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Speaker 1: Full disclosure. By thirty third year in the NFL, first

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Speaker 3: It's like the best possible networking opportunity you can ever find.

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Speaker 4: And there's players like that in this draft class.

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Speaker 1: First choice, we have a Yeah, we're gonna have some

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Speaker 1: This is the draft was also my pick. This is like,

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Speaker 2: No, I like mckaye lemmon.

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Speaker 3: But he just finds a way to get open, is

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Speaker 4: Not the biggest guy, but.

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Speaker 3: So I'd love a player like mckaye Lemon on our team.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's number forty. You didn't take a wide receiver

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Speaker 1: Talk about how the league has changed. It's become ten

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Speaker 4: I think that'd be great.

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Speaker 3: It's funny watching him because when you watch him, it's

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Speaker 1: Because Jeremiah Love is really set apart in the running

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, regardless of who it is, we need

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Speaker 3: to get more explosive in the running game. And Brett

440
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Speaker 3: Vich at his media earlier today was asked, what's one

441
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Speaker 3: area you're really trying to address this offseason, and he said,

442
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Speaker 3: we have to get more explosive at running back and

443
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Speaker 3: even mentioned we have maybe the best interior offensive line

444
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Speaker 3: in the NFL. We got to take advantage of that,

445
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Speaker 3: and we talked about it a handful of weeks ago.

446
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Speaker 3: A stat that I dug up during our extended break

447
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Speaker 3: in January was the fact that the Chiefs had the

448
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Speaker 3: fewest passing yards and play action in the NFL last season.

449
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Speaker 3: And think about all the pressure that puts on Mahomes

450
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Speaker 3: when he was healthy. Where your play action game is

451
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Speaker 3: not very effective because you're not breaking off explosive runs.

452
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Speaker 3: Not only are you not getting big plays in the

453
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Speaker 3: run game, the defenses don't have to respect it as

454
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Speaker 3: much and can really not worry about it when you

455
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Speaker 3: do play action. I really think if the Chiefs can

456
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Speaker 3: add a play action or more explosive element to the

457
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Speaker 3: running game next year, the offense will be so much

458
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Speaker 3: better because of the play action game and just the

459
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Speaker 3: ability to break off big runs from time to time.

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Speaker 3: So long winded way of saying that, love could make

461
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Speaker 3: a lot of sense. Maybe they address it in free agency.

462
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Speaker 3: There's gonna be some options. We'll see. There's not another

463
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Speaker 3: running back worthy of taking at number nine, but there

464
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Speaker 3: are some other good players that would go later in

465
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Speaker 3: the draft. So for the sake of this, I'll just

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Speaker 3: pick another guy. I would not take this player at nine.

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Speaker 3: The disclaimer is out there, but for the sake of this, another.

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Speaker 2: Player I want to be on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, another player I like is u.

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Speaker 1: Is.

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Speaker 3: How about Love's teammate Jadarian Price at Notre Dame. He's

472
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Speaker 3: one of those players where I think if he was

473
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Speaker 3: not pair but Jeremiah Love, I think we might know

474
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Speaker 3: a lot more about him because really good player at

475
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Speaker 3: Notre Dame that just happened to share the backfield with

476
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Speaker 3: the best player in the country at running back. He's

477
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Speaker 3: five to eleven two pounds, patient runner, a great contact balance,

478
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Speaker 3: also has return value you on special teams. So not

479
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Speaker 3: in round one, but jadari On Price at some point

480
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Speaker 3: in the draft could make some sense.

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Speaker 1: And at forty again it's I don't think there's gonna

482
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Speaker 1: be a ton of running backs taken n till after this.

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Speaker 1: But Nicholas Singleton of Penn State's just this big. The

484
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Speaker 1: comp is Basial Teuton of the Jaguars. I'm sure he's

485
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Speaker 1: that fast. Towton's a great returner, but this guy's two

486
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty four pounds a lot of productivity the

487
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Speaker 1: bigger tight back that you could make fit in the room.

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Speaker 1: So again, I don't think an RB is going to

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Speaker 1: be taking at forty either, but for the sake of

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Speaker 1: the exercise.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and the same idea, I think I'd go

492
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Speaker 3: with Emmitt Johnson in the later rounds from Nebraska a

493
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Speaker 3: lot of it. Yeah, they like Emmitt Johnson. We have

494
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Speaker 3: some corn Huskers that work in our media department at

495
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Speaker 3: the Chiefs, and they're fired up about Emmitt Johnson. He's explosive,

496
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Speaker 3: he's elusive, just a playmaker. Again, he has football speed,

497
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Speaker 3: So I don't know if he's got a run a

498
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Speaker 3: blazing forty yard dash, but just turn his tape on

499
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Speaker 3: and he is fast like he is football fast. So

500
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Speaker 3: when he gets the ball, he puts his foot on

501
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Speaker 3: the gas and he's gone, very difficult to catch up with.

