Speaker 1: Well up to NFL Daily where we just can't help ourselves.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal back in Los Angeles and thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined by my friend Boots on the ground in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: the host of the p h l Y Eagles podcast.
Speaker 1: It's Bo Wolf. You'll know them and you'll love.
Speaker 2: Them, I hope, So thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to have it. Just felt like we
Speaker 1: need to finish this circle. Bo, Yeah, we need we
Speaker 1: need to close the championship circle. And you've been on
Speaker 1: the show throughout this this Eagles run, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: done talking about this Eagles team, but then they popped
Speaker 1: up in the news. We'll talk a little Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: some stray final thoughts. I want to hear what the
Speaker 1: locker rooms, you know, was like after the game, everything
Speaker 1: post game. We're gonna do a hastily constructed list of
Speaker 1: the best Super Bowl winners since the last time the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl was in New Orleans. It just felt like
Speaker 1: that's a good cutoff. That was that Ravens one because
Speaker 1: leaving that game, that and I am trying not to
Speaker 1: be hyperbolic. Some some of the listeners think I'm hyperbolic.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking is that like the best super Bowl team
Speaker 1: and in a decade. So I had to make a list,
Speaker 1: very hastily constructed. You can help me through that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's start with the Eagles. Just normally, like to
Speaker 1: the victory goes to spoils here bo, But for you,
Speaker 1: the spoils is like a second podcast just hours after
Speaker 1: you get back from Philadelphia when your family is probably
Speaker 1: angry on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got I mean, I got four hours of
Speaker 2: sleep last night, so I'm feeling pretty good. That's part
Speaker 2: of the super Bowl night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah, walking through a little bit. What what
Speaker 1: was the post super Bowl experience like for you and
Speaker 1: for the Eagles? And yes, we are going to get
Speaker 1: to it to Kellen Moore pretty soon. I do want
Speaker 1: to get to that because it's very Eagles related. It's
Speaker 1: the biggest news of the day. He will be the saint,
Speaker 1: said coach. But let's let's go through the Eagle stuff first.
Speaker 2: So the postgame locker room itself was a wild scene
Speaker 2: and and you really appreciate it, right because it's you
Speaker 2: look around the room and as they're all, you know,
Speaker 2: spraying champagne and dancing and they've all got you know, cigars.
Speaker 2: Smokes filled the air, like my clothes still smell like cigars.
Speaker 2: You look around the room and and and everybody has
Speaker 2: a story, right, Like not just the top of the
Speaker 2: roster players like like aj Brown and Jalen Hurts, but
Speaker 2: like the bottom of the roster players like Isaiah Rodgers
Speaker 2: and Orn Burkes guys like that, but all the coaches,
Speaker 2: all the support staff, all the front office people, like
Speaker 2: every single person in there, like this is what they
Speaker 2: go to work every day for. Is a job, is
Speaker 2: a night like this and their families. You know, it extends,
Speaker 2: it extends so far beyond that, like it is all
Speaker 2: in service of and in sacrifice for getting to this moment.
Speaker 2: And so you look around the room and you appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I can only compare it to the the winning Super
Speaker 2: Bowl locker room after the two thousand and Sevenantine Eagles
Speaker 2: won it all, and that one was was a celebration,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't It wasn't quite so boisterous. I would
Speaker 2: say it was a little bit more muted, like Doug
Speaker 2: Peterson gave a little speech afterwards, like there were there
Speaker 2: was no speech to be made this time around, as
Speaker 2: as the music was blaring and CJ. Garner. Johnson's in
Speaker 2: the middle practice squad safety Andre sam I feel like
Speaker 2: was was the star of the show who was like
Speaker 2: really all over the place, and then there's like, you know, A. J.
Speaker 2: Brown was in the middle for a little bit, but
Speaker 2: for the most part, he was just sort of sitting
Speaker 2: in his locker sort of in contemplation and you know,
Speaker 2: talking with a couple members of the training staff, and
Speaker 2: you know, I think it was sort of a reflection
Speaker 2: of he was playing through a lot of pain at
Speaker 2: the end of the season and and probably needed to
Speaker 2: do a lot to get through it. You know, Lane
Speaker 2: Johnson's a little bit off to the side. He's the
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's the veteran here. This is like
Speaker 2: the you know, the cementing of his Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: resume to some degree. But you know, it was it
Speaker 2: was it was fun to watch, it was fun to
Speaker 2: be a part of. And then you know, Big Jay
Speaker 2: journals that that Zach and I are found ourselves at
Speaker 2: the you know, the Eagles after party. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: to me and I wrote about this on all phl
Speaker 2: y dot com. Now in the postgame locker room, Nick
Speaker 2: Sirian is a little bit a little bit more muted.
Speaker 2: You know, this was a player's thing. But you know
Speaker 2: when it gets to two am at the you know,
Speaker 2: at the at the team party, Nick was feeling himself
Speaker 2: a little bit. You know, he goes on stage, he's, uh,
Speaker 2: he's popping lock into uh, you know, buy you a drank,
Speaker 2: and he's he's singing all the words to my prerogative
Speaker 2: And like, if anybody has ever deserved it to like celebrate,
Speaker 2: it is Nick Sirianni because he's been doubted so much.
Speaker 2: And there's a delightful irony here, Greg that you will
Speaker 2: appreciate because you know, they're among the stars who were
Speaker 2: there that night. You know, you've got Shane Gillis is there,
Speaker 2: and Pete Davidson is there. But you know who else
Speaker 2: was there? Bill Belichick? And so Bill Belichick, the guy
Speaker 2: who was essentially threatening and maybe back channeling to take
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni's job thirteen months ago, is there as Nick
Speaker 2: Sirianni is the head coach on top of the world.
Speaker 2: And I think there's a there's a delightful irony in
Speaker 2: that for for Sirianni.
Speaker 1: Now, did they have a moment together? Do you do
Speaker 1: you have any.
Speaker 2: Idea, And I wasn't there. I wasn't there all night.
Speaker 2: I was only there for like the last hour. But
Speaker 2: I don't I don't. I don't think so. But I
Speaker 2: haven't heard, honestly, either way, I can't say one way
Speaker 2: or another.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering if I should hit up our
Speaker 1: our mutual friend for like an invite to that, but
Speaker 1: I was feeling a little cashed out by by like
Speaker 1: one in the morning. It's not my freaking party anyways.
Speaker 1: I was like, I also knew I had a sleeping
Speaker 1: wife and son in the room that would have been
Speaker 1: even more annoyed when I woke them up at three
Speaker 1: or four in the morning. Instead of won either way,
Speaker 1: I did not. I did not have to go. I
Speaker 1: that's funny you mention that. Okay, that's taking us in
Speaker 1: a different direction, But how close do you think that
Speaker 1: ever was the happening, Because the fact that there was
Speaker 1: a conversation between Howie Roseman and Bill Belichick, it's pretty astounding. Frankly,
Speaker 1: that shows maybe it's just them giving him the respect
Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick's sort of back channel, as you're implying.
Speaker 1: But to me, I read that as that's something they're
Speaker 1: considering doing, which is a wild door not taken, and
Speaker 1: they obviously look at the coaching position differently than most organizations.
Speaker 1: You guys have helped inform me of that over the years,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of obvious that they chose these coordinators
Speaker 1: not Nick. So how close do you think it was
Speaker 1: to a totally wild and I'm sure less successful because
Speaker 1: it couldn't have been more successful door number two.
Speaker 2: I don't think that it was ever super close, but
Speaker 2: I did have the framing last year that I think
Speaker 2: if they were ever going to do it, it would
Speaker 2: have been last year because you looked at what they
Speaker 2: did with the coordinators, right, you know, you had Vic
Speaker 2: Fangio and you had Kellen Moore, the most turnkey options
Speaker 2: on the market, right, Because I think they believed in
Speaker 2: their hearts that this was a Super Bowl caliber roster
Speaker 2: and so what they needed was was somebody to keep
Speaker 2: it on the rails. And so the Vic Fangil version
Speaker 2: of a head coach in that situation would obviously have
Speaker 2: been Bill Belichick. Now, I don't think that that would
Speaker 2: have been a you know, a lasting marriage because as
Speaker 2: we've talked about, like this is a GM centric organization,
Speaker 2: I think they would have eventually butted heads as to
Speaker 2: who's in charge of stuff. But my understanding is also
Speaker 2: that this was probably more of a Jeff Lurry fascination
Speaker 2: than Howie Roseman one. Even though I think even though
Speaker 2: I think Hawie Roseman has a good relationship with Bill Belichick,
Speaker 2: I think all indications are that Howie was one of
Speaker 2: the ones who was fighting on behalf of keeping Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 2: I think he thinks they have a good working relationship.
Speaker 2: You know, you could be you could play you know,
Speaker 2: machiavellian and think that it's because it's somebody that he
Speaker 2: knows will sort of just worry about coaching and not
Speaker 2: try to get involved in the front office. And he
Speaker 2: can hire the coaches. But if we want to, you know,
Speaker 2: when we do pivot to Kellen Moore, I think that's
Speaker 2: an interesting part of who has the power here in
Speaker 2: how they go about backfilling Kellen more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that will be telling. And now Syrian, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be like one of the highest paid coaches in
Speaker 1: NFL history, have you not?
Speaker 2: He deserves to be on stage like puffing on his chest.
