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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jenny and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. We have a special

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving episode for you today, talking about the most common

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Speaker 1: things that we would see at Thanksgiving time that have

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Speaker 1: to do with of course eating and also relationship disputes.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into Let's get into cooking injuries at first.

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Speaker 1: All right, yeah, let's start off with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: cooking injuries. This is going to be, you know, the

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Speaker 1: most common thing we see this time of year. So first,

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Speaker 1: let's start off talking about a pressure cooker. This is

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Speaker 1: something that the both of us heavily use a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I use it for almost

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Speaker 1: every single dinner. Really, you use it that often? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really cook so much stuff in there. I use

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Speaker 1: it sometimes. I think it's really cool. I just started

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Speaker 1: using it when you told me to get it, actually

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and it is.

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Speaker 3: It is really awesome.

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Speaker 1: But what happens is with for those of you who've

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Speaker 1: never used a pressure cooker, it just you put your

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Speaker 1: food in there and it cooks it and accelerates the

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Speaker 1: boiling point basically to cook your food faster than it

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Speaker 1: normally could on a stove, but when it's under pressure

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Speaker 1: like that, it can be a serious safety hazard. So

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Speaker 1: even if you've bought one of these modern instapots at

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Speaker 1: you know, Target or whatever, there's one thousand warning labels

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Speaker 1: all over it, and you know, the.

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Speaker 3: History of them kind of can scare the shit out.

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Speaker 1: Of you if you really know what could happen like

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Speaker 1: it did in this particular case we have in the

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Speaker 1: gross room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean there used to be I feel like a

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Speaker 1: lot of issues with it when they first were like

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Speaker 1: popping off, and you know, I guess they started coming

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Speaker 1: out in what the seventies, probably in the eighties, but

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Speaker 1: they were having a lot of problems and then all

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Speaker 1: of the us sudden, the insta pot comes out and

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Speaker 1: like it's this like new modern machine for millennials, right.

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Speaker 1: I think they came back because they put all these

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Speaker 1: crazy safety mechanisms on it to prevent them from blowing off,

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Speaker 1: but they still tell you that there's a possibility of

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Speaker 1: doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So in this case, this woman was in her thirties,

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Speaker 1: she was using the instipot. I guess she was, or

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Speaker 1: I don't know, was the fancy pot specific or just

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Speaker 1: a pressure cooker.

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Speaker 3: It just set a pressure cooker.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So she's using a pressure cooker and she's standing

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Speaker 1: in front of it, and all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 1: lid blows off of it.

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Speaker 3: The thing tips over.

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Speaker 1: If you've ever used one of these things, they caused

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Speaker 1: this crazy amount of steam that comes out. Again, there's

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Speaker 1: a million warnings all over these things that are like,

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Speaker 1: don't stand near when it's releasing steam.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, she didn't know the.

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Speaker 1: Lid was gonna blow off of it, so it tips over,

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Speaker 1: and then it's like pushing all of that excess steam

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Speaker 1: and boiling hot liquid onto her and she immediately, you know,

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Speaker 1: her partner tried to get her in a cold shower

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Speaker 1: as quickly as possible. They brought her to urgent care,

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Speaker 1: but she had really bad burns from this. Yeah, she

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Speaker 1: had second degree burns over a large percentage of her

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Speaker 1: body from both the steam and the liquid hot boiling

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Speaker 1: fluid that was in the pressure cooker. So just we're

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Speaker 1: just telling you, like we use them all the time,

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Speaker 1: but just be careful with them because they could really

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Speaker 1: hurt you. And like, think about this. The Boston Marathon

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Speaker 1: bombers used pressure cookers to really shrapnel, so it's like

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Speaker 1: they have the potential to really harm you. So you

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Speaker 1: just have to follow. Think if you follow the directions

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Speaker 1: and stuff, you're gonna be cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing is like you want to buy

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Speaker 1: a good brand that has a good reputation of not

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Speaker 1: a lot of incidents happening, and you know there's labels

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Speaker 1: all over it that are like, when it's pressure cooking,

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Speaker 1: do not try to force the lid off for a

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Speaker 1: good reason. I don't know what happened in this case,

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Speaker 1: if it was a faulty machine or it wasn't being

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Speaker 1: used correctly, but we obviously don't want to end up

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Speaker 1: in situations like this because they're horrible and these things

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Speaker 1: get really hot. One of my theories in medicine in general,

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Speaker 1: just everyday things that people use that they get injured by,

