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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson. Today I'm joined by Bree Lewis to

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Speaker 1: discuss Florida white tail hunting, traditional archery, and developing an

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Speaker 1: adventurous hunting mindset. All right, folks, welcome to the Wire

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: You might notice that this is not the voice of

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. He's off at a Miley Cyrus concert in

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Speaker 1: Memphis with Spencer new Hearth, where, at least according to

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Speaker 1: his latest text to me, Spencer paid up for the

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Speaker 1: meet and greet, So that's a nice little treat for

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Speaker 1: the boys. Today. My guest is Bree Lewis, who is

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Speaker 1: a big game hunting guide in New Zealand as well

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Speaker 1: as an outdoor writer. Bree grew up bow hunting Florida

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Speaker 1: white tails with her father, Tim, who is the author

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Speaker 1: of several great bow hunting books and a real student

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Speaker 1: of nature. While Breeze started off hunting with compounds, mostly

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Speaker 1: from stands and blinds, she quickly developed a love for

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Speaker 1: traditional archery and still hunting, which is a craft she

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Speaker 1: honed in the swamps of Florida but now uses in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, which surprisingly has two huntable populations of white tails.

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Speaker 1: There's a crazy story behind that, which Brie shares with me.

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Speaker 1: In addition to a lot of really interesting conversation. I

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Speaker 1: had an absolute blast talking to her, and I think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna love the show. But I gotta give you

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Speaker 1: a heads up that I actually recorded this with Bree

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Speaker 1: way back in July. Mark and I got our signals

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Speaker 1: place for the show then, but we do now. So

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Speaker 1: keep in mind if it seems like our seasonal timing

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Speaker 1: it was in the middle of the summer. Other than that,

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Speaker 1: I think you're really gonna love this episode. Free Lewis.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited to talk to you today. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk to you too, Tony. You are

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Speaker 1: living a lifestyle that is pretty wild and we were

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Speaker 1: just we're just talking off air about how how I

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Speaker 1: of how your life has you know, hunting has been

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Speaker 1: so cool. I want to talk to you about that.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about growing up in Florida as a

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Speaker 1: the daughter of a crazy traditional bowl hunter who I love. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what what was it like? Was it always hunting for

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Speaker 1: in Florida. Yeah, my dad's just started taking me into

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Speaker 1: and being outdoors. And I started hunting pretty young. Um

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Speaker 1: all on the individual. And I had hunted with my dad.

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Speaker 1: he's a bow hunting author, he's a he's a hardcore

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Speaker 1: I don't get opportunities at pigs, you know, and it

430
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,719
Speaker 1: just killed me. I'm like, I don't care about these

431
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: little swamp white tails, Like I'm sitting here just donating

432
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: like leaders of blood to these mosquitoes. Please just let

433
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: me shoot these pigs. But we couldn't. Yeah, well we could.

434
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: It was just round on. You just go to Florida

435
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: over the summer and yeah, go back to Coca Beach

436
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: and I'm sure my dad could help you with pigs.

437
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Part of the reason I want to talk to you,

438
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, the Southeast in general, is you know, there's

439
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: so many white tail hunters down there, and it's like

440
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: it's for some reason being in the hunting industry, it's

441
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: just like a hard region to represent, Like it's hard

442
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: to find a lot of voices that come out of there,

443
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: even though it's a super popular, you know, it's people

444
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: down there are passionate, and so that's that's part of

445
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 1: the reason I want to talk to you, because Like

446
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: when I think about going to Florida, I don't think

447
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: about hunting. I'm like, take me fishing. Well, that's it.

448
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: Like the truth is our white tail quality compared to

449
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: the rest of the States is just they're not as impressive.

450
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: So unless you're from Florida and you love hunting the

451
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: Florida swamps and the Florida bush, it's not something that

452
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: you is a destination at all. Like for turkeys, that's

453
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: the only and I guess gators now, um, but that's

454
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: the only reason why Florida would be a hunting destination.

455
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: But if you grow up there and you love hunting

456
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: the swamps and like, it's it's I think it's a

457
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: tough country to hunt. You have, like you're saying, the

458
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: mosquitoes and like uncomfortable heat a lot of the times,

459
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: even in winter, can get pretty miserably hot and things

460
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: like that, and just in the swamp and how thick

461
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: it is and all of that inhospitable environment. I mean,

462
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: it really is. And that's one thing that really opened

463
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: my eyes. So most of the hunting that we did

464
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: down and this was like this is three days of hunting,

465
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: so it's or five days of hunting or whatever. So

466
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: it was like there's a very small glimpse into your world.

467
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: So correct me if I'm wrong. But you know, we

468
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: did we did tree stand hunts on like natural movement,

469
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: and you know, like they had some feeders out there

470
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: in certain places, but it was mostly just like they

471
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: had little food plots and like you know, it's it's swamps,

472
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: so there's like a little high ground and they go

473
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: through here or whatever. But the one day they were

474
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: just like, you know, if you want to go sneak around,

475
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: try to find a pig or find it here, go ahead.

476
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: And you know, so I'm I dropped a pin on

477
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: camp and I'm out there and I'm like, you know,

478
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: when you're when you're in the mountains, they say you

479
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: get cliffed out right, Like you you get to a

480
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: spot You're like, I can't go anywhere. I'm gonna die

481
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: if I keep going. So you gotta back out, and

482
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: you can get into trouble because because of the you know,

483
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: the up and down terrain. I was sitting there and

484
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: I'm like I keep getting swamped out like everywhere I go.

485
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm looking and I'm looking at water that

486
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: has alligators and it like I see them sometimes and

487
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, now I don't know where to go, and

488
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: you can't get any elevation. It's so flat that it's

489
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: like it reminds me of being in the in the

490
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: big north Woods where you're just like, I don't really

491
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: have a good bearing and I can't get up and

492
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: see anything. It's it's a really challenging environment that you

493
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't think until if somebody dropped you in there,

494
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, yeah, this is tough. This is tough.

495
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: And and sometimes like especially on the edge of swamps

496
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: and things, you get bushed out to like it's just

497
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: actually too thick to really get through without making a

498
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: lot of noise and clearing a trail um and it

499
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: takes you way out of the way you'd like to

500
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: go with the wind or the area that you would

501
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: like to try to get to um because you have

502
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: to get around this really really thick briars and vines

503
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: and everything. So, yeah, it's tough. And what surprised me,

504
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 1: you know, because it's so wet or you know, when

505
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: we were there, you know, you'd get that crazy rain

506
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: for like an hour in the afternoon every day, and

507
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: you know where it would just downpour, and so you'd

508
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I should be able to sneak around

509
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: and be quiet. But then the the sun comes out,

510
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: it's a million degrees and then there's pomp like dried

511
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: palm fronds and stuff on the ground, and so you're like,

512
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: like you said, you're caught in the briers, and then

513
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: you're stepping on stuff that's way crunchier than you think

514
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: it should be. And I was just like, this is

515
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: this is legit difficult. So you know, you talk about

516
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: like the quality of deer down there, Yeah, they're little,

517
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: but if you could go down there and consistently sneak

518
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: around and kill them, you could go anywhere where the

519
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: deer were bigger and probably do really well. I think, Yeah,

520
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: that's that's what I think too, And like getting into

521
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: the guiding coming from Florida, I think learning to hunt

522
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: that bush and be aware of a lot of other

523
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: things besides just the game sign because you're aware of

524
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: all the other species that are going to give you

525
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: away and the terrain, it makes you a better hunter

526
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: anywhere that you go. And there's a lot of obstacles

527
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: to solve the problem of getting a white tail in

528
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: Florida and it kind of makes other obstacles not easier,

529
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: but it just helps you learn to figure them out.

530
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: I guess yep. Yeah, easy doesn't make you good, you know,

531
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it just it does. It easy. It can

532
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: be fun, but challenging makes you good. And you know,

533
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: you know you mentioned you kind of alluded to this earlier.

534
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 1: And you know, I've bitched about hunting Florida a lot

535
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: because it was it was wild. But at the same time,

536
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, You're sitting in a tree stand and we

537
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: were hunting the end of July, right at the opener

538
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: of the season wherever we were, like Central Florida or

539
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: wherever we were, and I grunted in a buck in

540
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, August one or whenever. It was a little guy,

541
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at like tree frogs and stuff from

542
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: my stand and little lizards, and I'm like, this is

543
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: not something I could have anywhere else. And so you know, everything,

544
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, you think like, oh, the perfect white tail

545
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: hunt in Iowa November or seventh or whatever. Like there

546
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: there are times when it's just all around awesome and

547
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: very comfortable, But a lot of times the coolest white

548
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: tail hunting you're gonna have there's gonna be something that

549
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: kind of sucks about it, and you just you just

550
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: take that for what it is because of what you

551
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: get out of it as far as the overall experience. Yeah,

552
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: and that's the thing in Florida, like with your tree frogs,

553
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: and for me it was well, snakes, I like snakes

554
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: and frogs, but I also liked otters a lot and

555
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: raccoons and things as a young person. And I actually

556
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: used to pick my stands and my spots because my

557
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: dad would help me, like find sign and talk to

558
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: me about what was had good potential and things. But

559
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: when it came down to it, he would let me

560
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: pick my my own spots that I was going to

561
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: hunt and help me set up stands there. And yeah,

562
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: I used to pick them not on deer sign, but

563
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: on otter sign because I like to see the otters.

564
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: Oh I'd like I'd like to see a deer too,

565
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: but I think i'd like to have a little bit

566
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: less chance of seeing a deer, but a better chance

567
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: of watching the otters and just you know the whole

568
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: experience being out there. So yeah, well that's the that

569
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: area that you grew up in. There's so much life

570
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: in there. I mean, it's when you're there, there's just

571
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: there's stuff moving constantly, like there's there's always something going on,

572
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: and that's you know that we don't talk about that

573
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: very much, but I'm glad you brought that up because

574
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: that that's sort of the secret sauce of enjoying hunting.

575
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: Like if you're seeing anything, then it's that then it's fun,

576
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: right like, and it doesn't have to be Boone and

577
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: Crockett Bucks. Like if if I challenge anybody to go

578
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: out sit and watch orders do their thing and not

579
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: be like, man, that was freaking cool. That was so cool. Yeah.

580
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: And the other thing is like I hear you talk

581
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: a bit about people looking at their phones and you know,

582
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: everything while they're hunting and not paying attention to their surroundings.

583
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: But if you're watching orders, then you're paying attention to

584
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: your surroundings and you'll be ready for when that buck

585
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: sets out, you know. Yeah. It's I'm to the point

586
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: now where I gotta shut that sucker down and just

587
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: put it away because you know, and it but it's

588
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: it's so worth it and it helps me when I

589
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, like hunting with my little girls, it helps

590
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: me be aware of that pole to just be a

591
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: kid on your phone and you know, like it's yeah,

592
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's an easy crotch, right, like we

593
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: we all do it, like I do it a lot.

594
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: But when I'm with my little girls, like there's something

595
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: to glass or something to watch for, something to explain,

596
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: it just helps me stay in the moment better. And

597
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming about taking little kids hunting,

598
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: and I just love it. That's so cool, that's so cool. Yeah.

599
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: So they're they're not uh bree level uh survivalists, and

600
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: they're not ready for the Florida snakes and stuff like that.

601
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Not a survivalist, but they are. They would they would

602
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: explode down there in the summer and sitting on a

603
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: tree stand, but they would love they love the lizards

604
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: and stuff. Um, you were talking so speaking on that.

605
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: We were talking, you know, before we before we started

606
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: recording here, just just for like a frame of reference. Uh.

607
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: We went down to Florida in March, met up with

608
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: your dad, and by we, I mean my family met

609
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: up with your dad. He took myself, my little girls,

610
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: and my wife's uncle out fishing and we just had

611
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: a freaking blast. With him. It was so fun. And

612
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: you were talking about growing up with those opportunities and

613
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: so not only did you have a dad who took

614
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: you pig hunting and he took you deer hunting and

615
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: out to this hunting club, but you were saying that

616
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: when you were like ten, you had a boat that

617
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: he trusted you to take out. Yeah. Yeah, So in

618
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: Florida at that time, at ten, you could get your

619
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: boaters license or permit or whatever to drive a boat.

620
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: And I went ahead and I did that as soon

621
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: as I was ten, and I he felt like, because

622
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: I had the initiative to go ahead and do that,

623
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: that I should be allowed to take it out. So

624
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: that was really cool. Before that, I was taking out

625
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: canoes with my little friends and we would take turns

626
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: a lot of times. Yeah um, but we were shooting

627
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: shooting fish out of the canoes, taking turns, paddling for

628
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: each other. And then that kind of switched to the boat, um,

629
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: and going to islands and for shine and catching horseshoe

630
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: crabs and you know, their seats of opportunities I didn't have.

631
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: I ended up getting a crab trap, but I used

632
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: to just time meat to a string and put it

633
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: in and catch crabs with the net pulling that in.

634
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: And you know, were you catching crabs to eat or

635
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: were you just catch them to catch them? Yep, No,

636
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I would catch them blue crabs to eat. I would

637
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: only take one claw off and then let them go.

638
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, because I wanted to catch them again.

639
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: Oh so you would take one cloth to eat that

640
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: and then you'd let the rest of them go. Let

641
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: the rest of them go, because I was kind of

642
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: keeping them catching them behind my house, so I wanted

643
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: to keep a population. I felt like that's what it

644
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: was a good thing to do. So yeah, you'd catch

645
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: the same ones again a and then heaps of fishing.

646
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: I liked both fishing a lot. But I would also

647
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: bike down to the beach and go tarpen, try to

648
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: get tarpen or snook in the morning before school. And yeah, yes,

649
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: so I was what we were chatting about. And I'm

650
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: curious your take on this that it's I love that

651
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: Tim gave you that responsibility and trusted you, because I

652
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: feel like if you were going to create a young

653
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: woman who loves the outdoors, who is going to just

654
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden to end up in freaking New

655
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: Zealand guiding hunters. That might be the blueprint for it. Yeah, definitely.

656
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think it really helped my confidence that

657
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: I could just go out and do things by myself

658
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: because I was always allowed to and encouraged to. So um,

659
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: that really gave me the mindset where, oh, it's not

660
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: scary to get to a new place. And I'd never

661
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: hunted out of the state of Florida before I started guiding,

662
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: so and then I've been in New Zealand and guided

663
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: in Wyoming. Had never hunted ELP before, but it was

664
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: guiding there, so um, and had a bit of an

665
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: experience in Canada and I got my bees assorted. So

666
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: as soon as the borders open here, I can go

667
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: to BC and God, so that'll be good. That's incredible. Um.

668
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: I want to I want to ask you about the

669
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: New Zealand stuff, but I want to back up one second. UM.

670
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever pay attention to any

671
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: of these hunting forums or anything like that, but I

672
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: check into them sometimes and there's one called rock Slide

673
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: that's like a it's like a Western primarily a Western

674
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 1: hunting forum, and there was a thread recently on there

675
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: about somebody was bitching about like YouTube hunters or YouTube

676
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: stars or something, um giving away too many secrets and

677
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: explaining the like the draw process or the over the

678
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: counter units or how to make a drop camp happen

679
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: or whatever. Get like, like, please stop giving people easy information.

680
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: And you know, some people, you know, predictable predictably kind

681
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: of sided with them, and some people were like, you know,

682
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: not everybody grew up with a dad that taught him

683
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: how to do that, Like it's it's it's not a

684
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: bad thing that people have the right. They have good

685
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: information out there, and it just, you know, I kind

686
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: of feel like that, Like I feel very lucky how

687
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: I grew up, and you know I was my dad

688
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: took me hunting constantly and fishing constantly. Like I had

689
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: a very very good start to become what I am today.

690
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: And then I hear your story and I know your dad,

691
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, it's such an advantage to have

692
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: that growing up. It really really is, and it really

693
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: makes me upset. We get a lot of it in

694
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: New Zealand. UM very secretive and plicky in a way,

695
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: not welcoming to new hunters or people from different areas

696
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: hunting different areas, and I just think that that really

697
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: sucks because we're such a minority as it is, there's

698
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: no reason to um be more divided. And yeah, maybe

699
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: it's a shame when you want to go someplace and

700
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of other people there and you've walked

701
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 1: seven hours. In New Zealand, I'm thinking you've walked seven

702
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: hours to get in and then someone's there. But when

703
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: it comes down to things, isn't it awesome that we

704
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: have the privilege to go hunting in it? Um, it's

705
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: great if more people could get into it, even though

706
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: it makes the woods a bit more crowded, because it's

707
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: going to ensure that. You know, I don't have kids,

708
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: and I'm not about to have kids, but one day

709
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: I'd like to have kids, and I want them to

710
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: have the opportunity. So if if we become such a

711
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: secretive minority, it's going to get taken away and or

712
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: at least made more difficult. So without question, and you know,

713
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: it's just the reality of what's going on right like

714
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: we have we have. If you look at the population

715
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: of humans, it's it's growing exponentially and there's more people

716
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: out there and they're taking up more space. And you know,

717
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: if you look at the average size of a like

718
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: the square footage of a house here in the US

719
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: now versus fifty years ago, it's like a thousand square

720
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: feed bigger or something like. I mean, we're taking up

721
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: more space, and so the people left who want to

722
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: go hunt have only so many options. And so yeah,

723
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna bump into more people and that's sucks, but

724
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: we've got to keep people out there. Like I firmly

725
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: believe that we have to keep people out there, and like,

726
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: you can't get mad if you know, like I look

727
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: at how much information we have available for everything. You know,

728
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: like I can't. I can't do anything manly but hunting fish.

729
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm if you asked me to work on a

730
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: car or something, I'd be like, I can't even I

731
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. Like like I think I've

732
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: got a truck this two years old. I think I've

733
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: looked at the engine like twice, you know, like that's

734
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: not my jam, but there's so you know, I can

735
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: go on YouTube and find answers to questions like you know,

736
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: elect electrical work or stuff like that I can do myself.

737
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is kind of awesome like that that

738
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: we have the opportunity to get information this way, and

739
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: the same goes for hunting, Like, yeah, I know it

740
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: sucks that everybody's everybody's going to Colorado to hunt elk

741
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: or everybody wants to get that Iowa white tail tag

742
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: now and they can figure out very easily how to

743
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: go through the process of getting into the game and

744
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: playing the game. But at the same time, like man

745
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: if it keeps people around and gets that fire burning

746
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: and they want to be passionate and users who love

747
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: this stuff like I want to open the door. Well,

748
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: and the other cool thing is it's really an opportunity

749
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: to help educate people to become more considerate hunters, and

750
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: uh it's those platforms to share information and share good information.

751
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: Is also a platform to share, um, how we'd like

752
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: to see the future of hunting going and get build

753
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: people's mindsets to uh think more about conservation and management

754
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: of the areas and also consideration for other hunters. So yeah,

755
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: well that's you know, that's one of the big arguments,

756
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: right is you know you can you can give people

757
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: all the information to go on their first ALCN or

758
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: the first traveling white tail hunt. But you're not gonna

759
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: give them any you know, any of the ethics do

760
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: you think they should have or they're not going to

761
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: just know some of these unwritten rules that you and

762
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: I follow because we've were raised in this. And I

763
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: look at that and I go, Yeah, a lot of

764
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: people are out there and they do things that other

765
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: people think are stupid. Like that's that's where are like

766
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: the touch points between us and other hunters, like in

767
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: person or on platforms like this. I think that's where

768
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: this stuff matters, you know, because there are people that

769
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 1: just there's some people who are assholes, right, they're gonna

770
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: just do what they want. But a lot of people

771
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: just don't know, Like they don't know that you don't

772
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: park right in front of the trail ahead and walk

773
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: out like there, you know. I mean, if you want to,

774
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: if you want to see people do stupid stuff that

775
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: just aren't thinking about other people, go to any random

776
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: public boat access on July fourth weekend, you know what

777
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean. Like you will see infuriating behavior. And some

778
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: of it is these people are clueless, and some of

779
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: it is they just don't know any better, Like maybe

780
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: they got their first boat and they've never done this before,

781
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: and so it's like kind of up to us to

782
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: just be like, we gotta little police our own a

783
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: little bit and just kind of usher them in the

784
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: right direction or what we hope is the right direction. Yea.

785
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe I'm a little bit naive, but I

786
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: think most people just don't know. Like if they knew,

787
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: they would want to be a bit more considerate about things.

788
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: So at least that's what I choose to believe. So

789
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I really think, you know,

790
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: it's so easy. It's so easy to go into hunting,

791
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, whether whether it's white tail or whatever, and

792
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: expect something bad to happen, you know, Like this is

793
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: what happens in public land a lot as people go

794
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: out and they're just thinking, well, you know, somebody's going

795
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: to ruin my hunt, or it's not gonna be any

796
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: good because there's been a bunch of idiots out here,

797
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: and so they don't hunt the way they should, and

798
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: it's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. Or if you know,

799
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: you pull up there and there are two or three

800
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: other trucks in the parking area, it's you get into

801
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: a bad headspace and you're not gonna hunt the way

802
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: you need to. It doesn't do you any good, like

803
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, and it those just this is so random.

804
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: But I've I've had a dog training buddy who I

805
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: had on my other podcast, and he was awesome, but

806
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: he was a hothead. He has a he has a

807
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: cabin and a lake up by where we're at. And

808
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: he passed away last year right before duck season. And

809
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: when I got the text, I texted, you know, the

810
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: person back and I was like, was it a Was

811
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: it a heart attack? And she said yeah, And I

812
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: was like yeah, because he was running so hot and

813
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: so angry over so much little stuff that you know,

814
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not a doctor, right, there's probably a million

815
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: reasons why you had a heart attack. But when you

816
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: see that, it's like, it really wasn't worth it to

817
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: live that way. And he wasn't that old. And so

818
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: I see some of these people get so worked up

819
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: over this, and like, like you said, hunting is a

820
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: freaking gift, Like it's we could lose this ship at

821
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: any moment, and you know, the opportunity to live a

822
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: life like your living, and the opportunity to live a

823
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: life like I'm living or just have it be your escape.

824
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: That's there's only so many generations left and that's going

825
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: to be gone, Like we should really learn to appreciate

826
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: it exactly. No, I can't. Couldn't agree more with that.

827
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: And I see probably because I grew up more on

828
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: the private land side of things. I do, like most

829
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: of my hunting heres on public land. But I see

830
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: it a lot with fishing. So growing up in Florida

831
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: on fishing spots, you get people there up set coming

832
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: in and it's just really not worth it. Well, I know,

833
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: and it's it's weird, right because it's not like there

834
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: aren't lots of places to fish and you know, but

835
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: down there and people get very territorial and I get it,

836
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: but it's just it's the same thing again, like you know,

837
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: we we we were talking about before this podcast that

838
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: everybody has a freaking boat now and everybody has the

839
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: ability to go out and buy like a decent garment

840
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: unit or something they can find. I mean, you can

841
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: get a five dollar app on your phone and find

842
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: every every structure underneath the water on any lake you want.

843
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the information is out there, so you

844
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: gotta go. Okay, Well, am I gonna mind to do

845
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: something different? Am I to get up earlier? Am I

846
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: gonna fish a little different strategy, a little tap like

847
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: change my tactics. What are you gonna do to just

848
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: make up for the fact that everybody has the same information.

849
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: There's more people out there? Yeah, yeah, instead of just

850
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: getting just redlining and it's screaming, shaking your fist at

851
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: the sky. Uh, what's what's what's it like down in

852
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: New Zealand right now? Or is what's what's the coronavirus

853
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: situation down there? Oh, we don't have COVID here, but

854
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: we also don't have very many vaccines, so just some

855
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: of the older folks are able to get vaccines now

856
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean sorry, I mean like, what what's the tourist situation?

857
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: Can you get in or not? No? So the borders

858
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: were open with Australia, but I think they're closed now,

859
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: at least from Sydney they're closed. And yeah, um, so

860
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: we're just we just have Kiwi clients, which is really good.

861
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: I think. Uh, myself and my boss are the only

862
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: two hunting guides that I know of that are still

863
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: able to be full time, so that's pretty good. So

864
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: you just have you have local local hunters hunting what

865
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: tar and red stag or what are they hunting? We're

866
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: mainly doing tar, just because that seems to be a

867
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: bit more of the market. We have a really cool

868
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: opportunity that we lease a private station with lots of

869
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: public land tops and it's up in really cool country,

870
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: but having the farm access up the river bed makes

871
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: it more accessible. Um. So it actually comes out to

872
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: be about the same price as flying if you want

873
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: to do it with a group flying in and flying

874
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: food and beverages in for for the time to go

875
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: hunt other public land tops. In this way, you don't

876
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: have to pay the geography in and we have a

877
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: really awesome hut you know, no electricity, um, but really

878
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: really comfortable because it's insulated with a fire. So that

879
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: just makes all the difference for winter hunting because it's

880
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: it's winter now, so the ruts just about the batar

881
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: is just about over, but they're still kind of high

882
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: up this time of year, so it's pretty fun. Before

883
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: before everything got shut down, what was your client base like,

884
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: where where were they coming from? Mainly Americans and then

885
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: Germans would be the second biggest Europeans, but mainly Germans

886
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: all right. Were they mostly rifle hunters? Yes, yeah. So

887
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: my boss that I worked for for the chart doesn't

888
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: take those hunters. He doesn't like no no, And I

889
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: don't blame him, Um, I don't blame him at all,

890
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: especially for how he works, because um, I did have

891
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: a client last week that killed a tar with with

892
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: one shot with the three but that was this whole year,

893
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: three shots has been the fewest shots to finish guitar

894
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: um just because they're so tough. They've got this big

895
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: main do and I think that that really takes away

896
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the speed before it even gets to

897
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: their their thick shield. It's almost like a pig um

898
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: their skin. And they're just such hardy animals, so um

899
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: and really really big open country. So I took my

900
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: bow up I had in between hunts. I went further

901
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: up the valley to some of the public land and

902
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: I was going to tried to shoot guitar and I

903
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: chickened out because of my clients the week before having

904
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: so much trouble with a gun and I was finishing

905
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: everything with the knife, and I just just like, I'm

906
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: not not comfortable to playing an arrow at this animal

907
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: um right now. So I'm gonna, well, but not not

908
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: even taking the bow out. Yeah, they do. They do

909
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: a lot with compound bows and and I think it's

910
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: definitely doable with a trad bow, and um, I think

911
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: my dad will give it a try. But I just

912
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: I guess I had a bad enough week guiding with

913
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: having trouble killing animals, but wasn't in the right frame

914
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: of mind to take my bow out for him. So well,

915
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: that's it's so interesting to hear you say that, because

916
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: there's whether we whether we want to or not, we

917
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: internalize things. And so when you're when you're exposed to

918
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: that and you're guiding rifle hunters and you see them

919
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: that a certain animals soak up a lot of firepower,

920
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: a lot of lead, it's in your heart you're like,

921
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: I think I can get one of these with the bow,

922
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: but you know, like what they're capable of, and so

923
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: you kind of internalize that and go, I don't know

924
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: if this is you know, like you call yourself off

925
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: of that. That's interesting. Yeah, And the other thing is

926
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: this time of year, over the winter. Um, I mentioned

927
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: that they're a bit higher, so a lot of times

928
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: the old bulls will live down in lower scrub and

929
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: it's really doable for our tree hunters, but this time

930
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 1: of year when they're running, they go up to much

931
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: steeper country where big family mobs of nanny slipt um,

932
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: and they're a bit more in the open, but still

933
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: it's steep enough you can. You know, bow hunting still doable.

934
00:48:54,600 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: It's more challenging. But the worst part is re covery

935
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: such a real factor where you shoot an animal for

936
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: recovering it. And if you shoot them with a bow

937
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: and they go, you know, a hundred yards or two

938
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: hundred yards, well, are you gonna be able to get

939
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: to them? You have no idea where they're going to go.

940
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: So drop you're talking super high elevation, steep stuff, right,

941
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: really steep, really really steep, and you know ice this

942
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: time of year in snow, and yeah, there's just a

943
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: lot of places that you can't get to. So I

944
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: had a tar the other week that we shot and

945
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: it slid down and it hooked by its horns um

946
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: and we had to tie it up two shoulder cape

947
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: it and skin it, and then we untied it and

948
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: gave it one push and it just free fell. We

949
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: couldn't see it, and then we heard it hit something

950
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: and then free fall a bunch more and hit something.

951
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: So like that's the sort of country that we're in. Um,

952
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, it makes you think before you bring a

953
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 1: bow out, that's for sure. And it's definitely doable other

954
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: times the year Um, after the rut by September especially,

955
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: old bulls are back down really low and thick, bushy

956
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: scrub and you just never really see them. But if

957
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: you you found a good area spent a lot of

958
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: time there, you probably get an opportunity. So does it

959
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 1: do you run into any any issues? And maybe issues

960
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: is the wrong word here, but you hunt with a

961
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: very interesting set up and you're guiding rifle hunters. Are

962
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: you ever just like, hey, come on, guys, why don't

963
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: you hunt with a real weapon or you just keep

964
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: your mouth shut and take your tips and just let

965
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: it go. Yeah, yeah, I definitely definitely keep my mouth shutting,

966
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: definitely take my tips. That sounds bad, But in your head,

967
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: are you like, come on, guys cuiping in such pansies

968
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: and hunt with a real weapon. No, Because it's such

969
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: a challenge in its own way, and everybody has their

970
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: different Um, what's a challenge for them and what they

971
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: enjoy doing. I um have been doing because I've been

972
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: guiding so many of these and it's a real social hunt.

973
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: These tops hunts I call like adventure hunting versus I

974
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: think the bush stocking and the still hunting with the

975
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: bow is a lot Well, obviously it's not something you

976
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: can do with two people, really, I don't think, And

977
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: it's yeah, you're very in the moment versus on these

978
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: big walks you're spending a lot of time just covering

979
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: ground where you're not really worried about your movement and

980
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: things and you can talk and um, it's more the

981
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: challenges of the train in the country. So if that's

982
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: what people are after, it's an awesome challenge in itself.

983
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: It's just a different sort of hunting. It's kind of like,

984
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if I said this on

985
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: the other podcast, because I tell quite a few people

986
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: this hunting is like saying that you play a sport

987
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: with a ball, you know, are you playing pool or

988
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: are you playing football? Like, yeah, it's it's pretty different,

989
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: so different ways to go about it. Let's let's talk

990
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: about your bow choice. Okay, well I have it here.

991
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: It's not strong, so it's um made with more like

992
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: it has fiberglass and modern day materials. But it's a

993
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: Turkish hornbow style, So which is West Asian recurve. It's

994
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: a West Asian recurve, a mounted Dartrey bow. So this

995
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: is new since the last one. This one's I think

996
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: sixty two pounds um, so it's a bit. I had

997
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: another one made that was another ten pounds stronger, just

998
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 1: for New Zealand game. And what you say, it's it's

999
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: a West West Asian or Western Asian. What did you say?

1000
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: It was? Yep, a West Asian recurve kind of is

1001
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: the model of it, good girl. And it's a mounted

1002
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: bow and you keep saying that now our listeners don't

1003
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: know what that means. Yes, okay, So I used to

1004
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: do a sport called mounted archery. So it's where you're

1005
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: running on a horse shooting targets um pretty close ten

1006
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: fifteen yards away, and you hold a bunch of arrows

1007
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: in your hand and you shoot quickly because you're moving

1008
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: by a target. And I just love that that point

1009
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: and shoot style, and it feels so natural and it's

1010
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: something that you don't have to think about. You don't

1011
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: have to think about the animals movement as much getting

1012
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: a still shot with them, you don't have to think

1013
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: about your movement. I think I mentioned on another podcast

1014
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: with you, Um I shot a turkey that was I

1015
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: was moving and it was moving, so um that was cool.

1016
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: It's just your mind takes in all that and you

1017
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: don't have to think about it when you shoot. This

1018
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: is like like shotgunning for birds, right, there's a lot

1019
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: of that. You just do it enough. It's true instinctive shooting.

1020
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: And so this this mounted recurve that you're talking about,

1021
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: what what does it measure? Tip to tip? First, I

1022
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: know you're showing it to me, but the people can't,

1023
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: you know. I'm just trying to trying to think. Would

1024
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: that be like three three? It's pretty short, yeah, so

1025
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: not it wouldn't be as long as it would be

1026
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: about from my tip of my fingers to about my drawing,

1027
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: I'd say really short. Similar and and designed. You know,

1028
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: the history of those bows is shooting them from horseback.

1029
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: And you know you said that you did this as

1030
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: a you know, as a sport, but it's really really

1031
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 1: a unique choice. There's probably what you and about seven

1032
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: other people who hunt with these. Yeah, and it's it's

1033
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: really got its challenges. I think the biggest one that

1034
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm finding is my distance. I'm just not comfortable taking

1035
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: longer shots, and I think a lot of that is

1036
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: also my um desire to really make an ethical shot.

1037
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: And coupled with that, I'm shooting a really heavy broad

1038
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: head with a stiff arrow, much stiffer than you would

1039
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: for my poundage of a bow. Because of that heavy

1040
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: broad head head, are you shooting it's two grain because

1041
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: it's a hundred with a still insert so um and

1042
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: so you have no problems with front of center. You

1043
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: get you got a plenty of weight up there. Yep, yep,

1044
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: exactly so, but it's just loses speed really quickly. So

1045
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: and just because it's such a short bow and I'm

1046
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: not shooting with a mechanical release. I use a thumb

1047
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: instead of three fingers because it's only one point of contact,

1048
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: but it's still uh little differences and it's a really

1049
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: light bow. So that stability problem to like my problem

1050
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: shooting because I record myself when I'm shooting and I

1051
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: look at it, it's all from my left hand holding

1052
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: the bow too tightly. Pretty much all my problems um

1053
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: when I'm practicing at home come from that. And so

1054
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that little differences have a lot

1055
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: bigger impact because it's light and because it's short. So

1056
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: you have issues because you you don't hold this. You know,

1057
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: when we when we talk about compound shooting, we talk

1058
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: about you know, grip what you're talking about and introducing

1059
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: some torque in there, you know, by by gripping it

1060
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: too tightly. But also you know, we've got bubble levels

1061
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: and we've got multiple you know, anchor point We've got

1062
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: we've got different points of reference to show us we're

1063
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: holding this thing the same exact way every time. But

1064
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: you're not doing that with these bows, right Like, there's no,

1065
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: it's not consistent that way, right No. And I'm probably

1066
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: getting a bit more consistent because i haven't been practicing

1067
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: from a horse. I've been practicing a lot of stationary

1068
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 1: stuff for hunting, and I've been practicing, um, actually holding

1069
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: my draw, just getting prepared for different shot that I

1070
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: might need to take a bit more. But it's still

1071
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: it's still not stationary against myself. It's still a floating rest.

1072
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: So but I am trying to be more consistent with

1073
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: that floating rest and Um, the biggest thing that I

1074
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: do that helps me is to do that little bit

1075
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: of a what we talked about with the male arrow,

1076
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: the positive pull through and push through, and that little

1077
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: bit of movement for me at the shot helps to

1078
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: keep my release more consistent and crisper. So those are

1079
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: some of the things I've been working with. So you

1080
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: you said, you know, compounds way too easy. Rifle is

1081
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: obviously way too easy. Traditional normal, traditional archie way too easy.

1082
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: You're going to shoot a bowl that is designed to

1083
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: be shot off horseback, but you're gonna shoot it in

1084
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: all of your different sneaking around, hunting down in New

1085
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: Zealand everywhere else. What's what's your range with that sucker? Yeah?

1086
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm me myself to ten yards, okay, yeah,

1087
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: and that's so I might be pushed out to fifteen

1088
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: yards and I have shot things at fifteen yards and

1089
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: even over twenty yards with the old bow. But um,

1090
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: it's just what I've decided to tell myself now, Um,

1091
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: is I'd like to try to get ten yards from

1092
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: the animal and your what did you call it? Bush creeping?

1093
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: What was the word you said? I'm still hunting pretty much,

1094
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: so you're bush stocking a variety. You know. That's the

1095
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: cool thing about New Zealand is a variety animals to

1096
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: hunt down there, and you're trying to get within ten

1097
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: yards of them to shoot them with this bow. Yeah,

1098
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: that's just they're big animals and it's a little bow,

1099
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure I take the best

1100
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: shot that I can. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's it's

1101
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: it's really cool. I mean and want to ask you.

1102
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: I know this, this has come up a lot in

1103
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: other places, and I know Rogan's pushing this book, but

1104
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: I just finished this, this book, Empire of the Summer Moon,

1105
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: about the Comanches, and you know there their whole thing,

1106
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, when they really took off was they figured

1107
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: out how to shoot from a horseback, and they figured

1108
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: out how to shoot rapid fire, and it shoots from

1109
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: a position where they were shooting under the horse's neck

1110
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: at full speed with a with a fistful of arrows,

1111
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like Semiato style. And I don't

1112
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: know this, I should have looked this up beforehand, but

1113
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: I have to assume their bows were probably they probably

1114
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: were built similarly to what you're shooting. Do you do

1115
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, I do not know, I believe that they're

1116
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: a bit longer. Um, just I think that in North

1117
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: America we shot longer bows versus this Asian style is

1118
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: a bit a bit shorter, and that would help with

1119
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: distance and um stability and everything as well for them.

1120
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: So I'd have to look up what they were shooting

1121
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: to know for sure. I even know the Japanese mounted

1122
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: archer shoot really really long both. So, um, there's there's

1123
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: quite a few different designs that were made to be

1124
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: shot off horses. But why did this, Why did your

1125
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: just the design of the bows you shoot, why did

1126
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: they get so short? Then? Um, I'm not sure why.

1127
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: To be honest, I think that just they're a lot

1128
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: easier to handle on a horse. So the Mongolians and um,

1129
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: everything did everything from horseback, so they probably wanted something

1130
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: that was just easy on the horse. Huh. It's it's

1131
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: interesting anybody who's listening to this, who's like, I have

1132
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: no idea what the hell they're talking about. You're just

1133
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: gonna look them up, Just just just go to YouTube

1134
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: look them up, because it's it's it doesn't look like

1135
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that you could possibly shoot well,

1136
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: and yet people do. Yeah, yeah, people shoot them amazingly well,

1137
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: and when I was shooting a lot practicing. My dad

1138
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: and I play archery golf when I'm home. So what

1139
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: we do is we tie a bottle cap hanging from

1140
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: like a bush, so it's like a bottle cap by

1141
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: a piece of floss in the wind. It's kind of

1142
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: a hard target to shoot, and you know, you can

1143
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: get consistently where you're hitting something like that with these bows, um,

1144
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. How often do you target practice?

1145
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, how often do you shoot when when I

1146
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: am really seriously hunting with it, I probably am shooting

1147
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: and try to shoot like three times a day. Like

1148
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: when I was in school, I shooted in the morning

1149
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: before classes, you know, after class again before bed, at

1150
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: least three like sessions of shooting. And right now it's

1151
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm pretty bad about it because I've been well, I

1152
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: just got back yesterday from a hunt, so I've been

1153
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: in the bush, um, working and guiding. And it's not

1154
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,479
Speaker 1: something like even if I did have a second where

1155
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing a chore, doing a job or trying

1156
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: to headskin things or get things ready. Um, I kind

1157
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: of have to be social, Like I can't just go

1158
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: off by myself and practice shooting. So um, I haven't

1159
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: been practicing as much lately. Yeah, well, I mean you

1160
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: gotta work, Yeah, I gotta work. I mean, yeah, we're

1161
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: opposite seasons to y'all. So this is our busy season

1162
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: was from March until and it's still going given a

1163
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: bit of the law. But so, how how come you

1164
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 1: haven't hunted the white tails down there in New Zealand yet? Yeah?

1165
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: Good question and just laziness on my part. So the

1166
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: hunting the white tails isn't the really big draw to

1167
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: me because there's so many cool species here that I

1168
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: haven't shot or hunted and that I would love to

1169
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: hunt with a bow. Um, and probably it's much more

1170
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: accessible areas for where I live because there's only two

1171
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: populations of white tail in New Zealand and the one

1172
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: that I would really like to hunt on Stewart Island.

1173
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: Uh requires a boat to get there and you have

1174
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: to book the blocks about a year ahead of time.

1175
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: So it's a bit of planning and a lot of

1176
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: my work is pretty last minute right now with KIWI,

1177
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: so I have to keep a pretty open schedule. But

1178
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: I do I need to go down there and do it,

1179
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: because not not for shooting the white Tail, but the experience.

1180
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm one of those people I'm kind of bad

1181
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: at just going in sight seeing. I'm not a hiker.

1182
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: I love hiking with a weapon or even a camera

1183
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: in my hand, but I like having the purpose. So

1184
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: white Tail would give me the purpose to get down

1185
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: into a really really spectacular part of New Zealand and

1186
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: a place that I'd like to see and spend time in. Um,

1187
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: whether or not I shoot anything. But so you haven't

1188
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: been down there where? Nope? No, how did How did

1189
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: the white Tails get there? So Theodore Roosevelt? Yeah, Um,

1190
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: Theodore Roosevelt actually gifted them to New Zealand, So that's

1191
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: pretty cool. In the early nineteen o four or five,

1192
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: and he gave twenty two that were trapped in snow

1193
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: in Missouri, I think, um put him on a boat

1194
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: and eighteen of them made it, which is pretty cool

1195
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: because that's before the Panama Canal, so they had to

1196
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: go along. Um. Yeah, they took a real ride and

1197
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: they came into the South part of New Zealand and

1198
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 1: nine of them, um so two bucks and the rest

1199
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: seven does two bucks on Stewart Island and two bucks

1200
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: and seven does on um Lake what what something anyway,

1201
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: where the other herd is up up towards actually where

1202
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: I live, um, but that herds a little bit less

1203
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: accessible because a lot of it's on private land and

1204
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: the public land is super super bluffy, and while there

1205
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: are white tails still there, it's um not as ideal

1206
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: as the private land around it for them to live.

1207
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: So there's more that are on those private blocks. So

1208
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: those all, all of the white tails down there in

1209
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: New Zealand are descendants from that the gift from Teddy. Yeah. Yeah,

1210
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: And I haven't hunted them, but I've heard from people

1211
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: that you can really see like similar traits on the

1212
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: left side. They don't have p fort I can't remember,

1213
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: but you can see some like huge similarities in the

1214
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: racks because they all came from those nine deer that

1215
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: were in that area, and the populations have taken off.

1216
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: They're huge, especially done in Stewart Island. The hunting pressure

1217
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: from recreational hunters doesn't really seem to be enough to

1218
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: keep the population in check because there's no native predators

1219
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: there anything. So they do quite a bit with professional

1220
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: callers and it's not the target of the Tenadie drops,

1221
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: but they do do aerial Tenadie, which is a poison

1222
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: drops for possums and predators Pastewart Islands and island. It's

1223
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: pretty pristine. They have an awesome Kiwi bird population so

1224
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: that you can even see kiwi's out in the day,

1225
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: which is a big thing for New Zealand. They're really

1226
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: threatened so to protect it, let's let's pretend like you're

1227
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: talking to some idiot from Minnesota who has no idea

1228
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. So you have an island down

1229
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: there has a population of white tails on it, but

1230
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: also has invasive possums, right, and they're dropping poison on

1231
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: the possums and that's killing some of the deer. Yep,

1232
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: so the deer will eat the Tenadie as well. So

1233
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: it's some thing that they're not really worried about because

1234
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: they're they're paying people to call them to shoot them

1235
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: as well, um to keep the population in check because

1236
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: it's a pretty pristine environment. It's really uh. For as

1237
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: big as the island is, it's fairly untouched by humans

1238
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: and they've got some really awesome plant species and bird

1239
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: species that don't exist in any place else. So they do.

1240
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: Actually the white tail population in New Zealand is probably

1241
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: studied more than any of the other Dear, I don't

1242
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: want to say that for sure, but it's really well

1243
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: studied because they want to determine their effect on the

1244
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: native vegetation as as their browsing and things. So they

1245
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: have a number that they've determined as like acceptable to

1246
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: be there, and they use other means, um, commercial shooting,

1247
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: professional shooting to help keep that number where they want it.

1248
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: Just without predators. It's completely different, dear, Dear, pest here.

1249
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: So there's like, if you look up online, you can

1250
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: read a lot about how to effectively hunt, because it's

1251
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: all how to effectively manage pest species. But it will

1252
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: tell you tapes of information about what they're eating and

1253
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: where they are, what times of year and on that

1254
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: island down there there's public land there. Yeah, so it's

1255
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: all public land. Um, it's just you have to book

1256
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 1: your block and it's like booked out a year ahead

1257
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: of time. It's a pretty popular thing for kiwi's to

1258
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: go down and do a kiwi not the birds, the

1259
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: people than New Zealanders. So um, they love it. It's

1260
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: really like Sportsman's well in New Zealand. All New Zealand's

1261
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: kind of like a sportsman's paradise. But the diving is

1262
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: just exceptional, the fishing is just exceptional, and then you

1263
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to hunt a species that you can't

1264
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: hunt other places in New Zealand. So it's a pretty

1265
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: big draw. And has anybody ever go in bow hunt him?

1266
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: Or is it mostly rifle? No? No, quite a quite

1267
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: a few. The compound bow um is becoming a much

1268
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: bigger thing here in New Zealand than it was, and

1269
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: it's it's ideal country for bow hunting anyway, because it's

1270
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: a lot of bush. Most of the deer shot within

1271
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: like a hundreds of the coast, so a lot of

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01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: deer shot. Probably most of the deer would actually be

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01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: shot on the beach because they come out and they

1274
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: eat the seaweed on the shore. The white tail do there.

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, how big did they get down there?

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01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: Do you know? Um? They're pretty small, I think similar

1277
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: size to Florida, So like maybe a hundred and twenty

1278
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: for a buck and eighty pounds for dough sort of yeah,

1279
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: pretty little, Yeah, pretty small, And same thing with the racks,

1280
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: like anything that scored over a hundred would just be

1281
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: a golly wamper a monster? Is that a New Zealand word. No.

1282
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: We had one client like three years ago where I

1283
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: work that he's from the States and he called things

1284
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: golly woffers, and my boss and I just keep on

1285
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: using it as a joke. So it's become one of

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01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: those things that you use enough as a joke and

1287
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: now you actually say it. So I love that. So

1288
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: when are you going to get down there and hunt

1289
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: those deer on the island? And good question, Well, um,

1290
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: depends how long the border stay close, because I would

1291
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: like to. I would have liked to have gone to

1292
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: Canada for this season, but a bit of a tricky

1293
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: situation travel wise. I won't have very much work at

1294
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: all over the spring in the summer, so that might

1295
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: be a good opportunity, even though things will be cast then.

1296
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: But just to do some hunting for a dough with

1297
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: my bow myself, that would be pretty cool. And having

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01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: no seasons here makes it so accessible. Um. I have

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01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 1: enough friends that maybe somebody will have a block booked

1300
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: and I could go on a trip with someone. If not,

1301
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: I'll have to plan a bit in advance to get

1302
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: a block. So the hunting down there there's public land,

1303
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: but you've got to reserve your spot. And is it

1304
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's big country. Is there are you

1305
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: doing like kind of a uh, you know, backcountry bavy

1306
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: type hunting camping out there? How how are you like logistically,

1307
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: how do you go about it? Okay, So there's a

1308
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: bunch of different ways, and I have hunted a bunch

1309
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: of different ways. So for the Stewart Island, for the

1310
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: white Tail, you book your block and they have huts.

1311
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: They have a hut there. Um, you can bring a

1312
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: tent as well because I'm not sure how many bunks

1313
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: are in the hut. And normally you would come in

1314
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: with your friends. It's like a fairly big party. And

1315
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: then you all go to different sections so you're not

1316
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 1: hunting over each other. Um, and you know the end reaches.

1317
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: But even on your phone you can get maps so

1318
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: you can know the boundaries of where you're hunting without

1319
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: intruding on other parties and things. So that's really important

1320
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: to make sure that you know where you can hunt

1321
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: and where where you're intruding on somebody else. Um. But

1322
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: like I said, the coastline is where a lot of

1323
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: it's happening there. But it's really comfortable because the weather

1324
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: gets pretty bad. You're off an island, off the south

1325
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: tip of the South Island, so you're getting it's not Arctic,

1326
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: but you're getting towards there, so it can be pretty

1327
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: bad weather sometimes. Um, and the white tail don't like

1328
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: the wind and the nasty weather at Allso, um, when

1329
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: do they run down there? Do you know? Yeah? I

1330
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: do know. So they'll start the end of April, but

1331
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: through May all the way to the end of May. June. Yeah,

1332
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: it's a different time of year anyway. Anyway, you can

1333
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: get the government down there to open up those borders.

1334
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: We can come down and yeah, crazy next year, they

1335
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: need to pass out the vaccines before. I think they're

1336
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna let the borders open just but we'll see, we'll see.

1337
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 1: We're hoping. I mean, our industry might work really relies

1338
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: heavily on the borders opening, so it would be great

1339
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: if they could. But yeah, this is a this is

1340
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: a bad situation for a lot of outfitters. I mean,

1341
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, the big question here is is Canada gonna open?

1342
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: Canada gonna open, you know, and they rely so heavily

1343
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 1: on American sportsmen there, and you know, in some places

1344
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: from Europe too. And you know when you when you

1345
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 1: get your business shut down for two full seasons, it's

1346
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: like that's tough to weather. Yeah. Yeah. I was talking

1347
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: to who I was going to be working for in

1348
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,560
Speaker 1: Canada about potentially coming over, and he had some Canadian clients,

1349
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, it's almost not worth running the camp

1350
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: for what he can charge the Canadians versus the international

1351
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 1: is a lot better. It's it's a rough deal. Uh breathe.

1352
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: This has been so much fun. Um, where what's the

1353
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: outfitter you work for? In case people who are listening

1354
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: this can never actually get down there and go hunting,

1355
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 1: you ever let us in? So I work for two

1356
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: places where you can bow hunt. That's where I actually

1357
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: live and I'm right now where I rent a house,

1358
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: and that's Glendan Hunting and Fishing UM in New Zealand.

1359
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: And then where I've been doing the tars for Southern

1360
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: Mountain Adventures. And he doesn't like bow hunters, but if

1361
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: you want to go for an epic mountain experience, he's great.

1362
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: So beautiful country. Yeah awesome. Well, thank you so much

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01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: for coming on. I really appreciate it. Sweet Thanks Tony.

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Speaker 1: Great talk catching up. That's it for this week, folks.

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01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,519
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01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,360
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