1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Greece is coming to Fox Nation. I Want justice. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece available now only on Fox Nation. 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Will the coronavirus COVID nineteen outbreak allow cult Mom Laurie Valoe, 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: the newlywed to walk free from the jail. Valoe refusing 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: to tell not only police, but a judge and even 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: her own family where are her two children, seven year 7 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: old JJ, seventeen year old Tiling missing now for months. 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: Cultmm Laurie Valoe refusing to state where they are or 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: even if they're safe. Not only that, does an Amazon 10 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: order allegedly made but made by Cultmm Laurie Valoe indicate 11 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: premeditated murder? Oh Amazon, get ready to work over your files. 12 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 13 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: being with us. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Cult Mom 14 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: Lorie Valo. The saga goes on seemingly every twenty four hours. 15 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: We find out something new and something disturbing about a 16 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: woman who refuses to tell authorities or a judge where 17 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: her missing children are JJ seven, Tiley seventeen. She's called 18 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: cult Mom because she remarried about two weeks or so 19 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: after her third or fourth husband was shot dead to 20 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: a man obsessed with cults, doomsday cults, end of time cults. 21 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: He's written twenty five books on them. I'm Nancy Grace. 22 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 23 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: here on Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven and 24 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: the Bee goes on with Laurie Valo, and I want 25 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: you to first hear the latest see what you make 26 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: of it. Take a listen to our friend at East 27 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: Idaho News dot com, Nate Eaton. Back in October. At 28 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: the beginning of October, Chad Dayvill was still married to 29 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: Tammy dave Bell. She died on October nineteenth, but on 30 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: October second, we have uncovered from an Amazon account that 31 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: Laurie was using the purchase of her wedding ring, had 32 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: it shipped to her address in Rexburg under the name 33 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: of Charles Valo, her f husband, and we're told that 34 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: she repeatedly used Charles's Amazon accounts after he passed away. 35 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: So it's interesting that on October second, she would purchase 36 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: the wedding ring that she was then photographed in getting 37 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: married to Chad on the beach. Weeks later. She bought 38 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: the ring when Tammy was still alive, and that's the 39 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: same day that she and Chad, a man we believe it, 40 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: Chad visited the storage unit in Rexburg. And that's the 41 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: same day that Brandon Bordeaux was shot at in Arizona. 42 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: So a lot was happening on that day with a 43 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: lot of different players. Yeah, a lot was happening. Using 44 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: her dead husband, Charles Valo's Amazon account to buy her 45 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: wedding ring, and that wedding ring has been matched up 46 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: to once she's wearing at her Hawaii beach side ceremony. 47 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: How did this whole thing unfold? Of course, you know 48 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna have defense attorneys arguing that this doesn't mean 49 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: she's a murderer. This means she was just looking forward 50 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: to her wedding. What wedding her groom was still married. 51 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina 52 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: family lawyer, NC Domestic Law dot Com. James Shellnott twenty 53 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: seven years metro major case swat now lawyer, professor Forensics, 54 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State Universe and author of Blood Beneath My Feet 55 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan death investigator, renowned psychiatrists Joining 56 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, doctor Angela Arnold, and 57 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: boy do we need a shrink. But first, to lead 58 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: news anchor Orlando's Morning News w d BO Ray Caputo, 59 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: I understand that cult mom Laurie Valo, who thinks literally 60 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: if you read her divorce papers, thinks that she is 61 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: a god who is charged with leading the worthy. Saddling Jackie, 62 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we're not one of them. The one 63 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: hundred and forty thousand or so that are going to 64 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: get to go to the New Jerusalem after the Great 65 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: War set to happen this July, basically the end of 66 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: the world. She is going to live according to her, 67 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: So cult mom Laurie Valo goes online on our Hubbies 68 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: Dead Hubbies Amazon account and orders a wedding ring a 69 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: hold on, wait for it, a beach wedding dress, white 70 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: slacks and shirt. And this is according to Nate Eton 71 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: with East Idaho News dot Com on ten two, I'll 72 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: chamber two and her Graham's wife mysteriously dies in her 73 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: sleep seventeen days later, ten nineteen. That's quite the coincidence. 