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Speaker 1: I think that they're way underreported. So for example, if

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Speaker 1: it was her fault or whatever it was, it still

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Speaker 1: should get reported to the company. Right, What are the

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Speaker 1: chances that they're getting the exact name brand of whatever

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Speaker 1: that she got injured by it, Like this probably happens

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Speaker 1: all the time. I say the same thing about like

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Speaker 1: iud's and stuff, all these things that I've seen people

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Speaker 1: having injuries from all the time, and I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: I wonder how many of these are actually reported to

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Speaker 1: the companies as complications from a medical issue or from

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Speaker 1: a product that was dysfunctioning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I would assume also because of like you know, the

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Speaker 1: holidays and getting bombarded with a bunch of injuries. And

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that most hospitals are understaffed on holidays because

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Speaker 1: a lot of regular personnel take off that they're not

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Speaker 1: really worried about making sure the company is getting the

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Speaker 3: But I've never been on that end of it like

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Speaker 1: I know for a fact that we used to report

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Speaker 1: certain breast and plants that would rupture or something like that.

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Speaker 1: We had reporting systems to put in, but that was

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Speaker 1: only if they told us of a specific case. There

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Speaker 1: was also these devices they used to use back in

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Speaker 1: the day for birth control called ashore, which was they

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Speaker 1: put these coils into fallopian tubes and took it was

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Speaker 1: to cause scarring, so then you in theory you couldn't

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Speaker 1: get pregnant. And people were just having all sorts of

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Speaker 1: complications with them. So we would get them sent down

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Speaker 1: to the lab and they would tell us like, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is a lawsuitcase. Make sure that you really work

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Speaker 1: But just on average everyday cases, that wasn't always the case. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I never thought.

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Speaker 1: About that, like when people have to sue the companies,

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Speaker 1: what happens on your guys end with that. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: They gave us very specific instructions how to cut the uterus,

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Speaker 1: then we had to submit all these different sections and

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Speaker 1: just because it was a lawsuit, and that was the

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Speaker 1: most common one that I saw in surgical pathology was

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Speaker 1: from those assured devices, all right, And while we could

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Speaker 1: get burned by something like a pressure cooker any day,

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Speaker 1: more specifically to Thanksgiving is deep friors for turkeys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they cause a lot of issues, so they became popular.

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Speaker 1: They haven't been used forever in this country, obviously, but

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Speaker 1: they became really popular probably when Martha Stewart put it

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Speaker 3: Well, let's not blame Martha for this.

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Speaker 1: I'm not blaming Martha. I've never had it, and I

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Speaker 1: want to have it so bad. One of the firemen

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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving one day just to get to taste it

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Speaker 3: I'm not blaming her.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that a lot of people might have

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Speaker 3: You're gonna leave.

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Speaker 1: The five star meal at my house to try to

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Speaker 1: It seems like in the eighties this started, you know,

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Speaker 1: first happening when they were converting like crawfish boilers into

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Speaker 1: the problem is a lot of people don't know what

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Speaker 1: So what happened was they had the turkey fire that

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Speaker 1: which is so unsafe. But I don't know why this

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Speaker 3: Wanted a snack.

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Speaker 1: Was it actually for Thanksgiving dinner or he was just

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Speaker 3: No, I think it was around Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: I think it was Thanksgiving week, So I don't know

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Speaker 1: what he was doing cooking in the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: But he set it all up, got it going, and

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Speaker 1: then went inside and fell asleep. And then when it's unsupervised,

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Speaker 1: this accident could have easily happened if.

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Speaker 3: He was standing there.

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Speaker 1: But you might have like a fire extinguisher right next

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Speaker 1: it blows all the windows out of the back of

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Speaker 3: It sets the back of your house on fire.

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Speaker 1: So well, they estimate that there are sixty injuries a

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, just got it.

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Speaker 1: We know is linked to Yeah, like you just gotta

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Speaker 3: But you know what, I was just thinking.

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Speaker 1: You know those delicious turkey legs that they have in

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Speaker 1: Disney World, Yeah, are they deep fried or what? Like?

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Speaker 3: How are they know?

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Speaker 1: They're probably smoked because they have a special taste to them.

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Speaker 3: Just wasn't with it.