502
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Speaker 3: He can also maneuver his way through traffic with excellent vision,

503
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Speaker 3: so big plays that way, and he's a really solid

504
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Speaker 3: pass catcher out of the back fuel. If you watch

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Speaker 3: some of his film from Nebraska, a lot of his

506
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Speaker 3: big plays were on routes that he ran out of

507
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Speaker 3: the backfield, And I think Coach Reid could do a

508
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Speaker 3: lot of fun things with him at Johnson.

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Speaker 1: If you're an astute Kingdom defender and have listened and

510
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Speaker 1: watched these podcasts for years, you know our style because

511
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Speaker 1: basically what we've told you is read between the lines

512
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Speaker 1: at running back, like looks like free agent pick at

513
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Speaker 1: running back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some good free agents out there running back.

515
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Kingdom defenders are going, let's sort that, look that

517
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Speaker 1: up at the line, going, they're thinking free agency at

518
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Speaker 1: running back. So it's perfect then that we would discuss

519
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Speaker 1: not only the combine, the draft, but also free agency

520
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Speaker 1: with the guy who's one of the best in the

521
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Speaker 1: business the National Football League, and that is Chris Shay,

522
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Speaker 1: assistant general manager. To lay it all out, he's closing

523
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Speaker 1: in on three decades in the National Football League and

524
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Speaker 1: so great for us as assistant general manager.

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Speaker 2: Chris Shay.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it's must view watching listening find his

527
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Speaker 1: Defending the Kingdom podcast when we featured this guy and

528
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Speaker 1: how amazing he is and what he means to the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs Kingdom. So it's great to have you back.

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Speaker 5: It's great to be here. I'm glad to be with

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Speaker 5: you guys.

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Speaker 1: Okay, getting everything right, people get into the combine but

533
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Speaker 1: free agency, I feel like you're an asteroid storm.

534
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Speaker 2: At this time of the year.

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Speaker 1: There's dodge and dodge and asteroids. But first to get

536
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Speaker 1: the cap right to attack the year, which starts very soon.

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Speaker 7: That's right, So you know that sets the table for

538
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Speaker 7: everything else. So we have work to do every off

539
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Speaker 7: season to make sure that we have enough resources available

540
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Speaker 7: to sign our own players sign free agents from other teams.

541
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Speaker 7: So this period of time between the season and the

542
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Speaker 7: beginning of the league year, there are a lot of

543
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Speaker 7: tough decisions that we have to make about how to

544
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Speaker 7: allocate resources, but there are also some really good decisions

545
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Speaker 7: about trying to figure out how to retain some of

546
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Speaker 7: our really good players that Brett's brought here. And we're

547
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Speaker 7: working through all those scenarios now.

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Speaker 3: So in your role, I'm going to ask you about

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Speaker 3: all the other stuff that happens at the combine in

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Speaker 3: a minute, but looking at the prospects and the draft specifically,

551
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Speaker 3: what's the value for you in this event?

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Speaker 7: Well, so it's an opportunity. You know, some of the

553
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Speaker 7: stuff that happens behind the scenes that we are able

554
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Speaker 7: to really digest more back in Kansas City is really critical, Like,

555
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Speaker 7: for instance, something that not everybody talks about is our

556
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Speaker 7: medical staff. Really the medical staffs of all thirty two clubs,

557
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Speaker 7: but Rick Broke Holder are our team doctors. They get

558
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Speaker 7: an opportunity to assess all the players that are here,

559
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Speaker 7: do physicals, get us a little bit of an idea

560
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Speaker 7: of how healthy and durable players will be, what issues

561
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Speaker 7: we might have to work through on that front. That's tremendous.

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Speaker 7: We also have an opportunity to interview the players here,

563
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Speaker 7: get to know them a little bit. You know, different

564
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Speaker 7: teams have, you know, different philosophies about how valuable it

565
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Speaker 7: is to meet with players here. I think it's great

566
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Speaker 7: to be able to at least interact knowing you have

567
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Speaker 7: to do more work, and knowing that our scouts have

568
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Speaker 7: been talking to you know, the world scouting these players

569
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Speaker 7: for years and in some instances talking to them for months.

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Speaker 7: It's it's a good introduction for myself, veach sort of

571
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Speaker 7: the executive level guys to see the players for the

572
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Speaker 7: first time in person, and our entire staff to get

573
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Speaker 7: to know their personalities a little bit. It's just one

574
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Speaker 7: piece of the puzzle, but the interviews are important, the

575
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Speaker 7: medicals are critical, and then it's a you know, in

576
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Speaker 7: my role in particular, it's an opportunity for me to

577
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Speaker 7: meet with agents and talk to the agents of our players.

578
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Speaker 7: And you know, there are agents here that represent a

579
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Speaker 7: lot of the guys here at the combine too, So

580
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Speaker 7: it's a it's a busy time with lots of different value.

581
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Speaker 7: But the combined medicals and interviews are almost more important

582
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Speaker 7: than the data from the workouts. That's a piece of

583
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Speaker 7: the puzzle, but it's a small piece compared to the

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Speaker 7: film and the other information we.

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Speaker 1: Have, and we've talked so often. It's become more complicated

586
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Speaker 1: as players go to different schools and they don't stay

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Speaker 1: at the same high school. They're like at three different

588
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Speaker 1: high schools. Like the fact of gaining information, how much

589
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Speaker 1: more difficult is it.

