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Speaker 4: Well, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to Girls Talk Boys Talk,
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Speaker 4: I'm Jessnavaras, joined alongside Aysian Morrison and Christie Scales here
Speaker 4: on this Wednesday afternoon here at the Beautiful Star in Frisco.
Speaker 4: Some rain, a little bit of a drizzle, some clouds,
Speaker 4: and it's actually feeling a little bit like fall over
Speaker 4: here in Frisco.
Speaker 3: So dare I say? Dare I say? It?
Speaker 4: Pumpkin season officially, So I hope everybody gets a celebratory
Speaker 4: pumpkin spice latte because it feels a little more like
Speaker 4: fallout side. But as far as all things, els Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Cowboys had a walk through practice today and we got
Speaker 4: the injury report, so I wanted to start off with
Speaker 4: that because I know there's some panic going on on
Speaker 4: social media. So here we are to alleviate the panic
Speaker 4: for you guys. Starting with wide receiver Brandon Cooks. He
Speaker 4: did not participate today with the knee injury, Tyler Smith
Speaker 4: hamstring injury, also did not participate. Donovan Wilson still dealing
Speaker 4: with that cath injury, also not participating, and Tyron Smith
Speaker 4: inkle was a full go again. It is important to
Speaker 4: note that it was a walk through today once again,
Speaker 4: just wanted to remind.
Speaker 3: You of that.
Speaker 4: And Christy, we just heard from Mike McCarthy in a
Speaker 4: press conference today that talked a little bit about it.
Speaker 4: What was your biggest takeaways from what he said about
Speaker 4: all of these guys as far as injuries and possible returns.
Speaker 5: That they're hopeful that Donovan Wilson may actually get some
Speaker 5: in practice work tomorrow when they have a real practice
Speaker 5: and not just a walkthrough or as McCarthy called it,
Speaker 5: a jog through this afternoon, but as a walk through.
Speaker 5: So I think that's promising. But that he and Tyler
Speaker 5: Smith today just on this. I'd work in resistance cords
Speaker 5: with the training staff, but I saw that as a
Speaker 5: positive that Donno maybe getting closer to getting.
Speaker 6: Back, and then also to a couple other things.
Speaker 7: I took from the press conference was how well Micha
Speaker 7: McCarthy spoke of Marque's bell and a Vidoga. And so
Speaker 7: when you start looking at the injuries that we're talking about,
Speaker 7: you say to yourself, Yeah, I think right now, given
Speaker 7: that the way those two gentlemen played that you could
Speaker 7: expect that maybe they're comfortable with them moving forward. If
Speaker 7: these guys are not ready to go, if they're especially
Speaker 7: with hamstrings, we've talked about it, they can be lingering.
Speaker 7: So why rush it if you've seen good performance from
Speaker 7: those guys already?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it sounds like Tyler Smith that it may
Speaker 5: take a little more time because there was no promise
Speaker 5: that he's taken full part tomorrow.
Speaker 8: He said he's a little behind.
Speaker 4: He said that Donno had kind of the lead, if
Speaker 4: you will, and who's closer to getting back. And it's
Speaker 4: just so interesting too because with Tyler Smith still being
Speaker 4: a bit of a question mark, and then Chumidoga, we
Speaker 4: don't do we know what happened to him in the game.
Speaker 5: Christie Reeve Adoga just got poked in the eye. He
Speaker 5: missed a couple of plays. He went back in. But
Speaker 5: then the next series is when they went with the
Speaker 5: younger guys. That was in the fourth quarter when they
Speaker 5: turned it over to the backup, so TJ. Bass went
Speaker 5: back in and then you had that's when awesome. Richards
Speaker 5: replaced Tyrone Smith at left tackle.
Speaker 4: Awesome, awesome, And what I wanted to mention about that, Ayusa,
Speaker 4: I'm going to defer to you for this one after
Speaker 4: you went back and you've watched this game, I'm assuming
Speaker 4: multiple times from.
Speaker 3: This point for your film study.
Speaker 4: What have you noticed from Chumaydoga and how he's playing
Speaker 4: in this position, given if he has to play again
Speaker 4: this weekend, what are some of the things that you know.
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy mentioned he can get even better with a
Speaker 4: full week of practice. What are some of those things
Speaker 4: that you noticed that he can improve on? But also
Speaker 4: some things he did well well?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, one thing that worried me about Tuma at
Speaker 7: left tackle from training camp, which is just the footwork
Speaker 7: and when you get into a guard that minimizes some
Speaker 7: of that. You're in a phone booth, it's smaller, it's
Speaker 7: a smaller workspace.
Speaker 6: But I thought he handled power really well.
Speaker 7: There were some slippers at certain points in time, but
Speaker 7: I thought he held his own pretty well. And also
Speaker 7: too in the run game, he did some good things
Speaker 7: get into the second level.
Speaker 6: Also pin it and pull in.
Speaker 7: If you look at that big run by TP, the
Speaker 7: twenty five yarder, he pulls around and he seals off
Speaker 7: the gentleman's so he can make that cut. And so
Speaker 7: I just saw some good things with his movement. And yeah,
Speaker 7: like I said, encourage and play and I think it's
Speaker 7: more than enough to get you through because that interior
Speaker 7: that you just saw is one of the best you're
Speaker 7: going to see.
Speaker 6: This interior also is one of the best you're going
Speaker 6: to see. So he getting a lot of practice. But
Speaker 6: he getting a lot of practice, you understand.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, speaking of one of the best
Speaker 4: war we're gonna see, I used his film study never disappoints.
Speaker 4: You'd love to see it. What else I wanted to mention?
Speaker 4: Something else I want to mention rather is Brandon Cooks right?
