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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, would rather be drinking at

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Speaker 1: the Cozy? Yeah? Well, welcome to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast, presented by the United States Marine Corps.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan hands As I'm joining in a

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Speaker 1: room that's filled with heroes Mark Sassler, Chris Westling, and

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Speaker 1: and Greg rosa Thal. What is up, boys, drinking at

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Speaker 1: the Cozy? It's been a minute. I have to rectify that.

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Speaker 1: The best thing about the Cozy is when the holidays come.

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Speaker 1: And Mark you know this very well. When the holidays come,

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Speaker 1: keep it up for dog. Mark would to see months

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Speaker 1: been inside. I gotta rectify that. Uh. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Tuesday edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. We have

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Speaker 1: so much to get to. We're going to finish out

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Speaker 1: Week nine with our Monday Night football recap NFC East

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Speaker 1: battle between the Cowboys and Giants. Also, we're gonna preview

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Speaker 1: the first game of Week ten, a nice a f

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Speaker 1: C West battle at the black Hole. Uh. That should

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Speaker 1: be a fun game to watch. Potentially, we got a

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Speaker 1: nice seg, good segs, Greg Road a banger, and his

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Speaker 1: most recent debrief column, what great intro. What we've loved

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Speaker 1: about the twenty nineteen season so far. It's like that

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Speaker 1: time of year, you know, that's mid season. It's kind

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Speaker 1: off this week. This is where you got to grind through.

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Speaker 1: And what cares you through is the love. You know,

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Speaker 1: That's what gives you the energy keeps you going to work.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise then you're just a miserable, sad sack. Uh. Maybe

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Speaker 1: if we have some time, we'll dig into an issue

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes with Eric who who is not happy

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Speaker 1: the listeners, off Mike, Off Mike. But before we do

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Speaker 1: And Dak Prescott I thought put it pretty well after

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Speaker 1: seasons and Minshew is sitting on the bench and we

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Speaker 1: never see him again. I just don't think that's tenable.

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Speaker 1: He's there's too much to work with and development. Someone's

433
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna come calling for him at some point. There's also

434
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Speaker 1: something to be said for leaving the last taste in

435
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: everyone's mouth Nick Foles Philadelphia success, and then try to

436
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: flip that in the off season. Because and choose mobility

437
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: worked really, really well behind this offensive line, I'll wonder

438
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: how fools will work behind this offensive line. It makes sense.

439
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: You always want to have a backup quarterback who can

440
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: play and keep your season alive of disaster strikes. But yeah,

441
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: he signed a four year, eighty eight million dollar deal

442
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: twenty two million a year. He still has value on

443
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Speaker 1: the market. I would think if they do make that decision,

444
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Speaker 1: they would not keep keep around a backup at that rate.

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00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: They would probably trade him Uh for salary cap purposes

446
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But I guess there's a scenario where they

447
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: could couch it and have both guys on this roster

448
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Speaker 1: going forward. I just doubt it. I mean, I think

449
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: that teammates next year. A backup gould be a backup

450
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: that Uh comes in late in the season when Minshew

451
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Speaker 1: gets hurt and Falls plays well, I think they'll both

452
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Speaker 1: be on the roster. Yeah, I think Falls are gonna

453
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Speaker 1: have to play well enough and everyone's gonna have to

454
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Speaker 1: keep their jobs or then then things are just up

455
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Speaker 1: in the air. Falls works in this offense, Well, well yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: she won't. Let's just say what is the reaction because

457
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: there's a there's a societal element to minshow two in

458
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: a football fan element, and I think it's kind of

459
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: bold of the Jaguars to benjam and do what they're

460
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Speaker 1: doing the fulls. I give them some credit for thinking

461
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Speaker 1: for themselves on this one number one. But let's say

462
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Speaker 1: Folds goes out of the next two games and generates

463
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Speaker 1: six or seven turn members. I'm just saying it's a

464
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Speaker 1: possible because he's he's a fumbler too, and he can

465
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Speaker 1: throw his share of intersections. What is the reaction and

466
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Speaker 1: what do you do then? Because I think they tried

467
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Speaker 1: to avoid stepping right into a big controversy by not

468
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Speaker 1: starting fulls for the rest of the year. But you'll

469
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Speaker 1: be right back in one um follow me on this

470
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Speaker 1: if if you are a listener and you think that

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Speaker 1: they would entertain moving falls in the offseason if it

472
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Speaker 1: came to that, Listen to the cornerbacks. And we've kind

473
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Speaker 1: of touched on this, but now it's becoming it's coming

474
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: into focus even more. The quarterbacks that could be available

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Speaker 1: to teams this offseason. Cam potentially Dalton, we know Mariotto,

476
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Speaker 1: we know Phil Rivers, potentially Flacco, Eli Teddy Bridgewater, maybe

477
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Speaker 1: Nick Foles, maybe Tom Brady. Tom Brady isn't maybe than

478
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Speaker 1: Than Breezes even more of it. Maybe both of those

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00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: guys have There's been no reporting connecting briefs. There's so

480
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: much smoke, right, there's so much financial uh reasons for

481
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: both the Saints and the Patriots that would make it

482
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Speaker 1: very difficult to move on from either of those guys.

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00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: They have very similar type contracts that they have to

484
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Speaker 1: point there's a lot of big name I feel like

485
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: this hasn't happened in a very long now. I would

486
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Speaker 1: say there's a there are strong reasons why list is

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Speaker 1: available to alright. Moving on, de Sean Jackson, who was

488
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: supposed to be ripping the tops off defenses for the

489
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, is instead heading to injured reserve. That abdomen

490
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Speaker 1: injury that he suffered in Week one or a week

491
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Speaker 1: two and is he attempted to come back on Sunday,

492
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: pulled himself out of the lineup because he wasn't feeling

493
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Speaker 1: right well. Now he needs core muscle surgery. So ded

494
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: acts will exit the picture for the Eagles, and it's

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00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: kind of Gregor what if scenario for Philadelphia, who could

496
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Speaker 1: certainly use a guy like Jackson, And we've seen it

497
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Speaker 1: this year. A lot of people, myself included, thought Carson

498
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: Wentz could be an m VP type player. This year.