74 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: Ray Kiputo, Orlando News. How did we find out about 75 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: the wedding ring order? Well, I think it came from 76 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: Charles's sister. It's kind of I've been reading a lot 77 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: of the stuff here and how it popped up. But nevertheless, 78 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 1: we got screenshots right now of purchases and they're belief 79 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: to be hers. You know, in Nancy, a lot of 80 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: families share Amazon accounts, they share credit cards. The big 81 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: differences is that the spouse is still alive and not. 82 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: In the case of Laurie, she goes and she buys 83 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: this size for sterling silver south Western style Melokit gemstone. 84 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: It's a lot to say there, but the actual stone 85 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: has some meaning too. It's it's called the stone of 86 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: transformation and some say they use it for energy meaning 87 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: so weird story. Wait, malachite, isn't that the black, shiny, 88 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: metallic looking stone? Am I wrong? It's the one that 89 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: she has in the in the picture though, Well, what 90 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: does it look like? Caputo? Is it? What does it 91 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: look like? It's got it's a it's a darker stone. Yeah, 92 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not to go with this. I think 93 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: I know what it is. Because the twins love to 94 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: go panning for gold and gemstones, and you know it's 95 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: all rigged, but they find all these stones I'm pretty 96 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: sure I remember malachite. But wait, I want to get 97 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: back to how was this Okay, Oh, it's a lot 98 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: of it's green, beautiful grain. It's not black. So hold on. 99 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: It's my understanding, as you were just saying, Ray Kaputo, 100 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: that dead husband number four, Charles Valet was shot dead 101 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: by Lorie Valo's brother Alex, Charles Valo's sister, JJ's bio 102 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: grandma Kate Woodcock discovered the purchase of the wedding band 103 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: because she hooked up Charles's printer to her computer in 104 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: November to print something out. And that is how when 105 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: she connected the printer she saw the things that had 106 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: been ordered on Amazon. Now, that is according to k 107 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: he was visited with us before Charles Valo's sister. That's 108 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: how it all came out. So tell me what else 109 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: do you know that Colt mom had ordered for her 110 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: wedding before her groom's wife died in her sleep. Well, 111 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: it was clear they were planning a wedding because it 112 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: wasn't us a wedding ring. It was also closed for 113 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: people to wear at a beach wedding. There was a shirt, 114 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: there was also a dress, and there was other things 115 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: she was looking for like bathing suits. This clearly wasn't 116 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: someone who was worried about her missing children or other things. 117 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: She was a woman who had her eyes on getting 118 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: married in a few weeks. Has appeared a bait quote 119 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: beach wedding dress, white slacks and shirt. I wonder if 120 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: that was for the husband because in her wedding photo 121 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: she's wearing a white beach dress with a Hawaiian lay 122 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: and they ring and the new husband, day Bail, Chad 123 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: day Bail, is wearing white slacks and a white shirt. 124 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure about that. Jack. She pull up their 125 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: their pictures in the meanwhile, take a listen again to 126 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: our friend at East Idaho News dot com, Nate Eton. 127 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: It's interesting that she was shopping for the wedding ring 128 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: and actually purchased the wedding ring weeks before Chad's wife 129 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: had actually died. Also on the same computer that she 130 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: was using, we're told that she was looking for a 131 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: wedding dress suit the very next day, on Ober third. 132 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: Now a lot of people are wondering, well, does that 133 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: prove that they planned Tammy's death? Was this wedding pre 134 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: planned before Tammy's death? Well, that'll be up for the 135 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: prosecutor to decide and for the detectives to determine. But 136 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: this possibly could be maybe a clue in premeditation or 137 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: something along those lines where this wedding was pre planned, 138 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: the ring was purchased, she was shopping for wedding dresses. 139 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: All of this was happening weeks before Tammy's sudden death. 140 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: And as for Tammy's death, we are still waiting on 141 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: that autopsy. The sheriff says that he's waiting on it 142 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: as well from toxicology reports. He has no idea when 143 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: he says it will be back, but we're hopefully, hopefully 144 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: that will be soon. The wedding photos and I'm looking 145 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: at them right now. It looks like the husband is 146 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: playing a ukulele, but it shows Chad and Laurie day 147 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: Bill wearing the items that Lorie Vella purchased for them 148 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: for their November five wedding. That malachite ring was Laurie's 149 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: wedding band wedding ring. And also we're learning according to 150 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: Nate Eaton and Kate, the sister of the deceased, they 151 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: were looking at men's clothing, men's tennis shoes, white trunk, 152 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: white pants, white shirt, a new yellow bathing suit for 153 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: her swims trunks for a man extra large, and she 154 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: says it's all right there for her to look at 155 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: the grandmother. Kate Woodcock Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. For 156 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, I Meancy Grace. This 157 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us at Fox 158 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: Nation and series XM one eleven. It never ends with cultmm. 