WEBVTT - See No Evil

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<v Speaker 1>Santiago is the Stadio Nacional. It's normally a cauldron of sound,

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<v Speaker 1>a NonStop, throbbing sea of red as Chileans cheer on

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<v Speaker 1>their national team La Roja. When the Chilean national team

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<v Speaker 1>is playing. I mean, it could be a World Cup match,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be a Cope America match, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>a friendly, an exhibition, and it is like a national holiday,

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<v Speaker 1>a World Cup qualifying match in a soccer mad country

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<v Speaker 1>like Chile. But even the most festive holidays to shame, wild, emotional,

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<v Speaker 1>full of anxious anticipation. So you would have expected a

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<v Speaker 1>Studio Nacional to be erupting this November day in at

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<v Speaker 1>stake for Chile a final spot in the upcoming FIFA

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<v Speaker 1>World Cup. But the stadium was practically empty. It's wooden benches, barren.

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<v Speaker 1>The utter absence of fans of voices was a testament

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<v Speaker 1>to the absurdity of the situation that was unfolding. Samuel

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<v Speaker 1>Galvez remembers watching the game at home on a black

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<v Speaker 1>and white TV that was unbelievable. Was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>the stadium full of people, but nothing like that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing like that happened. Oh my goodness, Dressed in their

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<v Speaker 1>traditional red tops and royal blue shorts, the eleven members

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<v Speaker 1>of Laroja were ready to go. They lined up at

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<v Speaker 1>the center of the field. The Chilean national anthem blared

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<v Speaker 1>over the speaker system. The players seemed relaxed, confidently waving

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<v Speaker 1>to the few thousand supporters that had turned out. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a perfect South American summer day for soccer. The

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<v Speaker 1>only thing missing the other team, the eleven players from

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union. We're nowhere to be seen. Now. You

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<v Speaker 1>might think you need an opposing team to play a

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<v Speaker 1>World Cup qualifying match FIFA in ninety three, It turns

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<v Speaker 1>out did not so. In the referee blew his whistle.

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<v Speaker 1>The Chilean team made nine passes. None were particularly crisp

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<v Speaker 1>or under control. The Chilean squad looked like a group

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<v Speaker 1>of friends at a park. If you watch the video,

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<v Speaker 1>you can almost see them giggling at the bizarre kabuki

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<v Speaker 1>theater they were acting out as they casually worked the

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<v Speaker 1>ball across midfield and deep into their opponent's territory. The

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<v Speaker 1>Chilean captain, Francisco Valdez, ever so calmly kicks the ball

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<v Speaker 1>into the unguarded net Just thirty seconds after the opening kickoff,

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<v Speaker 1>the referee blew his whistle and called the match. The

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<v Speaker 1>game was over. The scoreboard made it official. Chile one

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union nil for the first time in nearly

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<v Speaker 1>a decade. La Roja was heading back to the World Cup. Yea,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen anything like that since. You know, a

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<v Speaker 1>team have to score a goal without the opponents on

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<v Speaker 1>the pitch, and that's how it ended. And this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>weirdest forfeit ever. Chilean American John Gonzalez says the absurdity

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<v Speaker 1>of the match is etched in his mind when we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the situation with the Soviet Union. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a political event, that was something that was beyond the sport.

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<v Speaker 1>Chile's military dictator, General Augusto Pinochet was no doubt celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>his brutal regime had dodged the bullet all thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>the lords of soccer. To understand what led to this

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<v Speaker 1>empty net goal, this force of a World Cup qualifying match,

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<v Speaker 1>and why FIFA pimped out one of its games to

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<v Speaker 1>prop up a violent authoritarian regime, you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>back a few years before sports and global politics met

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<v Speaker 1>on the pitch in Santiago. I'm Connor Powell. This is

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<v Speaker 1>episode seven, Seeing No Evil. On this faithful September morning,

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<v Speaker 1>the buses in Santiago were more crowded than usual. The

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<v Speaker 1>passengers were in a foul mood, nudging and pushing each

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<v Speaker 1>other for a little extra space. Some even hitched the

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<v Speaker 1>ride on the outside, standing on the buses bumper comfort

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<v Speaker 1>at the expense of safety. A nationwide strike had been

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<v Speaker 1>called in the summer of three by truckers, taxi drivers,

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<v Speaker 1>and middle class shopkeepers. The transportation system was paralyzed, the

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<v Speaker 1>economy was a wreck. Chileans were fed up and frustrated.

