1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hunt's let's go. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Let's go Giants. Get my Giants, mob, give me some job. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 2: Part of the Giants Podcast Network, Let's roll. Welcome to 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: by Citizens, the official bank of the New York Football Giants. 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: I am John Schmel, Great Giants Little Podcast coming for 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: you today. Jonathan Wilma will have the call on Fox 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: Sports of Giants and Browns on Sunday, also the Giants 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 2: in week one. He will join us first. Then we're 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: gonna have Aaron Goldhammer from ESPN Cleveland giving us a 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: little bit of an inside view of exactly what's going 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: on at the micro level with the Cleveland Browns. All right, 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: let's get right to it. Let's lead off with my 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 2: interview with Jonathan Vilma. And now we welcome in our 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: first guest. He's Jonathan Vilma, a former NFL linebacker and 16 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 2: of course he is the call of the game on 17 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: Fox one o'clock Sunday, Giants and Browns. All right, John, 18 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: you were the Giants in week one. I'm sure you've 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: watched the Week two game. Let's start on the positive side. First, 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: where do you see the most progress from the Giants 21 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: offense from Week one, where frankly was pretty much a disaster, 22 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: to Week two where they did a lot better. 23 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, week one, as you mentioned, it was rough. I 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: say the two biggest things was were getting the ball 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: down the field, stretching defense. They didn't do that against 26 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: the Vikings. They did that last week against the Commanders. 27 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: And then Daniel Jones being more decisive with the football 28 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: with his decisions and whether it was a right throw 29 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: not a right throw, just get the ball out of 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: your hands, get it in play. I think those two 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: things were much improved. You could see the difference that 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: opened up the running game with Singletary, who by the way, 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: made some very great individual cuts, individual efforts. So I 34 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: think that having the threat of stretching the defense, knowing 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones is going to get the ball out quickly, 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: opening up the run game, that helped out for them 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: and they should be benefit them going on from Week 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: three through the rest of the season. Yeah. 39 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: I want to fall up on a couple of those 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: because I think he makes some really good points. For Jones, 41 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: you mentioned being decisive, I thought his comfort and balance 42 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: in the pocket was much better. That allowed some better, 43 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: more accurate throws down the field. Do you think that's 44 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: a product of him just being more comfortable from his 45 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: first game back after the knee injury last year. Footwork 46 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: is something that they talked about, they worked on in 47 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: practice in between week one and week two. It just 48 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: looked like he was far more comfortable in that pocket 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: than he was in week number one. 50 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I should mention that. Glad you brought it up. John. 51 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: He hadn't played football for what nine months, eight months, 52 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: nine months, whatever it is, right, So it's just not 53 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: expected or it's unreasonable to think in his first game 54 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: he was going to be as sharp as he was 55 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: when he was in his heyday right before he got injured. 56 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: So even if you're healthy physically mentally, you still got 57 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: to catch up, and it takes a game or two 58 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: or three sometimes to get that clock back to speed 59 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: mentally and get the timing down because practice is practice, right, 60 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: it's a control the environment. Once you get in the game, 61 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: it's completely different and you have to be able to 62 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: process faster. So I think he definitely, I should say 63 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: to the fans should not overreact over week one what 64 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: you see in week two I believe it's going to 65 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: be more of what you're going to see from Daniel 66 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: Jones moving forward. 67 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: And maybe this is a weird question, but do you 68 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: think he almost has to get used to having better protection? 69 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 2: You did better, I mean you did giant games last year. 70 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: You know how poor the offensive line played. They give 71 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 2: up eighty five sacks. 72 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: It was a mess. 73 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: It was not good, and it almost seemed like in 74 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: Week one he was anticipating some of that pressure even 75 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: when it wasn't there. He ran into a couple of sacks. 76 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: Do you think as this offensive line continues to play 77 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: a little bit better, he's going to gain confidence in 78 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: that line and that's gonna make his mental processing back 79 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: there a little bit better because he's not feeling is rushed. 80 00:03:54,320 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that they're The first game was 81 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 1: a bit of mental gymnastics. So you got to give 82 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: credit to Brian Floores, defensive coordinator. There were a lot 83 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: of looks that you, frankly couldn't tell is he coming 84 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: or is he not coming? Right? And it looked the same. 85 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes they drop guys out. Sometimes they rushed six guys. 86 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: So I think that if there were I couldn't pick 87 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 1: up a worse defense to go against in week one 88 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones and a new offensive line, right, So 89 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: I think that now moving forward, you don't get that confusion, 90 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: so to speak. And it's not that they were confused, 91 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: it's that the defense is hard to decipher. And now 92 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: you have an offensive line. Where as you said, they're 93 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: giving him time and I don't think he has to 94 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: get used to it. I think that he's going to 95 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: be able to go through his progressions more and then 96 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: when he has that comfort. Right, So, when you have 97 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: in week one, you know, eight guys on line of 98 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: scrimmage and it looks like a blaz in your head, 99 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: naturally you're gonna think, all right, if they do come, 100 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: I gotta get the ball out quickly. If they don't come, 101 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: or well, I still have to figure out where where 102 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: is my read. It wasn't so much for week two. 103 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: So I think that both the offensive line and Daniel Jones, 104 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: they were able to sit back and say, okay, it's 105 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: a four man rush. We know who to protect, we 106 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: know how to protect. Daniel Jones was comfortable knowing that 107 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: they're going to get the guys and then he had 108 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: time to throw Yeah, and. 109 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: We too he got to that one backside deep out 110 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: on a going to the second read on the other 111 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: side of the field, and I had, frankly, Jonathan, going 112 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: back to the last year or so, I didn't remember 113 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: the last time he even had a time in the 114 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: pocket to make that type of long, deep field read, 115 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: get to the backside, make a strong throw, step into it, 116 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 2: and not get hit after he made the throw. And 117 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: I thought that play, specifically against the Commanders, was one 118 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 2: that jumped out of me like, all right, wow, if 119 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: they can figure this out, I see some pieces here 120 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: that can. 121 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: Make this work. Yeah, one hundred percent agree. And going 122 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: back to your question about come for that is the 123 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: example of comfort. Right, He's he's back there and he's 124 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: able to go read one, read, two, red three all 125 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: the way to the backside, sit in and make a 126 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: throw right. So that is and it's encouraging. Frankly, right, 127 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: I know that unfortunately the Giants are owing two, but 128 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: if I'm a fan I'm watching the game, you want 129 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: to see your team doing this, And unfortunately the wins 130 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: may or may not come with it. But as long 131 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: as your team is doing this, they will eventually get 132 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: on a three game game, four game five game win 133 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: streak if they're doing the right things. You mentioned the 134 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: deep shots. 135 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: They didn't connect on those deep shots against Washington, But 136 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: I want to I want to make your perspective as 137 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: a defensive player though. Yea and Johnathan Cacio so I 138 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: know you're very close to I do the peering post 139 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: game with them. He always talks about this, John, I 140 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: don't care if they complete them. They just gotta take them. 141 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 1: Take those shots. 142 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: What does that do to a defense when you see 143 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: the offense is willing to take those shots down the field. 144 00:06:54,120 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what it does mentally? First, mentally, it tell 145 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: the safeties. It tells the corners we got to back up. 146 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: We gotta stay honest. Right, So you get a lot 147 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: of safeties, a lot of corners. If you don't threaten 148 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: them deep, they get flat footed. They break up on 149 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: all your routes. And that it's not just a passing 150 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: game that affects. It's the run game as well, because 151 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: now you're safetyes again flat footed, and they're ready to 152 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: break up on the run. So if you never threaten 153 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: the defense deep, you're gonna have these safeties that they're 154 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: lining up at eight all of a sudden, they're filling 155 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: the gaps at three yards four yards as opposed to 156 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: I have to take two steps back just in case 157 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: he throws a deep ball. And then now when they 158 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: fill in for the run game, that's at five six yards, right, 159 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: So that big difference is a first down you get 160 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: five yards, second down you get five yards. That's another 161 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: first down as opposed to safeties fill up first down 162 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: three yards, second down three yards. Now you're facing a 163 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: third and short. So that's the importance mentally for having 164 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: the deep ball. And then physically you don't You don't 165 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: have to connect on all of them. You just got 166 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: to connect on one, right, That's all you really need, right, 167 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: you just need to have one sixty yar bomb and 168 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everyone's like whoa, whoahoa, Okay, all right, 169 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: let's let's scratch that defense. Let's figure out what we're 170 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: gonna do, et cetera. Right, So, uh, the whole thing 171 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: is always about if you're gonna take the shots, make 172 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: sure they're calculated, and then try to connect on the 173 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: shots you take, And as long as you're continuing to 174 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: do that and stretch the defense, you're going to keep 175 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: them hones. And it opens up the run game. 176 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: What do you think about Molik Neighbors Part one of 177 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: the question, Part two the question what kind of impacts 178 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: someilar the deep balls? I think in some ways having 179 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: a guy like that on your offense, how does that 180 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: impact the defense and how they're game planning against you. 181 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, Molik Neighbors the best thing that I've seen about him. 182 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: His best skill set is high pointing the ball, making 183 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: those contested catches, And that is very important because you 184 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: can now have confidence in a wide receiver versus man 185 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: coverage that you can throw the fifty to fifty ball 186 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: and more than likely he will go up and get it. 187 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: And that's always scary for a defense for the cornerbacks. Right, 188 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: you can be in great coverage, all of a sudden 189 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: he out jumps you, he gets the ball and into 190 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: twenty yard completion. So I think that is an element 191 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: that the Giants didn't have prior to Neighbors. Now that 192 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: they have that element, I'm not saying defenses are going 193 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: to rejigger their scheme just yet, but you have the 194 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: ability or if you're Daniel Jones, the luxury of saying, okay, 195 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: nothing's open. I know if I throw this ball to neighbors. 