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Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth

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Speaker 1: generation warfare.

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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.

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Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Pisobic.

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Speaker 4: Christ Is King.

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Speaker 3: All right, folks, Jack Pisobic, we're live here.

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Speaker 1: Human Events Daily, Phoenix, Arizona. Charlie Kirk Studio joining me

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Speaker 1: first time, first time in person.

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Speaker 3: Mike Cernovich, Yeah, we we took the trip out.

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Speaker 5: What miss what miss charge moraile.

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Speaker 2: For the world.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you being here man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, and everybody. I think everybody has to everybody

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Speaker 5: has to come together. And that was what Charlie was

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Speaker 5: good at, was great at because you think about how

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Speaker 5: many people Alex Clark Channel you have all these twenty

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Speaker 5: four and they're.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh okay.

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Speaker 5: This is the iteration of Charlie that always existed. Whereas

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Speaker 5: with you or me like no, or you know, talker

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Speaker 5: here earlier. No, this was a young man in a hurry.

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Speaker 5: This was a young a young man of ambition. And

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Speaker 5: in addition to the Christianity and moral grounding of it,

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Speaker 5: I just wish more people, especially younger men, would would

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Speaker 5: take away that message where this was a young man

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Speaker 5: in a hurry. He was starting wherever he could. He

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Speaker 5: wasn't thinking give me all of this free stuff. Because

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Speaker 5: you see this online a lot of times guys like,

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Speaker 5: why don't I have the six figure job?

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Speaker 2: I don't have this, dude.

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Speaker 5: Charlie didn't have this. And Charlie was a uniquely talented person.

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Speaker 5: Charlie was hitting up Foster. Freeze wasn't an elevator for

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Speaker 5: fifteen grand or seventeen grand. I think the story goes

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Speaker 5: where Charlie did an elevator, Pitch gets his first few checks,

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Speaker 5: and then Charlie I.

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Speaker 6: Think it was a stairwell, like he like blocked him

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was seventeen grand or fourteen grand, but

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Speaker 5: it was it was somewhere in that range.

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Speaker 6: And Charlie was his whole guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: Foster, who's this guy?

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Speaker 6: It's like security but no, it's like all right, and

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Speaker 6: people Foster listen to him.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing too, is that because people missed

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Speaker 1: this too, that.

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Speaker 6: Charlie would be generous of this platform.

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Speaker 1: And and that's something that you don't see a lot

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Speaker 1: where someone gets a platform and then it's like boom,

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Speaker 1: this is me this is all about me and I.

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Speaker 6: But Charlie's never about that. And Plus, because Charlie, this

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Speaker 1: I was having a conversation with h when I starded

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Speaker 1: CNN last week, first time, first time, and and she

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Speaker 1: was nice.

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Speaker 6: She was nice off camera.

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Speaker 1: I thought she was fine on camera and people thought

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Speaker 3: I don't think she's doing a gotcha.

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Speaker 1: And but I said something, I said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: sistering with the Charlie just generationally speaking, he wasn't gen Z.

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Speaker 6: He was close, but he wasn't gen Z. He still

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Speaker 6: believed in the.

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Speaker 1: Real world, right, and so that was chapters that was grounded,

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Speaker 1: that was setting up tables, that was being on campus

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the technode notsis that the spiritual affliction precisely taking

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Speaker 5: over the entire country. Even jen Xer tech bro people

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Speaker 5: where they see a beautiful landscape and they go, we

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Speaker 5: away nature, and we know all need to live stacked

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Speaker 5: off like bugs. But now I was saying about so Charlie,

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Speaker 5: you know, he does R and C. He raises money.

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Speaker 5: He was always flying people to things. All people don't people.

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Speaker 5: That's the thing, and that's what frustrates me about all

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Speaker 5: point in time and they don't realize, No, he was

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Speaker 5: flying commercial and he flew all those kids out for

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Speaker 5: the Black Leadership Summit and the White House. That was

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Speaker 5: all Charlie doing it. Ablegs it, that was Charlie doing it.

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Speaker 6: You talk about how many did the events, when he

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Speaker 1: If you were a student, especially if you're a chapter student,

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Speaker 1: you were your ticket was subsidized. Your ticket and your

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Speaker 1: turning point. So he would take donor money and it

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Speaker 1: wasn't like you would put it in his pocket. He

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Speaker 1: up in college, we did nothing like that. I was

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Speaker 1: a I was in the college Republicans, right, and we

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Speaker 1: got like a box.

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Speaker 3: We got like a box from the big party.

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Speaker 1: Say here's your box, and there's like a banner in

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Speaker 1: it and like a clipboard.

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Speaker 6: Oh, thank thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. And then figure it out. So

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Speaker 1: we had no turning point and you just you didn't

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Speaker 1: have that, whereas Charlie. So it's like, where's all the

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Speaker 1: money going, right, where's all the money going Carl Rove

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Speaker 1: and oh Carl Roave, by the way.