159 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: Lorie Valo, you know, don't you just love it to you? 160 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, you're a death investigator and forensics expert. 161 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: You're not just about blood spatter. You know about computer 162 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: forensics as well. Way in it's those little breadcrumbs that 163 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: are left behind, little digital breadcrumbs that kind of paint 164 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: the picture. It happens with our phones, we can be 165 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: tracked wherever we go and people don't think about that. 166 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: It happens with cct TV images, but also with the 167 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: computer that we use, those little benchmarks along the way. 168 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: Every keystroke has a meaning to it, Nancy. And when 169 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: my colleagues over from computer forensics take a data set 170 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: and they break it down, they can absolutely paint a 171 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: very compelling picture, not just for the investigators, but at 172 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: some point in time when all of this is going 173 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: to go to court, which I promise you it will, 174 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yes, And I've got news on that 175 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: front as well. Remind me, Joe Scott, I want to 176 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: circle back to what you just said to James Shell 177 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: Knight twenty seven years Metro and Major k Swat now lawyer. 178 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: Defense attorneys will argue, this means absolutely nothing that seventeen 179 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: days before Lori Day Timmy Daybill died in her sleep, 180 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: that her husband's new bride was looking for wedding dresses 181 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: and a wedding man, not just looking for them, bought them. 182 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: Plus the elevating suit. Seems like they already had it 183 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: planned out at that time that there was going to 184 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: be a wedding and there was going to be a 185 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: beach wedding, what they were going to wear, the works, 186 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: So they had it all in place before Tammy Daybell 187 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: died in her sleep. Yeah. I mean, y'all smell a rabit. 188 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: It smells like Lorie Fallow two rats. She was all in. 189 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean that they had. It wasn't just one thing 190 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: that they did. They did multiple things. And the only 191 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: way that she and this guy are getting married is 192 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: if his wife is either dead or they're divorced, and 193 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: they're certainly not going to find laws of divorced during 194 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: that period of time. So it looks like, very strongly 195 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: from a circumstantial evident standpoint, that they knew that this 196 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: was going to happen, and they knew that this man's 197 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: current wife was not going to be a factor improved 198 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: getting them from going forward with their plans. You know. 199 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, veteran trial lawyer at nc Domestic Law dot com. Kathleen, 200 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: I'd be very curious as to win. Chad day Bell 201 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: and Lorie val occult Mom got their tickets and made 202 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: their reservations for a hotel, a swank cotel, I might 203 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: add in Hawaii way and Kathleen hy waited, and when 204 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: they bought the room October second, she's dead subsequently two 205 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: weeks later. And as a divorce attorney, this is golden 206 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: information for me as to an intent to get rid 207 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: of or to have an affair or to be involved 208 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: with somebody else. And it's clear, I mean, I agree 209 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: with your priors because this is such strong evidence. Buying 210 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: the clothes, buying the buying the babe and suit buying 211 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: the dress and buying the rings that they knew that 212 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: Tammy Day Bell would not be around. You know too, 213 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold's psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. 214 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: I've asked this so many times. I don't want to 215 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: sound like a broken record, but why not just get 216 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: a divorce? Nancy? That's not the purpose of all of 217 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: this as far as Laurie vallow is concerned, this is 218 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: on a whole different realm of reality in her Okay, 219 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying. Why not? Well, well, 220 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: why did she Why are all these other people dead 221 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: in her in her footsteps? Also? Why would you leave 222 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: this person to just got a divorce from? Right? You're right? 