Speaker 1: He's Talking Cowboys rereading live from the Dallas Cowboys World
Speaker 1: headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Bryan brought us, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Starn. Welcome everybody
Speaker 1: to Talking Tuesday inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio. Of course,
Speaker 1: it is officially free agency season, and the Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: are up in arms as they have been for the
Speaker 1: past few years. But not to worry, Not to worry.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys feel pretty good seeing that DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence is staying here, but I don't think they feel
Speaker 1: very good seeing Anthony Hitchins go away to the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: A surprising team as we all kind of thought maybe
Speaker 1: the Colts or something like that. But were you guys
Speaker 1: necessarily surprised by the number nine million a year? I
Speaker 1: don't think we talk nine million during the season, but
Speaker 1: I think we all kind of had a feeling it
Speaker 1: would be out of the Cowboys range. Nine is a
Speaker 1: lot good for him. Yeah, the number I was hearing
Speaker 1: for linebackers was between eight and ten. Seriously, so you
Speaker 1: know it. I'm with you, though, Tay. The team surprised
Speaker 1: me because we talked about the Colts as being the
Speaker 1: team with their third most cap space and then the
Speaker 1: Matti even Fluce moving over as the DC. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Kansas City jumped in there and made him a good
Speaker 1: offer and he's moved on on to the Chiefs. So
Speaker 1: good for him. Played well for the Cowboys. I'd like
Speaker 1: to see how it structured the nine million a year average. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was figuring around five or six. Really, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what we talked, yeah, during the season, but again,
Speaker 1: you never know with the market. It flipped for Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams last year. Well, you feel like we thought it
Speaker 1: would be for receivers last year. So if you're going
Speaker 1: to offer Sammy Watkins three years at forty eight million
Speaker 1: with thirty million guaranteed, it's this is third team for
Speaker 1: thirty nine catches in five hundred ninety three yards offensive
Speaker 1: genius working with him too, right, Yeah, rams, uh boy,
Speaker 1: we're sounding like we're really positive about Sammy Watkins. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, this crew right here sounds like made
Speaker 1: to run. It's Sammy Watkins. Yeah, Jaw coached him. Yeah
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, Buffalo Buffalo excuse, Yeah, I had to say this,
Speaker 1: But if I'm Dez Brian I ain't taking a pay cut. Oh,
Speaker 1: turn tables, turn the tables. Based on who Alan Robinson
Speaker 1: and Sammy watfering deals that are going on? Rap Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Alan Robinson's getting that kind of money three years, forty
Speaker 1: two million, and he's coming off a torn acl sure,
Speaker 1: so they're betting that he's going to return to what
Speaker 1: he did in like twenty fifteen. Yeah, well this is
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen exactly. But this is what we talk about
Speaker 1: with free agency, right every Oh no, there's no question
Speaker 1: guys are gonna make It's no question more than they
Speaker 1: probably should, or at least what they've shown potential to make,
Speaker 1: at least in the first week. Does Bryant's contract looks
Speaker 1: like a deal a bargain now compared to what some
Speaker 1: of these other guys have gotten. That's how we're just
Speaker 1: going to continue to get though. It's going to continue
Speaker 1: to do. Oh no, I mean seriously, though, you mean,
Speaker 1: we've I've written the roller coaster on this one. I
Speaker 1: could speak for myself. No, they're not going to reduce him.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're going to reduce him. Hell no, they're not
Speaker 1: going to reduce that. You know. That's I've kind of
Speaker 1: gone the various ways when I've seen how this free
Speaker 1: agency is opened, you know, when when we're talking about
Speaker 1: players that are not at the level of Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: making massive amounts of money. No, I'm not, I'm not
Speaker 1: going there. But his cap figure this year is sixteen
Speaker 1: and a half million and his salary I thinks twelve
Speaker 1: and a half. Is that correct? Yeah, yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of right in line with what it's actually like he said,
Speaker 1: it's less than what is being thrown around today. And
Speaker 1: his dead money's eight yeah, which you keep harping on
Speaker 1: that one because you're that's important. Yeah, that's important. Dan.
Speaker 1: Everybody just saying, Okay, we saved this, Yeah, but then
Speaker 1: you got to spend eight million for nothing? Yeah for nothing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. Where do you come out ahead, because now
Speaker 1: you saved basically between the dead money and in his
Speaker 1: in his base salary, you're you're saving like four or
Speaker 1: five million. It does You've got to find a number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver because that guy ain't on the team.
Speaker 1: And you've also got nine million just sitting there for
Speaker 1: Tony Romo. Yeah not here this year as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're up to fourteen million of the dead money after
Speaker 1: what happened with Ben Samowa. That costs you a million dollars? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ben Samowa, that move on Thursday, right, you know they
Speaker 1: released actually fifteen million dead that's but you know that's
Speaker 1: if you look at US thirteen nine one exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one tad does create cap room, and yet there
Speaker 1: is some dead money. But I think you look at
Speaker 1: Taco and say next year, no filling that The bigger
Speaker 1: The bigger one is the Dez Bryant one. Now to me, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if I don't know how you could go
Speaker 1: and look at him and say, okay, we want you
Speaker 1: to yeah, after what these deals have been mate, No, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if i'm his guys, I'm like, okay, let
Speaker 1: me go. Then you know who I guarantee you there'll
Speaker 1: be a team out there. They'll take a run at him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe a couple. It's so funny because sitting here last week,
Speaker 1: you know, there were a lot of people on social
Speaker 1: media saying, oh, they can't let Dees go. He's Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant of the Dallas Cowboys, guys, And look around the league.
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman is Richard Sherman of the Seattle Seahawks. He
Speaker 1: is now a San Francisco forty nine er, maybe the
Speaker 1: greatest happens, maybe the greatest player in Seahawks history, or
Speaker 1: at least the most recognizable in team history. And he's gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what happens. Case keenum team coming off to achilles
Speaker 1: tendon surgeries. One of them was a preventive right and
Speaker 1: one was to repair right. So and I looked at
Speaker 1: his contract, all incentive based, all incentive based. It is
Speaker 1: his own deal too. Yeah, it's taking a beating for that,
Speaker 1: and it it it is. I mean, the majority of
Speaker 1: that contract is all him playing ninety percent of the snaps,
Speaker 1: making the Pro Bowl, making the All Pro team. Sure
Speaker 1: he's betting on himself. Yea, yeah, there's no doubt. He
Speaker 1: even said that. He even said, you know, because Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas kind of questioned him who the tackle, the very
Speaker 1: talented tackle from Cleveland, like this is why you don't
Speaker 1: negotiate your own deals, and you know, and and he
Speaker 1: was very, you know, very you know, harsh on what
Speaker 1: he was saying. And you know, the corner came back
Speaker 1: and said, wait a minute, it's my deal. You know,
Speaker 1: this is why I'm betting on myself. And this is
Speaker 1: how I wanted to do it. Yeah. So yeah, but
Speaker 1: when you bet on yourself, your ego takes over the
Speaker 1: one guy that bet on himself. That one was at
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. He won a super Bowl betting on himself.
