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Speaker 1: Welcome to Episode three seven four. Jordan Reynolds. Jordan K.

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Speaker 1: Reynolds is his Instagram. If you wanna go look at

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Speaker 1: it and see what he looks like as we do it.

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Speaker 1: I always find I like to do that during interviews.

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Speaker 1: I want to see a picture of the face the

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Speaker 1: person that I'm talking with. But here we are, Episode

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Speaker 1: three seventy four. He is a Grammy Award winning songwriter.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's got two Grammys for ten thousand hours

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Speaker 1: and God only knows by for King and Country. He

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Speaker 1: is a CMA Triple Play Award winner, and that means

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Speaker 1: he wrote three number one songs in a twelve month period.

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Speaker 1: He wrote Tequila, he wrote Speechless, he wrote All to

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Speaker 1: Myself with and for Dan and Shay. He's got so

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Speaker 1: many number one He was just nominated for another Grammy.

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Speaker 1: It's his fifth nomination, and he has won the a

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Speaker 1: c M four Song of the Year in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: with Tequila. But I really enjoyed this talk. I really

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Speaker 1: like someone who comes in and challenges me, not like

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Speaker 1: I'll show you, let's argue, but who like presents ideas

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh that's interesting, Well what about this?

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this talk. I hope you will too.

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Speaker 1: Jordan k Reynolds is his name, And let's go with

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Speaker 1: another episode of the Bobby Cast. I'm in that weird stage.

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Speaker 1: I was over my house because we just left the

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Speaker 1: radio show came here, by the way, God, you're here.

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Speaker 1: Are you tired? No? You've kind of got a dialed

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Speaker 1: at this point? Probably, Mike, are we tired? I don't

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Speaker 1: really know. I feel this way all the time. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I'm tired. How Like, what time did

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Speaker 1: you get? That is a really good question. I did

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Speaker 1: not expect for it to stop me in my tracks.

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Speaker 1: So are you tired? Now? I get sleepy quite often,

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Speaker 1: But I think it would be like asking a bodybuilder

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Speaker 1: who's lifting weight? Is that heavy? Because that's what they

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Speaker 1: do all the time. They have to do it at

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Speaker 1: a high level, or they don't grow and get stronger. Well,

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Speaker 1: you been doing this for how long? Now? Just radio

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Speaker 1: itself in any form? Since I was seventeen mornings, since

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Speaker 1: I was twenty two. It's almost twenty years, bro, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So I started really I've been lucky enough to be

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Speaker 1: a grizzled veteran, but I started really young. It's so

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Speaker 1: that the most impressive part about what you do is

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Speaker 1: being tired or whatever it is and still having your

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Speaker 1: brain fire, because you have to be firing on all cylinders.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how firing my brain would be if I

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Speaker 1: wasn't tired, though it would probably be insane. Well, and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you making it about me, but I don't

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Speaker 1: want to make it about me. But I guess I

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Speaker 1: think it's the end of the year too, are you?

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Speaker 1: Do you have senior ittis a bit as a writer

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Speaker 1: as a creator. So the last couple of years I've

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Speaker 1: done like a Thanksgiving through your the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: I just block it off just to I usually end

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Speaker 1: up writing, but like it's a good mental thing for me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like Awards week, everything starts slowing down.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's kind of like, all right, we got a couple

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Speaker 1: more weeks, and I'm just like, I think it's just

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Speaker 1: better instead of having like scheduled rights, It's like if

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Speaker 1: just get together. Cool, we got another plane. So I

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Speaker 1: kind of I do and I don't because I knew

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Speaker 1: that the finish line was already coming yesterday was the

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Speaker 1: finish line from me. It's the finish line of obligations.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's good. Yeah, yeah, like that. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's never senior ititis as much as it is.

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Speaker 1: I got to get all this stuff done by then.

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Speaker 1: M hmmm, because we check out. I would never stop.

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Speaker 1: I should. I have a wife and she makes me

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Speaker 1: and it's a good wife. Yes, but it's very It

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Speaker 1: was really tough for me at first because my whole

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Speaker 1: I feel like I have to not to prove to

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Speaker 1: like I have to or I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: able to maintain success at all. Do you ever worry?

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Speaker 1: But if you don't keep writing that, you're going to

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Speaker 1: either lose an edge inside of you or people are

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Speaker 1: of course, I think, like you get into an industry

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm thankful you said that, because I would

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Speaker 1: where a lot of people will go they'll send me

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Speaker 1: do things, or they don't like just the show or

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Speaker 1: a TV project to work on, and they're like, you

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Speaker 1: are just You're so self obsessed, You're so self indulgent.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's my career. It's either what I'm doing,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I think it really does. But I

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Speaker 1: their money. If we're being honest, though, in literally any

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Speaker 1: it's some because you're getting you're stepping into a situation

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Speaker 1: where like you're looking at your calendar and you're going,

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Speaker 1: I have so much to do, Okay, the only person

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Speaker 1: who can do this is this Bobby, you know, like

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Speaker 1: Bobby who is on and doing it, and like you

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Speaker 1: have to convinced to that. But like say you're Elon

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Speaker 1: he's got impostius. He is the richest man in the world,

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Speaker 1: always walk it correctly where confidence and arrogance meat, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes I don't. I'm not quite as confident I should be.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm so confident that comes off the aga. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I'm really confident in some areays and just insecures craping others. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I could come off where it's like, oh, stop

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Speaker 1: doing this act where you just you hate yourself. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: there are parts of me that really I've struggled a

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Speaker 1: Put myself up against anybody. We we like have this

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Speaker 1: like just like you've done You've done a lot of

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Speaker 1: work on yourself. It's obviously seems like like you can

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Speaker 1: But our culture doesn't really allow nuance. What's and you

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Speaker 1: make a point where it's like, yes, people want this,

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Speaker 1: so you're kind of you're just fistfighting the wind. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, that you can't really win. Every thing's nuanced religion,

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Speaker 1: little bit. I don't think we should cancel because I

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Speaker 1: got to come back. But I was sensibility has no allies. No,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't, and it sucks. Well. I think what you

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Speaker 1: people shouldn't just be canceled. Like it's like third Jesus

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Speaker 1: be more honestly, I don't really know. You know. Uh.

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Speaker 1: One of my good friends christ and Rogers, I think

425
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 1: is probably doing like the epitome of what you can

426
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 1: do with the voice major. And she's like unbelievable b GV.

427
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 1: She's like sings with everybody like she is like a

428
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 1: professional singer. But did she need that voice degree or

429
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 1: or the second part of that is did the process

430
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: of getting that degree help her achieve the level that

431
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: she needed or did it just bring her here and

432
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 1: then she did it while she was here? I mean,

433
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 1: who knows? I think I'm I'm such a I'm so

434
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: pro I wouldn't change anything because everything got you exactly

435
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 1: what you needed. But like I you know, yeah you

436
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 1: learned that. And I'm asking because I have a dumb

437
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: degree to here isn't dumb, but I'm saying people classifies

438
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,239
Speaker 1: and I also now say it's a waste and I

439
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 1: think I was talking to some guys the last time.