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Speaker 3: I love his op ed right, it wasn't them, It wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Them talking about Yeah, seriously, let's let's call that the

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Speaker 1: first commandment of this thou shalt not take Charlie Kirk's

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Speaker 5: And that and that was again the big threat that

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Speaker 5: Charlie poses people. People think that they can be isolated

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Speaker 5: in an island and they're logged online and that the

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Speaker 5: brain becomes reprogrammed, it becomes.

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Speaker 2: The worship of Noss.

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Speaker 5: This is a spiritual own it that I think the

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Speaker 5: greatest spiritual affliction people have is not being embodied anymore

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Speaker 5: and they're connecting to the internet and then they get

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Speaker 5: a little bit of fame. And that's what you see

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Speaker 5: Charlie never fell into was when Charlie built things out,

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Speaker 5: all he could think about was how he could build

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Speaker 5: out everybody else, from if you're a college kid, a

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Speaker 5: high school kid, to even if you're a big name.

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Speaker 3: Hold that thought right back.

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Speaker 7: Through every storm, every moment of uncertainty.

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Speaker 3: Everybody needs to pray for Charlie Kirk. Right now, Rev

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Speaker 3: has stood strong.

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Speaker 6: We're not going to tolerate this stuff anymore.

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Speaker 3: Turn that anger into motivation, save this nation.

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Speaker 7: When we move together, there is power.

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Speaker 5: The cries of this widow will echo like a battle crime.

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Speaker 7: This is more the news.

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Speaker 6: It's a movement, this revolution of people taking their countries back.

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Speaker 7: A turning point, a chance to be part of something

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Speaker 7: greater than yourself. Scan the QR code and stand with Rav.

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Speaker 7: The story isn't over, and neither is your part in it.

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Speaker 7: Step in, be counted, be heard Together. We are rap.

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Speaker 8: We will achieve American greatness, and we are just getting started.

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Speaker 2: Nothing will stand in our way, and our golden Age

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Speaker 2: has just begun.

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Speaker 4: This is Human Events with Jacosoba.

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Speaker 1: Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first

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Speaker 1: truly means.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Second American.

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Speaker 1: Jack Sobick back live Charlie Kirk's studio, Turning Point USA.

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Speaker 1: You're looking at the vigil right now out front. I'm

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Speaker 1: here in studio in my seat, of course, not in

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Speaker 1: Charlie's steet that's empty, but next to Charlie's empty seat.

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Speaker 1: We got Mike Cernovitz joining us now in the studio

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Speaker 1: for the very first time.

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Speaker 3: Mike.

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Speaker 1: We've been going through all this, and one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite things about you is that you can go small

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Speaker 1: and you can go deep, but you can also go wide,

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Speaker 1: and your big picture view is always so interesting to

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Speaker 3: Where are we at right now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot of it is energy and vibe and

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Speaker 5: feeling it and the cosmic shift when that happened, when

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Speaker 5: that was already forming. Of course, when Charlie died, it

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Speaker 5: crystallized a moment for everybody that it seems trite, right like,

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Speaker 5: there in years now when you're younger, the people be like, oh,

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Speaker 5: And then a lot of people, especially young people realize like,

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Speaker 2: This is a guy that I.

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Speaker 5: Was just watching and he's gone and he had everything

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Speaker 5: going for him. The next moment isn't promised for me

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Speaker 2: But it's easy.

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Speaker 5: us with our curiosity.

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Speaker 5: On Buddhism, and go read that book on Christianity and

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Speaker 5: maybe that's flawed. What what about Catholicism? What about Orthodoxy?

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Speaker 5: And you're endlessly lost in curiosity and that's where the devil,

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Speaker 5: He came for Charlie Kirk, who is a better person

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Speaker 5: And I don't get into this. I don't get into ecumenicalism.

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Speaker 5: do a Christian apologetics. But judgment Day is coming quicker

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Speaker 5: than you know. Antichrist is already here, right. Everybody's obsessed

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Speaker 5: Judgment day is coming when you don't know. The second

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Speaker 1: Amen, Mike Cernovich, thanks for being here man, a pleasure.

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Speaker 6: I really appreciate it and see you this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Please go follow Mike.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you're following and getting all of his got

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Speaker 6: If you get time flies, remember you are.

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Speaker 7: These are influences and they're.

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Speaker 1: Jack got a breakdown, All right, Jack Pacobic. We are

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Speaker 1: back live here Human Events Daily. We're in Phoenix, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: the Charlie Kirk Studio. Very honored on to have the

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Speaker 4: Eric Jack, Thanks, thanks buddy, It's great to be on.

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Speaker 1: Well, I I appreciate you coming on and this book

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Speaker 1: you put out, it's I mean, the timing is unbelievable

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Speaker 1: you wrote this book about the siege that your family

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've got to you know, I'll ask you.