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00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 1: Well, their relationship didn't start off great. I think she

443
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: was twenty three and he was like in his mid

444
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: he was fifty six, so and they got married like

445
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: two days after they met. So like, I don't know

446
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,239
Speaker 1: what was happened in their relationship, but clearly it was

447
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 1: not good for her, and she did she did say

448
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: that she cut him up, and it's so this is

449
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: like the disturbing parts that she caught up his body

450
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: parts and mixed them with turkey leftovers and put them

451
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: in the in the trash to try to to try

452
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: to conceal what she had done, and she shoved multiple

453
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: parts of his body down the garbage disposal, to which

454
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: neighbors can firm that she was running it for quote hours, right,

455
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: And I guess if you live in a building close

456
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: to someone, you could hear it like that. So that

457
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: was crazy. But she boiled his hands to remove his fingerprints.

458
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: But the most the craziest thing is that she admitted

459
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: to a psychiatrist that she quote did his ribs just

460
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: like a restaurant and said, it is so sweet. It's delicious,

461
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: I like mind tender. So she cooked his ribs and

462
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: ate them. She also put his head in the freezer,

463
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: which they found later. She said she was figuring out

464
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: what to do with it that won't fit down the drain.

465
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: I suppose no.

466
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: And imagine being the police officer that has to go

467
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: to the scene and finds his stuff.

468
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

469
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: We talk about at least one story. Well it's even

470
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: the one we just talked about. Like, imagine standing there

471
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: and getting a phone call on Thanksgiving. So all right,

472
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: you're a first responder and you're already working on the holiday,

473
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: which sucks. You get a call that says, oh, we

474
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: were supposed to go here for Thanksgiving and nobody's here.

475
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: And they show up and the house is all dark.

476
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: They're like holding side items and bottles of wine in

477
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: their hand, right, and just like, hey, could you check?

478
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: And then it all of a sudden turns to the

479
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: sister finding her brother like that and her sister in

480
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: law like that. I mean that's a lot for a

481
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: cop to see too, especially any person that's dismembered all

482
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: over the floor is disturbing as hell. And then this

483
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, doing this investigation, imagine the psychiatrist talking

484
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: to this woman who's talking about eating a human's ribs.

485
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: I cannot imagine that.

486
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: So so I understand that she was mad and upset

487
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: that she got sexually assaulted, but I think there was

488
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: other things going on with her because I don't see

489
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: the correlation of being sexually assaulted and then I could

490
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: see killing someone because you don't that's fine, but like

491
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: cooking them and eating.

492
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 3: Them is that's like another lefle of crazy. Yeah, we have.

493
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: Plenty of cases where people were raped and then ended

494
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: up killing somebody, but it's never quite escalated into then

495
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: eating their remains. Yeah. What's really interesting is she went

496
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: to jail after this, but she's actually eligible for parole

497
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, Yeah, which is soon. Right.

498
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: I wonder if I mean she did.

499
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: I would think if she talked to a psychiatrist and

500
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: was saying these things, there has to be some kind

501
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: of diagnosis with this, right, Like it's just an average

502
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: person just doesn't eat someone.

503
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 3: Like this what year did this happen? In ninety one? Yeah?

504
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: It really just wasn't that long ago. So she can

505
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: get out in a couple of years. And she's not

506
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: even really that old. So yeah, she was only twenty three. Yeah,

507
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: so what is she like in her fifties. I'm prep

508
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: My math is all over the place.

509
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: So.

510
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 3: I can't just do it all this spot with that.

511
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would assume she's getting out in twenty twenty six.

512
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 3: Let me do the math.

513
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, people are like these girls are so dupe.

514
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: I just I'm not a math in my head person.

515
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: I was also telling, you know, Lily and like learning

516
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: all this.

517
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, she'll be fifty eight when she's eligible to get released,

518
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: so so she might be on the dating market soon.

519
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: Just imagine. I mean she probably has a boyfriend, like

520
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: everyone in jail has relationships. Apparently we didn't even cover

521
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: this this week, but like this story came out that

522
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: Lyle Menenda is like having an affair in jail, and

523
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: you were saying, how do you even have an affair?

524
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: And like they literally get letters all the time.

525
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. Actually, after we talked about this,

526
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: do you think like when you're in jail and you

527
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: meet someone if you just are like, oh, any person

528
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: is paying attention to me and wants to be a

529
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: relationship with me, and I'm kind like, you can't really

530
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: date in a typical way of like dating all these

531
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: different women and finding out which one you're a good

532
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: fit with. And then once he found out that he

533
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: was possibly going to get out, he's just like fuck this,

534
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: Like I got I can't I have my choice of

535
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: any woman now, Like I don't. I don't need to

536
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: be with this lady anymore.