196 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: It's a high likelihood he's going to go up and 197 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: get it. So I love that skill set about him. 198 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: And again, this is a rookie we're talking about. He's 199 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: having to figure out not only press man and best 200 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: corner going against them, but what coverages are throwing against him, 201 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: adjusting his routes based on the coverage. Being in single 202 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones, So there's a lot on his plate. 203 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of expectation. I would temper those expectations 204 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: and just continue to be happy with the process and 205 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: watch them developed. 206 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and no need him against the press man that 207 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: the Browns are going to play this week, and we'll 208 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: touch on that a little bit later. We talked about 209 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: the offensive line real quickly in pass protection. I thought 210 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: the run game they were really good. They saw a 211 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 2: lot of soft boxes, They ran a lot of that 212 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: duo stuff, and you mentioned singletary he made. He turned 213 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: a bunch of six yard runs into like fifteen yard 214 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 2: runs in that game, which is what you want out 215 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: of a running back. Would you think of the Giants 216 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: running game after again, we saw it in Week one. 217 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: They were getting the light boxes versus the vikings too. 218 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: They couldn't take advantage of it, but they could in 219 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: week two. 220 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the first thing is, which is very important, Daniel 221 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: Jones actually started running the football and that keeps the 222 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: defense honest. When you now have the zone read, they're 223 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: not anticipating Singletary getting the ball and now you have 224 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones who can take it out the back end. 225 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: So it goes back to keeping a defense honest. That 226 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: defensive end or outside linebacker or safety, now they cannot 227 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: fall back as quickly. And because they couldn't fall back 228 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: as quickly, that's what opened up the holes for Singletary. 229 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, he made that extra guy miss, 230 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: that one guy miss and get the big games. So 231 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: it was encouraging to see that. What was also encouraging 232 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: was to see that each offensive lineman at some point 233 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: was able to handle their own one on one block. 234 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: They didn't have to need the combo up, you know, 235 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: the chip combo up to the second level. And so 236 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: that's also something that you can take the rest of 237 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: the season, right and so, and again we should also 238 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: mention the Commanders D line is not too bad. They're 239 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: pretty good defensive front. So you look at this game 240 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: coming up Browns have a good defensive front as well. 241 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: They obviously have Miles Garrett. But you know that the 242 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: offensive line is capable of holding the one on one 243 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: blocks sustaining it. You know that Daniel Jones is capable 244 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: of taking it out the back end on a zone read. 245 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: It's not like he's going to score. But again, keeping 246 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: the defense hoes and as long as you can hold 247 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: up to those principles, it should be a good day 248 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: for the Giants. All right. 249 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 2: Now, let's go to the not so good, the defensive 250 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: side of the ball. And like I mentioned, I did 251 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: the postgame show with Jonathan can See as I watched 252 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 2: the game with him. As the Giants get gouge in 253 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: the running game, he still takes it personally now it 254 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: drives him nuts as a linebacker. He hates seeing teams 255 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: run the football. I'm sure you're the same exact way 256 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: when you watch the Giants run defense. Frankly, the first 257 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: two weeks it wasn't very good against the Vikings with 258 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: the commanders. What's going wrong there? And how do they 259 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: fix it? 260 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: What's going wrong? Tackling is what's going wrong? How do 261 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: they fix it? You spend time in practice doing tackling drills. 262 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: What we used to do with the Saints. We would 263 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: if we had a padded practice day, we would make 264 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: sure that we stopped the scout team's offensive players stop 265 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: his momentum. So what does that do? That forces you 266 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: to wrap them up, run your feet, stop his momentum, 267 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: and then let him keep running right finish the play. 268 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: And those little things helped out in the game because 269 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: it was one programming us to now react accordingly. You tackle, 270 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: you run your feet, you stop their momentum. The second 271 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: was that it gets your angles down right. So a 272 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: lot of poor tackling comes from a poor angle. Sometimes 273 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, you don't wrap up, et cetera. But a 274 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: lot of it is just that your timing is off, 275 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: your angles are off. And so in practice we made 276 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: an emphasis on doing that so we could be a 277 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: good tackling team. Because it's one thing. If someone's gonna 278 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: missattackle of course that always happens. The problem comes where 279 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: you have one player missa tackle, then you have two 280 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: or three other guys rallying, and then they took poor 281 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: angles and now they miss tackles as well. They're just 282 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: like arm tackling and stuff like that. So that's the 283 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: biggest thing that I saw. Fortunately, it's very easy to correct. 