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<v Speaker 1>The country was broke. No food, no mail, no nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Samuel Galvez, an American Spanish language radio host who

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Chile as a teenager. He remembers his

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<v Speaker 1>homeland as a stable, middle class country, and yes, they

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<v Speaker 1>were passionate about soccer. Chili had its problems, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside the capital Santiago, the country was poor and what

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<v Speaker 1>wealth there was was distributed unevenly. But it wasn't an

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<v Speaker 1>economic basket case or political tinder box either, but it

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<v Speaker 1>had become one by v three with a little outside help.

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<v Speaker 1>The strike causing The traffic on this particular September morning

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<v Speaker 1>was aimed squarely the Socialist government of President Salvador Allende.

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<v Speaker 1>The Doctor Agende was a very nice politician, but west

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<v Speaker 1>nice when he was in the opposition. When he took

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<v Speaker 1>the power, that was a mess, absolutely a mess. Allende

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<v Speaker 1>had been elected three years early on a promise to

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<v Speaker 1>redistribute wealth more fairly. The Soviet Union had sensed a

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<v Speaker 1>new potential ally in the Americas, they made overtures, and

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<v Speaker 1>almost overnight Moscow and Washington opened a new fronts in

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<v Speaker 1>their Cold War. But Allende's agenda was struggling. You cannot

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<v Speaker 1>buy uh, cigarettes, bread, moder anything except if you have

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<v Speaker 1>the ration card. That's that was very difficult. To tackle inequality,

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<v Speaker 1>Allende created new food and health programs for the poor,

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<v Speaker 1>similar to the ones launched by his good friend Fidel

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<v Speaker 1>Castro in Cuba. Allende expanded a plan to redistribute land

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<v Speaker 1>to rural families and a nationalized key industries like copper

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<v Speaker 1>mining and banking. These sectors had long been dominated by

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<v Speaker 1>American and European companies, and these masters of industry seethed

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<v Speaker 1>at Allende's audacity. They warned that the Marxists would soon

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<v Speaker 1>control not just Chile but all of South America. Allende

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<v Speaker 1>is really screwing us. Now, that's US President Richard Nixon.

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<v Speaker 1>He and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger saw pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much everything that was an American style capitalism as a

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<v Speaker 1>warning sign of creeping communism. The Soviets, they feared, were

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<v Speaker 1>always lurking around the corner. If Allende should win the

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<v Speaker 1>election in Chile and then you have Castro in Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>what you will in effect have in Latin America is

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<v Speaker 1>a red sandwich, and eventually it'll all be read. Kissinger

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<v Speaker 1>urged Nixon to move against Allende. I would go to

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<v Speaker 1>a confrontation. According to historian Brenda Elsie, Nixon took the

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<v Speaker 1>advice the United States government, particularly Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon,

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<v Speaker 1>immediately start to plan a coup attempt. The CIA began

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<v Speaker 1>funneling millions of dollars to Chilean opposition groups, encouraging strikes

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<v Speaker 1>to destabilize the country. Nixon vowed to make the Chilean economy,

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<v Speaker 1>in his own words, scream by the morning of September eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three. That faithful September morning, most of Chile was

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<v Speaker 1>in a foul mood, and like the passengers crammed into

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<v Speaker 1>those overflowing buses, their elbows were growing sharp. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>when had happened. And then on September eleventh, nine three,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bombardment of the presidential Palace. La Moneda Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force planes flew low over the presidential Palace and dropped

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<v Speaker 1>their bombs with deadly accuracy. In the early hours of

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<v Speaker 1>September eleven, the Chilean military had seized control of the

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<v Speaker 1>TV and radio stations throughout the country. The general's demanded

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<v Speaker 1>Allende resign. The socialist president's economic policies had been shredded,

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<v Speaker 1>in part by a not so covert Cia campaign, but

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<v Speaker 1>even after the bombs dropped, he refused to hand over

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<v Speaker 1>power as tanks and soldiers supporting the military coup took

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<v Speaker 1>control of the streets of Santiago. I end A made

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<v Speaker 1>one last radio address, long long lived, the people, long

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<v Speaker 1>moved the workers. On my last words, Salvadora Yende talks

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<v Speaker 1>about the tragedy of democracy being destroyed, that he still

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<v Speaker 1>has faith in workers in the working class. By four pm,

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<v Speaker 1>the streets of Santiago were quiet. Soldiers controlled all the

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<v Speaker 1>key spots the mill. Harry was now in charge Presidential palace.