537
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

538
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: I really don't know he I think he's already been

539
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: married two times. So and he was a teenager when

540
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: he went to jail, right, so it's this is like

541
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: the only he was in his early twenties. Okay, but

542
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: he had a girlfriend at the time that the parents

543
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: were murdered. But I don't think he had like an

544
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: extensive dating history.

545
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah did he marry that girl?

546
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: No? Oh, okay, he married He married like two women

547
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: that were following the trial. Wow, that's insane. So that's

548
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: like a whole other subject. Just what was that show

549
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: called that talked about people of love after Laca?

550
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

551
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well there's there's Also, there was a new show

552
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: last year called like prison Wives or something.

553
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

554
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: I didn't watch any of those, but I think there's

555
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: a psychological component for the woman that they are. They

556
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: typically have the history of dating cheaters, and then they

557
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: think because the guys in prison that they like can't

558
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: cheat on them because they're in jail, But they're not

559
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: factoring in emotional affairs via letters of phone calls.

560
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't understand.

561
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: Like, I was kind of mind blown when I found

562
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: out that there was some kind of Reddit group for

563
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: people who like loved Brian Coburger and thought he was

564
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: like hot, which is just like, Okay, I don't know

565
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: who you're looking at and thinking this is hot. But

566
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: you have this person that is strong. There's a lot

567
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: of strong evidence against him murdering for people and stabbing

568
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: them and butchering them to death. What's attractive about that?

569
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Well, it was the same with that

570
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: Wade Wilson guy that was convicted a couple months ago.

571
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: I mean, there are still girls making TikTok saying he's innocent,

572
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, just because a person's like a t

573
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they didn't brutally murder somebody. It's very

574
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: he's the one that was attractive and then got all

575
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: these weird.

576
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: Tattoos on his face.

577
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah like that right, there is is a sign

578
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: of guilt. Is just that he has like some crazy

579
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: shit on his face? Right?

580
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm like it's not and it's not just like

581
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: them in jail.

582
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there Isn't it like racist stuff and all this,

583
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: Like it's not just like no, it's not just like

584
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: normal face tattoos. He has like a swasig on his face.

585
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: Yea horrible stuff.

586
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: Like what's going.

587
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: You're like, something is clearly not right with that guy. Yeah,

588
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: of course, but there's you know, all these women like

589
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: obsessed with him, and it's very weird to me that

590
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: you're not like I really want to talk to one

591
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: of these people, honestly.

592
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: I just want to like.

593
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: Look at someone in the eye and just be like

594
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: explain this to me.

595
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: Please.

596
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: Could you imagine like somebody at your work or someone

597
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: in your family telling you that they that they had

598
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: some kind of crosser relationship with a person like this,

599
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: Like you just want to talk to them and say, like,

600
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: what's happening right now? But Eric Menendez has been with

601
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: his wife I think for thirty years like that. That

602
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: situation to me is a little bit different because I

603
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: strongly believe that they're innocent and if anybody really I mean,

604
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: obviously I don't think they're innocent. I think they murdered

605
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: their parents for sure, but the background of them having

606
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: this abuse and stuff is pretty strong, and I'm kind

607
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: of like free pass on those things. It's the same

608
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: with like, listen Gipsy Rose situation. Most people are kind

609
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: of putting her on People magazine and like she's she's

610
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: going to red carpet premieres and stuff, like they're giving

611
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: her a pass because of what she went through. Right,

612
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with them. It's just a little

613
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: bit different with these other cases that you're like, and

614
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: there's not really much that you're going to be able

615
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: to say to me to prove that he didn't do

616
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: this right, especially the coburger case.

617
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's very interesting.

618
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: He's just not He's not hot even a little bit

619
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: like people used to say Ted Bundy was hot. You're like, no,

620
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: unless there's I don't want to kid, there's a lid

621
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: for every part I under I understand that. But but

622
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: there's also people in general think that. Okay, most people

623
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: will say, oh, Brad Pitt is a handsome person, right,

624
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: like he's not really my cup of tea. But I

625
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: could look at him and say, okay, I could see

626
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: why he's an a technically handsome person, right, So then

627
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: people would say that about Ted Bundy, right. And then

628
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: I've heard the argument that people say, well, back in

629
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: the day, he was considered handsome, and I'm like, no,

630
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: fucking Elvis was considered handsome and he's still considered handsome, Tokay.

631
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to stand by that argument and say,

632
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: for regular person, he was considered seventies handsome, but he's

633
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: not my type.

634
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: But I'm just.

