would 2450 02:13:06,280 --> 02:13:10,120 Speaker 1: have killed us. All yeah, yeah, but but let me 2451 02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:12,280 Speaker 1: let's make us voted down. So the CIA, you know, 2452 02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:14,680 Speaker 1: sends the youtubes in and this this is the thing 2453 02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:18,080 Speaker 1: that starts to the starts to Cuban missile crisis. And 2454 02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:20,200 Speaker 1: you have the Soviets and Americans like staring each other 2455 02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:24,000 Speaker 1: down at sea. And but again because these people are 2456 02:13:24,120 --> 02:13:25,960 Speaker 1: just like like because there are if you want people 2457 02:13:25,960 --> 02:13:28,680 Speaker 1: to see how people are just nuts, they keep sending 2458 02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:32,160 Speaker 1: UFOs and if they keep sending you twos over Cuba, 2459 02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:35,440 Speaker 1: and they they're sending youtubos over Cuba, and and the 2460 02:13:35,680 --> 02:13:38,720 Speaker 1: Americans like line on the you Tuesday sendiver is if 2461 02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:41,760 Speaker 1: they shoot down a YouTube, We're going to invade. And 2462 02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:44,360 Speaker 1: so the Soviets actually do shoot shoot down a YouTube. 2463 02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:47,920 Speaker 1: But for like the only time ever in history, uh, 2464 02:13:48,120 --> 02:13:50,240 Speaker 1: the US is like, wait, maybe we shouldn't end all 2465 02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:54,760 Speaker 1: like literally end all humanity, and like we we get this, 2466 02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:59,640 Speaker 1: be goet this moment, we're just like, you know, you 2467 02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:01,560 Speaker 1: get to actually, so you have all of the like 2468 02:14:01,640 --> 02:14:03,680 Speaker 1: just horrific leadership stuff that has got you here, But 2469 02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:06,600 Speaker 1: you get a moment where like the soul of humanity 2470 02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:08,920 Speaker 1: is tested in like a very small number of people, 2471 02:14:09,120 --> 02:14:11,480 Speaker 1: and it's like, if any one of these people on 2472 02:14:11,600 --> 02:14:14,160 Speaker 1: either side flinches or like decides that they want to 2473 02:14:14,240 --> 02:14:15,960 Speaker 1: end all life on earth, everyone is going to die. 2474 02:14:16,920 --> 02:14:18,720 Speaker 1: And for one of like this is you know, this 2475 02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:20,600 Speaker 1: is like this is like one of the only times 2476 02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:23,560 Speaker 1: ever that it has actually mattered that we're not all 2477 02:14:23,680 --> 02:14:25,680 Speaker 1: just like terrible pieces of ship and we didn't do it, 2478 02:14:25,720 --> 02:14:30,280 Speaker 1: and we didn't end all humanity, and eventually the whole 2479 02:14:30,280 --> 02:14:34,200 Speaker 1: the whole thing is wound down. Alternatively, the people in 2480 02:14:34,360 --> 02:14:37,040 Speaker 1: charge realized that if they were doing this, they could 2481 02:14:37,080 --> 02:14:39,640 Speaker 1: no longer do whatever fun stuff they didn't their spare time. 2482 02:14:39,680 --> 02:14:41,400 Speaker 1: And it's only for selfish reason. Oh yeah, I mean 2483 02:14:41,480 --> 02:14:43,680 Speaker 1: because yeah, the lead. Let me say, it's like the 2484 02:14:45,240 --> 02:14:48,280 Speaker 1: leaders get no credit here at all. The people who 2485 02:14:48,360 --> 02:14:50,960 Speaker 1: do get credit are just like the random assholes on 2486 02:14:51,000 --> 02:14:53,560 Speaker 1: a ship who like got sent over to the other 2487 02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:56,000 Speaker 1: side of the world and had to just like sit 2488 02:14:56,120 --> 02:14:58,360 Speaker 1: there knowing that they could be destroyed in any moments, 2489 02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:03,200 Speaker 1: and then didn't panic and held and kept kept everyone 2490 02:15:03,240 --> 02:15:07,080 Speaker 1: on Earth from dying by just not just like holding 2491 02:15:07,120 --> 02:15:08,840 Speaker 1: it together in a situation that would have just like 2492 02:15:09,080 --> 02:15:13,520 Speaker 1: destroyed most people. So so good, good on, good on 2493 02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:15,840 Speaker 1: like the Cruise of the Ships for not killing us 2494 02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:23,000 Speaker 1: all yeah, yeah, depending on how I feel now, part 2495 02:15:23,080 --> 02:15:26,720 Speaker 1: part part of what's happening here is is the you 2496 02:15:26,840 --> 02:15:30,440 Speaker 1: tu is getting shot down. It makes the area tript 2497 02:15:30,440 --> 02:15:33,320 Speaker 1: to one. People go, we need to build a faster plane. Sure, 2498 02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:35,480 Speaker 1: and so there's their solution to this is the A 2499 02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:41,200 Speaker 1: twelve ox cart. And the oxcar is interesting because this 2500 02:15:41,400 --> 02:15:43,760 Speaker 1: is another thing that everyone thinks is the UFO but 2501 02:15:43,800 --> 02:15:46,240 Speaker 1: actually isn't. And I mean there's a very famous UFO 2502 02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:49,440 Speaker 1: picture of like one of NASA's like X fifteen rocket jets, 2503 02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:51,680 Speaker 1: and in the very like in the very corner of 2504 02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:53,720 Speaker 1: this rocket picture of the rocket jet, there's there's an 2505 02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:57,920 Speaker 1: A twelve and everyone is like, oh, this is UFO. 2506 02:15:58,040 --> 02:15:59,520 Speaker 1: Is the UFON is like, no, it's not, it's this. 2507 02:15:59,680 --> 02:16:03,520 Speaker 1: But you know, the CIA keeps doing these like half 2508 02:16:03,560 --> 02:16:05,160 Speaker 1: ast cover ups. But like ye, like you can just 2509 02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:07,000 Speaker 1: see these out of passenger planes, Like if you're in 2510 02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:08,280 Speaker 1: a plane, you just see it. It's like, oh, this 2511 02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:12,120 Speaker 1: thing looks like a cigar sleep past, and they they 2512 02:16:12,200 --> 02:16:15,240 Speaker 1: do looking they do look incredibly weird. Yeah, it just 2513 02:16:15,320 --> 02:16:19,040 Speaker 1: doesn't work. And eventually in the mid sixties, Walter Cronkite 2514 02:16:19,160 --> 02:16:22,120 Speaker 1: like goes on TV and tells the American public at 2515 02:16:22,120 --> 02:16:25,480 Speaker 1: the CIA have been doing a UFO cover up, which 2516 02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:28,760 Speaker 1: is true, but everyone assumes this is about aliens. But 2517 02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:31,080 Speaker 1: it's not about aliens. Nothing with aliens. It has everything 2518 02:16:31,080 --> 02:16:32,960 Speaker 1: to do with the fact that people keep seeing this biplanes. 2519 02:16:33,640 --> 02:16:35,800 Speaker 1: And so the Air Force gets to put in charge 2520 02:16:35,800 --> 02:16:38,280 Speaker 1: of an investigation of UFOs. But the problem is that 2521 02:16:38,680 --> 02:16:41,320 Speaker 1: only a few top Air Force generals know about the 2522 02:16:41,440 --> 02:16:43,440 Speaker 1: A twelve. Yeah, they only a few people know what 2523 02:16:43,440 --> 02:16:45,800 Speaker 1: the existence of this aircraft. Yeah yeah, And so the 2524 02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:48,480 Speaker 1: low level investigators are like, oh, the Air Force is 2525 02:16:48,480 --> 02:16:50,280 Speaker 1: doing a uh cover up, which they are, but they 2526 02:16:50,320 --> 02:16:52,280 Speaker 1: assume that it's about aliens. And so a bunch of 2527 02:16:52,320 --> 02:16:54,520 Speaker 1: these people like turned into aliens, like U focus eiracy 2528 02:16:54,520 --> 02:16:57,840 Speaker 1: theorists and yeah, because this is you know, and we're 2529 02:16:57,879 --> 02:17:01,080 Speaker 1: getting to see this. The the US basically through it 2530 02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:03,080 Speaker 1: sort of like the secrecy run these programs. It just 2531 02:17:03,160 --> 02:17:07,720 Speaker 1: it keeps creating UFO conspiracies and yeah, there there's some okay, 2532 02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:10,080 Speaker 1: there's some question as to how deliberately they're doing this. 2533 02:17:10,440 --> 02:17:13,800 Speaker 1: Um So, the head of the National Investigation Committee on 2534 02:17:14,040 --> 02:17:16,240 Speaker 1: Aerial Phenomena, which is like the uf U s s 2535 02:17:16,320 --> 02:17:19,520 Speaker 1: UFO Study Group uh IN nine is taken over by 2536 02:17:19,600 --> 02:17:23,320 Speaker 1: Joseph Brian the Third, who Joseph Brian the Third was 2537 02:17:23,440 --> 02:17:26,800 Speaker 1: the CIA's first chief of Political and Psychological Warfare. He 2538 02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:29,039 Speaker 1: seems like a solid dude to hang out with. Yeah, 2539 02:17:29,440 --> 02:17:36,320 Speaker 1: so I have no idea what that means, does you know? 2540 02:17:36,400 --> 02:17:38,120 Speaker 1: And and there's there's some reports that there have been 2541 02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:40,240 Speaker 1: a couple of like books and documentaries and a lot 2542 02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:44,240 Speaker 1: and in the last like ten years to have repared that. Yes, 2543 02:17:44,800 --> 02:17:47,240 Speaker 1: but it basically reported that that people in the CIA 2544 02:17:47,360 --> 02:17:50,520 Speaker 1: deliberately fed like fake UFO information to people to cause 2545 02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:52,920 Speaker 1: people to like go even deeper into their conspiracy, which 2546 02:17:52,920 --> 02:17:56,920 Speaker 1: is absolutely believe. Yeah, I would, I will say this, Okay, so, 2547 02:17:57,040 --> 02:17:59,320 Speaker 1: like this is the kind of thing the CIA would do. 2548 02:18:00,520 --> 02:18:03,240 Speaker 1: But the people who are giving the evidence are sketchy, 2549 02:18:04,120 --> 02:18:06,680 Speaker 1: and I mean, of course, yeah, like that that, Yeah, 2550 02:18:06,760 --> 02:18:08,760 Speaker 1: that is kind of how that mean. They probably feed 2551 02:18:08,840 --> 02:18:09,960 Speaker 1: it to a lot of people, and the people who 2552 02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:12,320 Speaker 1: talk about it, well, I mean so that the people 2553 02:18:12,400 --> 02:18:15,119 Speaker 1: are testifying a better the people who allegedly did it, Yeah, 2554 02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:17,320 Speaker 1: which is interesting. But but the thing that, well, the 2555 02:18:17,360 --> 02:18:19,160 Speaker 1: probably is weird about those people also just sort of 2556 02:18:19,680 --> 02:18:22,520 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I spread this conspiracy, but like they 2557 02:18:22,600 --> 02:18:24,520 Speaker 1: kind they also want to get into the UFO scene. 2558 02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:28,080 Speaker 1: And so the question it's it's weird and it is 2559 02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:30,640 Speaker 1: a lot of weird conflicting interests going on. And this 2560 02:18:30,720 --> 02:18:32,120 Speaker 1: is this is one of the problems with the CIA, 2561 02:18:32,200 --> 02:18:34,840 Speaker 1: which is that like, okay, so there's there's there's a 2562 02:18:34,840 --> 02:18:36,320 Speaker 1: couple of there's like some important things you need to 2563 02:18:36,400 --> 02:18:39,279 Speaker 1: understand about the CIA. They're bad. You don't need conspiracy 2564 02:18:39,320 --> 02:18:41,200 Speaker 1: theories for that. They're just they're bad. They do a 2565 02:18:41,240 --> 02:18:44,960 Speaker 1: lot of bad things. Um, the CIA having done something 2566 02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:47,400 Speaker 1: is not in and of itself proof that they need 2567 02:18:47,440 --> 02:18:50,000 Speaker 1: another thing. So for example, like you can say that 2568 02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:51,680 Speaker 1: like you know, you sayn't think like the CIA is 2569 02:18:51,720 --> 02:18:53,760 Speaker 1: a mood base, right, and someone asked you for evidence 2570 02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:55,160 Speaker 1: that you can go, oh, well, they did operation paper 2571 02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:57,680 Speaker 1: Clip and they're involved in development of rocket technology. But 2572 02:18:58,480 --> 02:19:01,119 Speaker 1: just because the CIA did offer paperclip and had rockets 2573 02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:03,040 Speaker 1: does not mean they have a moon base, right, Like 2574 02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:05,119 Speaker 1: this is this is this is something. This something happens 2575 02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:08,440 Speaker 1: all the time when people talk about the CIA falling 2576 02:19:08,520 --> 02:19:13,640 Speaker 1: into yeah, yeah, you cannot you cannot use something that 2577 02:19:13,720 --> 02:19:16,200 Speaker 1: the CIA has done as direct evidence they did something 2578 02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:18,400 Speaker 1: else unless there's a direct tie between, unless unless you 2579 02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:21,879 Speaker 1: have evidence that the other thing happened. There's other people 2580 02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:26,039 Speaker 1: who suck. Yeah yeah, and if everything is, they're not omnipotence. 2581 02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:27,400 Speaker 1: And then this is what the example I always bring 2582 02:19:27,440 --> 02:19:30,560 Speaker 1: up because it's really funny. So the CIA just completely 2583 02:19:30,680 --> 02:19:34,560 Speaker 1: missed two two different Indian nuclear weapons tests, like across 2584 02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:37,080 Speaker 1: two decades. Like not only did they not realize that 2585 02:19:37,160 --> 02:19:39,119 Speaker 1: that they were testing me happening soon, Like they didn't 2586 02:19:39,160 --> 02:19:41,720 Speaker 1: even know that India was doing tests at all. And 2587 02:19:41,800 --> 02:19:44,240 Speaker 1: then they Yeah, so these news would go off and 2588 02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:45,959 Speaker 1: they would learn that the India was doing tests when 2589 02:19:46,160 --> 02:19:48,320 Speaker 1: Indiana govern renounced on TV. So like they're they're not 2590 02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:51,600 Speaker 1: actually omnipotent. I think, I think, what is this interesting? People? 