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<v Speaker 1>Bomb that day continued to burn. The pungent smell of

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<v Speaker 1>the day's violence, burnt carbon and metallic sulfur. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what if you've smelled it lingered over the city. Then

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<v Speaker 1>came the news and SALVADORI and dies. A witness claims

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<v Speaker 1>he took his own life with an a K forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven given to him by Fidel Castro, but no one

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<v Speaker 1>really knows. As quick and violent as the coup had been,

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<v Speaker 1>its brutality was nothing compared to what was about to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>In the days following the coup, soldiers rounded up thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of Chileans, workers, students, politicians, and artists who were arrested

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<v Speaker 1>and imprisoned. In the fall of it was dangerous to

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<v Speaker 1>be a supporter of Salvador, and military death squads roamed

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<v Speaker 1>the country. Chileans were arrested in mass imprisoned, killed in Santiago.

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<v Speaker 1>Bodies floated in the currents of the Mapocho River each morning,

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<v Speaker 1>victims of killings. The night before, the US race to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize the new ruling military junta led by General Augusto Pinochet,

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel Galvez remembers the confusion and horror each day brought,

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<v Speaker 1>and the desperation people felt trying to stay alive. Suspicion

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<v Speaker 1>was everywhere. Chileans were forced to whisper to each other,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to clean any shred of information about a missing

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor or family member. Hey, do you know that guy

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<v Speaker 1>who used to leave at that corner? The Secret Service

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<v Speaker 1>came and took it, and we don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the issue. The main issue among the many who

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<v Speaker 1>were arrested in the days after September eleven was the

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<v Speaker 1>famous Chilean folk singer Victor Horror. His hands were smashed,

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<v Speaker 1>his interrogators mocked him. They demanded he played the guitar

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<v Speaker 1>with his mangled fingers. Horra defiant until the end, instead

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<v Speaker 1>sang a Chilean protest song at the top of his

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<v Speaker 1>longest Horror's body, riddled with bullet wounds, was dumped and

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<v Speaker 1>displayed outside of sports arena stadiums throughout the country, overflowed

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<v Speaker 1>with prisoners, their lights always on, the screams piercing the

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<v Speaker 1>US back regime. They didn't even try to hide what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening, The military government in Chile said today it

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<v Speaker 1>executed six so called extremists over the weekend and promised

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<v Speaker 1>the same fate for others, and thousands of people out

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<v Speaker 1>of favor with the new regime are being held prisoner

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<v Speaker 1>in the stadium. That stadium, a Stadio Nacionale, home to Laroja,

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<v Speaker 1>was packed with so called subversives. There, the military junta

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<v Speaker 1>tortured and killed anyone deemed to be an enemy of

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<v Speaker 1>the state. Even Chile's famous soccer players went into hiding,

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<v Speaker 1>afraid their long hair and mustaches would brand them as radicals.

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<v Speaker 1>Leonardo Valley's, one of Laroja's captains, spent days trying to

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<v Speaker 1>track down an uncle who had been taken to the stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>while the team's doctor, Alfonso Reis, was brutally tortured for

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<v Speaker 1>his Communist beliefs. Hugo Lepe, a retired player and leader

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<v Speaker 1>of an important soccer union, disappeared. Other players, like Carlos Kazili,

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<v Speaker 1>would spend months trying to free family members. Foreigners were

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<v Speaker 1>also rounded up. Among the thousands taken to the stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>two british Men, Richard Barber and Adrian Jansen. Brutality. You

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<v Speaker 1>could see people kneeling. Long row of people kneeling with

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<v Speaker 1>the legs widespread, with their hands hype out their heads.

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<v Speaker 1>One of these men or three of these men were collapsing.