440
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 1: I said, I went and spoke at a college and said,

441
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 1: don't you're here for this, we don't do it, get out,

442
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: get something else, because yeah, and they told me not

443
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: to come back. There was a whole situation which kind

444
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 1: of a blessing in disguise, you know, less less things

445
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: to do. Um, So I have radio television, but I

446
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: started when I was was seventeen, and then I you know,

447
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: then I wrote in college as well, but it was

448
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: a I was already doing it, and so I told

449
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: people to do just go do it well, and that

450
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: that was always the thing of Belmont. There was the

451
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 1: Belmont bubble, you know. It's like we did the showcases

452
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 1: and stuff, which was fun and it did bring some

453
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: cool opportunities, but for the most part, it was always

454
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: like there were the people who did everything Belmont. There

455
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: were the people who did things outside of Belmont, and

456
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: that was the experience. It's just I was just telling

457
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: somebody that I like, we're just getting to the place

458
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 1: now where our friends from Belmont have like kind of

459
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: powerful positions now at companies and it's kind of starting

460
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: to pay off. You're like, I remember when I knew

461
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: none of these A R people, and now these are

462
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 1: people are my friends, and I can be like, hey, man,

463
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: you should check out this song for dust much, you know,

464
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: like that makes it so much easier and more fun,

465
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: and it just feels like a family. So yeah, I

466
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: think I think going through the I needed college. I

467
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: needed those for you sing better, Like what's the point

468
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: you definitely do. Yeah, I had a my um my

469
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: voice teacher's name is Jamie Wingington, and he's, in my opinion,

470
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: one of the best. Did you want to be a

471
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: singer when you finished? I've listened to the EP I've

472
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: heard I've heard your stuff, right, But I wonder what

473
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: you learned about yourself in the process. Was it because

474
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 1: obviously you're having to start songwriting at some point, you

475
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: didn't know what that was a thing? You're singing your

476
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: recording you like, were you just experimenting? Definitely? I was

477
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: flying by the seat of my pants. I was having

478
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: a blast. Just I was like playing for people. Um.

479
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: I worked at a urch for a few years and

480
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: I was leading worship there, so it's like I was

481
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: using my degree, but I was genuine just like I'm

482
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: just gonna stumble into something I think I knew like

483
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to be. I did a lot of demo work,

484
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: like acoustic stuff early on. That's how I f first

485
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: met John Osborne. Like before brothers Osborne was doing anything,

486
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, playing sessions and stuff, and man, I stumbled

487
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: hard into song running. I just had no idea, Like

488
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: I I it's impossible for me to like give advice

489
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: to younger people because I'm like, I don't know what

490
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: you do. You know, like moved to Nashville and just

491
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: start writing songs. You know, it's like that's the first place.

492
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: Are you an eternal optimists? Oh? Absolutely, I feel it. Yeah,

493
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: And you're going you know, I just felt like I

494
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: stumbled into something. Oh yeah, So in your mind is

495
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: it just gonna work out? It's always gonna work out.

496
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: It's interesting I feel that I feel the opposite eternal pessimist.

497
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: It's oh, man, I wish there was a word for

498
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: a longer fascinating. I love you. Have you met Jordan

499
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: Minton another Shawn Marion Towns coming. He's got a couple

500
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: of hits. One of my best s buddies. He is

501
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: the same way and we have the best conversations because

502
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: we view think I'll be so shocked about Wait, what

503
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: do you mean it's not. Of course it's gonna work out,

504
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: you know, I believe it's gonna work out for others.

505
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: Nothing works out for me. That's fascinating. Yeah, nothing works

506
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: out for me, and if it does, it's because it

507
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: has had to fail seventy three times and I am

508
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: just tenacious enough to last to finally make it work out.

509
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: That's my that's fascinating. Yeah. Completely, it's like and Nope,

510
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. Whatever we're doing a gonna work.

511
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: So does that mean like you're constantly are you anxious

512
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: about the future? Where does your brain completely? Yeah? Absolutely,

513
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: absolutely anxious about everything. I think I'm gonna get sick

514
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: and die. I think I'm going to the big issue

515
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: that I've had. What's your Instagram number eight? You're an eight? Yeah?

516
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: Is that the dictator? Yeah, it's the Yes, I'm that

517
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: one eight and I'm really close to a one, like

518
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: it was like so close to being a one ectrotionist.

519
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm a challenger, that's what I am. Yeah, that's the eight.

520
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: I would challenge. Um, I'll challenging, but something I know

521
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I'm like, oh, yeah, you think this right, Well,

522
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: I know that's not right, but I'm my challenge you

523
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: to beg with you and yeah, but I'm gonna make sure. Um,

524
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: but I feel like it isn't going to work itself

525
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: out until I have to break it figure out how

526
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: to put it back together in its own way that

527
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: allows me to work it out. That is just it

528
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: blows my mind. And I'm sure it's trauma. Yeah, yeah,

529
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: something taught you that somewhere along the way. Or it's

530
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: love or lack or you know, all these things that

531
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: we have no idea how they've affected us and when

532
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: they've affected us. But yeah, my my wife who grew

533
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: up different than me. She's from a small town in

534
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and I grew up small town in Arkansas. We

535
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: have that in common. They're actually pretty close. Her mom

536
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: and dad are still together and they're awesome. I never

537
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: had parents, and so it was like learning a new

538
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: language and what she struggles with me and I totally

539
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 1: understand her not understanding, which I think for me it's

540
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: a valuable lesson is I now can understand I don't

541
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: understand things, and why other people can't understand things is

542
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: that I'm always freaking out that I'm not gonna be

543
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: able to pay bills soon. And she's like, you'd be

544
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: like for the rest of your life, You're gonna be fine.

545
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but I don't think you understand what if?

546
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: What if? She goes But she has the hardest time

547
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: of understanding that all my trauma is rooted in. I

548
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: can't go back to how it was. Yeah, I will

549
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: never go back. And I think that's a lot of

550
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: that is there. Now. I'm a positive person. I am

551
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: someone who pursues it and love it and put it

552
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: up and show everybody like somebody like yourself. I praised

553
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: you around town like this is Jordan. Everybody, I put

554
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: you up one of those big speakers like Jordan. The

555
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: most part. You should love them because I love it.

556
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: I just I wish that was more me. Yeah, man,

557
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: but I know it, like I know myself. Do you

558
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: feel like you know your You know yourself now at

559
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: this point? Do you like yourself? I'm starting to learn

560
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: myself definitely better. I'm starting to like believe things for myself.

561
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: I feel like most people do that, like in their twenties,

562
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: mine didn't really it to like thirties. Um, what has

563
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: really like kind of made me lock into like the

564
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: some of these things. But speaking to bed director, he

565
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: posted some song the other day and like the one

566
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: of the lyrics said, like I'm I started, I've stopped

567
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: blaming my parents for everything or whatever it was. And

568
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: we have two kids now, they're young, it's like three

569
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: and one. But I already can kind of see some

570
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: of these things you when we're talking about. Yes, I

571
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: think trauma does absolutely affect us in certain ways, but

572
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: there are certain things that are like innately in us,

573
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: like we're talking about, like with the difference with my

574
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: little boy my little girl. Already I can be like,

575
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I mean, like we didn't teach my

576
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: little boy will get like he'll run into the wall

577
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: face first. I mean, he is bleeding from his nose

578
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: and he'll just well like, buddy, are you okay? He's

579
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: like I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm like, You're not fine?

580
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: Was that you? Um? I don't know. I actually don't know.

581
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: I didn't ask my mom. But we've never taught him

582
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: like hey, suck it up, you know, like, don't don't

583
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: show your emotion. If anything, we are on the other

584
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: side of that, so like some of those things you're like,

585
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, you just don't you can't teach, Like maybe

586
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: it's just in us and nature nurtures this super Like

587
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm so intrigued and even curious about myself because I

588
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: never knew my dad. Are you left us? Five and so?

589
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: But I will run into people from time to time

590
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: back home that will go, oh, you're just like him,

591
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: that is Wild. You're you're you're, you're you're quick like him.

