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Speaker 1: What's up, Happy Hour listeners. I'm one of your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Becka Kouffrin, and unfortunately Michelle is out sick today, so

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Speaker 1: I thought it would be fun to bring in one

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Speaker 1: of our favorites and one of our how did they

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Speaker 1: say it in the reunion, that's your nation royalty. I

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Speaker 1: still go I saw referty as grocery store show referred

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Speaker 1: to as royalty. It just allows people that just tell

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Speaker 1: us apart, just like, can you stop doing that? I

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Speaker 1: said that last night watched it with Thomas. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I hate that. It makes me cringe. It's like, well, well,

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Speaker 1: in your case, you are royalty because you and Serena

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Speaker 1: were from King and Queen last year, so it's fitting

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Speaker 1: for you. Well in my head on royalty, but I

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Speaker 1: don't want other people to think that. No, it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's rough to hear, but it was. It was

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Speaker 1: fun being there. I enjoyed it. I thought the energy

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Speaker 1: level it was pretty heavy in there, but I still

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Speaker 1: had fun being first first role for the drama. And

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here on Happy Hour with you. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you here, not only because

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Speaker 1: like you said, you were at the finale, but you

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Speaker 1: also and this didn't make it because there was so

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Speaker 1: much drama and everything else happening, but you and starting

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Speaker 1: to actually made it down to the beaches of Paradise.

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Speaker 1: You did have a little cameo during the finale week,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately didn't see well, you know, I was. They caught

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Speaker 1: out a lot of what Thomas and I did the

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Speaker 1: week before too, So I get it. I just I

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Speaker 1: said that it's because whatever we were saying was terrible,

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Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna pretend it's because of all the

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Speaker 1: drama that took over, But there was. It was interesting.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the first episode this week, like that

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Speaker 1: much happened. It was obviously like the make or Break week,

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Speaker 1: where couples either stayed together or broke up. But the

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Speaker 1: finale was unlike anything we've ever seen before. So let's

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Speaker 1: get into that. We're gonna have the one and only

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Speaker 1: Wells on to get his take on everything that we

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Speaker 1: saw too very soon. But before we bring him on, Joe,

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Speaker 1: catch us up on life. We haven't had you one

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Speaker 1: happy hours since you have been a married man. Yeah. Well, actually,

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Speaker 1: last time I was here, I was engaged. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: a married man. Yeah, you're right, You're right. Everything's oh wild, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: very wild. I saw I forgot what Bachelor account m

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Speaker 1: fan account posted it, but there was a photo of you,

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Speaker 1: me and Tia, and it's like, let's take it back.

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Speaker 1: Who would have thought that Fecca is engaged, prom King

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Speaker 1: and Queen are married and Tia has a baby on

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Speaker 1: the way, Like, wow, hey, there was something in the

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Speaker 1: water last year of Paradise. We're all doing it right.

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Speaker 1: It's I know, I think was it the picture of

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Speaker 1: us all napping together? No, but that would have been great.

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Speaker 1: But there is that picture too, that's still my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so many fun memories. I like, I

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Speaker 1: love you and Serena every time we're together. I just

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Speaker 1: you guys are so perfect for each other. But I

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Speaker 1: was shocked when I saw that you guys got married.

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Speaker 1: I knew it was coming, you know, like Serena and

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Speaker 1: I've talked about plans, but but I saw the photos

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Speaker 1: and I was like, Joe didn't here a dress up

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Speaker 1: for this? What as bougie as you are, Well, we

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Speaker 1: wanted to, we wanted to downplay it because we do

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Speaker 1: want the ceremony that we're gonna have next year to

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Speaker 1: be like the big thing, but we still wanted to

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Speaker 1: We were excited and we wanted to get married, and

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Speaker 1: we just went and did it and it was actually, honestly,

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. It took a lot

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Speaker 1: of the pressure off. Yeah, and now we could just

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Speaker 1: plan on having a fun wedding. And we have decided

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Speaker 1: that we're going to do Charleston, South Carolina. That's where

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Speaker 1: we're getting married again next year. Yes, yeah, Okay, what

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Speaker 1: made you true charge? Where are you guys getting married? Joe?

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Speaker 1: We were just between, I don't know, we were just between,

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Speaker 1: Like we wanted to do destination for everyone. Most of

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Speaker 1: our friends and family are Toronto, Chicago, we have some

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Speaker 1: South Carolina is easy to get to for a majority

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Speaker 1: bet I better get that in. By Joey, what are

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Speaker 1: you guys doing for Thanksgiving? Chicago? We're going to Chicago.