2591 02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you're in a I'm not sure 2592 02:19:53,360 --> 02:19:55,600 Speaker 1: you bring this up shortly, but like this sort of 2593 02:19:55,640 --> 02:19:58,160 Speaker 1: thing is definitely is still happening in terms of like yeah, 2594 02:19:58,480 --> 02:20:01,160 Speaker 1: like air force pilots seeing weird stuff in this guy 2595 02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:02,880 Speaker 1: and then going to talk about it be like you know, 2596 02:20:02,959 --> 02:20:05,800 Speaker 1: it's just like this is some other aircraft. Usually it's 2597 02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:08,480 Speaker 1: usually usually we're able to actually like prove what these 2598 02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:12,400 Speaker 1: things are. Um, but like you know, military or people 2599 02:20:12,400 --> 02:20:14,400 Speaker 1: see stuff, they talk talk about the news, and at 2600 02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:16,160 Speaker 1: the time it was always weird. It's always when like 2601 02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:19,880 Speaker 1: some other like like civil arrest is happening. When like 2602 02:20:20,280 --> 02:20:23,680 Speaker 1: we get some weird piece of information about UFOs, you're like, oh, really, 2603 02:20:23,959 --> 02:20:26,200 Speaker 1: what a coincidence. And it's it's it's an interesting thing 2604 02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:28,360 Speaker 1: to be though, because like there's this kind of like 2605 02:20:28,879 --> 02:20:31,600 Speaker 1: weird interplace because like a lot of like like like 2606 02:20:31,800 --> 02:20:36,360 Speaker 1: senators and presidents like actually believe that there's UFOs and 2607 02:20:36,480 --> 02:20:39,200 Speaker 1: and this is like I mean the weird things, but 2608 02:20:39,320 --> 02:20:41,720 Speaker 1: like the different do you mean like UFOs are doing 2609 02:20:41,840 --> 02:20:44,040 Speaker 1: like aliens well, like like aliens like this like that 2610 02:20:44,280 --> 02:20:45,360 Speaker 1: there are there are a lot of people in the 2611 02:20:45,400 --> 02:20:47,280 Speaker 1: government who do believe in aliens and and and it's 2612 02:20:47,320 --> 02:20:49,000 Speaker 1: it's this weird tension because and a lot of like 2613 02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:51,920 Speaker 1: everything is like like I don't know, like Harry Reid, 2614 02:20:51,959 --> 02:20:55,000 Speaker 1: for example, was a big alien dude, right, but Harry Reid, 2615 02:20:55,360 --> 02:20:57,160 Speaker 1: like I mean, I know he's very powerful in Nevadas, 2616 02:20:57,240 --> 02:20:59,560 Speaker 1: like maybe he knew, but like Harry Reid is not 2617 02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:02,959 Speaker 1: some one who knows what's happening in these black projects 2618 02:21:03,480 --> 02:21:06,280 Speaker 1: because they don't tell. They don't tell Congress, right, I 2619 02:21:06,360 --> 02:21:08,360 Speaker 1: mean she she might know because of how powerfully is, 2620 02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:10,920 Speaker 1: but like again, it's up in the even even the 2621 02:21:10,959 --> 02:21:13,320 Speaker 1: people who are supposed to be in charge, I don't 2622 02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:15,160 Speaker 1: know what's actually happening. And that means they fall for 2623 02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:17,560 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories because yeah, they fought for conspiracy theories. And 2624 02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:19,200 Speaker 1: at this point, it's more of a it's more of 2625 02:21:19,240 --> 02:21:21,480 Speaker 1: a fandom than anything else. It's really easy to get 2626 02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:25,160 Speaker 1: sucked into a fandom, like so I can't I mean, 2627 02:21:25,240 --> 02:21:29,080 Speaker 1: I don't trust any Congressman on any level specifically around 2628 02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:32,160 Speaker 1: this issue, because this is solely a fandom issue. It's 2629 02:21:32,200 --> 02:21:35,640 Speaker 1: like it's like it's like taking their opinion on like religion. 2630 02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:38,440 Speaker 1: It's like I care zero amount because it's only a 2631 02:21:38,520 --> 02:21:40,640 Speaker 1: fandom like that. But I think I think that the 2632 02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:42,560 Speaker 1: thing that is very dangerous about this Stough is that 2633 02:21:42,640 --> 02:21:46,400 Speaker 1: again Area fifty one is like the existence of Area 2634 02:21:46,480 --> 02:21:48,880 Speaker 1: fifty one is like an atrocity to anyone who thinks 2635 02:21:48,879 --> 02:21:51,040 Speaker 1: you live in a democracy. They have almost killed us, 2636 02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:54,440 Speaker 1: like multiple multiple times, and everyone is like, oh, it's 2637 02:21:54,440 --> 02:21:58,240 Speaker 1: the aliens. It was like, nope, they they literally almost 2638 02:21:58,360 --> 02:22:01,760 Speaker 1: ended life on Earth like four times times. And and yeah, 2639 02:22:01,800 --> 02:22:03,680 Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna get into they they you know, 2640 02:22:03,800 --> 02:22:05,560 Speaker 1: we'll get into the other horrible stuff they do in 2641 02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:06,880 Speaker 1: a second. But I do want to talk about the 2642 02:22:06,920 --> 02:22:11,040 Speaker 1: one cool thing they did, because okay, they did one 2643 02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:13,720 Speaker 1: thing that was incredibly awesome. That was the greatest thing 2644 02:22:13,720 --> 02:22:15,400 Speaker 1: the American Empire has ever produced, which is they made 2645 02:22:15,400 --> 02:22:18,760 Speaker 1: the SR seventy one, and the SR seventy one is 2646 02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:22,000 Speaker 1: fucking sick. This is this is the coolest airplane anyone. 2647 02:22:22,080 --> 02:22:23,840 Speaker 1: It's like, just like dot google a picture of it. 2648 02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:26,959 Speaker 1: It looks so cool. It could hit it could hit 2649 02:22:27,080 --> 02:22:30,199 Speaker 1: Mock three point four. Like, it's just fast. It's faster 2650 02:22:30,320 --> 02:22:32,840 Speaker 1: than bullets is. It doesn't have any weapons on it, 2651 02:22:32,920 --> 02:22:34,400 Speaker 1: and it it's it's defense strategy, So I want you 2652 02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:39,039 Speaker 1: missile is to outrun the missile. It's what's the X Man. 2653 02:22:44,400 --> 02:22:47,360 Speaker 1: It does look just like the X Wing, and it 2654 02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:50,160 Speaker 1: does look just like the X Men's Yeah, well yeah, 2655 02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:55,280 Speaker 1: it's specifically they modified s. Yeah, yeah, it's it's shiitest 2656 02:22:55,320 --> 02:22:58,040 Speaker 1: thing ever and it's like from that was like that 2657 02:22:58,240 --> 02:23:01,400 Speaker 1: was the pinnacle of the American empires when they made this, 2658 02:23:01,640 --> 02:23:05,000 Speaker 1: this one just absolutely incredible machine, and then they used 2659 02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:08,360 Speaker 1: to do war crimes in Vietnam and then they were like, oh, 2660 02:23:08,520 --> 02:23:11,440 Speaker 1: it's too expensive. Dick Cheney, who was a demon in 2661 02:23:11,560 --> 02:23:13,800 Speaker 1: human form, who will one day returned to the hell 2662 02:23:13,879 --> 02:23:16,240 Speaker 1: that spawned him and spend the rest of his day's 2663 02:23:16,280 --> 02:23:20,039 Speaker 1: being torn apart by Satan, has the program killed because 2664 02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:21,920 Speaker 1: he wants to make B two bombers, and he's like, oh, 2665 02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:24,360 Speaker 1: we've got to be able to drop nukes from weird 2666 02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:26,920 Speaker 1: triangle planes. We can't run the coolest plane of all 2667 02:23:26,959 --> 02:23:31,040 Speaker 1: time ever anymore. So he kills it. And it's depressing 2668 02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:34,360 Speaker 1: and it's it's everything is bad now, and he will 2669 02:23:34,520 --> 02:23:38,000 Speaker 1: rott in hell eternally for of his many crimes. Killing 2670 02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:39,840 Speaker 1: the SR seventy one. The only good thing the Americans 2671 02:23:39,920 --> 02:23:42,440 Speaker 1: ever did. He should have This is the only thing 2672 02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:44,840 Speaker 1: we should have ever spent money on us. Yeah, but 2673 02:23:44,959 --> 02:23:47,760 Speaker 1: if look if the roads just a network of SR 2674 02:23:47,879 --> 02:23:52,440 Speaker 1: seven it was that was almost three million dollars in 2675 02:23:52,480 --> 02:23:55,920 Speaker 1: today's money for one Yeah. Sure, but like just like 2676 02:23:57,000 --> 02:23:59,440 Speaker 1: just like a trillion dark. Look at how much worse 2677 02:23:59,640 --> 02:24:03,280 Speaker 1: that lane looks than the sr SEV one, like every 2678 02:24:03,360 --> 02:24:07,520 Speaker 1: success flying around in at they're so wet, they're so 2679 02:24:07,720 --> 02:24:13,880 Speaker 1: bad because Professor Xavier has has fucking style unfortunately. So 2680 02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:17,800 Speaker 1: there's the other things they're building there are horrifying. Um. 2681 02:24:18,120 --> 02:24:20,600 Speaker 1: One of the most important ones that I think people 2682 02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:23,360 Speaker 1: have sort of like forgotten the real impact of is 2683 02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:27,040 Speaker 1: is that the F one se Nighthawk and so so 2684 02:24:27,440 --> 02:24:30,120 Speaker 1: uh Eric fifty one is basically where American steuth technology 2685 02:24:30,160 --> 02:24:32,840 Speaker 1: is developed, which really does on the conspiracy but like, no, 2686 02:24:32,959 --> 02:24:34,360 Speaker 1: this is actually like yeah, this, this is this is 2687 02:24:34,400 --> 02:24:36,920 Speaker 1: what they're doing. They're doing Yeah, they're doing stealth technology 2688 02:24:37,080 --> 02:24:41,120 Speaker 1: and the Nighthawk. The Nighthawk is really bad, and the 2689 02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:43,320 Speaker 1: night Hawk is really bad because it fundamentally changes the 2690 02:24:43,360 --> 02:24:46,160 Speaker 1: balance of power between antio weapons and bombers. And this 2691 02:24:46,320 --> 02:24:48,400 Speaker 1: means that the US can just like, I don't know, 2692 02:24:48,480 --> 02:24:51,560 Speaker 1: for example, just obliterate an army of fleeing Iraqi conscripts 2693 02:24:51,560 --> 02:24:55,040 Speaker 1: without having to like worry about someone shooting down their planes. 2694 02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:58,400 Speaker 1: To be fair, I do think I do think the 2695 02:24:58,520 --> 02:25:03,320 Speaker 1: night Hawk looks way better then the previous plane we mentioned. 2696 02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:07,200 Speaker 1: That's for any one has not a bad looking plane, 2697 02:25:07,320 --> 02:25:10,880 Speaker 1: but the night has beautiful plane. It's a it is 2698 02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:14,240 Speaker 1: a horrible killing machine. It's all it's designed for. And 2699 02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:16,920 Speaker 1: it looks like it it looks like death. Like the 2700 02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:19,360 Speaker 1: plane looks like it's true, it doesn't look like well 2701 02:25:19,400 --> 02:25:21,400 Speaker 1: that's why I likely there's only one or seventy one 2702 02:25:21,480 --> 02:25:25,520 Speaker 1: just looks like it looks like, looks like sexy death. Yeah, 2703 02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:28,119 Speaker 1: whereas where this one looks like it's like, this looks 2704 02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:31,920 Speaker 1: like like like like like yeah, like a government put 2705 02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:35,120 Speaker 1: into a plane that is death, that is and that 2706 02:25:35,200 --> 02:25:37,400 Speaker 1: is what it looks like. And so yeah, this is 2707 02:25:37,480 --> 02:25:39,600 Speaker 1: this is this is part of a transition the night 2708 02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:41,880 Speaker 1: Hawks actually is there's an interesting transition that's happening here, 2709 02:25:41,920 --> 02:25:45,119 Speaker 1: which is that so the Nighthawks, Uh, the night Hawk 2710 02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:47,800 Speaker 1: is tested at at at one, but this is the 2711 02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:51,400 Speaker 1: first plane that like can actually drop bombs that are 2712 02:25:51,480 --> 02:25:52,840 Speaker 1: fift do you want ever made? Because up until up 2713 02:25:52,879 --> 02:25:54,640 Speaker 1: until this point they've been doing mconnaissance aircraft and be 2714 02:25:54,680 --> 02:25:57,200 Speaker 1: doing the YouTube there's seventy one a twelve, which is 2715 02:25:57,280 --> 02:26:01,600 Speaker 1: like they're just capable of accident ending the world, whereas 2716 02:26:02,200 --> 02:26:05,880 Speaker 1: these deliberately ending it by dropping bombs. Yeah, and and 2717 02:26:05,959 --> 02:26:08,720 Speaker 1: this this this is when the CIA gives control of 2718 02:26:09,080 --> 02:26:13,480 Speaker 1: AFT one to the Air Force. Yeah, and this is all. 2719 02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:15,680 Speaker 1: This is also where airy fifty two comes in because 2720 02:26:15,920 --> 02:26:17,840 Speaker 1: fifty two, which it's it's it's literally just a facility 2721 02:26:17,879 --> 02:26:20,280 Speaker 1: X fifty one. And so they air fifty one is like, 2722 02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:22,880 Speaker 1: I sorry, Air fifty two is built up basically to 2723 02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:26,960 Speaker 1: like house the night Hawks. Now it is it is 2724 02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:29,959 Speaker 1: interesting that like the older night Hawks look a lot 2725 02:26:30,120 --> 02:26:34,160 Speaker 1: more like UFOs than the newer night Hawks. Like the 2726 02:26:34,200 --> 02:26:37,720 Speaker 1: newer night Hawks look more like the stupid like tumbler 2727 02:26:37,800 --> 02:26:40,800 Speaker 1: batmobile but in a plane, the older night Hawks look 2728 02:26:40,840 --> 02:26:43,600 Speaker 1: a lot more sci fi um. And it is interesting 2729 02:26:43,640 --> 02:26:45,600 Speaker 1: working the difference to be like, if I saw the 2730 02:26:45,640 --> 02:26:47,480 Speaker 1: older night Hawk could be like, oh that's the UFO. 2731 02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:49,120 Speaker 1: If I saw the newer night Hawk, I'm like, oh 2732 02:26:49,240 --> 02:26:51,280 Speaker 1: that is like a military plane. Yeah. Well, and I 2733 02:26:51,320 --> 02:26:53,720 Speaker 1: will I will say this. So they start doing a 2734 02:26:53,800 --> 02:26:55,920 Speaker 1: lot of things to reduce the number of UFO sightings 2735 02:26:56,120 --> 02:26:58,040 Speaker 1: they produce. So, like they said, they start flaying. They 2736 02:26:58,080 --> 02:27:00,880 Speaker 1: start flying at night because it's actually really hard to 2737 02:27:00,879 --> 02:27:04,840 Speaker 1: see a black airplane at night. Which yeah, but but 2738 02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:08,000 Speaker 1: you know the other thing that they're doing in Air 2739 02:27:08,120 --> 02:27:10,600 Speaker 1: fifty one, and they've been doing this really since the sixties. 2740 02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:13,440 Speaker 1: Is Air fifty one is where the US basically develops 2741 02:27:13,480 --> 02:27:16,680 Speaker 1: its drones. Yeah, and that is that that is the 2742 02:27:16,760 --> 02:27:20,520 Speaker 1: modern thing that pilots talk of it on CBS or whatever, 2743 02:27:20,680 --> 02:27:22,480 Speaker 1: and and you know, and it's interestingly so so I 2744 02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean I've been sort of aware of this, I 2745 02:27:24,680 --> 02:27:28,240 Speaker 1: didn't fully understand it. The US like had drones in 2746 02:27:28,280 --> 02:27:31,640 Speaker 1: the sixties which just put a lot Yeah, yeah, like 2747 02:27:31,720 --> 02:27:33,600 Speaker 1: they like one of the things they do with the 2748 02:27:33,640 --> 02:27:35,240 Speaker 1: A twelve is they put like they had this like 2749 02:27:35,560 --> 02:27:38,600 Speaker 1: Ramjet drone on top of it, just like pretty like 2750 02:27:38,640 --> 02:27:40,840 Speaker 1: a Ramjet joone is sick. Like that's like, that's just 2751 02:27:40,879 --> 02:27:42,800 Speaker 1: like a cool thing. Yeah, if it wasn't used for 2752 02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:46,760 Speaker 1: killing people, then all these things are cool designed to people. 2753 02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:49,000 Speaker 1: Well yeah, but about the ram jet things, they had 2754 02:27:49,000 --> 02:27:50,600 Speaker 1: to stop using it because it kept it kept just 2755 02:27:50,680 --> 02:27:53,280 Speaker 1: like like cutting the airplane that kept cutting the A 2756 02:27:53,360 --> 02:27:59,600 Speaker 1: twelve and a half. It's okay, well to the ram 2757 02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:02,240 Speaker 1: Jet drowne But yeah, And I think the last thing 2758 02:28:02,280 --> 02:28:06,119 Speaker 1: we should talk about is that, Yeah, so Area fifty 2759 02:28:06,200 --> 02:28:08,879 Speaker 1: ones the latest thing that we know that they did 2760 02:28:09,160 --> 02:28:13,720 Speaker 1: that is horrifying and awful is so up up until 2761 02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:16,800 Speaker 1: nine eleven, there have been a line in the U. S. Military, 2762 02:28:16,879 --> 02:28:19,200 Speaker 1: and that line was you do not put weapons on 2763 02:28:19,320 --> 02:28:28,560 Speaker 1: unarmed drones. After after what a time? Yeah, and every 2764 02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:31,199 Speaker 1: nine eleven, uh, the air Force in the CIA basically 2765 02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:33,400 Speaker 1: get together and they're trying to draw up a plan 2766 02:28:33,440 --> 02:28:36,320 Speaker 1: to kill Burn Lauden and so their their plan to 2767 02:28:36,400 --> 02:28:38,360 Speaker 1: do this is to put health fire missiles on a drone. 