Speaker 4: And when you saw his name pop up on the
Speaker 4: practice report, a little bit of panic kind of surges
Speaker 4: through your body because it is so early in all
Speaker 4: of that. Micha McCarthy talking about it a little bit
Speaker 4: more in the press conference, he said it did.
Speaker 3: Happen during the game.
Speaker 4: Now, what was interesting is, again you have this constant
Speaker 4: rotation of receivers in this room between veteran and younger
Speaker 4: guys that can come in and kind of alleviate. And
Speaker 4: we've talked about this before. It it extends a long
Speaker 4: longevi to give everybody's season when you're able to do that.
Speaker 4: What I wanted to ask you guys both is there
Speaker 4: was no indication really that Brandon Cooks was dealing with
Speaker 4: anything from what we saw.
Speaker 5: He came over to the sideline and he was talking
Speaker 5: with the athletic trainers, but he never sat on the
Speaker 5: bench and was intended to buy the athletic trainers or
Speaker 5: the team physicians and never went into the blue tint.
Speaker 5: I think that he went back in the game, but
Speaker 5: remember this was like later in the second half, and
Speaker 5: so honestly, a lot of the guys weren't going back
Speaker 5: in because if you recall it, with a forty to
Speaker 5: nothing lead, the end of that game looked like a
Speaker 5: preseason game where it was the young guys out there
Speaker 5: getting the reps as much as it.
Speaker 4: And this is why we love Christy because again on
Speaker 4: the broadcast version, but you can't really see all those things,
Speaker 4: and so I'm so glad you bring that up, Ayisha.
Speaker 4: What I wanted to ask you was, you know we
Speaker 4: you pointed it out that Mark Lane tweeted this, and
Speaker 4: Mark Lane I messaged him to get his title correct
Speaker 4: on here.
Speaker 3: I don't want to mess it up.
Speaker 4: Mark worked with the Texans Wire in USA today covering
Speaker 4: the Texans. He had tweeted out that Brandon Cooks is
Speaker 4: a guy that would take some better in days off
Speaker 4: when he was with the Texans. Again, you're talking about
Speaker 4: a guy that you you forget how seasoned he.
Speaker 3: Is when it comes to his time in the NFL.
Speaker 5: Right, and so let's take the temperature tomorrow after a
Speaker 5: full practice. Yes, Brandon Cooks will still be on the
Speaker 5: report tomorrow. If he's a d n P did not practice,
Speaker 5: then then okay, let's let's let's start to work.
Speaker 3: Turn up the panicle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh huh, Well for for for a again, if
Speaker 5: he's limited or you know, if it's a d n P,
Speaker 5: I'll be worried. If it's limited, I'll feel much better
Speaker 5: going into Sunday.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that's why I wanted to kick off this
Speaker 4: first block talking about this because again, bottom line, no
Speaker 4: need to panic just yet and again.
Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks is a guy that all of these players.
Speaker 4: And coaches alike have praised NonStop of how he takes
Speaker 4: care of his body exactly. So if anybody knows his
Speaker 4: body well enough to understand when he should, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of take a step back, or if something's sore,
Speaker 4: kind of nagging him, it's Brandon Cooks. Brandon Cooks does
Speaker 4: nothing but preach of how to take care of your
Speaker 4: body to these young guys. There's a reason he's still
Speaker 4: playing at the level he played ten years in. There's
Speaker 4: a reason he's so fast ten years in. It's because
Speaker 4: he takes care of his body NonStop. Something we've just
Speaker 4: heard echoed over and over from really everybody. Cavante Turpin,
Speaker 4: Michael Gallup, Jalen Tolbert, I mean, Jalen Brooks. All of
Speaker 4: these guys will tell you NonStop, first thing you asked
Speaker 4: them about Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 3: Oh man, he tells me how to take care of
Speaker 3: my body, tells me how to eat right. I'm not
Speaker 3: worried about it yet.
Speaker 8: Well, it's selfishly.
Speaker 5: I want to see him go against Sauce Gardner, who
Speaker 5: was off a defensive rookie of the year last year
Speaker 5: the outstanding Jets cornerback, And it was Troy Aikman that
Speaker 5: pointed out Monday Night Football that the Jets, the way
Speaker 5: they usually play, they play sides. You know, they don't
Speaker 5: take their top guy and necessarily have them follow the
Speaker 5: top receiver around. So if the Jets continue to do that,
Speaker 5: then that means we'll get to see Sauce Gardner go
Speaker 5: against everybody, against Sad, against Brandon, against Gallops.
Speaker 8: So that's going to be fun to watch.
Speaker 4: And we're going to get into more of those key
Speaker 4: matchups as this podcast continues on as we get later
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Speaker 4: Jets defense. I'm looking at their practice report right now
Speaker 4: and there's no defensive player on there for today. For
Speaker 4: what they reported, you have two O line guys and
Speaker 4: then you have Reese Hall, who who you were just
Speaker 4: gonna talk about, Christy. They're in the running back situation.
Speaker 4: All limited so again, nothing really on the Jet side
Speaker 4: of things to look at as far as injuries get.
Speaker 4: But I'm not sure if they had an actual practice,
Speaker 4: oh walk through, they had to walk.
Speaker 8: Through short week for them coming off a Monday night game.
Speaker 3: There you go. So let's get into it, because again,
Speaker 3: the talk of this.
Speaker 4: Jets team was obviously the situation with Aaron Rodgers going
Speaker 4: down officially out for the rest of the season. However,
Speaker 4: the other conversation was how they rallied to come back.
Speaker 4: They really played until the end of that game to
Speaker 4: win in overtime against the Bills as well. So let's
Speaker 4: get into it on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 4: because I think that's where a lot of conversation should
Speaker 4: go towards.
Speaker 3: First, we'll switch side.