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Speaker 1: So Canadian Thanksgiving is actually a month beforehand, so it's

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Speaker 1: in October. So we were Serena and I we just

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Speaker 1: to go back. Oh that'll be so nice. I really

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Speaker 1: Thomas and I always talk about like wanting to go

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Speaker 1: visit Marie and Kenny. So we should plan a team

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Speaker 1: let's do it. Love Love, Love Love Chicago. Okay, Joe,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about this finale, because, like we said, it

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Speaker 1: was a very interesting one. I feel like there's way, way,

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Speaker 1: way more that went down that we will never see.

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Speaker 1: And you luckily were there, so I can pick your

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Speaker 1: brain a little bit on it, Like what is some

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Speaker 1: of the most wild shit that you saw on that

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Speaker 1: Tyler and Brittany, I was surprised that they ended it

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Speaker 1: the way they did right that. Yeah, oh totally. That

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Speaker 1: seemed very abrupt too, And I feel like, and maybe

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like there wasn't even really a reason why.

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Speaker 1: It was like we were together, we went into other's families,

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Speaker 1: I will say, I understand relationships don't work out, right,

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Speaker 1: Like I get that we've all been there through a well,

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Speaker 1: I felt for Tyler like it seemed like he still

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Speaker 1: didn't have the closure Keen needed. Is that the vibe

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Speaker 1: feels like there are multiple couples that were on that

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Speaker 1: We never hear that, and that's I think the case

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Speaker 1: At one point in my life on this show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think it takes. I think it takes a

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what happened. You know, I was

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. And I'm sure you went into your

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Speaker 1: Like you really have to go through life outside of

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Speaker 1: want to leave the beach with. Definitely, And I think,

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Speaker 1: That's that's like the biggest thing, because I think a

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Speaker 1: and the time. Yeah, And like most people have seen,

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Speaker 1: it's like, it's not an easy relationship where you can

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Speaker 1: the hardest part for most couples coming out of the show.

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Speaker 1: So when you bring up wanting to actually be in

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Speaker 1: a relationship, let me get your take on the Kate

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Speaker 1: and Logan situation, because after everything is said and done,

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Speaker 1: the finale with the two of them. Yeah, it just

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Speaker 1: on my run and eat and then it would be

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00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: like okay, time to come back to work. So it

426
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: was it's kind of like a like a just kept going. Um.

427
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: So it's not really like a vacation for me per se,

428
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: but uh yeah it's But I love that gig, Like

429
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: it's so much fun to see it all go down

430
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: and then to watch it back again and be like, oh, yeah,

431
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: I forgot about that, you know, brings back all the

432
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: old memories. Yeah. Well, so we were raving about you

433
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: because I had Thomas on this podcast last week. Look, people,

434
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: I think when they see you. They're like, oh, Wells

435
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: has the best gig. He's just showing up to bartend.

436
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: But you do so much more. Like you said, you're

437
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: doing so many more night shoots, especially last season two,

438
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: and we didn't have like a full time host. You

439
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: would come in and host rose ceremonies. Even when we

440
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: were with you for the Sadie Hawkins Dance, you hosted

441
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: that entire night. You didn't leave till what four or

442
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. You're basically always on the clock. Yeah,

443
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: so much of my good ship gets cut. It's really

444
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: quite depressing. Like this this after show. They had to

445
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,239
Speaker 1: call to tell me, hey, so because I did like

446
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: four or five like kind of like segments and they're like, ah,

447
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: so We're gonna cut all of the stuff that you did.

448
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why was I there all day? Such

449
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: a long day. But yeah, that the Sadie Hawkins Dance

450
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: was hilarious because you know, the big thing is like superlatives.

451
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: You want to find out like who is the best

452
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: kisser and who's the cutest couple and like Joe one

453
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: last year for like prom king Queen Queen. Yeah, yeah,

454
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: she seems like I still love the Crown behind the

455
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: Big Deal no big Deal, and so you know, they

456
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: were like, you need to stick around because you need

457
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: to announce like the the superlatives. And then it just

458
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: started to like go off the rails real fast, and

459
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: everyone was like falling asleep or leaving, and so they're like,

460
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: you need to stay because we want the credit roll

461
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: shot of you like announcing the winners and no one

462
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: being there. And I was like, you know what, that

463
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: sounds really funny. I'll stick around for that. But I

464
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: remember that night you were there. You guys were there

465
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: with me, and then you bailed out, like four hours

466
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: before I even gotten to start filming that. Yeah, we

467
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: left at like one or one thirty. I was like,

468
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: I am thirty two. This is way past me at

469
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: that time. They don't need me to announce anyone's name

470
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: because we knew people were leaving, Like we knew Andrew

471
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: and Jennia left. I'm like, we just got to go.