Speaker 2: He did it. I mean, it's it's unbelievable. I know
Speaker 2: what we will get to like thinking of this team
Speaker 2: big picture, but I mean the truth is they didn't
Speaker 2: lose a game all season long. When Jalen Hurts and
Speaker 2: AJ Brown played the entire game.
Speaker 1: Like now I listen to your post show, I heard
Speaker 1: that one and that's true. And going through this list
Speaker 1: of of the recent champions, I sorted it more on
Speaker 1: just like in a given week, who would you be
Speaker 1: afraid to play in this Eagles team? You know, spoiler
Speaker 1: alert is high on that list. I think the resume
Speaker 1: also matters. And the whole they only lost three games.
Speaker 1: One of them is with Jalen Hurts getting hurt halfway
Speaker 1: through and they blow it all though it was a
Speaker 1: defense that that blew that game. One of them was
Speaker 1: Sakuon Barkley dropping the ball. That that happens. You know,
Speaker 1: every team has a loss kind of like that, but
Speaker 1: they they probably should have won that game. The other one, though,
Speaker 1: I'll push back on it, they got wiped out by
Speaker 1: the Bucks a J. Brown not saving him that game.
Speaker 1: But it's also week four. I think this whole season
Speaker 1: for the Eagles is a Week five Onward conversation, which
Speaker 1: is very similar to another team very high on my
Speaker 1: list spoiler alert, the twenty fourteen Patriots who went to
Speaker 1: and two, and that was the year everyone was like,
Speaker 1: is Belichick losing it? They actually asked him a question
Speaker 1: about Benjing Brady after going to and two, which was
Speaker 1: my friend Tom Kurrd, which was amazing. And you know,
Speaker 1: after that, they were one of the best Patriots teams ever.
Speaker 1: And this Eagles team after they put Cooper de gene in,
Speaker 1: after they just started improving since that week five, were
Speaker 1: one of the best teams ever. I owe. I do
Speaker 1: wonder if part of the reason they wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 1: down the Belichick road is just like they had Fangio
Speaker 1: there and he was their white whale. And it is
Speaker 1: really funny as we transition a little bit, and if
Speaker 1: you have more thoughts on stuff after the game, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to hear it, because that's stuff you have that
Speaker 1: no one else does. But watching, you know, rewatching that
Speaker 1: game and thinking about the game, it's funny how much
Speaker 1: credit Fangio gets deservedly for this defense he build, and
Speaker 1: yet how much the game plan was like not that important.
Speaker 1: He is calling back to a time in the NFL
Speaker 1: when it's not about how look how smart all these
Speaker 1: coaches are. They have to run the fewest amount of
Speaker 1: coverages in the league, and in that game especially, they
Speaker 1: just ran what they ran, Like Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid
Speaker 1: knew exactly what the Chiefs were doing the entire game.
Speaker 1: There was no trickery, there was no blitzing, there's no
Speaker 1: there's barely any like of the the sim pressures or
Speaker 1: even the fancier stuff. They do. Like they're just going
Speaker 1: out and playing like nineteen eighties style defense and they're
Speaker 1: just awesome at executing it. So the coaching and the
Speaker 1: genius to me is in everything that VIC Fanjoe and
Speaker 1: this entire coaching staff did all season long to develop
Speaker 1: these players and kind of get them playing so in
Speaker 1: sync and so fast. They're just they're just one of
Speaker 1: the best defense as ever. I think that's safe to
Speaker 1: say at this point.
Speaker 2: I think so too, And I think certainly in the
Speaker 2: conversation for best defense of the you know, of the
Speaker 2: two thousands, especially if you're looking, you know, week six
Speaker 2: on after they came back from the bye I think
Speaker 2: there are a few important things to unpack their one.
Speaker 2: I mean, they did do something like you know, there
Speaker 2: was some front mechanics that were different. They changed some
Speaker 2: of the linebacker roles just a little bit, but you're right.
Speaker 2: I mean they played like a ton of Cover four.
Speaker 2: They knew that that upfront they were just going to dominate.
Speaker 2: I think one thing that gets maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: underrated and just Vic Fangio came in and fixed this
Speaker 2: defense is the rest of the staff, and that was
Speaker 2: you have to go back to. They go to the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two Super Bowl, they lose that game, and
Speaker 2: not only do you have to replace Jonathan Gannon, you
Speaker 2: have to replace Nick Raalis who leaves as linebackers coach.
Speaker 2: Denard Wilson, who was in charge of the DB's was
Speaker 2: essentially like the guy in waiting and when he when
Speaker 2: he doesn't get the job, he leaves. And so I
Speaker 2: think the Eagles internally felt like last year one of
Speaker 2: the big problems with their team was not just the coordinator,
Speaker 2: but was the staff. And so when Vic Fango comes
Speaker 2: in this year, you know they replaced every position coach
Speaker 2: except for Jeremi Washbur and the outside linebackers coach. You
Speaker 2: get Clint Hurt who goes from defensive coordinator to defensive
Speaker 2: line coach. Bobby King takes over the linebackers, Christian Parker
Speaker 2: takes over the DB's and he's a guy who a
Speaker 2: lot of people feel like is a future defensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: which reminds me. By the way, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you caught this, So this was a very funny moment
Speaker 2: from your show the other night that I listened to Jordan,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to call her out on this. She's
Speaker 2: talking about how young Joe Casper and Christian Parker are
Speaker 2: and her fame of references they're so young, they're the
Speaker 2: same age as me, which is just a huge flex
Speaker 2: on how young she is.
Speaker 1: And then Shook jumped in right away and was like, yes,
Speaker 1: same age as me too, and just like, oh, I
Speaker 1: guess it's just old drag and the Whipperspectors at this
Speaker 1: point on the show. Yeah, I did not appreciate that whatsoever,
Speaker 1: but a fair point that like they replaced every single
Speaker 1: position coach and like Bill, but second, it would have
Speaker 1: been impossible to do a better job with this with
Speaker 1: this team than than Fangio did. All I meant was
Speaker 1: just like that, like they're playing pretty old school.
Speaker 2: It was a I mean, this this game was a
Speaker 2: was a talent out you know, outperforms everything like they
Speaker 2: were just so much more talented than the Chiefs. I
Speaker 2: think my favorite encapsulation of that was, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: so there's the there's there, it's ten to nothing and
Speaker 2: they get that that immaculate drive where it's sack sacked
Speaker 2: kuber Degene pick six, and that that sack sack drive
Speaker 2: was the first time that they rotated in their like,
Speaker 2: you know, B team on the defensive line. And so
Speaker 2: you've got, you know, you've got Joe Tooney at left tackle,
Speaker 2: who's getting like offensive Player of the Year votes from
Speaker 2: from his boys, Like wow, what this? You can't beat
Speaker 2: this guy? And he's getting just run over by the
Speaker 2: third defensive end, rookie third round pick Jylex Sant, who's
Speaker 2: you know, who's an improving player. But like if you're
Speaker 2: just holding up like who's one of the best players
Speaker 2: on this team versus like who's like the thirteenth best
Speaker 2: player on this defense and he's just running them over.
Speaker 1: That's a real thing that happened. Was not covered on
Speaker 1: the show both Tom Brady and was it Rodney Harrison?
Speaker 1: No is Teddy Bruce g I forget which ex Patriot
Speaker 1: voted Joe Toney on their offensive Player of the Year ballot,
Speaker 1: which is just stupid. I mean, he's a really good guard,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it just come on, it was a weakness.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is an example of their biggest issue
Speaker 1: over the last stretch was they ended up just like
Speaker 1: blowing up their offensive line in multiple spots because they
Speaker 1: made a bad draft pick. They haven't been able to
Speaker 1: develop that position and that was a problem. I love
Speaker 1: all that, by the way, I love that you mentioned
Speaker 1: Aj Brown how he was emotional in the locker room too,
Speaker 1: because our interview on audio. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: came across as well as it did for me on video,
Speaker 1: just that like his face was taking everything in in
Speaker 1: that moment, and it meant he really seemed like, to
Speaker 1: your point, maybe fighting through the injury. But it reminded
Speaker 1: me a lot of Aaron Rodgers after he won his
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, which was the most human I ever saw
Speaker 1: him in the locker room in the corner, kind of
Speaker 1: taking it all in and you could just see it
Speaker 1: all on his face in a way that you could
Speaker 1: with with Aj Brown there too. Let's let's yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the game, because there were a few things
Speaker 1: that I just wish and we're not going to go
Speaker 1: back through it too often or ever again, who knows.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll come up, but like at this level
Speaker 1: that that I wish I had gotten into just sort
Speaker 1: of the numbers. I think, like, we know the defense
Speaker 1: played well, but when I look at Aaron Shotts and
Speaker 1: that was easily the best defensive performance in the first
Speaker 1: half of a Super Bowl ever, And of course it
Speaker 1: was because they had they forced more turnovers than they
Speaker 1: gave up first downs, like and then it finished.
Speaker 2: Up first down on the first play of scrimmage and
Speaker 2: then didn't get another first down the whole half.