Speaker 4: It's because we know kind of what the Cowboys defense
Speaker 4: can do and it is capable of. But let's start
Speaker 4: with the Jets defense against the Cowboys offense. Aisha our
Speaker 4: film study, gal is, what are some of the key
Speaker 4: matchups Keith things, anything really that we can kick off
Speaker 4: this conversation with that you notice right off the.
Speaker 6: Bat, Well, there's similarities.
Speaker 7: I think Mike McCarthy actually said it today in his
Speaker 7: press conference he said, this defensive line depth is one
Speaker 7: of the best we'll see, and that's one of the
Speaker 7: things that that's one of the things that the Cowboys
Speaker 7: have at their disposal, because you even saw in this
Speaker 7: past game that they put their second string defensive line
Speaker 7: out there and they were dominant. Also, so the Jets
Speaker 7: also have that luxury. They have obviously they have Quentin Williams,
Speaker 7: John Franklin Myers, Lord Quin Jefferson, will McDonald, who's a
Speaker 7: guy that I was very high on come out of
Speaker 7: the draft, and so they can give you give you
Speaker 7: defensive fronts and ways. But one of the biggest things
Speaker 7: I noticed was they're spacing as a defense, and I
Speaker 7: think that it really dictates a lot of what they're
Speaker 7: able to do. They line their defensive linemen will They
Speaker 7: line their defensive ends out so wide, and that's because
Speaker 7: they're trying to funnel you or basically force you to
Speaker 7: run the ball inside because that is their strength, right,
Speaker 7: So I think the Cowboys are going to have opportunities
Speaker 7: to run at the edges to take advantage of their
Speaker 7: spacing because they space, They kind of spread things out
Speaker 7: so their playmakers can make plays and they play a
Speaker 7: lot of zone too, which is.
Speaker 6: Something I noticed.
Speaker 7: They're they're not exotic like Wink where they're doing a lot.
Speaker 6: Of different fronts. They're trying to disguise them.
Speaker 8: Don't think that's they don't have to be.
Speaker 6: That's a great point by Christy.
Speaker 7: Yes, they don't have to be this throwing all these
Speaker 7: different things at you. One thing I will say is
Speaker 7: that the Cowboys offensive line is going to have to
Speaker 7: be ready to deal with the blitzing because when they blitz,
Speaker 7: they are successful because they have the opportunity to rush
Speaker 7: for and still get pressure. So I think there will
Speaker 7: be opportunities there in the secondary. Dek is very good
Speaker 7: against zone and we'll see how things fare. But those
Speaker 7: are just some of the things I noticed right away
Speaker 7: looking at them. And they also tackle very well too,
Speaker 7: so you're gonna have to try to get Yack opportunities
Speaker 7: out there as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that, Christy. I want to defer to
Speaker 4: you on this one. I used to just talking about
Speaker 4: the Jets secondary. Jordan Whitehead is a guy that I
Speaker 4: know you wanted to talk about specifically in this segment,
Speaker 4: and you know the three interceptions that he had just
Speaker 4: absolutely bullying Josh Allen during that Monday Night game. Let's
Speaker 4: talk about that, because you have a little interesting nugget.
Speaker 3: As you do every time I come on this podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm just amazed how Christy's brain works. What is your
Speaker 4: nugget for the day on Jordan Whitehead and what we.
Speaker 8: Should know about?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think a lot of folks heard are
Speaker 5: read on social media, and then it was picked up
Speaker 5: in national media about his three interceptions that he hit
Speaker 5: the season long incentive, a bonus if he had three
Speaker 5: interceptions this year. In his contract, there was a clause
Speaker 5: where he would make two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: Didn't take him the season, he did it on Monday Night. Okay,
Speaker 5: so two hundred and fifty thousand dollars extra congratulations toward
Speaker 5: and that's awesome. But I wanted to talk about some
Speaker 5: of the Cowboys who also have incentives in their contracts. So,
Speaker 5: for example, Stefan Gilmour, who had an interception for the
Speaker 5: Cowboys on in Monday Nights when was Stefan If he
Speaker 5: makes first team All NFL, he gets a one million
Speaker 5: dollar bonus that's in his contract. If he plays seventy
Speaker 5: percent of defensive snaps two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: If he hits eighty percent of defensive snaps, that's another
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So that'd be five
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars. If he plays ninety percent of defensive snaps,
Speaker 5: this is over the course of the whole season, five
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars added to the two fifty. The two fifty,
Speaker 5: so one million dollars. So, for example, Dak Prescott has one.
Speaker 5: If he plays fifty percent of offensive snaps and the
Speaker 5: Cowboys get a Super Bowl win, he gets a million
Speaker 5: dollar bonus. Malik Hooker with his new contract, if he
Speaker 5: has five interceptions this season and the Cowboys make the playoffs,
Speaker 5: he gets an extra five hundred thousand dollars. If he
Speaker 5: plays in eighty five percent of defensive snaps and the
Speaker 5: Cowboys make this makes the playoff, they make the playoffs
Speaker 5: sets an extra half million dollars.
Speaker 8: But there's one thing. There aren't too many players.
Speaker 5: This is this year we have a lot more incentive
Speaker 5: Leyden contracts than we've had in previous years. That's because
Speaker 5: when you're bringing in guys like Stefan Gilmour, when you're
Speaker 5: re signing a veteran like Malik Hooker, or when you
Speaker 5: have Tyrone Smith restructuring his contract. Tyrone took basically gave
Speaker 5: back some money to in restructuring. But if he plays
Speaker 5: fifty percent, sixty percent, seventy percent of snaps, he'll get
Speaker 5: million dollars in incentives for playing time. But here's the
Speaker 5: important thing to know about. There are two kinds of
Speaker 5: bonuses likely to be earned and not likely to be earned.