223 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: Why I ask why? Why? I tried to apply logic 224 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: to an illogical situation? Because two and two is never 225 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: going to equal four, excuse me, never going to equal five. 226 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: And also it's not our duty to figure out why. 227 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: It's our duty to figure out what happened, Nancy. Has 228 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: anybody interviewed this and has she said any kind of 229 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: a psychological interview? Does anybody know that I can guarantee 230 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, because that would be a defense strategy and 231 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: right now Laurie Vallas only behind bars because she won't 232 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: cough up where her children are last seen on a 233 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: photo at Yellowstone. You know, I said I would circle 234 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: back to you, Jess Scott Morgan, and that's exactly what 235 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, Jackie. Let's play cut one. East Idaho 236 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: News dot Com reporter Nate Eaton take a listen to this. 237 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: Another news agency in Arizona has uncovered an email from 238 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: the police down there saying that they are getting closer 239 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: to possibly indicting Laurie Dave Bell in the depth of 240 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: her brother Alex Cox. Alex Cox suddenly died ten days 241 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: after his marriage. After he got married in December. He 242 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: was found in a restroom with pieces all over the place, 243 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: and they have ruled his death suspicious but have not 244 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: released any information. But according to this report, there is 245 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: an email from a detective to someone else saying that 246 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: they are getting closer to indicting Lorie Dabel in the 247 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: death of her brother. We are learning that through a 248 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: leaked email, that authorities are getting closer to indicting cult 249 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo and the death of her brother. We 250 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: are also learning they're considering her reportedly in the death 251 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: of her last husband. Police in Arizona could be on 252 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: the verge of indicting Valo in the death of her 253 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: ex husband, who was killed by her brother last year. 254 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: Straight out to Ray Caputo, Lead Kneeds anchor Orlando's Morning 255 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: News WDBO, what do we know what about this leaked 256 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: email from who to who? Yeah, well, I believe it'll 257 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: send from a reporter to the Chandler Arizona Police a 258 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: detective and it was a very simple response. It said 259 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: that their confidence are getting closer to indicting Lorie Valo 260 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: over Charles Valow's death. Nothing more than that. But it 261 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: does show where investigators are at right now, Nancy, because 262 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: what happened to Charles didn't look suspicious early on. I mean, 263 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: he shows up to take his kid, there's a fight 264 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: in Alex Cox m Lorie's brother shoots Charles. But that 265 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: was the first domino to fall, like a dizzying sequence 266 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: of events. You know, Lorie moves to another state, or 267 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: kids disappear, the ex husband died, you know, all this stuff, Nancy. 268 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: And then then to top it all off, Alex Cox, 269 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: who at this point possibly could be a serial killer, 270 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: he turns up dead on a bathroom floor. So if 271 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: you put all this together, it makes complete sense that 272 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: investigators are not looking closer at Lorie Valo. What is 273 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: the cause of death of the brother Alex Cox? Well, 274 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: I heard the nine one one call that hasn't been 275 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: figured out yet, but to me it sounds like he 276 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: either passed away of a drug overdose or something unnatural causes. 277 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: But he was found on a bathroom, bathroom floor, unresponsive 278 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: in his own fecing, So it wasn't it wasn't a 279 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: good end to his life. Take a listen to our 280 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: Francai k SLTV. This reporter Garnem here Chandler. Police are 281 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: investigating Charles's death and this email obtained by KASL which 282 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: Charles allegedly sat on June twenty ninth to his other 283 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: brother in law, Adam Cox, very suspicious and they caused 284 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 1: various questions that we would need to ask Lorie entirely, 285 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: possibly Chad and try to get to the bottom of it. 286 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: In his message to Adam, Charles claims that Lorie created 287 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: an email alias for him and sent a letter the 288 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: previous day to Chad day Bell inviting him to visit 289 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: Arizona to write a book. Charles suspected Lorie wrote the letter, 290 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: pretending to be him. The letter says, in part, I 291 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: would gladly fly you down here early next week. You 292 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: could stay in our guest room like before. I hate 293 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: to take you away from your family, but I would 294 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: definitely make it worth your time with admiration Charles. Going 295 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: back to his message to Adam, Charles continues, I'm not 296 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: sure of the relationship with her and Chad day Bell, 297 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: but they're up to something. She will not explain it. 298 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: Going to send it to Chaddebell's wife. Her name is Tammy. 299 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: I found her email address on their website too. I've 300 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: got her cell phone number two. Okay, let me understand 301 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: what I'm hearing to Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor Orlando's 302 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: Morning News WDBO, an email sent from Charles Valoe regarding 303 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: an invitation for him from Chad day Bell to come 304 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: and help him write an article. The web of lies 305 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: becomes deeper and deeper. Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here we 306 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: have all worked so hard to bring to you. Don't 307 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: be a victim Fighting back against America's crime wave, a 308 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: brand new book after interviewing literally hundreds of crime victims 309 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: and police. 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Ray Ki Puto, what is the email about? 316 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: And I understand it's from the dad, third husband or 317 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: fourth husband, Charles Valo, and he's worried because Chad day 318 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: Bell seemingly has invited him for a visit to work 319 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: on a speech or a book or some project. And 320 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: he's concerned and he's going to alert Tammy day Bill 321 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: then still alive, explain Ray Kabudo. Yeah, So, so here's 322 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: the thing is that Charles at this point, he's already 323 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: looking at his his soon to be acts with a 324 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: crooked eye. I mean, he told his lawyer that he 325 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: was afraid that he was going to be killed. He 326 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: essentially predicted that he was going to die at the 327 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: hands of either Lori or Alex, which is which is 328 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: what happened. So there's such a context to this email. 329 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's not just the first time that he's 330 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: seeing someone, because we're talking about a guy who is 331 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: afraid of his life. Most of the times in this, 332 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: you know, domestic violence situations, we hear the woman afraid. 333 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: Here's a grown man who is afraid for his life, 334 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: and this email is just part of that context that 335 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: he is does not trust Lorie, he does not trust Alex, 336 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: and he thinks that something bad can happen to her, 337 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: and he is just trying to tell anybody that'll listen 338 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: to him at this point, you know, Kathleen Murphy, it's 339 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: just so eerie, as is so much about the Lorie 340 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: Vala cultman case. I've had cases where a murder victim 341 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: thought they were going to be killed and they said, hey, 342 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: if anything happens to me, he or she did it, 343 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: and then they end up dead. And so often, Kathleen Murphy, 344 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: because of the rules of evidence against hearsay, that evidence 345 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: never comes before the jury because it can't be cross examine. 346 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: You can't cross examine a dead person. Now, there are 347 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: exceptions to the hearsay rule, like dying declaration. There's a 348 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: myriad of exceptions, but not for a statement like this. 349 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: This helped because it can't be tested. But this is 350 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: an email that deceased Charles Valoe wrote because day Bell 351 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: had invited him to come visit, and a lot of 352 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: people suspect that Laurie Valoe wrote that email and sent 353 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: it to her then living husband. What do you make 354 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: of it, Kathleen Murphy? First of all, Nancy, I want 355 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: to say, everything I've heard about mister Vallo has been 356 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: just phenominal things. He seems like a very nice person. 357 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: A person that was that didn't have that characteristic to 358 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: be empathic and nice and caring. May have gone to 359 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: the police and said, I think somebody's trying to kill me, 360 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: or here's some evidence I think we need to look up. 361 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: The only thing that he really did is he got 362 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: and dropped a protective order against Laurie Vallo. It's a 363 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: shame that he wasn't of the nature to take it 364 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: more seriously. What do you make of it? James shell 365 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: Nutt thirty seven years metro A major taste now lawyer. 366 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: When you have a person in this case, it would 367 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: be Charles Vallo shot dead, saying ahead of time, I 368 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: am so afraid my wife, Laurie Vallo and her crazy brother, 369 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: Alex Cox, are gonna kill me. That's exactly what happened, 370 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: James shell Nutt, and that is exactly why people are 371 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: can add Lorie Valo with a crooked eye and reference 372 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: to this murder case as well. You know, I go 373 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: back and I look, I've watched the video. You know, 374 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: the actual body cam footage for the police officers responding 375 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: to the initial shooting of her ex husband is posted 376 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: on YouTube. The police department released that and a lot 377 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: of times one of the most important interviews is what 378 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: happens right when the officers get there the shooter in 379 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: the case, you know, you're trying to determine whether or 380 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: not it's justified or unjustified. What they say there in 381 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: that initial interview often proves critical to whether or not 382 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: you're able to prove or disprove a crime was committed. 383 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: And if you watch the interview that he gave to 384 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: the responding officers, this guy's bobbling around all over the place. 