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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology with

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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Poulett,

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Speaker 1: and I am the tech editor here at how stuff

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Speaker 1: works dot Com. Sitting across from me, as he always does,

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Speaker 1: is senior writer Jonathan Strickland. Hey there, all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: why don't we just go ahead, get the formalities out

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Speaker 1: of the way and start this off with a little

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Speaker 1: listener mail. This listener mail comes from Justin. He says, Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm fourteen and love the show. Don't worry, I'm making

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Speaker 1: sure this isn't long like some of your others. So

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Speaker 1: how does Pandora Internet radio work like with the amount

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Speaker 1: of skips and stuff? Thanks for the show, it's awesome, Justin, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Justin. We decided we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Pandora Radio and the underlying structure behind it, the Music

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Speaker 1: Genome Project, because it's pretty cool. Yeah, the Music Genome

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Speaker 1: Project is pretty key to this whole thing. Um. Because

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Speaker 1: there are a number of different kinds of internet radio

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Speaker 1: stations out there. Pandora is just one of them. Uh,

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Speaker 1: some of the other's famous ones that people are probably

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Speaker 1: Um Radio one Lama maybe that one is not familiar

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Speaker 1: to me, Fine Tune, and of course Spotify, which we

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Speaker 1: have yet to see in the United States. And then

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Speaker 1: there's some others that are not internet radio stations but

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Speaker 1: also will deliver music to you via the web, things

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Speaker 1: like La La oh wait, that's gone well La La

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Speaker 1: went to apple Land is what I went to. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's true at any rate, So internet radio. The interesting

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Speaker 1: thing about Pandora is that it kind of sprung out

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Speaker 1: of the idea of how do you find new music

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Speaker 1: just finding new music, because that's that in itself is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily that hard, but finding new music that kind

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Speaker 1: That can be kind of a challenge. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: they're there are sub genres in every single one of these. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And just because you happen to like someone who has

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Speaker 1: and be equally as enamored. So Pandora Radio kind of

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Speaker 1: which uh uh is fascinating to me. The idea is

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Speaker 1: and that by breaking down other songs and getting their attributes,

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Speaker 1: similar they are, Like how many of the qualities does

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Speaker 1: that's the basis of Pandora Radio. Yeah, I can actually

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Speaker 1: maybe not now. Um. It does take human beings, however,

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Speaker 1: listening to it for different things, UM, different styles of music.

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Speaker 1: I think internet radio is really good for that, and

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