Speaker 5: If it's a likely to be earned incentive, like guys
Speaker 5: have per game active bonuses, you assume that guys are
Speaker 5: going to be able to play that money counts against
Speaker 5: your salary cap this year, but these less likely are
Speaker 5: not likely to be earned, like Malik getting five interceptions
Speaker 5: that would count against next year's cap. Interesting, but it's
Speaker 5: something that Jerry Jones.
Speaker 8: Would love to pay. He would love to.
Speaker 5: Pay Dak Prescott a million dollar bonus because it means
Speaker 5: we've won the Super Bowl and Dak has played at
Speaker 5: least fifty percent of snaps.
Speaker 8: So you know, it's very common to have per game
Speaker 8: active deal.
Speaker 5: So for example, Leyton vander Esh, his per game active
Speaker 5: bonus is twenty nine the thousand dollars four hundred twenty nine,
Speaker 5: four hundred and eleven dollars, So he was active on
Speaker 5: in the first game. He got that, but that's accounted
Speaker 5: for in the salary cap. But Jordan Lewis, who also
Speaker 5: gets in his contract twenty nine, four hundred and eleven
Speaker 5: dollars if he's active in a game, well, guess what.
Speaker 5: He wasn't active in that game last Sunday, Week one
Speaker 5: because of his injury, and so come in as he's
Speaker 5: working back from the foot injury, so he doesn't get that.
Speaker 6: So insane.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you have you have to play.
Speaker 5: So like for example, let me, let me pick a
Speaker 5: player and then I'm going to have you guys play.
Speaker 8: I'm going to have you I'm going to have you play.
Speaker 7: He's just fac I'm a little shook, like, no, why
Speaker 7: are they money like that?
Speaker 4: The complications, I guess not complications that is not a
Speaker 4: great word for it, but the complexities that go into
Speaker 4: these contracts.
Speaker 3: That's a great point.
Speaker 5: Now let's let's let's use a veteran because we're talking
Speaker 5: about guys who are in the league and you bring
Speaker 5: them in in free agency and so these aren't necessarily
Speaker 5: part of you know, part of a standard rookie contract.
Speaker 5: They're not Dante Fowler. Okay, Dante Fowler, who is part
Speaker 5: of the defensive line rotation.
Speaker 8: And if you, if you were Dante's.
Speaker 5: Of agent, Aisha, what would you look for in terms
Speaker 5: of number of sacks? He has a certain number that
Speaker 5: if he reaches it this year, he's going to get
Speaker 5: five hundred thousand dollars if he reaches this number and
Speaker 5: the Cowboys make the playoffs.
Speaker 8: How many sacks?
Speaker 6: I can't remember how many last year, but I would
Speaker 6: say seven or eight.
Speaker 5: Seven or eight, Okay, I think that's that's that's all right.
Speaker 5: You think that's fair because because Jess, you are Jerry.
Speaker 8: And Stephen Jones all season. You're Jerry and Stephen Jones.
Speaker 5: Last year he had six sacks, but he only played
Speaker 5: thirty percent defensive snaps.
Speaker 8: So you so well are are yousu? Once eight?
Speaker 5: You are Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones and you're managing
Speaker 5: the salary caps?
Speaker 6: So like would you have?
Speaker 4: I would be panicking if that was my job, I'd
Speaker 4: have panic attacks non stop. I'm gonna say, I'm MNSA
Speaker 4: go seven. I think that's fair.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now I'm gonna go eat it.
Speaker 8: You guys nailed it.
Speaker 5: You are the perfect agent, Ayasha, and you are the
Speaker 5: perfect person salary cap manager there, jess So. Dante Fowler
Speaker 5: eight sacks and a playoff Berth half a million dollars,
Speaker 5: Dante Fowler ten sacks if he goes even more ten
Speaker 5: sacks and to playoff Berth one million dollars and.
Speaker 7: The way he looked yet last week, he's flying off
Speaker 7: that line of scraund.
Speaker 5: Hey, if they play the Giants line every week, Jerry's
Speaker 5: gonna pay a bunch of money.
Speaker 3: Real quick too. Something. Look, and I'm sure that's money
Speaker 3: that he doesn't mind.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: That means they're winning, they're playing well. Something I wanted
Speaker 4: to make sure to mention Christy, thank you.
Speaker 3: That was I love learning from you. I feel like
Speaker 3: we learned something every Sorry we.
Speaker 5: Kind of went down in the but the important thing
Speaker 5: is that you have to account.
Speaker 8: You have to budget for these things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you hope that they happen, but it means
Speaker 5: that you pay the piper next year.
Speaker 3: That makes sense real quick.
Speaker 4: I want to go back to this Jets defense because
Speaker 4: I was writing some notes something that I noticed and
Speaker 4: I went back and I watched today because I was
Speaker 4: watching the game, and then I was writing notes as
Speaker 4: I was watching the game, and then Aaron Rodgers everything
Speaker 4: happened there and I kind of was like, wait, am
Speaker 4: I actually seeing things as they are?
Speaker 5: Am?
Speaker 4: I kind of still shell shocked from that happening when
Speaker 4: rewatch some stuff today, Aisha, I'm gonna go back to
Speaker 4: you for this.
Speaker 6: Is it just me?
Speaker 3: Or did the Jets defense.
Speaker 4: Struggle with completing tackles? And I only say this because
Speaker 4: dan Quinn had pointed it out about his goal for
Speaker 4: this last game Sunday's game against the Giants, was that
Speaker 4: he really wanted the guys to complete the tackles and
Speaker 4: he said they only missed two tackles during the game
Speaker 4: last week, which is a good number to start on.
Speaker 4: Of course, I'm talking about the Cowboys defense. Got me
Speaker 4: thinking about the Jets defense because this is a highly
Speaker 4: ranked defense that we're talking about here. Is that something
Speaker 4: you noticed as well, is that they kind of struggle
Speaker 4: with completing tackles all the way through when you went
Speaker 4: back and watched the film.