472
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: Wells has this, But yeah, you they felt so so much.

473
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of the good parts,

474
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: if they're not dramatic part, you know, part of the

475
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: crazy couples, it doesn't get included. So this finale, well,

476
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: the reunion that you were at. Joe, you were there too,

477
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: so you can both kind of talk about this. But

478
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: for me as a viewer, I felt like there was

479
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: so much that we did not see, Like it felt

480
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: like everything was so crammed into the two hour reunion

481
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: and like, what was the most wild part that wasn't

482
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: even aired? Well, there was a lot we didn't see

483
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: because it was filmed for twelve twelve hours. Yeah, I mean, well, selfishly,

484
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: the most fun thing we did was this game called

485
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: Nectar or Not Nectar and I it was a game

486
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: show where I asked the cast like if something was

487
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: nectar or not nectar, and then they had to all

488
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: like decide what was nectar or not nectar, and then

489
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: Aaron got to be the one who decides who was

490
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: right or not. And it was hilarious because Aaron is

491
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,959
Speaker 1: like the funniest freaking guy. He's got that you know,

492
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: that like whoa bro thing, so you think he's stupid,

493
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: but he's so quick. It's just like this weird affectation

494
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: that he has in his voice. And I was like,

495
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: he's like could be a stand up comedian. And so

496
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: I was so bummed that got cut because it was

497
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: really really funny, but obviously the vibe of the show

498
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: was a very very serious one with the whole like

499
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: Victoria and great thing. It was just it. You know,

500
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: usually when you go to those after shows, there's a

501
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: winner and a loser in those things. I mean, I

502
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: think maybe no one's a winner in the situation, but

503
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: like Kate and Logan, it seemed like Logan was like

504
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: the winner in that, Like he kind of looked better

505
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: than Kate did for the whole, the whole like Victoria

506
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: and Greg of it all, Like everyone just looked bad

507
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: and I felt sad about that. Yeah, that was watching that,

508
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: that was that was rough. But I will say being there,

509
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: it was like the most of the cast, like nobody

510
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: was smiling, nobody was happy, Like I remember, you know,

511
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: doing Paradise the first time in the reunion show, and

512
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: it just was a different vibe, like even though people

513
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: didn't get along on the beach, everybody was happy to

514
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: be there. Walls, would you say this one? I mean,

515
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: to me, I thought it was the most serious reunion

516
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: I've ever seen or been too. I would I would

517
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: agree with that, like, and that was one of the

518
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: reasons why I was bummed that like a lot of

519
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: my stuff got cut because it felt so heavy that

520
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: it was like we need some yucks in this whole thing,

521
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, like we need to remind everyone that this

522
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: is a fun show and like this is, you know,

523
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: um a silly one. But yeah, it was definitely I

524
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: hate to like do like the Bachelor Nation cliche, but

525
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: it was like definitely the most dramatic one we've done.

526
00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's a fair statement, but it felt

527
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: like to the everything that was included from what we

528
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: saw for as a viewer standpoint, was very like kind

529
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: of cordial too. Like from what we heard when it

530
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: was actually filmed, it was pretty crazy. It was wild.

531
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: People were going at it, but like the bits that

532
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: we saw, it seemed like Aaron and Genevieve basically said

533
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: like the right things, like you know, we both take

534
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: lame and we wish each other the best. Katon Logan

535
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: kind of like had their peace, and same with I

536
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: would say, Rodney and Eliza. Like it didn't seem like

537
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: anyone was really still going at it, which I guess

538
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: I expected something completely different, and I wonder if it's

539
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: because it was so heavy with that Victoria Johnny, Greg

540
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: Love mess. Yeah, I guess maybe everything's relative. And then

541
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: so when you think of like your problems, then you

542
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: watch the the Greg Victoria kind of bs and it's like,

543
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: h maybe, well let's just call what it is. That

544
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: was fucking nuts, the whole thing, the whole story. Watching

545
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: it back Greg coming out, I was like, yeah, Greg there,

546
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: I was like, why didn't Greg just go onto Paradise?

547
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: Like what? I guess? I was confused with that. So

548
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: do we know like timing of anything, because it made

549
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: it seem like great not Greg? Whoa not Greg and Johnny.

550
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: Victoria and Johnny were only together for what they said,

551
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: three weeks I think after Paradise and then that's when

552
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: they called it quits. And Joey, you might know better

553
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: because you did the podcast with Nick and and Victoria

554
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: and Greg after the finale, right after that was all filmed. No,

555
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: I didn't do a podcast with them. I thought you

556
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: were they'll take me down this, they'll take this dark

557
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: podcast that broke batchination that everyone's like, oh my god,

558
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: Victoria and Greater together. No, it was after the reunion show.