592
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: You said you do multiple things, And I'm like, well,

593
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: that's weird. I didn't get it from him because I

594
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: was around him, so whatever it is, it's kind of

595
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: embedded inside of Wild. And I wondered too, like some

596
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: of that stuff like skipped around generations and you're like, oh,

597
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: you're just like you're great grandfathers. Yeah you know what

598
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like some of that stuff to shows up.

599
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: I don't know your parents, are they they still they're

600
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: still with us, still with us? Yeah? Yeah, they actually

601
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: moved um to Hendersonville about ten years. They're here. Yes,

602
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: they're here. So my oldest brothers here, they're in like Goodlittzville.

603
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: The only other sibling. H No, I've got another one

604
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: on his name is Jeremy he is. He was in

605
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: the UK for a bunch of years. He's an actor

606
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: and did a lot of theater stuff arts. Yeah, it's crazy.

607
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean it is kind of wild, um, But I

608
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: think so much of that is just the belief thing.

609
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: It's like we all knew we could do it because

610
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: our parents did. But also the energy that your parents

611
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: put into letting, because it takes a lot of work

612
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: for for them to express and prove to you guys

613
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: that you can go into the work and do whatever

614
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: you want. Like that's that's a lot of energy from

615
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: them just to be able to convince you guys that

616
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: if you do the work, you can do whatever. Oh yeah,

617
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: I think too. There's some beauty of growing up we weren't.

618
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: We were lower middle class, you know. And I don't

619
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: say that to shame my parents. I say it to

620
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: congratulate my parents. We had an amazing childhood, you know,

621
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: like it was. It was a beautiful childhood, and my

622
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: parents did everything they could to make an amazing I

623
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: never feel like I missed out on anything. Um, But

624
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: there's like a beauty to growing up with nothing essentially,

625
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, like we need I have to go on

626
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: vacation or anything, because when I got into college, like

627
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: there was no expectation of like, well you better start

628
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: making six figures, you know, like that was never That's

629
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: still my parents don't give a crap, you know, they

630
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: don't care what we're making, Like they just wanted to

631
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: be doing what we love and like that that I

632
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: can already like sense that, like, oh is this gonna

633
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: be different from my kids now because they're going to

634
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: grow up with a little more means and that like

635
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: I we're just trying to be very intentional about like

636
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: not letting that stuff pass off because I think there's

637
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: some beauty and going like you don't need to do

638
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: what dad did to be successful, Like that just doesn't matter.

639
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: I already know that, you know success. Have you read

640
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: um Psychology of Money? Um? But as money, I usually, uh,

641
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm scared of it and don't read it and go

642
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: let somebody else do business managers they're great. Yeah, yes,

643
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: if now I struggled with that big time, just paying

644
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: somebody to look at have my money, talked about money

645
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: letting go of control. It was the hardest I couldn't built.

646
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you're you're gonna have access to all the

647
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: wait what and I'm gonna pay you to have acts

648
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: and and other people do this. I mean I probably

649
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: spent multiple multiple therapy sessions just talking about that. That

650
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: well it's funny because I well, yeah, talk about a

651
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: difference in our brand. I when we because we have

652
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: just started working with this finishment in the last few months,

653
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: and instantly, I mean I had a like my body

654
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: had a reaction of us having been in a positive way.

655
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: Like I didn't realize how anxious and stressed I was

656
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: trying to do it all my own until we gave it.

657
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, within the week, my stomach started feeling better

658
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: all these things because I was just like, you know what,

659
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great now because I don't have to

660
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: deal with love it. It's just wild. Yeah, I'm envious

661
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: that that you can do that, and I'm trying to

662
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: get better at that. Yeah, it's tough because because it

663
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: hasnt worked out. You know, I'll be honest, I can

664
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: do that too. I look at myself and go, you

665
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: know what you say, But well, here's the danger of

666
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: being in an internal optimist because it's it is like,

667
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: it's cool. I like this, let's do dangers about danger,

668
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: let's do let's do pros and con this is good.

669
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: Do pros first. What's what's the pro of being an

670
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: eternal optimist? Um, anything is possible, Like any room, Like

671
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: when I go in to write a song, I say

672
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: this out loud, I'll say, there is no reason why

673
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: we cannot write a song of the year today. There's

674
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: no reason. I mean, like look at I mean, I

675
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: remember going like when we wrote Tequila, like we weren't

676
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: even in that headspace yet, and like that can happen.

677
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: So it's like, gosh, now that we're trying to do it,

678
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 1: like we can definitely do it, you know what I mean. Like,

679
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: So that's the positive. Anything is possible, any write, any

680
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: combination of people, anything, we can make it work. All right,

681
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: let me positive. Here's positive being eternal pessimist. You're never

682
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: disappointed because you are, well, it's gonna happen anyway, You're

683
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm almost never disappointed because I already don't expect

684
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: it to work out. So when it doesn't, yeah, uh

685
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: and you all yeah and you and you rarely get

686
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: hurt because you are do you expect the worst to

687
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: happen because it has before it will happen again. So

688
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: you're almost never disappointed and you never heard. So you're

689
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: you're you, You're protected by the way. I'm not saying

690
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: this is the way to go. I'm just saying this

691
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: is this is the positive about that. I totally get that. Yeah, okay,

692
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: go with the opposite side of yours. Okay. So, like,

693
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: speaking of business management, um, I'm telling my friend who's

694
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: an eight, one of my best buddies. I'm telling him like,

695
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: because I'm so excited about this, and I'm like, dude,

696
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna do business minute. They're gonna take everything like

697
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't have to think about it again. And his

698
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: first thought, I'm thinking he's gonna be like, dude, that's awesome.

699
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: He's like, yes, So who audits them? And I was like,

700
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: what do you mean why I don't audit them. He's like, dude,

701
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: they have complete control over your finances. And I was like,

702
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: I didn't look at it that way. So the danger

703
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: can be and you know, I'm like caution, I would

704
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: say I'm more depending on the situation, I'm more cautiously optimistic,

705
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: Like when it comes to an investment, like the pro

706
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: of that, like we got into thirty A because I

707
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: was just like, let's do it, you know, like we're

708
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: gonna do it, and took an aggressive move and it

709
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: really paid off to be down there. But then after

710
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: that I had to sit and go, this is not

711
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: going to happen again, most likely, So let's now be

712
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: cautiously optimistic and not just throw everything at the wall

713
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: and it's all gonna stick, you know, Like so that

714
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: those are the you know what I'm saying, Like you

715
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: can get yourself in trouble thinking everything's gonna work out

716
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: because realistically, not everything's gonna work out. You buy a

717
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: lot of crypto, and I bought something it might be

718
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: working out, but it might work my Okay, here's the

719
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: bad part about being an eternal pessimist is that it's

720
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: hard to find real joy. M hmm, hard to celebrate.

721
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,959
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I never said, I mean, yeah,

722
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: that's tough. It is. I will tell you that it's

723
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: hard to celebrate for an optimist too, because is I

724
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: think part of it is like you think your best

725
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: days are yet to come, and you're like, oh, this

726
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: is this is cool, but this is not. This is

727
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: not gonna be the biggest thing we've ever done. And

728
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: then you look back on things and you go like

729
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: that was pretty big. Maybe I should have just been

730
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: excited when that was happening, Like that's that's where my

731
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: brain goes. And my wife talked about a good wife,

732
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: like she's so good about small things now, you know,

733
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: like going, hey, we just the other night. Doesn't Lynch

734
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: face time me on a Friday night and he was

735
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: just I pick up the thing and he's playing this

736
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: new song that me and Devin Dawson and Lisa Vannerhem

737
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: wrote and it jacked me up. I don't like, I

738
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: feel like I wouldn't. Normally I'd be like, okay, cool, Yeah,

739
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: he's a kind of song. You know that's great, But

740
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: is it gonna be a single? I don't know how,

741
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, or you know whatever. So in those moments,

742
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: like that moment, I sat back down on the couch

743
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm so fired up right now.