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Speaker 1: The offense has not been explosive, and maybe if Jackson

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Speaker 1: was there would have changed some things. It would have helped.

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00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: I really think so. And he signed for the next

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Speaker 1: two years at pretty reasonable salaries, so you know he

503
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: should be back with them next year. You would think

504
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: they have to work so hard to score. They moved

505
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: down the field slowly. Maybe Jeffrey is a little healthier

506
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Speaker 1: after the break, But I think I just who they're

507
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Speaker 1: gonna be. Two tight ends, got Her and Urts a

508
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: lot of running the ball, and their defense is gonna

509
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Speaker 1: need to play better than it did the first six

510
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Speaker 1: or seven weeks. There's some signs that that they might.

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Speaker 1: This is doubly painful because I got the sense that

512
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Speaker 1: they didn't make a trade at the deadline because they

513
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: were counting on DeShawn Jackson to come back. And I've

514
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: seen enough of mac Hollins. We don't need to see

515
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: him anymore. What's wrong with j J Artha Whiteside that

516
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Speaker 1: he can't get on the field. He was on the

517
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: field for the first three or four weeks and like Collins,

518
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: could not you know, he's got a second capitalize on

519
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: his targets and was not getting the ball too often.

520
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: I would have named our Sega Thumb because you could

521
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: then have thumb Arthega or or thombounce it Tom and

522
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: take that and get you know, keep it at Arthega.

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Speaker 1: So even though it says people are gonna say, oh,

524
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Speaker 1: I should say thomb No, no, no, you save that

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Speaker 1: for Arthega. I mean another guy that's probably had some struggles, uh,

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00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: you know with friends and others people for a long

527
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: time going on there. Uh, it's been a bad season

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland, Mark as you know. Uh and this week

529
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: the criticism is piling up at the quarterback position at

530
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Speaker 1: head coach. But uh, they didn't need this. Germaine Whitehead,

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Speaker 1: who's a starting safety, started all eight games for the team.

532
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: After a really bad game against the Broncos in which

533
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: he whipped on a tackle um no offense long touchdown

534
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: catch at mile high, some fans got after him on

535
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: Twitter and he could not resist the urge to punch back,

536
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: and punch back he did well. It was Dustin Fox, right,

537
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: former player, and he was getting people. But he hit

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00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: back at Fox and others with some racial epithets and

539
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: also uh, some threats, some physical threats. He all people

540
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: are saying, where's your address? He listed the Brown's facility,

541
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: obviously a wretched look for whitehead who should know better. Uh.

542
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: And the Browns promptly, um, you know, took him to

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00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: task with an official statement on Sunday night and then

544
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: placed him on waivers on Sunday. So this is not

545
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: just like a bottom of the roster guy. He was

546
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: a starting safety on the team and now his his

547
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: tenure with the Browns is over, and I imagine this

548
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: is going to hurt him finding a job. Released him

549
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: as they should. I mean, this isn't the dawn of

550
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: Twitter or the dawn of social media. There are courses

551
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: heaped on these players all off season and into the

552
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: season about what is going to cost you career wise

553
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: if you choose to take a major misstep on Twitter

554
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: or et cetera. It is got to suck to be

555
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: a player and have to deal with if you have

556
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: a tough performance. People have no idea how to assess

557
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: what a safety is doing on any given play, and

558
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: people just coming at you and you have to use

559
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: the self control to not fire back. But if you don't,

560
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: if you choose not to, teams are not going to

561
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: put up with it, especially with what he wrote. I've

562
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: said that to you so many times over the years.

563
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: Mark to me, I pulled you aside. I said, delete

564
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: that tweet. I mean, I'll play with fire, but I'm

565
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: not on an NFL stop so I think the lives

566
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: of our listeners. It's no way to build, you know.

567
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Okay, you think these players have it bad?

568
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: Asked asked Ricky or Colleen Wolf like women in sports,

569
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: they've got it even worse on Twitter and and yeah

570
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: and fire back either half the time and it's just

571
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: like or all the time. Yeah, not fair. I would

572
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: if you wanted to throw out some threats people that

573
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: are being inappropriate toward you, Riggy, I would stand behind you. Yeah,

574
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: I'd do like a dead spit thing. I'd walk out.

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00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: You would That's really sweet? Absolutely market could you then

576
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: quietly returned to the I was gonna say, I don't

577
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: feel like that's your end game. I'd go home and

578
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: talked to Emily about what happened, and then I just

579
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: I do the move. Larry David famously um he worked

580
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: for SNL briefly Saturday Night Live, and he was not

581
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: a good fit there because he's a weirdo. A beautiful weirdo,

582
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: but a weirdo. And one day he was frustrated that

583
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: the things weren't going right, so he just he quit.

584
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: He announced his quitting and he walked out. And then, uh,

585
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: the following week, he just came back to the office

586
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: and tried to act like nothing happened. Didn't work out.

587
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: George Costanza did the same thing, and a sign filed up.

588
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: I believe he worked with Julie Louis dreyfuss On said

589
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: he did, well, what do you guys make of of

590
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: the Browns, you know, taking off, you know, taking him

591
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: off the roster, but they also hired Kareem Hunt. So

592
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: do you think it's just like a PR move or

593
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: how do you I mean, I don't know. I wondered

594
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: if if the perception was not out there that Freddie

595
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: Kitchens has no control over these players, because that is perception.