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Speaker 1: As awful as it is, I think people are missing you,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Jack, It's the entire premise of the book, right.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they tried to silence us for the last

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Speaker 8: I mean, for an eight year period of time, I

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Speaker 8: the masses. They didn't want Charlie standing on the very

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Speaker 8: stage that he was on. They didn't want me doing hundreds,

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Speaker 8: if not thousands of campaign rallies and all the swing

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Speaker 8: states across the country. You know, Jack, it's that voice

445
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Speaker 8: that got us to win against Hillary Clinton, right. I mean,

446
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Speaker 8: we self funded that campaign. We were at a five

447
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Speaker 8: to one fundraising gap against Hillary without knowing a damn

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Speaker 8: thing about politics, and we somehow knocked her off because

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Speaker 8: we are willing to stand on that stage every day

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Speaker 8: and we could be loud, and we had a presence,

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Speaker 8: and we had backbone, and people liked our message. But

452
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Speaker 8: they wanted to silence us. They wanted to bankrupt us.

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Speaker 8: They raided our homes, They weaponized the FBI, the DOJ.

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Speaker 8: They came after us every single day. They tried to

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Speaker 8: divide our family. They made up the Russia hoax. They

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Speaker 8: impeached my father the first time, they impeached them the

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Speaker 8: second time. They made up slanderous lies about his Supreme

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Speaker 8: Court justices. I got one hundred and twelve subpoenas and

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Speaker 8: I've never done a damn thing wrong. They used every

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Speaker 8: power of the federal government to come after me, after

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Speaker 8: the company that I run.

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Speaker 4: Because my father had constitutional protections.

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Speaker 8: They couldn't hit him in the Oval office other than

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Speaker 8: trying to impeach him.

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Speaker 4: So guess what they did. They came after me every

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Speaker 4: single day.

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Speaker 8: And then I got criticized because I was on Sean

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Speaker 8: Hannity and I said, you know what, They've tried everything

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Speaker 8: and they failed. They failed to take him off the

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Speaker 8: ballot in Colorado, and they failed to take.

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Speaker 4: Him off the ballot, you know, in Maine.

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Speaker 8: And they failed to silence him because when they did,

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Speaker 8: he popped up truth social so he still had a voice.

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Speaker 8: And you know what, Sean, I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 8: they tried to kill him. And Jack I told him

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Speaker 8: that everybody goes, oh Eric's and alarmist. Eric's a conspiracy theorist.

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Speaker 8: But you saw the writing on the wall. And sure enough,

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Speaker 8: six weeks later, yes, what they tried to kill him

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Speaker 8: in Butler. Then they tried to kill him at the

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Speaker 8: golf course. And you saw what they did to Steve Scalise,

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Speaker 8: and you know, you saw what they tried to do

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Speaker 8: to Kavanaugh, you know, and then you saw what they

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Speaker 8: did to your good friends, my good friend, Don's great friend,

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Speaker 8: our family's great friend. They put a bullet because they

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Speaker 8: wanted to silence the greatest movement and the top voices

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Speaker 8: of that movement. And that's exactly that's exactly what this

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Speaker 8: book is about. I started writing this three years three

488
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Speaker 8: years ago, when it was just the legal law fair,

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Speaker 8: and then it got into the violence. And there's never

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Speaker 8: been a book that's rang more true than right in

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Speaker 8: this moment today, after you know what we all went

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Speaker 8: through last week.

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Speaker 1: Oh and Charlie's assassination is just something that I really

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Speaker 1: hope and I'm just gonna say I hope. It's a

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Speaker 1: cliche but turning point for our nation where we refer

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Speaker 1: to the you know, the history of America as pre

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk assassination and after, because we need a response

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Speaker 1: and we can't do this anymore.

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Speaker 3: We can't believe this.

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Speaker 6: Charlie, all you wanted to do is talk.

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Speaker 1: He was the one guy who said I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: here on campus at this time, come on down, and

503
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Speaker 1: if you don't agree with me, I'm gonna put you

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Speaker 1: in the very front of the line. He didn't have

505
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Speaker 1: to do that, and we told him the threats. He

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Speaker 1: knew the threats. He did it anyway. And Eric, that's

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Speaker 1: that's what I think, you know, the same theme that

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Speaker 1: you write.

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Speaker 3: About in the book.

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Speaker 6: They don't want to talk anymore, do they.

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Speaker 8: Well, they don't want to talk. Hey, the bullets are

512
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Speaker 8: only going one way. You know, It's really interesting. I mean,

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Speaker 8: you know, they would call Charlie a Nazi, and they

514
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Speaker 8: would call him a fascist, and they call me a fascist,

515
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Speaker 8: and they'd call all of it, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 8: it was identity politics. But yet, is it really interesting

517
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Speaker 8: that they're the ones that are dressing up in black

518
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Speaker 8: and sitting on top of rooftops with sniper rifle shooting

519
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Speaker 8: over college kids that are celebrating free speech. I mean,

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Speaker 8: you know, it feels like it's a lot more like

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Speaker 8: fascism than, you know, than healthy dialogue where you see

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Speaker 8: these beautiful kids and they're celebrating the fact that they

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Speaker 8: finally have a voice in college campuses because of a

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Speaker 8: guy like Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 4: But it is a turning point. Here's a turning point.

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Speaker 8: Everybody talks about how Charlie only you know, it was

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Speaker 8: the youth movement and that's literally what he.

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Speaker 4: Was focused on.