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Speaker 7: It's a challenge, you know, and I commend to our

591
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Speaker 7: college scouting staff they have to work so much harder

592
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Speaker 7: now than a few years ago. You know, you might

593
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Speaker 7: have one player that and it's not uncommon. There are

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Speaker 7: lots of players that are on our draft board that

595
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Speaker 7: have gone to two and three schools, and I'm sure

596
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Speaker 7: it will be something that becomes even more prevalent over time.

597
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Speaker 7: So whereas a player who might you know, graduate in

598
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Speaker 7: three to five years. In the past would be someone

599
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Speaker 7: that one that was at one school, that one area

600
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Speaker 7: scout would scout for years and no backwards and forwards.

601
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Speaker 7: Now three of our area scouts might have to you know,

602
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Speaker 7: know about him, collaborate on our understanding of him as

603
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Speaker 7: a person, and that's really the critical value there. We'll

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Speaker 7: get the film evaluation and right as a group, and

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Speaker 7: our scouts do a great job of evaluating as talent scouts,

606
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Speaker 7: but they really are trying to be private investigators too

607
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Speaker 7: and understand the people. And we have to have so

608
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Speaker 7: many more people involved in contributing to our understanding of

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Speaker 7: what these players are as human beings.

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Speaker 5: It's a challenge. It adds a lot of work.

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Speaker 7: We have to add layers to ensure that our scouts

612
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Speaker 7: are communicating to each other, and our guys do a

613
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Speaker 7: great job year round of saying, hey, this guy was here,

614
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Speaker 7: this is what I have on him, and exchanging ideas

615
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Speaker 7: so we're able to develop a complete picture.

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Speaker 3: You touched on this a little bit, but so much

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Speaker 3: of this week is you having a chance to meet

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Speaker 3: with agents and kind of formulate like an off season

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Speaker 3: plan with veach. Can you speak on that a little

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Speaker 3: bit and how important this week is for that practice.

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Speaker 7: Sure, well, we have ongoing dialogue with a lot of

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Speaker 7: our own players agents throughout the year and even leading

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Speaker 7: into the combine. But it's a great opportunity, particularly before

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Speaker 7: the official negotiation windows starts, where we can start talking

625
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Speaker 7: to other agents about other teams players to really hone

626
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Speaker 7: in on where our guys are at and you know

627
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Speaker 7: where and I know Veach talked about this a little bit,

628
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Speaker 7: where we're having some discussions with some of our own

629
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Speaker 7: guys about what the future is here and to be

630
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Speaker 7: able to you know, cement those relationships face to face

631
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Speaker 7: and reconnect with agents and you know, in some instances

632
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Speaker 7: we're in active negotiations and others we aren't. It's just

633
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Speaker 7: good to be able to continue the relationship and have

634
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Speaker 7: some time in front of these people.

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Speaker 4: And enjoy some stake triump cocktail.

636
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Speaker 7: Everyone knows a lot of stake in Indianapolis, no doubt

637
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Speaker 7: about it.

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Speaker 2: Chris.

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Speaker 1: As a follow up, I look at the class of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, how incredible they were. Two super Bowl championships,

641
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Speaker 1: three super Bowl trips. You can't keep them all. We

642
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Speaker 1: can't keep them all. It's just it's fact a lie value,

643
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to look at it from to ask

644
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Speaker 1: you for two different ways. As it relates to free agency,

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Speaker 1: you're trying to decide, We're trying to decide who to

646
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Speaker 1: keep at what price, who to go get at what price.

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Speaker 1: Many times the cap can get screwed up because we're

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Speaker 1: overvaluing or overpaying for a player. That process of deciding

649
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Speaker 1: of our current guys, whom to keep at what price

650
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Speaker 1: and who do you go get at what price.

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Speaker 7: Well, it starts with Brett creating a process where we

652
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Speaker 7: don't have a lot of silos. So the cap piece

653
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Speaker 7: UH is integrated with the subjective scouting of pro and

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Speaker 7: college players. And also we do data analytics here our

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Speaker 7: group led by Mark Richards, our director of Research and Development.

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Speaker 5: All those inputs come into Beach.

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Speaker 7: But what he also does is he creates this environment

658
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Speaker 7: where we're all part of these discussions about what does

659
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Speaker 7: the player supply, how do we how do we attack

660
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Speaker 7: maximizing our resources so that we can take advantage of

661
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Speaker 7: the players coming out of college. What's available in free

662
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Speaker 7: agent generally, you know, there are certain positions that just

663
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Speaker 7: don't make it the free agency because if you have

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Speaker 7: good players at important positions, let's say typically offensive tackle,

665
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Speaker 7: you know, pass rusher, quarterback, they rarely make it and

666
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Speaker 7: so you're you're not going to have a large supply

667
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Speaker 7: of those players in free and see. It puts a

668
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Speaker 7: premium on being able to draft at those positions. We

669
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Speaker 7: talk about that all the time. But at the same time,

670
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Speaker 7: you have to look at the supply you have in

671
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Speaker 7: any given draft and assess who the best players are.