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<v Speaker 1>As they collapsed, they were beaten or kicked or trampled

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<v Speaker 1>onto to get them up again. In the west, example

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<v Speaker 1>I saw was about eight men coming in one by

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<v Speaker 1>one to urinate, and after that they were gunned by

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<v Speaker 1>it very heavily, into the back, into the shoulders and

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<v Speaker 1>into the stomach and ribs by carabineros. We saw one

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<v Speaker 1>of these men next day in the cell. They seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to have been very heavily worked over. Barbara and Jansen

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<v Speaker 1>were released shortly after the queue, traumatized but alive after

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<v Speaker 1>more than a century. Chilean democracy was far less fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>with American help, Marxism had been defeated there, but so

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<v Speaker 1>had democracy In Chile. Democracy had become a casualty of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cold War between the Eagle and the Bear. As

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<v Speaker 1>the world watched the violence and a once vibrant democracy crumbled,

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<v Speaker 1>Chile's national soccer team, Laroja, was preparing for one of

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<v Speaker 1>its most important matches in decades. In a twist of fate,

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<v Speaker 1>Laroja was set to play the Soviet Union No. Longer

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<v Speaker 1>a friend and now a political foe. Their match with

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<v Speaker 1>the side the final spot in the FIFA World Cup,

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<v Speaker 1>But after seeing the carnage across Chile, the Sylviets threatened

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<v Speaker 1>to boycott the game, demanding FIFA move the match away

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<v Speaker 1>from the stadium that was still dripping with blood. Why

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<v Speaker 1>didn't FIFA listen? The answer to that question is a

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<v Speaker 1>stain on the organization, as the lords of soccer cast

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<v Speaker 1>their lot with Pinochet, giving the dictator the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted most of all. The Nationalist Stadium is a

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<v Speaker 1>horrific place to be. The prisoners. You can see some

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<v Speaker 1>of them on the bleachers, blood, urine, and God only

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<v Speaker 1>knows what else, staying the walls and floors, moaning, crying.

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<v Speaker 1>The crackling sound of electricity echoed down the long corridors

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<v Speaker 1>until it was drowned out by the screams ere a

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<v Speaker 1>piercing the sounds someone makes when they're hit again and

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<v Speaker 1>again and again with fifteen thousand volts from a cattle prod.

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<v Speaker 1>The lights and the makeshift prison cells were always on,

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<v Speaker 1>so too were the lights in the stadium. With their

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<v Speaker 1>hands tied behind their backs, the prisoners sat there day

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<v Speaker 1>and night, listening to the sounds of torture from the

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<v Speaker 1>benches they once sat in to cheer on Chile's national

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<v Speaker 1>soccer team. The prisoners being held in a Stadio Nacionale

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<v Speaker 1>were accustomed to seeing soldiers in their crisp green uniforms

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<v Speaker 1>with a little black patch on their left chest declaring

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<v Speaker 1>Army of Chile and the rifles the prisoners knew all

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<v Speaker 1>too well with the strike from the butt of a rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt like they were also familiar with the journalists who

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<v Speaker 1>were regularly paraded through the makeshift prison. But who were

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<v Speaker 1>these men? What were they doing inspecting the grass pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>A few prisoners tried to call out from underneath the bleachers, udonos, udonos.

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<v Speaker 1>They pleaded for help. The well dressed soccer officials didn't

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<v Speaker 1>stay long and left without making eye contact. The men

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<v Speaker 1>were a small group of FIFA officials who had traveled

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<v Speaker 1>to Chile to inspect the pitch at a Stadio Nacional.

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<v Speaker 1>The fierce international debate about the final World Cup qualifying

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<v Speaker 1>match between Chile and the Soviet Union had been raging

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<v Speaker 1>for weeks. Here again, Brenda Elsie Soviet's refused to play

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<v Speaker 1>in the stadium citing all of the reasons. Our comrades

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<v Speaker 1>have just been tortured and killed in the stadium. We

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<v Speaker 1>do not want to legitimize this government, and they refused

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<v Speaker 1>to play it. Reports of the torture and abuse have

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<v Speaker 1>been circulating in Western press and amongst soccer officials for weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Italian powerhouse inter Milan had even canceled a friendly match

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<v Speaker 1>with Chile because of the violence. FIFA saw what was

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<v Speaker 1>happening and went ahead anyways. Elsie was granted access to

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<v Speaker 1>FIFA's archives for her own research. FIFA knows what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>They are getting dozens of letters every day from different

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<v Speaker 1>people within football organizations, from club members, from citizens, from

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<v Speaker 1>people that were in exile throughout Europe, throughout the world,

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<v Speaker 1>writing to FIFA to say, please don't legitimize this government,

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<v Speaker 1>Please don't play this match. Legitimacy is exactly what the

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<v Speaker 1>military junta craved. Recognition from the Green Gooes in Washington

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<v Speaker 1>and London wasn't enough. Pinochet wanted no, he needed global

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<v Speaker 1>respect and who better than the lords of soccer, the

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<v Speaker 1>captains of the World Cup to bless his new regime.