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Speaker 8: But I had a seventy five year old Jamaican guy

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Speaker 8: come up to me the other day. He pointed at

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Speaker 8: his heart, he goes, I am Charlie Kirk. Eric, I'm

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Speaker 8: sorry for your loss, but I am Charliekirk. And I'm

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Speaker 8: sitting there saying a guy not born in this country,

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Speaker 8: certainly not the age demographic, and he's literally aligning with

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Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk. And then you look at Pretoria in South

536
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Speaker 8: Africa and they've got a march in honor of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 8: And you see millions of people marching in London, across

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Speaker 8: the London Bridge and in honor of Charlie Kirk. And

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Speaker 8: you see the in this country, right, I mean even kids.

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Speaker 8: I have employees who have really literally written me emails

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Speaker 8: and text messages. Hey, my daughter was literally crying. She's

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Speaker 8: seventeen years old. She idolized Charlie Kirk. It was the

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Speaker 8: youth vote, it was the adult vote. It was all

544
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Speaker 8: the same people, all the people that are sick and

545
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Speaker 8: tired of the violence, right, and it is migrating all

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Speaker 8: those people over and it's people all around the world.

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Speaker 8: And so you know, I always talk about unintended consequences.

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Speaker 8: Doing what they did was the greatest unintended consequence. They

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Speaker 8: actually gave Charlie a bigger voice and a bigger platform

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Speaker 8: given what they did to him, then maybe he could

551
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Speaker 8: have ever even had because people realize how dirty, how nasty,

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Speaker 8: how evil these people are. And ninety nine point nine

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Speaker 8: percent of Americans are great people who don't want this nonsense,

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Speaker 8: and wow did it backfire on them? And so I

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Speaker 8: really do believe, you know, Jack, that this is I mean,

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Speaker 8: this is a turning point. There's just no question about it.

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Speaker 8: This is a turning point.

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Speaker 3: No, there is. Eric, can we hold you over.

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Speaker 1: We've got a quick break, but I'd love to hold

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Speaker 1: you over if you have a couple of minutes. Great,

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Speaker 1: all right, we're holding on, folks. Eric Trump is with us.

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Speaker 1: He's commenting the death of Charlie Kirk. He's also he's

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Speaker 1: got his new book under Siege, and that's exactly what's

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Speaker 1: going on. Our country is under siege. His family has

565
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Speaker 1: been under siege, and Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk was killed

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Speaker 1: not in an accident and an intentional act of unspeakable evil.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back here.

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Speaker 6: Human events daily through the Marcus Voice.

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Speaker 2: Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he?

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Speaker 4: Jack?

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Speaker 2: I want to see you. Great job, Jack, Thank you,

572
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Speaker 2: what a job you do. You know, we have an

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Speaker 2: incredible thing.

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Speaker 5: We're always talking about the fake news and de bad,

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Speaker 5: but we have guys, and these are the guys who're

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Speaker 5: begetting public.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jack Pisoviec.

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Speaker 1: We're here, Charlie Kirk Studio, Phoenix, Arizona. We're on Live

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Speaker 1: with Eric Trump. We're talking about, of course the assassination

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Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk. Also Eric's book, which you know, the

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Speaker 1: timing is eerie. Under siege, Eric, Where do we go

582
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Speaker 1: from here? Where do we go next?

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Speaker 8: We never stop the fight. We do it in honor

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Speaker 8: of Charlie. We do it because we have the greatest

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Speaker 8: political movement in history, a movement that's saving this country.

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Speaker 4: When I saw Eric out.

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Speaker 8: There the other day, when she did that that press

588
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Speaker 8: conference right after the assassination, I have never seen somebody

589
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Speaker 8: who was more direct, more powerful that That.

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Speaker 4: Was the epitome of strength.

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Speaker 8: And when I hear she was obviously unanimously voted in

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Speaker 8: to continue to run turning point like it puts the

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Speaker 8: greatest smile on my face, and you know, in an

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Speaker 8: otherwise minas of a week for so many people who

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Speaker 8: obviously love Charlie and the movement that he created. But listen,

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Speaker 8: they want us off that stage. They don't want me

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Speaker 8: on that stage. They don't want me to do the

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Speaker 8: thousands of rallies that I did. They don't want Charlie.

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Speaker 8: They didn't want Charlie to do the rallies that he did.

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Speaker 8: They don't want my father on that stage, which is

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Speaker 8: why they took the shot at him. They don't want

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Speaker 8: don on that stage. They don't want you on that stage.

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Speaker 8: I don't want Benny Johnson on that stage. I could

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Speaker 8: keep going down the list of incredible people who have

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Speaker 8: been warriors in this movement. I mean we were like

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Speaker 8: the outcast crew, right, I mean we didn't have the platforms,

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Speaker 8: we didn't have anything. We didn't have the CNNs, we

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Speaker 8: didn't have the ABC's, we didn't have the CPEs.

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Speaker 4: It's again, we put it up being the loudest voice.

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Speaker 4: We ended up being the loudest.