744
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: Like this song that I love, doesn't Lynch his face

745
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: time me. He's in love with it. Zach crowd loves it.

746
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: This is sick, you know, Like and my office like

747
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: wait to go. Oh that's awesome. You know, this is cool.

748
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: You're celebrating this Moe. I was like, I'm gonna be

749
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: excited about this, like you know, so that's that's where

750
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: it can get celebrating. I think either way is tricky.

751
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: It for different reasons. And I think if it's something

752
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: cool one, well there ain't never gonna happen again. You're like, well,

753
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: surely there's another there's not. There's some bigger coming. And

754
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, this is it, this is this probably

755
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: is truly this is the top of the mountain. But

756
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: my again, my wife, who has been such a great

757
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: I won't even say counterbalance. I think she's just been

758
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: She's added complete elements of complete balance or elements because

759
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not there. She will force me to, even

760
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: if I don't fully accept it here and recognize why

761
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: some little moments should be acknowledged. And sometimes you wouldn't

762
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: make me say the word celebrate, but she'll be like, okay, cool,

763
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: well we're we're not gonna be so pump. We're gonna

764
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: at least acknowledge right now this, even if it means

765
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: I mean small things. It's like my wife doesn't drink.

766
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't really drink that much, you know, Like so

767
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: like alcohol is always the first celebration. I feel like

768
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: for most people, it's like, hey, we're going to like

769
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: make a nice meal tonight, or we're gonna go out

770
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: to dinner to night, and it's like it's not that

771
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: big of a deal, but we're gonna do something to

772
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: remember how this felt, you know what I mean, Like,

773
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: that's just I think it's necessary. I don't want to

774
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: get the end of all of this and be like, man,

775
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: I just I just didn't celebrate. I didn't I wasn't excited,

776
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: and like all these people looking at our lives and

777
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: going like what you weren't excited about that stuff? Like

778
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: how could you not enjoy that? You know, I get

779
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: that from her? How why are you not enjoying this? Yeah,

780
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: like we'll go on a trip and not in a

781
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: shameful way, no, not at all. It's like, come on,

782
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: this is awesome. You know. My wife is very much like, hey, bro,

783
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: like why do you work so hard all the time

784
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: and kill yourself and have these huge goals? If you

785
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: have every once a while, I can't actually celebrate, like

786
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: can't have some of the spoils that you've worked for.

787
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: And so we'll be well, you know, we'll go on

788
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: to trip things like though I wouldn't ever be able

789
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: to do in my life, and she'll go, look look

790
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: what you look what we got to do because this

791
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: is what you like. So so going back to the

792
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: psychology of money thing, Um, this guy said this, and

793
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: I've I feel like I have to repeat it to

794
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: myself weakly, but he said he interviewed all these billionaires

795
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: in the book is amazing in general. But he um,

796
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: he's like, what is success? What is wealth? What is success?

797
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: You ask those people and they said, the ability to

798
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: wake up and do what you want to do, with

799
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: who you want to do, for as long as you

800
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: want to do, And that is true success. You could

801
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: do that making thirty grand a year, you know what

802
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, um, but that's like the beauty. Going

803
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: back to like this enjoying the spoils of it. There's

804
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: almost like a thing in our culture of like, well,

805
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: you're doing it, you're right, so right it all the

806
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: way out, you know, all the way like take full

807
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: advantage of it. And in the meantime you're like not

808
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: getting to spending time with your wife or your kids

809
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, Like it's like you gotta enjoy it,

810
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, that that is the point of

811
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: all of it, you know, like you in the balance

812
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: in it. You got a couple of Grammys. Uh yeah,

813
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: we got one. I mean I thought you got one

814
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: for maybe two so Dan and Shay one for the

815
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: accounts tequila in ten thours. You didn't. You don't win

816
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: Speechless maybe okay? So are you loosely associated? You're loosely grams?

817
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: I think like three or four okay, but you have

818
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: one physical one that we just got nominated yesterday for

819
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: another Christian Grammy Country, right, yeah, for Kan Country. That's awesome.

820
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: So random. Yeah, um, why Ben Vaughan, you know, Wren

821
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: travel He uh, he came to me and Josh Kerr.

822
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: It was like a couple of years ago. Hey, um,

823
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: He's like, you guys are you guys are Christians? Right?

824
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: And you write music? You should you should get together

825
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: with for King Country. And I was like, I know

826
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: that math makes sense in your head, but I don't

827
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: write Christian songs like so this could be a train wreck.

828
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: And literally the first day we got together, we wrote

829
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: the song God only knows that ended up winning the Grammy.

830
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: It was like it just started this insane like super cool,

831
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, i'm CCM is so tricky for me. Contemporary

832
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: Christian music. Yeah, yeah, now you're in. Now you're in

833
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: the biz. It can come across cheesy if you're not careful.

834
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: And so I think, like, what's cool about those guys.

835
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: They just do such a good job of making like

836
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: real good music, Like it's really good. We have great

837
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: conversations about life with those guys. I just love making

838
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: music with those dudes. They're just wholesome dudes. You do

839
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: you cut the track, it's out whatever. Was it a

840
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: success in that world as just a song, Yeah, it was,

841
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: like I think it was like a fourteen week number one.

842
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: That's that's success. Yeah, But but that world is a

843
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: little different than country. It's like what country used to

844
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: be kind of fourteen weeks or at anything. Yeah, I mean,

845
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: if I'm playing Madden and I'm I win fourteen super

846
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: Bowl against the computer on rookie mode, I'm still I

847
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: was pretty freaking good. That's pretty good, man. I don't

848
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: I can't actually pretend to completely understand that side of

849
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: the industry, but like, um, yeah, it was a it

850
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: was a pretty big success in that world, and it's

851
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: just cool. I mean, man, I don't I feel like

852
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: in songwriting I have to do a lot of different

853
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: things to keep me interested, were inspired, you know, And

854
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: so those have been just like super fun ways to

855
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: feel inspired. And you know, like we come into it

856
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: not being Christian writers and go like what if we

857
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: said this, and like, gosh, we would never say that

858
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: in this, you know what I mean. Like that's kind

859
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: of how I fell getting into country. It was like

860
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know the country lingo that well growing up

861
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: in St. Louis. I've got some country grandparents, you know,

862
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: But like I had to like kind of fake my

863
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: way through it until I knew what was going on.

864
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: But I also had something to say that all the

865
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: country people didn't have to say, you know what I mean.

866
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: So there's it's like harnessing that piece of you that's

867
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: a little different, that's okay. You know, was your first

868
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: I know your first number one was tequila? Hopefully I'm

869
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: right on this. Was that your first single was my

870
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: first single? Are you kidding me? It was the first

871
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: single in your first number one? Man, we went tequila.

872
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: Speechless on myself ten thousand hours. Glad, I think I

873
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: should probably go to Bow before that. And then like

874
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: Glad you exist we had this ride and I knew

875
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't real. It's like, all right, yes we got

876
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: into the right time. Yeah, you know, like it it's

877
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: said horribly unrealistic expectations, even though I knew it shouldn't,

878
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I just had incredibly

879
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: unrealistic expectations. It's crazy. That was your first single. I'm

880
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: not even talking about number one because it was such

881
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: a massive song. And I will also say it was

882
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: a complete bias. We're very close to Abby and Dan. Yeah,

883
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: and Dan said he's gonna stop by by the way. Great,

884
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: I mean, he's around the car. He probably knows the code.