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<v Speaker 1>He sends the team with a letter to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen four World Cup to Basically, the letter's intention

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<v Speaker 1>is to assure everyone that things are wonderful and peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>in Chile and that they're open for business. FIFA's then president,

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<v Speaker 1>Stanley Rouse might have believed soccer could be pure, free

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<v Speaker 1>of world politics, a sanctuary from the Cold War, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was no avoiding the brutality of the Pinochet regime.

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<v Speaker 1>To play a match in Santiago in a Stadio nacional

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<v Speaker 1>would be to ignore the violence of the coup to

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<v Speaker 1>sanction it. The Soviets, no strangers to political violence themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>offered FIFA a way out. They requested the game we

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<v Speaker 1>moved to a neutral country. This surprised and irritated Rouse,

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<v Speaker 1>FIFA around the World Cup, not its member nations, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not the Communists over in Moscow. Privately, many European

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<v Speaker 1>countries also argued the match should be moved. Rouse relented,

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<v Speaker 1>but only a bit. In the days before the match

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<v Speaker 1>was set to kick off, Rouse promised to send a

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<v Speaker 1>delegation to Santiago to investigate the claims that a Stadio

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<v Speaker 1>nacional was unfit to host a World Cup qualifier. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the same Stanley Rouse who investigated the South African

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<v Speaker 1>apartheid regime and concluded it wasn't racist those guys inspecting

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<v Speaker 1>the grass pitch the FIFA officials prisoners called out to

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<v Speaker 1>these were those guys. Here's British soccer writers to Horsefield

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<v Speaker 1>and historian Brenda Elsie to explain with those officials, Saul

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<v Speaker 1>and ignored. The delegation are actually made to wait two

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<v Speaker 1>days by the Chilean all thorities while they well, while

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<v Speaker 1>they clear out the stadium for the FIFA visit. They

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<v Speaker 1>clear out the stadium literally, have to pose the blood

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<v Speaker 1>off of the walls and other human excrement and everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>With most of the prisoners relocated to another torture site.

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<v Speaker 1>The few that remain were held at gunpoint and after

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<v Speaker 1>crying out, ordered to stay quiet. The FIFA visit takes

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<v Speaker 1>place while there's dissidents down in the bowels of the

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<v Speaker 1>changing rooms, right of the bowels of the stadium. FIFA

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<v Speaker 1>look at the pitch, they look at the stands and

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<v Speaker 1>not as much as they do, and they see nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's political prisoners who are about probably gonna lose their lives,

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<v Speaker 1>probably not a hundred yards away, but it's because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not looked for or because they don't want to look

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<v Speaker 1>for it. It's not seen, it's not communicated by FIFA's

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<v Speaker 1>inspection lasted less than twenty minutes. Somehow they didn't notice

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<v Speaker 1>what was happening, or they didn't care, and they declared

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<v Speaker 1>the Stadio Nacional fit for competition. So FIFA since a

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<v Speaker 1>communicate back to Stanley Rouse, everything's okay, the game should

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead. It lands at the feet of a particular

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<v Speaker 1>delegate named Renee Court. His quotation at that time was,

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<v Speaker 1>when asked about Chile, was quote, we are not concerned

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<v Speaker 1>with politics or what regimes are ruling a country. End

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<v Speaker 1>of quote. Rouse issued an ultimatum to the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 1>play or forfeit. How could they defy him? Nobody walks

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<v Speaker 1>away from a spot in the World Cup, And as

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<v Speaker 1>is so often the case in such matters, FIFA claimed

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<v Speaker 1>to be above politics, not to be taken sides, But

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<v Speaker 1>in the issuing of that ultimatum, it took the side

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<v Speaker 1>of a ruthless dictator. Even they still refuse to accept

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<v Speaker 1>the politics has a part to play, and they mandate

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<v Speaker 1>that the game goes ahead. But the Soviet Union don't

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<v Speaker 1>travel Moscow said, no, I know, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>give too many, perhaps to the Soviet Union in this

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<v Speaker 1>period when it is itself committing crimes and human rights abuses.