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Speaker 8: So they wanted to stop this movement and we will

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Speaker 8: never ever allow them to stop us. And we'll get

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Speaker 8: on that stage and we'll do so bravely we all

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Speaker 8: know it's dangerous, and we'll honor Charlie and we'll continue

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Speaker 8: to you know, the great his legacy, but will continue

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Speaker 8: the greatest political movement that fights for God and country

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Speaker 8: and constitution and everything that's great about red, white, and blue,

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Speaker 8: and frankly, a country that leads the world and leads

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Speaker 8: priests and prosperity, insaneness.

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Speaker 4: Around the lobe.

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Speaker 8: And we will keep the United States number one superpower

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Speaker 8: in the world.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 6: The book is under siege, Eric Trump, thank you so

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Speaker 6: much for joining us today.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Jack.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, special honor here in studio. And oh

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Speaker 1: come around, Oh come around those ladies and gentlemen. He's

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Speaker 1: destroying the set. Now we have Tucker Carlson joining us. Oh,

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Speaker 1: gin person, Jack.

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Speaker 2: I left my glasses on the set, so I'm glad

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Speaker 2: to be back there.

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Speaker 6: That's the only reason he came back, of course.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, man, Oh, I have so many thoughts.

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Speaker 2: It's been one of those weeks where it's just like

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Speaker 2: you're just right to the edge. Here's what I think.

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Speaker 2: I think that I think that I've spent like three

638
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Speaker 2: or four days feeling rage and confusion, suspicion. You know

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Speaker 2: anger at people. I know, you know, there's basically division.

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Speaker 2: And here's where I've arrived as of last night. I

641
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Speaker 2: flew across the country. Here's I had a lot of

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Speaker 2: time to think.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I should have come earlier, but it

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Speaker 2: was just I couldn't. I don't know, I didn't I

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Speaker 2: should have. But anyway, I think that this, whatever this is,

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Speaker 2: is the face of evil and that's kind of enough

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Speaker 2: for me. It doesn't mean the government doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. Of course they do,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I wish I had more confidence than

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Speaker 2: they will, but I want to push that. But on

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Speaker 2: some level, the deepest level, I don't know how much

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Speaker 2: that matters. What matters is that I know that Charlie

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Speaker 2: was murdered because he was proclaiming Jesus. I believe that

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Speaker 2: he was not a physical threat to anyone. He was

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Speaker 2: a completely non violent person and a truly decent person,

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Speaker 2: as you know better than most, and he killed because

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Speaker 2: of his message. And I think we should all just

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Speaker 2: internalize that. And of course the answer is to proclaim

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Speaker 2: the message louder and to live the message by loving

661
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Speaker 2: other people. And I'm not in any way saying that,

662
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't matter. You know, the details, no matter,

663
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: they very much do, but the big picture matters most,

664
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Speaker 2: and I just want to keep that in mind.

665
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Speaker 1: You know, There's something about how it's like, you know,

666
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Speaker 1: they tried to paint Charlie, you know, the media whatever,

667
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: they try to paint him as this like this, like

668
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Speaker 1: hate monger, nazi, misogynist and all the rest, and then

669
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Speaker 1: you see him on campus and you see him with

670
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Speaker 1: his family, and it's like, this is the nicest guy.

671
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: He's the purest guy.

672
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Speaker 6: And I feel like, in a way that's why he's

673
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Speaker 6: the one they targeted.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course that's why. And by the way, you know,

675
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: that's another thing that I've been thinking a lot about,

676
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: is that the nature of evil is slander. Of course,

677
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: it's it's deception, is lying about other people to harm them,

678
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: and physical violence is the natural out growth of that,

679
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: of course, But fundamentally evil is slanderous, and I should

680
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: probably stop being shocked by it every time I see

681
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: slander because I know a lot of people involved, and

682
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: I'm involved, so I know what slander is because I

683
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: can compare it to the truth, which I know, and

684
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: every single time, I'm like, I can't believe they're saying

685
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: that about you know, somebody, that's slander I'm so shocked

686
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: and angry. It's like, why am I shocked? That's the

687
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: nature of it. And we have an obligation as the

688
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: father of lies. Well, exactly, thank you. That's exactly right.

689
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: Lucifer is the father of lies. That's just true and

690
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Speaker 2: so and I'm not saying that everyone who's slandering somebody

691
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: is satan, but they are tools of evil for sure,

692
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Speaker 2: as we all are from time to time, by the way,

693
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Speaker 2: But I shouldn't be shocked at all. What did you

694
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Speaker 2: think this was. That's the nature of the world. And

695
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: our job is not to marinate in it or stare

696
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: at it like a solar eclipse.

697
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: To the point where we go blind.

698
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: Our job is to fight it with the truth and

699
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Speaker 2: with love, and not abstract love, but actual love, the

700
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Speaker 2: kind that helps other people, that elevates other people, and

701
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: the actual truth, the deepest truth.

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Speaker 1: You know, I got in the wake of the Minneapolis

703
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Speaker 1: massacre because of course, this is not the first act

704
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Speaker 1: of evil that we've seen so far this month.

705
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Speaker 3: And we saw this, this.

706
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Speaker 1: Narrative coming out, and you had like very prominent people,

707
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Speaker 1: including the governor of California, saying don't pray.