885
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we're my wife and Abby are like best

886
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: of friends, so we're so that being said, I still

887
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: that Tequila was such a Donna Donna Donna and then

888
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: the freak the Jaws just attacked that shark was so

889
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: big for so long. It was a real staple of

890
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: that year in country music. And that's your first single.

891
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: It was crazy. I remember, Um, could you even appreciate it? Yeah, no, no,

892
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: definitely not. I mean I remember, like vividly, this was

893
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: the first time this is kind of happening. So before

894
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: Tequila came out speaking of three day we were down there.

895
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: We're staying at christ and Hillary's house, Hillary Scott's house,

896
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: and I had come with my in laws. So I'm

897
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: playing for my sister in law. She's always been a

898
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: great like uh test for me. I'll play new songs

899
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: for him, Like what do you She's just a country listener,

900
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: you know. So I played her four or five songs

901
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: we've been you know whatever, and I'm just playing acoustic

902
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: and I got done with tequila and she was like,

903
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: you did not write that song? And I was like,

904
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I did, but it wasn't even like

905
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: my most I wasn't even most excited about that song.

906
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: It's like just how we you know. And that was

907
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: like October so and I was like, yeah, I think

908
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: it's actually the next Dan and Jay single, you know, like,

909
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: which is crazy, you know, um, but the first one

910
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: off that Problem Jake because it was the first project.

911
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: I remember the new the new aesthetic with that song.

912
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all the symbols and yeah that I mean.

913
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: Props to Dan and h and Rohan Colie over at

914
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: Warner like Rohan had just signed on him and Dan

915
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: have been good buddies for a long time and Um

916
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: Rohan's first project was basically convincing everyone at Warner that

917
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: Tequila needed to be the first single. They were not

918
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: in a stage in their career technically on paper where

919
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: you could just throw a ballot out as the first single.

920
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: I don't even know if really anybody's in that stage ever,

921
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, like it's a tough spot to be in.

922
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: And Rohan is like, I will put my life on this,

923
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: which is a I mean, he did so much behind

924
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: the scenes to make that song happen. You just never

925
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: know like it. But what it did was it set

926
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: up the rest of the record to be elevated. You know,

927
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: like if it had gone you know, all to myself

928
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: first or whatever else, even like it would have changed

929
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: the trajectory of that whole project. So the year and

930
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: or so or nineteen whatever, the year we had lost

931
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: the c M A and the Grammy and then won

932
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: the A c M it was a wild Yeah. I

933
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: remember when it lost the c M A because I

934
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: was I was with Dan. It was a dark night.

935
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: It was a dark night, and Dan and I are

936
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: a lot alike, and we were both pretty o C

937
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: D about different things. Dance, O C D like crazy.

938
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm O c D like crazy. He's also doing it

939
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: crazy and I respect it and love it and but

940
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: get it. And I remember just going O man. So

941
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: I just I reached out that night and after we

942
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: had talked, and I was like, bro, I noticed what

943
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: I'll be feeling right now. Maybe you're not, maybe you're not,

944
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: But I felt like that. And I said this in

945
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: an Instagram even the other day, how Dana had such

946
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: as with you guys had such a massive collection and

947
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't rewarded when it should have been. So then

948
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: everyone knew it and started to get rewarded afterward later

949
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: because of because they were that should have been rewarded. Yeah,

950
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: isn't that always happens in award shows too? It seems

951
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: like like the Grammys, like somebody will win the next year.

952
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: I firmly believe that's why I haven't won the No

953
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: About Peace Prize yet. Any one more year and the

954
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: next year, Yes, that's it has to be right, you know, Yeah,

955
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: I think it could happen. I did feel like you

956
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: guys hardcore were robbed out of this Song of the

957
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: Year there, But again, how mad can you be whenever

958
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: you're on such a run man. I just you know,

959
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: I have said this to other songwriters. It's like winning awards.

960
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: Nobody remembers who won the last year. BEFO. We're talking honestly,

961
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: nobody gives a crap. Absolutely, but winning is sick having

962
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: an award in your studio. If it helps people like

963
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: legitimize you or whatever or just trust you more, then

964
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: that's great. But don't put all your eggs into I've

965
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: got to win or even I gotta win Songwriter of

966
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: the Year. It's like we're in the age of Ashley Gorley.

967
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: You're not winning song at the root. But someone would say,

968
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: can I counterpoint you? Yes, because I don't believe and

969
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: I believe what you're saying about the point anyway, Okay,

970
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: that's cold. Jordan's've written all these number one songs, so

971
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: shut up and telling me what I should be happy

972
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: with having. Whenever you came out of the womb with

973
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: the number one. Yeah, oh, I mean yeah, By the way,

974
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even believe what I said right there,

975
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: but I was just no, it's good to have the countram.

976
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but it's I think sometimes seek validation

977
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: from what I would consider respected peers. Yeah, and I

978
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: think because you're right, nobody remembers the awards. They honestly don't.

979
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: It's always easier when, of course, yeah, a winner saying

980
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: a ward shows don't matter. It's like, well, easy for

981
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: you to say, right, yeah. And it's like me trying

982
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: to host the c M A S. I'm like, eventually

983
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: they got to give it to me, and so many people,

984
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: big folks, Hey, it doesn't matter, nobody cares. But I'm like, no, no,

985
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: that's been that's been what I've been working toward forever.

986
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: But it's a personal thing, right, And it does always

987
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: seem to go that you don't know what you got,

988
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: know that, like you you know, once you get the validation,

989
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: say you're a country artist, you get the validation of

990
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: country radio. Bobby Bones is on your team and he's

991
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: playing your music. Rarely actually does that line up with

992
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: a lot of the award show nots now maybe a

993
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: c M s are a little more like commercial friendly

994
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: kind of vibes, especially Grammys. Dan and Shay The fact

995
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: that they get nominated for Grammys and have radio success

996
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: is like, that's that's a unicorn, you know, like usually

997
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: one comes without the other. It's just almost you have

998
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: to have such unparalleled success to even be in the

999
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: Grammy slash Commerce. Yeah, and and they've done it. It's

1000
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: super crazy. Yeah, Yeah, it's super cool. Are you because

1001
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: when I think of you, I obviously know all the

1002
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: songs that you've written for Dan and Shade because of

1003
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: my personal relationship with that group. Are you in a

1004
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: lot of people's minds that got the Dan and Shade team? Guy?

1005
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: It's a great question, man. I like me and my

1006
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: publisher talked about that stuff. We kind of like early

1007
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: on because I also do tracks, and I was like,

1008
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to be another track boy, you know,

1009
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: I want to be I want people to know that

1010
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: I'm a songwriter all these things. I think we were

1011
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: just very intentional early on about going we're gonna get

1012
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: in a lot of different camps. We're gonna really like

1013
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: try to spread this out. And I think I kind

1014
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: of pride myself in being able to be a chameleon

1015
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: and like whatever room we're in, you know. So I

1016
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: think I'm sure there are like people who are surprised

1017
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: when they come in there, Like I thought you were

1018
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: just like the pop country dude, and we write like

1019
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: a super country song or something like. I think that

1020
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: has definitely been a fear of like, I don't want

1021
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: to just be the pop country doude, especially a time

1022
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: where pop country is not cool right now. You know

1023
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: it seemingly it's like I think in the writer's room,

1024
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, just having those relationships to their writers. I

1025
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: don't think that's necessarily I could be wrong, though, that

1026
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: could be the eternal optimist of me. You know, it's

1027
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: funny about pop country, and you're right, but it's still

1028
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: circles all the way back. We're talking about a minute

1029
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: ago or forty five minutes ago. Is that okay? Pop country?