596
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: With the penalties and Baker Mayfield shaving three times when

597
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: he shows up, the players wearing bad cleats, It's all

598
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: part of the same story that's been going on for

599
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: two months. I was gonna ask Mark, do you think

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Speaker 1: if this was any other team but the Browns, would

601
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: it still be the same outcome. I think a bunch

602
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: of teams would have gotten rid of a player that

603
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: did what he did. But I would say, to Erica's point,

604
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: the Browns, if you look at what they've done under

605
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: John Dorsey, it there is reason to suggest there's some

606
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: hypocrisy going on there and that they've signed players that

607
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: don't fall into the conduct zone at all. For what

608
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: you'd want to put out there for your friends, I

609
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: I would venture to say he's played almost every snap

610
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: this season for them. Uh that if he had not

611
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: gotten run over by Noah fanse in in Ah. You know,

612
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: to a player, I would say would be an unfortunate way,

613
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: I guess would be the nicest way to say it

614
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: and have a disastrous game. That he might not have

615
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: been cut And there was a lot of pr He

616
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: said he was playing with a broken hand, Well like

617
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: a broken brain. Come on, bro User. Moving on the

618
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: final word on that story, Uh, the Athletic put out

619
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: a story, uh that you know, got some buzz. On Monday,

620
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: Vincent bon Signori wrote that there's a possibility of the

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Speaker 1: Chargers moving to London. It's something that's been broached among

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00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: league personnel. And that same report also indicated the team

623
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: would quote at least listen if the prospect was broached, Okay,

624
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: And that was kind of the extent of the reporting

625
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: around this, and then it went into It was a

626
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: long piece that featured UM quotes from Dean Spanos, the

627
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: Charger's owner, but not in direct connection uh to that report,

628
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: and also some high ranking nfl UK officials involved with it.

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00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: But at all UM doesn't seem to have any legs

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00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: at least right now, because Dean Spanos was approached by

631
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: UM Chargers Beat reporters today Tuesday, and he had this

632
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: to say, We're not going to London. We're not going anywhere.

633
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: We planned to be in l A for a long time.

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00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: That was bulls. That story via the l A Times

635
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: and then the Chargers Twitter account. Minutes later, UM piped

636
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: in with this famous scene from the Scorsese film The

637
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: Wolf of Wall Street. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving

638
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: I love dold you like this movie, Mark, I loved it.

639
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. DiCaprio one of the great underrated actors.

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00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: He's great and and rock and ball to me a scene? Uh, Greg,

641
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: what did this have this all play for you? I

642
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: don't know what to make of it, other than being

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Speaker 1: clear on what he actually reported. Wasn't you know, too aggressive?

644
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: He just he said there were some league discussions. You know,

645
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Speaker 1: It's it's hard to under to know where in the

646
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: league or how important that would in that you know,

647
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: someone within the Chargers that they would listen. And yet

648
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: the the article has a quote from Spanos right off

649
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: the top that you know, said they're committed to l

650
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Speaker 1: A if he had used the words, I think that

651
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Speaker 1: he used Monday and they used and that was the

652
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Speaker 1: quote in the piece. Is there even is there a

653
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Speaker 1: that's what? That's what the question? I don't know what

654
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Speaker 1: to make the framing of the question to Spanos because

655
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: such a different response, a profane response to reporters and

656
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: angry response to reporters, but something far more measured that

657
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: was used on this piece. Did the reporter for the

658
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: Athletic laid out clearly that, according to his reporting, that

659
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: it was something that the league would be interested in doing,

660
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: that the Charges would be listening to. Uh was that specifically?

661
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: Did he utter that to Dean spound Us before getting

662
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: his sound by, Because that, to me makes a difference.

663
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: They are the only team renting and not owning their home,

664
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Speaker 1: and they're in a city that doesn't necessarily want more

665
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: need to teams, so they're always gonna be spoken about

666
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: as a team that's gonna move. I mean, they've gone

667
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: through this, they just went through this. That's the only

668
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: thing that's I think if you're a Chargers fan that's

669
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Speaker 1: actually come with them and in in still as rooting

670
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Speaker 1: for the l A Chargers when you are San Diego

671
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Chargers and there are some of those fans they know

672
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: they take a lot of pot shots, and there aren't

673
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: there aren't a ton of them, but they're in Orange

674
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: County and in some of the San Diego fans. It's

675
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: he's got to come out aggressively against this because if

676
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: you want to, you know, get rid of the fan

677
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 1: sport that you do have stories like this, they're gonna

678
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, the reporting that I would love

679
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: to have in depth is go to the highest people

680
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: in the league and find out where their heads are

681
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: at at this point with the Chargers actually moving to

682
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: Henry Hodson Henry Henry, or maybe it's just a little

683
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: bit lower than Henry, but yeah, just you know, I mean,

684
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: this is not a problem that's going to go away.

685
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: It's going to magnify as the optics change and suddenly

686
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: they are in a massive stadium when they can't fill

687
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: a small one. And this is purely opinion, it has

688
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: nothing to do with anyone involved with this, but the

689
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: NFL A team would work in London. I I having

690
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: been there twice, having seen their support, having just looking

691
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: at the data of how the people have packed that stadium,

692
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: how the sport is growing over there, I think it's

693
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: absolutely something logistically that they could make work. And I

694
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: know there would be challenges and what players want to

695
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: play there, and that's all been discussed. I believe that

696
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: not only would it work, and they did touch on

697
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: this in the article, that it is a potential gold

698
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: golden opportunity, uh for for a charge a team like

699
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: the Chargers to kind of re establish itself and become

700
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: perhaps a business superpower of the NFL. If if if

701
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: it worked, So I think it's gonna happen eventually, but

702
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: whether it's gonna be the Chargers or whomever, I don't know.

703
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: But it just seems like London is ready for a team,

704
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: and also is the ready made stadium which we were

705
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: just at that was built for the NFL. For the NFL,

706
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: they have ann stadium in the NFL locker rooms separate

707
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: from the soccer locker rooms that is locked and loaded

708
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: right in the middle of London. There's no way to

709
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: cleanly uproot a team and take it to another city.

710
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: It's just it's the worst thing you can do as

711
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: a sports franchise to the people that have made it

712
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: possible for you to even leave. And the Jaguars are

713
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: obviously always the team that people you know associate because

714
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: because KHN has you know, investment, you know, has the

715
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: soccer team and has been part of the stadium there.

