1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Good morning. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 3: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 3: stories we're following today. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 4: Karen, we begin with the latest developments on the trade 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 4: front between the US and China. Treasury Secretary Scott Besson 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 4: is proposing a longer pause on high tariffs on Chinese 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 4: goods that would be in return for Beijing putting off 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 4: its recently announced plan to titan limits on critical rare earths. 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 4: As heard live here on Bloomberg Radio, Bessin spoke at 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 4: a Washington news conference. 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 5: Right now, we are currently in a ninety day role 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 5: on the tariffs, So is it possible that we could 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 5: go to a longer role in return for a delay perhaps, 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 5: But all that's going to be negotiated in the coming weeks. 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 4: And Treasury Secretary Scott Besson says there's a very good 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 4: chance travels to Asia to meet with his Chinese counterpart, 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 4: Vice Premier Harley Feng. 19 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 6: And let's turn to a Bloomberg exclusive. 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 3: Now, Nathan sources age Chinese hackers accessed classified UK computer 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: systems for more than a decade. We go to London 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: and get the details. It's Bloomberg's James Wilcock, Good Morning, James. 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 7: Good morning, Karen and Nathan. Politicians in Westminster are locked 24 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 7: in a very public row about if China should be 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 7: designated a threat to national security now. Former British security 26 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 7: officials tell Bloomberg exclusively that hackers from China have been 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 7: successfully accessing classified UK data for a decade. It includes 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 7: private communications, diplomatic communicays, and policy documents. Chinese officials have 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 7: not responded to Bloomberg's request for comments, but the story 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 7: is part of a broader debate about cybersecurity global risks, 31 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 7: with USIT firm f five blooming Chinese hackers for a 32 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 7: recent hack that compromises many Fortune five hundred companies in London. 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 7: James Wilcock, Bloomberg RADIOIM, James, thank you. 34 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 4: And CEOs around the world, including Apple's Tim Cook, are 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: expected to meet with top trade Chinese negotiator Hulley Fang 36 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: and Beijing this week. 37 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: Source to say. 38 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 4: The executives are part of an advisory board for Singhwa 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 4: University School of Economics and Management. 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: That typically gathers every year. 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 4: The sitdown comes at a critical time in bilateral ties, 42 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 4: with the US calling for a response from other nations 43 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 4: to China's curbs on rare earths that were announced last week. 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 6: Let's get the latest now, Nathan. 45 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: On the government shutdown, The White House has promised to 46 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: use the spending fight on Capitol Hill to layoff thousands 47 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: of federal workers, but a federal judge in San Francisco 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: has put those plans on whole. Judge Susan Ilston's decision 49 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: means more than thirty federal agencies cannot send new layoff 50 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: notices if they involve programs that affect unionized workers. About 51 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 3: forty one hundred employees have received pink slips so far. 52 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: The ruling came hours after White House Budget Director Russell 53 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: Vote said the layoffs could reach ten thousand. 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 8: Think of Green New Deal programs at the Department of Energy. 55 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 8: I think the Minority Business Development Agency at Commerce that 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 8: divvy's up business grants on the basis of race. Think 57 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 8: environmental justice at EPA and. 58 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 3: Mine House A budget director, rest Vote spoke on that 59 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk Show. Judge Elson says it appears the Trump 60 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 3: administration is taking advantage of the shutdown to assume all 61 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 3: bets are off and the laws don't. 62 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 6: Apply to them. She set a hearing for October twenty eighth. 63 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 4: Well Meanwhile, Karen, President Trump has confirmed a report in 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: The New York Times that he's authorized covert CIA action 65 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 4: in Venezuela to ramp up pressure on President Nicholas Maduro. 66 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 9: I authorized speak for two reasons, Julie. Number one, they 67 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 9: have emptied their prisons into the United States of America. 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 9: They came in through the well, they came in through 69 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 9: the border. They came in because we had an open 70 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 9: border policy. 71 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 4: And speaking in the Oval Office, the President said he 72 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: also authorized the operation because a lot of drugs are 73 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: coming in from Venezuela. The US has already hit a 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: half dozen boats in the Southern Caribbean that the administration 75 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: says we're carrying drugs. The Times report says the CIA 76 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 4: is now authorized to carry out lethal operations in Venezuela. 77 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: Asked if agents have the authority to take out Maduro, 78 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 4: President Trump said that would be a ridiculous question to answer, well, Nathan. 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: President Trump says he might go to the Supreme Court 80 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 3: to personally watch oral arguments on whether the bulk of 81 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 3: his tariffs past legal muster. The High Court will hear 82 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: arguments next month over whether import taxes imposed by Trump 83 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: or legal. With Trump saying the tariffs are authorized under 84 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: the nineteen seventy seven International Emergency Economic Powers Act, the 85 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit ruled that 86 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 3: the law does not authorize such a sweeping array of tariffs. 