708
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Speaker 3: Right, you had this sort of don't.

709
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Speaker 2: Pray message, and that is the message.

710
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Speaker 1: And I don't usually like go to this place publicly,

711
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: but I just said, there's there's too much of this,

712
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: and I came out, I said, prayer causes.

713
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Speaker 6: Pain to demons cause pain, of course, this is why.

714
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Speaker 1: And when people gather and when people hold church services,

715
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Speaker 1: when they hold mass, when they conduct gatherings of prayer,

716
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: this causes immense pain, yes to evil and so who

717
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Speaker 1: would want.

718
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 3: You to stop praying? Right?

719
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Speaker 6: And then I said that and that kind of went

720
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Speaker 6: out and media got mad at me.

721
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Speaker 3: I don't care.

722
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Speaker 1: And then when this act of evil happened to Charlie,

723
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: there was a spontaneous call to action. And Charlie was

724
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: of course known for his calls to action. You know,

725
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: we're doing this, we're doing the ballots, we're doing whatever

726
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 1: we're doing. But this was a spiritual call to action

727
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: that everyone heard, right, And what did people do? They

728
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: gathered and prayed completely spontaneously, completely independently, which Charlie would

729
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Speaker 1: have been thrilled about, by the way, But everyone knew

730
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: on some deep inherent level. We need to get together

731
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Speaker 1: and pray right.

732
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Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, physically together.

733
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Speaker 1: And I don't know how you can separate that from

734
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: these ideas that we're in.

735
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: A literal spiritual war.

736
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is playing out, it's spilling over into

737
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: reality now, and it's just so obvious to.

738
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Speaker 6: Me, and we always have no and you can deny it. Well,

739
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 6: it's just like, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I had a close friend who had an alcoholic

741
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: spouse and then got divorced, and everyone was like, you know,

742
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: your wife was a really bad alcoholic and he's like,

743
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: I honestly didn't know.

744
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: I was too close to it.

745
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Speaker 2: And that is a feature of human nature that we

746
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: don't see the biggest things that are the closest to us.

747
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: We just can't see their outlines because they are again

748
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: too close. And I think the nature of the eternal

749
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: battle between good and evil is one of those things.

750
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's always been this way. It's always been

751
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: this way from the beginning of time, and we just

752
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: haven't acknowledged it since nineteen forty five because we imagined

753
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: we were gods because we had atomic weapons.

754
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: But it doesn't make it any less real.

755
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: And so you sort of retroactively go through your life

756
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, that's what that was. I didn't

757
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: even know oh it at the time.

758
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 6: That was the serpent one hundred percent.

759
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Speaker 2: And there's not one of us who can't identify moments

760
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: in our own lives where we've been tools of evil.

761
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: I just want to keep saying that the Christian, the

762
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: core Christian prayer, the Lord's prayer given to us by Jesus,

763
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: at its essence, at its center, is forgive us our

764
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: sins as we figure those who sin against us. Why

765
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Speaker 2: is it in that order, Because in order to forgive,

766
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: it's very helpful to be mindful of our own shortcomings,

767
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 2: our own sins. Yes, we're not in a place to judge.

768
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Speaker 2: We are commanded to forgive as a condition of our

769
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: own forgiveness. So that is kind of the conclusion you

770
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Speaker 2: reach if you're really honest about what's happening, Like, yes,

771
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: this has always been the actual battle. All the nonsense

772
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: that we are mad about is just a manifestation of that,

773
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: and we should see it in those terms because we

774
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: should always be honest, always be honest, And the more

775
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: honest you are, the more courageous you become. You are

776
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: filled with Holy power when you are honest period. The

777
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: truth is, I'm resorting again to cliches and Bible verses,

778
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: but it does set you free when you determine, when

779
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: you make the decision internally I'm not going to lie anymore.

780
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: You become so much more powerful, like you can feel it,

781
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: because it's God's power and one of the things the

782
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: first thing we should be honest about always is ourselves.

783
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Speaker 3: And honesty is always a choice.

784
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: It's a choice choice, it's a decision.

785
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Speaker 3: Got a quick break, yep, hold that thought because that's perfect.

786
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Speaker 6: Well, be right back, So Vic Tucker Carls in Hive

787
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Speaker 6: Me Events Daily. Jack is a great guy.

788
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Speaker 1: He's written that fantastic look and everybody's talking about it.

789
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 4: Go get it that. He's been my friend right from

790
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Speaker 4: the beginning of this whole U and event, and we're

791
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Speaker 4: going to turn her around and.

792
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Speaker 3: Make your gout be quite to give him.

793
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Speaker 1: Jack Pisobik back Live Human Events Daily, Charlie Kirk Studio.

794
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Speaker 1: We're here with Tucker Carlson. We have breaking news.

795
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Speaker 6: Uh and this.

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Speaker 1: Is this is I believe it some kind of filing

797
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Speaker 1: and so so, Tucker, I'd love to get your first

798
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: take on this because we're literally just talking about.

799
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Speaker 3: It, that the.

800
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Speaker 1: Attempted assassin of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, which is one.