284 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: You just got to put an emphasis on it, and 285 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: then you have guys that want to do it right. 286 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: Okaya k he's been a tackling machine for years, so 287 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: we know that he's capable. McFadden same thing, right, So 288 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: defensive line, we know that they can do it. So 289 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: as I would say, it's encouraging in the sense of 290 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: it's not you know, fire sale where you have to 291 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: revamp your whole scheme. It's just a matter of putting 292 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: emphasis on tackling. Now. 293 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: In terms of the past defense, I believe it's the 294 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: first time in Giant's history that they've allowed quarterbacks in 295 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: the first two games of the year to complete I 296 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: think it's seventy eight percent of their passes or something 297 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: like that. There's been a lot of easy throws, and 298 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: they also give up some third and longs. Against the Commanders, 299 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: you have two third and thirteen's on the same drive. 300 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: I know the Giants player zone heavy ski scheme, Jonathan, 301 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: but is there a way to even if you're keeping 302 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: things in front of you, to be more aggressive where 303 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: you're not giving up so many of those easy passes 304 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: and then frankly just getting your depth right to not 305 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: allow some of those starn and long conversions. 306 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: Yes, So the short answer is, yes, you can be 307 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: more aggressive, can be more aggressive and not allowed for 308 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: completions up and down the field. I would say it's 309 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: a little harder to kind of dissect it because I 310 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: don't know if shame Bowen is teaching them right. So 311 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: Shame Bowen may be telling them, err on the conservative side, 312 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: and so you don't want to double move, And if 313 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: you don't want to double move, that means you're more 314 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: than likely going to be late reacting to the throws 315 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: right the pitch and catch, and so he could be 316 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: saying that. He could also be saying, hey, look, I 317 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: don't care what they do between the twenties right, as 318 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: long as when they get inside the twenty they don't score, 319 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: which was great to see against the Commanders right, seven 320 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: field goals zero for six for the Commander's offense in 321 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: the red zone. So those things, I don't know if 322 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: it's schematic, I don't know if it's a philosophy thing 323 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: with Shane Bowen. I would say the other part to 324 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: it is the tackle, right, it goes, it goes back 325 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: to that, right, So if you have a catch in 326 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: front of you for eight yards, well, don't let them 327 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: fall forward for another three that's a first down. Right, 328 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: If you have a catch in front of you for 329 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: six yards, don't let them fall forward and make it 330 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: third and short or second and short. So you know, 331 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: a lot of those things can be corrected. And I 332 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: mentioned it because that's what I saw on film. You 333 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: get a guy, they wrap him up, but all of 334 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: a sudden he's able to stretch forward, lean forward, wiggle 335 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: out of a tackle, and you're saying, oh man, the 336 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: defense is bad. No, the scheme was fine. They're where 337 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: they're supposed to be. The issue is that they didn't 338 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: execute the tackling portion of it, which is what's giving 339 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: up the big plays. 340 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that happened in a couple of those Jade 341 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: and Daniel scrambles. Isaiah Simmons missed the tackle on the 342 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: right side. That happened a couple of times over the 343 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: course of that game. All right, let's talk about the 344 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: match up real quick here before we say goodbye. Jonathan 345 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: Browns leaned into a lot of extra offensive line stuff 346 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: last week. Six offensive linemen, seven offensive linemen on the 347 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: field sometimes, are you almost having a flashback to your 348 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 2: playing days when when you start in the league, all 349 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: these teams are running cover two And the answer a 350 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 2: lot of teams seem to have you have now is like, 351 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 2: all right, well, we're just gonna pound you. Now, we're 352 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: gonna go big and we're gonna pound your two safeties 353 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: deep and kind of attack you that way. Is that 354 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: how you see more teams and how you saw the 355 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 2: Browns kind of try to work their offense a little 356 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: bit last week. 357 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad you brought it up. It's it's 358 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: just funny how the NFL works, right. 359 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: It's all cycle, dude, Everything comes back. 360 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: Everything comes back. Right. So everyone was with the big linemen, 361 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: big backers, you know, big safety, stop the run, stop 362 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: the run. All of a sudden, we said, the offense 363 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: is said, fine, will spread you out, and you know, 364 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: we'll pass the game. We'll use the passing game and 365 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: be pass happy. And then now defenses they've caught up 366 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: to the passing game. You know, Safeties are a little smaller, quicker, 367 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: they frankly, some of them can play corner. Right back 368 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: in the day, they definitely could have played corner. Same 369 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: thing with the corners able to move great speed, and 370 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: so you have backers now that are smaller, they're really 371 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: good in space, and so everyone has forgotten about how 372 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: to fit up the run game, and so the offenses 373 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: are now going back to it. And like you said, 374 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: I saw it with the Pats game. I called the 375 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: Pats game last week. They were going jumbo right, bringing 376 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: in that big offensive tackle. And so what I see 377 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: happening is the offenses are trying to give you personnel mismatches, 378 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: and they're trying to do it in game and then 379 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: keep you stuck in that personnel so that they can 380 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: continue to run, ground and pound until then you finally 381 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: decide to go big and then they open it back 382 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: up on you. So I like the chess match that's 383 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: going on. I do see it coming around the league 384 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: a lot. I think that it's again natural. I don't 385 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: even know what you call it, right, It's just the 386 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: progression I should say for the NFL for the offenses 387 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: where the defense is finally caught up to the passing game. Now, 388 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: let's go back to the running game. 389 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 3: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens, 390 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: So go to that retreat new you moves to the country. 