559
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: Nick had invited us over to dinner, so we went

560
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: there in Victoria and Greg were also there and we

561
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: had dinner and Nick had filmed a TikTok, put together

562
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: a TikTok and then um, that was the one that

563
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: like spread like wildfire and of course or something just

564
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: going like this, you know, this kind of dinner party. Yeah,

565
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was it was intense. Well, okay, yeah,

566
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: So I guess my question is this is a good

567
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,239
Speaker 1: question for you, Joe, because you've lived through Paradise a

568
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: couple of seasons now, and you you went through kind

569
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: of what I went through last year the first time around,

570
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: where you and Kendall broke up, rekindled afterwards, stated for

571
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: a while, and then when you and Serena went on.

572
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: Obviously you guys had the best outcome where you got

573
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: in age. Do you feel, knowing how hard it is,

574
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: that transition off of the beach back into the real

575
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: world and trying to make relationship work, do you feel

576
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: like they gave it a fighting chance or do you

577
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: feel like things gone hard and they kind of just

578
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: threw the towel in and they're like, that's it, let's

579
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: move on. Well, I have to say that I think

580
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: it should be very easy after the show, and for

581
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: me it was extremely with Serena. It was extremely easy

582
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: and it was just a lot of fun and a

583
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: lot of excitement. And I feel like if you don't

584
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: get that right away, you're you're kind of doomed unless,

585
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, unless you both really put effort. But it's

586
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: all about the effort you're gonna put into it, because

587
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: it's not easy. You both live in different states. You're

588
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: really not supposed to see each other unless you do

589
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: the set up happy couple weekend. So but yeah, like

590
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: for me, yeah, it was you know, we're that couple,

591
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: like we never fight, but like, yeah, it was just

592
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: really easy. How could you fight with Serena? How could

593
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: you fight with Joe's the question? Oh, Joe, Joe, Joe Joe.

594
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: So well, I'm interested to know if any of these couples,

595
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: I guess not even from this season, but any season,

596
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: if they ever reach out to you post filming to

597
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: ask for advice or to check in, like are you

598
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: I feel like you're always there for people who need it,

599
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: But does anyone check in with you to say, like, hey,

600
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: what did other couples do? Were like, I need advice

601
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: in this situation. After the first season of that, Joe

602
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: did a Paradise. He called me and asked me for advice.

603
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: I remember the first person. I love this and I

604
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: gave you advice and you didn't take it, and I

605
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: think I was right about that. But they love me.

606
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: You give the advice that I now pass on to

607
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: other people that asked me for advice. Yeah, they take it.

608
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: Does anyone take it Joe? No, they definitely. If we've

609
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: learned anything from the six years of Paradise I've filmed,

610
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: no one takes my advice. And then they are like

611
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: A should like taking your advice? That was stupid, Uh,

612
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: to answer your question though, like yeah, obviously every year

613
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: there are like relationships that um are stronger for me

614
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: than than other ones, Like Joe UM is a good

615
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: example of that. Like they didn't We didn't see it

616
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: a lot last season, but Joe and I did a

617
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: lot of like guy chats um and like heart to

618
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: hearts and me giving him advice and kind of back

619
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: and forth, which is, by the way, not to cut

620
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: you off, but as a shame that they never showed

621
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: some of it. It was gold It was great TV,

622
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: but go ahead, Walls, it was gold um. And then

623
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: you know this for for me this year it was

624
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: Michael Um. He well, he were the same age, so

625
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: like we have the same bad jokes and like like

626
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: the same music right off the bat. Um and he's

627
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: a sweet guy and like and and I'm kind of

628
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: in this realm too now, like I'm in a different

629
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: place in my life than I was when I first

630
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: started doing this show. Um, and I felt like he

631
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 1: is too, Like his story is much different than mine,

632
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: but like older stakes are a little bit higher, Like

633
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: it's not just for fun and like Instagram follows, like

634
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: it's it's truly like he's there for something very very specific,

635
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: not to say other people aren't, but like he's just

636
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: in a different kind of season of life and I

637
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: could relate to that. And so you know, during the show,

638
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: I gave him a lot of advice and obviously I

639
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: had I had a dog in the fight because he

640
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: started dating my good friend Danielle, who I knew, look

641
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: before we both did the show. We were really good

642
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: friends in Nashville. So that's a little scary thing too,

643
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: of like putting someone trying to set up to people

644
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: and one of those people's like really really close to you.