716
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: I I don't know, it's easy to say that a

717
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: team and makes sense there, but I really don't think

718
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: it could happen unless they lay the ground or in

719
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: this CBA which is coming up, so it might come

720
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: to a head. I feel like in the next year

721
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: or two, if they're gonna move, they have to get

722
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: buying from the players. It all sort of has to

723
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: be organized, you know. When that c b as I

724
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: would say, if you can't get Philip Rivers to move

725
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: his eight children the hour and forty five minutes from

726
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 1: San Diego to Los Angeles, I don't think you're gonna

727
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: get him to move to the United Kingdom. And to

728
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: be clear, I think the buying I don't know about

729
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: the league and the owners and the players. That's unclear

730
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: the buying, but that market they're ready to buy in.

731
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: Can we say the same about Los Angeles with two teams?

732
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can, but it seems like

733
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: London would be able to handle team and thrive with

734
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: it well. And probably the biggest teas they've had in

735
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: terms of a news story coming out suggesting someone is

736
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: potentially in place, and the reaction from people we know

737
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: over there was big. Well, London. The thing is with

738
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: those fans, and I think the Jagguards have done a

739
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: nice job. They can root for more than one team,

740
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: like you can have like the Jaguar. They're kind of

741
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the UK from what I gathered,

742
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: like their second team, like you like them, like if

743
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: you don't have the same sort of tribal I grew

744
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: up in New England, so I'm gonna root for the

745
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: Patriots to begin with. Then I think you're willing to

746
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: support different things, and I've noticed this year. I don't.

747
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: I kind of like the trend of there's visiting fans

748
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: in a lot more stadiums because of the secondary market

749
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: is so different. There were a ton of Vikings fans

750
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: at the Chief, so it's not just bad. It's not

751
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: just stadiums without great fan bases. There are a ton

752
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: of Vikings fans at the Chief. Eagles fans in Buffalo.

753
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: There were a ton of Patriots fans at the Ravens game.

754
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: There were a ton of Cowboys fans at the Giants.

755
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: You know, I think that kind of we were there

756
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: for for Rams Cowboys, and I thought that was a

757
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: great atmosphere. It's kind of fun when they're you know

758
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: that you have that soccer field where there's two fan

759
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: bases in the same But that was I would argue

760
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: that was almost like Cowboys fans in terms of noise.

761
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: But I thought, but that's you think it's cool, and

762
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: I think it's cool. But I don't think the Rams

763
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: thought that was cool. At a playoff game. All right,

764
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: let us move on. That's what's happening in the news,

765
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: and of course we will continue to follow that story

766
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: wherever it leads. If it leads nowhere, all right, let's

767
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: get it. Ricky, you got upset with me because you

768
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: did a really nice job UM sending some potential store

769
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: UM segment ideas UM for today's show. You sent it yesterday.

770
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: I was in the middle of my power rankings and

771
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: I didn't give it a thought that it deserved. So

772
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: I apologize for that, UM, And I know it's on

773
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: your radar that we're doing a segment called what We've

774
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: Loved about the twenty nineteen season so far. Yeah, it's

775
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: pretty funny. So I just want to put it on

776
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: record that I get it. But keep the ideas coming you. Yeah,

777
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: you just for the listeners. I want you guys to

778
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: know that I was like, Okay, let's look at what's trending.

779
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: You know, Dan, you like to stay on top of

780
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: what's going on. Frozen to what what you know? Storylines?

781
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: Do we need to what's frozen two? Two? Okay? What

782
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: about what about Lizzo is over party? It's a K

783
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: pop feud with Lizzo, you know Blizzard wide receiver of

784
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: the packers exactly what what you know? Players are we

785
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: feuding with or we're not really saying like what we're with.

786
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: There's a lot of m v P talk. What about

787
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: the opposite of that? What about players we thought were

788
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: going to be Yeah, I'll help you out with you know,

789
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: um and I had another bumble idea that was very fun.

790
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: It might be something you know to do because you

791
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: normally do a segment shows. Right now, I want to

792
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: make it very clear it doesn't matter what happens in

793
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: the NFL over the next seven days. Our segment on

794
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: next Tuesday show will be one of those ideas or

795
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: a newer Ricky idea, a Ricky centric seg idea next

796
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Tuesday only on the Around the NFL podcast. Okay, but

797
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: the best part about this whole thing is I like

798
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: put all this time and spending, you know, writing up

799
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: all these things in my email side. I know you're

800
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: really busy with power rankings, so I thought i'd send

801
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: you some news items to try to make your day easier.

802
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: You did say thank you, and I sent you some

803
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: some news and I sent you segments and then on

804
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Speaker 1: the Rundown Today segment What we've loved about the twenty

805
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: nineteen season. This is this is grinding you very funny,

806
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: don't you think I told you? I'm sorry, Yeah, I

807
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: love it. I just I think you know it's new too.

808
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: You've never done that before and the NFL season. You've

809
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: never sent the ideas before, right, this was a first? Right? No, well,

810
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: like in this way you've never done it. Like, maybe

811
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: not the most welcome environment to send ideas, I would

812
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: say out there. No, that's absolutely false. Mark, it's a

813
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: great environment. Please send ideas. But if if it's going

814
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: to be something that happens every week, will be more

815
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: kind of on my mind. It was in my mind

816
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: and then it exited my mind because I was busy.

817
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: But that won't happen again if it happens for multiple weeks. No,

818
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: I think it's my I just wanted to try to

819
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: make your day okay, get it. And I'm really happy

820
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: that you're super busy with all other other shows that

821
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: now that's that's also I could see there's a little

822
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Speaker 1: bit of a knife being sure shadowy League figure in

823
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Speaker 1: the building. How's your fantasy show? It's doing really well.

824
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for the plug da fun. Appreciate it. You do

825
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: good work on that. I saw you did a remote

826
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: from the huddle our commissary. Yeah, it was good, good stuff.