87 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 4: All those arguments aren't expected till next month, Karen, But 88 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 4: we are less than two weeks away from the next 89 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 4: FED rate decision, and traders are ramping up their bets 90 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: on more cuts. Bloomberg's John Tucker is here with more. 91 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 4: Good morning John, Good morning Nathan. This is the activity 92 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 4: in the options, Marcus. It shows a build up in 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 4: positioning for a supersize half point rate reduction, either when 94 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 4: the Fed meets later this month or in December. And 95 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 4: that's more than two quarter point cuts now priced into 96 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 4: interest rate swaps. The week's long government shutdown, let's delay 97 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 4: the release of key data on employment and inflation, obviously, 98 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: but when we do finally get it, the traders expect 99 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 4: a deluge of weakness. And those renewed trade tensions between 100 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 4: the US and China appear to have provided further incentive 101 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 4: for traders to hedge for the possibility of half point moves. 102 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 4: You know, Yorkkom John Tucker, Bloomberg Radio. Well, Karen, let's 103 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 4: turn to markets now. Global stocks are on the rise, 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: strong tech earnings are shifting the focus from the lingering 105 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 4: US China trade threat. Keith Lerner, chief investment officer at Truist, 106 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 4: is still bullish on tech. 107 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: You know, this is not a bubblin of view. 108 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 10: We're up about twenty five percent in the technology sector 109 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 10: over the last year. During the bubble period we were 110 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 10: up more than one hundred percent, and the earning power 111 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 10: today is a lot different than them. But there's a 112 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 10: lot of actually still a lot of concern as opposed 113 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 10: to just row optimism, which if you look at that 114 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 10: at the market making new highs, you would expect a 115 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 10: bit more optimism. 116 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 4: It's True's chief investment officer, Keith Lerner. The Nasdaq is 117 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 4: up more than seventeen percent this year. 118 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: Another day, Nathan, and another record for gold right now comes. 119 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: Gold is at four two hundred and forty eight dollars 120 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: in ounce. Earlier this week, JP Morgan Chases Jamie Diamond 121 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: said gold could easily go to five thousand dollars. 122 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 6: Environments like this. 123 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 4: And another company's benefiting from the AI boom. Caare in 124 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 4: Taiwan's semiconductor manufacturing is hiking its projection for twenty twenty 125 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: five revenue growth to the mid thirty percent range. 126 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: We get more from Bloomberg's Tom mackenzie. 127 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 11: I think it's worth emphasizing at a time when people 128 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 11: are questioning whether or not we are in the middle 129 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 11: of an AI bubble, the fact that TSMC has come 130 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 11: through with a record set of profits and not for 131 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 11: the first time, but this is a new record almost 132 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 11: forty percent jump in quarterly profits for the company that 133 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 11: is the biggest foundry, so the maker that actually produces 134 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 11: the chips that are designed by the likes of Nvidia 135 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 11: an Apple. 136 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 4: Bloomberg's Tom McKenzie says the results underscore HOWSMC remains one 137 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 4: of the bigger beneficiaries of a spending spree on AI 138 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: infrastructure that's expected to cross the trillion dollar mark in 139 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 4: coming years. 140 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: And shares of Nesley they're surging this morning, Nathan up 141 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: more than eight percent. The food maker posted a stronger 142 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: than expected increase in quarterly sales and also announced plans 143 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: to slash sixteen thousand jobs just weeks after replacing its 144 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: Chief Executive Officer. Time now for look at some of 145 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: the other stories making news in New York and around 146 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 3: the world. 147 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 6: And for that we're joined by Bloomberg's Michael Barr. 148 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: Michael, good Morning, Good morning, Karen. 149 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 12: President Donald Trump said he terminated the sixteen billion dollar 150 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 12: Gateway rail tunnel under the Hudson River, linking New York 151 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 12: City and New Jersey. The President spoke during a press 152 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 12: conference Wednesday as tense negotiations over the federal government shutdown 153 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 12: drag on. 154 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 9: Not only jobs. I mean the project in Manhattan, project 155 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 9: in New York. It's billions and billions of dollars at 156 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 9: Humor has worked twenty years to get it's terminated. 157 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 12: Senator Schumer says the Gateway project is one of the 158 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 12: most important infrastructure projects in America and called President Trump's 159 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 12: move vindictive and reckless. New Jersey Senator Andy Kim agrees. 160 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 13: I hope the American people see this. We have a 161 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 13: president that has unhinged, somebody that is so clearly not 162 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 13: thinking about what's best for this country, and this is 163 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 13: a perfect example of his willingness to hurt American families 164 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 13: for his own political benefit. 165 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 12: Senator Kim made his comments In an online media post, 166 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 12: President Trump said his administration would look to San Francisco 167 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 12: as the next target of his federal crime crackdown. President 168 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 12: Trump's comments come as San Francisco's crime rates have fallen 169 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 12: in recent months, with the city on track to see 170 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 12: the fewest homicide since the nineteen fifties. Israel threatened to 171 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 12: resume attacks on Gaza if Amas does not go through 172 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 12: with all the steps outlined in President Trump's peace plan. 173 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 12: Hamas returned all twenty live hostages to Israel on Monday 174 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 12: and has sent the remains of seven deceased hostages so far, 175 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 12: leaving twenty one unaccounted for. Tonight, the top three candidates 176 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 12: in New York City's mayoral race will take to the 177 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 12: debate stage Queen's Assemblyman's around Memdani running as a Democrat, 178 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 12: former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo running as an independent, 179 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 12: and Curtis Sliwa running as a Republican. Sliwa said that 180 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 12: he's trying to distinguish himself from his opponents, saying that 181 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 12: Mamdani is a democratic socialist and that if he wins, 182 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 12: we'll see a rise of more democratic socialist candidates running 183 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 12: for elected office. 