391 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 3: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 392 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 3: you ready for all that life breaks? 393 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it's funny how everything does, in fact 394 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: always come back. How would you attack this Brown's defense? 395 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: You know they are not you know, kind of in 396 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: vogue NFL defense where it's you know, two safeties deep. 397 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: It's cool, it's cover two, it's cover four, it's cover six. 398 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: They run a ton of man demand. 399 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: You know, they're gonna get in your face in that 400 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 2: canna allow any easy completion. So if you're the giants, 401 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: how do you attack this defense when you come out 402 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: on Sunday afternoon? 403 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're the giants, any of these very aggressive 404 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: pressman teams, you attack them with their eyes, with misdirection, 405 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: with slip screens. So if you're neighbor, If I'm neighbors 406 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: and I'm the offense, I'm gonna make sure I put 407 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: him in motion. I'm gonna make sure that he's the 408 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: third man in a bunch formation. If I'm singletary, I'm 409 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: gonna figure out ways to get him again. Those slip screens, 410 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,239 Speaker 1: some screens out the backfield, get some screens to neighbors, right, 411 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: he's good with the ball Wandelle Robinson very good with 412 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands as well. And so what 413 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: you're doing is you're trying to tire out the defense laterally, 414 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: you just get him running latterly, get them running, keep 415 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: them running, and then all of a sudden you take 416 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: those timely shots over the top. And it doesn't always 417 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: have to be a design play. It could just be 418 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: one where I said, you're testing them right, keep those 419 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: those safeties honest. And if you can get the defensive 420 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: line running latterally instead of running at your quarterback, you 421 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: do that four or five times, sustain drives, you're gonna 422 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: find that the defense, like any other defense, they start 423 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: to get tired, they don't get off blocks as quickly, 424 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: and then that opens up the run game. So defense 425 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: is like that. Yeah, I'm a big fan of boots 426 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: rolling out the zone. Lead is gonna be great, especially 427 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones being able to run the football and 428 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: then the slip screens and then trying to hit them 429 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: over the top. Great. 430 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: All right, two more questions I like to ask defensive 431 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: players about great players on that side of the ball. 432 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: Miles garretson Freakschelle right, he's to seventy, moves like a 433 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: guy that's two fifty. When you watch that guy, does 434 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: he remind you of anyone that you played with or 435 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: played against when you were in the league, or and 436 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 2: then what just makes him so awesome? 437 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Miles Garrett, he is one of one. He is rare, 438 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: very very rare talent wise, generational talent. You already hit 439 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: it on the head. He's two seventy. He moves like 440 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: he's two fifty. He bends like he's a safety a corner. 441 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: It is ridiculous. I've never seen him more than like 442 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: three feet off the ground. So he gets in that 443 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: tracks dants. He never raises up. You get a lot 444 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: of guys that get in the track stance, they fire 445 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: off for like two steps, but then they raise up 446 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: and they're they're you know, six foot seven again, and 447 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, offensive offics can get them. He 448 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: is not like that man. He gets under everybody can bend. 449 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean it is to be honest, I'm a fan 450 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: watching him right and I know I have to be 451 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: unbiased on Sunday, but I just love watching great players. 452 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: He is a great player, great athlete, great motor. I 453 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: mean they always talk about outworking your opponent and all 454 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: that stuff. There's there's nothing you can do against a 455 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: guy who's more athletic than you and works just as 456 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: hard as you, right, like that, what are you gonna do? Right? 457 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: You need help? So you know, so you know watching 458 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: him that that's what I see. Right, He makes you 459 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: pay if you if you ever disrespect him by leaving 460 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: him one on one with an offensive tackle for more 461 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: than three seconds, he makes you pay. And that's what 462 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: great players do. 463 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's basically the same thing with Dexter Lawrence, right, 464 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: Like he can't block that dude one on one. 465 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: He's just bigger and more athletic than you. Yeah, And 466 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: you know what, I remember interviewing Dexter Lawrence last year 467 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: when he really started to come on, and I remember 468 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: asking him because the years prior he was really good, 469 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: but he wasn't. Now, you know, the best defensive tackle, 470 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: if not one of the best. And it goes back 471 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: to working hard. He said he kind of changed a 472 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: couple of things that he was doing in his preparation. 