385 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to be able to give straight answers, 386 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: and it is just sketchy. And when I watched it, 387 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: the first thought that went through my mind was, this 388 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: doesn't sound right. It doesn't smell right, and this guy 389 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: needs to be looked out a lot closer. And we 390 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: had a best accuras as we were saying it out loud. 391 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: I want to be clear the email was too Chad 392 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: daybail the new husband from the last dead husband, Charles 393 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: Valet about working together on some project. Now, I want 394 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: you to take a listen to East Idahoanews dot com 395 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: reporter Nate Eton about what actually happened the day that 396 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: Charles Valet was shot the day to her husband, Charles 397 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: was shot in Arizona by her brother. Of course, he 398 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: said he did it in self defense. Charles was coming 399 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: at him with a baseball bat and so he had 400 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: to go get a gun to protect himself. Well, Charles 401 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: was an athlete, So if he's going to go in 402 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: and swing with a bat, he's not gonna manson. If 403 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: you've seen the security or the surveyor or the body 404 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: camera footage, if you've seen the body camera footage from 405 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: the police that day, Alex is dabbing the back of 406 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: his head as if he's been hit with something sharp, 407 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: maybe because he's gabbing for blood. Well, a baseball bat 408 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: likely isn't going to leave a little ping on the 409 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: back of your head. Ye was in the house that day. 410 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: JJ was in the house that day. They likely witnessed 411 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: what happened. What we do know is that after that 412 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: shooting happened, Laurie took JJ to school as her husband 413 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: lays dying in the front room. She takes her son 414 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: to school and then returns back and that's when Tylie 415 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: and Laurie spoke at the police. But yeah, the people 416 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: that were in the house that day, the only one 417 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: surviving right now, the only one that saw it all 418 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: play out is Laurie, and she's not talking to the police, 419 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: of course, Laurie Valen not speaking to police. Cult mom 420 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 1: staying quiet. But the only other two witnesses, JJ seven 421 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: and Tylely seventeen are missing. Not only are the only 422 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: two witnesses missing, but now we learn they called mom. 423 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo claims that her children, Tylie and JJ had 424 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: become zombies. I mean, you've seen the Walking Dead or 425 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: at least heard of it. Correct where people become zombies, 426 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: they're not their true selves anymore. That is what called 427 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo apparently claims about her two missing children, 428 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: claiming that before they went missing, she and her brother, 429 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: the sheeter Alex Cox. The last ones with them take 430 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: a lesson to our friends at twelve News. This is 431 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: Michael Digna. The documents allegedly came from Melanie's new husband, 432 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: Ian Poleski's computer, handed over to law enforcement by Ian's 433 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: ex wife. In the document, Ian describes Lorie, Chad, and 434 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: Melanie's beliefs as a global fight against evil forces to 435 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: bring about the second Coming of Christ. The documents describe 436 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: the faith as something quote ripped straight out of Dungeons 437 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: and dragons or spells are real and people can be 438 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: possessed by demons and become zombies. Lorie Valo friends remember 439 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: her faith uncomfortably, but new court documents claim Melo me 440 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: worried JJ entirely maybe in danger, stating quote Melanie had 441 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: been told by Chat and Laurie that their children had 442 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: been possessed and had become zombies. The documents show Ian 443 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: wrote Melanie would then allegedly wonder to her husband if 444 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: that meant quote JJ entirely needed to die as well. 445 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: It's hardly know what where to start when a mother 446 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: truly believes, and this is a woman who is not 447 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: insane under the legal concept she thanks her children should 448 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: die because they're zombies. Right, Kaputa, I laid News anchor 449 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: ORLANDI Morning News. What you can't make this stuff up 450 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: in a Hollywood blockbuster movie, that the kids were infected 451 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: by zombies and the only way to free them is 452 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: to pretty much end their lives. I mean, it's absolutely crazy. 453 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: And this is all coming from Laurie's niece. Who would 454 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: you think would be someone who she trusts and someone 455 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: who wouldn't just you know, give the dish on or 456 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: she really believed this stuff, you know, So it's it's 457 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: absolutely crazy, but it adds a context to why the 458 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: kids could be missing and what could have happened to 459 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: him in the first place. Now, also there's a connection 460 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: to their may say, because there's zombies and they've gone 461 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: to live with all the other zombies. Well, well, Melanie 462 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: Lorie's need did she just say? Right? Yeah, Well I'm 463 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: kind of being tongue in cheek here, Nancy. But but 464 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: there's also another angle to this. Brandon, who's Melanie's ex husband. 