Speaker 1: He won the super Bowl and then what happened. The
Speaker 1: Ravens paid him over one hundred million. No, but I
Speaker 1: meant betting on yourself, negotiating your own I'm sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, think about it how we all would react
Speaker 1: if we had to go in and say, okay, I
Speaker 1: want to raise and get emotional and you don't negotiate, well, right,
Speaker 1: and then you say, okay, I'll show you. Yeah, well, okay,
Speaker 1: have at it. The one guy am happy that he
Speaker 1: finally did show him because his team refused to show
Speaker 1: any support in him. Kirk Cousins, who had been on
Speaker 1: the tag for the past two seasons with the Redskins,
Speaker 1: even though he had been productive for them, he now
Speaker 1: has a three year contract. Well he doesn't have it.
Speaker 1: Expected to sign okay, a three year contract with the Vikings. Yes, guys,
Speaker 1: the terminology or free agency. Expected to sign agreed to term? Yeah,
Speaker 1: likely too. You gotta wait till Wednesday to announce you
Speaker 1: gotta wait to guaranteed. Yeah, hey, you know what if
Speaker 1: he goes there, they're the favorite in the NFC my opinion,
Speaker 1: because they've got arguably the best defense in the league.
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a cousin. I've been a fan of
Speaker 1: his game, watching from a Cowboys perspective as an opponent.
Speaker 1: You know, whoever a running game there too, He's got
Speaker 1: a running game. They've got they've got all the receivers.
Speaker 1: You've got a complete football team. Yeah. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: let Case Keenum not officially expected to go to the Broncos.
Speaker 1: So so there's another team. It seems like you're they're
Speaker 1: they're hunting. They were hunting a quarterback. They're still hunting
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Case Keenum. Is he really the answer? What
Speaker 1: will they do at four? Boy, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of activity coming up at the top of that board.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be a Jets are desperate. Jets,
Speaker 1: Jets are desperate. Buffalo is lining themselves up for one.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's gonna be a lot of stuff happening.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna bail first the Giants? Giants only have five picks,
Speaker 1: so be interesting to see who bails first. Between them
Speaker 1: and the Colts and what these teams are doing a
Speaker 1: lot of them are. They're not sinking their teeth into
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks they're getting now cousins, I'm sure they are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Denver Keenam, you're always gonna say, uh, can I
Speaker 1: do better? Oh, they're thinking about it right now. At
Speaker 1: for Cleveland, oh can I do better? And you're always
Speaker 1: asking that question, and then the draft comes up, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: do I go, I go get this guy. I think
Speaker 1: Cleveland's creating a situation where they've got a bridge player.
Speaker 1: They've got Tyrod Taylor, veteran guy, and doesn't preclude them
Speaker 1: from spending a top pick on a quarterback. But yeah,
Speaker 1: two of them. Yeah, actually top five have to be
Speaker 1: careful though how far they fall if they if they
Speaker 1: think they're going to get a quarterback at four, that
Speaker 1: maybe get their quarterback at four. That might be another discussion.
Speaker 1: That's fair Draft show. Sorry about that, No, it's I
Speaker 1: mean it does affect it. You know, we are talking
Speaker 1: earlier today about this free agency strategy and you brought
Speaker 1: up Taco well their free agency strategy. Of course, the
Speaker 1: bringing back to Marcus, but they went after Taco a
Speaker 1: development type guy. Same with Jalen Smith. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: and you just let a fourth round pick go in
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchens, right, it affects everything they're about building through
Speaker 1: the draft. First by Mickey covered this team when we
Speaker 1: were terrible in not only signing free a spending too
Speaker 1: much money on free agents. We were in cap trouble
Speaker 1: because of things that happened in the early nineties with
Speaker 1: Super Bowl teams, and rightfully so didn't have a really
Speaker 1: good understanding. We had a quarterback that was you know,
Speaker 1: and all these things happening. But you know, I've seen
Speaker 1: this now come full circle. I've seen it go from
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans completely. I rate at the front office for
Speaker 1: spending money and not making it work and not drafting
Speaker 1: worth of dam too. Now they draft well, but they
Speaker 1: don't spend any money in free agency, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen it go both ways now, and I agree
Speaker 1: with people. I think there's ways to supplem if if
Speaker 1: they had found a way to hit on some of
Speaker 1: the bottom feeding guys, you know that that bottom guys
Speaker 1: that they worked on, then I think things would be
Speaker 1: a little bit different for them. Because they do draft well,
Speaker 1: that's their strength. One of the strengths they have is
Speaker 1: their ability to draft, and you know, people have to
Speaker 1: be patient about that, you know. I mean again, you
Speaker 1: have to be disciplined to do what they're doing. They
Speaker 1: have to be disciplined. And I said this on our
Speaker 1: on our round table, I say, I would love to
Speaker 1: see somebody outside sitting at chair and think about, my god,
Speaker 1: we got to do That's not what we do here.
Speaker 1: That's not what in free in in front offices, you
Speaker 1: don't sit there and just react to every little thing
Speaker 1: that happens. You. You have a plan, you work through
Speaker 1: your plan, and you stay disciplined to your plan. I
Speaker 1: think there's two things that fans are looking at and
Speaker 1: they're upset with right now. Eagles, Eagles winning the super Bow.
Speaker 1: They saw Eagles go out despite being over the cap
Speaker 1: by a lot, several million dollars trading for Michael Bennett
Speaker 1: that I felt. I think that put Cowboys Nation into
Speaker 1: a deep depression because it's like they're still being aggressive. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: but they're still fifteen million bucks over the cap and
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna have to let guys go. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: have to. But they did something with Lane Johnson to
Speaker 1: tackle today, to free up somebody, but they still got tomorrow.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to do something. They're gonna there's some
Speaker 1: guys are gonna go on the street. Now they're gonna
Speaker 1: lose guys on their defensive line. They're they're gonna lose
Speaker 1: their line, Bradham, They're gonna lose. Yeah, they're gonna lose
Speaker 1: some guys. They're death throwing tight end as leaving. See
Speaker 1: this today, Burton. This is where again, if fans were
Speaker 1: just were able to sit in that chair in that
Speaker 1: room and understand what it takes to do and everybody. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit there and lose my mind over this.
Speaker 1: The minute they stopped drafting all pro players, then then
Speaker 1: I'll get Then I'll get concerned. That's why I asked
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones a question about at the combine, about about hey,
Speaker 1: you had some cap you have cap hits on guys
Speaker 1: that are no longer here, and he's like, hey, we've
Speaker 1: got to fix that. We've got to figure that out.
Speaker 1: That is what has me more concerned than And like
Speaker 1: I say, I was part of an organization that spent
Speaker 1: money on free agencies, free agency, and we were god awful.
Speaker 1: If you have money to spend in free agency, typically
Speaker 1: you're not very good because you don't have enough good
Speaker 1: players of your own that you've resigned to big deals. Yes,
Speaker 1: and so you're trying to you have money to burn.