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The Mariners back home, took an early lead 192 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 14: in Game three, but the Blue Jays scored the next 193 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 14: twelve runs and they won, going away thirteen to four. 194 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 14: Toronto had eighteen hits, hit four home runs. They'll play 195 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 14: Game four tonight ahead of Game three and the NLCS 196 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 14: in LA. The Dodgers lead the Brewers two games to now, 197 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 14: and the NBA season begins next week. And Russell Westbrook 198 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 14: just got a job. His eighteenth season will be with Sacramento. 199 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 14: That's your Bloomberg Sports update. 200 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: Stay with us. More from Bloomberg day Break coming up 201 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: after this. 202 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: Coast to coast on Bloomberg Radio, nationwide on Sirius XM, 203 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 204 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business app. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 205 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. 206 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 4: After days of rising trade tensions between the US and China, 207 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: the US maybe eyeing an off ramp. Treasury Secretary Scott 208 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 4: Besson says the US could pause extend its pause on 209 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 4: one hundred percent tariffs if China puts its plans for 210 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 4: rare earth export controls on hold. 211 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: Besson says those restrictions go too far. 212 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 5: If China wants to be an unreliable partner to the world, 213 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 5: then the world will have to decouple. The world does 214 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 5: not want to decouple. 215 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 6: We want to de risk. 216 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 4: That was Treasury Secretary Scott Bessont at a Washington news 217 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 4: conference heard live on Bloomberg Radio this morning. We're joined 218 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 4: by Bloomberg News Chief Asia correspondent Rosalind Matheson and Roz 219 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: We've been talking for days about the positioning ahead of 220 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: possible talks at the end of the month between Presidents 221 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 4: Trump and She. Could this offer from a Secretary Besson 222 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 4: be that off ramp from these tensions? 223 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning. 224 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 15: Yeah, it will be interesting to see how this is 225 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,119 Speaker 15: responded to, because there's been a rolling series of truces 226 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 15: of ninety days in Scott Bessont, as you were saying, 227 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 15: is floating the idea of a longer extension if China 228 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 15: backs down on some of its rare earth restrictions. But 229 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 15: rare us are really the key point of leverage that 230 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 15: China had in this, you know, obviously because of the 231 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 15: scarcity issue in the US desire to have them. And 232 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 15: so do you use all your leverage just to get 233 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 15: an extension of a trade truth or do you use 234 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 15: it for something more fundamental, which is a proper US 235 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 15: China trade deal. You know, are you willing to pull 236 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 15: back on some of it but not all of it 237 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 15: to get an extension? But if you're China, you probably 238 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 15: don't want to give it. 239 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: All away just for an extension. 240 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 15: You know, China has promised previously also to be more 241 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 15: fulsome with its rare earth and to open this spigot, 242 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 15: and hasn't necessarily done so in practice. And so for 243 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 15: the US also you need to ask are they going 244 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 15: to get something fundamental out of it? So maybe there 245 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 15: is a bit of a window here to at least 246 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 15: get an extension of the trade truth. But more broadly, 247 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 15: you know, China want to use its rare earth to 248 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 15: negotiate a proper trade deal. 249 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 4: To your point, we have seen extension after extension of 250 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 4: the tear of pause, this planned meeting between Presidents Trump 251 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 4: and She, is there a possibility that that could lead 252 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 4: to that broader trade deal that seems to have been 253 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 4: so elusive for the last several years. 254 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 15: We have seen that being the breakthrough. Previously, we've seen 255 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 15: it take Sieging Ping and Donald Trump to sit down, 256 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 15: and they have done that in different parts of the 257 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 15: world and emerge with the trade deal. Those trade deals 258 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 15: have lasted for a while but have descended generally back 259 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 15: after months or years, so that's no guarantee even then, 260 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 15: but you do have a strong personal rapport between Sieging 261 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 15: Ping and Donald Trump. They're both negotiators, They're both very transactional, 262 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 15: and in the minute it might take them meeting to 263 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 15: produce something. And obviously, if you are going into a 264 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 15: meeting that's so high stakes, as US president or the 265 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 15: president of China, you do kind of want to come 266 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 15: out of it with something and you want to be 267 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 15: sure that you're going to be able to do so. 268 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 15: So it does seem as at this point they're all 269 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 15: leaning on the idea that See and Trump need to 270 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 15: get in a room and that's where the magic's going 271 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:58,359 Speaker 15: to happen. 272 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: Just thirty seconds left. 273 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 4: Roswork's acting global CEOs to meet with the top trade 274 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 4: negotiator from China this week. 275 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 2: Could that have any impact? 276 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 15: Well, that would be interesting to see the messaging that 277 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 15: comes from that. 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