827
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Speaker 1: What we've loved about the two thousand nineteen season so far,

828
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: all right, so let's go around the horn and share

829
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Speaker 1: what we've loved. Greg. We're gonna start with you. Well,

830
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, I have to start with Lamar. But the

831
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: reason I love what the Ravens are doing and Lamar

832
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: Jackson is just that it's counter to everything else in

833
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: the league. That they are taking an approach sort of

834
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: from the seventies or eighties or Hector like the twenties,

835
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: and they're making it new with a with a player

836
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: who has a skill set unlike anything we've ever seen.

837
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the history of the NFL. There

838
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: are no new plays, there are no like new offenses.

839
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: It's all been done before. It's the same with art,

840
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: like you don't start art from scratch, there's no such thing.

841
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: You're building on what people have done. Standing on this,

842
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: you're building on what people have done before and then

843
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: you're you're changing it for the modern day. And that's

844
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: what the Ravens have done, and they've it took some

845
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: hot spa to do it, uh, and it's taken. The

846
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: fact is they're they're executing it too. The the way

847
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: that the rest of the league is gonna have to

848
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: try to catch up in a league that's all we

849
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: hear is pass first, past first, past first. It's spread

850
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: them out. It's a pass first league. They are the

851
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: best running team of all time right now. They're all

852
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: in the They're they're sixteen games. Jackson would set the record,

853
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: and their pace for this year would set the record,

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00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson would set the record like he's played

855
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: sixteen games. So it's a perfect example a nine season

856
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: why you didn't want to do the same. Like football,

857
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: I love football, like it really does carry me through,

858
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Like when like this job, we all wear a card

859
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: at it, and if you don't like, really enjoy what

860
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: you're covering, then it's gonna get tough in those days.

861
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: And seeing to teams like them, and then especially the

862
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: forty niners who are just doing it in a totally

863
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: different way than we've seen in a while, and it's

864
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: working and kind of busting up all the maxims that

865
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: everyone says. I love it. I give the Ravens this

866
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: credit too, because if you're Greg Roman, i'd say the

867
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: star rose and then it fell a little bit because

868
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: the league went away from what he was doing with

869
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: the Niners and you hired a guy who's whose CUE

870
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: rating was not where it was in the past, and

871
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: you let him do what he does. And it's it's

872
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: not the Niners offense from the Kaepernick days entirely, but

873
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: there are a lot of shared elements there and you

874
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: nailed it. It's working like that's it's working with divided

875
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: a blueprint to stop them. Remember that No, that was

876
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: that feels like a million years ago. And we did

877
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: a segment that should show up, uh somewhere on the

878
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: internet in the in the next few days. Um Our

879
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: Mid Season Awards and one of my my categories was

880
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: you know bad teams stay bad award. Well, the Ravens

881
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: are example how good teams stay good. They took Lamar Jackson,

882
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: he was the fifth quarterback taken in the draft last year,

883
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: and they just had a different vision than everybody everybody

884
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: else and they knew how to They didn't try to

885
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: force him to be something that he wasn't. They're just

886
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: a well run team and I'm glad you brought up.

887
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: Lamar is the first one great because if you didn't,

888
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: I would have I And if you listen to the podcast,

889
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: you know I hate the Patriots. I'm so sick of

890
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: the Patriots. If I have to cover the Patriots of

891
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl again, it's just gonna ruin the whole

892
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: week for me. And to have another young king rise

893
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: up now because Patrick Mahomes he rose last year and

894
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: you put all your eggs in his basket and he

895
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: couldn't get the job done. It wasn't his fault. His

896
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: defense let him down. Uh. And you were counting on

897
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes to do it again this year. We counted

898
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: on the Steelers for years. They never could do it.

899
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: And now you have Lamar. And I'm not saying he's

900
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: gonna do the same thing in January against the Paths

901
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: that he did on Sunday night, But now you have

902
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: another guy that Bill Belichick has to figure out how

903
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: to beat, and he might not be able to because

904
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: these young dogs that are rising up, one of them

905
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: are gonna get you eventually. Sean Watson another guy there.

906
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: It's starting to grow now, these young teams on the

907
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: rise with superstar quarterbacks. Is that what finally does the

908
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Pats in. We'll see, all right. I guess I go

909
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: twice because I did go on a little bit there,

910
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: but I got excited. I'm very excited about um this one.

911
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm gonna save mine. Actually, because it

912
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: goes in, it brings things down a little bit. So West,

913
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend to you. Well, baron with me for

914
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: a minute here. I want to talk about mama's You

915
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: know my A lot of guys, you get your love

916
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 1: of sports from your dad. I got mine from my mom,

917
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: who we had passionate, intense debates back and forth about

918
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: things like Oral Hirschaizer versus Dwight Gooden, Michael Jordan's versus

919
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: Larry Bird, or Magic Johnson. And I learned that she

920
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: was really Those debates were important life lessons about selflessness, generosity,

921
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: and teamwork. And the point for me is nobody, none

922
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: knows their son's strengths and foibles to the extent that

923
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: a mom does. So when Minca Fitzpatrick's mom tells the Dolphins,

924
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: you're using my son wrong, wrong, she knew she did.

925
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: He was used on twenty two of plays as a

926
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: deep safety in Miami he's used on as a deep

927
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: safety in Pittsburgh, and he is and he's gonna be

928
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: on my mid season All Pro team. He is that good.

929
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: They they were allowing a one forty one passer rating

930
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: on deep passes in Pittsburgh before he showed up. They

931
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: are now allowing a ten point eight rating with a

932
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: zero to three touchdown to interception ratio. And he had

933
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: three takeaways in a six day span recently. And another

934
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: thing he did when a when a sportswriter said, hey,

935
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: you just had the longest return touchdown and Steeler's history,

936
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: he corrected him and said, no, James Harrison did pet

937
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: peeve post peas postseason stats count. Stop saying only regular

938
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: season stats count. They're the most important games. Thank you,

939
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: micka Fitzpatrick, Thank you Mama Fitzpatrick. And he knew that.