Speaker 1: They are a team, So that's I will say one
Speaker 1: other thing I was gonna say that fans, and we
Speaker 1: got a mail back question about this today is why
Speaker 1: can't they do more than spend the bottom barrel? Why
Speaker 1: can't they go why not get one guy six million dollars? Yeah,
Speaker 1: as opposed to a bunch of two million guys. And
Speaker 1: I think there's some validity to that. But like you
Speaker 1: just said, hey, they were, they were on board maybe
Speaker 1: making a run at Sammy Watkins. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: opposed to doing that. No, they if they really, if
Speaker 1: they believe in the player yet, make a reasonable run, right,
Speaker 1: because if you make a mistake on thirty million, guaranteed,
Speaker 1: oh the fires are gonna go off. See. This is
Speaker 1: the problem that we have here is that from now
Speaker 1: all we hear, we're seeing all these signings and all this,
Speaker 1: and this is then it's going to turn in in
Speaker 1: two three years from now. It's wow, why they had
Speaker 1: that guy? Boy? That was a mistake. Well that, you know,
Speaker 1: give Jacksonville some credit. They signed Klais Campbell. It worked
Speaker 1: out for him. That was one of the good ones
Speaker 1: that worked out for their team. They signed a Booyer
Speaker 1: the corner that worked out for I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of teams that are that are looking at their
Speaker 1: signings right now and they're saying, man, we should got
Speaker 1: rid of that guy. Boy, I was a mistake. So
Speaker 1: that was I guarantee you. They're sitting there in New
Speaker 1: York right now wondering about Olivier Vernon. I guarantee you
Speaker 1: they mentioned that one earlier. That's just a monster deal
Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon at JPP there, They've got forty million dollars
Speaker 1: tied up in two players. Could imagine think about that?
Speaker 1: That minds me what we had happened to us in
Speaker 1: the in the in the nineties there where we were
Speaker 1: having an early two thousands where we're having to deal
Speaker 1: with that. And I'm not making excuses, but I'm seeing
Speaker 1: you need. Drafting is important. It's important. It's a great
Speaker 1: way to build your football team. And I get it, folks,
Speaker 1: I get it. You have to spend it free. Why
Speaker 1: not do both? I get it, But You know what, though,
Speaker 1: if you want to look at the Cowboys have had
Speaker 1: a pretty good year free agency if you count him.
Speaker 1: If the Marcus Lords got to the free agent market,
Speaker 1: he would be one of the top players signed in
Speaker 1: this draft. He'd be on the board right, it would
Speaker 1: be just be reading it to sign. It would be
Speaker 1: just like one of these quarters. It would be just
Speaker 1: like one of these quarterbacks. If Zack Martin were to
Speaker 1: hit the thing. You think that guarding from Carolina that
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville sign is better than Zack Martin. Hell no
Speaker 1: he's not. But he just signed a thirteen million dollar
Speaker 1: year deal. But that's but I totally agree with you.
Speaker 1: But from the fans perspective, they look at it and say, well,
Speaker 1: that's not new blood, that's not we've we know about
Speaker 1: those guys. What else you got for me? Basically that's
Speaker 1: the faith. Would you rather lose him? No, absolutely not so,
Speaker 1: because if he's out there, he's signed in a five year,
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars deal. Your three guys, you're three
Speaker 1: guys that potentially could have been for a free and
Speaker 1: think about that. I mean, Hitchen's just got nine million dollars.
Speaker 1: Mickey just told you I'm thinking more between five and
Speaker 1: six on hitch, almost double that. But when you have
Speaker 1: money to spend, yeah, what do we do? What do
Speaker 1: we all do? We? All? Right, we paid more than
Speaker 1: we you know, I want that house? Yeah, Okay, they're
Speaker 1: asked four hundred thousand. Yeah, well I can only afford
Speaker 1: three fifty. I don't care. I want it. I pay
Speaker 1: four hundred. Yeah. And that's what happens in free agency.
Speaker 1: When you have the available money, you can't you can
Speaker 1: only create so much money. Yeah, and you can't have everything.
Speaker 1: So they got to Marcus Lawrence. Now their next deal
Speaker 1: is can they hang on to David Irving? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: with the money that's going around, sure, two point nine
Speaker 1: on a second round qualifying offer, somebody's gonna give him something.
Speaker 1: If that's what he gets. They've got to make a
Speaker 1: decision by Wednesday, and right we're thinking probably the second
Speaker 1: round tender for him. But think about this. I was
Speaker 1: just daydreaming today. So what if some team tells David Irving,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a two year, seven point five
Speaker 1: million dollar deal, and I'm going to guarantee you that
Speaker 1: first base salary, and I'm going to give you a
Speaker 1: million dollars up front to get him to three million, right,
Speaker 1: and then next year your base salaries three million, and
Speaker 1: I'll give you five hundred thousand roster bonus. What do
Speaker 1: you think he would do? He's gone, he's gone. It's
Speaker 1: kind of what they did with Mayoa here, right to
Speaker 1: get him from ok Yeah, gave him a three year,
Speaker 1: eight million dollars, but they didn't have to give up
Speaker 1: a second round draft choice? Yeah? Right now? Will somebody
Speaker 1: say that second round draft choice is worth that contract?
Speaker 1: But just think from David Irving standpoint, he's made base
Speaker 1: salary now for three years, two and a half, two
Speaker 1: and three quarters by a time he got off the
Speaker 1: practice squad, right, right, so he probably made four fifty
Speaker 1: five something six He hadn't even made two million dollars
Speaker 1: in this league. If somebody tells him, here's a million
Speaker 1: dollars signing bonus, sure he's gone. Yeah, So would you
Speaker 1: match it? Yeah? And I know what the hesitation here
Speaker 1: is is, Okay, he's had some problems. Do I trust him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do I trust him for two years for a team
Speaker 1: that likes to draft second round pick? That then would
Speaker 1: probably look pretty tidy, you know, with nineteen whatever that
Speaker 1: pick would be pick fifty. He's a dynamic talent though,
Speaker 1: Oh sure he is. He is. Sure he is on
Speaker 1: the field, Sure he is. But the thing about it
Speaker 1: is can you get him to the field? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if other teams will look at
Speaker 1: it that because they don't have the intimate knowledge that
Speaker 1: Jiffy he was more consistent overall. You would have tendered
Speaker 1: him a one with the attent of trying to sign
Speaker 1: him like Mickey did down the road and sign him
Speaker 1: to a long term deal because think about some of
Speaker 1: their restrictive free agents. Sure they wanted like well, I
Speaker 1: mean it does, it's not comparative, but like Keith Smith, sure,
Speaker 1: are you going to sign him to the minimum offer
Speaker 1: which is one point nine? I think no, You're going
Speaker 1: to offer him a two year deal for two million
Speaker 1: dollars or something? Sure, and give him two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty in his pie. Yeah, And he probably would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's good. That's a great segue because there are a
Speaker 1: lot of names that you guys might be forgetting out
Speaker 1: there that are free agents. Free agency officially starts three
Speaker 1: pm Central time tomorrow, and we're going to take our
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Speaker 1: of it? We would have probably before and after. We
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Speaker 1: Maybe I can just do it on my Instagram. We
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Speaker 1: actually do that. She wouldn't do it. Man, Well, before
Speaker 1: we get to more free agency news, we have to
Speaker 1: hear from you guys. I'm sorry we haven't gotten to
Speaker 1: more calls in the offseason. It's just been so crazy
Speaker 1: around here. But we do have Brian from Arizona on
Speaker 1: the line. Brian, just please please don't kill us. We're
Speaker 1: all together in this. How are you doing? We're doing good?
