WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: There is Always Time: Pursuing Goals and Dreams with Rob Long 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.320 Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marco Wood Show 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.799 on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Rob Long. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:12.760 Rob is a. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.560 Writer and producer and co founder of Ricochet. He also 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.360 does a weekly podcast called Martini Shot. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.599 Hi, Rob, so coort to have you on. 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.040 Happy to be here. Are you in Florida right now? 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:25.880 I am beloved Florida. 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:30.240 My beloved Florida. I am. It's so good. I you know, I. 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.360 Was thinking, we've only met once. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:37.320 I believe, and it was at a Reason party shortly 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:38.919 before I left for Florida. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:40.240 I pretty sure. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.000 Yeah, And everybody got COVID after that party. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:44.840 It was like a super spreader event. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:46.360 It was a super spreader event. 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.479 I didn't get it because I don't get COVID. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:49.360 I was born in Russia. 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:50.720 We don't do that kind of thing. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.000 Yeah, I don't know what. I don't think. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:54.520 I mean, I did get it eventually, but I don't 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:55.960 think I got it there. Now does sound like a 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.639 very Reason event for all party in New York. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.520 Right, which was like, you know, the time that everybody 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.040 was getting it was. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.280 It December twenty twenty. Oh, then forget I didn't get it. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.080 I got it in December twenty twenty we did was 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.199 that where I got it. I would just I would 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:15.399 just start sending nasty messages to Nick Leespie, who accused 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.199 me once of giving it to him, which oh. 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:22.280 Really, oh no, yeah, he definitely got it during that party. Yeah, 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.560 I remember that. I was very excited to meet you. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.759 I had been a longtime fan. I'm actually, I would say, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:29.919 even more of a fan. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.520 Of yours now than I was previously. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.080 You're so I got What have I done? Yes? 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.000 Yes, your sub stack is so good? 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:38.200 Oh pa, thank you. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:38.720 I don't know. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.120 I sign up for a lot of substacks kind of 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.600 because I like the people and to be nice. But 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.680 like I get them and they're like, hey, all right, 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.360 I guess I don't know, But yours, I like, I 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.520 look forward to it and there it's always super interesting 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.920 and hilarious and I just love them. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.240 My trick was just really not a trick. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.040 My trick is to use material I've already it's kind 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.360 of somewhat written, and then rewrite it and also make 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.559 sure I send it out early Saturday morning. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:07.520 My theory is on Saturday mornings. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.760 I mean, I mean, I'm not up at five fifty 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.680 or whenever I send it but it's enough time. 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.920 People are like, oh, I'll read this, you know. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.000 Oh, are you just like tricking me into reading it? 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.160 Is that what's going on here? 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.080 No, I'm just I'm just telling you. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.200 I have a you have a whole thing. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:22.840 Right. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.600 If I didn't realize that it's every Saturday. If you 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.640 ask me, like, what day does Rob Long send his 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.400 you know, sub stack out, I wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, Saturdays. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:32.200 But I get it. 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.839 You've totally hooked me on Saturday morning reading Rob Long. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:36.400 Yeah. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.400 You don't get many you don't get many emails anyway 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.600 on Saturdays. But it's AO and it's like, you know, 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.720 it's as oh, it's a three minute read. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:43.919 You're like, I got three minutes. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.000 Yes, I do have three minutes. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.200 So how did you get into screenwriting? 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:54.200 And I guess I should note you are well known 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.280 for being a writer on the hit show Cheers. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.799 Yeah, that was kind of my first big gig and 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.400 Pat harme my most famous gig. Depending on who you 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.120 are and how old you are you used to be. 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.280 I tell people I wrote for that show. They would say, oh, 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.839 that was my favorite show, or that is my favorite show. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.000 That was my favorite show, And then it became the 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.400 well that was my we used to watch that. I 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.440 used to watch that with my family every Thursday night. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.680 And then it was that's my parents' favorite show, and 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.519 that was that it's my my grandparents loved that show. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.200 And then you know this, I think it's on two 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.440 B you know. So now, so I you know, I 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.840 started as like I'm old. So I started a long 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:33.560 time ago, and there were no I had no other 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.640 skills really like, I didn't. I couldn't do any kind 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.520 of math, so I couldn't be an investment. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.200 Banker like everybody else in my college class. 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:42.200 And I knew I didn't want to be a lawyer, 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.920 although I did have the l SAT prep book in 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.800 my right by my bed as I was in LA 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.040 trying to break into show business. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.240 So who among us did not have being a lawyer 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:55.080 as a backup plan? 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.680 Yeah, you know, it's like and I like to make 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.160 fun of lawyers, but the truth is that like the 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.600 you know, think, I think of all the people that 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.560 didn't become lawyers, and then you realize that the ones 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.640 who really became lawyers, of the like psychopaths, they're the 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:12.560 ones who like made it through. Yeah, So I so 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.720 I was in a writing class in college and the 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:16.440 guy teaching and said, oh, you should, you should go 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.160 to film school. Okay, I'll do that. I mean, I'm 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:20.680 glad you didn't say I should. You know, I should 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.120 go move to Romania or something. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:25.360 And I went to UH. 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:30.359 I once went to UCLA Film School for screenwriting after college, 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:31.880 and I did that about a year and then I 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.279 figured it. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.640 The town out really and it was really a trade school. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.880 And once you figure out, okay, I need an agent 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.320 and here's what I got to do to get an agent, 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.840 then you're just you're on. And I think it does 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.240 not I should say to cautionary note to any young 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.200 people listening who may want to do this. It does 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.680 not work that way anymore. But back then it was 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:51.599 kind of a wide open town. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:52.440 It was really kind of fun. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:53.680 What's different now. 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.200 Uh, so many more people want to be so many 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.200 more people want to do that job, and they know 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.840 how to do that job now every every I mean 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.320 I think there's a I taught a class at NYU 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.680 one semester here in New York, and the freshmen in 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:14.560 my class, my writing class, we're smarter about the business 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.480 of show business than I think really I was for 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:18.479 ten years of being in it. 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:19.080 When I was in it. 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.000 Yeah, it's just and of course we have so much 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.000 media now, which is destroyed our country, but we have 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.719 tons of it. You know, everybody's got a TV show, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:32.120 but there's nine thousand channels of stuff, and they all 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:36.520 need people to write it for now anyway, And it 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.880 seems to seem to people for a long time like 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.720 it's an incredibly fun job, which it really is. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.720 Yeah, but that time is really gone. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.800 Now it's over supply and nobody's working and everybody's cutting back, 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.280 and whatever I tell people, I can always tell I 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.000 can always what I would tell people that way way, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.479 show business is right now. The people in the entertainment 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:58.400 industry always sort. 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.680 Of nod, yeah, you know, it's really rough. People not 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.960 inn the entertainment industry always say yeah, crime me a river. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:04.880 I don't care about you guys. And I kind of 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:05.919 like I'm on both sides of that. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:06.240 Yeah. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:07.080 Yeah. 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.159 Oversupply, cause let's econ one on one, you know, so 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.480 oversupply clauses that. 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.120 That I ask all of my guests is do you 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:15.039 feel like you've made it? 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:16.160 No? 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.440 No, not, I mean no, But I also don't know 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.679 what that means anymore. I think as you get older, 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:27.279 I think if you're lucky, your definition of that changes. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.680 When I was younger, I thought, oh, I know what 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.599 I want, you know, I want to just have a 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.080 fancy car, drive run away and be a big shot 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.080 and get a table into the restaurant. And then when 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.039 you get that, you think, well, okay, now it's like 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.160 that old Peggy Lee song. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.080 Is that all there is? You know? You think that 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:42.359 you know? 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.520 And they've done studies sort of mid life studies or 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.320 mid to you know, you know, they always say that, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.640 you know, your middle aged crisis or something breakdown, and 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.680 it usually comes from the two things that happen at 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.720 the same time, which is that you're old enough to 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.599 realize that you're. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.719 That you don't have unlimited time, right, and you're also 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:07.920 old enough to realize that the things that are really 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:12.240 important making it you haven't been paying attention to. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.800 I think that's and if you're lucky, you know, you 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.320 realize that and then you kind of like maybe make 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.400 some mid course corrections in your life or something. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.120 And if you're unlucky, you so double down. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.000 And now I definitely I really need car. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.760 I got the wrong spouse. I got to change out 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:30.960 this whole thing, you know, right. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:37.160 Which is wrong restaurants restaurants, Well, I think that happens, 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.200 like people think wherever they are, like, there's got to 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.600 be I mean, a friend of mine told me this 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:42.240 great story. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.120 He was like working as a young guy and he's 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.840 in the George H. W. Bush administration, right. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.400 Very very accomplished, a bunch of people running that administration 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.280 like a big deal, and he was called into the 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:03.280 Oval Office, right center of power in the world. All 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.480 of the most powerful people in the world are pretty 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.200 much right there, and he's like, you know, he's in 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.200 his twenties, early twenties, and he's got this book, and 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:11.960 he's got this briefing thing, and he's been told to 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:13.640 say this and this and this, and everything's highlighted. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.400 And he's there and comes in, he sits down. 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.480 He comes in and he stands there and I Bush, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.640 his Bush, the first president. Bush was incredibly, incredibly generous, elegant, 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.520 lovely man. He said, Dave, you gotta sit down and 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.880 sit down, you kidd you don't stand Hits got a 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.559 briefing book and they start talking. His boss starts talking, 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.560 and Bush starts raised his hand, and he says he 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.360 has a couple of questions before they are going, and 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.440 then the conversation. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.040 Just me andrews it's just these old. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.599 Dudes, Yeah, just talking, yeah. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:42.360 And just shooting it. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:47.839 And then finally he realizes, oh my god, I thought 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:52.400 there was a room where things happen, and there isn't. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.160 It's just a room a bunch of old dudes. Yes, 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.480 their afternoon away. So I kind of feel like, you know, 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:01.160 that's it's a great lesson to learn. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:01.439 You know this. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.880 I always felt like that's what that's what was happening 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:05.760 at the White House. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.560 Yeah, I always. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.160 Imagined it was old dudes blessing the night away. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.400 I'm surprised to learn there's more. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:15.840 Guess be true. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.240 Look at the world the way the world is. I 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.760 guess that's probably true anyway. So I can't feel you 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.160 ever make it. I think you just kind of you know, 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.079 you're once you're in a room, you realize, oh my god, 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.400 this is like if you ever met a really rich guy, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.440 really want to make a really rich guy miserable, just 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.520 start talking about somebody who's a little bit. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:34.120 I like that. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:36.600 I'm gonna definitely try that the next time. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.080 I'm in a room with some rich guys. 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.160 Oh yeah, they hate it. They hate it. They'll spend 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:41.559 a lot of time trying to explain to you why 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.600 that guy is not really that rich. I don't know, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.640 he's pretty rich. It's pretty big. Try it. It's worth it. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.040 It's worth it for those of us who are not 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:53.120 really rich. So are very few. We have very few benefits. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.040 That's why if you weren't a writer, what would have 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:57.440 been planned be for Rob Long? 0:09:58.720 --> 0:09:59.360 God, I don't know. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:01.880 I don't know what I would have done. I think 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.680 I think I would have been some kind of like horrible. 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.880 I would have been a lawyer, probably horribly bored now 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.319 furious lawyer. I don't think I would have been very happy. 