635
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: Saying, like that's that's people don't didn't get more attractive.

636
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: But if thirty years or forty or fifty years later,

637
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: like that's ridiculous.

638
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: Regular people didn't didn't evolve and get hotter. There's plenty

639
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: of people that you could say were hot in the seventies,

640
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, it's people are getting hotter.

641
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: It's no, No, that's absolutely they're getting hotter with plastics

642
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: recreated enhancement. Yeah, but we're but dudes typically, well I

643
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: know they do, but a lot of dudes don't do that.

644
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: So you just have to think about, like he wasn't hot.

645
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: The only thing that you could say was hot was

646
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: that people are attracted to the fact that he was

647
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: a serial killer. I just don't I just don't see

648
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: it in the face. It's the same with Coburger. I

649
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: just don't see it. And it's funny because, well, the

650
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: thing is is that apparently he was like an in

651
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: cell type, right, yeah, and like nobody thought he was

652
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: hot before this happened. He wasn't like pounding it left

653
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: and right right, like nobody was into that. And now

654
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's got like all these girls

655
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: into him because he killed some killed people.

656
00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: It's weird.

657
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm telling you the people obsessed with

658
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: him are in part because I'm sure some of them

659
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: think he's attractive, but you know, a lot of it

660
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: has to do with what he did, which is scarier

661
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: to think about that some people are okay with that

662
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: and attracted to people that have murdered other people.

663
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know.

664
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: And it's not that I guess that's the scary part

665
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: about these Reddit groups and just the online in general

666
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: is that you're always going to have some sick fuck

667
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: out there that thinks a certain way. But now you

668
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: have these communities where all of these people could get

669
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: together and share all their sick ideas and like feed

670
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: off of each other and this, listen, this could be a.

671
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: Really positive thing.

672
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: Like when you have the Walmart nutcracker group on Facebook,

673
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: every face posting that makes me want to get one

674
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: now actually, but everyone's posting these blank nutcrackers that you

675
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: could buy that are like six foot tall at Walmart

676
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: and there's like groups for them on Facebook, right, And

677
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: you're like, that's a good example of.

678
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: A community with a weird.

679
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: Niche that gets together and it's like, hey, look how

680
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: I painted my note cracker and stuff totally innocent. But

681
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: then you have these people that are like, hey, isn't

682
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: it hot that that guy like file aid that girl open?

683
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is so hot? Like then that shit's weird, yeah,

684
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: but like this is this is like where we're gonna

685
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: start seeing. You know, the Internet's been around for what

686
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: like three decades approximately right now, so we're gonna really

687
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: start seeing the dangers of it when things like this

688
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: start coming out more and more over time. I guess

689
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: you could kind of say the grocroom is somewhere in

690
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: between these two things, because it is kind of you're

691
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: looking at things that are really sick and twisted, but

692
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: at the same time you're you're learning about them and

693
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: trying to hopefully people are learning about them and not

694
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: and trying to make their lives better and not other things. Right,

695
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: you can't even say the grocerm is the same thing.

696
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: They're not people like actively having discussions of the public

697
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: forum being like this is sexy, like you know what

698
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean, No, but it's people in an active forum

699
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: that are like, oh, this is the craziest accident I've

700
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: ever seen. This is the craziest murder I've ever seen.

701
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: I've never seen such a gruesome murder. It's like people

702
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: getting together to talk about the worst things that could

703
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: happen to humans, basically, but it is it is interesting,

704
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: and it's like the whole true crime thing, like why

705
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: are women so interested in true crime? And it's just like, well,

706
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: number one because our maybe our lives aren't that exciting,

707
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know if this has happened at

708
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: crime con before, but I think they should because it's

709
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent women. Do a lecture on the psychological

710
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: like component of women being attracted to serial killers.

711
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, now nobody has to do it. I don't know,

712
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: maybe they've done it before.

713
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just trying to think of like who

714
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: to even recommend that too. And really they could even

715
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: talk about the fascination with true crime and the women.

716
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: And it is interesting because when we went there the first,

717
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: like you know, I had Gabe walk around with me

718
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: at first, just so we could like check out the

719
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: convention and stuff, and he was just like, Yo, there's

720
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: like all women here. This is insane. He's just like,

721
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: look around, there's like a random husband with the wife

722
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: or something, but like this is like a whole chick thing.

723
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: He's like, why is that? He kind of was like

724
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: mind blown by that a little bit. Well, there you have,

725
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: like you want to think that a majority of the

726
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: women are attracted to like the police officers and the lawyers.