Speaker 1: And I just had a couple of quick comments and
Speaker 1: I want to keep the guys too long for your
Speaker 1: comments positives. First off, I just want to comment and
Speaker 1: say I'm for how the Cowboys are doing teams and
Speaker 1: free agency right now, not spending all that money. The
Speaker 1: last three ad and I was excited about was Brandon
Speaker 1: Carr and after the first two years it seemed like
Speaker 1: he could not run anymore. Yeah, because he couldn't carry
Speaker 1: guys across the field at once. He lost just a step.
Speaker 1: He wasn't the player that they've done. So it's all
Speaker 1: about understanding what you're paying for and you don't want
Speaker 1: to end up two years from now cutting the guy
Speaker 1: questioning camp why did I sign that guy? I always
Speaker 1: go back and and I just it's still in my
Speaker 1: head when brought Us was talking about cutting, when all
Speaker 1: those restructures with Tony Romo's contract, and brought Us would
Speaker 1: always say, I wouldn't touch that because I feel like
Speaker 1: if I got to move on, it's gonna hurt me
Speaker 1: down the line. And what happened, it hurt us down
Speaker 1: the line. So when Mickey's preaching you can't just cut
Speaker 1: dead just because of this and that, you know you,
Speaker 1: that's more dead money you're adding on. You're just palinoid,
Speaker 1: and you're palinoid, and then you got to restructure this
Speaker 1: guy just to resign your draft picks. I'm all for
Speaker 1: not being aggressive free and free agency, but I would
Speaker 1: love to see them be a little more aggressive with
Speaker 1: their draft picks. Kim draft picks is not going to
Speaker 1: make this team. So I personally think that about six
Speaker 1: is going to make it. And sure and if if
Speaker 1: you don't mind me saying, I personally believe that if
Speaker 1: Derwin James becomes within striking distance, I believe that's going
Speaker 1: to be their pick. Because right now you're two starting
Speaker 1: safety what it looks like is Cavan Fraser and Jeff
Speaker 1: Heat And Jeff Heat I'll give him credit with his
Speaker 1: duke whereas dude, he broke on a couple of balls.
Speaker 1: He probably had the best ball skills in the secondary
Speaker 1: to past two years as much as we as much
Speaker 1: as we power on it, but I just can't see
Speaker 1: those two guys being the starting safety. So if you
Speaker 1: ask me, I would rather be aggressive and pursue Derwin
Speaker 1: James and the Calvin Ridley. There's a rumor about Corey
Speaker 1: Coleman and the Cowboys possibly being Instersted. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much truth that is, but I would rather pursue
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, then to take a Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: at nineteen. I'm a fan of the parcels and the
Speaker 1: Belichick mode of look at your team down the middle.
Speaker 1: They need depth that running back, they need guards help,
Speaker 1: they need defensive tackle help, linebacker in safety. That is
Speaker 1: where you build your team. That's a lot you're weak
Speaker 1: and if you're in you can argue that they need
Speaker 1: help at every one of the positions that I just mentioned.
Speaker 1: That's why we say, yeah, that's why we say, are
Speaker 1: you sure about death? You sure you want to create
Speaker 1: another big need for yourself. When you just mentioned all
Speaker 1: those positions, how many draft choice made it last year? Five?
Speaker 1: Top three, top three and then uh zabre Woods zaber
Speaker 1: Woods was Noah Brown, right, So that was that was
Speaker 1: two sixes and the three that's five right there. And
Speaker 1: you're a good call, Brian, by the way, it was reasonable. Well,
Speaker 1: he just pointed out a lot of needs. This so
Speaker 1: five five guys made it right when you had room
Speaker 1: and he's right, ten guys ain't gonna make this team. No,
Speaker 1: and and he's you know, within within striking distance. I'm
Speaker 1: liking what he's saying, though, I think you're going to
Speaker 1: have to go up into the maybe into the teams
Speaker 1: to make this happen. Miami to Levin was a place
Speaker 1: we kind of targeted for, you know, either maybe Roquan
Speaker 1: Smith the linebacker or maybe even Derwin James. I like
Speaker 1: the call. I think they are going to be aggressive
Speaker 1: with these. You made the decision in free agency last
Speaker 1: year to let all those guys go so you would
Speaker 1: have compensatory picks. You got compensatory picks. Now take advantage
Speaker 1: of the move up. Move up in rounds if you can.
Speaker 1: If you got a player you like, go get that guy.
Speaker 1: And it goes back to Rob. I know you hate
Speaker 1: to if somehow somebody signs they give you that second
Speaker 1: round pick, that's again more ammunition to move around. Get
Speaker 1: another guy. Maybe stand there and pick a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a more quality guy. More guys you could get
Speaker 1: in that top one hundred. The better chance you have
Speaker 1: are really really helping your football teach. Chans Jerry about
Speaker 1: those compensatory picks on the bus at the combine. He
Speaker 1: called him a godsend and there's a reason for that
Speaker 1: because you can trade him now and you can move
Speaker 1: around Doc Prescott. So not pretty good. Just stay in there.
Speaker 1: Two most critical evaluations they have to make to me
Speaker 1: is number one, what is Jalen Smith? Is he ready
Speaker 1: for this? True? Because you can't be wrong? Can't be wrong?
Speaker 1: And number two, what is Xavier Woods? That's you want
Speaker 1: him playing safety? Right? Or do you want him playing
Speaker 1: in the slot? That's fair. That's a good point because
Speaker 1: they do have some dbs with some flex to play safety, right.
Speaker 1: I mean Coler just mentioned Heath and Frasier. They have
Speaker 1: some other guys that No, he's right about that. Can
Speaker 1: I ask a question of the panel here, Hey, please
Speaker 1: help me with this too. If you're moving Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: are you moving him to start or are you just
Speaker 1: moving him to be the tight end but cover guy?
Speaker 1: And both? Is he I'm gonna ask you though, is
Speaker 1: he going? Are you taking him out of his starting
Speaker 1: role to play Xavier Woods? Are you moving Byron Jones
Speaker 1: because you're trying to get better at right corner? Because
Speaker 1: of George Lewis, you don't trust Jordan Lewis or do
Speaker 1: you not trust a Woozia. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: trust Anthony Brown. I wonder what's going to happen now
Speaker 1: with Christoph Shardon coming in here, you know, and what
Speaker 1: he thinks. That's kind of I'm just asking the question
Speaker 1: because because if, if, why, if you believe in Anthony Brown, right,
Speaker 1: then I'm not moving. I don't think he's a corner.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Anthony Brown. No, Byron Jones, he's played forty
Speaker 1: eight games. We haven't figured that out yet. Think he's
Speaker 1: frustrated too. He would like to sure, he would like
Speaker 1: to know, right, but sure, Yeah, he said he feels
Speaker 1: like he can't go in any offseason knowing where he
Speaker 1: really is. I can't train for it, right See, Christoph
Speaker 1: Shardon has his own thoughts on it, right Nick, and
Speaker 1: I don't like he just got here a month ago.