Speaker 7: I actually think that they're a pretty pretty good tackling team.
Speaker 6: I feel like they did have some sure tackles. But
Speaker 6: I will say again, with.
Speaker 7: The like you talked about, it is like they're not
Speaker 7: playing man a lot.
Speaker 6: They're not playing man a lot.
Speaker 7: They're not so their secondary if you get those guys,
Speaker 7: you just got to make one guy missed with them,
Speaker 7: and there's gonna be space. That's how I look at it.
Speaker 6: And also too with their defensive line.
Speaker 7: You want to run these guys. You want to get
Speaker 7: them out of space. You're not gonna beat them with power.
Speaker 7: So to your point, I think that that's gonna happen
Speaker 7: on both sides of the ball. Like the Cowboys are
Speaker 7: gonna have to tackle well, but they also are gonna
Speaker 7: have to tackle well because I know the Cowboys will
Speaker 7: be looking to run that front seven and get them
Speaker 7: going sideline, the sideline.
Speaker 6: DG.
Speaker 4: Reid had eleven total tackles against the Bills last week.
Speaker 4: Quincy Willis ten.
Speaker 3: CJ.
Speaker 4: Moseley had seven. As far as sacks go, let's see,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pull this up right now. Thank Jefferson had
Speaker 4: two sacks, Jamiir Johnson had one, Elwoods had won. John
Speaker 4: Franklin Myers had one, and then I believe that accounts
Speaker 4: for all five there. So as far as what the
Speaker 4: Cowboys offensive line needs to do, ladies in order to
Speaker 4: continue to work on that pass protection. That's something that
Speaker 4: they've emphasized for weeks now is that they want to
Speaker 4: make sure that pass pro is short up. They want
Speaker 4: to make sure that Dak Prescott has time to release
Speaker 4: the ball, given he wants that release time to be
Speaker 4: quick as well. What does this Cowboys offensive line need
Speaker 4: to do, Christy, in order to really make sure that one,
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott is avoiding a five sack game, and two
Speaker 4: to ensure that, you know, guys like to miridoga, there's
Speaker 4: not a drop off really on any side of the
Speaker 4: line that they're going to be working against you.
Speaker 5: Well, an interesting note was in Week one that Dak
Speaker 5: had the most time to pass in the of any
Speaker 5: NFL quarterback two point one to one seconds. That's an
Speaker 5: eternity in the NFL, and it's a tribute to the
Speaker 5: Cowboys offensive line and also throw in the backs and
Speaker 5: the tight ends who helped with pass protection as well.
Speaker 8: So I think that's important.
Speaker 5: With the Tuma Doga, I think that it's interesting that
Speaker 5: he knows what it's like to go against these Jets
Speaker 5: defensive linemen because he used to do it every day
Speaker 5: in practice. He is a Jets draft pick now. He
Speaker 5: spent last year in Atlanta and his two starts were
Speaker 5: at guard. He played two games at guard, but he
Speaker 5: actually came in as a as a tackle out of
Speaker 5: usc And. In fact, when the Jets drafted him in
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, they made a trade with the Viking so
Speaker 5: that they could move up a spot and make sure
Speaker 5: that they got a doga in round three. And his
Speaker 5: rookie year, he actually started eight times at right tackle
Speaker 5: for the Jets, so he knows what it's like to
Speaker 5: go against Quinn and Williams. And by the way, Quentin
Speaker 5: Jefferson got the two sacks. And I'm so glad you
Speaker 5: mentioned him, Jess, because he's overshadowed when you play next
Speaker 5: to Quinn Williams. But Quinn Williams, he may not be
Speaker 5: a name that's familiar to a lot of Cowboys fans
Speaker 5: who kind of focus on just the Cowboys in the NFC,
Speaker 5: But ninety four million dollar player, I mean he is
Speaker 5: one of he is. Regard he and Aaron Donald. I
Speaker 5: think you could a lot of people would say Quinn
Speaker 5: Williams is behind maybe only a couple people at tackle.
Speaker 8: Aaron Donald will be in one of them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you mentioned, you mentioned how the Cowboys got the
Speaker 7: ball out fast and just kind of how they ran things.
Speaker 7: I think it's I think it should be a similar
Speaker 7: not a completely similar game plan, but doing similar things
Speaker 7: in that way. But I will say that once I
Speaker 7: with the team that tackles as well as the Jets does,
Speaker 7: will do rather and have the defensive line that they have.
Speaker 7: When you look at the Bills game, there were plenty
Speaker 7: of times you mentioned the running backs and stuff and
Speaker 7: stuff like that. When you look at the Bill there
Speaker 7: was not a third option. It wasn't it wasn't an
Speaker 7: outlet guy there for the quarterback to just dump the
Speaker 7: ball off to. He was looking downfield this whole time
Speaker 7: with all that pressure coming. So with the Cowboys, we
Speaker 7: saw this past this pass game that there's a there's
Speaker 7: a someone in the flats, there's an intermediate part person,
Speaker 7: and then there's someone in there.
Speaker 6: There's someone on every level. There's a passing option on
Speaker 6: every level.
Speaker 7: And I think that's gonna be important because the Jets
Speaker 7: took advantage of that with the Bills, and that's why
Speaker 7: Josh Josh Allen struggled a lot. And like we talked
Speaker 7: about the quick game screens, tiring these guys out with
Speaker 7: getting them on the move as opposed to trying to
Speaker 7: play power with power because that typically doesn't work with
Speaker 7: this defensive line.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you brought that up too, because we can.
Speaker 4: Already hear the storylines just starting to uproar of Josh
Speaker 4: Allen and the interceptions and oh no, the Cowboys are
Speaker 4: playing the Jets this week. Automatically we know where that
Speaker 4: storyline is going to go without even having to say it.