473 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: He was changing the way he ate his what he 474 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: was doing off the field as far as getting ready 475 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: for games, and that was it right because he was 476 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: already super athletic, super talented. This guy's three hundred and 477 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: fifty pounds runs with the best of them, as powerful 478 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: as any defensive tackle I've seen. And then all of 479 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: a sudden, he now has a work ethic behind it. Again, 480 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: I just get to sit back and watch right and 481 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: get to enjoy it. Feel bad for the offensive linement, 482 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: but he's a talent. 483 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. In the final question you liked to 484 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 2: you had to check match with quarterbacks and you were 485 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: a player as a minna linebacker. Right, you go back 486 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: and forth and watch him, And this is probably a 487 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: more complicated topic than we can cover here in our 488 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 2: in our final thirty seconds, But what's going on with 489 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 2: the Shawn Watson? Like he used to he was a 490 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: great quarterback man, like he led the league in passing yards, 491 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: and now he just doesn't look like the same guy 492 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: when you watch him. What's going on with the Shawn Watson? 493 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: Right now? What I see is a quarterback that is 494 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: still trying to figure out figure it out with his 495 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: wide receivers and his tight ends. It looks like it's 496 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: not about being on the same page. It's about trust, 497 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: and right now he doesn't have the trust to just one, two, three, 498 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: throw it, throw it to a spot and trust that 499 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: his man is going to get there. And I reference 500 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: my days with Drew Brees, him and Marcus Colston. It 501 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: was like Drew Brees could throw with his eyes closed 502 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: to the spot. He knew Marcus Colston was going to 503 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: get there right and it didn't matter what pressure was 504 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: in this face, it didn't matter what coverage. He just 505 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: trusted and knew it was gonna happen. And so when 506 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: you have that kind of trust, camaraderie with your with 507 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: your skill guys, it just makes for a very smooth, 508 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: efficient offense. And it's just not there yet. It'll I 509 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: don't know how long it'll take. You know, it's a 510 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: work in progress. He did play better in week two, 511 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: so that that's what I'm seeing, and the more I 512 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: guess time on tasks that they have together, they'll eventually 513 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: gain that trust. 514 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: Jonathan, this was great. Have an awesome call with our 515 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: with our guy Kitty Albert in week number three Giants 516 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: and Browns at one o'clock. Thanks so much of the time, man, 517 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 518 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: Oh thanks Jean, take care, you love turf. 519 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 3: You're good at it. So you start a turf fizz 520 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: business grows, your savings grow, become the most celebrated name 521 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: in turf. Are you ready for all that life brings? 522 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: That's Jonathan Bilma. 523 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: Great stuff out of him, and don't forget the Johns. 524 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: Total podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the official 525 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: bank of the Giants. From game day celebrations to your 526 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: everyday financial needs, Big Blue fans can get the most 527 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: out of every moment with Citizens. Learn more at citizens 528 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: bank dot com slash Giants. Now let's turn off our 529 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: attention to a closer look at the Cleveland Browns. Aaron 530 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: Goldhammer those morning radio Drive time in Cleveland for ESPN 531 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: Radio Cleveland. Here's my conversation with him. All right, that's 532 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: Jonathan Vilma. Now we welcome in Aaron Goldhammer ESPN Cleveland 533 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: Morning Drive, the really big show. Hamm a time. 534 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: What's going on, buddy? How are you? Oh Schvelke. 535 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 4: We've got a couple teams here that both need a win. 536 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 4: So I'm interested to see how this is gonna go 537 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 4: on Sunday because I have a feeling it's not gonna 538 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 4: be as easy for the Browns as all the prognosticators 539 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 4: in Vegas things. 540 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we just talked to Jonathan Vilma and I'll 541 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 2: get to the Browns injury report in a second, But 542 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: the last thing I asked him about was Deshaun Watson. 543 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: I asked him, from your perspective as a guy that 544 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: it's a game plan for quarterbacks your whole career as 545 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: a linebacker, what's wrong with Sehaan Watson? And he said 546 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: he does not see the trust in the receiver to 547 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: throw with anticipation was a big thing he talked about. Obviously, 548 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: you've been in the murk and the mud and the 549 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: grind with this for a few years. The hew, So 550 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: I'll ask you the same question from your perspective, what's 551 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: wrong with the Sean Watson. 552 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 4: We debated all off season John whether his problems were 553 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 4: his shoulder like physical or above the shoulders, which means 554 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 4: that something mentally is going on with him. And I 555 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 4: agree with Vilma that I think it is a psychological problem. 556 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 4: I think the guy has all the physical gifts that 557 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 4: he had when he was dominating at Clemson and when 558 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 4: he was kicking butt with the Houston Texans, But the 559 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 4: problem is I think that he does not have any 560 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 4: trust and swagger in himself. I think a lot of 561 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 4: that has been lost. And so here's what I think 562 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 4: the Browns have realized going through Week one against the Cowboys, 563 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 4: when they got dominated. In Week two when it was 564 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 4: ugly and slappy, but they played better against the Jaguars. 