Speaker 1: He will have he might he might have. He might
Speaker 1: have thought all along when when Byron Jones was coming
Speaker 1: out of Connecticut that Byron Jones was a corner to him.
Speaker 1: He likes the bigger but that corner. Oh, I know
Speaker 1: we did. That's what I'm saying. It's taking forty eight
Speaker 1: games and now we're moving him around again. I think
Speaker 1: the question that's the I'm asking the question is if
Speaker 1: you're moving him, is he going to be your starter?
Speaker 1: That's that's what I want to know. Andrew back, No,
Speaker 1: so you're moving on from him? Yeah, yeah, he wants
Speaker 1: He apparently wants to move on in June. I would
Speaker 1: move on. Yeah. By the way, you get to stay
Speaker 1: here a little longer. Yeah, on the team. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a rush there. No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna be We're not gonna sit there and
Speaker 1: let you just, you know, have your way. It sets
Speaker 1: a bad presence. I'd say that right, Press presidents, presidents,
Speaker 1: it sets a bad You can't have players walking into
Speaker 1: the head coach's office or walking into the Will mcclay's
Speaker 1: officer Jerry Jones Stephen Jones goes, you need to let
Speaker 1: me go. You know how long that line would be.
Speaker 1: That's all the way to hear. That's here's the thing
Speaker 1: about Orlando. Trust me, you're right. He signed for two
Speaker 1: more years and if you cut it, we talked about
Speaker 1: saving money, you'd only save about a million and a
Speaker 1: half buck. So it's not like letting him go would
Speaker 1: open up all this space to go do something you
Speaker 1: want to do, and it's it's three point eight eight
Speaker 1: million and dead bunny, Yeah, adds up. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: mean at some point and he sees it too, what's
Speaker 1: his role gonna be here? Well, I don't care what
Speaker 1: he thinks. He signed the contract. I'm not saying you
Speaker 1: gotta cut him. No, I'm saying I'm saying Y's attitude
Speaker 1: about this trap. I mean, the speculation is, do you
Speaker 1: try to get a pick for him? But I would
Speaker 1: love to. Yeah, we has somebody gonna give you. What
Speaker 1: is it you give for? There? Is there any good
Speaker 1: tape of him playing last year thirty one years old? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so, I mean is there? Yeah? I mean
Speaker 1: he got banged up down the stretch. Somebody might trade
Speaker 1: for him, as are we piling on here as a
Speaker 1: nickel corner. I got the fan club here and lay
Speaker 1: in the slot. It's not personal. His base salaries only
Speaker 1: three million dollars, so that's that's pretty cheap. If I
Speaker 1: can find me the guy that's going to come in
Speaker 1: and play in the slot. I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: any good tape on this guy. Didn't he have a
Speaker 1: good game against the was he already I'm watually I'm
Speaker 1: watching a good player. Man, he gets the Redskins, he
Speaker 1: had that big return Redskins. He had the big return. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I think that's when he heard his back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's a good question about the buyer. I mean,
Speaker 1: you might you kind of create a log jam a
Speaker 1: little bit if you move him to corner. Because again,
Speaker 1: like the caller said, what do you do at safety?
Speaker 1: I think I think there you have a lot of
Speaker 1: confidence in a Woozier's potential. Sure, but it's the health thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, he missed a lot of time yow. But
Speaker 1: when he got back, he was good. His best game
Speaker 1: was starting on the twenty ninth of October last year,
Speaker 1: and then he did decent things against the uh the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Was he on that field? That? Was he on the
Speaker 1: field that gets the Chargers? I think he got injured
Speaker 1: again during that game and then he and then he
Speaker 1: was and he missed the last four games of the year, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was a captain. Right. His last game was
Speaker 1: the last Washington game here on November thirtieth. So he
Speaker 1: saw it in December. I mean he said it, you
Speaker 1: know they're going youth in and so obviously he wants
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be a bench guy. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize there was a thing in the NFL called total disability. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and some guys can't apply. And maybe Orlando Skinner things
Speaker 1: he might be able to apply for that. I just again,
Speaker 1: the question I want to know is, why would you
Speaker 1: move Byron Jones if he if the intent is not
Speaker 1: to start him? That's my question. And I don't and
Speaker 1: I have a great answer, and I and I and
Speaker 1: I've been in this thing since nineteen ninety two, and
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't know why. I don't know
Speaker 1: why you would do that? Well, you may could you? Again?
Speaker 1: The guys played forty eight games. He's he's tied him
Speaker 1: and the kid at the Jets, the defensive tackle Williams
Speaker 1: had played at his first round draft class guys, breaking news.
Speaker 1: M Danny Woodhead is expected to be released. You sign
Speaker 1: him for how long? Dylan Smith wants to know Danny Woodhead.
Speaker 1: Danny Woodhead? Did he kind of a verse old back?
Speaker 1: Didn't he kill the Cowboys in the game in San
Speaker 1: Diego one years ago? They couldn't cover him out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. The wheel route poor Bruce Carter. That was
Speaker 1: a while ago. That was like twenty fourteen. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was Bruce Carter. Yeah, it's Bruce Carter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: couldn't cover a wheel route. No draft. They're good play
Speaker 1: of draft running backs in the street. Like you like
Speaker 1: the depth there. Yeah, we're gonna talk about a guy
Speaker 1: today at on our breakdown from Tennessee. That's a I
Speaker 1: think it's a good play. Can I say one more
Speaker 1: thing on corner? Why why can't you have Byron start
Speaker 1: it right? And it was he started left? Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Well, I think that's that might
Speaker 1: be what they're looking at, right, Okay, but what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do it? We kind of like, is it good
Speaker 1: enough to do it? But we like, we liked Jordan.
Speaker 1: We started four games at cornerback. Mackey. You can always
Speaker 1: move him again, you know they've done that like six times.
Speaker 1: But why why cornerback? Huh? Was he that bad at safety?
Speaker 1: He didn't really play. I don't think he played the
Speaker 1: role that he looked like he was gonna play. In
Speaker 1: training camp, he wound up he was really good player
Speaker 1: in training camp. I don't know what the hell happened.
Speaker 1: But the time we landed here and out of Ox
Speaker 1: and Art, he was like MVP of training camp. We
Speaker 1: wrote about him a bunch. I know he wasn't that
Speaker 1: center field guy. Last year he played more to me
Speaker 1: around the box than he did well. Jeff Heath ended
Speaker 1: up playing center field. That's my point. I think maybe
Speaker 1: for that, don't you think then being a box safety?
Speaker 1: I just I find just get forty eight games, we
Speaker 1: haven't figured that out for that guy. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: amazing to me. Whose fault is that? Well? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe he just know I'll fit in anywhere where, you
Speaker 1: know where. If you have somebody coming in and saying
Speaker 1: he's not this to me, you know, then maybe that's
Speaker 1: maybe that's it. Maybe they say, hey, listen, we Chris
Speaker 1: Rorishard comes in and says, I don't think he's a safety.