727
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: Joe's The line of women that are lined up for

728
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: him is hilarious.

729
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 3: Your mother face, Yes, my mom is.

730
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like my mom is like the prime

731
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: person that will go there and stand in line for

732
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: three hours just to like be like, Hi, they send

733
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: to you all the time. And then the women following

734
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: that Murphy like he's the Beatles, right, like, so you

735
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: have all.

736
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: That that happened.

737
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: I told him that when I interviewed him, I was

738
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: just like I looked over and saw all these women

739
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: like fan growing following some dude and it ended up

740
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: being you like that's it was just like, it's just

741
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: like hilarious her. Why don't we move on to the

742
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: rest of it so we could talk. We could talk

743
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: about serial killers and people being in love with them

744
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: forever and a criminal justice. Yeah, and we need to

745
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: talk about eating injuries because you know, lots of people

746
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: eat tomorrow so or Thanksgiving. All right, So I guess

747
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: a big risk with eating turkeys and stuff is that

748
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: you could potentially eat parts of the bones if they're

749
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: not cut properly. And that happened to this one guy

750
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: in this one key's so like over ten years ago,

751
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: this guy in Australia. I don't even think this is

752
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving related, but it's wishbone related. So who eats turkey

753
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: that's not on Thanksgiving? I know people eat, like launch

754
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: eat turkey and stuff, but like, do people cook a

755
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: turkey on any other day besides Thanksgiving and maybe Christmas time. Yes,

756
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: my stepmother in law cooks turkey breast like on a

757
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: regular day. Okay, I've never well, I cook ground turkey

758
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: a lot, but not like yeah, I guess instead of

759
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, I know. Anyway, sorry, anyway, you this guy

760
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: sits down and he's playing video games and he's eating

761
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: leftovers and swallows part of a wishbone that was in

762
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: the leftovers. Which how does that happen in general?

763
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: Are you?

764
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, But he knew that he swallowed it.

765
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: He knew he swallowed it, but he was hoping it

766
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: would just pass.

767
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

768
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: So this is the biggest thing I want to tell you, guys.

769
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: If you ever swallow something that's considered to be a

770
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: foreign body like a bone, go to the hospital really

771
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 1: and don't risk trying to pass it, because especially if

772
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: it even if it's not broken, it could perforate your

773
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: bow wall and it could really cause you to die.

774
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: And you should always just go to the hospital right away, honestly, Like,

775
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: if this guy went to the hospital right away and

776
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: got an endoscopy really fast, they would have been able

777
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: to just remove it and end of story.

778
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: And instead it turned into hell for this guy.

779
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so basically he's just like waiting this

780
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: time for it to pass. It doesn't pass. Two days later,

781
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: he starts having indigestion, chest tightness, shortness of breath, and

782
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: then he started having pain in his anus. The worst

783
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: part of this is really how he got treated at

784
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: the hospital. Like I was reading this and I just

785
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that this is actually what really happened. Like

786
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: he went to the hospital and he told them that

787
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: he ingested accidentally a wishbone and said he was having

788
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: pain in his anus, And the first thing the people

789
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: at the hospital should have done was give him imaging

790
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: and find out, like where is this thing and what's happening,

791
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: And instead they sent.

792
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: Him home with hemorrhoid cream.

793
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: Okay, even make Eddie's say, like I understand that you

794
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: could have anal pain from hemorrhoids, but like the foreign

795
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: body in the GI track is a concern no matter what,

796
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: even if he wasn't even saying he had anal pain, like,

797
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: check that shit out.

798
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: So they didn't do it. And then when he went

799
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: back he ended up having the wishbone had perforated through

800
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: his rectum. And caused an abscess, which is a collection

801
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: of pus essentially around the bow, and that's what was

802
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: causing his pain. And furthermore, he became septic from that,

803
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: which means that the bacteria got into his bloodstream and

804
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: spread to his organs. And he went to the ICU

805
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: and everything, and he woke up and he was paralyzed

806
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: from the waist down because of that, or from the

807
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: neck down actually because that's sorry. Yeah, and he had

808
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: to live in a rehab for four years before he

809
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: could go home. I don't know if he did it, say,

810
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: if he ended up and walking again or that was Yeah,

811
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: he had something called critical illness neuropathy, which is something

812
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: that people can get after they have a serious illness,

813
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: especially like sepsis, that could cause them to become temporari paralyzed.