Speaker 4: How Christy, I'm gonna we can bounce around on this
Speaker 4: based on what I saw and all three of us
Speaker 4: really have seen, how can the receivers continue to create
Speaker 4: the separation needed in order to avoid that? And is
Speaker 4: that something that you guys noticed both in this first
Speaker 4: game as far as separation that they were creating that
Speaker 4: maybe wasn't the case last season, and how they've shored
Speaker 4: that aspect up of the game to help Dak Prescott
Speaker 4: because we know it wasn't just a Dak Prescott issue.
Speaker 4: We know that we've talked about that. That's beating a
Speaker 4: dead horse. But as far as what the receivers have
Speaker 4: done to grow and really build over this offseason to
Speaker 4: help avoid that. What did you guys notice in this
Speaker 4: week one matchup and how that played a big factor?
Speaker 3: Well, everything given we're in a rain game, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 5: Everything was kind of toned down or some of the
Speaker 5: options were lesser off the table because of the rain situation.
Speaker 5: But in terms of like Ayisha says, with them playing zone,
Speaker 5: that means like you're not up in man press coverage,
Speaker 5: you know, like taking guys off, you know, like right
Speaker 5: at the line on the wide receivers trying to do
Speaker 5: that press coverage.
Speaker 8: The other thing is when.
Speaker 5: You're in a zone, that means you're playing back and
Speaker 5: you're seeing the quarterback. You're watching the quarterback as well
Speaker 5: as the guys who are coming into your area. And
Speaker 5: so a lot of times that I want to say
Speaker 5: it makes it easier for interceptions. But when you're playing man,
Speaker 5: your head's turned and you're not looking back towards the
Speaker 5: quarterback until the receiver turns or maybe puts his hands up,
Speaker 5: you know, like the ball is coming to him. And
Speaker 5: so it's a very different dynamic for a cornerback to be,
Speaker 5: you know, in man and in a zone.
Speaker 8: So I think you have to be real.
Speaker 5: You always have to be careful with the ball as
Speaker 5: a quarterback, but it's just different because in a zone,
Speaker 5: the defensive backs are watching you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, to answer your question, I do think it's going
Speaker 7: to be really contingent on the game plan and what
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy and Brian Schottenheimer is to do to beat
Speaker 7: their zone. Like we talked about, though, it's not super
Speaker 7: exotic because they they're depending on They bank on the
Speaker 7: fact that their front four is going to get home
Speaker 7: and make things easier for them. However, if there is
Speaker 7: a quarterback that has time back there, if there is
Speaker 7: a quarterback that is methodical I'll lie Dak Prescott, then
Speaker 7: I definitely do think that there will be opportunity there
Speaker 7: for them to take advantage of that zone.
Speaker 6: So it can be great, but it can be hurtful.
Speaker 7: If you do have a quarterback that understands it well,
Speaker 7: and if you're banking on your defensive line to make
Speaker 7: to get pressure and that maybe doesn't happen as quickly
Speaker 7: as maybe they're used to, there should be opportunities there
Speaker 7: for the Cowboys to take advantage.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, we saw a lot of man.
Speaker 7: Beaters in the first game because they the Giants did
Speaker 7: play a lot more men.
Speaker 6: I don't know why, but they did. They played a
Speaker 6: lot more man in what I expected.
Speaker 7: And so but I will say also to going back
Speaker 7: and looking at saus Gardner, I know you're excited to
Speaker 7: see the matchup.
Speaker 6: There's some similarities in what.
Speaker 7: I saw Stefan Diggs have some success against him against
Speaker 7: the Bills. Even if he wasn't getting the ball, he
Speaker 7: was open quite a bit of times.
Speaker 6: You know, still young player, he's still learning. Like we've
Speaker 6: seen with Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 7: There might be some opportunities for Ceedee Lamb to take
Speaker 7: advantage of.
Speaker 6: That young, younger corner.
Speaker 7: But also also there is there's oh, Barnicles, I lost
Speaker 7: my train of thought.
Speaker 6: But yeah, that's that's something that I'm looking for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing kind of thought.
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Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys defense the talk of the town, the talk
Speaker 4: of the NFL right now, and really excited to see
Speaker 4: this defense play in not a rain game. I'm excited
Speaker 4: for the whole team, but specifically what this defense can
Speaker 4: do when they're going against a full force Jets offense,
Speaker 4: even with Zach Wilson in the pocket. And we'll get
Speaker 4: into that and why this isn't a game that you
Speaker 4: can really let off the brakes right. It's all full
Speaker 4: steam ahead. There's no letting up, even if with Zack
Speaker 4: Wilson they're not senior in rogers. However, let's go into this, Aysha.
Speaker 4: We'll start with you when talking in terms of Zack Wilson,
Speaker 4: now that you went back and you watched a little
Speaker 4: bit more, what kind of threat does he pose to
Speaker 4: opposing defenses when he is playing, and given he's still learning,
Speaker 4: there's still a lot. But again, you just can't count
Speaker 4: anybody out in this league.
Speaker 3: There's a reason there.
Speaker 4: In the NFL, he's now their guy, right, But what
Speaker 4: are some things that you saw that he could consider
Speaker 4: a strength in his game?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 6: He I mean, he gonna run.
Speaker 7: Whether you look at that as a good thing or
Speaker 7: a bad thing.
Speaker 6: He's going to run.
Speaker 7: He's probably going to have to, honestly, because you know
Speaker 7: their tackle position. You just said that there were two
Speaker 7: tackles on the injury report. That is where they're indeed
Speaker 7: the weakest. First of all, I would laugh, and also
Speaker 7: too because Conor McGovern playing center for them is hilarious.