672
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Speaker 7: Sometimes there are positions that maybe aren't those rare premium positions,

673
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Speaker 7: like not to pick on a certain position, but linebacker

674
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Speaker 7: or running back is a little bit less valuable in

675
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Speaker 7: the market in their markets than say, tackles, quarterbacks, receivers.

676
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Speaker 7: So we try to put it all together about what

677
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Speaker 7: the available player supply is and over time have a

678
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Speaker 7: broad guideline about how we want to invest into what positions.

679
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Speaker 7: And it has to all jive with coach reads vision

680
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Speaker 7: of what's important of winning games the way he wants

681
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Speaker 7: to play. And you guys know, coach it's going to

682
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Speaker 7: be quarterback the line of scrimmage, and you know then

683
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Speaker 7: there are other positions along the line too, and we

684
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Speaker 7: try to put all that together to form a coherent

685
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Speaker 7: strategy to maximize what we have.

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Speaker 3: You ever get on like overthecap dot Com or spot track,

687
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Speaker 3: how long accurate are those?

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Speaker 4: West around all the time?

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Speaker 5: On those those guys A lot of them do a

690
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Speaker 5: great job.

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Speaker 7: You know, Jason Fitzgerald, who runs over the cap dot

692
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Speaker 7: Com has done you know, I don't actually know him personally,

693
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Speaker 7: he's done a great job.

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Speaker 5: That's a pretty accurate site. You know, there are.

695
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Speaker 7: Little little things on the margins. Maybe we disagree about

696
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Speaker 7: how we value a contract here or there, but it's where.

697
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Speaker 7: But you know, the websites it's become great. You know,

698
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Speaker 7: ten years ago, fifteen years ago, there was a lot

699
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Speaker 7: of inaccuracy. Now it's it's close, very very close.

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Speaker 2: All right, well close this way.

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Speaker 1: What would you caution fans on though, of like, don't

702
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Speaker 1: be deceived, Like it's not the way it appears in

703
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Speaker 1: this in the in the calendar where we're at right now.

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Speaker 7: Sure, well, you know, I think I think one thing

705
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Speaker 7: i'd say about you know, just a cap world is.

706
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Speaker 5: You know often.

707
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Speaker 7: There you know, I think fans always want to look

708
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Speaker 7: at you know, available cap space in the moment for

709
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Speaker 7: things that you can do. Uh, it isn't always a

710
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Speaker 7: one for one corollary that you have, you know, this

711
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Speaker 7: much cap space right now, and you can spend it all.

712
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Speaker 5: This is a little bit minutia.

713
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Speaker 7: But you know, when we look at our cap in

714
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Speaker 7: our room that we're going to have at the beginning

715
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Speaker 7: of the league year, we also have to carve out

716
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Speaker 7: room for things we're going to spend on later. And

717
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Speaker 7: it's it's the draft class, it's you know, it sounds silly,

718
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 7: it's the practice squad that's several million dollars. It's also

719
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Speaker 7: building in the idea that you know we're going to get, unfortunately,

720
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Speaker 7: in a physical sport, some players that are going to

721
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Speaker 7: be injured, so we have to build for breakage a

722
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Speaker 7: little bit. And you know, we have to build in

723
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Speaker 7: all the expenses that we're going to have over the

724
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Speaker 7: course of the year. So our discretionary spending on the

725
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Speaker 7: cap side is a little less than people think. But

726
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Speaker 7: you know, we found a way to plow through even

727
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Speaker 7: some of those constraints. But that's something I don't know

728
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Speaker 7: that a lot of fans think about. We have to

729
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Speaker 7: have contingencies built into how we spend.

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Speaker 1: We're glad you think about it. I think about it

731
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Speaker 1: all the time. We are blessed to have this guy,

732
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Speaker 1: Chris Shay assistant general manager. Man Again, if you can

733
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Speaker 1: find it, go back and find the DTK where we

734
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Speaker 1: feature Chris in and of himself. We are so blessed

735
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Speaker 1: to have that guy running the cap and helping breadveach

736
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Speaker 1: by the minute. The guy as sharp as can be.

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Speaker 3: It's just amazing all the things that they have to

738
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Speaker 3: keep straight, and Chris Shay is one of the best

739
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Speaker 3: in the business at it. Where think of all the

740
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Speaker 3: things going on right now, I mean, you have to

741
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Speaker 3: figure out the whole off season plan, and that includes

742
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Speaker 3: not only a draft preparation and making sure everyone's informed

743
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Speaker 3: on hundreds and hundreds of prospects to make split second

744
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Speaker 3: decisions on draft weekend, but also figuring out all of

745
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Speaker 3: our own free agents. And it's not just our big

746
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Speaker 3: name free agents, it's guys that were on the practice

747
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Speaker 3: squad last year. Like right now, who do you want

748
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Speaker 3: to sign the reserve future deals? How can we have

749
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Speaker 3: enough players to fill out our roster and to create

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Speaker 3: competition over the course of the off season training program,

751
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Speaker 3: and of course attacking free agents from other teams as well.

752
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Speaker 4: Just a lot to figure out a lot.