801
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Speaker 6: That nobody talks about anymore, or this is the I

802
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Speaker 6: believe this is the one.

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Speaker 5: He was.

804
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Speaker 6: He was outside the house, he had zip ties, he

805
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 6: had a firearm, he was wanting to go in and.

806
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: By the way, multiple zip ties.

807
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: Because Brett Kavanaugh was there with his wife and children

808
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: and standing outside his house. Then something comes over him.

809
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: He called, if I remember correctly, he called nine one

810
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: one on himself and said, come pick me up before

811
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: I do something that I shouldn't do, which is.

812
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 6: Very tied into what we're talking about.

813
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Speaker 3: People captive.

814
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Speaker 1: Actually, he has just he has just come out as

815
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: trends and Nicholas Roski has filed a name change to

816
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Sophia Rosky.

817
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 3: And I'm not.

818
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Speaker 1: Sure I believe it's Maryland, so I'm not sure exactly

819
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: what level of facility he is in. He is being

820
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: represented by a federal public defender for the District of

821
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: Maryland and has petitioned not only for the name.

822
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 6: Change, but I imagine we'll be petitioning.

823
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: For my sex change.

824
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 6: Tucker, why does this keep happening?

825
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: Well, I mean when I was a child growing up

826
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: in southern California, totally secular world at worship Sigmund Freud

827
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: and you know Jonah Salk and those guys never got

828
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: anything wrong, Yeah, the heroes of my youth. The idea

829
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: was that every civilization in history has been super uptight

830
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 2: about sex for irrational reasons, probably because they were badly

831
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: toilet trained, and like, that's all insane and we need

832
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: to there's something bad about sex, and there couldn't possibly

833
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: be a vector for sin, and like what And I

834
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: completely believe that.

835
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Speaker 3: Actually that's the world I was raised in.

836
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: Like I didn't even didn't think that, And my life

837
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: has been a process of realizing that that's totally wrong.

838
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Speaker 2: It's not just the trans stuff, by the way, it's

839
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Speaker 2: all sexual sin. Sex is a direct express root to

840
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Speaker 2: your soul. I mean, that's that's I mean, that's the

841
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: joy of sex as you expose your deepest parts to

842
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Speaker 2: another person.

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Speaker 1: Well, in fact, all the all the seven deadly sins

844
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Speaker 1: are desires that we have that are directly tied to.

845
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Speaker 3: Our soul exactly.

846
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Speaker 1: And then when those desires are over indulged, and I

847
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Speaker 1: don't just mean gluttony, but all.

848
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Speaker 3: Of them really go in the wrong direction.

849
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Speaker 1: So there's like there's there's love agape, sexual love within

850
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Speaker 1: the bounds of marriage to create the family.

851
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Speaker 6: But if that gets over, indulgence becomes flussed.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and there was a reason people were really

853
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Speaker 2: afraid of sex.

854
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: Of course, everyone loves sex.

855
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: Who doesn't love sex, But they understood that it was

856
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 2: like nitroglycerin, like it could cure heart patients, but could

857
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: also blow up the building. You know, it's a volatle

858
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: thing and you have to keep it within certain bounds

859
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: and then chemotherapy, right, exactly, that's exactly right. And you

860
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: know the trans thing is obviously evil. Of course, it

861
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: destroys the people who engage in it. By the way,

862
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: we're not just the victims. The real victims are the

863
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Speaker 2: trans people, of course, because evil flows through people and

864
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: it destroys them as it does. No one gets out

865
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Speaker 2: of that alive. But it's not just the trans stuff.

866
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Speaker 2: That's just the kind of like final you know, it's

867
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: come to fruition, but it's all the sexual sin destroys people,

868
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Speaker 2: and it destroys your society.

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00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: And that's why no.

870
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Speaker 2: Society has ever had the view that was common in

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Speaker 2: La Joye California in nineteen eighty, which is, hey man,

872
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: none of it's a big deal. It is a very

873
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: big deal. It's the biggest deal. Paul talks about this

874
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: quite a bit, not just because he was like sexually

875
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: repressed Pharisee or something, because it's true and everyone's always

876
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: recognized it's true. So we need like a radical rethinking

877
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 2: of how we treat sex. And it doesn't mean judging people.

878
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean hurting people. It doesn't mean putting people

879
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: in prison or anything like that. It means telling the

880
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: truth about what sex is, which is the root of procreation,

881
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: the place the word life begins literally, and so it's

882
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: the most powerful important thing. Marriages without it die of course,

883
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: So it's a good thing, but it can be It

884
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: can destroy not just people, but a civilization, and that

885
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: has happened to ours. There's no doubt in my mind,

886
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: I mean at all.

887
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 6: You look at the nineteen sixties, the you know, the

888
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 6: counter culture, right, this was the first thing you get

889
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 6: rid of God and you massively expand sex, of.

890
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: Course, and you also see it at the heart of

891
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: every you know, violent cult for example, of course, I

892
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: mean the Manson family was all about you know, dropping

893
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: acid and having orgies. The Jonestown cult had sexual weirdness,

894
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: including bisexuality at the core of it.