1030
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: Let's say it's not cool because it is not cool. However,

1031
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: just like I said, there's no sensible it's still the

1032
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: most consumed. It's still but nobody's coming up going. I'm

1033
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: a huge fan. It's like the weekend. Do you ever

1034
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: meet somebody it's like on the biggest weekend fan. No,

1035
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: but you know, strange, like crazy the freaking weekend. I

1036
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: looked up Khaleg the other day, like I don't feel

1037
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: like I've heard I mean, you have heard his songs recently,

1038
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: but like he has like fifty million monthly listeners on Spotify.

1039
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who love it, but

1040
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: there's just no need for them to scream because they

1041
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: don't feel like anybody is doing them a disservice. Yeah, definitely,

1042
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: and like they already pop country was already on top.

1043
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: It's like you don't have to root, you know, like

1044
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: we don't have to know that you're a fan of Alabama,

1045
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Not this year obviously, but

1046
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: like if you've already done it, you're like, yeah, you've

1047
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: already done it. It's like we talked about with kids.

1048
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: When you have your first kid, people are like, oh

1049
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: my gosh, we're so excited you've announced you having your

1050
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: second kid. They're like, okay, cool, you already had a kid,

1051
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, like that's just gonna happen. Did you get

1052
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: to meet Dolly? No? I didn't. Josh Kerr did he?

1053
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: Like I think he got a tracker on the thing.

1054
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: But no, it would have been sweet, it would have

1055
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: been well, so it could happen. It's amazing to me

1056
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: that she wanted Grammy and didn't even show. I mean,

1057
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: that's that's a power move. You know, you're getting no

1058
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: more powerful than Dolly. It's it's phenomenal. You're going to go, Yeah,

1059
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: we'll go. Have you You've been every time you've been nominated, Yeah,

1060
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: it is. It a pretty cool trip though, dude, it's

1061
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: one of the coolest trips. The last one was weird

1062
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: because it was and Kobe died that day. That day,

1063
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: it was literally we were in the elevator like going

1064
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: down to the main spot and it was like, Kobe

1065
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: Bryant has died in a helicopter crash outside of l A.

1066
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: We're like, what, so we won a Grammy and the

1067
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: pretail by this thing. Walk outside there's just thousands of

1068
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: people out there, just surreal, like, but man, LA is

1069
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: such a magical place. I love going out there, and yeah,

1070
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: it's just such a fun thing. How do you not

1071
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: write the same song. You've gotta find ways to be

1072
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: inspired by new things. That's like what I was saying

1073
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: earlier of like I can't just write super country songs,

1074
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: or I can't just write pop country, or I can't

1075
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: just write pop or Christian. It's like you have to

1076
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: have a well balanced diet and that like inspiration is

1077
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: just like everything, you know, Like when you're trying to

1078
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: get a hit, if you're not inspired by the idea

1079
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: you're writing in the room, or if it doesn't make

1080
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: you just go like, oh my gosh, like, let's just

1081
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: chase it till we do find that. So I mean

1082
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: that that's the easiest way, like finding new sounds, writing

1083
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: on different guitars, I mean, but also still borrowing, you know,

1084
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: like you don't throw the baby out with the bath war,

1085
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: like borrow the things that did work and transplant those

1086
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: into the new songs. You know, Like do you ever

1087
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: find yourself inadvertently pardon the word, stealing a song from yourself? Oh,

1088
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: definitely yeah, And you have to go, oh, well, yeah

1089
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: that's me, but I can't oops. I mean yeah, typically

1090
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: the first person in the room to be like, even

1091
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: if I don't know what it is, I'm like, doesn't

1092
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: this sound like something? And shouldn't we be careful? You know? Um?

1093
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's just natural. I mean, we only have

1094
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: so many things in our brain that our brain naturally

1095
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: goes to. You are you constantly thinking of song concepts,

1096
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: titles and or melodies? Always trying to think of concepts?

1097
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that is the basis of all music,

1098
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: but specifically country music, Like that's the inspiration point. You know,

1099
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: what is the concept that you knew immediately, kept savored,

1100
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: treasured and it turned out to be something. Dude, this

1101
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: is gonna sound like I'm making this up or like

1102
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: rose colored glasses? What are I had the idea for

1103
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: tequila had when I taste tequila, and there's only been

1104
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: a couple of those moments that I was like, this

1105
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: is definitely a song. I had that and then um,

1106
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: in the same time period, I had an idea called

1107
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: what Keeps You Night that was on the Dana Sha record.

1108
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: It was like the only outside song on that, Like

1109
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: you just get a feeling because it feels like I

1110
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: can already see the song, like I can see the

1111
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: whole thing from looking at the title. Um, it wasn't

1112
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: my title, but ten thousand hours was like that for me.

1113
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: Dan said that title. We did like a writing trip

1114
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: before the Grammys in l A, I guess in twenty

1115
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: nineteen whatever year was, and he had thrown out that

1116
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: title in the room and nobody bit on it, and

1117
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I am obsessed with that title.

1118
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: I forgot about it. Like three months later, We're right

1119
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: with Jesse Joe Dillon, and I was like I've got

1120
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: this title ten thousand hours, and I was like, do

1121
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: we have to write that? Like that is? That is

1122
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: a smash? I don't even know however, way we do that,

1123
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: like we will make sure it's right, you know. Like,

1124
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: but there's only a few of those kind of songs.

1125
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like, why do you think certain songs

1126
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: resonate within yours with within oneself more than others, because

1127
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: you're thinking of all of them, Like, what do you

1128
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: think it is? I mean, it could be so many.

1129
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: I think it's nuanced. We haven't said that in a while.

1130
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: I think it's time bring back. What's so tricky is

1131
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: like something that really inspires you may not inspire me

1132
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: or vice versa um or you I might just not

1133
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: catch the vision for it or whatever. But like, I mean,

1134
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: it's probably because it's reminding us of something else we

1135
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: love and we don't quite know it. I mean, most likely,

1136
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: it's like when you see someone on the street and

1137
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, that person is really attractive. It's like, oh,

1138
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: it's because it looks like my cousin. Well, that's a

1139
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: weird life you live. I was trying to pull on

1140
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: the and then you went there, good, good, good. You

1141
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: get in a room with a new songwriter somebody like

1142
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: this person is really great. You should spend some time

1143
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: with them, and they say, Jordan's and what do I

1144
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: need to know about this town? And this like help

1145
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: me out because and it's somebody that you see is

1146
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: raw but really good. What do you tell that person

1147
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: because I'm sure this has happened to you many times? Um,

1148
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: what's crazy is you kind of already can tell. And

1149
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: I always felt this way, like coming up like people back, oh, dude,

1150
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna have hits, no problem, And I'm back, well

1151
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: that why don't you tell the artist I'm writing with

1152
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: that Like I can't get a you know, hit to

1153
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: say in my life. But like there's a certain like

1154
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: personality type and talent level that like even if they're

1155
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: not quite there, you can be like that person is

1156
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: going to do it. So it's not it's like less

1157
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: even like giving specific advice. I think about. There's this girl,

1158
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Carpenter. She's a new um artist in town. Everybody's

1159
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: been talking about her. She's amazing, is it? And I

1160
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: wrote her the first time and I was just like, yep,

1161
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: she's got it, like she has she has the personality

1162
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: to do it. She's got the look, she's got like

1163
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: all the things amazing writer. And I was like, we

1164
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: don't really have to tell you anything, just like keep

1165
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: your head down and keep writing songs. Don't be um,

1166
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: don't be upset if you're not getting in the rooms

1167
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: that you want to get in. Um. Things that I

1168
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: have to still tell myself is like, sometimes you're still

1169
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: just not ready. That doesn't mean you're not talented enough,

1170
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: but it might mean you don't have the skill set

1171
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: that you need. It's like the amount of times I've

1172
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: written a song and the next week I'm writing with

1173
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: a new artist and I'm like, or with an artist

1174
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: that I've been trying to get in with. It's like

1175
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: I just learned this little trick that now is going

1176
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: to be in this song, and I'm like, oh, what

1177
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: if I hadn't written this song today to get me

1178
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: prepared for that. Like that's a close example, but like

1179
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: just be okay, like waiting it out a little bit,

1180
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: if that's what it means, Like you want people to

1181
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: be excited to get in the room with you, But

1182
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: that's advice you said. You don't have any advice to

1183
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: tell them and then you said I don't have anything.