565 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: They need to treat Deshaun Watson like he's a rookie. 566 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 4: And I know that's wild for a guy who's making 567 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty million dollars in a contract and 568 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 4: is supposed to be a top five quarterback. They they 569 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: don't want to throw the ball fifty five times a game. Okay, 570 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 4: does any of this sound familiar to Giants fans and 571 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 4: what's going on with the Giant. They need to treat 572 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 4: him like they don't have Patrick Mahomes back there, and 573 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 4: so they need the lead. They need to run the ball. 574 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 4: They came out and played as much jumbo formation in 575 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 4: that Jacksonville game as I've ever seen in my life. 576 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 4: They played seven offensive linemen on like twenty five percent 577 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 4: of the snaps because they knew they were gonna have 578 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 4: trouble protecting and because they knew they had a deficiency 579 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 4: at quarterback and until Deshaun can slowly brick by Brick 580 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 4: rebuild himself into the quarterback that he was. I think 581 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 4: there are four rookie quarterbacks starting on Sunday, Okay in 582 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 4: the NFL. Jaden Daniels is one, Caleb Williams is Won 583 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 4: Bonnet in Denver, and Deshaun Watson in Cleveland. I think 584 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 4: that's the way the Browns have to look. 585 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: At it well. 586 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: And not a bad week to run the ball, given 587 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: the Giants gave up more than two hundred yards last 588 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: week to the Commanders, I expect it'll be a heavy 589 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: dose before you get more to the brown stuff. Hammer. 590 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: Just so fans that we're recording this at around to 591 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: ten on Thursday, so injury stuff might change. I went 592 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: to the Browns injury report yesterday. I counted approximately two 593 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: thousand players on the injury report. Uh, which one of 594 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: these guys should we take seriously as to who might 595 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: not play? Because there's some big names on here, like 596 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: Miles Garrett's a Darius Smith, Denzel Ward, Jedrick Wills, Jerry 597 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: Judy David and Jokudwan Jones. Like Miles Garrett, there's a 598 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 2: lot of guys Martin Emerson that are on this list, 599 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: who's who you think is realistic and who's not. 600 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 4: You mentioned Miles twice, and you should mention him like 601 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 4: three more times because he's He's the most important guy 602 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 4: that's on that list. John And I think he's gonna play, 603 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 4: but I think he's gonna be a little limited. I 604 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 4: don't think he's one hundred percent. I think the foot 605 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 4: injury is real. I think it plays into the way 606 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 4: and the number of snaps that he played in Jacksonville. 607 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 4: And I think he'll play, but I don't know that 608 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 4: he'll be out there on every play. I wouldn't expect that. 609 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 4: Denzel Ward was on a pitch count last week, also 610 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 4: against Jacksonville. And I think the Browns have to approach 611 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 4: this smartly. I mean, on the one hand, they know 612 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 4: they don't want to take the Giants lightly, But on 613 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 4: the other hand, they've got a couple winnable games here 614 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 4: that aren't exactly against division opponents and aren't exactly in conference, 615 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 4: So I think they'll be more careful with guys. Not 616 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: that they think the win against New York is automatic, 617 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 4: but just if you're gonna have Miles Garrett for the 618 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 4: whole game, would you rather pick the Giant game or 619 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 4: would you rather pick the Ravens or the Bengals, And 620 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 4: they got to keep him healthy for fifteen more weeks. 621 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 4: The other thing I'll say about the injury situation is 622 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 4: that the tackle right now, John, I don't know who 623 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 4: the Browns left tackle is on Sunday and I don't 624 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 4: know who the Browns right tackle is on Sunday. Other 625 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 4: than that, the tackle situation's in great shape. They hope 626 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 4: to have Conklin, who's been an All Pro before back. 627 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: Can he make it through the whole game? 628 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 4: I don't know. Jedrick Willis is unlikely to play in 629 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 4: this game in my opinion. Again, you gave everybody the time, 630 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 4: and things can change. He's the Browns starting left tackle 631 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 4: and I think he'll probably be out, So you know, 632 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 4: it's going to be a little bit of a moving 633 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 4: target here figuring out who's going to be on opposite 634 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 4: end of the Browns offensive line. And I'm sure you've 635 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 4: been talking about this. I think Thibodeau and Burns are 636 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 4: keys for the Giants here. They've got to show up 637 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 4: and welcome to the season. Guys. It's time to get 638 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 4: some pressure on the quarterback because I think there's going 639 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 4: to be an opportunity for them to have a big 640 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 4: game against the Browns. 641 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 2: Which is why the Browns don't want to drop back 642 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: and throw the ball over thirty times a game. As 643 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: you talked about, Amari Cooper really strangely unproductive in his 644 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: first two games this year. Jerry Judy's been more so productive. 645 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: I believe it's the last time Amari Cooper are less 646 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: than twenty yards receiving in two straight games since the 647 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: last two games he played for the Raiders before you 648 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: trade to the Cowboys. Yeah, is he unhappy or is 649 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: this just the deal where it just happens to two 650 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: weird games in a row and there are no issues there. 