895
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: That that's just a fact. And like tost Up had

896
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: a lot of critical race theory that people it had.

897
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: A lot of bad things, but just saying that sexual

898
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: perversion it accelerates everything because it gets right to the

899
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: core of people.

900
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: It's an intellectual messes with your It mess with your hormones.

901
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 1: It can mess with your brain, chemistry, you send your.

902
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: Right they're all the physical manifestations something that Okay, yeah,

903
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: but my co author Joshua Isaac, he he had this

904
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: great so he's a trained hypnotist as well, and he

905
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 2: talked about hypnosis and transl like states, and he was

906
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: talking about pornography and he said, what do people do

907
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: when they're watching pornography?

908
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 6: They put themselves into a trans like state of course,

909
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 6: in order to why.

910
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: Don't we treat why I don't understand why conservatives who

911
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: haven't really done a lot no offense to make America better?

912
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: Why not just treat like the people who run only

913
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: fans and the porn site says like enemies because they are.

914
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: Why not just say that, like, why is that so hard.

915
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: If you can't even do that, if you can't say, like,

916
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: turn like a huge number of young American women into

917
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: prostitutes is bad and call out to people who are

918
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: getting rich from it, then what what are you doing here?

919
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 3: Exactly?

920
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: And they're totally incapable of.

921
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: Doing that, And I don't know why.

922
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to attack anybody, but like that's table

923
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: stakes are you kidding?

924
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 6: Like we're supposed to actually be conservative, right.

925
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: Well, if you can't say that people who run only

926
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: fans are bad and they're getting rich on slavery, sex slavery,

927
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: which basically it is, yes, then then what do you

928
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, Go do something else, but like, don't

929
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: be in the commentary business. Don't tell me you're conservative

930
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: if you can't say you porn isn't like a locus

931
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: of evil, way more dangerous than Iran, which is more

932
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: dangerous to America. You porn are Iran. It's not even

933
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: a close call. Stop stop with your bullshit. I don't

934
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: want to hear any more of that. Like I don't

935
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: get whatever. I'm sorry, I'm obviously mad at a bunch

936
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: of trends that are not being addressed adequately. But what

937
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: I'm really saying, is that what you're right? Because oh,

938
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: I know I'm right.

939
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: We can see this direct line between these types of

940
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: top of funnel elements in our society and that are

941
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: by the way, supported and allowed and celebrated in many cases.

942
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 6: Oh I did five hundred, Oh I did one thousand

943
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 6: in one day, I'm going to break your record. And

944
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 6: like the media is like playing into.

945
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: It, all right, but it goes to a larger thing,

946
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: which is like blaming other people. I mean, you know,

947
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: and I would even say this, I'm often attacked for, like,

948
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: you know, focusing on Israel or whatever. Obviously we can't

949
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 2: be controlled by foreign government. That's terrible. On the other hand,

950
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: our problems are not Israel's fault. They're not a Ron's fault,

951
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: they're not Russia's fault, they're not China's fault.

952
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: They're our fault. Actually, they're a fault.

953
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: And that is the truth. Yes, And if you are

954
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: constantly blaming other people, I wouldn't put up that in

955
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: my kids. It might if I say, hey, why did

956
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: you do this? Well because so and so made me,

957
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: Oh stop, that's not allowed in my house, and that

958
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: don't allow that, and.

959
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: That's what Charlie was all about. Yes, it is all about.

960
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: It, and so like if you live in a world

961
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: where people in your high school class are on only fans.

962
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: I'm not attacking those poor people who feel they have

963
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: to do that or been misled into doing it, but

964
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: the people profiting from it are more dangerous and evil

965
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: than Iran, and they're certainly more of an imminent threat

966
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: to your country.

967
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 3: Are you joking?

968
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: It's not even close. So let's just reorient around honesty

969
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: and truth and try to create a meaningful hierarchy of

970
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 2: concern and threat. And the number one threat that we

971
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: face is people becoming bad. That's that's the worst thing.

972
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: You can't have a good country with bad people. And

973
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: all of us have participated in that bad including me,

974
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: and by the way, and we should say that, you know,

975
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 2: the pre nineteen forty five America, It's a Wonderful Life America,

976
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 2: which was made obviously, you know, I think right around

977
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: that timeframe they all understood this.

978
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 6: Those are all called out in that film because they.

979
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: Didn't, so they couldn't tell themselves they.

980
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Were completely understood, Tucker, I could do this for several

981
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: more hours. We'll have to do that at some point,

982
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: but our time is unfortunately up.

983
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 6: You'll be there Sunday.

984
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for coming. I appreciate it, Thanks

985
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: for having me. We gotta do this for Charlie. Amen.

986
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: And that's that's really all it comes down to. And

987
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: and God bless Erica and the strength that she has.

988
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: She's an amazing person and that's real.

989
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: And I'm just so happy that she's Oh yeah, and

990
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: say prayers for her.

991
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a you know, the difficult, you know,

992
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: whatever life is stroubled period.

993
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 3: Amen, ladies and gentlemen.

994
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 6: As always, you have my permission