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Speaker 1: Motherfucking mini episode, mini episode, motherfucking mini ever sel.

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Speaker 2: I really miss my huh Mans. Even though you're come away,

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Speaker 2: I know you ran a better place. Welcome Little Mama's

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Speaker 2: and gentiles alike to another phenomenal episode of My Mama.

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Speaker 3: Told Me, the podcast when we dive deep, deep into

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Speaker 3: the pockets of black conspiracies.

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Speaker 2: And wish finally what to prove the conspiracy theories of

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Speaker 2: you the listeners. My name is David.

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Speaker 3: Bory, I'm liston Carman, and I like that little MLK

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Speaker 3: affect you threw right.

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Speaker 2: I was also singing a little bit on the chorus.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to try to diversify my portfolio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think maybe we should put a

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Speaker 3: little more remixes into into the the intro language.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to be the black weird out.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, untouched territory.

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Speaker 2: I'm that new ship. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the closest thing the black weird al is

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Speaker 3: a little duval right now, So this wide open territory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, I could do a lot

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Speaker 2: with the space. I take their songs and make them.

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Speaker 3: Stupid creep let's we can make that.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is when you make it black, you

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Speaker 2: make it better. That's true.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be soulful. And now we understand where all

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Speaker 3: that creepiness comes from. It's not just white angst.

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Speaker 2: And this is the difficulty of being the black weird out.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too it's too much of a compassionate figure

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Speaker 3: and not just an odd person.

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Speaker 2: I fi weird for a reason. Al Is is Yeah,

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Speaker 2: fully motivated. I understood why. I understand why he did this.

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Speaker 3: Now yeah, complicated, al It sounds like it really should

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Speaker 3: be called truthfully out with a lot of feeling. We

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Speaker 3: have a conspiracy theory, and we we it's a mini

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Speaker 3: motherfucking mini episode. We always talk to the listeners. We

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Speaker 3: listen to read your emails and find out what y'all

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Speaker 3: got to talk about. Again, star will we don't give

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Speaker 3: a fuck about thoughts. Yeah, we we couldn't give a ship,

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Speaker 3: but you you demanded, and here we are. We'll service you.

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Speaker 3: I guess, you greedy little pigs. It was the way

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Speaker 3: you whispered it that I made it feel fucking baty.

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Speaker 2: Low tones. My voice can be quite sinister. It scared me.

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Speaker 3: But but we got an email from a person named

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Speaker 3: Jasmine do you want to you want you're gonna kid?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm read it all right, we got The email

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Speaker 2: was titled is Usher y'all's Beyonce? Hey? Hey, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 2: a queer black woman and I don't have close relationships

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Speaker 2: with many straight CIS men. Sometimes I skip episodes of

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Speaker 2: my MoMA told me if they seem to sis no offense,

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Speaker 2: love y'all. Okay, hey, listen, I think it's a great movie.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to watch Paris Is Burning every night.

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Speaker 3: That's true, Okay, you know what, that's fair. There there

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Speaker 3: are some things that are maybe you go, I don't

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Speaker 3: think this is for me, and I'm not mad that

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Speaker 3: it exists, and and frankly I support it as much

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Speaker 3: And maybe some of these episodes fall in that category

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Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine anyway, I'll say this.

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Speaker 3: I think Rob Hayes takes it personally that you don't

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Speaker 3: listen when he comes on. But but yeah, no, I

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Speaker 3: hear you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Rob does not like it. Watch Front. Yeah, Rob

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Speaker 2: has no specialist called Front anyway, which have Yeah, no

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Speaker 2: offense love y'all. Anyway, Usher comes up on this podcast

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Speaker 2: a lot. I don't know if you realize this and

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Speaker 2: not just and not just current events, you are regularly

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Speaker 2: talking about this man's career and your feelings about him

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Speaker 2: at different stages of your life. I do have one

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Speaker 2: cis male friend, and he is also pretty regularly talking

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Speaker 3: I don't Can we pause for a second.

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Speaker 2: I don't like this.

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Speaker 3: I don't like the way that Jasmine is choosing to

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Speaker 3: not there's nothing sinister necessarily in the way that she's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't. I don't like this one, bitch.

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Speaker 3: There's a condescension, right. I want you to know that.

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Speaker 3: I know you're talking down to me, Jasmine, and I'm

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that's that was that's that's that's that's right. Okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: He's also pretty pretty regularly talking about Usher to me.

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Speaker 2: I texted this theory slash question to him, and he responded,

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Speaker 2: get out of my head. So I assume my mom

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Speaker 2: did something there. Hours later, I was in a lift

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Speaker 2: and the older black mail driver smelled good, wearing a

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Speaker 2: the type a lift driver opened the door for you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the type that.

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Speaker 3: That's the coolest motherfucker that's ever lived.

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Speaker 2: You know, the type for me is like Philadelphia Eagles hat,

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Speaker 2: just smoked a cigarette. That's the type of lift. You know.

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Speaker 3: The type that I get is a motherfucker who already

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you like house, but all right, so we know

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Speaker 2: the type. I assume just an old nice guy. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like. Yeah, was totally silent until an Usher song

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Speaker 2: some tweets about Usher doing some anime shit that I

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Speaker 2: purview of straight men. Yes, the thing your one straight

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Speaker 2: So what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: What's going on here? How does Neo factor into this?