1184
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: But here's what I would say. You did say it.

1185
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: That's great advice. I lied, Yeah, I definitely lied. What's better?

1186
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: It's okay to lie here what's better songs? So it

1187
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: is okay to lie? Absolutely? Okay, good, Yeah, most of

1188
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: this has been alive. By the way, I'm not even here.

1189
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: This is a recording of me Mike's pushing a button

1190
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: ball wall a wall. It is compressive. Yeah, it's difficult

1191
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: for me to talk to a wall though. That is

1192
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: that is It's difficult, but it's impressively technology. Um, what

1193
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: was the question better songs? Yeah? So um started with

1194
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine wh's actually my lawyer, Sam's Chase Neely,

1195
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: and I just like, I love talking about songwriting. I

1196
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: could just talk about songwriting forever. And um, my buddy

1197
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: Chase has actually done this kind of program with a

1198
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: few other people, like authors and stuff and kind of

1199
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: like the master class kind of feel, but this is

1200
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: geared towards new writers. Um, just like getting your footing

1201
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: and like just going deep into like actual things things

1202
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: that like you wouldn't have to really tell a new

1203
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: writer who's already signed. It's like going past the point

1204
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: of what you think you need to explain and explaining

1205
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: that stuff like here's rhyme schemes. Here are the simple

1206
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: rhyme schemes. You know, kind of starting in that that world. Um,

1207
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: but I'm just like passionate about songwriting. I love songwriting

1208
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: that much. They're like, we're just gonna throw a bunch

1209
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: of you and you can just talk and talk about songwriting.

1210
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: And I was like that sounds great. So yeah, we've

1211
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: been doing it for it's about a year now. We

1212
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: just kind of started this subscription part of it. But

1213
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: I got to interview a bunch of my good friends

1214
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. Just recently into like a well week long

1215
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: virtual semit thing. I have to do like podcast kind

1216
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: of thing and talk to all these people about song Right.

1217
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: It's just so fun for me. I love it. And

1218
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: that's a Better Songs dot com bet com. What's that

1219
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: gonna run me? Uh? For you make a deal? You

1220
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: can also follow on Instagram at Better Underscore Songs Underscore.

1221
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: This is a really softball question, but a real answer.

1222
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: What is your favorite song that you've written that you're

1223
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: most proud of and it it could be forced for

1224
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: a success, It could be for something that took you

1225
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: a year to actually finish, or it could be a

1226
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: message I don't I don't really care, and I'm actually

1227
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: vamping to give you time to think right now. Yeah,

1228
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: it's so, it's it's such a broad question. But what's

1229
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: your favorite song that you've written. It's difficult because favorite,

1230
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, like, I'm just attaching all these feelings to

1231
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: these things and the song talk about a softball answer.

1232
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: The song that really I do feel that way about

1233
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: is Tequila. Like it's to me like the best representation

1234
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: of what I love to do, you know like, and

1235
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: just like simple and make somebody feel something, you know like,

1236
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: and the fact that it was my first thing I

1237
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: feel like people that was always like a fear of

1238
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: mine in a weird way. I didn't think about it

1239
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: a lot, but like I had buddies who had hits

1240
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: early on, and they just like weren't proud of them

1241
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: like we do like writer's rounds, and like, I'm not

1242
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: gonna play that song. I'm like, dude, it's a hit.

1243
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: People love this and they're like, I just don't. I

1244
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: don't think it represents me that well. And I was like, oh,

1245
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: I hope I don't have one of those, you know,

1246
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: So it's so fun like having I feel that way

1247
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: about I mean, all the hits, but like specifically Tequila.

1248
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: It's like it's just so sick being like, I'm so

1249
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: proud of how this song turned out. Dan crushed the production,

1250
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: Like the piano thing is my piano that I created

1251
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: in logic, like when I first started doing tracks, and

1252
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: now know that like that was the reason I created

1253
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: that piano was to be in Tequila, you know, like

1254
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: just wild. You know that kind says I'm super proud

1255
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: of that song. I think I always will be too,

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01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean realistically, And this is not the eternal optimist

1257
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: to me because even as I'm saying, I don't believe it,

1258
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: but it's like when I die, it'll probably be like

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01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: Jordan Reynolds, songwriter of Tequila, you know, like that realistically

1260
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: will probably be it. I don't believe that because I

1261
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: can't exist that way. But um yeah, which song was

1262
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: the most tedious to finish of your hits? That we

1263
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: would know? That is a great question. Honestly, probably speechless

1264
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: because we were so into the records. He was already done,

1265
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: the album was done, like he was about ready to

1266
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: turn it in. Dan texting me like nine pm on

1267
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: Thursday night was like, hey, I got this last idea.

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01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: I just remember being very like we combed through that

1269
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: stuff so hard, like just to make sure because we're like,

1270
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this is our last shot. If if this

1271
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: is not going to beat anything on the record, this

1272
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: song disappears, so like, let's make sure this is it.

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01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny because I try to not think

1274
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: of it as work. You know, it's hard to remember.

1275
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: And but we've been doing a lot more rights recently

1276
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: where we break it up into two days and we

1277
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: like let it be tedious, you know, like in a

1278
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: good way, so you don't force all right, guys, it's

1279
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: three o'clock. We we gotta finish it. Yeah, you just

1280
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 1: purposefully you go, we're not going to finish it today. Yeah,

1281
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: Oh that's there. Yeah. I like that. There's there's been

1282
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: a little too much empasis on success being finishing a

1283
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: song in a day. The efficient part of me doesn't

1284
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: like it, but I like it the creative side of

1285
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: me because I'm running dual dual sides here, like I'm

1286
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: running business, but I'm also like I have be super creative.

1287
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: The creative side of Me's like, oh, I'm not supposed

1288
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: to finish to days. I just I can relax and

1289
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: get to that place where I'm my most creative, Like

1290
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: that's great. Oh yeah, and I'm a three on the Instagram,

1291
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: which is the achiever, which means I like to finish

1292
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: things like and so it's a good exercise for me

1293
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: to go. It's okay to take a break and step

1294
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: away and go let's hear with fresh ears, Like does

1295
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: that really hit? Like we think it's hitting, you know,

1296
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: like how can this be elevated? How can that second

1297
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: verse even better than when we think it is? Just

1298
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: from listening again, you know, getting away from it. What

1299
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: do you want to say now about Dan and Shade

1300
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: and music? You've've written some stuff and yeah, man, I'm

1301
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for this new phase for them. I think, like,

1302
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, as things have got more country, Like if

1303
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: there is anyone who just is a genius when it

1304
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: comes to figuring out music industry stuff is Dance Mars,

1305
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: Like he's he's known it and no he's not perfect,

1306
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: nobody's perfect, but like he has such a like gauge

1307
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: on what's happening, Like I think the next album is

1308
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: gonna be so sick. He's been playing me stuff and Okay,

1309
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said it because I wasn't saything about record.

1310
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, cool, yeah, you're you're in the mix. Then good. Yeah,

1311
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say that, or I was gonna then say,

1312
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I didn't talked to Dan

1313
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: in weeks. We were at a charity event together and

1314
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, we'll record, you know, just so yeah, great,

1315
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: good things are happening. I think it's gonna be really good.