651 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 4: Well, I think that the unhappy thing plays into this 652 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 4: because he didn't show up at the mandatory mini camp 653 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 4: because he was unhappy with his contract. He's in the 654 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 4: last year of his deal. And I think that if 655 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 4: Brandon Ayuk wanted to come to the Cleveland Browns, that 656 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 4: Amari Cooper would be a member of the San Francisco 657 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 4: forty nine ers and Ayuk would be on Cleveland. But Ayuk, 658 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know what he was thinking. Is 659 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 4: he was navigating that whole charade for six weeks during 660 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 4: training camp. So I think Amari's human, and I think 661 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: all of this has affected him. I think the opportunity 662 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 4: to go play for San Francisco for him actually would 663 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 4: have been really cool. You know, it's a Super Bowl 664 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 4: contending team. The Browns are runs are good, but they're 665 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 4: probably a little bit less than that, And so I 666 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 4: think this all has just been a whirlwind. They got 667 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 4: some of the contract stuff figured out, give him a 668 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 4: little bit more guaranteed money. But John, it's not just 669 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 4: the lack of production. If you go back and watch, 670 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 4: he has dropped a touchdown pass in each of the 671 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 4: first two games, and so that is very un Amari 672 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 4: Cooper like. He is one of the most surehanded players 673 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 4: in the NFL. So I would expect that this is 674 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 4: just a little bump and then he'll play better as 675 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 4: the season goes on. But I do think that the 676 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 4: whole dynamic with him and the way the offseason went, 677 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 4: I can't help but assume that that's playing into his 678 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 4: production and the way he's played through the first two weeks. 679 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: All right, two quick questions on the defense. You know, 680 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz, wide nine man to man defense, all that 681 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: stuff have you seen the Browns double other teams number 682 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: one dynamic wide receivers or they just play their mandeman 683 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: and trust a guy like Denzel Ward to cover. I'm 684 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: curious to see how teams start adjusting to the rather 685 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: large target share League Neighbors had in Week two. 686 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 4: Yes, and I would expect that the Browns will try 687 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 4: to take that away. Jim Schwartz is a Bill Belichick disciple, 688 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 4: and what did Bill do whenever he played, you know, 689 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 4: Giants ever play any big games against Bill Belichick? Take 690 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 4: away the thing that you do best. So I would 691 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 4: expect that the Browns are going to do that. I 692 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 4: also don't know John that you're going to see a 693 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 4: ton of Ward on Neighbors, because A it's a size 694 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 4: mismatch for the Giants, and B it is you know, 695 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 4: he's hampered with that injury that you brought up. So 696 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 4: I think MJ. Emerson is going to get the bulk 697 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 4: of that assignment. And don't think that that's necessarily good 698 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 4: news for the Giants, because I think that MJ is 699 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 4: one of the best young corners in the NFL and 700 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 4: can hold his own against Malikue Neighbors. But I think 701 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 4: the Browns are going to try to take the tact 702 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 4: on defense that they're going to try to make somebody 703 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 4: else beat them other than the stud rookie Wivers who's 704 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 4: getting eighteen targets a game or whatever. 705 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 2: All Right, just give me one thing or two things 706 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 2: hammer that people nationally haven't noticed or know about the 707 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 2: Browns that locally, you guys think is a much bigger 708 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 2: deal that maybe someone like me might not be locked 709 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: in and on a focus about that Giant fans should 710 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 2: be paying attention to on Sunday. 711 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 4: They have really good special teams. They have one of 712 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 4: the best kickers and one of the best punters in 713 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,959 Speaker 4: the league. They won in part last week because their 714 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 4: punter was so good. They won because the fifth their 715 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 4: kicker has made his last ten from fifty plus in 716 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 4: Dustin Hopkins. So I'd look out definitely for that. And 717 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 4: then I've been disappointed john in the Browns non Miles 718 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 4: Garrett pass rush so far this year. And I first 719 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 4: of all, I think that he's going to be over 720 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 4: Andrew Thomas for part of the game, and so I 721 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 4: think that's a great matchup to watch. And I also 722 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 4: think that you know, you brought up Zadarius Alex wright 723 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 4: Obo Kuronquo. Some of the guys that Browns are paying 724 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 4: big money on the inside need to arrive for the 725 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 4: season and the same way that Burns and Thibodeau do 726 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 4: for the Giants. And I think that this game is 727 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 4: going to be close. And my guess is that you 728 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 4: know what shows up here? Do Burns and Thibodeaux show 729 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 4: up or do the Browns interior and opposite Miles, Garrett 730 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 4: pass Rusher show up. I think that's a huge narrative 731 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 4: in this game. 732 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 2: Hammer, enjoy the game, man, I'll see you Sunday. Thank you, 733 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 2: great stuff from Goldhammer, great stuff from Vilma. The Giants 734 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: Little Podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the official 735 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 2: bank of the New York Giants. Citizens will donate seven 736 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty bucks of the Giants Foundation for each 737 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 2: scoring drive during the twenty twenty four season. Learn more 738 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 2: at citizensbank dot com slash Giants. We thank our two guests, 739 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 2: really good information, more of a macro level and the 740 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 2: matchup stuff from Jonathan Vilma from Fox Sports. And again 741 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 2: they have the Call on Fox this weekend. Then Aaron 742 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 2: Goldhammer going inside the Cleveland Browns a little bit so 743 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 2: Giant Fans get a real feel for some of the 744 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 2: important details of this matchup that could determine the winner 745 00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 2: on Sunday. 746 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with. 747 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 2: Us in the Giants Ittle Podcast. Everybody, We'll see you 748 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: next time.