Speaker 1: Here's the one that that I love. The Chiefs didn't
Speaker 1: run a play in the in the Eagles territory for
Speaker 1: the first nine drives of the game. That was the
Speaker 1: only game all season that that happened in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And to me, nine drives is actually the perfect number
Speaker 1: because nine drives is your average Chiefs game. They play
Speaker 1: way less possessions, and it always stuck in my head
Speaker 1: to last year how their offense did not show up
Speaker 1: in that game against forty nine Ers through nine drives,
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers defense had played awesome. I think
Speaker 1: they had given up ten points and one was on
Speaker 1: a like three were on a short field. It was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: their defense played well enough to win the super Bowl
Speaker 1: and then some. But but you know, because the Chiefs defense,
Speaker 1: it's a team game, you know, held their end up
Speaker 1: with the bargain. Eventually they had time. Not this time.
Speaker 1: That's outrageous that you can really say other than garbage time.
Speaker 1: It was the worst performance potentially by any team in
Speaker 1: the NFL in any game this year. Patrick Mahomes at
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It's just I don't know what to
Speaker 1: do with that, but it's it's it's embarrassing. It's a
Speaker 1: little embarrassing for the Chiefs. That's why I respect them
Speaker 1: for getting all those garbage time touchdowns just to just
Speaker 1: to feel better about themselves. Like I would have wanted
Speaker 1: to do that too if I were them, because it
Speaker 1: was a very had to have been embarrassing to get
Speaker 1: bodied like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was talking to someone who was on the
Speaker 2: Cheap sideline and they said, like after the Cooper Degene
Speaker 2: pick six, like they they knew it was, it was
Speaker 2: like this, this game is over and they were just
Speaker 2: they were just ejected. Now It's interesting from a like
Speaker 2: what was their plan coming in? Fran Duffy broke this
Speaker 2: down on our on our phl y dot com and
Speaker 2: in a good way, and I think I saw it
Speaker 2: somewhere else that like the plan for the defensive line
Speaker 2: coming into this game was like they are not strong enough.
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 2: We are gonna we are gonna bull rush them all
Speaker 2: game long. We're gonna go through them, not around them. Now,
Speaker 2: part of that is it also keeps Mahomes in the pocket, right,
Speaker 2: you're not you're not giving him lanes to throw, but
Speaker 2: they they knew like they cannot block us, and just
Speaker 2: you talk about like the violence of this team, this
Speaker 2: is I know this is kind of like kind of basic,
Speaker 2: but it's why I thought that he was, we're gonna
Speaker 2: win this game. Like they're just the meaner team. They
Speaker 2: have been so violent the entire second half of the season.
Speaker 2: And I think the ego from a roster construction standpoint
Speaker 2: would give some of that to like some of the
Speaker 2: things that they care about in the draft, Like you know,
Speaker 2: we we sort of laugh at like adding all these
Speaker 2: Georgia guys, but like they they this is what they're
Speaker 2: used to, and so like every single move worked, and
Speaker 2: even even like who the one guy who had to
Speaker 2: go in as a backup or in Burks in this game,
Speaker 2: who lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl last
Speaker 2: year is after having to replace Dre Greenlaw when he
Speaker 2: suffers the injury, like he was fine in this game.
Speaker 2: Quinn and Mitchell is like running stride for stride downfield
Speaker 2: with Xavier Worthy on that that one first half play
Speaker 2: where they went play action to try to go to
Speaker 2: that deep shot and you see Malhones kind of cock
Speaker 2: it like that's he really wants to throw it and
Speaker 2: he can't because Quentiny and Mitchell is right there, like
Speaker 2: everybody on this team played at the high, like the
Speaker 2: ceiling of their ability. And I think it's why when
Speaker 2: we get to the conversation of like where do they rank,
Speaker 2: there's like a there's a discrepancy between like the greatest team,
Speaker 2: like the arc of their resume versus like the best
Speaker 2: team when they got to the Super Bowl, And I
Speaker 2: think this team at this point it would be hard
Speaker 2: to beat them.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think you're right. And even with
Speaker 1: those late touchdowns, they give up two touchdowns in the
Speaker 1: last three minutes in one late in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: They still end up with the fourth best defensive DVOA
Speaker 1: four game uh in the Super Bowl, and it was
Speaker 1: interesting to see what was fifth on that list was
Speaker 1: the Bucks versus the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: So interesting now, dvlis it does It is supposed to
Speaker 2: contextualize the like like the the win probability of the
Speaker 2: game itself. So I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the opponent the play to play it. It does,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't. It doesn't count out. It's it's still
Speaker 1: it still counts a little bit for garbage. But that
Speaker 1: that to me is interesting. It just the Chiefs having
Speaker 1: two of their worst games of the Mahomes era in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl is crazy. The last little thing I
Speaker 1: just want to say in the Super Bowl was Herts's
Speaker 1: game was even better in retrospect than I thought at
Speaker 1: the time, because I think I was a little caught
Speaker 1: in that first half where I'm doing the radio and
Speaker 1: everything you just said about their pass rush and I
Speaker 1: got the binoculars on it, and it was so fun.
Speaker 1: The pass rush was so dominating the game. It reminded
Speaker 1: me most of by the way that I've attended. Was
Speaker 1: actually Week one opener rams bills of two thousand and
Speaker 1: what twenty two when they were defending their title. And
Speaker 1: that was just just in terms of watching up front,
Speaker 1: a defensive line just completely embarrassed in offensive line that
Speaker 1: was that was very similar to the Bills just crushed them.
Speaker 1: But that was like a week one game setting up
Speaker 1: like a team that was gonna be terrible that year,
Speaker 1: the Rams, and this was the Super Bowl. Hurts though,
Speaker 1: like the rushing you said, like the Chiefs knew they
Speaker 1: were gonna lose the in the first half. I got admit, like,
Speaker 1: even coming into the second half, I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's see what the Chiefs do for the first drive.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was over until they do nothing
Speaker 1: with their first drive, and then Hurts just starts making
Speaker 1: very quick decisions to run with their first drive and
Speaker 1: their racket up the first times You're like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is over. And that was really part of a game
Speaker 1: where he even though he held the ball at times,
Speaker 1: he made quick decisions. He made good decisions and oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, he goes like five for six and
Speaker 1: plus twenty yard throws and the more you know rewatching them,
Speaker 1: I realized like, oh, those were just awesome throws. There's
Speaker 1: to me, no question is two best games of the
Speaker 1: season were the last two, which is just just totally bad.
Speaker 2: As absolutely and dotson completion to me was an awesome
Speaker 2: one because it was the first big blitz Spags sent
Speaker 2: all game and he makes that check and I don't
Speaker 2: know that like people who haven't watched the Eagles all
Speaker 2: season realize how insane it was for him to check
Speaker 2: to a go ball to Jahan Dotson, who like he
Speaker 2: barely throws to. This was the first game all season long,
Speaker 2: if you don't count the Week eighteen finale with the
Speaker 2: backups in which John Dotson had two catches that went
Speaker 2: for first downs. Like that's how one involved he's been
Speaker 2: in the offense. And it was a beautiful throw. The
Speaker 2: scrambles were huge, and obviously in part because of you know,
Speaker 2: they weren't getting a ton from Saquon Barkley, which again
Speaker 2: I think speaks to like the talent disparity in this game.
Speaker 2: It felt like the Chiefs game plan was we are
Speaker 2: not gonna let Saquon beat us on offense, and we
Speaker 2: are not gonna let Jalen Carter beat us on defense.
Speaker 2: Their double team in him every snap almost and okay,
Speaker 2: the other twenty players on the field are just going
Speaker 2: to dominate every single one of their other individual matchups,
Speaker 2: and like you get a like almost a forty point game.
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, I thought I thought Hurts was was outstanding.
Speaker 2: The go balls were awesome. I thought that, you know,
Speaker 2: the shot to Davante down the middle was I talked
Speaker 2: about this team being mean, like they really stepped on
Speaker 2: the throat there after the fourth down stop by Avonte Maddox.
Speaker 1: That's like a tough catch and a tough throw, like
Speaker 1: to have it in the right spot people are killing
Speaker 1: like Jalen Watson for that. It's like, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just like these good offense beat Like that's just a
Speaker 1: great throw, perfect like where he he always throws those
Speaker 1: deep balls in just the right spot. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: not a complete quarterback, but his strengths are so good
Speaker 1: and the design runs were effective too, Like he is
Speaker 1: a good vertical runner that helped them keep the chains moving.
Speaker 2: The strength that he has throwing deep, which to me
Speaker 2: is like as a passer the best thing he does,
Speaker 2: makes it more mystifying why we didn't see more of
Speaker 2: this in the regular season, Like there was a stretch
Speaker 2: in the second half of the regular season where the
Speaker 2: Eagles threw the ball downfield, you know, less often than
Speaker 2: almost every team in the league, which was kind of bizarre.
Speaker 2: The one other thing that worked out well for the
Speaker 2: Eagles in this game, and credit again to fran Duffy
Speaker 2: for pointing this out. Usually the story with Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: as a passer is that the quicker he gets rid
Speaker 2: of the ball, the better he is, and the longer
Speaker 2: he holds onto the ball, the less effective he is.