465 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: He was supposed to be killed too, I mean that 466 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: he was the one who was supposed to be possessed 467 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: as well. And Alex actually took a shot at him 468 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: and missed. So if he's trying to kill Brandon under 469 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: the same circumstances, it's plausible to assume that's how the kids, 470 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: or the reason the kids are not here anymore. We 471 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: haven't seen them is because they were killed because they 472 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: they were zombies. It's absolutely crazy. Clime Stories with Nancy Grace. 473 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, we were talking 474 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: about cult Mom Lorie Valoe. She's called cult Mom because 475 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: she's a member of a doomsday cult, predicting the end 476 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: of the world July twenty twenty in just a couple 477 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: of months. But a more eminent concern is for her 478 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: two children, who are missing. Not her many dead husbands, 479 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: but her two children. She refuses to tell the court 480 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: where the children are. They were last seen with her 481 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: at her now dead brother Alex Cox at Yellowstone. No 482 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: word about where they are now. So yes, we are 483 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: learning she ordered her wedding dress, her wedding ring, her 484 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: husband's clothing, and a yellow swimsuit for a beach wedding 485 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: before before her groom's wife died in her sleep Tammy 486 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: Day Belle. We know that, according to leaked email, authorities 487 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: very close to potentially indicting her for the death of 488 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: either her husband, Charles Valley or her brother Alex Cox. 489 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: We also learn that, according to her close relatives, she 490 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: thought her children had turned into zombies and they needed 491 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: to die. But is she about to walk free? Yes? Free, 492 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Nate Eaton. So far 493 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: the facility where she's being held, that has not happened. 494 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: She is still in jail. I think that she is 495 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: perhaps one of the top five, maybe the most famous 496 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: inmate in America right now. I don't see the sheriff 497 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: letting her go. I could see them letting every other 498 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: inmate in that jail go before her. And when she 499 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: was book there were about twenty women there with her, 500 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: so there's around two dozen female inmates around sixty to 501 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: seventy male inmates. They are kept in separate facilities, separate units, 502 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: so it's not like and they can hold up to 503 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: I believe one hundred and forty, so they have quite 504 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: a bit more space. But I could see them letting 505 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: some lesser some inmates who have been charged with lesser 506 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: crimes going before they would actually let her out. To 507 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo Anchor Orlanda's Morning News BDBO, is there the 508 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: potential that Laurie val occult mom is going to be 509 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: released over COVID nineteen years I don't think so, Nancy. 510 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what her lawyers are trying to do. 511 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: I think it'll be absolutely crazy. They're trying to get 512 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: her bond lowered. But there are even if it does 513 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,239 Speaker 1: get lowered, their bond companies that don't even want to 514 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: touch her. I would be willing to bet my mortgage 515 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: that this woman is not going to see the light 516 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: of day. To Joseph's Goot Morgan, professor forensics at Jacksonville 517 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: State University and author jo Scott, what are they concerns 518 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,239 Speaker 1: about COVID nineteen behind mars Well with COVID nineteen, you know, 519 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: these these jails are are just festering many times with 520 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: dirt and filth in this sort of thing. So it's 521 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: a perfect environment for a virus like COVID nineteen to 522 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: thrive in this environment, and you can forget about social distancing. 523 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: In this type of environment. People get costs, they get sniffles, 524 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: they get coals, and if there are a carrier that 525 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: can pass it on just by coughing into the air 526 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: in someone's proximity, and people will say, well, they're in 527 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: different cells, it doesn't matter because if they're in close proximity, 528 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: it can be transferred to them. So it's very, very dangerous, 529 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: and that's what the authorities are looking at nationwide, not 530 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: just in this case. Right now, the US has about 531 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: five thousand detention facilities jails, prisons are also local and 532 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: state facilities as well. They concern that COVID nineteen coronavirus 533 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: can spread rampant through gails is very concerning. Will Lori 534 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: Valo be released because of COVID nineteen concerns? Wow? You know, 535 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 1: to James Shellnott twenty seven years amut a major case now, lawyer, 536 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: if there weren't so many dead bodies connected to her, 537 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: simply not telling police where your children are is not 538 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: a violent felony. But she's got so many dead bodies 539 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: around her. Would the court be able to consider that 540 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: before releasing her due to COVID nineteen concerns? The defense 541 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: attorneys are going to argue that they shouldn't because they're 542 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: going to argue that she hasn't been charged with these crimes. 