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<v Speaker 1>But this decision is a good one, it's the right one,

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<v Speaker 1>and they withdraw. But FIFA to create, a game must

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<v Speaker 1>be played, a goal must be scored, as if the

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<v Speaker 1>history books could somehow be deceived, and the torture chambers

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<v Speaker 1>just a race. Once the game goes ahead and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a scoreline. Technically it's a footnote in the World Cup

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<v Speaker 1>qualifying campaign. It's not a result that needs explaining with

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<v Speaker 1>an asterix. It's a It's a football result, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>how FIFA wanted their game to be, and the qualifying

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<v Speaker 1>nature of the World Cup to be. At the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, FIFA, by refusing to take sides, had

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<v Speaker 1>given Pinochet its blessing and that's all he really ever wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>Section eight. At a Stadio Nacional, the warped wooden benches

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<v Speaker 1>stand out like a battered ship and a sea of

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<v Speaker 1>red modern seats. A rusted out metal fence surrounds them.

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<v Speaker 1>It almost looks like it could fall at any minute.

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<v Speaker 1>At first glance, Section eight seems so out of place.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they run out of money while they were doing construction.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they forget to finish the job. But it isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake. They sat in those benches, the sons, the daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>the brothers, the sisters, mothers and fathers who were held prisoner,

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<v Speaker 1>tortured and murdered in a Stadio National in the fall

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<v Speaker 1>of Chileans have never forgotten what took place there, and

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<v Speaker 1>they've never forgotten the game FIFA made them play. It's

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<v Speaker 1>something that really not just that match, but that era

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of left out a conversation many of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again, journalist John Gonzalez. There's such a passion of

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<v Speaker 1>soccer in my family, but I can be honest, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never heard anyone discussed that match. It's hurtful, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really anytime I talked to a Chilean about it, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be a family member or a friend, you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell that it's definitely something. I don't know if embarrassment

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<v Speaker 1>is the right word, but I guess shame. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of shame around that incident today. No matter how exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how amped up a crowd is for a game,

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<v Speaker 1>that hunting monument, those warped wooden benches behind the North

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<v Speaker 1>Goal are there always there, the ghosts that never leave

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<v Speaker 1>Chilean's don't have to speak of the horrors to remember them.

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<v Speaker 1>That is really a stain, it's a black eye. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's because that incident was beyond soccer. And

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<v Speaker 1>while FIFA would like the world to forget its involvement,

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<v Speaker 1>its decision, it's ultimatum. Samuel Galvez says, the pain can't

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<v Speaker 1>be erased. What can I say it try to forget

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<v Speaker 1>the circumstances. It's like somebody kill your mother and say, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>forget it. When it comes to FIFA's pardon this. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's fair to pin this all on Stanley Rouse, a

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<v Speaker 1>British colonialists who saw the world through the eyes of

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<v Speaker 1>white Victorian privilege. But five years later, FIFA faced a

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<v Speaker 1>similar dilemma, another moral test of what it means to

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<v Speaker 1>promote the beautiful game to an eager world, and that

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<v Speaker 1>decision made in Argentina wasn't made by Rouse. FIFA I

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<v Speaker 1>had a chance to do better and it absolutely failed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's coming up next on the Lords of Soccer. The

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<v Speaker 1>Lords of Soccer Al FIFA stole the Beautiful Game is

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<v Speaker 1>an Inside Voices media production in conjunction with I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>The series was written and executive produced by Gary Scott

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<v Speaker 1>and me Connor Powell. Special thanks to gizli Rossi for

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<v Speaker 1>helping me with the trickiest of the Brazilian names. If

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<v Speaker 1>from j. C. Swaddick and Jake Blue Note. Alec Cowen

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<v Speaker 1>is our associate producer and Jeffrey Katz was our story editor.

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<v Speaker 1>Our fact checker is Alexa O'Brien and thanks to Miles Gray,

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