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Speaker 1: Tammy was a typical teenager by all accounts. She was

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Speaker 1: Something was just bad, wrong with that whole scene. Well,

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Speaker 1: on Hutchinson Island. It's a river island just across from

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Speaker 1: This case needs to be solved because there is literally

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Speaker 1: That's a quote from the medical Examiner. This was a

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Speaker 1: slow death Tammy Jackson suffered before she died. Stacy gets

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Speaker 1: She is completely tragically caught off guard when she learned

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Speaker 1: By the time I got the phone call, they knew

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Speaker 1: with all the new technology and geniuses that we have

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