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.120 I'd have been one of those terrible lawyers, you know, 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.240 and like they're the lawyers and they have a mystery 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.959 novel somewhere they're writing, right, and they don't think they're 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:19.080 John Grisham and they're not. 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:19.480 You know. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.439 That would have been Yeah, well, I'm glad you didn't 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.280 have to take the l SAT path that things worked out. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:28.480 I took the l SAT though. 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:32.040 I was like, yeah, my husband was my best friend 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.640 at the time, and he was like, do not be 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:35.120 a lawyer. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.920 I don't know any happy lawyers don't do it. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.840 And so he really he really changed the course of 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.760 my life because I was like, yeah, you're right, I 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.520 shouldn't do this. Yeah, but I think about plan b's, 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.240 you know, like what what the other options out there 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:49.640 could be? 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:51.840 Thankfully not not being a lawyer. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.040 But you know, so I feel like we sometimes have 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.480 an idea that like, Okay, you make this decision. I 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:58.839 don't know how old you are in your twenties or 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.160 this this is what you're going to be, so you're 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.199 that now yeah, forever. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.520 But kind of sometimes how it works, like it's you know. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:10.719 I think sometime how we choose to make it Yeah, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.040 But I don't think it has to be that way. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:12.960 You can, you know, you can. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:14.600 We have a lot of I think, a lot of 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.560 set you know, life, a lot of internally maintained and 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.040 directed objectives and rules that we think we need to follow. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:26.239 Yeah, and I don't think we do. I mean there's someone. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.840 I guess, Yeah, we probably don't, but it feels like 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:29.240 you do. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.720 I my first job out of college, I was a 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.760 pharmaceutical paralegal, and literally I did things like I would 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.679 have to like look at giant things of documents and 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:43.240 make sure that they were labeled numbered correctly, like one, two, three, 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.840 like monkey work totally. But then my second job, like 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.240 when I wanted to leave there, I was a pharmaceutical 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.000 paralegal and I couldn't become a different kind of paralegal 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.520 at like you know, age twenty one, it was like, no, no, 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.840 you are in this. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.000 Field and we need you. 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.079 Yeah, we need to make make sure that the pages 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:02.240 are labeled correctly. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:03.920 In the pharmaceutical world. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.600 You can't go into that like finance world with your paralegaling. 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.760 Okay, but you did though, because you know I did. 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.840 But I but I have to say I made the 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.520 most expensive mistake of my life. I went to graduate 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.000 school because I thought to change my life, to change 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.080 my career, I needed more school. That's I mean again, 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.080 I'm an immigrant like that, that's that's sort of. 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.520 What I want. The ideas that I was raised with. 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.520 It's like, you know, keep going to school, you know, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.040 if you want to do something, to go to school 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:31.480 for it. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:33.560 Yeah, we're lied to. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:35.720 I don't know, well, I don't know know if it's 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.480 like I just I think it's maybe an unfortunate truth, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.679 but we should probably all push. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:42.480 Back on it hard. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.040 Yeah, the idea, I don't know. I think we had 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:46.960 this first of all, with there's too many credentials. We 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.080 all have too many credentials, and the credentials don't make 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.760 you happy anyway, so they just kind of like give 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.360 you the make it so that no one can sue you, 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.600 or you can't be fired or I don't know whatever, 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:58.800 people trust you somehow. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.719 Yeah, so I'm not quite. I mean that would be 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.320 a nice thing. 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.800 That for us to a culture to get away from 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.160 Zeta had to be credential to do everything. Definitely, I mean, 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.600 my god, you have to, Like I'm going to get 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.520 this wrong, but I mean, you know, those women who 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.040 do eyebrow threading, they have to go to school for 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.480 something stupid. The stupidest thing ever, is it's easier to 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:24.200 be a you know, a daycare employee than it is 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.560 to be a barber, right, I mean. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.680 What's more important your haircut are the kids? 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:29.040 You know? 