1316
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, it's so funny you thinking

1317
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: about Danna say, like we think of them as pop country.

1318
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: You can listen to the Dan Chase self to out

1319
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: elements like it's not really that poppy. It's still full

1320
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: band and you know, like it's just not that big

1321
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: of a departure. But the songs are great and I

1322
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: think they're fired up. Say sounds better than he's ever

1323
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: sounded in his life, which is even difficult to believe

1324
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: that he could sound better than he does. But are

1325
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: you fired up? Are you excited? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I'm sticked.

1326
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't want you to give an answer here, don't

1327
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: be specific, but you ever get a song back to

1328
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: your written and you're like, oh, that's what they did

1329
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: with it, not even them, but anybody. Oh yeah, I

1330
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, man, I feel it's it's few and far between, thankfully. Um.

1331
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: That's part of the reason I got into doing tracks

1332
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: and stuff was to be able to have a little

1333
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: bit of influence in that world. But like I would say,

1334
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: by and large, like I trust the Nashville producers, and

1335
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: if like we also have the report with now that

1336
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: like I think I could, they might ask like hey,

1337
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: like where they're gonna ask for tracks, they're gonna do

1338
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: something that we're I'll still have some influence. I'm not

1339
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: typically worried. There have been a few surprises. Are you

1340
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: working on anything solo? Uh? I mean I'm always kind

1341
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: of like dabbling for fun. It's not like the thing

1342
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: I prioritize. Really, I've been trying to write solo and

1343
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: think like what would I just do? You know, But

1344
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind, I'm always like, who

1345
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: could this be for? You know, it's just gotten too

1346
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: easy righting other people. So now you're you're like leveling up,

1347
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: like go on level four, Donkey Kong. That's where it's

1348
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: jumping right by myself with one year Yeah yeah, yeah,

1349
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Well listen, man, i I'm just I'm a

1350
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: big fan. I guess I'm a big fan of you

1351
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: personally because I just have so many people that are

1352
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: in both of our I don't have a very big circle.

1353
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: I stay pretty private. But when you have people that

1354
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: you really value and they also value somebody, you then

1355
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: value them through association and just appreciate and just know that.

1356
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: That's like a good dude. And so you've always kind

1357
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: of been that, even though we've not spent any time together.

1358
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: So I was excited that you were coming over today.

1359
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: And can I tell you the first time I gained

1360
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: some serious respect for Bobby Bens By the way, I

1361
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 1: would love to hear this story. I'm always weird about

1362
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: it because I want to hear it, but I don't

1363
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: want to, but I don't. Can actually the awkward? But no,

1364
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: this is good. Have we ever met? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1365
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: so this is this is that story. Okay, this is

1366
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: a great story. Okay, read and it can be tell

1367
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: the whole truth. Even make me look good. This makes

1368
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: you look great, honestly, what makes you look really good?

1369
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: So week of I mean, this is this beenen when

1370
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: that self titled album came out and Danna say this

1371
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: is gonna I don't know if I'm allowed to say

1372
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: this is my might break the rules here, see behind

1373
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: the curtain here. But so Dana were doing a week

1374
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: of album released with Bobby Bones albums coming out on

1375
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: whatever Friday. Every day they're coming in and playing so

1376
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: Dan and she asked me, will you just come play

1377
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: keys with us? Were really like cus Well, We're like, hey,

1378
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: they're actually gonna film along one day. That's the part

1379
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: that no one's supposed to. It's okay, infod listen to this.

1380
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: I let him know we recorded stuff in debate. Appreciate that. Yeah,

1381
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: you can cut it off. So, um, we show up

1382
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: with four outfits. You know, it's four days. So we

1383
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: do the first one. I'm wearing like all black, and

1384
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: we finished and we're like, all right, let's get ready

1385
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: for the next one. And I was like, all right,

1386
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: what should I wear? And you kind of chimed in.

1387
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: You're like, man, are you just gonna be You're sitting

1388
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: in the same spot and I was like yeah. He's

1389
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: like You're like, dude, don't worry about it. Just you

1390
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: can keep the same thing on. I was like, are

1391
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: you sure, Like, like, dude, yeah, it doesn't matter. It's

1392
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: all good, you know, just like totally chill. And I

1393
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: was like, all right, cool, So Danna sha change. We

1394
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: get set up. We rolled the second one. We're going

1395
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: it's the next day. You know. It's like, hey, everybody,

1396
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, Bobby Bones here whatever. We got Danna Shay

1397
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: and again, and they're like, yeah, we're gonna play this

1398
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: song speech less. We actually wrote with our buddy here

1399
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: and you go hold on his saying, this guy back here.

1400
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: He was here yesterday, right, And they're like, yeah, yeah,

1401
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: he's here. He's like he's wearing the same outfit that

1402
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: he wore yesterday. And I was like, I didn't even

1403
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: have a mic. I couldn't respond. And I was like,

1404
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: you dog, I was like instant respect. I was like, man,

1405
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: that that is that's funny. That's the next level comedy.

1406
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: That's funny. I mean, I'm laughing at that. I don't

1407
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: remember out that was funny. Bro. It was like, all right,

1408
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: I think I could hang with this from on enjoyment.

1409
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: That's classic. It was awesome. I've told that a lot

1410
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: of people's funny. I don't think I knew what to expect,

1411
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: Like I just I was just like stoked to be there,

1412
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 1: and so I think the fact that that happened, I

1413
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: was like, Man, he's a good dude. That's a good dude.

1414
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: He's got it, he's got it. Oh that doesn't like

1415
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 1: me saving a kid from a well or something. That

1416
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: turns out to me, Yeah, that's that is great. Well,

1417
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: you guys follow Jordan Jordan K Reynolds. I'm a big fan.

1418
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: You are remarkably warm to be around. Like from from

1419
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: the minute I walked in and we sat down. I've

1420
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: done this enough times in one form or the other.

1421
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: Either I click with someone, I can click with someone,

1422
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: or I don't and we get through it. But like

1423
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: you're easily You're just a guy that I think you

1424
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: just like you. Thanks, super talented, you don't have to

1425
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: be likable. Um, I've really enjoyed the last hour we've been.

1426
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: We've just over and I've really enjoyed it. So thanks

1427
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: you were that last time you're here, though, So it's

1428
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: kind of weird. I'll probably again wouldn't be funny. I

1429
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: every time I see him now, he's just in the

1430
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 1: same clothes as the kind of make it a point.

1431
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: I'll keep it with me just in case. Around into you.

1432
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: What are you doing the rest of the day. Uh, well,

1433
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: we're about to head to Texas. So my sister in

1434
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: law's wedding. Okay, let's say congrats to Caitlin. You know, well, congratulate.

1435
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: By the time you hear this, you'll be married. Caitlin. Congratulations.

1436
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're getting married. I knew all these years,

1437
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: I said, I said to Jordan, I said, when Caitlin

1438
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: finds him. And when I mean him, I mean Jack Jack.

1439
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 1: You might have even said, yeah, why I said Jack

1440
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: or Jackie boy, I can't remember j j Um. I

1441
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: knew it was him, Caitlin. And so congratulations. This is

1442
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: gonna last a long time. And wait till you hear

1443
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: the song Jordan wrote just for you. He was playing

1444
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: it for me on the phone. So at the wedding

1445
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: them play yeah, Jordan, thank you, buddy. You guys follow

1446
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: at better underscore songs, underscore and at Jordan Kay Reynolds

1447
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: and I think anything else, Mike, We're good, all right,

1448
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: We're good. There is is Jordan Reynolds