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Speaker 2: Neo put some meat up.

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Speaker 3: Fucking Wait a minute, let's be careful here. You finished

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Speaker 3: the email, because now we're being nasty.

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Speaker 2: You're being yeah, I'm not being nasty compared to Usher Neo.

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Speaker 2: All right, yeah, oh yeah, I get. I understand you

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Speaker 2: want to stand up for me. He seems like a

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Speaker 2: good man. But let's just be for real about this. Okay,

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Speaker 2: is this actually displaced Michael Jackson fandom? Well, all right,

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Speaker 2: now you're being a jerk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jasmine, you gotta you got a shitty attitude system.

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Speaker 2: And if you're gonna be retucative, I think it should

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Speaker 3: But but that just says thanks, yeah, Jasmine, and then shew, yeah, sorry.

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Speaker 2: I got I got weird at the end.

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Speaker 3: What let's just start from the beginning before we we

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Speaker 3: unpack all of the mean things that Jasmine attempts to

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Speaker 3: do you do you think that we have an obsession

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Speaker 2: If? Yeah, possibly, but I think it was I would

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Speaker 2: Usher was a part of the zeitguys, and and you

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Speaker 2: can't really take that away because you think it's CIS

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Speaker 2: as well, you know what I'm saying, Like four dudes

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Speaker 2: soft And that's why we talk about him so much.

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Speaker 2: That's just for ladies, I and not for nothing.

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Speaker 3: I do think Usher was just so fucking cool for

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Speaker 3: a few generations of people that it's hard to pretend

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Speaker 3: like he didn't hold this giant, substantial place in our lives,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like he fucking meant the

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Speaker 3: if you've been a part of anything that Usher continues

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think it's to me, it's more I

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Speaker 2: wonder how old you are, And maybe or maybe that's

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Speaker 2: me being whacked too, but it just seems like if

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Speaker 2: you know, I kind of think the longest, only the

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Speaker 3: I kind of think he's the best of a genre,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like, I think there's a case for it. Yeah, if

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Speaker 3: Qualifying R and B, because I don't necessarily consider Michael

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Speaker 3: Prints ain't R and B.

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Speaker 2: He's his own. So, like, as complicated as it as

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Speaker 2: I'm openly yeah, I'm of that guy. I can't fix it.

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Speaker 2: It's not I'm not like I didn't do because I don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you want me to do? Stop listening

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Speaker 2: That if you could take one from the whole category, you.

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Speaker 3: Will you be there. That's the one I pick, all right,

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Speaker 2: And it's Willy Lynch.

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Speaker 3: Uh, we don't make We got to make that a

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Speaker 2: The design team.

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Speaker 3: We're calling upon you because we have we have new merch.

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Speaker 3: We have very exciting merch that we are now selling

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Speaker 3: and it's it's fucking great. We love it so much.

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Speaker 2: Just sleek, it's sexy. Come on, you want to tell

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Speaker 2: them what we have? Yeah, we have three different types

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Speaker 2: and khaki. Then we have the enamel pen with the

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Speaker 2: alien who has a koofie on it since my Mama

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Speaker 2: told me. And then we have T shirts that say

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Speaker 2: proud little Mama, which is who you are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can buy the merch now, go to my

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Speaker 3: Mama told me dot Merchcentral dot com and we want

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Speaker 3: you to have all the sweet stuff, So get it.

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Speaker 3: But point being, I really do genuinely believe that Usher

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Speaker 3: might be the greatest R and B singer ever. I

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Speaker 3: And so you know, what do you want me to do?

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Speaker 2: Not like him? I can't. I love him too much. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I also really don't think it is I guess what

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Speaker 2: I don't like about this email is you making it

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Speaker 3: Since man like, and it's like Usher is huge, He's

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Speaker 3: pretty big, He's doing the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: It's really it's like to say it's just specifically black

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Speaker 3: There have been less Super Bowl performers than there have

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Speaker 3: been presidents, and Usher is gonna be one of them.

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Speaker 3: Relaxed Jasmine, we are picked? Are we wearing two jerseys?

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Speaker 2: This you have said that a lot of times.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've been clear Bruno's mind, but I am curious

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Speaker 2: Jay, what do I do with all these sweatbands? I

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like he was like ubiquitous with any version

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Speaker 2: He was a nigga big ass clothes to me, someone

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Speaker 2: I don't know you, so, Jasmine, I think by the

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Speaker 2: I don't think he might Beyonce, but a big part

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Speaker 2: I as soon as I said that, I started singing

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Speaker 2: end up. No, I know the songs that's my love.

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Speaker 2: I think is a heavy hitter in the industry. Yeah. Man,

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Speaker 4: She just loves Neil, the nigga with the ball they

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Speaker 4: you can't you just came on caping for it, making

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Gracie Grace, Grace, Grace, she likes, she likes,

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Speaker 3: Well, good for her and Jasmine, good for you for

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Speaker 3: for calling it out. You're so fucking brave to point

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Speaker 3: out that we like Usher. Wowie, Wow, Wow, Jasmine. I

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