Speaker 1: I think he's a corner. Maybe that's their way of saying, okay,
Speaker 1: well let's try. You know, I'll tell you what physician
Speaker 1: flexibility I think maybe hurts this team more than it
Speaker 1: helps him. I don't know, how can you say that
Speaker 1: with Keith Smith and Rod Smith and guys like that,
Speaker 1: that they've been able to Tyron Crawford. Tyron Crawford, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true, and people are looking they ever played him
Speaker 1: at one position? Oh, I think he's a defensive end
Speaker 1: now about David Irving, that's I think he's the defensive
Speaker 1: backle Now he can help guys find a role. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Keith Smith, sure find a spot in the league.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like he's had more success as a
Speaker 1: fullback than he did well, he wasn't gonna make it.
Speaker 1: I do think. I do think we see position flex
Speaker 1: hurt Chaz Green. Last year they came into a guard
Speaker 1: mill showers. We're looking at him. He's you know, he's
Speaker 1: he's done, all right, Jamil for hanging around. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you moved Byron Jones, who's playing safety. I think you'd have.
Speaker 1: You're not going to use a first round pick on
Speaker 1: a safety. You're not. We're going up to get one.
Speaker 1: You're not. I'm taking you with me, Mick. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go get him at at and T Stadium, Mickey. This guy,
Speaker 1: this guy Florida states pretty good. It's pretty good. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll sit down with you one day and we watch
Speaker 1: him play. What do you want? You want a linebacker.
Speaker 1: Do you want to guard? No, I don't want to guard.
Speaker 1: You know what? Make the first Let me ask you
Speaker 1: this though, With what they're paying their guards now, shouldn't
Speaker 1: you think about drafting in the first round? Yea second
Speaker 1: or third? I need I need somebody who's gonna make
Speaker 1: a significant difference. Wide receiver? Can the safety do it?
Speaker 1: I'm okay with a wide receiver. I'm okay with a linebacker.
Speaker 1: Gos we can get real quant smith here. Linebacker gonna happen?
Speaker 1: Won't happen? Come on, Robb, I mean, hey, he's Sean
Speaker 1: Lee two point zero. But I don't see it. Okay.
Speaker 1: Edmonds is part buddies at the Raiders might get and
Speaker 1: they're only one linebacker in the first round. Two, it's
Speaker 1: actually two, and they're they're totally different guys. Oh the
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds Tremaine Edmunds Virginia Tech. Is about a six five,
Speaker 1: two hundred forty five pound guy. That's it all good
Speaker 1: at football? Yeah, there's some other there's some other good linebackers.
Speaker 1: But can I seriously, one we almost a break. You
Speaker 1: have to break. We're about to break, So okay, you
Speaker 1: want to leave a cliff asked the question, No, I
Speaker 1: just mickey with what asked the question is why would
Speaker 1: you not consider guard at nineteen if you've seen what
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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes the restructure my bi weekly budget, and before
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Speaker 1: a cliffhanger from Brian brought us. Ask the man, Mickey Spagnola. No,
Speaker 1: I mean you were talking about a guard? Yeah, should
Speaker 1: we look Should we look at these guards differently now
Speaker 1: than we did, say, five, six, seven years ago? Oh?
Speaker 1: I got no problem with that. My problem would be
Speaker 1: paying four of my five offensive Lineman. The type of
Speaker 1: money that it costs to keep those guys. Once you
Speaker 1: pay Zach Martin on a long term deal, you've already done.
Speaker 1: Layo Collins, you got the three Pro bowlers. I mean,
Speaker 1: unless this guy is the guard to end all guards,
Speaker 1: I can't afford that many resources. If you're drafting offensive lines,
Speaker 1: you're drafting. I'm drafting. I'm trying to draft one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, and still it's still that would be one, two, three,
Speaker 1: four first round picks on the offensive line. What's the okay?
Speaker 1: How much is okay? Smith? I mean what am I
Speaker 1: passing up? Smith is seventeen million dollars, Frederick's thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: Martin is nine million dollars right now now, Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: is five million dollars. Give me, give me how much
Speaker 1: money did I just spend a lot? At seventeen thirteen?
Speaker 1: I recently added it up thirty count the nine. Is
Speaker 1: it like buying a quarterback fifty fifty million dollars or
Speaker 1: forty five million dollars on the offensive But is it
Speaker 1: like you're buying a quarterback and are more important the
Speaker 1: starting left guard or a swing tackle who can come
Speaker 1: in when Tyrn Smith is hurt. Oh, we we went
Speaker 1: down that road. They need to find both, they really do.
Speaker 1: But I don't need a What am I forefeitting to
Speaker 1: take a first round guard in fourteen? It just depends
Speaker 1: on what you value. If you value he's the top
Speaker 1: guy at your board, you're not okay with taking that.
Speaker 1: I got to fix your offensive line. I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be the strength. I went straight down this is where,
Speaker 1: this is where can I real quick tabre? This is
Speaker 1: where now I feel like that if the offensive line
Speaker 1: can can be your strength, which at once two years ago,
Speaker 1: I mean last year we felt like they had some
Speaker 1: issues with the health of it. But if you have
Speaker 1: to make it transition at quarterback again, you have to
Speaker 1: go to a younger quarterback and say things. You know
Speaker 1: you're trying to help Dak, but say it doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: and then you have to make a commitment to saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we need a young quarterback to come in here
Speaker 1: and play. That was the beauty of putting Dac in
Speaker 1: two years ago, that it was all set up for him. Mickey,
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to help the quarterback and I got you,
Speaker 1: but and I know times have changed. You're thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: I found me a USFL cast off that ended up
Speaker 1: being a Pro Bowl guard. Nate Newton was a hel
Speaker 1: of a player. No doubt you can find a guard.
Speaker 1: Did they find one? Did the guard cause all the
Speaker 1: problems last year? No? The backup tackle caused the problems.
Speaker 1: So if I'm spending budgeting money, then I'm budgeting that
Speaker 1: for a backup offensive tackle. So you're fine resigning Cooper
Speaker 1: and he's be can't find a guard in the second
Speaker 1: or third round. I don't need a first round guard. Okay,
Speaker 1: either way, I think it's a priority because this is,
Speaker 1: like Brian said, that's the strength of your team. You got.
Speaker 1: It's built around in your running game, protecting your young quarterback.
Speaker 1: They've got to fix that because you've you've pointed out
Speaker 1: that was your issue with the offense. Okay, So the
Speaker 1: biggest issue with the offense last year was Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: going out at the same time Tyr and Smith went out.
Speaker 1: Can They were averaging twenty eight points a game over
Speaker 1: the first eight games, right, and that was with Cooper
Speaker 1: and Green playing guard. Can I make an addendum addendum too,
Speaker 1: I can't even talk. It's an idiot precedence. Can I
Speaker 1: make an addendment aside aside? I was I was driving
Speaker 1: this morning. I think Rob was right about Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: being a big problem or lack of Cole Beasley production
Speaker 1: that hurt this offense. Well, was Dees Brian a threat? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes he was? But now I'm just can just hear
Speaker 1: me out? Yeah? I think Rob was right Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: half the production. I think Cole Beasley's lack of production
Speaker 1: hurt this offense, maybe even just as much as the
Speaker 1: offensive line. And when I said that, because we were
Speaker 1: talking like bounce back guys for next year, I didn't
Speaker 1: put it all on Cole I think, could you find
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there was a lot of extra attention
Speaker 1: put towards him because it was clear in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: he was Dak's safety guy. Yeah it was. Maybe the
Speaker 1: offense didn't hum along as well as it did because
Speaker 1: of Cole Beasley's lack of production or they could not
Speaker 1: find ways to get him open. I mean, I like
Speaker 1: Mickey's offensive line argument, I'm with him all the way,
Speaker 1: but the Cole Beasley being half the player that he
Speaker 1: was last year, I think that really affected this I
Speaker 1: was just driving along, I'm like, yeah, I would Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley really do tough year for him and he can
Speaker 1: still play. No, no, he can't. They team started treating
Speaker 1: him like a number one receiver. Yeah, it really did.
Speaker 1: And so then what else? How can you attack that?
Speaker 1: You know, and I don't think they did it a
Speaker 1: good enough job doing that and maybe creating opportunities for
Speaker 1: him to get open others the game over the first
Speaker 1: eight games, that's all I gotta say. That's all he's
Speaker 1: got to say. You lost two of them when you
Speaker 1: scored thirty points. Well, they got everybody back against Seattle
Speaker 1: and what happened that was his first game back. Okay,
Speaker 1: I knew that was coming. You put up twelve points.
Speaker 1: Bit on that. I mean, you're gonna beat the captain
Speaker 1: of the debate team here, No, I guess go to
Speaker 1: your Twitter pool. Yeah we win. I got to today.
Speaker 1: Actually two yes, best free agent signing in recent years
Speaker 1: and yeah, the one you'd like to have back the
Speaker 1: most from the last couple of years. Let's start with,
Speaker 1: let's go positive day recent years. Jonathan Cooper, Joe Looney,
Speaker 1: Darren McFadden, Alfred Morris and look these are again. This
Speaker 1: goes back to these low cost deals. They you know,
Speaker 1: I'll give you the best one of all time, low
Speaker 1: Roy Glover. Okay, thank you. That's not the poll, but
Speaker 1: that's the Wow, that's the one thing we did, right,
Speaker 1: That's it was a good signing four Pro Bowls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was Yeah, it might have been better than Dion Sanders. Okay,
Speaker 1: because appreciate you saying. I think Sanders is still the
Speaker 1: best one they've ever had. Yeah, and the record con
Speaker 1: we were a bad team. We were a bad team
Speaker 1: with a really good player. Okay, I'm sorry going No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're good. We got to choose one of those four.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. No, no interested, No, no, we are.
Speaker 1: I mean I mean not interested because I'm trying to
Speaker 1: I'm stalling to think. I'm stalling to think. You gotta
Speaker 1: go to darking Cowboys. What were the four again? McFadden
Speaker 1: had a thousand yard season though, right he did? Seems
Speaker 1: pretty pretty bold. Joe Looney is filled with Morris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have to go with McFadden myself. They tied Morrison.
Speaker 1: McFadden tied thirty three percent. And now, as we've talked about,
Speaker 1: they've missed on some free aident signings last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Which one would they like to have back the most?
Speaker 1: Carol Mayoa Paya or Cedric Thornton. Cedric Thornton. Yeah, most
Speaker 1: money spent on Cedric Thornton. Nolan Carroll wins that one
Speaker 1: fifty four percent of You know, he was the starting
Speaker 1: corner to start the year. That had something that's really
Speaker 1: wrong about had a lot to do with the young
Speaker 1: guys being hurt. Wrong about him and who was the
Speaker 1: second guy. Yeah, it's wrong about both those guys, talk
Speaker 1: about dead money. Wrong, Yeah, wrong about both those guys.
Speaker 1: I was just as guilty as the pro scouts on
Speaker 1: that one thought that maybe knowing that he would come
Speaker 1: in and kind of be a bridge player. He never
Speaker 1: was that, alrighty. So then your second poll, Robert, that
Speaker 1: was it. That was it. Good and bad? There we go. Yeah, see,
Speaker 1: I gotta hit if you're gonna spend, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna nibble on free agency, you gotta be able
Speaker 1: to hit on those guys. But I've got We've had
Speaker 1: some worse guys than Nolan Carroll though. Yeah, in early
Speaker 1: two thousands, we'll say that the margin for error is
Speaker 1: uh is not great when you're when you're spending on
Speaker 1: guys that are borderline starters, rotational guys, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it is more of a challenge. You're not getting much
Speaker 1: of a sure thing with those. But with those those
Speaker 1: two running backs, we can talk about their yards. Yeah.
Speaker 1: McFadden had three touchdowns. Yeah, and Morris had one last year. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want a guy that's running in the end zone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've always said that. I think the thing about it
Speaker 1: too is I look back in this free agency and
Speaker 1: the signings and I think with parcels and what he
Speaker 1: we've spent twenty seven million dollars on three guys one
Speaker 1: time Ferguson, Anthony Henry and then Marco Marco Rico Rivera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one didn't work out. He was past his prime,
Speaker 1: but he was over paid back but his had a
Speaker 1: back problem in Green Bay. I was in Green Bay
Speaker 1: with Marco Rivera and Bill. Bill didn't want to play
Speaker 1: in free agency initially, and then we jumped in with
Speaker 1: both feet the next year and it was a mistake,
Speaker 1: you know, And Ferguson was we signed some guys that
Speaker 1: were bad. Rivera I think was thirty three years old
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, it was bad It's just,
Speaker 1: it's just it reminds me. It makes me want to
Speaker 1: draft players more and more each day when I live this, folks,
Speaker 1: I live this. You know. Yesterday I popped in with
Speaker 1: Hanging with the Boys and U Nate kept saying, I
Speaker 1: would rather draft a guy, yeah, than sign somebody in
Speaker 1: free aids somebody else has cast off. But if I
Speaker 1: draft him, I gotta play him. Yeah. I can't sit
Speaker 1: here and write right he was and his I think
Speaker 1: its reference was too. And this is what he said
Speaker 1: all last year, by the way, from training camp on
Speaker 1: if you're gonna draft Taco Charlton, I am, and you
Speaker 1: think he's a developmental player, don't waste snaps on Benson Mayowa.
Speaker 1: Play Taco Charlton. They got rid of de Montree more
Speaker 1: and what happened, Taco started playing more and he started
Speaker 1: getting more snaps. And yeah, Nate was very consistent even
Speaker 1: on our pre and post game, on the postgame shows especially,
Speaker 1: he was very consistent about that throughout. Play those young guys,
Speaker 1: the young guy And that's where this league going. If
Speaker 1: you look at after that San Diego debacles, the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Charger debacle, they played those young kids. They finally
Speaker 1: all got healthy and they played them and I felt
Speaker 1: like they played pretty well down the stretch. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so wild. I feel like growing up, you know, you
Speaker 1: waited for guys to kind of get their chance in
Speaker 1: the NFL. You knew the first year they were probably
Speaker 1: not going to get many snaps. But now it's it's
Speaker 1: all hands on deck. You have a choice. And Steven
Speaker 1: has said this, they more and more have bought into
Speaker 1: it's a young man's league, and when they look at
Speaker 1: older players, they look at durability and what are we
Speaker 1: spending on a guy that may not be able to
Speaker 1: get through a sixteen game season. So that's that all
Speaker 1: feeds into that draft first mentality. And look, the fans
Speaker 1: argument is it can't all be draft, and they're right,
Speaker 1: they're right. But again, you're also spending your money on
Speaker 1: your top Pro Bowl guys to retain as well, and
Speaker 1: that's going to eat up a lot of your salary cap.
Speaker 1: That's just a fact. Yeah that Brian made a good
Speaker 1: point earlier about the Brandon carr one. You know, three
Speaker 1: three guys in that in that free agency period, all
Speaker 1: three cornerbacks all signed for fifty million dollars, and that
Speaker 1: was the that was the price of doing business, and
Speaker 1: then wanted one. Des Bryant signed his contract the same
Speaker 1: time as the Marius Thomas Thomas. There was one more
Speaker 1: was Antonio Brown wasn't around that time? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: there was one of more receiver. Yeah, but those those
Speaker 1: two guys and then now we're all kind of like,
Speaker 1: get rid of Das, get rid of DEAs. You know,
Speaker 1: that's again that's what we do. Is this a what
Speaker 1: have you done for me lately? League? Or it's a
Speaker 1: shame that it's a shame that we it's a shame
Speaker 1: that we don't have discipline to see this thing through.
Speaker 1: And again it's Philadelphia went in the Super Bowl. Congratulations,
Speaker 1: they had a nice year. You know, there were one
Speaker 1: play away from you know, Atlantic, if they got their
Speaker 1: hair at at their rear and would have called something
Speaker 1: different other than sprint ride option, you know, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be talking about the Eagles right now. Mickey mentioned it
Speaker 1: earlier though. You know, Foles caught a touchdown pass from
Speaker 1: Trey Burton and he's expected to expected to be signed,
Speaker 1: expected to be signed away Bears. They don't recover that
Speaker 1: fumble at the half yard line. They don't even score
Speaker 1: a touchdown sure against Atlanta. No, I'm just high machine. Yeah. Hey,
Speaker 1: good for them. Give him credit. They want they want,
Speaker 1: They got the trophies they got, they got a couple
Speaker 1: of stops when they need him in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And controversial catches, it's all right, how about that. It's
Speaker 1: a cheese teak. Yeah, it's a catch. Yeah, three years later,
Speaker 1: it's a catch. Yeah, it's life, Mickey, it's just disappointing
Speaker 1: federal men. Mickey, we are we are, you know. And
Speaker 1: I keep seeing and I want to rephrase this because
Speaker 1: I think this was a great point you brought up earlier.
Speaker 1: And we're all sitting here. I'm seeing that DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: is going to be joining the Show of Total Access
Speaker 1: later today on NFL Network. Good. I'm so glad though
Speaker 1: he's going on there as a Cowboy. And if you
Speaker 1: followed his Twitter account since he signed his franchise tag,
Speaker 1: he's seemed so excited about it and it just had
Speaker 1: a good attitude if you would about it. And we're
Speaker 1: sitting here and everyone's like, why then, I made big moves.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys made one of the biggest moves they have
Speaker 1: in the offseason, and last week. I think again, it
Speaker 1: goes back to and Taylor. You're absolutely right. It goes
Speaker 1: back to what we're talking about and having patience and
Speaker 1: the discipline. They're gonna make him pay for play for
Speaker 1: a bigger deal. That's the right way to do it.
Speaker 1: That's the way life should be. You know, perform, perform,
Speaker 1: and then you get a bigger contract. Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: Will McClay. They know that if he plays at a
Speaker 1: better level, they can tag him again, which would be significant,
Speaker 1: or they could they could work on a longer term deal.
Speaker 1: And you know that's good. That's what it should be.
Speaker 1: You know, you had fourteen fifteen sixteen, se go do
Speaker 1: that again. If you do that again, we'll pay you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Jerry Jones won't pay him,
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, I like the way this
Speaker 1: one's going that way. And you're right, seventeen million dollars
Speaker 1: is a huge commitment to one player, you know, with
Speaker 1: this team. So are you saying you wouldn't try to
Speaker 1: sign him to a long term deal? You would? Wait,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting, Mickey, Okay, Yeah, you know what, I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna get burned for it. Mickey but I'm gonna wait.
Speaker 1: You think they will wait? I think depends on a
Speaker 1: lot of stir and talk. Sack Martin thing has got
Speaker 1: me nervous. I think. I think it's going to depend
Speaker 1: on how they construct what he would accept. Yes on
Speaker 1: a long term yes, because if he wants seventeen million
Speaker 1: a year for five years, it ain't happening. What makes
Speaker 1: you nervous about Martin? The fact hasn't been done yet,
Speaker 1: the fact that guy at Jacksonville just signed for thirteen
Speaker 1: million a year. That's okay, but you need to see it.
Speaker 1: But I mean you know what you need to see what? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to see it. But say what if anybody
Speaker 1: serves him there? If anybody deserves thirteen million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: it's Sack Martin. Four years, four Pro Bowl, Yeah, four
Speaker 1: All pros. Yeah, Yeah, if anybody deserved it, He's the
Speaker 1: one guy that's played and deserve the money. He's gonna get,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Yeah. If you guys caught the
Speaker 1: blitz on Sunday night, one of my favorite things. Though,
Speaker 1: you're talking about patients Lamp's dumbbar. You're a fan of
Speaker 1: maybe seeing him back here in Free I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to find a gadget running back cheap. I agreed with
Speaker 1: your opinion on it. I thought it was very Why
Speaker 1: I said it, Mickey, I'm gonna give you that's the
Speaker 1: guy with patients man with your with your compensatory picks.
Speaker 1: We're gonna John Kelly Tennessee, I'm gonna I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: a run. And then I'm gonna make a run with
Speaker 1: get Nam Walton from Miami. Yeah, they didn't give me
Speaker 1: a choice of yeah, no, no, no, that's or draft
Speaker 1: no no no, But I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: you know, I've kind of got something. I want that
Speaker 1: guy I want, Yeah, I want some guy. Hines is
Speaker 1: a kid from North Carolina State too. We talked about
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams from LSU is another guy, Carter from Grambling.
Speaker 1: They've got some guys that kind of got that what
Speaker 1: you guys want, absolutely and they're young and healthy, young
Speaker 1: healthy and Raidar role. Because Lance Dunbar had injury last year,
Speaker 1: they kept him out. Tiller is a broken man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it would be cheap. You can get him on
Speaker 1: a one year minimum. But how many years he's now
Speaker 1: in the league. I think five yeah, but can we
Speaker 1: get him cheap on that? Then they're a deal where
Speaker 1: you can kind of manipulate the money to make it
Speaker 1: only like six hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, like they I
Speaker 1: mean there's there's some kind of deal like that. Oh no, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can pay him this, but he's only going to
Speaker 1: cost you this against the cap. Yeahs, as long as
Speaker 1: you don't give him more than eighty thousand dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, absolutely, well, thanks guys. Thanks Ken's yeah,
Speaker 1: and thanks Katie Pencard who's been doing our graphic. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, Katie. Thank you guys. Another hour's worth
Speaker 1: of information. What I said, we have another hour's worth
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Speaker 1: It's time for Mickey's minute. And I'm tired. Ken, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing people driving on Sam here. It's taken over. We'll
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