Speaker 7: Why do people keep taking the people that we have
Speaker 7: as we had his guards and making them centers.
Speaker 6: That's funny to me.
Speaker 5: Huh, different guy, Connor mcgoverny.
Speaker 8: I believe there are two Connor McGovern. So we'll double
Speaker 8: check on that.
Speaker 7: Wait what it's a totally different here. Oh well, because
Speaker 7: I was looking at.
Speaker 6: Those there are two.
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you, thank you Christy, because I was like,
Speaker 7: how did they take another center of the Cowboys and
Speaker 7: make another guard and making my bad anyway, But I
Speaker 7: was looking at the Yeah, their tackle position is where
Speaker 7: they've been attacked like heavily and they struggle there. So
Speaker 7: I'm I'm looking at but also too. As far as
Speaker 7: Zach Wilson, Yeah, he's gonna run the ball. He's gonna
Speaker 7: probably have opportunities to run the ball. I don't know
Speaker 7: if they design anything for him, but he's they might be, yeah,
Speaker 7: because they they're If I'm looking at the Cowboys last week.
Speaker 7: We talked about it yesterday, why would you try to
Speaker 7: pass if you had to, like, unless you absolutely have to.
Speaker 7: Their teams are going to try to go heavy on
Speaker 7: their run, whether it's r PO run action, whatever.
Speaker 6: The case may be. Try to get some passing out
Speaker 6: of that.
Speaker 7: But I expect for them to come out here with Breeshall,
Speaker 7: who I know you're so excited to talk about and
Speaker 7: Dalvin Cook and really try to take it to the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: As far as running the ball, with sprinkling in some
Speaker 7: movement from Zach Wilson.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the I think the movement.
Speaker 5: My guess would be it would be by design and
Speaker 5: I don't mean running like quarterback draws or you know,
Speaker 5: designing quarterback run plays, but have him on the move
Speaker 5: and in terms of like rolling the pocket and things
Speaker 5: like that, you know, and get getting them to move
Speaker 5: so you pull up.
Speaker 8: Definitely not the same.
Speaker 6: This is definitely not the same Conn.
Speaker 5: It's it's very it's very confusing because they came in
Speaker 5: I think at the same time they did. They both
Speaker 5: play offensive line and so it's very confusing. But but
Speaker 5: our our Connor, you know, uh from a Penn state
Speaker 5: and uh anyway, different guy anyway, Okay, so sorry, I'm
Speaker 5: not laughing.
Speaker 3: I'm laughing at like, I don't know what I was expecting.
Speaker 3: You should have showed me.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: With the Boogie Knight's mustache there, it was a great Oneah.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Carter McGovern for the mustache.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But Breece Hall, I'm so glad that you guys mentioned
Speaker 5: him because he was actually last year the second round
Speaker 5: pick of the New York Jets, but he was the
Speaker 5: first overall running back taken in the draft last year,
Speaker 5: and unfortunately his year was cut short. He only played
Speaker 5: in seven games because he had the knee injury of
Speaker 5: the torn ACL in Week seven. But guy out of
Speaker 5: Iowa State, And just to put Breis Hall in perspective,
Speaker 5: you saw him rip that eighty three yard run on
Speaker 5: his second carry of the game Monday Night, and his
Speaker 5: first run was twenty six yards, So he ended up
Speaker 5: averaging over twelve and a half yards per carry on
Speaker 5: Monday Night and his first game back since the ACL injury,
Speaker 5: he only played thirty percent of the snaps on Monday Night.
Speaker 5: But here's this is to put it in perspective, He's
Speaker 5: only played eight NFL games in his career. He's averaging
Speaker 5: over seven and a half yards every time he touches
Speaker 5: the ball. Does that seem high? Yeah, it's because it is.
Speaker 5: It's the most in NFL history, higher through eight games played,
Speaker 5: Higher than Adrian Peterson, higher than Bo Jackson, higher than
Speaker 5: herschel Walker, higher.
Speaker 8: Than Billy Simms.
Speaker 5: I mean, so this guy is he's just tearing up
Speaker 5: the league, you know, with just eight games played. But
Speaker 5: and he also can catch the ball out of the backfield,
Speaker 5: So in terms of scrimmage yards about one hundred yards
Speaker 5: a game. So I mean, he's just he's amazing and
Speaker 5: and if you don't hand it to him, you hand
Speaker 5: it to Dalvin Cook. Although Dalvin actually did better catching
Speaker 5: the ball Monday night. He had he was three for three,
Speaker 5: targeted three times and caught all three.
Speaker 8: So wow, what a one to.
Speaker 5: Two punch there at running back and also being able
Speaker 5: to get it to him out in the flat if
Speaker 5: you're getting a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Something I wanted to mention is I'm looking at
Speaker 4: these stats and they didn't have any rushing touchdowns during
Speaker 4: this game the Jets. They only had one receiving touchdowns.
Speaker 8: Oh but one of the great ones of the season.
Speaker 4: However, However, something I didn't realize is Greg Zurloin, as
Speaker 4: you guys may or may not remember, is their kicker
Speaker 4: that I was gonna says. Not to be mistaken with
Speaker 4: Greg the leg same guy, you're good.
Speaker 3: He put ten points on the.
Speaker 4: Board for the Jets, three field goals, one extra point
Speaker 4: to me when I'm looking at this game, and given look,
Speaker 4: the pieces were falling together for this team after the
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers injury. We know you're not going to see
Speaker 4: the same kind of team. They have a whole week
Speaker 4: to prepare for this game, given it's a travel game
Speaker 4: for them coming.
Speaker 3: To a T and T stadium.
Speaker 4: To me, the way special teams has been playing for
Speaker 4: the Cowboys and the way that they have shifted the
Speaker 4: converse become an important aspect of You don't really talk
Speaker 4: about special teams a lot, right unless something big.