940
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: A good job by him in that in that spot

941
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: to have the Harrison recall and knowing the history of

942
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: the game right after he of football, here's no doubt

943
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: he's transformed the back end of that defense. And you

944
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: see if every metric, all the numbers, it's remarkable how

945
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: much has changed since Week three with Pittsburgh. Now he's

946
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: not completely responsible for that. But he's played a huge role. No,

947
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: but their defense has enabled them to stay in the

948
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: race while playing the worst quarterback in the NFL. Oh

949
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: you know, now he's the worst. There's no doubt about

950
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: my god, they're playing the wrong guy. All right. Um,

951
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: now I will go and uh because it's been sufficiently deflated.

952
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: Um with that Mason Rudolph thing. I I love uh

953
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: what Troy Aikman tweeted last night. Okay, power league has

954
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: a lot to address this offseason as consumer confidence continues

955
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: to wane. See what I did kind of twisted this

956
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. He love that tweet. Um working on

957
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: multiple level because it's you love referring to our league's league.

958
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: Oh he did the hourly That's right. I thought that part.

959
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: You just started talking about that over the weekend, that

960
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: that's the new National Football League everyone, instead of saying

961
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: the NFL is like in the National Football League, The

962
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: new thing is an our league in our league. You

963
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: gotta make a football play on the football field. This

964
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: is the National Football League. It's our league. I think

965
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: if you want to dig into that a little bit,

966
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: and this is not what my subject is, but that's

967
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: a way to cast out the people like us. Absolutely,

968
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: I call it my employer, but that's that's not very different.

969
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: You're right, it is setting a boundary around anyone that

970
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: wasn't there on the field. And you probably shouldn't try

971
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: to trump my comment if you weren't a former player.

972
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: My analysis that I'm about to unfurl comes from a

973
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: place of experience on the football field. So if you

974
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: want to counter what you said what I say, just

975
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: know that it is not your league. It is our league,

976
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: and more league my league. Anyway, that's not the point.

977
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: Our league has a lot to address this offseason as

978
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: consumer confidence continues to wait. I kind of like Troy

979
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: Agman's Twitter account. He comes with some fire. He's got

980
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: a really good profile. Pick where the with Evan Silva.

981
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that it was that recently. Yeah,

982
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: last week, two weeks ago, it was about how you

983
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: judge quarterbacks and what stats to use, and it was

984
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: that the Patrick Mahomes thing, and he was less of

985
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: a conversation and more of six straight tweets at Evan Silva.

986
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: But he responded it was all respectful, we med yards

987
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: per completion thing. Okay. He also made news because somebody

988
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: put Patrick my home statistics and next to Troy Aikman's

989
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: and he dwarfed them all. And then Aikman fireback, well,

990
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: I got the I got, I'm gonna I'm gonna follow

991
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: him my homes stats up against Ateman they played a

992
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: totally different era, That's what he pointed out. And he's

993
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: got the trophies. Anyway, Um, it happened again Monday night football.

994
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: We had a game just overloaded with penalties and stoppages

995
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: and a bad p I situation where it went to review.

996
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: And I do think when the when the league got

997
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: gets together, um for the meetings that happened after the season,

998
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: that they do have to find a way to increate

999
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: better the pace. And that's become an issue that's uh

1000
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: been a major fight in Major League Baseball as they

1001
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: try to shorten their games. These these NFL games are

1002
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: getting longer. And I think back to that play Greg,

1003
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: that sequence of the Chargers Titans near the goal line

1004
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: where everything was sucked out of it by incessant stop

1005
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: downs for whether it's a measurement or a buzz down

1006
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: from the booth to look at the play. Uh, you know,

1007
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: more flags than ever I know. They've gotten the holding thing,

1008
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: which was inexplicable when they started pulling out the flag

1009
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: at a massive rate increase earlier this season with more

1010
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: holding calls. They just they just got to get out

1011
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: of the way a little bit. The officials and the

1012
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: past interference thing, which we've talked to death, but I

1013
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: will say this, I my initial thought was it's not

1014
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: really working, um how it was supposed to work, because

1015
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: they they I think they overturn or they stick with

1016
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: a call almost at the time. But at the end

1017
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: of the day, they're still getting some things right that

1018
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: were egregiously wrong. But in truth, it's affecting the game

1019
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: strategy wise. It was taking away time outs and also

1020
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: it's stopping the game outright. It's just shutting the game down.

1021
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: And I think the NFL has to find find a

1022
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: way a NFL game and their league. Greg, I love

1023
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: the product, but something just to clean it up a

1024
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: little bit because it feels it feels like it's been

1025
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: a little sloppy this year. That's right up my alley.

1026
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: What part of this do you love? I like, I

1027
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: would say this, like, don't don't fall into the trap

1028
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: that unfairly baseball has because of the way that baseball

1029
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: is naturally paced, don't slow the game down. They it's

1030
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: already been a leading they know it, but but it's

1031
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: distinctly changed this year and shifted. Ever On came to

1032
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: us and said two years ago, this is sports entertainment.

1033
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: We know it. We got a quick in the pace.

1034
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: We have to put a good entertainment product on the field.

1035
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: And then this past offseason that was completely abandoned. That

1036
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: was not a talking point whatsoever. Your battle is everyone

1037
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: out there watching has something better to do on their

1038
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: phone and watch a game that gets mired in a

1039
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: four minutes stoppage while people in black and white jerseys

1040
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: france around figuring out or we're just gonna back up

1041
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: our own potentially mistaken call. Although on some level I

1042
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: I always do find it funny when there's fifteen to

1043
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: forty people all tweeting at the same time how the

1044
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: game is unwatchable but they have to watch it, Like

1045
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: why are you watching? You have a million other things.

1046
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: Most most of them are media people, right, they have

1047
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: to watch it, but they don't know. Most of them

1048
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: are fans of other teams or their beat writers of

1049
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: other teams, and they can't You can't like give it

1050
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: up there. It's a beautiful game. They just get out

1051
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: of the way a little bit, find a way to

1052
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: clean it up. All right. That's that was a great segment. Guys,

1053
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: did you want to offer anything during that? For heaven's sakes,

1054
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: Dan just spoke for twenty five minutes. I did that

1055
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,479
Speaker 1: on purpose because before when I when I went after

1056
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: West bark rolled his eyes for some reason. It is

1057
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: now well, I like anything. What did what did the ill?