543 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: And although you know that the prosecution would love for 544 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: the judge to consider that they're going to argue that 545 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: it's not relevant. In the same token, the judge is 546 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: going to see the big picture. And you know, there's 547 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: a phrase in the law that says you can't unring 548 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: the bell once something spoken or heard. I can't help 549 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: but to imagine that the judge doesn't have a news 550 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: channel and hasn't heard the name Laurie Valo, and does 551 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: it somewhere in the back of the judge's mind knows 552 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: the big picture in the prosecuts certainly is at least 553 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: going to attempt to argue it. With all that being considered, 554 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't see her getting out. Well. The authorities at 555 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 1: the Madison County Jail there in Rexburg, Idaho, Idaho say 556 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: that Laurie Valo cult mom's presence. It's not changing anything 557 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: that they are doing in preparation over COVID nineteen. That 558 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: they plan to screen her like everybody else behind bars. 559 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: Prevention protocols are in place. There's the potential release of 560 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: low level offenders. I don't think she will be considered 561 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: a low level offender, but right now she's got a 562 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: bond set as we know, and to you, Kathleen mur Murphy, 563 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer. When you're bought. This judge in 564 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: Idaho slashed or five million dollar bonds set in Hawaii 565 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: to one million. She only has to put up ten percent. 566 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: That's one hundred grand. The husband, the current husband got 567 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty three thousand dollars life insurance, or 568 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: we've been told from his dead wife Tammy Day bell 569 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: she could bond out. That's very scary. But then I 570 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: think about her wedding ring. It only calls thirty eight 571 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: dollars and thirty one cent, so I'm not sure how 572 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: much money they're really going forward. But she did buy 573 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: that ring before Tammy Day Belle passed away, so well, 574 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, I don't care if it was fifty dollars 575 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: or fifty thousand dollars. The timing, timing is everything. Purchasing 576 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: that wedding ring before your grim's wife is divorced or dead, 577 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 1: that's a problem. Here's another concern about releasing Laurie Valocult, Mom, Listen, 578 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: I'm taking a walk with a follower, she says. She 579 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: and Chad both communicate with spirits that they are true 580 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: members of the Mormon Church. Preparing for the end of 581 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: the world, and she doesn't judge Chad even if he's guilty, 582 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: because we're all sinners. There is always going to be 583 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: the ability to take scripture and use it for your 584 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: own gain, which is what these people are doing. Flora 585 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: Jessa escapes from Warren Jeff's Polygamus cults on the Utah 586 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: Arizona border, then rescued other young women. She believes Chad 587 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: and Laurie are following a familiar playbook, using the Mormon 588 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: Church to attract followers. They go to church, they are 589 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: members of the church. They recruit from the church. This 590 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: is not a secret organization. We sent detailed questions to 591 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: the LDS Church in Salt Lake City and got this response. 592 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: We received your inquiry, but don't have anything to offer 593 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: on this. Do you think the Mormon Church needs to 594 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: do something about this? I think they are failing their 595 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: members if they don't do something about this. You're hearing 596 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 1: our friends speaking out again about the cult. Mom Laurie 597 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: Valos believe that wasn't more glow at CBS five News. 598 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is when you get right down 599 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: to it, to doctor Angela Arnold, with beliefs like that 600 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: by someone who is not legally insane. Who knows what 601 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: she would do if she got out on bond. Well, 602 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: my thought, if she does get out on bond, people 603 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: are still going to be following her around, right and 604 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: her and she's going to escalate her behavior. Well, I mean, 605 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: how do you escalate your behavior when you've got one 606 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: dead husband, one dead ex wife, two missing children, and 607 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,479 Speaker 1: a dead brother. I don't know how you escalate from that, 608 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: But we will wait as justice unfolds in the case 609 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: of CULTMM Laurie Valo Nancy Grace Crime Story is signing 610 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend,