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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marco Wood Show

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Rob Long.

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Speaker 2: Rob is a.

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Speaker 1: Writer and producer and co founder of Ricochet. He also

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Speaker 1: does a weekly podcast called Martini Shot.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Rob, so coort to have you on.

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Speaker 4: Happy to be here. Are you in Florida right now?

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Speaker 4: I am beloved Florida.

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Speaker 2: My beloved Florida. I am. It's so good. I you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Was thinking, we've only met once.

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Speaker 1: I believe, and it was at a Reason party shortly

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Speaker 1: before I left for Florida.

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Speaker 3: I pretty sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And everybody got COVID after that party.

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Speaker 5: It was like a super spreader event.

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Speaker 2: It was a super spreader event.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get it because I don't get COVID.

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Speaker 2: I was born in Russia.

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Speaker 3: We don't do that kind of thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what. I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I did get it eventually, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think I got it there. Now does sound like a

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Speaker 4: very Reason event for all party in New York.

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Speaker 1: Right, which was like, you know, the time that everybody

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Speaker 1: was getting it was.

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Speaker 5: It December twenty twenty. Oh, then forget I didn't get it.

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Speaker 4: I got it in December twenty twenty we did was

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Speaker 4: that where I got it. I would just I would

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Speaker 4: just start sending nasty messages to Nick Leespie, who accused

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Speaker 4: me once of giving it to him, which oh.

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Speaker 1: Really, oh no, yeah, he definitely got it during that party. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember that. I was very excited to meet you.

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Speaker 1: I had been a longtime fan. I'm actually, I would say,

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Speaker 1: even more of a fan.

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Speaker 3: Of yours now than I was previously.

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Speaker 5: You're so I got What have I done? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes, your sub stack is so good?

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Speaker 5: Oh pa, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I sign up for a lot of substacks kind of

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Speaker 1: because I like the people and to be nice. But

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Speaker 1: like I get them and they're like, hey, all right,

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, But yours, I like, I

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Speaker 1: look forward to it and there it's always super interesting

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Speaker 1: and hilarious and I just love them.

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Speaker 5: My trick was just really not a trick.

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Speaker 4: My trick is to use material I've already it's kind

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Speaker 4: of somewhat written, and then rewrite it and also make

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Speaker 4: sure I send it out early Saturday morning.

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Speaker 5: My theory is on Saturday mornings.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, I'm not up at five fifty

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Speaker 4: or whenever I send it but it's enough time.

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Speaker 5: People are like, oh, I'll read this, you know.

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Speaker 3: Oh, are you just like tricking me into reading it?

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Speaker 3: Is that what's going on here?

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Speaker 5: No, I'm just I'm just telling you.

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Speaker 2: I have a you have a whole thing.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: If I didn't realize that it's every Saturday. If you

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Speaker 1: ask me, like, what day does Rob Long send his

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Speaker 1: you know, sub stack out, I wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, Saturdays.

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Speaker 2: But I get it.

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Speaker 1: You've totally hooked me on Saturday morning reading Rob Long.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You don't get many you don't get many emails anyway

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Speaker 4: on Saturdays. But it's AO and it's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's as oh, it's a three minute read.

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Speaker 5: You're like, I got three minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do have three minutes.

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Speaker 3: So how did you get into screenwriting?

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Speaker 1: And I guess I should note you are well known

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Speaker 1: for being a writer on the hit show Cheers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was kind of my first big gig and

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Speaker 4: Pat harme my most famous gig. Depending on who you

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Speaker 4: are and how old you are you used to be.

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Speaker 4: I tell people I wrote for that show. They would say, oh,

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Speaker 4: that was my favorite show, or that is my favorite show.

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Speaker 4: That was my favorite show, And then it became the

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Speaker 4: well that was my we used to watch that. I

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Speaker 4: And then it was that's my parents' favorite show, and

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Speaker 4: that was that it's my my grandparents loved that show.

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Speaker 4: And then you know this, I think it's on two

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Speaker 5: Banker like everybody else in my college class.

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Speaker 4: And I knew I didn't want to be a lawyer,

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Speaker 4: trying to break into show business.

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Speaker 1: So who among us did not have being a lawyer

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Speaker 1: as a backup plan?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's like and I like to make

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Speaker 4: fun of lawyers, but the truth is that like the

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Speaker 4: you know, think, I think of all the people that

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Speaker 4: ones who like made it through. Yeah, So I so

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Speaker 4: I was in a writing class in college and the

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Speaker 4: to film school. Okay, I'll do that. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 4: glad you didn't say I should. You know, I should

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Speaker 5: And I went to UH.

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Speaker 4: I once went to UCLA Film School for screenwriting after college,

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Speaker 4: and I did that about a year and then I

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Speaker 5: The town out really and it was really a trade school.

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Speaker 4: And once you figure out, okay, I need an agent

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Speaker 4: and here's what I got to do to get an agent,

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Speaker 4: then you're just you're on. And I think it does

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Speaker 4: not I should say to cautionary note to any young

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Speaker 4: people listening who may want to do this. It does

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Speaker 4: not work that way anymore. But back then it was

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Speaker 5: It was really kind of fun.

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Speaker 2: What's different now.

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Speaker 4: Uh, so many more people want to be so many

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Speaker 4: more people want to do that job, and they know

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Speaker 4: how to do that job now every every I mean

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Speaker 4: I think there's a I taught a class at NYU

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Speaker 4: my class, my writing class, we're smarter about the business

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Speaker 4: of show business than I think really I was for

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Speaker 4: ten years of being in it.

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Speaker 5: When I was in it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just and of course we have so much

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Speaker 4: tons of it. You know, everybody's got a TV show,

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Speaker 4: but there's nine thousand channels of stuff, and they all

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Speaker 4: seems to seem to people for a long time like

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Speaker 4: it's an incredibly fun job, which it really is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but that time is really gone.

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Speaker 4: Now it's over supply and nobody's working and everybody's cutting back,

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Speaker 4: and whatever I tell people, I can always tell I

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Speaker 4: show business is right now. The people in the entertainment

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Speaker 5: Of nod, yeah, you know, it's really rough. People not

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Speaker 5: inn the entertainment industry always say yeah, crime me a river.

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Speaker 5: I don't care about you guys. And I kind of

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oversupply, cause let's econ one on one, you know, so

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Speaker 3: That I ask all of my guests is do you

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: No, not, I mean no, But I also don't know

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Speaker 4: When I was younger, I thought, oh, I know what

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Speaker 4: that old Peggy Lee song.

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Speaker 5: Is that all there is? You know? You think that

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Speaker 4: And they've done studies sort of mid life studies or

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Speaker 5: That you don't have unlimited time, right, and you're also

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Speaker 5: old enough to realize that the things that are really

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Speaker 4: I think that's and if you're lucky, you know, you

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Speaker 4: some mid course corrections in your life or something.

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Speaker 5: And if you're unlucky, you so double down.

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Speaker 5: this whole thing, you know, right.

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Speaker 6: Which is wrong restaurants restaurants, Well, I think that happens,

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Speaker 5: He was like working as a young guy and he's

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Speaker 5: in the George H. W. Bush administration, right.

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Speaker 4: Very very accomplished, a bunch of people running that administration

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Speaker 4: Oval Office, right center of power in the world. All

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Speaker 4: much right there, and he's like, you know, he's in

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Speaker 4: his twenties, early twenties, and he's got this book, and

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Speaker 4: he's got this briefing thing, and he's been told to

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Speaker 5: And he's there and comes in, he sits down.

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Speaker 4: He comes in and he stands there and I Bush,

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Speaker 4: his Bush, the first president. Bush was incredibly, incredibly generous, elegant,

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Speaker 4: lovely man. He said, Dave, you gotta sit down and

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Speaker 4: briefing book and they start talking. His boss starts talking,

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Speaker 4: then the conversation.

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Speaker 5: Just me andrews it's just these old.

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Speaker 3: Dudes, Yeah, just talking, yeah.

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Speaker 5: And just shooting it.

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Speaker 4: And then finally he realizes, oh my god, I thought

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Speaker 4: there was a room where things happen, and there isn't.

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Speaker 4: It's just a room a bunch of old dudes. Yes,

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Speaker 4: their afternoon away. So I kind of feel like, you know,

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Speaker 4: that's it's a great lesson to learn.

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Speaker 5: You know this.

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Speaker 1: I always felt like that's what that's what was happening

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I always.

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Speaker 1: Imagined it was old dudes blessing the night away.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised to learn there's more.

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Speaker 5: Guess be true.

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Speaker 4: Look at the world the way the world is. I

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Speaker 4: guess that's probably true anyway. So I can't feel you

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Speaker 4: you're once you're in a room, you realize, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean I don't know what I don't worry

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Speaker 4: they just assumed you did anyway, So hey, good luck

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Speaker 4: with that once you get more sleep, you know, that

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Speaker 4: would I think that would have been the solution.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 5: What made you do that, well, you know, it's like

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Speaker 5: the same whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Like you get to a certain age of like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: let's I've been writing about stuff for a long time,

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Speaker 4: actually write about.

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Speaker 5: Bigger stuff, think about bigger stuff. It's also kind of

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Speaker 5: maybe another problem I think with our culture is that

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Speaker 5: we have a very we we've isolated the big questions

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Speaker 5: like faith or lack of faith and put them off.

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Speaker 4: Okay, on one day a week, I'll think about that stuff. Right,

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Speaker 4: just comes over here in this department of the bookstore,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not sure that's great. And I'm I'm in

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Speaker 4: a Episcopal Piscopalian, which is about the grooviest, you know,

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Speaker 4: most tolerant denomination out there, which is great. I'm one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent behind, and so part of me kind of

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Speaker 4: feels like, Okay, there's got to be a way to

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Speaker 4: sort of I don't think make this relevance the word,

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Speaker 4: but I think it's got to be a way to

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Speaker 4: like reintroduce all of this experience people have had for

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Speaker 4: at least two thousand years two thousand plus, depending on

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Speaker 4: what your faith is as part of the fabric of

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Speaker 4: your life, like right, not like or not, like you

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Speaker 4: have to wake up in the morning and think, Okay, here,

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Speaker 4: here are all the sins that I'm going to not commit.

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Speaker 4: But more about waking up every day and thinking, okay,

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Speaker 4: well what am I doing here?

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Speaker 2: Right as? I don't know, you know, a little.

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Speaker 4: Era Episcopalians, though we don't we don't even think we're like,

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Speaker 4: we actually redefine the word sin.

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Speaker 5: Just so you know that's how good we are.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to I'm going to use the word groovy,

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Speaker 3: just homage to you.

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Speaker 1: I actually just remembered that at the COVID Libertarian Party

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Speaker 1: you were excuse me, you were with Andrew Claven. Oh yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I feel like talks about this kind of stuff a

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Speaker 1: lot like faith in your everyday life.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Drew is an old friend of mine, and

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Speaker 4: he is incredibly thoughtful. He wrote a wonderful book about

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Speaker 4: it about his conversion, and Drew is like, is the

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Speaker 4: first person to uh, you know, in the crew that

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Speaker 4: play the Crucible. You know, it'll be Drew who points

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Speaker 4: at me and screams, you know, blasphemer. You know he

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Speaker 4: will like that, he said, he will gladly light the

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Speaker 4: pyre under me when they stay for heresy.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of sweet. Thing to do like only a

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Speaker 5: friend would, but he does. He believes that it's a

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Speaker 5: part of your fabric of what we're doing here. And

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Speaker 5: I think we look. I mean, people go around saying.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know, you know, I'm an atheist Dominique.

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Speaker 4: You know, maybe I think atheism is a form of faith,

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Speaker 4: by the way.

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Speaker 3: Agree, yeah, it's religion, religion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I think you know, people will been

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Speaker 4: to yoga class lately, like people are chanting and doing

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Speaker 4: stuff and drinking you know, special tea and lighting Palo Santo.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, and you know there.

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Speaker 4: Or meditating or doing all sorts of things that I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's a hunger, like you can't lose the human beings

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Speaker 4: are never going to involve past the awe of what it.

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Speaker 5: Is to be a human being. It's like we can't

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Speaker 5: and if we do that, I think we're losing everything.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was in.

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Speaker 4: I was in Peru last week, of all places, and

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Speaker 4: there was a moment it was kind of cloudy. But

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Speaker 4: there's one moment we haven't a little Peru. It was

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Speaker 4: in the in the jungle in the Amazon Park and

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Speaker 4: the night sky clears and it's.

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Speaker 5: And there's no moon so it's dark, but you see

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Speaker 5: all of the stars. We don't see them in the city. Really,

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Speaker 5: you got to go to a they called Dark Skies Parkers,

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Speaker 5: and we just see them all. When you see them

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Speaker 5: all you're like, oh, I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 5: I get why the Greeks wrote about all this stuff.

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Speaker 5: I get why they invented all these gods. I get it.

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Speaker 5: Like if you see this show every single night, every

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Speaker 5: single night, better than Cheers, Well, I don't know, that's

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Speaker 5: a good question.

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Speaker 4: Well it's free or it's free, but that we just

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Speaker 4: were just because we have cities and yeah, that kind

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Speaker 4: of thing.

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Speaker 5: We don't see that not that often. But when you

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Speaker 5: see it, you think, oh, okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that those moments where you know, you

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Speaker 1: feel the whole world.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's been a year definitely of coming back to religion

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Speaker 1: for me, I know for a lot of other people.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear about your journey at Princeton.

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Speaker 3: I think that's like a really amazing thing to do.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: I mean I'm excited and also weirdly terrified because it's

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just was looking I just putting my

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Speaker 4: schedule together and like I had to. You have to

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Speaker 4: register for classes right like on your little they have

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Speaker 4: apps now for that, and then and then it instantly

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Speaker 4: populates with the curriculum and like this, I have a

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Speaker 4: paper due. I'm already I'm already nervous about the paper

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Speaker 4: December twentieth. Yeah, I'm like, like, I hope they're don't

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Speaker 4: I think there's even exams or quizzes Like I I

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Speaker 4: may just not do great.

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Speaker 5: I'm like too old.

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Speaker 2: To see student's.

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Speaker 5: Exactly what because.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I wait a minute, I'm a little too

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Speaker 4: old to be taking your stupid tests. Be the cranky

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Speaker 4: old man in every class.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Rob Long, You're so awesome. I've enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this conversation so much. And here with your best tip

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 4: This is what I try to say to myself all

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Speaker 4: the time, and it is true, even though it feels

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Speaker 4: like it's not true.

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Speaker 5: You should just remember that there is so much time.

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Speaker 5: Just remind yourself there is so much time left.

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Speaker 1: I love that because I always feel like I'm running

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Speaker 1: out of time.

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Speaker 5: It's over, It's over, It's totally over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Thank you so much, Rob Long, catch him everywhere.

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Speaker 2: He's so amazing.

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Speaker 1: Definitely subscribe to his substack because I think that that's like.

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Speaker 1: Listen to his show Martini Shot, and catch him anywhere

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Speaker 1: that you find his writing.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Ray was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: It really was.

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