1058
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: It had? It was something. There's things happening within the

1059
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: head space that have nothing to do with anyone else.

1060
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: Trust me, I like things that helped me learn about

1061
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: my own job here. We're still our job is to

1062
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: get better every year at what we do. And I

1063
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: have learned a huge lesson this year that we spend

1064
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: more time in the off season than we do in

1065
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: the regular season, and real when real games matter much

1066
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: more time when there's no games happening, where we cook

1067
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: up storylines, we cling to narratives, We get too lost

1068
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: in our own headspace and ideas about stuff to have

1069
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: not at any point been proven true, but will be

1070
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: proven untrue within the space between week one and week two.

1071
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: That I am vowing to never fall for the one

1072
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: a off season hype storyline, whether it be around a team,

1073
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: And it was the Browns this year, and I don't

1074
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: think that I fell for it as as much as

1075
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: some day I was guarded against, but only I think

1076
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: because I had a personal, painful stake in it. I

1077
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: think had it been another team, I would had had

1078
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: someone else gone and done everything that Cleveland done, I

1079
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: think I would have fallen for it. And my guard

1080
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: is up to not listen to this junk. I know

1081
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: that we have to fill air waves in space all

1082
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: these other months, but there's a way to do it

1083
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: without just glomming onto the group think scenario where huge

1084
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: chunks of the media had Cleveland in the a f

1085
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: C title game when it made no sense when you

1086
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: looked at all the changes. This is my favorite annual

1087
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: mid season tradition. Mark vowing to never pay attention to

1088
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: offseason story Well, I will pay attention, but I'm not

1089
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: going to glom onto something that feels especially group thinking

1090
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: and a little too from You're right there, like none

1091
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: of us have almost any predictive value. And I don't

1092
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: think that's a that's a bad thing, Like it's okay

1093
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: that it's it's it's all totally unpredictable. It's also the

1094
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: NFL has proven over and over again that if you

1095
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: say something, just wait three weeks and you'll be right

1096
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: or you're right either way, say something you know. Matt

1097
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: Floor said it this week. It's been proven over and

1098
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: over again. You cannot get comfortable in the NFL. Once

1099
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: you get comfortable, you're gonna lose, because, I mean, the

1100
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: flip is flip side is like all the other hot

1101
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: takes that aren't group think, they're wrong just as much

1102
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: as the group think, which is something that is and

1103
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: what happened we don't need. Why do we need any

1104
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: of these hot takes? I mean we do because otherwise

1105
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna high school baseball for six months. But now

1106
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: you can talk about this sport what without going mark,

1107
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: That's that's what you loved about the twenty nineteen I

1108
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: love what I said was I love it taught me

1109
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: about doing my job differently. I do love that it's

1110
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: had personal effect on me. I can I there's plenty

1111
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: of our things I love. I actually had Greg Roman

1112
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: is one. Don't love the Ravens, but I do love

1113
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: a team that has the gutsiness to Zig when everyone

1114
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: else is. I'll say this, you know what. Lots of

1115
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: good stuff. Thursday Night Football Slate, which has been rather

1116
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: messy in years past, and it's been an outpost for

1117
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: junkie games and matchups. You have to get out there

1118
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: early in the year or late in the year. The

1119
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football Slate, I think has been better than

1120
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: it's been since I've worked here. It's had five or

1121
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: six classic games and props where it's due versus trying

1122
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: to lift up Thursday Night Football when it doesn't hit

1123
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: the mark which has been other years. I've got a

1124
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: quick love, Okay. Top of the m v P race

1125
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: features Russell Wilson, DeShawn Watson, Lamar Jackson, Christian McCaffrey. That's

1126
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: three black quarterbacks in a white running back. WHOA. I

1127
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: don't think that's where you're going, but I love it,

1128
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: and I don't think five or ten years ago you

1129
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: would have had that. Look, the NFL is not perfect.

1130
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: We've seen with the hiring of head coaches in general

1131
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: managers that there's a lot of work to do. But

1132
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: the opportunity is there now for some people that it

1133
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: wasn't there for years ago. Good call us, well, said,

1134
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: all right, speaking of Thursday night football, Oh my goodness,

1135
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: we got a good one. The Chargers who just shocked

1136
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: everybody by taking it to the Packers last week, UM

1137
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: at the Big Dignity. Now they travel to the black

1138
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: Hole to face the Raiders, who are really just a

1139
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: fun team, a fun team to watch this year. UM.

1140
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: And they are in the midst of um a homestand

1141
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: essentially after that seventy four days stretch away from the

1142
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: Colosseum in Oakland, and they get a Chargers team. That's

1143
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: kind of hard to figure out which version shows up,

1144
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: But I, Greg, I feel like I know what version

1145
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: of the Raiders will show up, a competitive version. This

1146
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: will be interesting game to watch. It should be a

1147
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: close game, I think. I agree. I think the rest

1148
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: of is there for a high scoring, entertaining game because

1149
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: the Raiders play very consistently. They have one of the

1150
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: worst defenses in the league. They don't have much of

1151
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: a pass rush, and they try to make up for

1152
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: that with a very efficient offense that keeps the ball

1153
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: and moves the ball and has Josh Jacobs and Derek

1154
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: Carr and Darren Waller playing great. Chargers made some adjustments

1155
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: with their offensive line play that last week that appeared

1156
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: to really make a big difference. They protected Rivers, I

1157
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: would say, very well in that game against the Packers,

1158
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: and it just makes me think Rivers, who's kind of

1159
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: owned the Raiders, especially in Oakland. Uh, it's gonna keep

1160
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: it rolling. It only took one game and I'm back

1161
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: in on the Chargers. You know why not? Welly, I

1162
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: like both teams, so I I want both of these

1163
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: teams to make a run that the Raiders wouldn't be

1164
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: dead at four and five. But whoever wins this game

1165
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: will get a nice little boost to me. What's interesting

1166
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: is that John Gruon has done such a good job

1167
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: and Derek Carto of getting rid of the ball, and

1168
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: then that offensive line pass rushers just not been as

1169
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: much of a fact or against the Raiders as they

1170
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: have against the other teams. And we saw what Joey

1171
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: Bosa and Melvin Ingram did to the Packers last week.