753
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Speaker 3: To work through, and luckily we have like an absolute

754
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Speaker 3: genius Criche doing it.

755
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Speaker 1: And I loved his answer at the end. Go back

756
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Speaker 1: and listen to it. All the other things that come

757
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Speaker 1: into play. One of the misconceptions is, oh, you've cleared

758
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Speaker 1: this much for the cap, go get it, spend it.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily. The white wisdom here is you have to

760
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Speaker 1: allocate so much for your rookie class. People forget about that,

761
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Speaker 1: or to recruit your practice squad, which has now taking

762
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Speaker 1: a whole other dimension. Or you got to deal with injuries.

763
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Speaker 1: You're adding guys as the season goes on. And so

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Speaker 1: I thought that was fascinating. All right, offensive tackle may

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Speaker 1: be a very as worthy of discussion here as anything

766
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Speaker 1: in our nine slash forty before we hear from Ryan Nutt.

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Speaker 1: But at number nine, I'm gonna let you have the

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Speaker 1: shot here at looking at offensive tackle and who you'd pick.

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Speaker 3: Which you know, it's interesting with offensive tackle because we

770
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Speaker 3: could go a lot of different ways here. There are

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Speaker 3: kind of consensus like two maybe three tackles a good

772
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Speaker 3: go top fifteen, probably two that could go top ten,

773
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Speaker 3: that could influence other players falling to us. If one

774
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Speaker 3: of these major tackles falls to us at nine. I

775
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Speaker 3: think you have to think about it. I don't think

776
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Speaker 3: tackle is a a pressing need for the Chiefs right now,

777
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Speaker 3: but consider what happened last year at the end of

778
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Speaker 3: the year with all the injuries. You can never have

779
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Speaker 3: enough depth, and getting like a top ten tackle to

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Speaker 3: set you up for years to come is pretty exciting.

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Speaker 3: All that being said, how about Spencer Fano from Utah.

782
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Speaker 3: So he has left and right tackle experience, which I

783
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Speaker 3: think is valuable, but primarily a right tackle over the

784
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Speaker 3: last two years at Utah. He's six foot six, three

785
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: hundred and eight pounds. He's athletic, which intrigues me, like

786
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Speaker 3: very quick on his feet, quick out of his stance.

787
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Speaker 3: That's important when you're looking at our division. When you

788
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: have speed rushers like Nick Bonito on the other side,

789
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Speaker 3: we can't have a lot of tackles who are more

790
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Speaker 3: lumbering kind of guys. We need athleticism at that position

791
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Speaker 3: because Nick Benito isn't waiting around for you to get

792
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Speaker 3: out of your set. So Spencer Fano could make some sense.

793
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Speaker 3: Kind of a work in progress. I don't think he's

794
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: a finished product yet, but a lot of tools there

795
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Speaker 3: the foundation is there for a very good athletic right tackle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Lomo's the guy that moved him to right tackle.

797
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Speaker 2: So yeah too. You took a guy.

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Speaker 1: You can talk about two offensive tackles going early, there

799
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Speaker 1: could be two utah utes. Yeah, but I'm gonna throw

800
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Speaker 1: in a guy here because to me, this is a

801
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Speaker 1: right tackle festival. Now, Josh Simmons. There's nobody here in

802
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: this draft that's as good as Josh Simmons. Now, Okay,

803
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Speaker 1: I think I'm safe to say.

804
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Speaker 3: That it's amazing we got him last year. It really is,

805
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Speaker 3: and I'm fired up for him this season.

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Speaker 1: Let's go Josh. But this thing is a right tackle festival.

807
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Speaker 1: There's like seven right tackles that either at nine or forty.

808
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: Think about where the chiefs are. If you've got Simmons

809
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: that rolls at left tackle, Kingsley swam Matia really took

810
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: big steps forward. Yeah, this goes back to you're saying

811
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Speaker 1: just a few minutes ago. And then you've got Cred Humphrey,

812
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: the best center in the league, and he got a

813
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl right guard in Trey Smith. If you get

814
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Speaker 1: a young right tackle and now all of a sudden,

815
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Speaker 1: Jalen Moore becomes your swing or your sixth guy. When

816
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: you play six over five and play the run game

817
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: like everybody in the league is doing now and everybody's

818
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: doing against us, that's a good deal. Let me get

819
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Speaker 1: throw another name out here, and that's his Francis Marinoa. Malinoa,

820
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Speaker 1: a big right tackle type and a guy that is

821
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Speaker 1: going to be a starter, could be a Day one

822
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Speaker 1: starter in the NFL for either the Chiefs or somebody else.

823
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be awesome. And that's the thing.

824
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Speaker 3: I mean, so many options, Like I don't think this

825
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: draft is one of those where at nine we have

826
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Speaker 3: to take a certain position. I think one of these

827
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Speaker 3: positions and we're going to talk about defense on our

828
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Speaker 3: live stream, one of these positions is going to fall

829
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Speaker 3: to us, and we're going to have an opportunity to

830
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Speaker 3: take a really good player. The other conversation point with

831
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Speaker 3: offensive tackle is I think taking a right tackle, like

832
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Speaker 3: a really good right tackle, would be more of a

833
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Speaker 3: like a luxury kind of pick for us at this point.