2768 02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:41,240 Speaker 1: And this is this is this is the origin of 2769 02:28:41,440 --> 02:28:45,520 Speaker 1: what a horrible series of ye there like the few 2770 02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:48,160 Speaker 1: decisions that have impacted the course of humanity for the 2771 02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:52,080 Speaker 1: next century that are being responsible for so many and 2772 02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:54,160 Speaker 1: this thing, you you can you can see where this 2773 02:28:54,320 --> 02:28:56,240 Speaker 1: is going in the initial thing because so when when 2774 02:28:56,320 --> 02:28:58,520 Speaker 1: when when they're testing the missiles on this right in 2775 02:28:58,600 --> 02:29:01,200 Speaker 1: Air fifty one, that they set up a mock version 2776 02:29:01,280 --> 02:29:03,920 Speaker 1: of like Ben Lawden's house, and they're setting it up 2777 02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:05,480 Speaker 1: so that they can figure out how many children they 2778 02:29:05,480 --> 02:29:07,480 Speaker 1: are going to kill when they blow this thing up. Yeah, 2779 02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:10,880 Speaker 1: and yeah, that's that's that's that's that's been that's been 2780 02:29:10,920 --> 02:29:15,160 Speaker 1: a modern No, the worst, the worst thing to come 2781 02:29:15,200 --> 02:29:19,400 Speaker 1: from places like this is putting guns on robots and drones. 2782 02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:22,760 Speaker 1: This is like the worst thing, almost almost almost ending 2783 02:29:22,840 --> 02:29:26,119 Speaker 1: the world with nuclear weapons, and then now drones deciding 2784 02:29:26,160 --> 02:29:29,680 Speaker 1: to put deciding to put bombs and weapons on little 2785 02:29:29,800 --> 02:29:34,120 Speaker 1: tiny things that fly and little and little robots that 2786 02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:37,840 Speaker 1: crawl around. This is the worst thing imaginable that we 2787 02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:40,520 Speaker 1: could have. We could have just not done, but we're like, nope, 2788 02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:43,039 Speaker 1: let's do it. And because the thing thing has occard 2789 02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:45,480 Speaker 1: about it is even even though like seventies c i 2790 02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:47,880 Speaker 1: A was like, this is a bad idea. I know, 2791 02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:50,400 Speaker 1: it's one of one of the first laws of like 2792 02:29:51,000 --> 02:29:53,359 Speaker 1: one of the first laws of first lave of robotics, 2793 02:29:53,480 --> 02:29:56,520 Speaker 1: the first law of robotics. Yeah, but we stopped talking 2794 02:29:56,560 --> 02:30:00,440 Speaker 1: about that years ago, and now we have the Now 2795 02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:04,280 Speaker 1: we have those fucking robot dogs have fucking like five 2796 02:30:04,680 --> 02:30:12,760 Speaker 1: six rifles six point five even worse, even worse. Yeah, 2797 02:30:12,920 --> 02:30:16,080 Speaker 1: and that's the episode. And yeah, a six point five 2798 02:30:16,160 --> 02:30:19,080 Speaker 1: creed More rifle, it'll go right through a robot. Yeah, 2799 02:30:20,200 --> 02:30:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm real excited for the robot Wars and then you'll 2800 02:30:23,240 --> 02:30:27,080 Speaker 1: be able to it's gonna suck so bad. We're already 2801 02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:30,760 Speaker 1: in the robot Wars. Yeah, I know, yeah, it's well, 2802 02:30:30,800 --> 02:30:33,480 Speaker 1: it's happened. Well, but you know what will never happen. 2803 02:30:33,640 --> 02:30:35,160 Speaker 1: It would have been so much it would have been 2804 02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:39,240 Speaker 1: so much better if it was just aliens. God what no, not, Yeah, 2805 02:30:39,480 --> 02:30:43,800 Speaker 1: you would though, if we ever do Store Mary, we 2806 02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:46,199 Speaker 1: should just destroy it like that. That's just that place. 2807 02:30:46,320 --> 02:30:48,400 Speaker 1: That place should be raised to the ground and like 2808 02:30:48,560 --> 02:30:50,560 Speaker 1: left as a monument to the people that killed, because 2809 02:30:52,040 --> 02:30:56,000 Speaker 1: that should be most of the states. Yes, yes, specifically, 2810 02:30:57,160 --> 02:30:59,480 Speaker 1: we fill every inch of it with concrete and we 2811 02:30:59,600 --> 02:31:02,000 Speaker 1: top it with a statue of Fox Molder. You know. 2812 02:31:02,120 --> 02:31:03,959 Speaker 1: You know what we do is we do the thing 2813 02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:09,520 Speaker 1: like for the theoretical the theoretical nuclear waste disposal site. Yeah, 2814 02:31:09,640 --> 02:31:12,560 Speaker 1: that is what we do. It is also still sort 2815 02:31:12,560 --> 02:31:15,039 Speaker 1: of a radiant and also it is still also radiant. 2816 02:31:15,320 --> 02:31:20,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing of value is kept here. 2817 02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:25,439 Speaker 1: Turn turn away. Yea. Yeah, well I wish it was Aliens. 2818 02:31:26,040 --> 02:31:29,400 Speaker 1: We all wish it was aliens. All right, Well that's 2819 02:31:29,400 --> 02:31:33,520 Speaker 1: the episode. You can follow our CIA exploits that that 2820 02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:36,000 Speaker 1: happened here upon on Twitter and Instagram. God I hate 2821 02:31:36,040 --> 02:31:53,120 Speaker 1: social media. All right, that's the episode, spooky, all right, 2822 02:31:53,160 --> 02:31:56,720 Speaker 1: we're done. Um, hello, everybody, welcome back to the show. 2823 02:31:56,840 --> 02:31:58,920 Speaker 1: That this is on the week that this is which 2824 02:31:59,000 --> 02:32:03,359 Speaker 1: is the spooky week of the year where things are spooky. Today, 2825 02:32:03,959 --> 02:32:09,119 Speaker 1: my guest Katie Golden. Katie, say hello to the audience. Hello, audience, 2826 02:32:09,400 --> 02:32:14,760 Speaker 1: now say goodbye. Okay by audience. Now tell the audience 2827 02:32:14,840 --> 02:32:18,800 Speaker 1: that acts of industrial sabotage are always morally justified in 2828 02:32:18,879 --> 02:32:24,160 Speaker 1: defense of the climate. Uh acts of Wait, okay, so 2829 02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:29,600 Speaker 1: are you do you guys have a team of lawyers 2830 02:32:29,720 --> 02:32:32,720 Speaker 1: that I can access or absolutely, they say it's fine. 2831 02:32:32,959 --> 02:32:35,400 Speaker 1: They say it's fine. If you tell people that, then 2832 02:32:35,600 --> 02:32:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, industrial sabotui or whatever. He said, it's cool. 2833 02:32:39,959 --> 02:32:43,080 Speaker 1: I love it all right, everybody. I wouldn't have made 2834 02:32:43,120 --> 02:32:45,320 Speaker 1: that kind of claim, but but you heard Katie, so 2835 02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, there you go. We've now made a full 2836 02:32:48,400 --> 02:32:52,360 Speaker 1: throated defense of the Niger Delta Avengers. That is true. 2837 02:32:52,440 --> 02:32:55,600 Speaker 1: That is an upcoming episode. Chris, um, Katie, what do you? 2838 02:32:55,680 --> 02:32:56,920 Speaker 1: What do you do? What do we? What do we? 2839 02:32:57,080 --> 02:32:59,040 Speaker 1: What do we? What? What are we? What are we? 2840 02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:05,600 Speaker 1: What are We're all stardust? Robert, Okay, well that sounds soothing. 2841 02:33:05,640 --> 02:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Actually well well, first, Katie of of of the Golden's 2842 02:33:10,600 --> 02:33:14,360 Speaker 1: is the host of Creature right for some more news. 2843 02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:17,119 Speaker 1: You're the host of Creature Future Jesus, Sophie, you gotta 2844 02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:23,880 Speaker 1: remember these things. Um, everything's always beautiful. What are we 2845 02:33:23,959 --> 02:33:26,160 Speaker 1: What are we doing today? What do you got? What? 2846 02:33:26,400 --> 02:33:30,800 Speaker 1: What are what's happening? I mean, this is your podcast, 2847 02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:36,560 Speaker 1: But I thought, all right, fine, it's my podcast. Now, 2848 02:33:36,640 --> 02:33:39,959 Speaker 1: welcome to it could happen. We are hosted by Katie Golden. 2849 02:33:40,520 --> 02:33:42,680 Speaker 1: I thought we could talk. I thought we could talk 2850 02:33:42,680 --> 02:33:46,240 Speaker 1: about animals because I like animals. All right, you got 2851 02:33:46,360 --> 02:33:50,000 Speaker 1: a spooky thing about an animal for us? Yeah, I thought, 2852 02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:53,080 Speaker 1: because the theme of your podcast seems to be, you know, 2853 02:33:53,360 --> 02:33:57,240 Speaker 1: sort of the future and how things could get pretty 2854 02:33:57,320 --> 02:34:00,840 Speaker 1: fucky in the future, and I thought, there are some 2855 02:34:01,400 --> 02:34:06,240 Speaker 1: examples of things getting fucky with animals in the current present. 2856 02:34:07,160 --> 02:34:11,760 Speaker 1: That seems to it could maybe be a bit of 2857 02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:15,480 Speaker 1: a crystal ball for things that could happen in the 2858 02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:20,119 Speaker 1: future with climate change. That is kind of spooky. All right, 2859 02:34:20,600 --> 02:34:24,720 Speaker 1: let's do it. Have you guys heard of the Saiga antelope. 2860 02:34:26,520 --> 02:34:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard of antelopes, and I've heard of 2861 02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:31,400 Speaker 1: the Saiga, and I guess I'm not surprised that there's 2862 02:34:31,600 --> 02:34:35,800 Speaker 1: antelopes in the Saiga. Do me a quick favor and 2863 02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:39,320 Speaker 1: just google Siga antelope and just take a gander. Take 2864 02:34:39,360 --> 02:34:45,720 Speaker 1: them on in as I I'll describe them to the audience. Wow. Yeah, 2865 02:34:47,080 --> 02:34:50,720 Speaker 1: they are kind of some of the cutest, dufiest little 2866 02:34:50,959 --> 02:34:54,280 Speaker 1: us in the world. Little little they have the best 2867 02:34:54,400 --> 02:34:59,040 Speaker 1: little face. It's it's like just too it's just a 2868 02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:02,920 Speaker 1: big nose. It's just a big ridiculous nose. My god, 2869 02:35:03,040 --> 02:35:05,880 Speaker 1: that knows looks silly. They must be endangered because they 2870 02:35:05,959 --> 02:35:08,760 Speaker 1: look they look like they're terrible at staying alive. Their 2871 02:35:08,920 --> 02:35:12,600 Speaker 1: their faces all nose. It's like someone's whole face was 2872 02:35:12,680 --> 02:35:15,840 Speaker 1: just a nose, like someone stuck an ant eater to like. Yeah, 2873 02:35:16,560 --> 02:35:19,199 Speaker 1: they look delicious. I'm just gonna say it. I would 2874 02:35:19,240 --> 02:35:22,280 Speaker 1: hunt them and eat them. They kind of have like 2875 02:35:23,240 --> 02:35:26,880 Speaker 1: did it with Voldemort's nostrils in the Harry Potter movie. 2876 02:35:27,000 --> 02:35:33,120 Speaker 1: But like long, Yeah, they look ridiculous. Yes, they like 2877 02:35:33,160 --> 02:35:36,879 Speaker 1: a Star Wars animal. Yeah, some of them. They're patterning 2878 02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:39,119 Speaker 1: makes it look like they have tear drop tattoos under 2879 02:35:39,160 --> 02:35:41,320 Speaker 1: their eyes, which I think means they've all killed someone 2880 02:35:41,360 --> 02:35:47,520 Speaker 1: in prison. I remember the hard correctly. Yeah, anyways, are 2881 02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:50,480 Speaker 1: you going to tell something that is happening with them? Katie? Yes? 2882 02:35:50,879 --> 02:35:54,920 Speaker 1: Are they racist? Are these racist? Antelope. Katie, we're gonna 2883 02:35:54,959 --> 02:35:58,959 Speaker 1: milkshake duct these antelopes. Yeah, they're they're all as far 2884 02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:00,800 Speaker 1: as I know, they're not tear racist. They have some 2885 02:36:01,000 --> 02:36:05,879 Speaker 1: problematic views on like, you know, gender abortion. Yeah, that's 2886 02:36:05,959 --> 02:36:09,320 Speaker 1: I mean, all antelope have really regressive attitudes towards women's 2887 02:36:09,400 --> 02:36:14,320 Speaker 1: reproductive health, I mean frustrating. Yeah, yeah, it's a but 2888 02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:17,000 Speaker 1: these guys look like Star Wars animals. To me, they 2889 02:36:17,080 --> 02:36:18,920 Speaker 1: kind of look like a Star Wars animal named like 2890 02:36:18,959 --> 02:36:23,080 Speaker 1: a grass honker or something. Yeah, they look extremely fake. 2891 02:36:23,160 --> 02:36:25,000 Speaker 1: It's it looks like a guy you'd meet at the 2892 02:36:25,080 --> 02:36:31,080 Speaker 1: bar where the Aliens played jizz. Yes, that type of 2893 02:36:31,160 --> 02:36:34,960 Speaker 1: music that Katie's doing is canonically and if you and 2894 02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:36,720 Speaker 1: if you are if you, if you are a musician 2895 02:36:36,760 --> 02:36:39,560 Speaker 1: who plays jiz, you are a jiz whaler. And the 2896 02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:43,800 Speaker 1: best thing about that is that I know all of 2897 02:36:43,879 --> 02:36:47,080 Speaker 1: the thought that George Lucas put to that was, Oh, 2898 02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:49,360 Speaker 1: someone asked what the type of music they played in 2899 02:36:49,400 --> 02:36:52,600 Speaker 1: the jazz is a real kind of music. Let me 2900 02:36:52,680 --> 02:36:56,600 Speaker 1: just put an eye in the vowel. Now, well that's 2901 02:36:56,640 --> 02:37:00,920 Speaker 1: gonna be the day for me. Aren't put an apostrophe 2902 02:37:00,959 --> 02:37:04,920 Speaker 1: in which it could have? It could have it could 2903 02:37:04,959 --> 02:37:09,320 Speaker 1: have been, is right, So it didn't even the effort 2904 02:37:09,400 --> 02:37:13,840 Speaker 1: wasn't there because these are okay, sorry, no, I could 2905 02:37:13,840 --> 02:37:17,120 Speaker 1: talk about this for hours. I just the differences between J. K. 2906 02:37:17,360 --> 02:37:21,800 Speaker 1: Rowling and and George Lucas as creators who both made 2907 02:37:21,959 --> 02:37:25,080 Speaker 1: very popular fiction franchises and want people to think they 2908 02:37:25,160 --> 02:37:28,240 Speaker 1: thought about them more than they did, is absolutely hysterical 2909 02:37:28,280 --> 02:37:30,600 Speaker 1: because J. K. Rowling does that by creating all these 2910 02:37:30,640 --> 02:37:34,400 Speaker 1: convoluted backstories and George Lucas replaced the A and jazz 2911 02:37:34,480 --> 02:37:38,800 Speaker 1: with an eye and didn't realize that a thing. Right, 2912 02:37:40,840 --> 02:37:45,400 Speaker 1: what an incredible person. It is pretty good. Sorry, Katie, No, 2913 02:37:45,640 --> 02:37:48,360 Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine. So these psyched antelope a k a. 2914 02:37:48,520 --> 02:37:52,240 Speaker 1: Jiz whalers are found in the grasslands and semi deserts 2915 02:37:52,400 --> 02:37:58,200 Speaker 1: in Central Asia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan. They 2916 02:37:58,240 --> 02:38:00,720 Speaker 1: actually used to have a much wider change, but because 2917 02:38:00,760 --> 02:38:04,520 Speaker 1: of all the Roberts out there wanting to taste their delicious, 2918 02:38:04,840 --> 02:38:12,360 Speaker 1: delicious hunting just that nose on a plate, their population 2919 02:38:12,480 --> 02:38:16,640 Speaker 1: declined and it's now limited to a small territory. So yeah, 2920 02:38:17,280 --> 02:38:21,320 Speaker 1: so there's still enough for me to eat a couple no, Robert, 2921 02:38:21,440 --> 02:38:23,160 Speaker 1: if you try to kill one, I'll kill you first. 2922 02:38:27,320 --> 02:38:30,280 Speaker 1: Antelope hunting, we have to we have to protect they 2923 02:38:30,320 --> 02:38:33,960 Speaker 1: look they look stupid as ship. They can't possibly be 2924 02:38:34,080 --> 02:38:36,760 Speaker 1: good at stuff. Actually what that knows? I bet their 2925 02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:40,400 Speaker 1: senses are. They could do a lot of interesting things. Yeah, anybody, 2926 02:38:40,560 --> 02:38:45,240 Speaker 1: let Katie tell the story. You interrupting, Fox go sorry, 2927 02:38:45,360 --> 02:38:49,200 Speaker 1: we all got jizz pilled in now not so, it's okay, 2928 02:38:49,240 --> 02:38:51,840 Speaker 1: it's I understand the excitement about these guys. Um. I 2929 02:38:51,879 --> 02:38:54,440 Speaker 1: do want to paint a mental picture for the audience 2930 02:38:54,520 --> 02:38:56,760 Speaker 1: just so they get like why people are freaking out. 2931 02:38:56,840 --> 02:39:00,760 Speaker 1: So they have this elephant, like imagine a little antelope, 2932 02:39:00,760 --> 02:39:03,400 Speaker 1: and they're they're small. They're about two to three ft tall, 2933 02:39:03,440 --> 02:39:07,960 Speaker 1: about sids. Yeah, they're little babies. And it looks like 2934 02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:10,840 Speaker 1: you took like a cute little deer and just glued 2935 02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:14,520 Speaker 1: like a big elephant nose to it. It's not as 2936 02:39:14,680 --> 02:39:16,800 Speaker 1: long as an elephant trunk, but it's sort of a 2937 02:39:17,440 --> 02:39:20,800 Speaker 1: like a it curls under like an elephant seal nose 2938 02:39:21,160 --> 02:39:24,400 Speaker 1: stuck to a little deer. And that snout is called 2939 02:39:24,440 --> 02:39:29,520 Speaker 1: a proboscis, and yeah, it's a they're kind of a 2940 02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:33,320 Speaker 1: they have sort of a light tan white coat. Uh, 2941 02:39:33,440 --> 02:39:37,039 Speaker 1: they can get really fluffy in the winter. Uh. They 2942 02:39:37,080 --> 02:39:41,560 Speaker 1: have these really huge tubular nostrils on that nose, and 2943 02:39:41,720 --> 02:39:47,040 Speaker 1: that gigantic honker helps them filter dirt as the huge 2944 02:39:47,080 --> 02:39:49,960 Speaker 1: herds sort of trample on the ground and kick up 2945 02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:54,160 Speaker 1: dirt clouds um. And it can also act as an 2946 02:39:54,280 --> 02:39:58,800 Speaker 1: ac unit that cools the Siga antelopes blood. So as 2947 02:39:58,920 --> 02:40:01,800 Speaker 1: blood flows through it, you have this spacious chamber and 2948 02:40:01,879 --> 02:40:05,200 Speaker 1: it cools the blood and it recirculates. And then in 2949 02:40:05,280 --> 02:40:07,960 Speaker 1: the winter it can act as a space heater that 2950 02:40:08,160 --> 02:40:12,680 Speaker 1: warms the air before they breathe it in so ac heater. Yeah, 2951 02:40:12,920 --> 02:40:16,879 Speaker 1: filter system. It's really a cool nose, which is why 2952 02:40:17,560 --> 02:40:22,039 Speaker 1: it was absolutely horrifying when entire herds of the Saga 2953 02:40:22,080 --> 02:40:26,720 Speaker 1: antelope started dropping dead on mass within like days of 2954 02:40:26,840 --> 02:40:32,640 Speaker 1: each other, just like a biblical plague. So there are photos. 2955 02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:45,040 Speaker 1: What's properly unbelievable. You're so embarrassing sometimes, Katie, I'm so sorry. No, 2956 02:40:45,240 --> 02:40:48,360 Speaker 1: it's it's it's fine. Um, I'm I mean, I don't 2957 02:40:48,400 --> 02:40:51,440 Speaker 1: know how else to sort of add levity to just 2958 02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:54,320 Speaker 1: the most adorable little antelope in the world just all 2959 02:40:54,520 --> 02:40:59,840 Speaker 1: suddenly dying. Uh, there. So there are photos in Kazakhstan 2960 02:41:00,400 --> 02:41:04,840 Speaker 1: of in Kazakhstan of these fields just littered with these 2961 02:41:04,959 --> 02:41:07,920 Speaker 1: white lumps, and when you zoom in you realize they're 2962 02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:12,680 Speaker 1: all saga antelope corpses just covering the ground. It's pretty 2963 02:41:12,760 --> 02:41:16,240 Speaker 1: bone chilling. It kind of looks okay, this is a 2964 02:41:16,320 --> 02:41:19,880 Speaker 1: little bit, uh. It kind of looks like a cult death, 2965 02:41:19,959 --> 02:41:25,240 Speaker 1: a mass cult death, like jonestown antelope. Oh boy. I 2966 02:41:25,360 --> 02:41:27,640 Speaker 1: was going to say when you go grenade fishing, but yeah, 2967 02:41:27,920 --> 02:41:34,200 Speaker 1: same kind of idea grenade fishing. Yeah, what does you 2968 02:41:34,280 --> 02:41:36,160 Speaker 1: drop a grenade in a lake and then it kills 2969 02:41:36,200 --> 02:41:37,680 Speaker 1: all the fish and they float to the top so 2970 02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:41,080 Speaker 1: you can Okay, I thought it was like you were 2971 02:41:41,200 --> 02:41:46,000 Speaker 1: fishing for like running around a field going like is 2972 02:41:46,040 --> 02:41:48,480 Speaker 1: that a grenade? Is? If you go fishing in a 2973 02:41:48,600 --> 02:41:51,320 Speaker 1: lake where people go grenade fishing, you may in fact 2974 02:41:51,520 --> 02:41:55,400 Speaker 1: catch a grenade. But no, right, two grenades with one stone. 2975 02:41:56,840 --> 02:41:59,920 Speaker 1: Well kind of I'm having this image of bobbing for apples. 2976 02:42:00,760 --> 02:42:11,520 Speaker 1: But above ye with lakes in Iraq, is it because 2977 02:42:11,560 --> 02:42:15,560 Speaker 1: they've got grenades in them? Yeah? Don't really, that's how 2978 02:42:15,600 --> 02:42:22,280 Speaker 1: you fish, Yeah, okay, yeah, it's still obsession looking at 2979 02:42:22,320 --> 02:42:27,480 Speaker 1: these pictures. Okay, what caused all this, this this nightmare 2980 02:42:27,520 --> 02:42:29,480 Speaker 1: plague that killed all of the all of the weird 2981 02:42:29,560 --> 02:42:32,840 Speaker 1: nos the gonzo antelope, right, the gonzo antelope. It was 2982 02:42:33,080 --> 02:42:37,200 Speaker 1: kind of a mystery. So in two hundred thousand siged 2983 02:42:37,360 --> 02:42:42,480 Speaker 1: died off in that year alone, literally not that many. 2984 02:42:42,840 --> 02:42:47,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was like the they wiped out the 2985 02:42:47,600 --> 02:42:52,680 Speaker 1: majority of the global population because they were already endangered. Um. Yeah, 2986 02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:55,720 Speaker 1: they just like keeled over died without explanation, and so 2987 02:42:56,040 --> 02:43:01,200 Speaker 1: researchers were obviously horrified and confused and slightly curious and 2988 02:43:01,520 --> 02:43:07,920 Speaker 1: start that's moan left. Yeah. Yeah, so they're like a 2989 02:43:08,040 --> 02:43:12,760 Speaker 1: hundred thousand left. Um. And so they started investigating the 2990 02:43:12,920 --> 02:43:15,440 Speaker 1: mass deaths and they found that the cause was a 2991 02:43:15,560 --> 02:43:21,720 Speaker 1: bacterial infection of pastor Ella multosita type B bacteria, which 2992 02:43:21,760 --> 02:43:25,879 Speaker 1: is a really catchy name. Um. And it caused hemorrhagic 2993 02:43:25,959 --> 02:43:31,120 Speaker 1: sceptus simia um, which is a horrible I looked up 2994 02:43:31,200 --> 02:43:34,520 Speaker 1: the symptoms. It's like internal bleeding and just it's like 2995 02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:39,199 Speaker 1: the worst cold ever, but also with your organs bleeding inside, 2996 02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:43,680 Speaker 1: which doesn't sound great. It sounds and honestly looks like 2997 02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:49,080 Speaker 1: Captain trips, like the plague from Stephen King's the stand 2998 02:43:49,160 --> 02:43:51,959 Speaker 1: that killed all of the people, Like just this horrible 2999 02:43:52,040 --> 02:43:55,720 Speaker 1: plague that makes everybody bleed out and drop where they're standing. Yeah, 3000 02:43:55,920 --> 02:43:58,720 Speaker 1: that's essentially what it happened. What happens also with a 3001 02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:01,480 Speaker 1: lot of snot like a lot of Yeah, that's also 3002 02:44:01,640 --> 02:44:05,480 Speaker 1: very captain trips. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean maybe 3003 02:44:05,520 --> 02:44:12,720 Speaker 1: that yeah yeah, so meat fun So yeah. What is 3004 02:44:12,760 --> 02:44:18,480 Speaker 1: thought to have happened is that basically, this bacteria pastor 3005 02:44:18,560 --> 02:44:22,320 Speaker 1: Ella has often been found in siga antelope large noses. 3006 02:44:22,360 --> 02:44:25,680 Speaker 1: They're also found in other like a yellow noses that 3007 02:44:25,959 --> 02:44:29,280 Speaker 1: have big these big sort of proboscus noses, and it 3008 02:44:29,440 --> 02:44:32,040 Speaker 1: lives in there. But it's normally not a problem because 3009 02:44:32,680 --> 02:44:35,360 Speaker 1: the immune system is able to fight it off fine 3010 02:44:35,480 --> 02:44:39,000 Speaker 1: and maintains this balance. But the climate, I don't know 3011 02:44:39,080 --> 02:44:41,120 Speaker 1: if you guys have heard, but climate is kind of 3012 02:44:41,240 --> 02:44:45,680 Speaker 1: getting weird. That is something I've I've heard of, Yeah, 3013 02:44:46,520 --> 02:44:49,680 Speaker 1: learning about it. It may be it may be changing 3014 02:44:49,760 --> 02:44:51,440 Speaker 1: from what it used to be a little bit. Yeah, 3015 02:44:52,080 --> 02:44:56,199 Speaker 1: it's called change of climate kind of on a global scale. 3016 02:44:56,240 --> 02:45:04,160 Speaker 1: Everything getting slightly warmer. Yeah, climate hot ng because of 3017 02:45:04,280 --> 02:45:11,600 Speaker 1: climate hottening, this bacteria it had much more ideal, uh 3018 02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:15,680 Speaker 1: kind of of an environment to grow. So inside the 3019 02:45:15,959 --> 02:45:19,280 Speaker 1: beautiful proboscis of the antelope, you can imagine it's moist, 3020 02:45:19,360 --> 02:45:23,320 Speaker 1: it's warm, it's great, it's moister fester inside the nose, 3021 02:45:23,760 --> 02:45:26,200 Speaker 1: right exactly. And so when it gets more humid on 3022 02:45:26,280 --> 02:45:29,800 Speaker 1: the outside, more hot and humid, that nose increases in 3023 02:45:29,879 --> 02:45:33,640 Speaker 1: temperature as well, and it became the perfect incubator for 3024 02:45:33,760 --> 02:45:38,920 Speaker 1: hosting this bacteria such that it overwhelmed the antelopes immune 3025 02:45:38,959 --> 02:45:43,160 Speaker 1: system and literally they just started dropping like flies from 3026 02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:47,480 Speaker 1: this infection, like an entire herd dying within a couple 3027 02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:51,040 Speaker 1: of days. When when you first mentioned this, you're talking 3028 02:45:51,040 --> 02:45:52,480 Speaker 1: about how they can use their nose as like an 3029 02:45:52,480 --> 02:45:54,840 Speaker 1: air conditioner. I was thinking like, oh, maybe maybe these 3030 02:45:54,840 --> 02:45:56,920 Speaker 1: animals will be like well adapted to climate change so 3031 02:45:56,959 --> 02:45:59,200 Speaker 1: they can stuff regulate. But no, of course not. Of 3032 02:45:59,280 --> 02:46:03,640 Speaker 1: course it's not a good story. Um yea. Now, I 3033 02:46:03,720 --> 02:46:06,280 Speaker 1: think that's what's so creepy about climate change to me 3034 02:46:06,360 --> 02:46:10,080 Speaker 1: is there's like the obvious effects are things like more fire, 3035 02:46:10,360 --> 02:46:13,360 Speaker 1: we get real hot and we die because it's too hot. 3036 02:46:13,959 --> 02:46:18,760 Speaker 1: But things like oh this means bacteria loves loves living 3037 02:46:18,840 --> 02:46:21,320 Speaker 1: life and like starts eating us from the inside out. 3038 02:46:21,400 --> 02:46:24,600 Speaker 1: Like that's not a really I guess intuitive consequence of 3039 02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:28,440 Speaker 1: global warming, but it is one of the things that 3040 02:46:29,000 --> 02:46:31,880 Speaker 1: seems to be likely to happen. So it's really creepy. 3041 02:46:32,560 --> 02:46:35,080 Speaker 1: Well it's fun is when you started this and talked 3042 02:46:35,120 --> 02:46:37,800 Speaker 1: about like a whole herd of of of these antelopes 3043 02:46:37,879 --> 02:46:39,800 Speaker 1: dropping at once, I thought it was going to be like, oh, 3044 02:46:39,879 --> 02:46:42,560 Speaker 1: another one of those like horrible sulfur bubbles that killed 3045 02:46:42,640 --> 02:46:45,880 Speaker 1: like a city's worth of animals in a matter of 3046 02:46:45,959 --> 02:46:49,520 Speaker 1: seconds because a bunch of ice melted. Um. And I'm 3047 02:46:49,560 --> 02:46:52,720 Speaker 1: not sure which is creepier. Actually this is worse. Like 3048 02:46:53,120 --> 02:46:56,480 Speaker 1: they died in like horrible pain. Yeah, I don't think 3049 02:46:56,520 --> 02:47:00,440 Speaker 1: the sulfur wasn't painful, but yeah, but they're horrifying. Break 3050 02:47:01,480 --> 02:47:04,600 Speaker 1: the soulfers at least faster. They're both very frightening. And 3051 02:47:04,680 --> 02:47:07,199 Speaker 1: it's also both things that like oh yeah, that could 3052 02:47:07,320 --> 02:47:09,760 Speaker 1: that could they that could drop some people that could 3053 02:47:10,040 --> 02:47:12,240 Speaker 1: just jump right across. There's there's a couple of ways 3054 02:47:12,280 --> 02:47:14,080 Speaker 1: this could go bad for us. This is the thing 3055 02:47:14,160 --> 02:47:15,800 Speaker 1: me and Robert was looking a little bit into to 3056 02:47:15,840 --> 02:47:18,360 Speaker 1: put together the first five scripted episodes of The Daily 3057 02:47:18,800 --> 02:47:21,200 Speaker 1: Is We in a few books we read, there were 3058 02:47:21,240 --> 02:47:23,680 Speaker 1: there were there were sections, like large sections about how 3059 02:47:23,760 --> 02:47:28,160 Speaker 1: this is gonna basically just make plagues be a thing forever. Now, Yeah, 3060 02:47:28,200 --> 02:47:29,840 Speaker 1: this is gonna be hard for people to really get 3061 02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:32,200 Speaker 1: their heads around. But imagine a plague hit in in 3062 02:47:32,360 --> 02:47:35,120 Speaker 1: in the twenty onet century. How scary that would be 3063 02:47:35,360 --> 02:47:38,080 Speaker 1: just really trying to get your head around that global plague. Yeah, 3064 02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:44,160 Speaker 1: people drop into frightening, you know. So the coronavirus coronavirus 3065 02:47:44,280 --> 02:47:48,360 Speaker 1: is technically it's not a plague, right because it's not bacteria. 3066 02:47:48,640 --> 02:47:52,920 Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's viral, but a lot of people a 3067 02:47:52,959 --> 02:47:57,760 Speaker 1: plague like it's it's it's both both both like viral 3068 02:47:57,800 --> 02:48:01,280 Speaker 1: pathogens bacterial pathogens are with with globalization, can spread it 3069 02:48:01,400 --> 02:48:03,760 Speaker 1: much faster, right, and now with global warming there's gonna 3070 02:48:03,800 --> 02:48:07,360 Speaker 1: be more breeding ground for literally new bacterias. And this 3071 02:48:07,480 --> 02:48:09,280 Speaker 1: is and with with stuff melting in the ice caps 3072 02:48:09,320 --> 02:48:10,920 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. There's just a lot 3073 02:48:11,000 --> 02:48:14,000 Speaker 1: of reasons to just assume that, yeah, we're just gonna 3074 02:48:14,080 --> 02:48:16,440 Speaker 1: kind of live with plagues constantly being a problem now, 3075 02:48:16,600 --> 02:48:19,080 Speaker 1: Like it's that's just what they were there there There 3076 02:48:19,600 --> 02:48:22,400 Speaker 1: never is going to be a post COVID nineteen world, 3077 02:48:22,840 --> 02:48:26,400 Speaker 1: it's just this forever. COVID was just the first plague 3078 02:48:26,480 --> 02:48:29,920 Speaker 1: that really got through the defenses that we're never going 3079 02:48:30,040 --> 02:48:32,120 Speaker 1: to hold up to the damage we're doing to the climate. 3080 02:48:33,520 --> 02:48:35,600 Speaker 1: Like there were a couple of plagues beforehand that like 3081 02:48:35,760 --> 02:48:37,560 Speaker 1: we we were able to kind of tamp down on, 3082 02:48:37,720 --> 02:48:40,160 Speaker 1: get a lit on, and COVID was just the system 3083 02:48:40,240 --> 02:48:43,440 Speaker 1: actually finally shattering and it's never gonna get fixed and 3084 02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:46,120 Speaker 1: the plagues are just gonna get play gear and uh, 3085 02:48:46,480 --> 02:48:49,360 Speaker 1: it'll be fun. But on the other side, on the upside, 3086 02:48:49,520 --> 02:48:55,360 Speaker 1: here's some mats. Okay, Yeah, on the upside, capitalism we 3087 02:48:55,480 --> 02:48:58,879 Speaker 1: are back. I've I've unfortunately I've got to the point 3088 02:48:58,920 --> 02:49:01,360 Speaker 1: where I'm scrolling through these pictures where I have now 3089 02:49:01,560 --> 02:49:06,920 Speaker 1: found the mountain of dead animals. Yeah, it's real, fucking 3090 02:49:07,000 --> 02:49:09,880 Speaker 1: the stand ship. Yeah, it's a lot of them, a 3091 02:49:09,959 --> 02:49:12,640 Speaker 1: lot of them dead, just in giant pile. Like imagine 3092 02:49:12,680 --> 02:49:17,360 Speaker 1: the cutest Sesame Street character, cuter than snuffle uphagus, just 3093 02:49:18,040 --> 02:49:20,880 Speaker 1: lying in heaps. And that big nose has to make 3094 02:49:20,959 --> 02:49:25,480 Speaker 1: them extra vulnerable to fucking horrible nose bacteria. That's what 3095 02:49:25,600 --> 02:49:32,480 Speaker 1: we were just talking about. It's literally that's just what 3096 02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:37,200 Speaker 1: we said Katie just explained that I know, but it's 3097 02:49:37,240 --> 02:49:40,240 Speaker 1: so sad. It is very sad. It's very sad. And 3098 02:49:40,520 --> 02:49:44,560 Speaker 1: there there's this is not an isolated case that will 3099 02:49:44,600 --> 02:49:49,080 Speaker 1: never happen again. Researchers warm that it's very likely stuff 3100 02:49:49,120 --> 02:49:51,960 Speaker 1: like this will keep happening with climate change, and they're 3101 02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:56,200 Speaker 1: warning that reindeer populations are at risk because reindeer actually 3102 02:49:56,240 --> 02:49:58,760 Speaker 1: also have a really even though it doesn't seem like 3103 02:49:58,840 --> 02:50:00,680 Speaker 1: they have a huge boss, because they have a very 3104 02:50:00,760 --> 02:50:05,680 Speaker 1: impressive nose, it's very spacious. It also actually works like 3105 02:50:05,920 --> 02:50:08,960 Speaker 1: a little space heater and warms up the air as 3106 02:50:09,400 --> 02:50:12,920 Speaker 1: they breathe it in. It's pretty amazing. But those same 3107 02:50:13,200 --> 02:50:17,080 Speaker 1: characteristics that are so beneficial to the reindeer now could 3108 02:50:17,200 --> 02:50:20,520 Speaker 1: actually become very dangerous for them with climate change if 3109 02:50:20,600 --> 02:50:25,119 Speaker 1: this bacterial growth happens. So we're looking at potential um, 3110 02:50:25,720 --> 02:50:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, risk to reindeer population, and there's also a 3111 02:50:29,400 --> 02:50:32,280 Speaker 1: lot of risk to farm animals as well, like for 3112 02:50:32,920 --> 02:50:37,720 Speaker 1: something similar have to happen where this bacteria can infect 3113 02:50:38,160 --> 02:50:44,320 Speaker 1: farm animals like cows and other types of ungulate farm animals. Uh. 3114 02:50:44,760 --> 02:50:48,000 Speaker 1: And so you know, even if people don't care about 3115 02:50:48,320 --> 02:50:51,360 Speaker 1: the adorable psycha antelope, which I guess would be just 3116 02:50:51,520 --> 02:50:57,720 Speaker 1: psychopaths murders, you know. Uh, But like you know, we 3117 02:50:57,879 --> 02:51:03,040 Speaker 1: also have very important species like you know, reindeer that 3118 02:51:03,160 --> 02:51:07,280 Speaker 1: are keystone species, and also you know our farm animals 3119 02:51:07,360 --> 02:51:10,080 Speaker 1: that you know, Yeah, they're very important for a lot 3120 02:51:10,120 --> 02:51:13,040 Speaker 1: of people to basically how they live. Their lives are 3121 02:51:13,040 --> 02:51:18,600 Speaker 1: based around cultivating these animals and hunting and raising it. Yeah. Yeah, 3122 02:51:18,800 --> 02:51:22,600 Speaker 1: so I mean, in my opinion, every species, even if 3123 02:51:23,040 --> 02:51:26,360 Speaker 1: no matter how obscured it is, it is typically something 3124 02:51:26,480 --> 02:51:28,560 Speaker 1: very important for humans. It's just it's sort of the 3125 02:51:28,680 --> 02:51:31,959 Speaker 1: like seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon. It's like you don't 3126 02:51:32,040 --> 02:51:35,240 Speaker 1: have to get too far away to realize that Kevin Bacon, 3127 02:51:35,720 --> 02:51:39,440 Speaker 1: like his survival is really important to the planet. Um, 3128 02:51:39,840 --> 02:51:42,720 Speaker 1: except instead of Kevin Bacon, it's like any animal. And 3129 02:51:42,840 --> 02:51:45,600 Speaker 1: that is basically all animals and all ecosystems, no matter 3130 02:51:45,720 --> 02:51:48,200 Speaker 1: even if you feel like they're not super important. The 3131 02:51:48,280 --> 02:51:51,600 Speaker 1: way our world works and how he doesn't work, they're 3132 02:51:51,600 --> 02:51:55,880 Speaker 1: all incredibly intrinsic and reliant on each other. So even 3133 02:51:56,240 --> 02:51:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, that's that we're seeing stuff about like why 3134 02:51:58,240 --> 02:52:01,600 Speaker 1: don't we just like turn entire deserts into solar fields 3135 02:52:01,640 --> 02:52:04,040 Speaker 1: and be like, well, no, because the desert equistem actually 3136 02:52:05,360 --> 02:52:07,520 Speaker 1: like if they serves a very important purpose, Like you 3137 02:52:07,600 --> 02:52:10,240 Speaker 1: can't just be like, oh, deserts are important, Like no, 3138 02:52:10,440 --> 02:52:13,280 Speaker 1: like they have an actual equism that's actually very important 3139 02:52:13,320 --> 02:52:15,560 Speaker 1: to the surrounding areas. Okay, we can't just bulldoze it 3140 02:52:15,600 --> 02:52:18,400 Speaker 1: and turn into a solar just sand garrison, which is 3141 02:52:18,520 --> 02:52:23,520 Speaker 1: coarse and irritating, and it gets everywhere, It's everywhere? Is 3142 02:52:23,560 --> 02:52:27,520 Speaker 1: that an actual quote from from EPs episode two, Attack 3143 02:52:27,560 --> 02:52:30,840 Speaker 1: of the Clones by hearing Christensen playing Anakin skywalker the 3144 02:52:30,920 --> 02:52:36,640 Speaker 1: padawan with with the rat tail. Yeah, yeah, classic that. Yeah, 3145 02:52:36,760 --> 02:52:39,520 Speaker 1: his rat tail. Amazing. The courage they used to have, 3146 02:52:40,280 --> 02:52:43,560 Speaker 1: the courage of two three really stunning. Yeah. How could 3147 02:52:43,600 --> 02:52:45,960 Speaker 1: pat May not? How could she not want that? How 3148 02:52:46,040 --> 02:52:49,360 Speaker 1: could you resist? It's like that Ween song Every girl 3149 02:52:49,480 --> 02:52:52,480 Speaker 1: wants a guy with a rat tail. Yeah, I'm just 3150 02:52:52,600 --> 02:52:54,480 Speaker 1: assuming if that were a song, it would be by 3151 02:52:54,520 --> 02:52:59,880 Speaker 1: Ween called it's called a like a love lover. I 3152 02:53:00,080 --> 02:53:07,360 Speaker 1: think that's right, that's right. So what's up with these animals? Yeah? 3153 02:53:08,720 --> 02:53:10,840 Speaker 1: You want some more animals because I talked about how 3154 02:53:11,000 --> 02:53:14,560 Speaker 1: those animals mostly all died. Oh, I'm I'm just thinking, like, 3155 02:53:14,640 --> 02:53:16,280 Speaker 1: what's like, what's what like, do you know, like what's 3156 02:53:16,280 --> 02:53:21,360 Speaker 1: happened with them since they all dropped the thousand of 3157 02:53:21,400 --> 02:53:27,160 Speaker 1: them left alive? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're not currently all 3158 02:53:27,240 --> 02:53:30,920 Speaker 1: dying of this bacterial infection. Uh. I think like some 3159 02:53:31,160 --> 02:53:34,760 Speaker 1: of them are they apparently outside of the danger zone. 3160 02:53:34,800 --> 02:53:39,040 Speaker 1: I guess outside of the area where they're That's about 3161 02:53:39,080 --> 02:53:42,400 Speaker 1: the best you can say for any species. Some of 3162 02:53:42,440 --> 02:53:46,240 Speaker 1: them aren't the danger area occurred, but obviously that's going 3163 02:53:46,280 --> 02:53:50,440 Speaker 1: to change as global warming progresses. So yeah, it's a 3164 02:53:50,640 --> 02:53:53,600 Speaker 1: it's pretty grim. It's also I think, you know, obviously 3165 02:53:53,680 --> 02:53:56,720 Speaker 1: when you think about these things, humans obviously don't have 3166 02:53:57,000 --> 02:53:59,480 Speaker 1: like these big snuffle off a guess noses, which is 3167 02:53:59,560 --> 02:54:02,200 Speaker 1: really sad because I'm imagining us with it, and we're 3168 02:54:02,680 --> 02:54:05,920 Speaker 1: we'd all be dead, would all be dead? But really 3169 02:54:06,200 --> 02:54:08,080 Speaker 1: which would be better for the planet? So but we 3170 02:54:08,320 --> 02:54:10,680 Speaker 1: but we we would we would be way better at 3171 02:54:10,680 --> 02:54:13,480 Speaker 1: whaling jizz. And honestly, I feel like we would be 3172 02:54:13,520 --> 02:54:17,360 Speaker 1: whaling the hell out of some jizz one man, one 3173 02:54:17,440 --> 02:54:20,240 Speaker 1: can dream it would be nose deep in a big 3174 02:54:20,320 --> 02:54:27,280 Speaker 1: old pile of jes Oh wow, yeah, how would How 3175 02:54:27,360 --> 02:54:36,160 Speaker 1: does the Bible quantify jizz um cubits? Okay, that's what 3176 02:54:36,280 --> 02:54:38,320 Speaker 1: Noah said, but he wanted to get the Jews on 3177 02:54:38,400 --> 02:54:46,600 Speaker 1: the arc. Yeah, God's like us two jiz of every kind. Well, 3178 02:54:46,680 --> 02:54:50,840 Speaker 1: Noah was big into Now we're just like drawing that 3179 02:54:51,000 --> 02:54:55,320 Speaker 1: it was ever about music, all right, Sorry, Katie, No, 3180 02:54:55,480 --> 02:55:01,480 Speaker 1: that's all right, I asked, so, uh yeah, I mean 3181 02:55:01,760 --> 02:55:04,240 Speaker 1: I thought another thing we could talk about is how 3182 02:55:05,400 --> 02:55:09,640 Speaker 1: animal folklore is really important to pay attention to and 3183 02:55:09,920 --> 02:55:14,400 Speaker 1: to kind of listen to it as both information and 3184 02:55:14,600 --> 02:55:20,000 Speaker 1: warnings for the future. Um, because we often dismiss folklore 3185 02:55:20,520 --> 02:55:23,160 Speaker 1: as like, oh, you know, these are just spooky stories 3186 02:55:23,360 --> 02:55:26,160 Speaker 1: that we tell around the campfire. They're just legends, they 3187 02:55:26,200 --> 02:55:29,640 Speaker 1: don't mean anything. We're especially dismissive, I think when it 3188 02:55:29,720 --> 02:55:33,039 Speaker 1: comes to indigenous peoples. It's like, oh, your folklore, Oh 3189 02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:35,840 Speaker 1: that's so cute and quaint. But yeah, we listen to it. 3190 02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:37,680 Speaker 1: We we look at it as we we like really 3191 02:55:37,760 --> 02:55:40,600 Speaker 1: like infantilize it as like, oh, look at you primitive 3192 02:55:40,680 --> 02:55:45,000 Speaker 1: people still doing folklore, which is extremely extremely disrespectful and 3193 02:55:45,160 --> 02:55:49,960 Speaker 1: also like very naive about how things work when you 3194 02:55:50,040 --> 02:55:53,560 Speaker 1: look at how heavily engineered all of like the forests 3195 02:55:53,760 --> 02:55:56,760 Speaker 1: were in the entirety of the America's like from the 3196 02:55:56,879 --> 02:55:59,200 Speaker 1: Amazon of the up to the Pacific Northwest. It's a 3197 02:55:59,240 --> 02:56:01,760 Speaker 1: little like like the architect of a building comes in 3198 02:56:01,840 --> 02:56:04,160 Speaker 1: and says, hey, you can't knock out that retaining while 3199 02:56:04,200 --> 02:56:06,080 Speaker 1: the building is gonna collapse, and we're gonna be like, oh, 3200 02:56:06,720 --> 02:56:11,039 Speaker 1: Mr Architect with his magic walls, and then the building 3201 02:56:11,120 --> 02:56:17,080 Speaker 1: collapses on you know. There's there's a bunch of paintings. 3202 02:56:17,120 --> 02:56:20,480 Speaker 1: You're like, there's like these drawings from like this is 3203 02:56:20,560 --> 02:56:23,600 Speaker 1: like the early sixteen hundreds of of people like in 3204 02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:25,960 Speaker 1: North America, and and it will be these drawings. It's 3205 02:56:25,959 --> 02:56:29,280 Speaker 1: all these European guys standing on a tree and what 3206 02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:31,880 Speaker 1: they're watching is like it's it's one of one of 3207 02:56:31,959 --> 02:56:35,120 Speaker 1: the I forget exactly what tried this is. It's one 3208 02:56:35,120 --> 02:56:37,000 Speaker 1: of one of the people like they figured out how 3209 02:56:37,040 --> 02:56:40,360 Speaker 1: to have like a fire that's like it burns it 3210 02:56:40,520 --> 02:56:43,600 Speaker 1: like exactly, like like perfectly in this ring around the 3211 02:56:43,640 --> 02:56:45,440 Speaker 1: tree does not catch anything else inside of it. Like 3212 02:56:45,959 --> 02:56:47,840 Speaker 1: and it's funny because it's like you look at this 3213 02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:52,400 Speaker 1: and it's like okay, like the people, like the people 3214 02:56:52,440 --> 02:56:55,959 Speaker 1: who are drawing this painting cannot do this. And it's 3215 02:56:56,000 --> 02:56:59,280 Speaker 1: like it's very clear that they're just like incredibly befuddled 3216 02:56:59,360 --> 02:57:01,520 Speaker 1: by this, but like you know, and just it's it's 3217 02:57:01,560 --> 02:57:04,040 Speaker 1: just sitting there. And then all of the people who paint, 3218 02:57:04,040 --> 02:57:05,880 Speaker 1: who painted you, like, all the European artists who like 3219 02:57:05,879 --> 02:57:08,440 Speaker 1: do this each like no, no, not, it's fine. We 3220 02:57:08,600 --> 02:57:11,720 Speaker 1: don't know how they're doing this fire control stuff. But 3221 02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:17,119 Speaker 1: we're Europeans. Everything we every ignoring everything other people say 3222 02:57:17,240 --> 02:57:19,320 Speaker 1: is gonna go fine and great, and we're not gonna 3223 02:57:19,440 --> 02:57:22,400 Speaker 1: like turn half the country into a dust bowl. What 3224 02:57:22,879 --> 02:57:24,800 Speaker 1: do they got to teach us? We figured out how 3225 02:57:24,840 --> 02:57:27,200 Speaker 1: to make boats that only kill half the people on them, 3226 02:57:29,400 --> 02:57:33,160 Speaker 1: only half. I mean that, I mean that is a 3227 02:57:33,200 --> 02:57:36,960 Speaker 1: really good point. Uh. Controlled burns have been practiced by 3228 02:57:37,040 --> 02:57:42,520 Speaker 1: a number of civilizations for millennia, but when European settlers 3229 02:57:42,640 --> 02:57:46,720 Speaker 1: came and colonized North America were like controlled burns. But 3230 02:57:47,080 --> 02:57:50,080 Speaker 1: we want to sell the timber, and that sounds dangerous, 3231 02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:54,560 Speaker 1: so let us handle it. But this is all immortalized 3232 02:57:54,680 --> 02:57:59,039 Speaker 1: in the biographical song Timber Bye Bye pit Bull, which 3233 02:57:59,160 --> 02:58:02,960 Speaker 1: which which tell this story in in lyrical version please continue, 3234 02:58:03,040 --> 02:58:06,560 Speaker 1: and in uh, and in uh Timberland Boots, and in 3235 02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:09,480 Speaker 1: Timberland Boots. That's right. Every Timberland boot has a piece 3236 02:58:09,520 --> 02:58:14,600 Speaker 1: of the story. Yeah, and Timberwolves. The I'm gonna say 3237 02:58:14,760 --> 02:58:20,520 Speaker 1: hockey team. Yes, the hockey team is yeah. Okay, Yeah, 3238 02:58:22,640 --> 02:58:26,760 Speaker 1: Sophie is shaking your head. I'm sorry, Sophie. Minnesota Wolves 3239 02:58:26,800 --> 02:58:33,040 Speaker 1: are an NBA team. I'm sorry everyone you should be 3240 02:58:34,360 --> 02:58:39,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean so. In North America, especially in California. Uh, 3241 02:58:39,640 --> 02:58:44,200 Speaker 1: Indigenous American tribes practice controlled burns for thousands and thousands 3242 02:58:44,280 --> 02:58:47,880 Speaker 1: of years. Uh. The europe Carrick and Hoopa tribes of 3243 02:58:48,360 --> 02:58:54,080 Speaker 1: California did controlled burns, which, in addition to preventing larger, 3244 02:58:54,240 --> 02:58:58,520 Speaker 1: more dangerous wildfires by getting grid of dead brush, it 3245 02:58:58,680 --> 02:59:02,680 Speaker 1: also promoted new growth of vegetation like really important plant 3246 02:59:02,760 --> 02:59:07,080 Speaker 1: species like oak and hazel. It even had unexpected effects 3247 02:59:07,160 --> 02:59:10,640 Speaker 1: like supporting the salmon population because as you did, these 3248 02:59:10,720 --> 02:59:15,120 Speaker 1: controlled burns created a block from the sun so that 3249 02:59:15,280 --> 02:59:17,680 Speaker 1: the ash clouds and then that would cool down the 3250 02:59:17,760 --> 02:59:22,520 Speaker 1: temperatures of the streams. And I know what you're thinking, that, Hey, 3251 02:59:22,720 --> 02:59:26,000 Speaker 1: to counter global warming, we should burn everything so that 3252 02:59:26,240 --> 02:59:32,040 Speaker 1: I cooled down. Um. The problem with burning everything like 3253 02:59:32,200 --> 02:59:36,920 Speaker 1: these uncontrolled burns is they also kill living vegetation. And 3254 02:59:37,040 --> 02:59:39,800 Speaker 1: it's just like it burns everything in sight and leaves 3255 02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:43,240 Speaker 1: basically nothing, and it burns off a huge amount of 3256 02:59:43,280 --> 02:59:46,360 Speaker 1: carbon stores. So the great thing about controlled burns is 3257 02:59:46,440 --> 02:59:50,920 Speaker 1: it very slowly burns off these carbon stores in this 3258 02:59:51,120 --> 02:59:54,680 Speaker 1: dead wood, and then it gives it time to regrow 3259 02:59:55,000 --> 02:59:58,360 Speaker 1: so that you recapture the carbon rather than than just 3260 02:59:58,520 --> 03:00:01,000 Speaker 1: like burning all this carbon at once, releasing it all 3261 03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:03,800 Speaker 1: at once, and then it's like trying to play catchup. 3262 03:00:04,040 --> 03:00:06,440 Speaker 1: It's like if you still like a little bit of 3263 03:00:06,520 --> 03:00:08,560 Speaker 1: milk on the table and you use a paper towel 3264 03:00:08,879 --> 03:00:11,320 Speaker 1: and wipe it up, it works. But if you just 3265 03:00:11,440 --> 03:00:15,360 Speaker 1: like pour out the entire milk jug on the table, uh, 3266 03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, on like a sloppy Saturday, just pouring out 3267 03:00:19,560 --> 03:00:21,440 Speaker 1: that milk, It's like a paper towel is not going 3268 03:00:21,480 --> 03:00:25,800 Speaker 1: to do anything. That's like trees and carbon. You know 3269 03:00:25,800 --> 03:00:30,480 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Yes, yeah, I do, I do, I do. 3270 03:00:30,840 --> 03:00:33,800 Speaker 1: I do. Pick up what you are putting down. They say, 3271 03:00:34,040 --> 03:00:37,480 Speaker 1: although I still milk. Analogy, we should try a controlled 3272 03:00:37,560 --> 03:00:43,240 Speaker 1: burn on. Let's say Boston, see how it goes, right, 3273 03:00:47,520 --> 03:00:50,120 Speaker 1: didn't care for it. I didn't care for Boston. Don't 3274 03:00:50,160 --> 03:00:53,680 Speaker 1: see how we need it? Even North End? Yeah, yeah, 3275 03:00:53,720 --> 03:00:56,600 Speaker 1: I didn't care for it. M hm. They've got good 3276 03:00:56,640 --> 03:00:59,080 Speaker 1: canolis there, though I'm sure they do. You know where 3277 03:00:59,120 --> 03:01:01,520 Speaker 1: else has good canola? I don't because I don't care 3278 03:01:01,600 --> 03:01:11,080 Speaker 1: for cannoli's either. Okay, well, all right, that's uh. I'm 3279 03:01:11,080 --> 03:01:13,160 Speaker 1: actually living in Italy and so if they find out 3280 03:01:13,160 --> 03:01:15,080 Speaker 1: I've been on this podcast, I'm gonna get kicked out 3281 03:01:15,080 --> 03:01:17,320 Speaker 1: of the Oh you need to be yea very careful. 3282 03:01:17,520 --> 03:01:20,840 Speaker 1: It's filled with Italians. They're everywhere. If you can get 3283 03:01:20,920 --> 03:01:23,000 Speaker 1: up to the Alps, there might be some Swiss nearby 3284 03:01:23,040 --> 03:01:27,240 Speaker 1: who can protect you, but you're in dangerous territory. I 3285 03:01:27,280 --> 03:01:30,200 Speaker 1: didn't realize they're Italians here. That's scary. Yeah, it's one 3286 03:01:30,240 --> 03:01:34,840 Speaker 1: of the main problems that Italy has. Yeah so uh 3287 03:01:35,000 --> 03:01:40,280 Speaker 1: yeah so. But when basically um indigenous tribes had a 3288 03:01:40,400 --> 03:01:43,600 Speaker 1: pretty good system of controlled burns in California, and then 3289 03:01:43,640 --> 03:01:46,920 Speaker 1: when you know, colonizers came to North America, we were like, hey, 3290 03:01:47,080 --> 03:01:49,560 Speaker 1: stop that. In fact, we're gonna make it illegal to 3291 03:01:49,640 --> 03:01:53,040 Speaker 1: do controlled burns because that seems dangerous. And they focused 3292 03:01:53,120 --> 03:01:57,560 Speaker 1: on fire suppression and protection of timber stores rather than 3293 03:01:58,160 --> 03:02:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, paying attention to the way people had been 3294 03:02:00,720 --> 03:02:03,080 Speaker 1: doing this for thousands and thousands of years and how 3295 03:02:03,120 --> 03:02:05,600 Speaker 1: it kind of worked, and so they just thought like, hey, 3296 03:02:05,680 --> 03:02:08,959 Speaker 1: if we just stopped fires from ever happening, they'll never happen. 3297 03:02:09,440 --> 03:02:13,480 Speaker 1: But spoilers they just started happening still happen, and it's 3298 03:02:13,560 --> 03:02:15,920 Speaker 1: worse and they're out of control and they're big problems 3299 03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:21,039 Speaker 1: every year. And learned nothing, yep um. But another thing 3300 03:02:21,360 --> 03:02:25,080 Speaker 1: is that we could have learned about controlled burns much 3301 03:02:25,200 --> 03:02:28,720 Speaker 1: much earlier if we had decided to listen to the 3302 03:02:28,920 --> 03:02:35,160 Speaker 1: Aboriginal peoples in northern Australia. UM about fire hawks. So, 3303 03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:40,440 Speaker 1: fire hawks are raptors, that is, like birds of prey 3304 03:02:40,560 --> 03:02:46,280 Speaker 1: who seemed to either accidentally or intentionally spread wildfire by 3305 03:02:46,400 --> 03:02:50,160 Speaker 1: picking up smoldering twigs and sticks from a burning area 3306 03:02:50,720 --> 03:02:55,039 Speaker 1: and dropping them elsewhere. And then once they start that fire, 3307 03:02:55,600 --> 03:02:59,400 Speaker 1: they watch for all the little scared mice and rodents 3308 03:02:59,520 --> 03:03:03,000 Speaker 1: and lizards and just feast upon the fleeing animals. It's 3309 03:03:03,560 --> 03:03:09,560 Speaker 1: extremely metal. It does sound like that does sound very fun? Yeah, uh. 3310 03:03:09,680 --> 03:03:15,119 Speaker 1: And so research published in twenty eighteen UH detailed about 3311 03:03:15,200 --> 03:03:19,120 Speaker 1: how three species of birds of prey in Australia seemed 3312 03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:21,640 Speaker 1: to do this. But of course this is not news 3313 03:03:21,959 --> 03:03:27,400 Speaker 1: because Aboriginal people's have known about this for thousands and 3314 03:03:27,480 --> 03:03:32,040 Speaker 1: thousands of years and have documented this in their own folklore. 3315 03:03:32,520 --> 03:03:37,360 Speaker 1: There's uh even a ceremony called Yabadrua in which people 3316 03:03:37,760 --> 03:03:43,320 Speaker 1: act out birds carrying smoldering branches, which sounds amazing, but 3317 03:03:43,560 --> 03:03:47,480 Speaker 1: essentially they are teaching this uh sort of naturalist history 3318 03:03:47,720 --> 03:03:53,199 Speaker 1: of sorry of how they have seen these uh, these hawks, 3319 03:03:53,280 --> 03:03:57,440 Speaker 1: these firehawks carrying these burning sticks and distributing it. And 3320 03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:00,800 Speaker 1: if this, if we had listened to this, you know, earlier, 3321 03:04:00,879 --> 03:04:04,800 Speaker 1: we may have had more research on how you know, 3322 03:04:05,560 --> 03:04:11,000 Speaker 1: maybe these birds of prey have been terriforming the Australian 3323 03:04:11,080 --> 03:04:14,320 Speaker 1: out back for thousands and thousands of years and that's 3324 03:04:14,360 --> 03:04:17,720 Speaker 1: really cool and it may be really informative. But unfortunately 3325 03:04:17,800 --> 03:04:20,480 Speaker 1: we kind of really only decided to start researching in 3326 03:04:21,840 --> 03:04:26,120 Speaker 1: and those researchers started doing it because they listened to, uh, 3327 03:04:26,240 --> 03:04:34,120 Speaker 1: these stories from the Aboriginal people. So yeah, yeah, I 3328 03:04:34,160 --> 03:04:37,080 Speaker 1: feel like everyone should. I feel like everyone should be 3329 03:04:37,320 --> 03:04:43,640 Speaker 1: more okay with understanding why folklore exists and what propose 3330 03:04:43,680 --> 03:04:46,840 Speaker 1: it serves. This is this, This is something I got 3331 03:04:46,920 --> 03:04:51,959 Speaker 1: into years ago because of the because of the Lower podcast, 3332 03:04:52,160 --> 03:04:56,960 Speaker 1: learning about just how folklore influences culture and politics and 3333 03:04:56,959 --> 03:04:59,040 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of really interesting and weird ways, and 3334 03:04:59,600 --> 03:05:02,160 Speaker 1: that it's thing I wanted to talk about more because 3335 03:05:02,280 --> 03:05:05,400 Speaker 1: it's it's a thing, and folklore is different for us 3336 03:05:05,480 --> 03:05:08,039 Speaker 1: now in terms of how we have like a cultural stories, 3337 03:05:08,360 --> 03:05:10,360 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's still the same it's still the 3338 03:05:10,400 --> 03:05:12,240 Speaker 1: same purpose, and we just kind of deny it in 3339 03:05:12,280 --> 03:05:17,080 Speaker 1: a way that is kind of silly. Yep. Yeah, I 3340 03:05:17,160 --> 03:05:19,920 Speaker 1: think there's often this idea of there is a clear 3341 03:05:20,040 --> 03:05:24,360 Speaker 1: distinction between fact and folklore, and while it's true, like 3342 03:05:24,440 --> 03:05:29,720 Speaker 1: we can't necessarily just take folklore for at its exact word, 3343 03:05:29,879 --> 03:05:32,320 Speaker 1: because like it's sort of like a telephone game throughout 3344 03:05:32,400 --> 03:05:34,800 Speaker 1: years and years. Folklore is going to take on new 3345 03:05:34,920 --> 03:05:38,440 Speaker 1: shapes every generation. But we really should take it seriously 3346 03:05:38,600 --> 03:05:42,280 Speaker 1: as a part of very important data set of like 3347 03:05:42,400 --> 03:05:46,480 Speaker 1: this is human observational history. Maybe some of it has 3348 03:05:46,560 --> 03:05:50,720 Speaker 1: been sort of uh turned into myth, but a lot 3349 03:05:50,800 --> 03:05:55,000 Speaker 1: of it could be genuine observation that people are relaying 3350 03:05:55,080 --> 03:05:58,840 Speaker 1: over many, many generations, which I think is really important. Well, 3351 03:05:59,040 --> 03:06:04,959 Speaker 1: thank you Katie Golden for talking about those those very 3352 03:06:05,080 --> 03:06:08,320 Speaker 1: silly gonzo things that are unfortunately dropping dead at the 3353 03:06:08,360 --> 03:06:12,920 Speaker 1: little Gonzo climate change genocide, and then and then the 3354 03:06:13,000 --> 03:06:15,440 Speaker 1: other climate change issues are on in folklore. Um where 3355 03:06:15,560 --> 03:06:23,000 Speaker 1: where can people find you on the old internet in interwebs? Yeah, 3356 03:06:24,080 --> 03:06:27,520 Speaker 1: I got a podcast. I don't know if you've heard 3357 03:06:27,560 --> 03:06:30,920 Speaker 1: about those. Uh, it's called Creature Feature. And I talk 3358 03:06:30,959 --> 03:06:34,240 Speaker 1: about stuff like this all the time about animals. It's 3359 03:06:34,280 --> 03:06:37,640 Speaker 1: not always about animals dying in horrible ways, but sometimes 3360 03:06:37,720 --> 03:06:41,280 Speaker 1: it is a mix. You know, It's like sometimes animals 3361 03:06:41,800 --> 03:06:46,160 Speaker 1: being alive, sometimes animals being dead. Sometimes some animals making 3362 03:06:46,240 --> 03:06:51,600 Speaker 1: other animals dead and interesting animals. Yeah, you can never 3363 03:06:51,720 --> 03:06:55,360 Speaker 1: predict them. Uh. And you know, uh, you can find 3364 03:06:55,400 --> 03:06:57,680 Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Katie Golden. That's ka E T 3365 03:06:58,040 --> 03:07:01,040 Speaker 1: I E G O L D I. N Uh yeah 3366 03:07:01,200 --> 03:07:04,480 Speaker 1: where I just you know, just posted on the Twitter. 3367 03:07:05,920 --> 03:07:11,279 Speaker 1: Do you want to creature future? Find Katie on Twitter 3368 03:07:12,120 --> 03:07:37,680 Speaker 1: and uh shoplift. Sure it's it's spook all right. I 3369 03:07:37,800 --> 03:07:40,800 Speaker 1: didn't so if I'm done for the day, taking taking 3370 03:07:40,840 --> 03:07:48,920 Speaker 1: the rest off by apparently have a we sure do. Uh. 3371 03:07:49,120 --> 03:07:52,480 Speaker 1: So you know, normally this is a show about collapse, 3372 03:07:52,600 --> 03:07:55,080 Speaker 1: all that good stuff, YadA, YadA YadA, But fucking it's 3373 03:07:55,120 --> 03:07:57,879 Speaker 1: Halloween week, so we're we're we're we're we're making sure 3374 03:07:57,879 --> 03:07:59,280 Speaker 1: all of our stuff has a little bit of an 3375 03:07:59,320 --> 03:08:02,160 Speaker 1: extra spook you twist. It's like when you you make 3376 03:08:02,200 --> 03:08:05,120 Speaker 1: a martini and you decide to actually put vermouth inside it, 3377 03:08:05,200 --> 03:08:08,000 Speaker 1: as opposed to just kind of waving it nearby. That's 3378 03:08:08,000 --> 03:08:10,840 Speaker 1: what we're doing this week, with spookiness being the vermouth 3379 03:08:11,520 --> 03:08:18,800 Speaker 1: and mixing up our martini. Today is Margaret Killjoy, Margaret, Hello, Hello, 3380 03:08:19,000 --> 03:08:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm a famous mixologist, so clearly this will be very good. Now, 3381 03:08:23,080 --> 03:08:26,800 Speaker 1: Margaret today, for this very special episode of it could 3382 03:08:26,879 --> 03:08:31,040 Speaker 1: happen here on spooky Week. You have written us while 3383 03:08:31,080 --> 03:08:33,120 Speaker 1: you've written a short story, and you're going to read 3384 03:08:33,160 --> 03:08:36,480 Speaker 1: it and and and we're all gonna enjoy it. Is 3385 03:08:36,560 --> 03:08:40,320 Speaker 1: that is that accurate? Um? I hope at least I can. 3386 03:08:40,400 --> 03:08:42,440 Speaker 1: I can testify to the first parts, and I hope 3387 03:08:42,440 --> 03:08:46,120 Speaker 1: for the last part. Excellent. All right, Well, with without 3388 03:08:46,240 --> 03:08:49,800 Speaker 1: further ado or with minimal further ado, let's uh, let's 3389 03:08:49,879 --> 03:08:54,240 Speaker 1: let's let's you know, with the with the stuff, with stuff, Margaret, 3390 03:08:54,400 --> 03:08:56,640 Speaker 1: with this stuff. Well, this is great because this is 3391 03:08:56,680 --> 03:09:00,400 Speaker 1: actually a short story that you start reading of ship. Yeah, 3392 03:09:00,440 --> 03:09:03,400 Speaker 1: where's that link? You tasted it to me, but I 3393 03:09:03,440 --> 03:09:05,960 Speaker 1: don't have my phone on me. Okay, let me put 3394 03:09:06,000 --> 03:09:10,840 Speaker 1: it in the chat here um based impressive, to say 3395 03:09:10,920 --> 03:09:16,680 Speaker 1: the least, based in fiction, pilled Okay, I start reading 3396 03:09:16,720 --> 03:09:20,520 Speaker 1: the italics. Yeah, it's the first couple of paragraphs of introduction, 3397 03:09:20,640 --> 03:09:25,400 Speaker 1: and you're you're interviewing me, alright, motherfucker's let's get it started. 3398 03:09:26,440 --> 03:09:30,720 Speaker 1: The Northern Host, for all its lingering, horror and misery, 3399 03:09:30,840 --> 03:09:32,720 Speaker 1: the wake of a war is rich to reign for 3400 03:09:32,800 --> 03:09:37,359 Speaker 1: a folklorist like myself. More people report more supernatural experiences 3401 03:09:37,480 --> 03:09:40,160 Speaker 1: during times of war than times of peace. Some of 3402 03:09:40,240 --> 03:09:42,680 Speaker 1: my peers have argued the stress and shock of battle 3403 03:09:42,760 --> 03:09:46,640 Speaker 1: leaves our brains more susceptible to mass delusion. Others claim 3404 03:09:46,720 --> 03:09:49,600 Speaker 1: that the veil between worlds remains thin when so many 3405 03:09:49,680 --> 03:09:53,199 Speaker 1: are passing from life to death. The Second American Civil 3406 03:09:53,280 --> 03:09:57,360 Speaker 1: War has been no exception. Most famously, of course, soldiers 3407 03:09:57,440 --> 03:09:59,720 Speaker 1: from each of the three armies present at the fifteen 3408 03:09:59,800 --> 03:10:02,600 Speaker 1: day Siege of Saint Louis reported a wailing man who 3409 03:10:02,680 --> 03:10:06,000 Speaker 1: walked among the wounded, healing some and ending the lives 3410 03:10:06,040 --> 03:10:09,640 Speaker 1: of others. On the Cascadian Front, rebel forces spoke of 3411 03:10:09,760 --> 03:10:12,640 Speaker 1: black bears who in effect stood sentry for their guerrilla 3412 03:10:12,720 --> 03:10:16,440 Speaker 1: positions during the White Army's occupation of Washington, d C. 3413 03:10:17,000 --> 03:10:20,720 Speaker 1: Civilians and soldiers alike reported apparitions pouring out from the 3414 03:10:20,800 --> 03:10:24,760 Speaker 1: Pentagon Crater every New Moon. Of all the various myths 3415 03:10:24,840 --> 03:10:26,680 Speaker 1: and legends to spring up in the wake of the 3416 03:10:26,760 --> 03:10:30,600 Speaker 1: recent conflict, however, I find myself most strongly drawn to 3417 03:10:30,680 --> 03:10:33,520 Speaker 1: the stories of the Northern host. Never have I heard 3418 03:10:33,560 --> 03:10:36,160 Speaker 1: a myth recounted in such detail by such a wide 3419 03:10:36,240 --> 03:10:40,240 Speaker 1: variety of people. My favorite telling comes from Private Sarah 3420 03:10:40,280 --> 03:10:43,880 Speaker 1: Dollar in the Battle of Asheville. This interview was recorded 3421 03:10:43,879 --> 03:10:46,520 Speaker 1: in the spring of twenty thirty five and lightly edited 3422 03:10:46,600 --> 03:10:49,400 Speaker 1: for clarity with permission of the subject. Note that the 3423 03:10:49,440 --> 03:10:53,000 Speaker 1: subject refers to the White Army by pejoratives throughout. These 3424 03:10:53,080 --> 03:10:57,360 Speaker 1: have been left intact for the historical record. Could you 3425 03:10:57,520 --> 03:11:01,280 Speaker 1: introduce yourself and tell me what you saw. Yeah, My 3426 03:11:01,560 --> 03:11:03,840 Speaker 1: my name is Sarah Daher. I'm thirty one years old. 3427 03:11:04,080 --> 03:11:06,000 Speaker 1: I live in Asheville, in the Appalachian region of the 3428 03:11:06,080 --> 03:11:09,440 Speaker 1: United States of America, on stolen Cherokee land. My U 3429 03:11:09,560 --> 03:11:12,520 Speaker 1: S military rank was private. They made us all privates 3430 03:11:12,520 --> 03:11:15,320 Speaker 1: when they incorporated the irregulars into the army, But I 3431 03:11:15,400 --> 03:11:17,360 Speaker 1: only served in the Union to fight the White Army 3432 03:11:18,120 --> 03:11:20,480 Speaker 1: a year later. I'm one of those crazy radicals who 3433 03:11:20,520 --> 03:11:24,480 Speaker 1: doesn't think the reconfiguration goes far enough. I never fired 3434 03:11:24,520 --> 03:11:26,240 Speaker 1: a gun in my life before the Irregulars, and I 3435 03:11:26,360 --> 03:11:29,400 Speaker 1: hope I never fire another one again. By temperament, I'm 3436 03:11:29,440 --> 03:11:32,360 Speaker 1: neither a lover nor a fighter, just your average trans 3437 03:11:32,440 --> 03:11:35,840 Speaker 1: girl who likes cats and hates Nazis. I fought in 3438 03:11:35,920 --> 03:11:40,080 Speaker 1: three engagements in Weaverville, Leicester, and Asheville. I think I 3439 03:11:40,200 --> 03:11:43,200 Speaker 1: killed two people. One of them I know I killed him. 3440 03:11:43,240 --> 03:11:45,400 Speaker 1: I saw him bleed out and I saw him taken 3441 03:11:45,440 --> 03:11:48,080 Speaker 1: away in a black bag. The other person was a 3442 03:11:48,120 --> 03:11:50,560 Speaker 1: man I shot in the thigh during the Battle of Asheville. 3443 03:11:51,280 --> 03:11:53,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know you could die from a bullet in 3444 03:11:53,400 --> 03:11:55,160 Speaker 1: the thigh, but I've spent a lot of time looking 3445 03:11:55,200 --> 03:11:58,119 Speaker 1: at casualty records, and someone who fit that man's general 3446 03:11:58,160 --> 03:12:00,760 Speaker 1: description died in that battle. From all it to the thigh. 3447 03:12:01,879 --> 03:12:07,240 Speaker 1: Does that bother you? Yes? No, I don't know. I 3448 03:12:07,280 --> 03:12:09,360 Speaker 1: don't lose sleep over it, but I think about it 3449 03:12:09,440 --> 03:12:11,800 Speaker 1: a lot. I look at the docks on both of them. 3450 03:12:11,959 --> 03:12:14,320 Speaker 1: The first guy was a true believer, a real blood 3451 03:12:14,400 --> 03:12:17,080 Speaker 1: and soil type, It doesn't bother me that I mingled 3452 03:12:17,120 --> 03:12:20,560 Speaker 1: those two things for him. The second man, though, I'm 3453 03:12:20,600 --> 03:12:23,400 Speaker 1: not so sure he signed up because his son signed up. 3454 03:12:23,879 --> 03:12:25,720 Speaker 1: I don't have any kids myself, but I could see 3455 03:12:25,760 --> 03:12:29,720 Speaker 1: myself doing that. His son survived the war. Have you 3456 03:12:29,840 --> 03:12:32,800 Speaker 1: been in contact with his son now? Funk That guy 3457 03:12:32,920 --> 03:12:34,520 Speaker 1: that kids a fucking Nazi, and I don't know how 3458 03:12:34,520 --> 03:12:37,600 Speaker 1: he talked his way out of the tribunals. Can you 3459 03:12:37,720 --> 03:12:40,000 Speaker 1: tell me what you saw at the Battle of Asheville. 3460 03:12:41,560 --> 03:12:44,280 Speaker 1: This was during the Fascist Spring Offensive last year, you know, 3461 03:12:44,560 --> 03:12:48,200 Speaker 1: Hitler's birthday April. By that point, the White Army was 3462 03:12:48,200 --> 03:12:50,400 Speaker 1: pretty much done, but they weren't about to go down 3463 03:12:50,480 --> 03:12:53,720 Speaker 1: without doing some major symbolic damage. So there were about 3464 03:12:53,760 --> 03:12:56,560 Speaker 1: forty of us, all irregulars, with our own commanders, no 3465 03:12:56,760 --> 03:12:59,960 Speaker 1: army oversight. Morale was down. We felt pretty a band 3466 03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:03,160 Speaker 1: and common sentiment in the South. I was on the 3467 03:13:03,240 --> 03:13:06,600 Speaker 1: street out in front of the library, walking rounds. Downtown 3468 03:13:06,720 --> 03:13:09,840 Speaker 1: was half rubble at that point. Only the library was standing, 3469 03:13:09,920 --> 03:13:13,000 Speaker 1: because symbols matter and all that bullshit. So that's where 3470 03:13:13,040 --> 03:13:16,880 Speaker 1: we were making a stand. Neither side had artillery really 3471 03:13:16,920 --> 03:13:19,600 Speaker 1: by that point, the brass had just commandeered even our 3472 03:13:19,680 --> 03:13:23,160 Speaker 1: RPGs for the quote real fight. Air support wasn't coming, 3473 03:13:23,240 --> 03:13:25,920 Speaker 1: not for them and not for us. Really, the Battle 3474 03:13:26,000 --> 03:13:28,240 Speaker 1: of Ashville was was like nothing to the rest of 3475 03:13:28,320 --> 03:13:31,720 Speaker 1: the world, and we knew it. So I was doing 3476 03:13:31,760 --> 03:13:34,440 Speaker 1: the rounds, thinking about my ship luck, thinking maybe I 3477 03:13:34,520 --> 03:13:36,440 Speaker 1: was going to die, and how so many people had died, 3478 03:13:36,480 --> 03:13:38,560 Speaker 1: and what's another dead girl to add to the pile. 3479 03:13:39,240 --> 03:13:41,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking about how at least this dead girl 3480 03:13:41,120 --> 03:13:43,680 Speaker 1: is going to die surrounded by or in defense of books. 3481 03:13:44,920 --> 03:13:47,240 Speaker 1: And then I heard dogs from around the side of 3482 03:13:47,280 --> 03:13:50,320 Speaker 1: the building. One barked loud and near, the other sort 3483 03:13:50,360 --> 03:13:53,360 Speaker 1: of distant and echoy. I went to check it out, 3484 03:13:53,480 --> 03:13:56,680 Speaker 1: turned the corner and there was this naked guy. He 3485 03:13:56,800 --> 03:13:59,480 Speaker 1: was pale as hell, tall, tattooed and scarred, and like 3486 03:13:59,560 --> 03:14:02,520 Speaker 1: I said, was naked as the sun. I stared at him, 3487 03:14:03,080 --> 03:14:05,720 Speaker 1: he stared at me. I got so distracted trying to 3488 03:14:05,760 --> 03:14:07,200 Speaker 1: figure him out that it took me a moment to 3489 03:14:07,240 --> 03:14:09,959 Speaker 1: realize there were nine others behind him, or maybe they 3490 03:14:10,000 --> 03:14:13,280 Speaker 1: weren't there at first, I don't know. Most of them 3491 03:14:13,320 --> 03:14:16,400 Speaker 1: were men, mostly of the tall Norse looking variety, but 3492 03:14:16,440 --> 03:14:19,240 Speaker 1: there was a Middle Eastern man and three women, including 3493 03:14:19,320 --> 03:14:22,800 Speaker 1: one who by my read was Latin X no dogs 3494 03:14:22,840 --> 03:14:25,520 Speaker 1: anywhere that I could see. The man closest to me 3495 03:14:25,640 --> 03:14:27,520 Speaker 1: he asked me something in the language I didn't know. 3496 03:14:28,240 --> 03:14:30,840 Speaker 1: I just kind of stared. He asked me another question 3497 03:14:30,959 --> 03:14:36,039 Speaker 1: in another language. What I asked? Who are you? Who 3498 03:14:36,120 --> 03:14:38,880 Speaker 1: are we fighting? He asked? His accent was thick, and 3499 03:14:38,920 --> 03:14:41,080 Speaker 1: I couldn't place it for the life of me. I mean, 3500 03:14:41,200 --> 03:14:43,480 Speaker 1: I know now, but I sure ship didn't know it 3501 03:14:43,560 --> 03:14:47,280 Speaker 1: then we. I asked what I was due back out front, 3502 03:14:47,320 --> 03:14:49,040 Speaker 1: because I was a century doing the rounds and this 3503 03:14:49,360 --> 03:14:51,640 Speaker 1: sure needed reporting. But what the hell was I going 3504 03:14:51,680 --> 03:14:55,280 Speaker 1: to tell? People? Who are we fighting? Where are we? 3505 03:14:56,320 --> 03:15:00,560 Speaker 1: You're in Asheville? Who are you? Ah? The American conflict, 3506 03:15:00,600 --> 03:15:04,480 Speaker 1: the man said behind him. Others nodded. Their movements were sloppy, 3507 03:15:04,680 --> 03:15:08,280 Speaker 1: dream like they were drunk. I later realized one of 3508 03:15:08,320 --> 03:15:10,600 Speaker 1: them had dried blood running down from her lip onto 3509 03:15:10,640 --> 03:15:14,280 Speaker 1: her not in substantial belly. You're fighting the nationalists, the 3510 03:15:14,360 --> 03:15:18,120 Speaker 1: first one said, We're here to help you. Who are you, 3511 03:15:18,360 --> 03:15:22,080 Speaker 1: I asked this third time. He actually answered, My name 3512 03:15:22,160 --> 03:15:24,320 Speaker 1: is Bell Gear. We are the dead. We are the 3513 03:15:24,360 --> 03:15:27,800 Speaker 1: inn here from Valhalla. Every day we are sent to 3514 03:15:27,840 --> 03:15:31,440 Speaker 1: a battle to fight, and we die. The others behind 3515 03:15:31,560 --> 03:15:36,600 Speaker 1: him nodded, definitely drunk. Now, I know there were good 3516 03:15:36,680 --> 03:15:38,880 Speaker 1: folks on our side who were into European paganism, but 3517 03:15:38,959 --> 03:15:40,480 Speaker 1: you have to understand that a lot more of the 3518 03:15:40,520 --> 03:15:43,400 Speaker 1: fashion were into that ship than anybody else. If they 3519 03:15:43,600 --> 03:15:46,160 Speaker 1: hadn't been naked and drunk, I might have mistaken them 3520 03:15:46,200 --> 03:15:50,320 Speaker 1: for the enemy and shot them Valhalla, I said, reciting 3521 03:15:50,360 --> 03:15:53,520 Speaker 1: the tiny bit. I knew that's where Vikings go if 3522 03:15:53,560 --> 03:15:56,520 Speaker 1: they die in battle, feast every day and fight every 3523 03:15:56,640 --> 03:15:59,520 Speaker 1: night in Odin's hall until the end of the world, 3524 03:15:59,560 --> 03:16:02,720 Speaker 1: where you also fight and die but wolf feeds the 3525 03:16:02,760 --> 03:16:07,400 Speaker 1: sun or something close enough. Belgar said. I mean, Odin 3526 03:16:07,520 --> 03:16:09,720 Speaker 1: only gets half the battle dead, and Viking isn't a 3527 03:16:09,760 --> 03:16:13,600 Speaker 1: good name for us. But sure, and you're here because 3528 03:16:14,440 --> 03:16:16,960 Speaker 1: we are to take arms alongside you, fight your enemies 3529 03:16:17,120 --> 03:16:21,560 Speaker 1: and die today, and are going to die today. Only 3530 03:16:21,640 --> 03:16:25,320 Speaker 1: the seers and the gods know that. I've been calling 3531 03:16:25,400 --> 03:16:27,280 Speaker 1: myself a witch half of my life, but honestly that 3532 03:16:27,360 --> 03:16:29,959 Speaker 1: was mostly because I like taro and astrology and panagrams 3533 03:16:30,000 --> 03:16:32,640 Speaker 1: and ship I've never been someone who took the supernatural 3534 03:16:32,720 --> 03:16:35,480 Speaker 1: all that seriously. But nothing in the world made sense 3535 03:16:35,520 --> 03:16:38,200 Speaker 1: like it used to. Fascists had just been driven out 3536 03:16:38,200 --> 03:16:40,640 Speaker 1: of d C. Cascadia had not only succeeded, but was 3537 03:16:40,720 --> 03:16:43,200 Speaker 1: in a civil war of its own. Now Mexico was 3538 03:16:43,280 --> 03:16:45,680 Speaker 1: gone and replaced by self governing states of almost every 3539 03:16:45,720 --> 03:16:49,040 Speaker 1: stripe in the political rainbow. China had backed white supremacists 3540 03:16:49,040 --> 03:16:51,800 Speaker 1: and other nationalist types in an American civil war, and 3541 03:16:52,040 --> 03:16:55,360 Speaker 1: antigovernment leftists were fighting alongside weirdos like me in the 3542 03:16:55,480 --> 03:16:58,600 Speaker 1: damn u s Army. I can't say those things were 3543 03:16:58,840 --> 03:17:01,560 Speaker 1: as weird as naked dead don't call us vikings talking 3544 03:17:01,600 --> 03:17:04,000 Speaker 1: to me in the street. But somehow all of that 3545 03:17:04,120 --> 03:17:08,240 Speaker 1: was just comparably bizarre. Come let us arm ourselves and 3546 03:17:08,320 --> 03:17:11,640 Speaker 1: fight together. You and I belger said. So that's how 3547 03:17:11,680 --> 03:17:14,040 Speaker 1: I met the Northern host. Most people don't believe me, 3548 03:17:14,120 --> 03:17:16,119 Speaker 1: assume it was just some kind of drunk wing nuts, 3549 03:17:16,480 --> 03:17:19,200 Speaker 1: maybe some irregulars I've never met before. But I saw 3550 03:17:19,320 --> 03:17:21,360 Speaker 1: what I saw, and I believe it. The rest of 3551 03:17:21,440 --> 03:17:25,000 Speaker 1: us who survived they saw it too. And how did 3552 03:17:25,080 --> 03:17:28,760 Speaker 1: it go? Yeah, pardon the battle? How did it go? 3553 03:17:30,120 --> 03:17:32,400 Speaker 1: We got the iron here yard into irregular's garb and 3554 03:17:32,520 --> 03:17:35,039 Speaker 1: armed them. There were plenty of guns at that point 3555 03:17:35,520 --> 03:17:39,560 Speaker 1: in the forgotten hellhole up front, Bullets not so much, 3556 03:17:39,680 --> 03:17:42,960 Speaker 1: but plenty of guns. They were all comfortable with firearms. 3557 03:17:43,000 --> 03:17:44,960 Speaker 1: The one fellow groused about what he wouldn't do for 3558 03:17:45,000 --> 03:17:47,720 Speaker 1: an axe and shield, and another said what we had 3559 03:17:47,879 --> 03:17:50,480 Speaker 1: was fine, but monofilament web guns were better than any 3560 03:17:50,520 --> 03:17:53,840 Speaker 1: combat shotgun. To hear them, tell it, funk it. Why 3561 03:17:53,840 --> 03:17:56,000 Speaker 1: am I pretending like I don't believe them. I believe 3562 03:17:56,040 --> 03:17:57,560 Speaker 1: them with every bit of my soul, and damn what 3563 03:17:57,680 --> 03:17:59,480 Speaker 1: people think of me for it. The Northern Host fight 3564 03:17:59,600 --> 03:18:01,880 Speaker 1: every night, and every night they are at a different 3565 03:18:01,920 --> 03:18:04,600 Speaker 1: time and place. Most battles in human history were in 3566 03:18:04,640 --> 03:18:08,000 Speaker 1: the past, they said, which sounds optimistic, doesn't it. But 3567 03:18:08,080 --> 03:18:09,760 Speaker 1: they said they fought in every century up to the 3568 03:18:11,320 --> 03:18:16,080 Speaker 1: Nothing happens after the century Ragnarok, most likely the end 3569 03:18:16,080 --> 03:18:17,800 Speaker 1: of the world, wolves eating the sun and the moon. 3570 03:18:17,920 --> 03:18:21,800 Speaker 1: All that. They stood guard out with me out front. 3571 03:18:22,280 --> 03:18:24,920 Speaker 1: Around midday we got hit with an e MP. We 3572 03:18:25,040 --> 03:18:27,000 Speaker 1: knew that was coming. It didn't screw us up much. 3573 03:18:27,080 --> 03:18:29,560 Speaker 1: We had a hardened phone in the basement, and all 3574 03:18:29,600 --> 03:18:31,760 Speaker 1: our weapons operated just as well, and dumb mode a 3575 03:18:31,840 --> 03:18:35,840 Speaker 1: smart mode, including our own e MPs. The White army 3576 03:18:35,879 --> 03:18:38,800 Speaker 1: showed up, maybe a hundred men, all men. That's their 3577 03:18:38,800 --> 03:18:41,080 Speaker 1: whole stick. They came in on motorcycles and a t 3578 03:18:41,160 --> 03:18:44,640 Speaker 1: v s and horses. More stick. Like a fucking folksy 3579 03:18:44,720 --> 03:18:46,880 Speaker 1: they are. We hit them with the m e mp 3580 03:18:47,040 --> 03:18:48,920 Speaker 1: s anyway, level the field, took out the A t 3581 03:18:49,040 --> 03:18:52,480 Speaker 1: v s. The bikes were retrofitted, no electric and a horse. 3582 03:18:52,640 --> 03:18:55,600 Speaker 1: You can't impel horse. I don't know if there was 3583 03:18:55,640 --> 03:18:57,680 Speaker 1: a skirmish in that war that didn't start with both 3584 03:18:57,720 --> 03:19:00,280 Speaker 1: sides ritually knocking the other one back to Basely the 3585 03:19:00,320 --> 03:19:03,360 Speaker 1: twentieth century, I think the tactical E m P is 3586 03:19:03,400 --> 03:19:06,640 Speaker 1: the reason there's anything left of this country. We took 3587 03:19:06,680 --> 03:19:08,520 Speaker 1: a few pot shots while they were still at range, 3588 03:19:08,560 --> 03:19:10,640 Speaker 1: but we didn't have the AMMO to waste on anything else. 3589 03:19:11,120 --> 03:19:13,920 Speaker 1: I don't think we did any damage. They took up 3590 03:19:13,959 --> 03:19:15,840 Speaker 1: position further up the hill and the ruins of the 3591 03:19:15,879 --> 03:19:20,760 Speaker 1: old Basilica. Then we waited. We should have mined the church. 3592 03:19:21,480 --> 03:19:23,600 Speaker 1: That old thing was blown half to ship. Anyway, it 3593 03:19:23,600 --> 03:19:25,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't have made the world any worse if we'd either 3594 03:19:25,640 --> 03:19:29,560 Speaker 1: leveled it or hidden explosives throughout. But you know, ethical 3595 03:19:29,720 --> 03:19:33,320 Speaker 1: war or whatever, don't mind churches. The other side leveled 3596 03:19:33,360 --> 03:19:36,360 Speaker 1: every mosques, synagogue and quote heretic church they got their 3597 03:19:36,360 --> 03:19:39,080 Speaker 1: hands on, not to mention libraries and universities and even 3598 03:19:39,080 --> 03:19:42,320 Speaker 1: the goddamn Statue of Liberty because they had immigrants. But 3599 03:19:42,480 --> 03:19:44,840 Speaker 1: we were supposed to be fighting a quote ethical war. 3600 03:19:45,600 --> 03:19:48,640 Speaker 1: Those two words don't got nothing to do with one another, 3601 03:19:48,800 --> 03:19:51,680 Speaker 1: and everyone knows it. So they hold up in the 3602 03:19:51,720 --> 03:19:53,840 Speaker 1: basilica and we pulled back into the library and we 3603 03:19:53,920 --> 03:19:56,400 Speaker 1: had one of those good old fashioned standoffs where people 3604 03:19:56,480 --> 03:20:00,680 Speaker 1: die slowly from sniper fire and everything is awful. That's 3605 03:20:00,720 --> 03:20:03,440 Speaker 1: when Laura got shot right in the head because we 3606 03:20:03,520 --> 03:20:05,640 Speaker 1: missed a spot when we bullet proof of the facade. 3607 03:20:06,240 --> 03:20:09,640 Speaker 1: She's dead. She had natural red hair, but she always 3608 03:20:09,680 --> 03:20:12,040 Speaker 1: died at redder and her favorite show was Buffy the 3609 03:20:12,120 --> 03:20:14,320 Speaker 1: Vampire Slayer, and she liked to drink water out of 3610 03:20:14,360 --> 03:20:18,600 Speaker 1: long stem glasses. She was I think she was thirty seven, 3611 03:20:19,200 --> 03:20:24,280 Speaker 1: way past rafting age. She volunteered. It was her first engagement. 3612 03:20:24,879 --> 03:20:27,960 Speaker 1: She was only there because she loved books, had plenty 3613 03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:30,000 Speaker 1: of time to avoid looking at her corpse while she 3614 03:20:30,120 --> 03:20:32,920 Speaker 1: was in there with us. Dead. Dwight was another one 3615 03:20:32,920 --> 03:20:35,080 Speaker 1: of my friends in the unit. One of my favorite people, 3616 03:20:35,160 --> 03:20:37,760 Speaker 1: hands down, total weirdo, and he was all obsessed with 3617 03:20:37,840 --> 03:20:40,720 Speaker 1: that Viking ship in Dark Ages in general. Both his 3618 03:20:40,800 --> 03:20:42,920 Speaker 1: parents had come over from Sweden, though his dad was 3619 03:20:43,000 --> 03:20:46,560 Speaker 1: originally from Nigeria. Dwight had one degree in medieval studies 3620 03:20:46,560 --> 03:20:48,800 Speaker 1: in another in African history, and I I can't tell 3621 03:20:48,840 --> 03:20:51,040 Speaker 1: you how many times during basic he'd run down the 3622 03:20:51,080 --> 03:20:53,960 Speaker 1: details of this or that ancient battle, whether in Europe 3623 03:20:54,040 --> 03:20:56,800 Speaker 1: or Africa. If there were guns involved, he didn't care 3624 03:20:56,840 --> 03:20:58,560 Speaker 1: about it, but if there were swords in armor or 3625 03:20:58,640 --> 03:21:02,080 Speaker 1: spears and shields, he was all in. He started talking 3626 03:21:02,120 --> 03:21:04,600 Speaker 1: to the Vikings. First thing. He was the first person 3627 03:21:04,680 --> 03:21:07,360 Speaker 1: to believe them, to to really believe them, and his 3628 03:21:07,440 --> 03:21:10,600 Speaker 1: faith was contagious. While we were pinned down, he asked 3629 03:21:10,640 --> 03:21:15,160 Speaker 1: them everything. Mostly they were quiet, even taciturn, But there 3630 03:21:15,240 --> 03:21:17,960 Speaker 1: was one thing they were very insistent on, and that 3631 03:21:18,280 --> 03:21:22,080 Speaker 1: I overheard them talking about Nazis. Don't go to Valhalla. 