814
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad that he ended up suing the hospital, honestly,

815
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: because this could have been caught multiple times before it

816
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: became a problem for him, you know what I mean.

817
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: And I have another story actually of a woman who

818
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: swallowed a wishbone but didn't know she swallowed a wishbone,

819
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: and she went to the hospital because there was something

820
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: hard protruding from her anus. She had a history of constipation,

821
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: and when they did imaging on her, they saw that

822
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: she had this V shaped foreign bodies stuck in her

823
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: rectum right near her anus. And when they removed it,

824
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: it was a wishbone. And she like literally had no

825
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: idea that she even ate it. I don't understand how

826
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: it's ending up in I do because when you when

827
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: you eat, there's been multiple times that you're eating like

828
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: a like a chicken, like a drumstick, for example, you

829
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: could bite off a piece of a bone pretty easily,

830
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: especially the smaller bones, and you could just get it

831
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: in your mouth like it's it's not it's not uncommon

832
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: for that to happen because their bones aren't. They're just

833
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: like they're not always super hard like you would like

834
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: you would think. And actually a wishbone is the zyphoid process,

835
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: which is your you know, the bottom of your sternum

836
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: kind of and sometimes that could be like cartinolaginous or

837
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: like cartilagic. You could bite through it with your teeth.

838
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: It's not what you would think of as a super

839
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: hard bone. Sometimes and depending on how old the turkey

840
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: your chicken is depends on how hard it would be.

841
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: So I think it's it's totally possible if you're just

842
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: like have it in your hands and you're like chewing

843
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: it like that, that you could get a bone in

844
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: your mouth easily and not know it. But if you

845
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: do know it, especially like the biggest one that I

846
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: always saw working in surgical pathology with dishbones, because they're

847
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: so they're so and they're pointy, they're almost like little

848
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: needles that you're swallowing, and so many people had problems

849
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: with them, and it's like if you chew one and

850
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: by accident you think you swallowed it, like you really

851
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: should just get checked out. Yeah, well, I guess it's

852
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: just like you gotta really watch when you're carving the

853
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: meat and making sure you're not getting it in because

854
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: anybody could have this issue, but they're saying most people,

855
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: most of the time people that have the issues are

856
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: children elderly people. So speaking of children, there was another

857
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: case in which where this mother and her child were

858
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: at Golden Corral restaurant on Thanksgiving and eating and the

859
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: kids started choking on mashed potatoes and then thank god,

860
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: somebody in the restaurant knew how to do the Heimluk maneuver.

861
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: And was able to do it quickly and save the kid. Yeah,

862
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: so choking is most common in kids, little kids, and

863
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: then adults. So when you get older and you're just

864
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: losing your reflexes and stuff like that. And I did

865
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: I've told the story on here about when somebody used

866
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: it on my stete, right, I don't remember. Well. So

867
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: what this doctor Heimlich discovered in the seventies is that

868
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: if you're choking, there's still some leftover air in your lungs.

869
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: So if you squeeze a person right underneath their ribs,

870
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: you can help expel some of that air that's in

871
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: their lungs and push a foreign body out of the

872
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: throat if it's stuck. Right. So that's didn't catch on

873
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: for a while because obviously when anybody brings up a

874
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: new medical idea, there's always people like saying it's not

875
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Speaker 1: a good idea for years until they realize that it is.

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Speaker 3: A good idea.

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Speaker 1: Typically before that, you would just like slap someone on

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00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: the back, which is what you would still do now.

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Speaker 1: If you have a person that's like unconscious or a

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00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: baby or somebody. Really the first thing you should do

881
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: is if you see that someone's choking, and you talk

882
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: to them and you say like, are you choking? And

883
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: they're not able to talk as the first sign, because

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00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: typically you would think, like when they show you in

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00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: the movies and stuff, like when someone's choked, it's like

886
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: they're making all this noise and stuff, and it's just like, no,

887
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: no noise is coming out because the item is blocked

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00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: over top of the voice box, so there's no way

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00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: that any sound could come out because no air could

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00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: come out, right, And you should really ask them like, hey,

891
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: can you try to cough? Because sometimes if they can cough,

892
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: like they could dislodge it, but if not, you should

893
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: really do this heimlick on them. And this happened to

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Speaker 1: my sister. We were at the softball field when we

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00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: were little kids. And you know, it's like I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about this when I was reading this because the

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Speaker 1: heim doctor Heimlich had said this in the seventies and

898
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: it didn't really catch on for ten whole years. So

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Speaker 1: that brings you to the early eighties. And this happened

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Speaker 1: probably in like the late eighties. So this mom that

901
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: knew about doing this was kind of on top of

902
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: her shit, especially before the Internet and all this stuff,

903
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: like you got to think about that. And my sister

904
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Speaker 1: was eating this piece of candy that was like a lifesaver,

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Speaker 1: but it had it had this center in it that

906
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Speaker 1: I had a whistle in it. And you put the

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00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: life saver thing in between your lips and you were

908
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: supposed to blow out air and it made.