834
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Speaker 3: It'd be awesome, but I don't think it's like a

835
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Speaker 3: we have to do it. Some teams are more hard

836
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: pressed to get a tackle in this draft, and if

837
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Speaker 3: you're at nine and a team really wants one of

838
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Speaker 3: the guys that we're talking about, they might trade up

839
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Speaker 3: a couple of spots because you might take him and

840
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: you get a whole hall of picks back. So some

841
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 3: exciting options here. But if we went tackle, I wouldn't

842
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: be mad about it. We could also go tackle in

843
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: the second round, and there's some good players there at forty.

844
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Speaker 3: I'm going to try to make sure I get this

845
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 3: name right. Max Ihana Shore from Arizona State. Another fun player.

846
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Speaker 3: So he's a big dude, six foot five, three hundred

847
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: and twenty five pounds, kind of like Fano. He's still developing.

848
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: He's not a finished product yet, but has the tools

849
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Speaker 3: to be a really really good player for a long time.

850
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Speaker 3: I think, really solid at the Senior Bowl. We see

851
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 3: what he does here this week at the Combine.

852
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm just going to throw one other name

853
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: out there. It's two fun Caden proct Or, Gigantic Human. Yes,

854
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Speaker 1: he went to Southeast Polk High School in East de Mooinese,

855
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: So you love those guys. I love him and same

856
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: high school by the way. Brad Ge, who's the vice

857
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: president for what Communications? Yeah for PR for the Chiefs

858
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: the same high school Kyle Orton. By the way, remember

859
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Speaker 1: Kyle Orton.

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Speaker 4: Sure to you the glorious the Packers.

861
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Speaker 1: Yes, we picked him up for one week and he

862
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: beat the Packers who were undefeated at the time. I

863
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: went to Southeast Polk High School. This guy was a

864
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Speaker 1: phenom in high school. Went to Alabama out of East

865
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Speaker 1: des Moines, Southeast Polk High School. And so anyway, Procter's

866
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Speaker 1: a kind of guy that could be there at forty

867
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Speaker 1: another right tackle that could be potentially a Day one

868
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Speaker 1: starter or work into that very quickly early in the

869
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Speaker 1: season to complete your offensive line. Okay, when you're looking

870
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: at personnel and we're looking at our area scouts and

871
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: trying to disseminate information, this is what they do all

872
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: year long. We're sitting here talking about it now, but

873
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: they're doing it all the time. But Ryan Nutt has

874
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: been around with the Chiefs Kingdoms. It's twenty ten. We

875
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: had a chance to catch up with Ryan here at

876
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: the combine to talk about everything, getting ready for this

877
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: moment and beyond. Well we continue here now from the

878
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: NFL Combine, but with us now is around Nutt, vice

879
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: President for Player Personnel, who has been with the Kansas

880
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: City chiefs now Man.

881
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: This has been a while.

882
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: I'll go all the way back to twenty ten, but

883
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: you've been around the legal long time. The role now

884
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: as you guys start just the roles of the area

885
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: of scouts, all the work that they've done, and you

886
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: start to compile that and put it together.

887
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 8: Sure, so we have five area scouts, right, and we

888
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 8: separate them across the United States, and then we have

889
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 8: two people that kind of work in hybrid roles. We

890
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 8: have Jaalen Merrick who's a pro scout who does pro

891
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 8: in college, and then we have Drew Grigson who has

892
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 8: a hybrid role. They help out as area guys, but

893
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 8: it's five five scouts. They'll do Greg Castile does the West,

894
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 8: Jason Lamb does the Southwest, Terry Delp does the Midwest.

895
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 8: Then you have Casside Kaminski does the Northeast, and you

896
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 8: have Will Christofferson does the mid Atlantic.

897
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: Which is essentially Virginia down to.

898
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 8: Georgia with Tenant including Tennessee, and then Drew will do Kentucky, Florida,

899
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 8: and Alabama. So they all have an area and they're

900
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 8: all supposed to be experts in the area. So they'll

901
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 8: go in and they'll be accountable for any draft eligible player,

902
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 8: which is essentially a player that's been three years out

903
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 8: of high school. That's what we look at. So when

904
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 8: you go into a school, they'll tell you, hey, this

905
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 8: guy's considering leaving, and sometimes they'll say, hey, this guy's

906
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 8: not gonna leave, And they give you a scope of

907
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 8: kind of who you need to look at. And their

908
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 8: job is to go in and talk to as many

909
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 8: people and provide a picture for Brett and for myself

910
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 8: and the other executives of who this kid will be

911
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 8: when we present in meetings. Okay, so they talk about

912
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 8: or they talk to the trainers. They're gonna talk to

913
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 8: the strength coach, they'll talk to academics, they'll talk to

914
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 8: the coaches obviously, they'll talk to the point of contact,

915
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 8: which is your pro liaison. They'll talk to high school

916
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 8: coaches on the phone. They'll talk to previous institutions where

917
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 8: the player attended. So they have to get all this

918
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 8: information and then they have to type it into a computer.