Speaker 2: He's like towards the bottom of the league in you know,
Speaker 2: epa per pass when he holds onto the ball for
Speaker 2: three seconds or more, which is a little bit unexpected
Speaker 2: given that he is, you know, a creative player. You
Speaker 2: would think that as a mobile quarterback he would be
Speaker 2: better at that. And in this game he held onto
Speaker 2: the ball. I believe this was the third longest time
Speaker 2: to throw that he had all season. But when he
Speaker 2: held onto the ball, he was way more efficient than
Speaker 2: than he usually is, and that was that was a
Speaker 2: big factor in the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, too many one on one matchups. Let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: pivot that that they just had a huge advantage. Let's
Speaker 1: pivot a little bit to just what's next out of
Speaker 1: this group, and they have both These teams have a
Speaker 1: lot of free agents, a lot of question marks coming
Speaker 1: into the offseason. We're gonna do full off season previews
Speaker 1: for every team, but for for the Eagles, who do
Speaker 1: you think is most likely to stay? I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you six starters. That's a lot. Yeah, we're going through
Speaker 1: the different teams, like if you have more than four,
Speaker 1: like four or more starters, that's actually more than average,
Speaker 1: Like transition over the courts of an offseason in terms
Speaker 1: of guys you mostly would want to keep. And this
Speaker 1: is the case here. Josh Sweat gonna be a free agent,
Speaker 1: Milton Williams gonna be free agent, McKay Beckton gonna be
Speaker 1: a free agent, Zach Bond gonna be a free agent,
Speaker 1: Darius Slayte not gonna be free agent, but talks as
Speaker 1: if he is, like he thinks the Eagles are gonna
Speaker 1: cut him or something is going to happen there. And
Speaker 1: then Dallas Goddard just because you threw this out there,
Speaker 1: like would they ever want to move off of his contract?
Speaker 1: That would surprise me personally, because I just think he
Speaker 1: adds such an important dimension, Like why would they choose
Speaker 1: to do that. But of that group, who kind of
Speaker 1: stands out to you is the most likely to go
Speaker 1: and the most likely to stay however you want to
Speaker 1: answer it.
Speaker 2: So I think I think Mackai Bectam is the least
Speaker 2: likely to stay for several reasons. One is that, like
Speaker 2: they're they're gonna have to extend Kim Jurgens this offseason.
Speaker 2: They're already paying Landon Dickerson and Jordan Mailatta and Lane
Speaker 2: Johnson at the at the top of the offensive line market.
Speaker 2: You can't pay everybody, and I think you can trust
Speaker 2: Jeff Stotlind to, you know, fill in somebody as the
Speaker 2: right guard between those two guys. Tyler Steen filled in
Speaker 2: this game and is fine. I think the Eagles wanted
Speaker 2: to take an offensive lineman early last year. I think
Speaker 2: they would like to do it.
Speaker 1: He was not fin your game. I think he came
Speaker 1: in in the very first rep Chris Jones like pretty soon.
Speaker 2: I don't think they I don't think they would like
Speaker 2: to enter next season with him as plan A, but
Speaker 2: but I think they trust that they can backfill that spot.
Speaker 2: McKay Beckton was like a great one year bandit. I
Speaker 2: don't think that they view him as worthy of like
Speaker 2: top of the market salary, unless they think he's the
Speaker 2: eventual Lane Johnson replacement, which I don't think they do.
Speaker 2: Milton Williams, I think is also very unlikely to return.
Speaker 2: I think if you asked Howie Roseman, like one of
Speaker 2: his regrets from the past couple of years, I think
Speaker 2: they wish that they had extended him two years ago
Speaker 2: when when they first could have. But he's going to
Speaker 2: get paid this offseason. I don't think they can afford him.
Speaker 2: He's going to be I mean he's he's twenty five
Speaker 2: years old, he's going to be twenty six in April.
Speaker 2: He's an ascending player, and they've got Jordan Davis coming
Speaker 2: back next year. Morowajema, who played very well in the postseason,
Speaker 2: is kind of a guy who can who can backfill there,
Speaker 2: and it's supposed to be a good defensive tackle class.
Speaker 2: I think they sort of trust that that's how they
Speaker 2: can approach it.
Speaker 1: Car They usually get those deals done of like guys
Speaker 1: who are coming up on their after that they maybe
Speaker 1: value higher than other teams. Like Josh was a home alignment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, homegrown linement is not something that they usually let go,
Speaker 2: and so I think they I think they were a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they tried. I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: I don't know what the negotiations were like, but I
Speaker 2: think they regret that a little bit. I also don't
Speaker 2: think Josh Sweat is coming back, in part because you know,
Speaker 2: they made him take a pay cut last year, last offseason,
Speaker 2: so I think there might be some acrimony there. Then again, Sweat,
Speaker 2: you know, hired Drew Rosenhouse, so that probably means that
Speaker 2: any bad feelings are done on that front. But it
Speaker 2: also means that Rosenhouse will make sure that Sweat gets
Speaker 2: the most money, and I don't think that the Eagles
Speaker 2: will be the ones who offer him the most money.
Speaker 2: I think slayh is an interesting one. I think the
Speaker 2: plan heading into the season was probably to post June
Speaker 2: first release him this offseason. Saves a good chunk of money.
Speaker 2: You've got Quinnon Minchell, You've got Cooper Dejen, You've got
Speaker 2: KEITHA Ringo coming up. They could also resign Isaiah Rodgers.
Speaker 2: But I do think that there is potential mutual interest
Speaker 2: in like a restructure for a one year deal if
Speaker 2: Sleigh wants to go out just on his terms with
Speaker 2: the Eagles. I think that's possible. Goddard, I think is
Speaker 2: I think they would like to restructure him. He's got
Speaker 2: no guaranteed money, and so I think I think there
Speaker 2: is a real possibility that they move on and they're
Speaker 2: looking to create room. I do think that's a place
Speaker 2: to do it. He's just been so injury prone. He
Speaker 2: hasn't played a full season. I think he's played one
Speaker 2: full season the last five years, and so I think
Speaker 2: that's a place where they could look to make a
Speaker 2: change and get younger. And then Bond is the really
Speaker 2: interesting one to me because we.
Speaker 1: Know they have not going anywhere. I don't care. They'll
Speaker 1: franchise tag him. So he's number one on my list,
Speaker 1: but you.
Speaker 2: Can't franchise tag him because he gets the franchise numbers.
Speaker 2: Is for edg Rushers, right, But it's like a twenty
Speaker 2: plus million dollar thing.
Speaker 1: So well, that's fine, give Zack Bond twenty plus million
Speaker 1: for a year.
Speaker 2: I don't think I think he was I think you had.
Speaker 1: To pick one most valuable player on their defense. I
Speaker 1: guess Jalen Carter would be up there.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably I mean this bon is number two.
Speaker 1: Hey, who is the defensive Player of the Year finalists?
Speaker 1: It was Zach Bond and it didn't slow down in
Speaker 1: the playoffs.
Speaker 2: He was awesome.
Speaker 1: I think he kind of unlocked them. I honestly think
Speaker 1: he would be very difficult for Vic Vangio to replace,
Speaker 1: and they will. This is just my opinion, but I
Speaker 1: think they will look at him as somewhat irreplaceable and
Speaker 1: just give him a ton of money.
Speaker 2: I think he is the one who they are most
Speaker 2: willing to go, like above what they're comfortable for. But
Speaker 2: they're also going to have a number. And what's really
Speaker 2: hard to figure out with Zach Bond is what the
Speaker 2: market's going to be like, because this is a twenty
Speaker 2: nine year old who has done this for one year
Speaker 2: at a position that is not usually hugely valued on
Speaker 2: the open market. If some team comes out, if some
Speaker 2: team comes out and offers him twenty billion dollars, I
Speaker 2: don't think the Eagles are going to match that, but
Speaker 2: I think that they would love to try. I think
Speaker 2: they're going to try to spoil him before free agency
Speaker 2: hits see if they can get him to come back.
Speaker 2: And you also have to wonder, you know, Zach bond.
Speaker 2: This is his chance to cash in, but he's also
Speaker 2: seen the other side of like what it's like, how
Speaker 2: much does is he willing to take any kind of
Speaker 2: discount to be back with Vic Fancia.
Speaker 1: I think he will have a huge market. I think
Speaker 1: off ball linebackers are kind of coming back in style
Speaker 1: like running backs. It's just hard to find three down linebackers.
Speaker 1: There's enough Fangio like teams out there that can convince
Speaker 1: himself that he fits perfectly as Okay, we don't have
Speaker 1: to change our lineup. He can play on the line,
Speaker 1: he can back up, he unlocks it.
Speaker 2: Will he be those four on your and your top
Speaker 2: one hundred? Will it be ahead of Sweaton and Milton Williams.
Speaker 1: Milton Williams will be high Just a young pas, especially
Speaker 1: who's just coming off a great year. Yeah. Probably. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know it is only one year, but you gotta
Speaker 1: just you gotta evalue what he did and how valuable
Speaker 1: he was. I don't think they'll ever let him go.
Speaker 1: I really don't. Whatever the off ball line backer market is,
Speaker 1: they'll just I think they'll will agree to disagree that
Speaker 1: he'll get some. He'll get like thirty million dollars guaranteed
Speaker 1: on like a three year, fifty million dollar deal or
Speaker 1: something like that where he's making sixteen or seventeen. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: and then and they'll just I think they'll get that
Speaker 1: done like next week, don't even wait.
Speaker 2: I do think he's the one that they would most
Speaker 2: like to have back.
Speaker 1: It would be crazy. Don't let him go the Chiefs quickly.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. We'll be covering this plenty as it happens.
Speaker 1: But Kelsey at this point you have to think is
Speaker 1: more likely to retire than not. Tray Smith is going
Speaker 1: to be a top of a lot of free agent lists.
Speaker 1: Although I asked around and there is a little bit
Speaker 1: of a buzz that like, was not Tray Smith's best year.
Speaker 1: This is something that basics like me and you might
Speaker 1: might not totally know, but like, he's not coming off
Speaker 1: a good year for Tray Smith, so that'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: Justin Reid Nick Bolton Wharton, who I thought had an
Speaker 1: awesome very similar to Milton Williams but just a little
Speaker 1: lower level, but had an awesome postseason, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a free agent New Hopkins omena who Derek Noddy,
Speaker 1: like a lot of guys who played a lot of
Speaker 1: snaps for them. It's gonna be a transition year. They
Speaker 1: have to fix their offensive line again. So I think
Speaker 1: they're they're working a little uphill. Let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back with Kellen Moore talk, and then yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a little Rogers. We're gonna rank some
Speaker 1: super Bowls. Back on NFL Daily, both was trying to
Speaker 1: sell me that Nick Bolton's five years younger than Nick
Speaker 1: than Zach Bond. Nick Bolton will get paid too. He's
Speaker 1: a great player, great young player. I gotta decide how
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rank these guys. This is not that show
Speaker 1: though we've We've already gone too long just talking Eagles.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about them losing their offensive coordinator. We have
Speaker 1: our head coach in New Orleans. As I was leaving
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, the city, and I was
Speaker 1: thinking about Sirianni on the podium, Telan Kellen, Let's run
Speaker 1: this thing back. I was thinking, Oh my god, what
Speaker 1: a crazy situation. If Kellen Moore got really emotional and
Speaker 1: just decided to stay and the Eagles gave him the
Speaker 1: bag like it would then turn from one of the
Speaker 1: most embarrassing head coaching searches of all time to the
Speaker 1: most embarrassing head coaching search of all type. But Saints
Speaker 1: fans are absolutely thrilled, and I don't blame him considering
Speaker 1: what they've been through that they have the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: champion offensive coordinator. What do you think after watching him
Speaker 1: up close bo for a year of Kellen Moore as
Speaker 1: a head coach.
Speaker 2: It's funny you say the thing about him getting emotional
Speaker 2: because I was thinking back today and I don't remember
Speaker 2: seeing him in the postgame locker room or at the
Speaker 2: party late night, So maybe he was like trying to
Speaker 2: avoid getting sucked in by sentimentality. I don't think that
Speaker 2: that's actually the case. I just didn't see him. I
Speaker 2: think Kellen Moore is going to be an interesting head
Speaker 2: coach experience because I don't really know what to expect
Speaker 2: from a like media standpoint. I mean, he's very vanilla.
Speaker 2: He does not give anything away. Like his press conferences
Speaker 2: this year were kind of notoriously bland. But you know,
Speaker 2: I did ask Nick Sirianni late in the season, like
Speaker 2: why he thinks Kellen Moore would be a good head coach,
Speaker 2: And one of the first things he mentioned and maybe
Speaker 2: this is just how Nick Sirianni thinks about the position,
Speaker 2: was about how well he commands a room and how
Speaker 2: detailed he is, and so we'll see how those those
Speaker 2: things happened. I don't think that he was particularly like
Speaker 2: the best, you know, play designer necessarily this year.
Speaker 1: You guys are unhappy with him. Philadelphia wasn't like thrilled
Speaker 1: with Kellen Moore for parts of this.
Speaker 2: Again, it's also you're untangling with Jalen Hurts, and then
Speaker 2: you see the week eighteen game plan and it's it's
Speaker 2: all the bells and whistles that you were expecting, and
Speaker 2: Tanner McKee looks awesome. So maybe the Kellen Moore head
Speaker 2: coach offense will look a lot different than what looked like.
Speaker 1: Here go ahead, wait, hold on for a second there,
Speaker 1: How annoyed are you that it was Kenny Pickett finishing
Speaker 1: out the Super Bowl and not your boy Tanner McKee
Speaker 1: that was and he would have picked up a first down.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to hurt Jalen's feelings. If it was
Speaker 2: McKee and he lit it up, it was gonna be
Speaker 2: you know, you get the whole off season quarterback controversy.
Speaker 2: They couldn't handle that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they got they got to get rid
Speaker 1: of Kenny Pickett. Although the most fanciful I heard on
Speaker 1: your on your podcast over the last few weeks was, well,
Speaker 1: maybe they're trying to just make sure they preserve Kenny
Speaker 1: Pickett's trade value. That's why he's still the backet. What
Speaker 1: trade value you guys think Kenny Pickett has? No one's
Speaker 1: traded for Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean maybe you get six sixth Yeah.
Speaker 1: A sixth the seventh swap, that's what you got for him.
Speaker 1: Last year's trade's value hasn't got up with the Eagles.
Speaker 2: Oh, his value last year was like a late third,
Speaker 2: it was. It was like a fourth round or an
Speaker 2: early fourth. Maybe it wasn't it a swap though, didn't
Speaker 2: they it was a swap, But that's the val a round.
Speaker 1: Back it was. It was ridiculous. Yeah, value though, Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2: He well he's cheap back and that's the value is
Speaker 2: that he's he's on a rookie contract.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: As for killing Moore, I don't know. I mean, we'll
Speaker 2: see what kind of staff he builds. It's always tough
Speaker 2: to build the staff this late in the cycle. It
Speaker 2: sounds like, there's gonna be some some short term pain
Speaker 2: right with that, with that Saints roster. But I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm honestly, I don't know what to expect
Speaker 2: from the Kellen Moore head coaching experience because we haven't
Speaker 2: really learned that much about him.
Speaker 1: You know, He's he's an interesting case because he's he
Speaker 1: was a guy you thought would be the future Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys head coach. At one point he thought, by all
Speaker 1: accounts that he would be a future Dallas Cowboys head coach.
Speaker 1: And then Brian Schottenheimer gets the job, and perhaps I've
Speaker 1: heard that, you know, seeing what happened with Slowek not
Speaker 1: getting the Cowboys job made him realize, like, well, if
Speaker 1: I can triple my salary or whatever it's gonna be,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot more money and have a
Speaker 1: chance to do it. There there's no guarantee I ever
Speaker 1: get my chance. I'm gonna take this, this this opportunity.
Speaker 1: Maybe he brings in Doug Nussmeier, who is with him
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia on offense, and then Brandon Staley is reportedly
Speaker 1: the leading candidate for the defensive coordinator job. Staley hired
Speaker 1: him in a relatively disastrous season for both of them.
Speaker 2: It's always funny with that when the coordinator becomes the
Speaker 2: head coach and hires the head coach as the coordinator.
Speaker 2: I think that's always a funny dynamic.
Speaker 1: Two young guys. We'll see. We'll see. By the way
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer hired who did he hire Joe Brady?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: No, not Joe Brady, I mean Ken Dorsey. Of course
Speaker 1: he didn't hire Joe Brady Ken Dorsey in Dallas. I
Speaker 1: like that staff that he's putting together. So shout out
Speaker 1: to Brian Schottenheimer. I'm like, fifteen percent higher than consentus.
Speaker 1: Then how it will go for him? I think he
Speaker 1: could be fine.
Speaker 2: And I will note the thing that you will hear
Speaker 2: from the Eagles now is that this will be Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts's fifth offensive coordinator in his six seasons in the NFL,
Speaker 2: and if you go back to his college career, it's
Speaker 2: nine in ten.
Speaker 1: Very similar to the career of Derek Carr, who Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore is inheriting. Presumably some contrasting reports out there about
Speaker 1: how much Kellen Moore wants Derek Carr as his quarterback.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even say reports It's contrasting people that you
Speaker 1: talked to at the Super Bowl that seemed to be
Speaker 1: well informed, but they don't agree on this that maybe
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore said, I'm only taking that job, or you know,
Speaker 1: he does not want Derek Carr. It's a very confusing
Speaker 1: situation with Mickey Loomis running that team with about as
Speaker 1: much power as anyone in the NFL, and Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: has to step into that. But he's been in weird
Speaker 1: spots before. He was the coach under Jason Garrett did
Speaker 1: so well that he kept the job, but he kept
Speaker 1: it with Mike McCarthy and then Mike McCarthy kind of
Speaker 1: slowly made it into his offense. Other people were saying
Speaker 1: that Jerry Jones had some input on that offense, and
Speaker 1: it's like he was extremely productive with the Cowboys. That
Speaker 1: should not be lost. He was there for four years.
Speaker 1: A couple of those teams were elite, Like if you
Speaker 1: just go by points and yards, they were the best
Speaker 1: offense in the league, and even by the efficiency metrics
Speaker 1: they were excellent. And he won with backups. He won
Speaker 1: with some backups Andy Dalton at one point, and he
Speaker 1: and he won with the Cooper Rush in Dallas, so
Speaker 1: like he's done it. I think the Saints did about
Speaker 1: as well as they could have. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: that before we moved totally off the Eagles. What is
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing you've heard this week? Just maybe analysis
Speaker 1: of the game, if you want, I can, I can start.
Speaker 1: It was more just dumbest thing I saw. I was
Speaker 1: walking on Saint Charles yesterday. I had a very late
Speaker 1: flight and I just saw in the windows in a
Speaker 1: bar like the lower third for one of those I
Speaker 1: believe it was first get up and it was said,
Speaker 1: it said, is the goat debate over? Is it over?
Speaker 1: Like now Brady's won it for good? It's over because
Speaker 1: of what your Eagles did did to the to the
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. Is it over? That's the dumbest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever heard. That is the dumbest thing I've seen.
Speaker 2: It's extremely dumb. Yeah, I mean that's that's that's pretty
Speaker 2: high up there. I'm trying to think. I think I
Speaker 2: guess it would have been, you know, a conversation about
Speaker 2: Sirianni's job security heading into the Super Bowl, Like if
Speaker 2: they lost the game, could he still be fired? That
Speaker 2: seems pretty pretty unlikely. Other than that, I guess it's
Speaker 2: just like the chest pounding of like the Eagles had
Speaker 2: no chance in this game, like this game has already
Speaker 2: been played two years ago. They've gotten no shot, which
Speaker 2: turned out to be quite wrong.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of that. It was interesting because look,
Speaker 1: we went three for three here on our picks for
Speaker 1: Game Deview and on NFL Daily and Game Deview with
Speaker 1: five different people. And yet I did look, and I
Speaker 1: think the consent it was a very slight favoring the
Speaker 1: Chiefs in terms of the general cognizanti. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: like fifty five forty five, sixty forty, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: a nobody believed in us. But it was a situation
Speaker 1: where the team wins so convincingly, kind of like that
Speaker 1: Seahawks win that keeps getting referenced that everyone who who
Speaker 1: picked the Chiefs probably feels a little stupid, like I do.
Speaker 2: Well, I do will, I will give you a little
Speaker 2: bit of gas here and that, like I did see
Speaker 2: it come across my timeline, like the breakdown of who
Speaker 2: picked two, and it was like, oh, all the ball
Speaker 2: knowers picked the Eagles. It was you know, it was
Speaker 2: the nameless faces who picked the chiefs Well.
Speaker 1: I also like sticking with my picks if I believe
Speaker 1: in the overall structure and talent. And I picked the
Speaker 1: Eagles to win the Super Bowl in both twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two and twenty twenty three before the season, and this season,
Speaker 1: I had him in the NFC Championship Game before the season,
Speaker 1: which I feel like people didn't know what to make
Speaker 1: of this team, and I wis I wish I had
Speaker 1: just picked them to win it off for three speight
Speaker 1: years because I finally, I finally would have been right.
Speaker 1: And that was the dumbest thing I saw, by the way,
Speaker 1: because like I'm old enough to remember NFL dot COM's
Speaker 1: cover story before that Seahawks Super Bowl bo was does
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning cement himself in the goat race with a
Speaker 1: win today? Because that was that was the thought. Like
Speaker 1: at that point, it's not that long ago. People gave
Speaker 1: Manning the edge because of the because it had been
Speaker 1: ten years before, you know, since Brady had won one.
Speaker 1: You know, he was quote unquote stuck on three. And
Speaker 1: Manning's individual stuff was in the Broncos that season and
Speaker 1: their offense was so much higher that generally people thought
Speaker 1: the greatest of all time, at least between Manning and
Speaker 1: Brady was Manning and they were like almost mid thirties
Speaker 1: at the point it fell over. That's why that's the
Speaker 1: stupidest thing ever, because Patrick Mahomes not even not even thirty, Like,
Speaker 1: let let this play out at this point, it's just
Speaker 1: got to be him versus Brady, and he hasn't even
Speaker 1: gotten to Brady's best decade. Help, Brady's best decade was
Speaker 1: like thirty four to forty four, So you know, you
Speaker 1: can't expect Mahomes to do that, but like it could,
Speaker 1: So let's just let's just put a pin in it
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think from a like if you could zoom out,
Speaker 2: it will be fun to kind of see, like what
Speaker 2: the next iteration of the Patrick Mahomes chiefs are like
Speaker 2: post chasing Kelcey, Like how are they going to reform
Speaker 2: the offense? How is he going to become a different player?
Speaker 2: I think that's a very a very fascinating story.
Speaker 1: And look, it's it's not good for him. It will
Speaker 1: be remembered that he had two of his worst games
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. That was another kind of takeaway
Speaker 1: I had rewatching was like everyone's just going to put
Speaker 1: it on everything around Mahomes. He was bad. I mean
Speaker 1: he legit panicked.
Speaker 2: He I don't remember ever seeing him like that in
Speaker 2: the pocket, like like really looking uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: He likes to play with people around him, and the
Speaker 1: way that they did it, he did not like it anymore.
Speaker 1: He essentially fritzed out. He held the ball a couple
Speaker 1: times when actually there were rows. They weren't like open,
Speaker 1: but you just would thought that he would he would
Speaker 1: try to rip it like he he played one of
Speaker 1: the worst games of his career and considering the contact
Speaker 1: easily the worst game of his career in that spot,
Speaker 1: So he deserves a little little bit of that. Getting
Speaker 1: blown out twice in the Super Bowl, you know that
Speaker 1: didn't happen. And to Brady, their teams were always close.
Speaker 1: They get both blown out in like a divisional round
Speaker 1: game or two, though, so you know, things happen.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, yeah, everybody says it. But the worst
Speaker 2: season of his career was the AFC Championship. Gamers ultwise,
Speaker 2: like that's that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Right, and it's like you should you should get extra
Speaker 1: credit for playing well against the Texans and playing well
Speaker 1: against the Bills before having the worst game, like Brady
Speaker 1: shouldn't get somehow put higher because he got waxed by
Speaker 1: the Ravens in that two thousand and nine game, which
Speaker 1: at the time I thought was like the end of
Speaker 1: the Patriots dynasty. They were booing him out of Foxborough
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, and then literally the next
Speaker 1: year they had the best offense for about the next
Speaker 1: seven straight years in aggregate. It was crazy. So we
Speaker 1: kind of need to see that out of Mahomeszo. It's
Speaker 1: been a couple of quiet years, like in terms of
Speaker 1: his regular season performance, and that that gets us to
Speaker 1: ranking these these teams.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear how this goes.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this was last minute. I did not spend
Speaker 1: nearly enough time on this, but it's one of those
Speaker 1: exercise I feel like if you spent all the time
Speaker 1: and if you spent almost no time, it wouldn't improve
Speaker 1: at all. So you're gonna comment to me on what
Speaker 1: you think of my rankings here. I decided to do
Speaker 1: it from from the Ravens in the Superdome just as
Speaker 1: a as a cutoff. So that's the last twelve season.
Speaker 2: Twelve, isn't that thirteen seasons? Am? I? Wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I'm throwing the Ravens. Part of the
Speaker 1: reason is they're actually my worst Super Bowl champion. And
Speaker 1: again I'm thinking about just just line them all up
Speaker 1: in a given week. You obviously get extra credit from
Speaker 1: how you're playing at the end of the season and
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and in the postseason, but all
Speaker 1: these teams were playing awesome. They won the freaking Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: Like there isn't one that I looked at was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they just got lucky, like game after game after game,
Speaker 1: and so in the end, you know, the twenty twelve Ravens,
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco's your quarterback, I mean, and he was playing
Speaker 1: at an outrageous level. And that was one of the
Speaker 1: worst defenses the Ravens have ever had, and they somehow
Speaker 1: strung together a playoff run in which they didn't even
Speaker 1: play that well on defense the whole time, but they
Speaker 1: got enough stops and they almost gave up the biggest
Speaker 1: comeback in history against the forty nine ers, but they
Speaker 1: got enough. So they're a great team, but they're at
Speaker 1: the bottom of my list.
Speaker 2: They're thirteen. Okay, yeah, I mean I guess if you are.
Speaker 2: If you are ranking the quarterbacks themselves would flackout be
Speaker 2: at the bottom. Is it this version of feeling hurts
Speaker 2: like everybody.
Speaker 1: I would say that version of Peyton Manning would be
Speaker 1: at the bottom. So they're part of my next two
Speaker 1: are the twenty eighteen Patriots and the twenty fifteen Broncos. Now,
Speaker 1: if we're just ranking defenses, I know Broncos fans will
Speaker 1: get mad. They would be right there with the Eagles
Speaker 1: and the Seahawks as the three best defenses over these
Speaker 1: this stretch. But I feel like if you're that imbalanced
Speaker 1: and you kind of look at their run that they
Speaker 1: went through, they were going against like the horrible one
Speaker 1: of the worst paytriots teams that ever made it to
Speaker 1: a conference championship with Stephen Jackson at running back and
Speaker 1: like not even it was just like all it was
Speaker 1: was Brady and Gronk and then they get absolutely smashed
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. You get taken down a peg
Speaker 1: if you lose by thirty five points. And that Patriots team,
Speaker 1: while they showed up, had a great playoff run, like
Speaker 1: they had some bad They got waxed a couple of
Speaker 1: times that year. It was like on it was the
Speaker 1: Patriots dynasty. On fumes just cranking it up one last time.
Speaker 1: I think if you just put them on the field
Speaker 1: against their other Patriots teams, against all these other teams,
Speaker 1: they might they might struggle. They might struggle a little bit.
Speaker 2: The one bit of prep I did for this was
Speaker 2: I just looked at all of their point differentials from
Speaker 2: including the regular season and the playoffs together, and just
Speaker 2: for the record, that twenty fifteen Broncos team was at
Speaker 2: the bottom. So I think that that was reelect.
Speaker 1: You there, thank you, and Patriots fans. It's tough to
Speaker 1: separate them all because that playoff run was pretty great.
Speaker 1: They did put up like forty back to back weeks
Speaker 1: out of nowhere against the Chargers and the Chiefs, having
Speaker 1: to beat Mahomes in his first time, and then the
Speaker 1: defense suddenly shows up and holds the Rams to three.
Speaker 1: So it showed they were balanced, but overall not like
Speaker 1: an amazing team.
Speaker 2: All Right, the young young Philadelphians will need to take
Speaker 2: your notes on like how to go about differentiating between
Speaker 2: all the difference.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, then they'll have to hear because all right,
Speaker 1: these next I had a hard time separating these four teams,
Speaker 1: but they're in my next four, all right, The twenty
Speaker 1: three Chiefs are the next lowest team on this list.
Speaker 1: They had a crazy good playoff run, but they had
Speaker 1: like a three and five stretch during the season, and
Speaker 1: the offense really wasn't that great, even though you had
Speaker 1: Mahomes very good defensive twenty seventeen Eagles this is where
Speaker 1: they show up. By the time they finished that season,
Speaker 1: they could be anyone. Obviously they did it. They were dangerous,
Speaker 1: but you know, I Fulio Jones makes that catch and
Speaker 1: a couple things little happen, and certainly looking over the
Speaker 1: regular season, this is where I put him. Then here's
Speaker 1: the twenty two Chiefs. Of the latter two Chiefs teams
Speaker 1: like this is the one where the offense was much
Speaker 1: more efficient, not as explosive, but a very good offense,
Speaker 1: and the defense stepped up late in the year.
Speaker 2: And then they say on THEA and then.
Speaker 1: The twenty sixteen Patriots sneaky great Super Bowl. This was
Speaker 1: actually one versus two in terms of d VA. The
Speaker 1: Falcons were number one in DVA that year. I don't
Speaker 1: think of that Patriots team as like that unbelievable, the
Speaker 1: one that made the comeback there, but they were pretty great.
Speaker 1: So those are my next pack. You can give me
Speaker 1: any thoughts on those.
Speaker 2: You will be surprised to know that that twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: Patriots team had the second best point differential of all
Speaker 2: these teams. And then I was just going to say
Speaker 2: on the seventeen Eagles, I think this is where the
Speaker 2: disparity between the scope of the entire season and the
Speaker 2: way they're playing at the end matters, because over the
Speaker 2: course of the season, you know, they blew out all
Speaker 2: kinds of teams. When when Carson Wentz was healthy their
Speaker 2: fourth on this list of point differential, but the Nick
Speaker 2: Foles iteration did not really come together until those last two.
Speaker 2: I mean, that team, you know, La, there's like that
Speaker 2: there's a magic to that team. But I think even
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Long seven his podcast that if his
Speaker 2: team lined up against the team from you know, Sunday Night,
Speaker 2: he thinks he thinks they're not winning that game.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm trying not to also be a homer
Speaker 1: because that Patriot that was a really good Falcons team
Speaker 1: that ultimately they had a hard time slowing down for
Speaker 1: much of that game, but they did when they needed
Speaker 1: to in a great Patriots offense. That's interesting. I'm point differential.
Speaker 1: I think they had a very easy schedule that year.
Speaker 1: I weirdly remember they were just like beating up on
Speaker 1: all these bad teams. All right, I'm into my top four,
Speaker 1: number four, and that these four I could rearrange in
Speaker 1: any way. Number four the twenty nineteen Chiefs. Ultimately it's
Speaker 1: the best Mahomes, it's the best Chiefs offense. I think
Speaker 1: offense matters more. And then I look at the top
Speaker 1: three teams on this list and I start wondering, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe offense doesn't matter more. So they were they were
Speaker 1: pretty hard for for me. Do you think that's right
Speaker 1: to put them as the best Chiefs team?
Speaker 2: That's one I think so. And you're reminding me of
Speaker 2: my reaction after the twenty two Super Bowl, you know,
Speaker 2: when the Chiefs beat the Eagles, which was that you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe defenses don't matter because like in
Speaker 2: that like that was a good Eagles defense and they
Speaker 2: didn't do anything against a very good Chiefs offense. But
Speaker 2: I guess my opinion has changed over the past couple
Speaker 2: of weeks.
Speaker 1: I know. That's the thing that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Is so much I actually think you framed as well.
Speaker 2: It's that there's a difference between like, like the number
Speaker 2: one defense a great defense, and then like the difference
Speaker 2: between the number four defense and the number twenty five
Speaker 2: defense is very minor, Like you either have a great
Speaker 2: defense or a terrible defense, and everybody else is sort
Speaker 2: of in between.
Speaker 1: That's the thing with the twenty sixteen Patriots, like they
Speaker 1: had a good enough defense. They obviously could game play well,
Speaker 1: but the team, like the Falcons go up and down
Speaker 1: on them. The twenty two Chiefs that happened like that
Speaker 1: Eagles Patriots game. In theory that Super Bowl had pretty
Speaker 1: competent defense, and they were literally two of the worst
Speaker 1: defenses in the history of the sport. All it was
Speaker 1: was yardage.
Speaker 2: It was like a like the three worst I believe
Speaker 2: Shiel Capati has It's like the three worst Super Bowl
Speaker 2: defensive performances since two thousand are like both defenses in
Speaker 2: that game and then the Eagles defense in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Wow. So yeah, maybe those twenty two Chiefs, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: not giving them enough love because their defense by the
Speaker 1: end was playing well, but then it didn't in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, did much of the season, and this is
Speaker 1: where I really struggled. So I think the three best
Speaker 1: Super Bowl winners since the last time it was in
Speaker 1: New Orleans are the twenty four Eagles, the thirteen Seahawks
Speaker 1: in the fourteen Patriots. When I wrote it down, that
Speaker 1: actually was the order. It might be recency bias because
Speaker 1: I had the Seahawks there for most of it, and
Speaker 1: then you think about the twenty fourteen Patriots, and that
Speaker 1: is what my heart wants to say. But if you
Speaker 1: go through just position by position, I think this Eagles
Speaker 1: team has a case to be made of where they
Speaker 1: are right now and the way that they finish this season.
Speaker 2: I think the finish of the season is crucial here.
Speaker 2: And if you're weighing like how they're playing at the end,
Speaker 2: boy does that matter. They won the Championship Game and
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl by a combined fifty points, which is
Speaker 2: the third highest in NFL history, behind the eighty four
Speaker 2: Bears and the eighty nine nine Ers.
Speaker 1: It and I don't even I don't even count that
Speaker 1: because it should be sixty six points or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like you can say, well, maybe the Commanders were not
Speaker 2: quite championship game caliber, and I do like I wish
Speaker 2: that we had gotten to see them play the Lions
Speaker 2: just to see that matchup. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: fifty points is fifty points, and the and the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl game was insane. I do like I just from
Speaker 2: a talent standpoint, and that is the story of this
Speaker 2: of this team, is that they are just so talented.
Speaker 2: You look at the season they played, and you could
Speaker 2: say they played like four complete games all year long,
Speaker 2: and they still you know, they only lost three games,
Speaker 2: and they played their best football at the end of
Speaker 2: the season, no doubt about it. And in the Superlser
Speaker 2: talked about it. In a game where like Sakuon Barkley,
Speaker 2: who was the star of the season, gets mostly muted, like,
Speaker 2: they still put up forty points and dominate, and I'm
Speaker 2: glad to hear you put them at that level. And
Speaker 2: it's not just me who was so close enough.
Speaker 1: I think the only reason why I wanted to do
Speaker 1: this exercise. Yeah, it's the reason I wanted to do
Speaker 1: this exercise. I was like, there's no way there's more
Speaker 1: than three or four that are better. And then I
Speaker 1: went through it, and it's funny because I'm looking at
Speaker 1: one note card I had them first. On the other,
Speaker 1: I like had this season. This is why I would
Speaker 1: be bad at being on one SEWS, I haven't really
Speaker 1: made up my mind. Here's the case for the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: They had a good case, kind of like the Eagles
Speaker 1: this year, where even the losses they had that season
Speaker 1: were very close, which actually, you know, the Eagles did
Speaker 1: have that one decisive w it was back in Week
Speaker 1: four against the Bucks. But the Seahawks all their games
Speaker 1: were close. They had a great postseason run. They beat
Speaker 1: the Packers, it was a very good Packers team pretty convincingly.
Speaker 1: They beat a really good forty nine Ers team in
Speaker 1: that NFC Championship. You know, that was tight, but it
Speaker 1: was good. And then you have that Super Bowl which
Speaker 1: finishes in a similar way to this one, and you
Speaker 1: look at the players that are on this team and
Speaker 1: it's mostly defense, Like that was the year that Legion
Speaker 1: of Boom actually finished number one in defensive DVO. That
Speaker 1: was their best defensive season. And all these potential future
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers showing out against a historic offense scoring
Speaker 1: wise in the Super Bowl. The one thing you could
Speaker 1: hold against them is over the course of the season,
Speaker 1: you know, tenth in offense is twenty thirteen Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: You know, at the level of a Brady or Mahomes, Like, no,
Speaker 1: it's he's obviously not. Neither is Jalen Hurts. Although Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: you know, is playing excellent in the postseason. So was
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. But you know, the quarterback, maybe the offense
Speaker 1: is a little lower, but you know, you got Marshawn there.
Speaker 1: If I'm thinking of going with that team, that is
Speaker 1: an awesome team, it's tough to make a case against them.
Speaker 2: I think that if I'm thinking about like how that
Speaker 2: game would actually play out, I mean, Marshall Lynch is
Speaker 2: so awesome, but I just don't think anybody was running
Speaker 2: on this this Eagles defense, and so I think, like
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about the that side of the
Speaker 2: matchup from the Eagles on the other side, like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they could put up forty on the
Speaker 2: lesion of Boom, but I think between having multiples, because
Speaker 2: they have answers on Saquon and the Guy and aj
Speaker 2: Brown Demante Smith on the outside, I feel like they
Speaker 2: would be able to find more answers.
Speaker 1: Than well, if anyone would have answers, it would be
Speaker 1: that Seahawks team. In the passing game, I think they
Speaker 1: would make Jalen Hurts. Look closer to the regular season
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, And so then it would come down to
Speaker 1: like which defenses can make big plays, in which team
Speaker 1: could run the ball maybe a little better, like between
Speaker 1: Saquon and Marshawn Lynch, Like who actually gets it?
Speaker 2: How many Hall of famers on that Seahawks team do
Speaker 2: you know? Off hand?
Speaker 1: I mean Earl Thomas even't even getting which is crazy
Speaker 1: right now. No, I think he should should be. I
Speaker 1: feel like he was up for I think he was
Speaker 1: eligible this year and he didn't even make the finals. Like,
Speaker 1: let's take us back to how people actually thought about
Speaker 1: it back then. He was the best safety in the
Speaker 1: league easily for a number of like.
Speaker 2: Come on, Hall of Fame caliber players. We're talking Richard Sherman.
Speaker 1: Very young, Bobby Wagner just started, Michael Michael Bettett won't
Speaker 1: get the credit, and neither of Cliff April. But they're
Speaker 1: they're like closer to Jalen Carter level than they are
Speaker 1: to Josh Sweat. The way they were playing at that point,
Speaker 1: that was a completely sick edge duo. And then, like
Speaker 1: really good offensive players do, like a good offensive line,
Speaker 1: you have have obviously uh Baldwin, maybe not as good
Speaker 1: at receiver, but still a very good team.
Speaker 2: And then the Seagles team. You've got Lane Johnson, AJ Brown,
Speaker 2: Saquan potentially, you know, maybe Jalen Carter you think is
Speaker 2: on that path. And then there's obviously Tenner McKain.
Speaker 1: And then the case for the Patriots, which I think
Speaker 1: is a strong one at first they had them first.
Speaker 1: That year was like a collision course all season Patriots Seahawks,
Speaker 1: the best Patriots team that they had had since O seven,
Speaker 1: balanced the top five to six in offense and defense.
Speaker 1: Very good on offense, especially Brady basically in his prime,
Speaker 1: which that's an edge over Russell Wilson and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: And they ended up beating the Legion of Boom, the
Speaker 1: number one defense coming off that title, trying to win
Speaker 1: too in a row. Their offense was better that year
Speaker 1: as well, so that year was was great. It reminded
Speaker 1: me of Saints Colts when they played in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: where it was the clear number one offense versus the
Speaker 1: clear number one defense, and both teams are great around them,
Speaker 1: great head coaches, obviously a great ending and they had
Speaker 1: to come back in that game like that you know,
Speaker 1: there's a case. There's a case there for the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it depends what you're measuring. Like, I
Speaker 2: think that is a more impressive, uh, you know string
Speaker 2: of defeats than that, the than the Eagles had in
Speaker 2: the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Potentially they also waxed Andrew lack Colts like forty five
Speaker 1: to seven in the AFC champions a very similar type
Speaker 1: of championship game performance to the Eagles against the team
Speaker 1: that was just overmatched. A similar divisional round where the Eagles,
Speaker 1: you know, scrape through and you know, I wonder what
Speaker 1: the Rams are thinking about today, by the way, like
Speaker 1: they're the only team.
Speaker 2: That's the one. You know, you mentioned the Julio Jones
Speaker 2: play from the twenty seventeen season. I mean, that's the
Speaker 2: that's the one. What if from this Eagles run is
Speaker 2: you know, Jalen Carr doesn't make those two plays at
Speaker 2: the end of the game, do the Rams go and score?
Speaker 2: And then maybe they do.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is, like all these teams, even in
Speaker 1: the top four, if you look at like the twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen Chiefs, they're down ten late in the third or
Speaker 1: going into the fourth against the forty nine Ers, in
Speaker 1: the Super The Patriots were down fourteen points twice in
Speaker 1: the divisional round and have to start like almost breaking
Speaker 1: the rules with the types of plays they're coming up
Speaker 1: with against the Ravens. Did like somehow come back in
Speaker 1: that game and like scrape through All these teams have
Speaker 1: close calls the Seahawks had against the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 2: Did you think about did you think about who was
Speaker 2: the best of the Super Bowl losers?
Speaker 1: No, the Eagles would certainly be up there. I think
Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen Patriots would be up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the twenty fourteen Seahawks you talked
Speaker 2: about as well.
Speaker 1: They would be up there. I think the first forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers team that lost would have been up there.
Speaker 1: But man, is this is stupid off season stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to be in the off season.
Speaker 2: Football's back, as they say, funny.
Speaker 1: You say that, and so you know, I started the
Speaker 1: show and just started saying that, because that's like just
Speaker 1: a stupid bit. I had that, Like people are always
Speaker 1: saying football is back, like through every point of the offseason,
Speaker 1: and that would be like a fun little outro there.
Speaker 1: Just kept going with it. But football is not back. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can keep using it.
Speaker 2: I think you're retiring it.
Speaker 1: I think it's done right. I mean it's purpose, they
Speaker 1: had fun.
Speaker 2: What's the what's the way you go? Football's forward?
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is it's a problem that I
Speaker 1: am solving in real time, making me panic, But I
Speaker 1: do want to talk a little bit football is we
Speaker 1: we Uh. I'm excited about this time of year specifically,
Speaker 1: like it's a pretty mad dash to the combine. We're
Speaker 1: less than two weeks away from the combine and it's
Speaker 1: like free agency, like franchise tags start next week. I'm
Speaker 1: going to do a tag primer tomorrow, just like going
Speaker 1: over who's getting tagged who's not with Nick Schook. Pretty
Speaker 1: soon the top one to one free agents are going
Speaker 1: to be out. We're going to do some off season
Speaker 1: previews and then free agencies here in like four weeks essentially,
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of a mad dash to get there.
Speaker 1: And this is this is I'm calling this Greg season.
Speaker 2: Greg Season? Is yes about Greg seasons back?
Speaker 1: Greg Is Jordan set that up for me that it's
Speaker 1: just like, all right, this is this is Greg Season.
Speaker 1: So I am I am fired up. I'm hoping everyone
Speaker 1: stays tuned in on these daily shows. Bo what a feeling.
Speaker 1: It's got to be for you. You kind of won
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. It's got to be good for the downloads,
Speaker 1: good for the business. It's not bad to cover a champion.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is is, uh, you know we
Speaker 2: did We did so much work last week, right, We
Speaker 2: did nine shows over the course of the thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You know, I was like up till up till you know,
Speaker 2: five am on Sunday night writing And the one piece
Speaker 2: of feedback I got from the higher ups is I
Speaker 2: also took a video of Jalen Hurts, you know, sitting
Speaker 2: in the hallway with the Lombardi trophy as he's smoking
Speaker 2: his cigars, like a nine second video, and it was like, hey,
Speaker 2: great job with that video. And it's like the most
Speaker 2: it's the most downloaded video in the history of all city.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you know what, this is what this
Speaker 2: is what we do, baby, it's all for that.
Speaker 1: Well it if nothing else, it pays. It pays for
Speaker 1: your trip and then some and then something you should
Speaker 1: convince the like, hey, send me every year I can
Speaker 1: get I can get you videos like that.
Speaker 2: I got all videos in me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even if the Eagles don't make it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can only imagine, you know, how much you're gonna
Speaker 1: be crushing your co host, Zach Berman on a daily base.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine how how obnoxious the Eagles fans
Speaker 1: are gonna be, Like, what is this next week? What
Speaker 1: is this next year gonna be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Before I say goodbye to you for these Eagles fans
Speaker 1: in the city of Philadelphia, because you're not That wasn't
Speaker 1: just like a plucky upstart. Now you guys are your
Speaker 1: two time champions, two out of three years, making it.
Speaker 1: You gotta feel great about what's coming up next year,
Speaker 1: in the next few years. Give me just a quick
Speaker 1: preview of what Philadelphia like. How obnoxious we can expect
Speaker 1: the Eagles fans coming into stadium is gonna.
Speaker 2: Be, Yeah, I mean as obnoxious as it gets. That's
Speaker 2: you know, there's pride in the obnoxiousness we got with
Speaker 2: the parade on Friday moved because of impending rain, so
Speaker 2: that'll be fun. And then yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: I would expect that if the Eagles come out slow
Speaker 2: in the first half of Week one, expect the booths
Speaker 2: to rain down.
Speaker 1: So yeah, things are going to change but they will,
Speaker 1: they will be atop those power ring So let's hit
Speaker 1: let's hit the music, please, rambling over here. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I'll be back on Thursday. It's going to be with
Speaker 1: Nick Shook. We also have a great interview with Kobe Turner.
Speaker 1: But if we're talking a little franchise tag on that
Speaker 1: show and you look yeah, when you're doing the franchise
Speaker 1: tag primer right before Valentine's Day, it's Greg season. I
Speaker 1: can't stick with that one.
Speaker 2: There