909
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: Like a whistle sound.

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00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: Well, she put it between her lips and she sucked in.

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00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: For whatever reason. She was young, she was like seven

912
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: or something, she was little. She sucked it in and

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00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: it went in her throat. And this mom who was

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Speaker 1: walking with us just happened to notice that she wasn't

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00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: breathing and gave her the heimlick and like got it

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Speaker 1: out of her. And it's just like, that's how fast

917
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: it could happen to people, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I think since then that piece of candy is recalled,

919
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: or at least it's not sold in America anymore, although

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00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: I feel like I googled it fairly recently and saw

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Speaker 1: it on Amazon, but it's not sold like it was anyway.

922
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: But but yeah, that it works. It saves lives all

923
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Speaker 1: the time, you know, and it's just a way to

924
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: especially if it's happening to you, like if you're home

925
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: alone or something. You could do it on yourself by

926
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: just making a fist and going underneath a your ribs

927
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: and just pushing as hard as you can. But you

928
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Speaker 1: also could just basically jam your your body, your abdomen

929
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Speaker 1: right below your ribs into like a piece of furniture

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Speaker 1: to push something out. My god, but I gave even

931
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Speaker 1: imagine avidities something like that. Well, the thing is is

932
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Speaker 1: that you don't you want it to be like a

933
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Speaker 1: last resort because you could hurt some money, You could

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Speaker 1: break the rib or you could even like perforate one

935
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Speaker 1: of their bowls, right, so you want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that when you're doing it it's legit. But even if

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00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: you do, if someone's legit choking and you save them,

938
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Speaker 1: even if you do break their rib, like who cares,

939
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Speaker 1: Like that could be fixed. Even a perforated bowel can

940
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: be fixed. Like if someone chokes, they'll die. So you

941
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Speaker 1: just look at it that way. So the risk is

942
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Speaker 1: kind of worth it if if it's necessary.

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Speaker 3: Well, on that.

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Speaker 1: Note, I hope you guys got some good some good

945
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: stories to talk about it, you know what, So there's

946
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: like this, I don't I don't want to say anything

947
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: about a brand name or anything, because I I don't

948
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: even know if it works. But I've seen commercials for

949
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Speaker 1: some tool that there is that you could have at

950
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Speaker 1: your house and like stick it in someone's mouth and

951
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: like suck something out of their mouth or something when

952
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: I know when they're choking. I don't know, like like

953
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: if it probably works and it's probably awesome, but just

954
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: it's just like a weird thing, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: if I had one in my house, I'd be like

956
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: where is it, Like it's in a drawer somewhere, and

957
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: like ripping it out of like ten thousand drawers or whatever.

958
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: But I guess you could keep it like near the

959
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: fire extinguisher or whatever. I feel like you would just

960
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: never like if you had it at your house, you

961
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: would choke in a restaurant. If you had it in

962
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Speaker 1: your purse, it would be in the car, would you

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Speaker 1: choke it? I don't know if you can carry it

964
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Speaker 1: in your purse because it's kind of big. Oh really,

965
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: I think it's I don't think it's like a little thing,

966
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Speaker 1: Like it wouldn't fit in my purse for sure. Maybe

967
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: those fond to us so we could try it out. Yeah,

968
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Speaker 1: do you want to practice on that. No, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. We hope you have a

970
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: great Thanksgiving. Let us know if you share any of

971
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: these stories you heard at dinner and how your family

972
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Speaker 1: received it. Let us know if you amputate one of

973
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: your fingers, or if you kill someone underneath the ribs

974
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: or what else did we talk about? Tell you that,

975
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: but but but if you do, we.

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Speaker 3: Want to know about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we will see you guys next week with

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Speaker 1: some more news stories. Have a great holiday weekend. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 1: my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a

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Speaker 1: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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Speaker 1: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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Speaker 1: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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Speaker 1: media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based

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Speaker 1: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

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Speaker 1: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

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Speaker 1: that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed

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Speaker 1: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

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Speaker 1: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

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