919
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 8: And I don't know if you guys probably don't know this,

920
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 8: but one draftful player just to type in the background

921
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 8: takes an hour and a half. So if you go

922
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 8: into a school with twenty players and fifteen more draft

923
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 8: you can imagine like Alabama this year they they have

924
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 8: twenty five guys, you do twenty that are draftable. That's

925
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 8: thirty hours of work. That's one school. So if you

926
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 8: hit three schools up in a week, that's ninety hours.

927
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 8: So these scouts are just it's like college again. You're

928
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 8: typing till midnight, waking up at six, trying to get

929
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 8: as much work done as you can and be efficient.

930
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 8: So they put all this information in to create a

931
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 8: composite and then when it comes time for meetings, they

932
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 8: now present this is the kid, here's the information I got,

933
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 8: and it's the first line. It's the first line of

934
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 8: information we get. It's extremely important, it's accurate, and throughout

935
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 8: the year they'll revise it, edit it and make sure

936
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 8: that what they're presenting is the truth as best they

937
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 8: can get from third person knowledge.

938
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

939
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: So for you guys at the executive level, how do

940
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: you take all that information? I mean three hundred and

941
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: nineteen prospects here and dozens more you're probably interested in

942
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: then aren't here. How do you then digest all of

943
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: that to make decisions on draft weekend.

944
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 8: Sure, it's a year long process. It's not a month

945
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 8: before the draft. It starts at the end of June

946
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 8: when we get a brief list or we get a

947
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 8: big list from NFS National Football Scouting that says, here's

948
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 8: all the colleges with players, and that's where we start,

949
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 8: and the scouts do their work decide, Okay, these are

950
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 8: legit prospects at these schools. Any big four college throughout

951
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 8: the country we go to twice. We'll have a cross

952
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 8: check scout going there as well. So you do all

953
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 8: the scout and you go into all these schools and

954
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 8: it's just you go from the season to All Stars

955
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 8: to our meetings and you sit there as a group

956
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 8: and we'll put on one player at a time. We

957
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 8: usually do six round or higher draft picks. That would

958
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 8: be the starting point, and we go through from top

959
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 8: from the best player that was given the highest grade

960
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 8: by a scout down to the lowest down to that

961
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 8: sixth round, and we watch every single player as a group.

962
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 8: We usually watch three games. So Brett is getting and

963
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 8: he is watching everybody that's here at the combine and

964
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 8: everybody that's not here, and we as a group stacked

965
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 8: the board and put them up there, and we're going

966
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 8: through mental character. You're going you're watching the tape and

967
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 8: it's a collaborative system. It's a team system, and we

968
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 8: all get our eyes on them together.

969
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: So wow, going back to the area guys, though, we

970
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: now have dudes at this combine who went to three

971
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: different high schools or a prep school. Yeah, and they

972
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: might have gone to three or four different colleges. So

973
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: now you're down a rabbit hole with these guys. How

974
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: much pressure is that put on the area of Scott's

975
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: and on you and your whole staff.

976
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 8: It makes it incredibly difficult because you are sometimes getting

977
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 8: completely opposite character reports from the school the player just

978
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 8: came from. That's a school that's probably not happy their

979
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 8: player left, you know. So you're gonna get on one

980
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 8: set of information to a school now that once their

981
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 8: players drafted, So they're going.

982
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: To give you another perspective.

983
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 8: So you have to find out what's real what's not,

984
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 8: and it's usually somewhere in the middle, but it is

985
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 8: the nil and really specifically just the transfer portal, they've

986
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 8: they've tightened it up a little bit. Now it's just

987
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 8: a one, one time thing. What's not too so it's caused.

988
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 8: It caused kind of chaos a little bit where guys

989
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 8: are jumping around, and you're right, you have six of

990
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 8: your guys that were at four schools, and like, how

991
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 8: are you developing as a player when you're at four

992
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 8: different schools and four different systems. You're missing the spring

993
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 8: to develop And it's crazy, but it's the situation we're

994
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 8: in now and we just have to adapt and adjust.

995
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: It's a lot to kind of sift through. But you

996
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: mentioned the collaboration of the whole front office staff. To me,

997
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: that's always really stood out with you guys. Why do

998
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: you think your group gets so long, so well together

999
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: and work so well together.

1000
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: First, it starts at the top.

1001
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 8: We work for a world class organization with Clark Hunt

1002
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 8: and his family, the way they handle everything. I mean,

1003
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 8: there's a level of pride working for the Chiefs. Just

1004
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 8: the history and just what we've you know, experienced as

1005
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 8: the consistency of the owner and what he brings. I mean,

1006
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 8: it's he's got to be the most consistent owner in

1007
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 8: the NFL in terms of his investment, the involvement, the communication,

1008
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 8: the standards he sets and the level of zero ego

1009
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 8: like Clark Hunt.

1010
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: It's the owner of an organization.

1011
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: There's no ego to Clark Hunt.

1012
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 8: And that kind of trickles down to a head coach,

1013
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 8: hall of fame head coach and Ada Reid and a

1014
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 8: general manager who might end up being in the Hall

1015
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 8: of fame Brett viach. So both of them handled the

1016
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 8: same way. The high level of communication, high level of trust,

1017
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 8: no ego. They work their butts off and then we

1018
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 8: see that as employees, as executives or as scouts, and

1019
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 8: you see that and you kind of want to emulate that,

1020
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 8: so you do the same thing. So we have a

1021
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 8: good just basis of what's expected where there's hard work,

1022
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 8: no ego, and this is a team. So let's build

1023
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 8: this as a team. And then when you get in

1024
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 8: the meetings, Brett is going to listen to you. You're

1025
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 8: gonna be heard, You're gonna be so you're gonna feel valued.

1026
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 8: And then when you get people who feel valued, they

1027
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 8: buy in and everyone works hard. And just the level

1028
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 8: of transparency in draft meetings.

1029
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 2: That he allows, like we go through players.

1030
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 8: Most gms listen to it, and then everyone leaves and

1031
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 8: then they'll do their thing. Brett in real time, he's

1032
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 8: gonna put a guy up on the board where he

1033
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 8: thinks this player is, and he's gonna ask the room, like,

1034
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 8: you guys good with this? And if somebody isn't, they

1035
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 8: can speak up. And he's not gonna get angry. He's

1036
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 8: not gonna get like offended. He's just gonna say, here's

1037
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 8: what I'm thinking. So you're hearing it right from the

1038
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 8: horse's mouth, so to speak, of what he feels and

1039
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 8: like why he decided to put that player.

1040
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: And I think the scouts and I.

1041
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 8: Do as an executive, I appreciate it because that level

1042
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 8: of just inclusiveness and transparency is beyond what most teams allow.

1043
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. Super cool, so fascinating. Yeah, and we appreciate all

1044
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: your work.

1045
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 1: It is a three hundred and sixty five day deal.

1046
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: Ryan Natt, vice President for player Personnel. Fascinating there the

1047
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: area of scouts and the volume of work they have

1048
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: to do. And you know what I did not think about,

1049
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: because you know, I've been in this kick about NIL

1050
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: and COVID and seven year guys and twenty six year

1051
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: old guys. When these guys transfer, they're transferred from different

1052
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: regions in many cases. Yeah, which it goes from area

1053
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: scout to area scout to area scout.

1054
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: Man, it's crazy. I mean everything that the area scouts

1055
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 3: do for us organizationally, it's like the lifeblood of our team.

1056
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: We couldn't function without it. And think about the sacrifice

1057
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: involved that you're covering an entire region, You're spending weeks

1058
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: months away from home on the road meeting with players,

1059
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 3: and you might draft one guy from your area maybe maybe, right,

1060
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 3: It's just incredible. And the fact that our area scouts

1061
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: have been so incredible over the years is why we

1062
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 3: were able to sustain success for so long despite picking

1063
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: at twenty eight to twenty nine, thirty one, thirty two

1064
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: every single year, at the bottom of every single round.

1065
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it. The Chiefs won nine straight

1066
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: AFC West titles, went to the playoffs ten straight years,

1067
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: and we're going to go back next year. But you

1068
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: can't sustain that success. It's not normal in the NFL.

1069
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: Never happens, right. The reason the Chiefs were able to

1070
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: do it is because our area scouts were grinding constantly,

1071
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: over and over again throughout a year after year, finding

1072
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 3: these players who are going to help us win Super Bowls.

1073
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 3: And I thought that conversation with raym was awesome because

1074
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 3: those guys deserve so much credit.

1075
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: They don't get a lot of attention, but they deserve it.

1076
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: I love what he said too about the humility and

1077
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: on task attitude of Clark Hunt. Yeah, and how that

1078
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: goes too and then it goes to the and so

1079
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: it permeates all the way up and down the line.

1080
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: Great stuff there from Ryan Nutt. We're also going to

1081
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: have a live stream from here at the NFL Combine.

1082
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: You're going to hear from Breadfeach. It's a two on

1083
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: one as Matt and I had a chance to set

1084
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Speaker 1: down with Brett in an exclusive interview with that.

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Speaker 2: You're going to enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: Charles Davis, We're going to hear from Charles Davis. Matt

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Speaker 1: Miller's going to break down. This is going to be

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Speaker 1: an awesome live stream.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be fun. This was kind of

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Speaker 3: like a mini version of what we're going to do

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Speaker 3: on Wednesday. If you want some more draft content, you

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Speaker 3: want to hear about the defensive players that we like,

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Speaker 3: tune in on Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: We had that conversation with Brett Veach.

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Speaker 3: We'll hear from Mike Bradway who's also in our personnel department.

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Speaker 4: It'll be great, So tune in. We're having fun here.

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Speaker 1: We are Indianapolis. Shrimp cocktail too, sant O.

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Speaker 2: How you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. I could need some more shrimp cocktail.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was good. Yeah, don't need musin X now.

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Speaker 3: Just put it all right up in there. You can

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Speaker 3: just take it and grind it up in it.

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Speaker 4: If you have a call, that will clear your right out.

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Speaker 2: But that quick, all right?

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Speaker 1: NFL combine baby Chiefs getting ready for twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: trying to make the right moves, all the right moves.