645
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: We've all been there and like you play matchmaker, and

646
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know if this is a good idea,

647
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: And I was kind of living in that world of like,

648
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't, you know, hook up my one

649
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: of my dearest friends in the world with someone who

650
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: was not going to be protective of her heart. And

651
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: what I learned was is that that was untrue. Like

652
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: he Michael was like the nicest, sweetest guy. And I

653
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: go back to answer your question before when you were

654
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: talking about like something that like I we didn't we

655
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: missed from the show. There was a lot more of

656
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: the Michael Danielle story that we didn't see. And I've

657
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: done the show for a very long time, and I

658
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: feel like I can kind of sniff out in authenticity

659
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: from a mile away at this point, and their story

660
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: like on the couch, when he finally tells her that

661
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: he is in fact in love with her, it was

662
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: the most authentic thing I've seen on that stage I

663
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: think ever. Like she was shocked. It was funny because

664
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: Jesse was trying to get through like prompter reads and

665
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: like get us into commercial and she gave zero fucks

666
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: about that because she was so like caught up in

667
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: the moment of that thing happening that she was like

668
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: stepping over all of Jesse's lines, which was hilarious to

669
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: me because you know, it's sometimes you're like is any

670
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: of this real or whatnot? And from where I was standing,

671
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: I was like, this is one of the most authentic

672
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: things I've seen on this show and it made me

673
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: here up a little bit. And um, I think that's

674
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: why we watch it, though, is because we get to

675
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: have those feelings, whether they're laughing, crying, or anger. Did

676
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: you did you have any doubt in Brandon and Serene,

677
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: Like how early on did you know like this couple?

678
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: Because like watching it, I'm like they for me. I

679
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: wasn't sure about Michael and Danielle as much because you

680
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: don't see as much on the show. But Brandon Serene,

681
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: I was like, they're gonna they're gonna get married right

682
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: after they're gonna get engaged. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think

683
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: I will. After the first Rose ceremony, I think we

684
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: all were making the joke of like, what are we

685
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: doing here? Uh. I gave them the advice of like, hey,

686
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: don't do the thing that everyone does when they find

687
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: someone they like right right off the bat, and it's like,

688
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: not engaged with people, um like not be fun on

689
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: the beach. And because I'm like, you'll you'll won't be

690
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: on the show like if you if you're not talking

691
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: to people are like having fun, Like you just get

692
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: cut that show and you'll be so annoyed by it.

693
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: And they didn't listen, and um, I mean like it

694
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: was like they were they were so cute and so great,

695
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: but like Brandy is hilarious, Like he's one of like

696
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: the funniest guys on the beach, and I was like, hey,

697
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: stop napping so much with your wife and like, go

698
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: do the synchronized swimming thing. I think it'll be fun,

699
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: you know. Like, but yeah, we all knew that they

700
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: were going to get married immediately. Yeah, very apparent. Was

701
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: there any other couple that you thought would maybe make

702
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: it last that didn't or that surprised you that were

703
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: like who surprised? I guess? Um. I think that I

704
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: was most surprised by Frieze. Yeah you got you back. Um,

705
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: I think I was most surprised by Johnny and Victoria.

706
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: And I think I was right about that. I was

707
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: really rooting for for Lace and Rodney. I wanted Lace,

708
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: She's an old friend of mine. We did B I

709
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: P three together, and I'm just like kind of rooting

710
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: for Like, she just is one. She's just fun to

711
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: be around. She's really good on TV, if that makes

712
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: any sense, Like she's funny. She like will cry for

713
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: no reason because she's just kind of like a headcase.

714
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: But like Hertha, she's just so good and I am

715
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: she just deserves I think the world. And Rodney is

716
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: like the sweetest guy in the world. And I really

717
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: was rooting for that, but you know, what can you do?

718
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: Liza came in and kind of knocked everything out. Yeah, okay,

719
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: So speaking of Rodney, then, how sad how heavy was

720
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: the atmosphere on that beach when he ended up leaving,

721
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: Because and I said this our post couple of weeks ago,

722
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: it's like one thing for the couples that are breaking

723
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: up to have emotions and to shed some tears. But

724
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: I felt like everyone on the beach was crying when

725
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: Rodney left, Like we've never seen that scale of tears

726
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: for one person. I don't think before how how heavy

727
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: was that? Yeah, it was tough. I think that, Um,

728
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: that's a testament to like how good of a guy

729
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: Rodney is. And I think that's like something that everyone

730
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: should kind of aspire to be, Like, is someone who's

731
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: that kind and that generous and that beloved That everyone

732
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: cried when he left, Like that's ridiculous, Like no one

733
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: cried when I left the show. Uh, you know, like

734
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: no one gave a shit. Uh. I should be more

735
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: like a Rodney, I guess. But yeah, he was just

736
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: such a lovable guy. And yeah, I kind of I

737
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: kind of wish he was the bachelor looking back, you know,

738
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: he would he deserves, he deserves. Yeah. Yeah, that seemed,

739
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, extremely dramatic the way everybody was crying when

740
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: he left. When he left, I was like, all right,

741
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, yeah, I get it. But it

742
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: also might have been a thing of like everyone was

743
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, worn, a bit thin, you know,

744
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: they've been written hard and hung up wet kind of

745
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: a thing like that. I think everyone was just a

746
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: little cuckoo for Coco Puffs at that moment and it

747
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: just started to all come out. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah,

748
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: but you know, but you know what I will say,

749
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: and because they re showed it during the finale is

750
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: like the moment when Ronnie went up to address the

751
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: group and he was like I think it was he

752
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: said he was embarrassed. In his voice kind of cracks

753
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: and he his tears in his eyes, like and Ronnie

754
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: is so pure, He's like a golden retriever, Like just

755
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: is so loving and caring and loyal, like would not

756
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: her to fly. So I feel like in that moment, yeah,

757
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: like lack of sleep, you have no normalcy to like

758
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: structure or like daily life things besides like eating and

759
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: drinking on the beach. So I get why people kind

760
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: of broke at that point too. Okay, Wells, you talked

761
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: about how you felt like at one point the beach

762
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: was making you dumber. Yeah, in regards to the whole itching,

763
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: painful fight between Genevieve and Aaron, do you still stand

764
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: by that statement? Yeah, I don't. I don't know if um,

765
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: if going there every year is making me smarter, I

766
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: will say that. Uh. But here's the thing I disagree with,

767
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: Like what that doctor said, Like, I don't I think

768
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: that pain. I think that itch is low level pain.

769
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: I think. And so I'll give you this, do you

770
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: I do so when you get a scab, okay, like

771
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: you cut yourself and the scabs over um at some

772
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: point it starts to itch and you're supposed to It's

773
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: it's like a I feel like it's a thing to

774
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: like get the scab off, I guess, but I think

775
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: there are two different sensations, like pain and itch are different. Okay,

776
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: So here's my other thing. Have you ever have you

777
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: ever had poison oak on your on yours? Have you

778
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: ever had poison from Chicago? Okay on my eggs? Yeah,

779
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: well I was talking about my my test. Uh so

780
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: I grew up. I want to know what kind of

781
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: situation you're in to get it on. Yeah, So I'll

782
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: explain this to you. It's not like I'm like whacking

783
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: off in a freaking poison oak bush. So what happens is,

784
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: and this happened a lot when I was a kid.

785
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: We play like in the backyard and there's poisonoke everywhere,

786
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: and you'd get it on your hands, um, and then

787
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: you'd go to the bathroom, and to go to the

788
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: bathroom for boys, you have to to touch it pull

789
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, you have to got to pull it out.

790
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: And so that's how you'd get it on there. And

791
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's the most painful thing in the world.

792
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: And it's itch. Okay, so I'm saying it's the same thing. Yeah,

793
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: but it might be the beginning of the pain, but

794
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: it's they're still different. But like, like this is an

795
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: extreme scenario, Like what if you just get a mosquito

796
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: by Like that's not painful. Yeah, it's annoying and you

797
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: itch it and then throw some cream on it and

798
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: it's fine. But like, Okay, we're getting way too into

799
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: this fight again and we might be making ourselves dumber.

800
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: Just can you just talk a little about a little

801
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: bit about Aaron and Genevieve's relationship as a whole, Like

802
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: from the get go, did you think they would work out?

803
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: I will say their fights are very as dumb as

804
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: they are pretty entertaining. You know. It's funny. After the show,

805
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: we all went out to the bar and I was

806
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: talking to them, mainly Genevieve. I was like, I think

807
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: you guys, I know this is crazy, but I think

808
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 1: you guys are perfect for one another. And she was like, how,

809
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: so what are you talking about. I'm like, well, to

810
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: be honest with you, as as someone who is married

811
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: to the love of his life, marriage isn't about finding

812
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: the person that like agrees with you on everything, and

813
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: everything is super easy. Marriages work, like you have to

814
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: work on things, you have to be you have to

815
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: compromise on things, you have to be able to talk.

816
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of the things that Genevieve and Aaron

817
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: have are amazing, Like they obviously have a lot of

818
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: like spark and romance, and they have a lot of

819
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: the things that you need. What they don't have is communication.

820
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: And it's not because they're bad at communicating with each other.

821
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: They're bad at communicating with everybody. It's not just locally

822
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: to each other. They're both too whacka dues. And all

823
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: they need to do is sit down maybe with a

824
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: therapist or something and talk about their communication practices. And

825
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: once they do that, I'm sorry, but like they're the

826
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: most amazing, beautiful, weird couple and I would love to

827
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: go on vacation with them. So I'm still holding out

828
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: hope for those two. Sitting in the audience watching them

829
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: in the hot seats, I was like, like, make out,

830
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: get back together, Like I really wanted to see them

831
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: get back together. Okay, So what you're both saying is,

832
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: in this case, two negatives might make a positive here. Yeah, absolutely,

833
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: opposite a tract. Okay, I agree, Okay, interesting, Well, who knows,

834
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: maybe they'll do we know, like did they did they

835
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: talk after the finale? Like do they have plans to rekindle?

836
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: Do we have any sense of this? I don't. I

837
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think they'll ever get back together.

838
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: I think we hate each other. I want to ask

839
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: you about Joe or whoa not Joe Jacob and Jill.

840
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: Do we think they have the potential to go go

841
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: the distance here now that they rekindle this little flame?

842
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope. So they were like the weird

843
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 1: couple on the beach that like you're like, that's gonna

844
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna get married. It's you know, like Evan and Carly,

845
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: you know, when we saw them and you're like, these

846
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: two people are super weird, but like maybe perfect for

847
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: one another. Um, so I hope. So I'm holding out

848
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: hope for him. I'm still I'm still confused that their

849
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: interaction at the reunion and how they even got back

850
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: together because they were both just like I'm open to it.

851
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm also open to it. That was it? Okay. I

852
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: just want to know if everyone that came down on

853
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: the beach, either this summer or in the past that

854
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: is still single. Who would you love to see return?

855
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: M M that's a good question. Um. Litle John I

856
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: love he was the best. He was. He brought so much,

857
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: so good, so good. He came in, got everyone shots. Uh.

858
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: I love that guy. He was so much And I

859
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: remember hearing that and being like, I don't understand why

860
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: Little John's here, but okay, I'm here for it. And

861
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: then he came and I was like, I get it.

862
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: What an amazing grab. Oh yeah, Little Job came down

863
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: at the same time Mara came down. That's the difference. Okay. Well,

864
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. We love having

865
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: you on a happy hour. I can't wait to see

866
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: you on the beaches hopefully again next year. Um, and

867
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: until then, enjoy this next chapter of your newly life.

868
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's good to seeing you guys.

869
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: I missed you all. Please come over to Los Angeles

870
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: and say hi to me and come down to San

871
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: Diego too. Yeah, I'm there, Joe. It's so much fun

872
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: having you on. You know, I miss you. It's always

873
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: a blast. Let's get into overall what your rose and

874
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: thorn was from this season because I know that you

875
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: not only watched it, but you also were there for

876
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: part of it. So give me your highlight and low lighte.

877
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: So my Rose is going to have to go to

878
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get the Rose to Brandon and Serene.

879
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: They made it all the way through, they're happy at

880
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: the end. I'm happy for him, and I really think

881
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna last. My Thorn is going to go to

882
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: everyone else. My Thorn is getting everyone who didn't make it. Yeah,

883
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: my Thorn, man, you know I want I actually, I'm

884
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: gonna give it to Aaron and Genevieve because I like

885
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: them both and I just there's a part of me

886
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: that I still want them to work, and I don't

887
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: think they ever will, but I just I see something

888
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: there between them. So that's who's getting it. Okay, Okay, interesting.

889
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start with the Thorn and just get

890
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: it out of the way. I think for me, it

891
00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: was kind of overall a slightly disappointing season, and maybe

892
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: that's just because last year. I mean, obviously we were

893
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: there and it was so much fun, but I feel

894
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: like there were so many couples that came out of

895
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: Paradise like, what is it now six or seven couples

896
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: are sold together that met on that beach or well

897
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: submit before. But you know what I'm saying, And and

898
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not lumping Brandon and Serena in this

899
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: or Michael and Damielle because they're still going strong. But

900
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: it just seemed like it didn't the elgor orythm didn't

901
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: work as well this time around. And maybe chalk it

902
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: up to like the switch week or I don't know

903
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: what wasn't my favorite favorite season, but I'm going to

904
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: say my rose is probably well, I think it was

905
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: probably just going back down there. When Thomas and I

906
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: were in Mexico, we saw you and Serena were able

907
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: to grab drinks and dinner one night and just catch up,

908
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: and it was fun being back down there but not

909
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: having the pressure of finding a partner and fallen in

910
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: love because we already did that, and so it was

911
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: much more fun this time around. And so that's going

912
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: to be the Rows. And then I also have to

913
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: give a shout out to Brandon and Serene because they

914
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: are such a freaking cute couple and you, like, you

915
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: can truly tell that they love each other, and I

916
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: really think that they will work out in the long run.

917
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: So congratulations to those two. Congratulations to Danielle and Michael.

918
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: But Joe, before we let you go. We do this

919
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: every week now on Happy Hour, which is sharing a resource,

920
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: because I think it's so important for people to just

921
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: stay informed and give resources to those who might be

922
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: needing them, are looking for them and don't want to

923
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: have to search too hard. So the resource that I

924
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: want to share this week, it's a little bit different,

925
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: but because this upcoming Saturday is Small Business Saturday, I thought,

926
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: I think it's so important to give back to those

927
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: small businesses, but especially black owned businesses or people who

928
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: people of color who own businesses. So I'm going to

929
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: share some of my favorite that I have been to,

930
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: both in San Diego and Minnesota, and then if you

931
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: want to share some either from Chicago or New York

932
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: where you live. Now, I have my hand to dandy

933
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: little list here, but a couple black owned, black owned

934
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: small businesses in Minnesota. I've shared this one before. It

935
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: is called Black Garnet Books. It's I believe in Saint Paul.

936
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: You can get your books online. The shop just opened

937
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: about a month ago, and so I love that one

938
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: Black Garnet Books. Pimento is one of my favorite Jamaican

939
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: food places. They have a couple locations. It is delicious

940
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: if you like some spice, so good. There's one called

941
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: Dinolo if you like to shop, and it's a cute

942
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: boutique with accessories and clothes. And then one it is

943
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: a fitness class called I think it's pronounced Zisa or Zessa.

944
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: I took a class once right after my season and

945
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: it kicked my butt, but it was so fun. And

946
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: so that's I'm Minnesota based one. And then in San

947
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: Diego some that I would recommend Breakfast Bitch such a

948
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: fun brunch place. You have to go check it out.

949
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: Hammond's ice Cream, Thomas Night are obsessed, My hust Cookies,

950
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: Studio Bar for another fitness class. And then any of

951
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: the restaurants owned by the Trust Group or bread Wise, Cardolino,

952
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: Fort Oak are all delicious, highly highly recommend. So those

953
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: are some of my black owned small businesses to support

954
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: this Saturday. Nice and Joey Nice, let's go in Chicago.

955
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do in a may Tavern, great little spot.

956
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: Um chef Juepeas awesome, awesome chef, and they have Frontier two,

957
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: which is another another bar restaurant, Chill Vibes, Great Spat,

958
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: Great food eleven eleven. Ahmed's got an incredible bar in

959
00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: the restaurant. Um. I believe the restaurant was decorated by

960
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: Virgil who was the creative director Louis Tom before you

961
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: and he passed away. But I believe he decorated decorated it.

962
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: But I'm not one hundred percent on that. And then

963
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: let's go Flaves has a great jerk chicken sandwich. And

964
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: then I got, um see what else? A Hispanic grocery store,

965
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: Hispanic owned um Alwaos. There's like six locations. Those are

966
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: great stores. That's what I got off the top of

967
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: my head. I knew I could count on you for

968
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: all the good food spots. I love it. Well, thank

969
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: you Joe, it was so fun having you on. Michelle.

970
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: We hope you're feeling better next week. And the biggest

971
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: thing who goes out to Oliver Boucher Happy Hour listeners

972
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: and once more, thank you Wells. We couldn't have gone

973
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: through the season without you. Yes, and make sure to

974
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: hit us up on social. You can follow us at

975
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,880
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976
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,120
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977
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:09,279
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982
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: tell us something about yourself by completing a short survey

983
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984
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: is that to all of you out there, if you

985
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: know any men to date our next boucherrette, we are

986
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: currently casting. I say we like I'm part of this

987
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: casting process. I am not. But the show is casting

988
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: for men for our next boucherette. So if you're single

989
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: or you know somebody who is single, go to the

990
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: website to nominate or apply. It's going to be at

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Speaker 1: boucher Nation dot com slash apply. Thank you everyone and

992
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: see you next week. Even though I won't be here,

993
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: I'll be on clickbait so you can check me out

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00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: over there. But chairs, chairs, chairs,