Speaker 8: Happens, unless it's our podcast, unless say.
Speaker 4: That we appreciate special teams here on Girls Stock Boys Talk.
Speaker 4: But something that I want to make mention of is
Speaker 4: it will be very interesting to see how.
Speaker 3: Wanie Thomas, C. J.
Speaker 4: Goodwin, Noah Igbinoghany, that dynamic threat can really attack somebody
Speaker 4: like Greg Zurloin who has worked under John Fossil before,
Speaker 4: and how John Fossil knows his mechanics of kicking because Christy,
Speaker 4: like you talked about, there's so many mechanics and timing
Speaker 4: things that go into being a good kicker. Greg's aerline
Speaker 4: working under John Fossil. Maybe there's a little history there
Speaker 4: that you go back and you're like, I remember he
Speaker 4: could do.
Speaker 3: This and he was prone to doing this.
Speaker 4: To where your special teams can kind of attack that
Speaker 4: a little bit. I'm interested to see that aspect of
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 3: When I look at I think you're right.
Speaker 5: And you mentioned having two offensive linemen on the injury
Speaker 5: report and now they'll probably play, you know, is it
Speaker 5: to start.
Speaker 8: Tackles And it was also a walk through and it
Speaker 8: was a walkthrough.
Speaker 5: But anytime you have like an injury situation along the
Speaker 5: offensive line, remember those guys block for field goals and
Speaker 5: extra points, so there could be some vulnerabilities along the
Speaker 5: offensive line there. But you know, yesterday in terms of
Speaker 5: special teams, we were talking about Xavier Gibson from Dallas
Speaker 5: Woodrow Wilson High School and from Steven F.
Speaker 8: Austin.
Speaker 5: They're in Acadochus in East Texas. But he's the one
Speaker 5: that had the punt return touchdown in overtime, only the
Speaker 5: third time in NFL history for a punt return touchdown
Speaker 5: in overtime. But he was actually named AFC Special Teams
Speaker 5: Player of the Week today, so congratulations to him. But
Speaker 5: I do want to talk to Brian Anger, the Cowboys punter,
Speaker 5: either today or tomorrow in the locker room or hopefully pregame.
Speaker 5: If I don't get to talk to him, during the week,
Speaker 5: but you know you're going to do directional punting anyway,
Speaker 5: but be interesting to see the game plan on that.
Speaker 8: The good news is with it.
Speaker 5: Being a home game and you know, a controlled environment,
Speaker 5: and Brandon Aubrey just banged every kickoff through the back
Speaker 5: of the end zone anyway, so you can you can
Speaker 5: take those guys out of the game on kickoff return
Speaker 5: by just putting it through the back of the end zone.
Speaker 8: But punts could be very fun on Sunday.
Speaker 3: On both sides of the book, exactly, on both sides.
Speaker 4: I just did a story on Cavanti Turpin this morning
Speaker 4: which had me going back to the videos of the
Speaker 4: two homers that he had is during the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: two preseason against the Chargersgery.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was out.
Speaker 4: It so fun and I just got excited again. And
Speaker 4: so we talked about him a lot in here. But Ayisha,
Speaker 4: what is something about special teams offense in general? Cowboys defense?
Speaker 4: One more thing you want to mention. Don't give them
Speaker 4: something too good though, because keep on, we have a
Speaker 4: full day tomorrow to talk about more key matchups. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but give them something like, let's tease this audience a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 7: Something good I'm really thinking.
Speaker 6: I was looking at y'all don't laugh. First of all,
Speaker 6: the jez like drafting from Iowa State.
Speaker 7: I just noticed that because they have Will McDonald from
Speaker 7: Iowa State, Allan Lazard was from well, they ain't drafting,
Speaker 7: but they brought him in. He's from Io State. They
Speaker 7: got a lot of Iowa State humans up there. Anyway,
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 6: Just looking at how tall Lazard.
Speaker 3: Is six ' five.
Speaker 6: I wonder if Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 7: Takes him on or how they decide to do that
Speaker 7: because his height.
Speaker 6: I think, who's how tall is Stepan Let's.
Speaker 8: Let me see on that.
Speaker 7: I just feel like that's a big and Alan Lazard
Speaker 7: is their deep threat. He's one of their deep threats.
Speaker 7: And so I'm trying to figure out you don't feel like.
Speaker 5: That, Well, it's just that Garrett Wilson is who was
Speaker 5: AFC offensive who was NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year
Speaker 5: last year and had that amazing two yard touchdown catch
Speaker 5: on Monday Night.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's he's outstanding. He's arguably the best receiver
Speaker 8: in the league.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 8: If they if they do decide to trail someone, you.
Speaker 7: Would think it will be him. But I was I
Speaker 7: don't wondering what the hype I was with the height difference.
Speaker 7: It matters with six or five sixty five. I mean
Speaker 7: you're thinking about length, You're thinking about like those things,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, you know, maybe Trayvon is more suited
Speaker 7: for that, and then maybe you put a Gilmore.
Speaker 8: So Gilmore is six foot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a huge height difference.
Speaker 8: But Trayvon six to one.
Speaker 5: But he's still he's long's.
Speaker 7: He's so I was just sorry, That's just something I
Speaker 7: was looking at to see.
Speaker 5: But you know, there's something that we can you know,
Speaker 5: kind of work on this week and see if we
Speaker 5: can find out.
Speaker 4: Well. The good news is is that we're heading to
Speaker 4: the locker room literally right now. Uh So we're going
Speaker 4: to wrap things up a little bit early today just
Speaker 4: because again we want to make sure that we're getting
Speaker 4: you guys really good insight from the locker room talking
Speaker 4: to some players about some key matchups that I know
Speaker 4: we still have notes on here.
Speaker 3: So we'll be back here, same time.
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