1172
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: I wonder if they'll be able to do that to Oakland.

1173
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: This has the feel of the I mean, we're all

1174
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, we all know about him, we all see

1175
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: how exciting and specially has been. But for the average fan,

1176
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: that's not really monitoring the Raiders or hasn't watched them

1177
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: this year. This has the feel of that Thursday night

1178
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: game where suddenly Josh Jacobs because becomes the player everyone

1179
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: knows about and we hear about him because this is

1180
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: Rookie of the year, not just candidate, but probably leading

1181
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: candidate right now, right in which and the Chargers have

1182
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: been very vulnerable to the run. They've been had a

1183
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: lot of injuries at defensive tackle. They still do which

1184
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: Chargers defense shows up because Bosa and Ingram were feast

1185
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: in last week on third down. They gave Rogers no

1186
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: chance both. I think Joey Bosa would maybe be my

1187
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: pick for defensive player of the Year right now if

1188
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: I had to make one. Uh, And Ingram's playing great,

1189
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: Desmond King's playing great. Like that defensive performance kind of

1190
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere, and you hear these little whispers

1191
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: from Rogers like that. You know, they got into l

1192
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: a early, and maybe some players had a little too

1193
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: much fun. They were a little dead dead in that game.

1194
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what players Rogers that

1195
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: he hinted they flew on a day early to adjust

1196
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: to the climate and the time change. And he kind

1197
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: of left it open ended that maybe some guys didn't

1198
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: make the right decisions night. A lot of teams do.

1199
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: If you live in l A, the downtown l A Live,

1200
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: which is like a four block by four blocks section,

1201
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: they put them in one of those hotels. Not much

1202
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: happening at night, and they're not allowed to leave the

1203
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: four block by four block quadrants for that reason, because

1204
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: where would you want to go out on a Saturday

1205
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: night if you're in a visiting visiting player l A.

1206
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: Let him do it. Oh show um. And my one

1207
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: thought on this game, gentleman, is that and talked about

1208
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: this early in the season how the Raiders in their

1209
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: last season in Oakland, they're gonna be a tough team

1210
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: to beat there and that's been the case, and this

1211
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: could be their last primetime game, and they are packing

1212
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: that stadium and acting like the team's going nowhere. That

1213
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: place is gonna be a madhouse on Thursday night. People

1214
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: are gonna be that's gonna be a party. And uh,

1215
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: I know the Chargers are used to playing in hostile

1216
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: environments because it happens when they're at the Big Dignity too,

1217
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: but like, this is gonna be something that I know

1218
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers can handle, but I think it could give

1219
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: the Charger trouble. And that's what I do like the

1220
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: Raiders in this game. I think the Raiders are an

1221
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: interesting team to watch, and they get the Bangals at

1222
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: home and then a trip to face the wretched Jets.

1223
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: They are set up to be playing relevant football in December.

1224
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: All right, any final thoughts, Joan. He summed it up well, Yeah,

1225
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: just ended right there. Get the plugs in. I got

1226
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: we gotta do these plugs. Greg. Check out that debrief

1227
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: because Gregg wrote at length about what he loves about

1228
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen season. I didn't read it purposely because

1229
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to infect my own thought process

1230
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: for the SEGA, But now it's time. I think it

1231
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: was your best intro of the year. I'm a feeling

1232
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: you to not mentioned Troy Aikman and yours. I mean,

1233
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: I like, I think they've just started following him to

1234
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: Thursday Night. Uh, we've been talking about the Thursday night telecasts.

1235
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: That has been great this year. I've enjoyed it. They

1236
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: do a nice shop mark on my radar. The Weekly

1237
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: Sessler Banker. You wrote about the parallels between Baker and Meanshew.

1238
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: Well that Gardner Minshew plays the mythological age old role

1239
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: of doppelganger that essentially operated as a life suck for

1240
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield to the point where they look a lot alike.

1241
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: We get that, but they operated as sort of the

1242
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: fun thing last year for Baker Mayfield in the NFL,

1243
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: and Minshew stole all that away to the point where

1244
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is at the press podium at the end

1245
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: of Sunday's game looking pale, having changed the facial hair

1246
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: on his face two different times in the course of

1247
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: four hours pre during, and post game. A lot going

1248
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: on there, and dig into it now that they put

1249
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: folds back in. I think the Jaguars read my investigative

1250
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: piece and panicked. Baker looked a different kind of dangerous. Yeah,

1251
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: he's lost that dangerous zeal. It's the one like with

1252
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: the parents are worried and uh check out the power

1253
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: rankings which are up the old Zeuser and West. What's

1254
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: coming up with your your upcoming breakdown of top ten? Well,

1255
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: I have to speak with my editor, but I believe

1256
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: this is the mid season All Pro week. Oh it is.

1257
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: I would you know what I would read and that's

1258
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: a great Uh, that's a great topic. I would read

1259
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: just the emails back and forth between you and Ali Bampari,

1260
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: I usually speak in person. I would love well, maybe

1261
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: some type of dictation. That's a segment for next Tuesday.

1262
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: I would read. I think it might be a less

1263
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: contentious thing. You believe it to be, all right. There

1264
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: may be some passive aggressiveness, but I don't think it's

1265
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: contentious alright anyway. So check that out. It Lands Where

1266
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: the Lands Dad got it? And Erica get ready your

1267
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: Spotlight next with seven Days can't Wait, Dan, I had

1268
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: the signing off for a Quiet Star and the mail

1269
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: Man The Old Boss I Ricky Hollywood behind the Glass

1270
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: Bill Thursday, m