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.320 I'm unsure me too, Like, yeah, listen, my haircut is 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:35.440 actually really important. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.040 That's a reflection of you actually, So yeah, you're right. 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.559 Your kids can have to learn to fend from themselves anyway. 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:41.880 It'll be fine, you know, it'll be fine. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.320 Yeah, we're going to take a quick break and be 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:49.960 right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Do you have 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.520 things that you worry about culturally? Like, what would you 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.120 say is our largest cultural problem? 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.480 Yeah? I mean I don't know what I don't worry 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.240 about because you get to be a certain point, you're like, boa, 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:02.559 what's that going to do? 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.280 Be worrying about it? And also things tend to work out. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.400 I mean, such a ridiculous thing. I don't think that 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.280 we I don't think that we are smart enough in America. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.040 I think that we're getting dumb and we're letting ourselves 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.400 get dumb. Yeah, and I and I mean that in 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.400 a in a broad way. I just think that we're 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:26.960 not We don't know enough about science. We don't know 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.120 enough about statistics. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:30.040 Well, yeah, for sure. 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.160 We don't know enough about the physical world. And I 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.440 don't mean we I mean me, I don't mean we 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.960 know we know. Depending on how old you are, you 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.280 can name the entire cast of Bewitched, including the two Darren's. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.760 If you're my age, you know that is, and you 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.480 can probably you know, name this all of the tracks 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.360 in order of you know, Taylor Swift's You know. 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:52.920 I can probably do that. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:54.560 My daughter is a big Swift Ye. 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.000 Yeah, I mean like, which is fine. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.800 It's just that there's other stuff like I I you, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.040 I'm sort of right wing myself, so I'm like, I surprised. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:07.640 A friend of mine. Uh, this comes from a family 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.160 business here in on Long Island and they make Geiger 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.640 counters and nuclear stuff detectors. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:14.480 They've done for years. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.880 And he remembers as a kid being woken up at 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.000 like three in the morning by the state police and 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.640 they're like flights, flashing the house and knocking on the 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:23.320 door and they're trying it. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.160 They're waking up, waking up the family, waking up with 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:29.120 their dad because they needed him, wow, to go to 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:30.320 three Mile Island. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.000 I thought he was in trouble. 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.360 No, well that's what he was. An emergency call, like 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:35.760 we need all of you when you open up your thing, 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.280 we need your factory, we need to get all this stuff. 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.480 We gotta go to the three Island because I just 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.520 have the three Round Island disaster, right, And I said, wow, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.640 so amazing, and he goes, yeah, well here's what's even 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:52.840 more amazing. People forget there was no disaster. M there 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:54.920 there was no leak. 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.960 There was there was. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.560 I thought was I don't know enough about it. 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:01.000 Neither. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.440 They thought there was and checked it out, and it's like, no, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:08.280 we're fine. Everything worked. And yet that moment managed to 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:14.000 change everything, the whole perception of nuclear power in America. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:19.080 It ended the nuclear power initiatives everywhere. Yeah, and made 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.520 us more reliant on foreign oil. So if you connected 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.000 the dots, you could say, okay, so because we are 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.320 too dumb to understand the complicated stuff about it, which 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.520 is not even that complicate about nuclear power, we believe 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.480 this nonsense. And then we said, okay, well let's just 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.120 keep buying oil from the Saudis. And we kept buying 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.920 oil with Saudis, and eventually, okay, if you're really a 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.760 crackpot like me, you say, eventually nine to eleven, So congratulations. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:42.480 Yeah, but. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.440 You know, a standard view. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.560 I don't think that that's I mean, you know, there's 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.480 some fringe views now that have other ideas. I mean, 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.280 I think we once knew that, you know, nineteen terrorists, 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.200 a lot of them were Saudi's, blew planes into our buildings, and. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:58.840 That's how nine to eleven happened. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.920 But yeah, and I'm guilty of that. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.119 Like, Okay, I wish I should know that, like we should. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.080 We should all. I think we have this idea that 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:15.080