3632 03:21:22,959 --> 03:21:25,680 Speaker 1: But why not? Dwight asked, It takes two things to 3633 03:21:25,720 --> 03:21:28,520 Speaker 1: go to Valhalla. The spokesperson said, you have to die 3634 03:21:28,560 --> 03:21:31,360 Speaker 1: in battle and you have to venerate Odin. A bunch 3635 03:21:31,400 --> 03:21:34,440 Speaker 1: of those fuckers are oldness, he said, no, they aren't 3636 03:21:34,920 --> 03:21:38,040 Speaker 1: their nationalist, fascist, racial separatists. They're all kinds of things, 3637 03:21:38,400 --> 03:21:41,640 Speaker 1: but they don't venerate Odin. Whatever they think, What do 3638 03:21:41,720 --> 03:21:44,640 Speaker 1: you mean? They only know one half of Odin. They 3639 03:21:44,680 --> 03:21:48,520 Speaker 1: know the masculine side, the heterosexual side, the Christian side. 3640 03:21:48,920 --> 03:21:52,000 Speaker 1: They worship a bastardization of our God, a bastardization first 3641 03:21:52,080 --> 03:21:55,440 Speaker 1: created by a nationalist Christian eight hundred years ago that's 3642 03:21:55,480 --> 03:21:59,480 Speaker 1: only gotten further afield since our Odin practices women's magic, 3643 03:21:59,560 --> 03:22:03,720 Speaker 1: the magic of these sexually penetrated. We also worshiped female 3644 03:22:03,760 --> 03:22:05,720 Speaker 1: gods of war, and male gods of the hearth, and 3645 03:22:05,800 --> 03:22:08,920 Speaker 1: gods who change their gender when they're board. Nazis don't 3646 03:22:09,000 --> 03:22:13,120 Speaker 1: understand that any of it. In life, we raided, sometimes traded, 3647 03:22:13,200 --> 03:22:15,680 Speaker 1: other times. We also did all sorts of things that 3648 03:22:15,720 --> 03:22:19,360 Speaker 1: won't fit your modern sensibilities, things that were I alive 3649 03:22:19,520 --> 03:22:22,360 Speaker 1: you might kill me for. But we're not Nazis, and 3650 03:22:22,440 --> 03:22:25,119 Speaker 1: people who worship a Christian version of our God most 3651 03:22:25,160 --> 03:22:29,240 Speaker 1: certainly do not go to Valhalla. It was as if 3652 03:22:29,280 --> 03:22:31,360 Speaker 1: the man had used up every word allotted to him 3653 03:22:31,360 --> 03:22:33,520 Speaker 1: for the day, because I don't believe a one of 3654 03:22:33,600 --> 03:22:37,120 Speaker 1: them spoke again before the battle began In earnest and 3655 03:22:37,280 --> 03:22:41,720 Speaker 1: how long was that another hour? Maybe the sun was 3656 03:22:41,800 --> 03:22:45,080 Speaker 1: still right overhead when the White Army rushed us. It 3657 03:22:45,200 --> 03:22:48,400 Speaker 1: was a bullshit move, rushing us one part over confidence 3658 03:22:48,400 --> 03:22:51,480 Speaker 1: in one part desperation. If you can imagine that they 3659 03:22:51,560 --> 03:22:53,760 Speaker 1: knew they were losing the war at that point, but 3660 03:22:53,840 --> 03:22:55,800 Speaker 1: they had us more than two to one, and we 3661 03:22:55,920 --> 03:22:58,680 Speaker 1: all know that KKK commanders don't give two ships about 3662 03:22:58,680 --> 03:23:01,240 Speaker 1: the lives of their men. That's when I put a 3663 03:23:01,280 --> 03:23:03,720 Speaker 1: bullet on a man's leg while he was in the 3664 03:23:03,840 --> 03:23:07,000 Speaker 1: street running. It was a good shot. He was running, 3665 03:23:07,240 --> 03:23:09,800 Speaker 1: and I led the target. In everything, I've been aiming 3666 03:23:09,879 --> 03:23:12,600 Speaker 1: for center body mass, but but still at least a 3667 03:23:12,680 --> 03:23:15,040 Speaker 1: hundred yards against a moving target. I was proud of 3668 03:23:15,120 --> 03:23:17,640 Speaker 1: that shot at the time, on a technical level, even 3669 03:23:17,680 --> 03:23:19,360 Speaker 1: if I'm not sure i'm proud of it any more 3670 03:23:19,520 --> 03:23:22,959 Speaker 1: now that I know the man's name. We expected the charge. 3671 03:23:23,320 --> 03:23:25,560 Speaker 1: What we didn't expect was the ordinance that knocked the 3672 03:23:25,640 --> 03:23:28,960 Speaker 1: reinforced front off its hinges. But that happened, and almost 3673 03:23:28,959 --> 03:23:30,959 Speaker 1: all the fighting happened right there on the first floor, 3674 03:23:31,040 --> 03:23:33,800 Speaker 1: among the empty shelves. The whole thing felt like it 3675 03:23:33,920 --> 03:23:37,200 Speaker 1: lasted half an hour. I've looked it up, since from 3676 03:23:37,240 --> 03:23:38,880 Speaker 1: the time of the first blast of the time the 3677 03:23:38,959 --> 03:23:41,800 Speaker 1: last shot was fired, we're talking about three minutes and 3678 03:23:41,879 --> 03:23:45,520 Speaker 1: twelve seconds. We thought they were going to pour in 3679 03:23:45,640 --> 03:23:47,600 Speaker 1: through the door after they blew at the funk off. 3680 03:23:48,000 --> 03:23:50,439 Speaker 1: So James got in there with our one functioning automatic 3681 03:23:50,480 --> 03:23:52,039 Speaker 1: and he took at least ten of the fash down 3682 03:23:52,120 --> 03:23:54,840 Speaker 1: with him before someone got him in the neck. It 3683 03:23:55,000 --> 03:23:56,480 Speaker 1: was a faint and they blew a hole in the 3684 03:23:56,520 --> 03:23:58,880 Speaker 1: side of the building. Well, well that was going on, 3685 03:23:59,080 --> 03:24:01,680 Speaker 1: and that's where they got in close quarters combat as 3686 03:24:01,680 --> 03:24:04,800 Speaker 1: a whole different beast, a worse one, maybe maybe a 3687 03:24:04,879 --> 03:24:07,800 Speaker 1: better one. I go back on fourth on that. Sometimes 3688 03:24:07,840 --> 03:24:10,480 Speaker 1: instead of sleeping, I think about the pros and cons 3689 03:24:10,560 --> 03:24:13,200 Speaker 1: of various types of absolute horror. Is it better to 3690 03:24:13,240 --> 03:24:15,320 Speaker 1: see your death coming or to get picked off without 3691 03:24:15,400 --> 03:24:18,240 Speaker 1: knowing it? I would have thought the Vikings would expend 3692 03:24:18,280 --> 03:24:22,320 Speaker 1: themselves right off. I mean Vikings. They were starting to 3693 03:24:22,360 --> 03:24:25,040 Speaker 1: sober up by that point, but still they'd been drinking 3694 03:24:25,560 --> 03:24:27,880 Speaker 1: and they were already dead, and they were doomed to die. 3695 03:24:28,520 --> 03:24:31,440 Speaker 1: But they were smarter than that, never risked themselves unnecessarily. 3696 03:24:32,360 --> 03:24:34,680 Speaker 1: Your next assumption of a comrade, you know, is doomed 3697 03:24:34,760 --> 03:24:37,760 Speaker 1: is that they'll sacrifice themselves to save others. None of 3698 03:24:37,800 --> 03:24:40,480 Speaker 1: that either. They knew they were the best trained soldiers 3699 03:24:40,560 --> 03:24:42,920 Speaker 1: on the field and that in order for us to win, 3700 03:24:43,360 --> 03:24:44,760 Speaker 1: they had to be in the fight as long as 3701 03:24:44,800 --> 03:24:48,240 Speaker 1: they could. They were smart like that. Assholes like that. 3702 03:24:49,080 --> 03:24:52,000 Speaker 1: I stationed myself in the back. I fancy myself more 3703 03:24:52,040 --> 03:24:54,440 Speaker 1: of a sniper than the assault sort, so I watched 3704 03:24:54,480 --> 03:24:57,119 Speaker 1: the whole thing go down. I also only hit three 3705 03:24:57,200 --> 03:24:59,760 Speaker 1: targets out of a hundred and seventeen bullets I fired. 3706 03:25:00,280 --> 03:25:03,879 Speaker 1: But that's another story. I watched us when we took 3707 03:25:03,920 --> 03:25:06,560 Speaker 1: casualties of fifty percent. Half of those were k Ia, 3708 03:25:07,440 --> 03:25:10,240 Speaker 1: but we defeated a force twice our strength. I watched 3709 03:25:10,280 --> 03:25:12,840 Speaker 1: the eye hangar but bayin at men and shoot them. 3710 03:25:13,200 --> 03:25:14,920 Speaker 1: And I saw one of the Viking women break a 3711 03:25:14,959 --> 03:25:18,440 Speaker 1: man's face apart with her fists. Soon after, a bullet 3712 03:25:18,480 --> 03:25:20,400 Speaker 1: found her heart and she collapsed with a smile on 3713 03:25:20,520 --> 03:25:25,160 Speaker 1: her lips. She disappeared like literally she fazed out of existence. 3714 03:25:25,240 --> 03:25:28,080 Speaker 1: Being me up, Scotty. We pushed them back on to 3715 03:25:28,160 --> 03:25:30,480 Speaker 1: the pavement. And when I say we, I'm honestly not 3716 03:25:30,600 --> 03:25:32,480 Speaker 1: being fair because I didn't do much of it myself. 3717 03:25:33,160 --> 03:25:36,959 Speaker 1: We had them scattered and running, most of them. Dwight 3718 03:25:37,120 --> 03:25:39,160 Speaker 1: was out there, waving a pistol in one hand and 3719 03:25:39,320 --> 03:25:42,080 Speaker 1: swinging a wooden stock rifle like a club in the other. 3720 03:25:42,640 --> 03:25:45,160 Speaker 1: A Viking with a shot gun stood beside him. I 3721 03:25:45,280 --> 03:25:47,880 Speaker 1: think the same fashy little ship killed them both, maybe 3722 03:25:47,920 --> 03:25:50,840 Speaker 1: in the same three round burst. I tagged the fasci 3723 03:25:50,920 --> 03:25:52,800 Speaker 1: in his belly, and his friends helped him get away, 3724 03:25:52,840 --> 03:25:56,800 Speaker 1: and the remaining Nazis ran. He survived his wound. Why 3725 03:25:56,840 --> 03:25:59,119 Speaker 1: do we have so much information about the war? Does 3726 03:25:59,160 --> 03:26:01,040 Speaker 1: it do me any good to know who I killed 3727 03:26:01,120 --> 03:26:05,840 Speaker 1: and who I didn't? And Dwight. Dwight lay alone in 3728 03:26:05,879 --> 03:26:09,040 Speaker 1: the concrete, face down. There wasn't much blood, but he 3729 03:26:09,160 --> 03:26:12,440 Speaker 1: was dead. Two ravens sat atop him, one on each shoulder. 3730 03:26:12,959 --> 03:26:15,039 Speaker 1: I've never seen a raven in Nashville in my life, 3731 03:26:15,120 --> 03:26:18,360 Speaker 1: not before, not since. There were two of them, as 3732 03:26:18,400 --> 03:26:21,400 Speaker 1: big as people say those things are. They barked and 3733 03:26:21,480 --> 03:26:24,960 Speaker 1: they sounded like dogs. One was loud, like it was 3734 03:26:25,080 --> 03:26:28,480 Speaker 1: right where I was. The other was distant, echoing. Then 3735 03:26:28,520 --> 03:26:31,440 Speaker 1: they flew away, directly up and towards the sun, and 3736 03:26:31,520 --> 03:26:33,320 Speaker 1: I tried to watch to see where they went. But 3737 03:26:33,400 --> 03:26:36,040 Speaker 1: you can't look directly at the sun like that. I 3738 03:26:36,120 --> 03:26:39,400 Speaker 1: looked back down and Dwight was gone. Okay, so his 3739 03:26:39,480 --> 03:26:41,959 Speaker 1: body was still there, but there was there was something 3740 03:26:42,040 --> 03:26:43,720 Speaker 1: about him that was gone, and I don't know how 3741 03:26:43,760 --> 03:26:46,520 Speaker 1: to tell you what it was. That that was that 3742 03:26:47,200 --> 03:26:50,520 Speaker 1: we won sort of. They didn't storm the library, which 3743 03:26:50,560 --> 03:26:53,560 Speaker 1: I guess means we won. But sometimes I think I'd 3744 03:26:53,600 --> 03:26:55,560 Speaker 1: burn every single book in that place. It would bring 3745 03:26:55,600 --> 03:26:57,320 Speaker 1: back Lord or Dwight or any of the rest of 3746 03:26:57,360 --> 03:27:00,040 Speaker 1: my friends. The war was over at that point, and 3747 03:27:00,120 --> 03:27:02,040 Speaker 1: even if we didn't know it yet. So what did 3748 03:27:02,080 --> 03:27:05,760 Speaker 1: they die for? I guess for symbols. Maybe symbols matter 3749 03:27:05,920 --> 03:27:10,160 Speaker 1: that much. I don't know. I deserted after that. Half 3750 03:27:10,240 --> 03:27:12,280 Speaker 1: the survivors of the Battle of Asheville died less than 3751 03:27:12,320 --> 03:27:14,959 Speaker 1: a week later up in Pittsburgh, and I suppose I'd 3752 03:27:15,000 --> 03:27:17,320 Speaker 1: be dead if I had gone, And it probably makes 3753 03:27:17,320 --> 03:27:19,720 Speaker 1: me a coward that I didn't. It's not that I 3754 03:27:19,800 --> 03:27:22,280 Speaker 1: was afraid of dying. It's that I was afraid of 3755 03:27:22,400 --> 03:27:26,240 Speaker 1: dying in battle because I believe in Odin. Now, it's 3756 03:27:26,280 --> 03:27:28,480 Speaker 1: hard not to believe in a god without venerating him. 3757 03:27:29,160 --> 03:27:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Valhalla. I don't want 3758 03:27:31,600 --> 03:27:34,760 Speaker 1: to fight ever again, let alone every night. I don't 3759 03:27:34,760 --> 03:27:36,200 Speaker 1: want to serve with the iron and yard at the 3760 03:27:36,240 --> 03:27:38,680 Speaker 1: Twilight of the Gods sometime in the twenty fi century. 3761 03:27:39,360 --> 03:27:41,200 Speaker 1: If I don't want to do that, then I don't 3762 03:27:41,240 --> 03:27:45,120 Speaker 1: want to die in battle Dwight, though I expect he's happy. 3763 03:27:45,680 --> 03:27:47,720 Speaker 1: I expect he dies every day with a smile on 3764 03:27:47,800 --> 03:27:50,920 Speaker 1: his lips and meat and his belly. He won't have 3765 03:27:51,000 --> 03:27:54,160 Speaker 1: to fight alongside the monsters of the human race either, because, 3766 03:27:54,200 --> 03:27:57,160 Speaker 1: as I learned in Nashville, Nazis don't go to Valhalla. 3767 03:27:58,680 --> 03:28:05,400 Speaker 1: All right, that was awesome, Margaret, Thank you. Yeah, thanks Dan. 3768 03:28:05,440 --> 03:28:10,320 Speaker 1: I'll put a bunch of applause noise here because translating 3769 03:28:10,440 --> 03:28:14,480 Speaker 1: over yeah as an end and and uh an air 3770 03:28:14,560 --> 03:28:19,840 Speaker 1: horn stick an, I don't think the air horn is 3771 03:28:19,879 --> 03:28:26,400 Speaker 1: going to be that as Garrison air horn. Thank you, 3772 03:28:27,400 --> 03:28:32,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, Garrison. Margaret. Um, how long ago did you 3773 03:28:32,080 --> 03:28:38,640 Speaker 1: write that? I wrote that, I believe in two seventeen. Mah, yeah, 3774 03:28:39,000 --> 03:28:44,640 Speaker 1: well it's not gotten less relevant, Yeah, man, I uh, 3775 03:28:46,720 --> 03:28:49,120 Speaker 1: there's definitely some times where I've I've wished for a 3776 03:28:49,280 --> 03:28:58,040 Speaker 1: platoon of vikings uh to deal with some ship. Yeah. Uh, Well, 3777 03:28:58,320 --> 03:29:00,640 Speaker 1: this has been it could happen here, and this has 3778 03:29:00,680 --> 03:29:03,920 Speaker 1: been spooky week. I hope you enjoyed this scary story 3779 03:29:04,000 --> 03:29:07,000 Speaker 1: that's also relevant to our theme of collapse. Margaret, you 3780 03:29:07,080 --> 03:29:09,960 Speaker 1: want to tell the people where they can find you. Yeah, 3781 03:29:10,040 --> 03:29:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter at Magpie kill Joy. I'm on Instagram 3782 03:29:12,680 --> 03:29:15,760 Speaker 1: at Margaret kill Joy. I'm on Patreon at patreon dot 3783 03:29:15,800 --> 03:29:18,640 Speaker 1: com slash Margaret kill Joy, where this story and many 3784 03:29:18,720 --> 03:29:21,960 Speaker 1: other stories are available for anyone who sponsors me at 3785 03:29:21,959 --> 03:29:23,560 Speaker 1: a dollar a month. Then if you make less money 3786 03:29:23,600 --> 03:29:25,480 Speaker 1: than I do, then just message me and I'll give 3787 03:29:25,480 --> 03:29:28,240 Speaker 1: you all my ship for free. And I have an 3788 03:29:28,360 --> 03:29:30,320 Speaker 1: upcome because you've asked me to plug things and I'm 3789 03:29:30,320 --> 03:29:34,000 Speaker 1: definitely just gonna go ahead and plug things. Um. I 3790 03:29:34,160 --> 03:29:36,320 Speaker 1: have a book coming out from a K Press. It's 3791 03:29:36,320 --> 03:29:39,160 Speaker 1: a reissue of my anarchist utopian book, A Country of Ghosts. 3792 03:29:39,240 --> 03:29:42,640 Speaker 1: If you like my very I like writing war stories, 3793 03:29:42,680 --> 03:29:44,879 Speaker 1: but I specifically like writing war stories that are actually 3794 03:29:44,879 --> 03:29:47,960 Speaker 1: sad and how about how war is horrible? Um? And 3795 03:29:48,120 --> 03:29:51,040 Speaker 1: so A Country Ghosts is such a book and this 3796 03:29:51,240 --> 03:29:54,119 Speaker 1: story will eventually. I'm excited to say I just signed 3797 03:29:54,160 --> 03:29:56,440 Speaker 1: the contract for a K Press is going to put 3798 03:29:56,480 --> 03:29:59,039 Speaker 1: out a short story anthology of mine, which will include 3799 03:29:59,080 --> 03:30:05,920 Speaker 1: this story. Yeah, it sounds incredibly rad Yes, great publisher. Yeah, 3800 03:30:06,200 --> 03:30:09,760 Speaker 1: not biased at all in that No, no, no, nor 3801 03:30:09,920 --> 03:30:15,119 Speaker 1: towards stories of the Second American Civil War with superior 3802 03:30:16,879 --> 03:30:21,320 Speaker 1: I've been introduced to just today. Um, all right, we'll 3803 03:30:21,440 --> 03:30:29,280 Speaker 1: check out Margaret's book Parentheses. 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