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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This is episode number two hundred

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Speaker 1: and ten, and today we are joined by white Tail

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Speaker 1: Habitat consultant and author Jeff Sturgis, and we're diving deep

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Speaker 1: into his strategic, detail oriented perspective on improving white tail

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Speaker 1: habitat for deer and deer hunting. Welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show we're talking whitetail habitat improvements.

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Speaker 1: And joining me to discuss this is Jeff Sturgis. Now,

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Speaker 1: hopefully you're already familiar with the Jeff. He's been on

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Speaker 1: the podcast a couple of times. Is back towards the beginning,

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Speaker 1: but if you're not familiar. He's the author of three

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Speaker 1: white tail hunting and habitat related books, those being white

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Speaker 1: Tail Success by Design, Food Plot Success by Design, and

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Speaker 1: Mature Buck Success by Design. He's also the man behind

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Speaker 1: the white Tail Habitat Solutions website and YouTube channel, and

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Speaker 1: a Traveling white Tail Habitat consultant, and of all the

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Speaker 1: people out there talking about food plots and improving habitat

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Speaker 1: and work in the land and stuff like that, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I think, is without a doubt, probably been one of

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Speaker 1: the most influential people on me. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: because he has this very unique and strategic way of

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Speaker 1: thinking about habitat work that really intrigues me. I guess

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Speaker 1: nothing he does is by chance, nothing's random. Everything's done

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Speaker 1: with this larger picture in mind. Everything kind of fits

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Speaker 1: together like an individual piece part of a larger puzzle.

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Speaker 1: And that's fascinating me. I love the the amount of

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Speaker 1: care and mindfulness he puts into the work he does

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Speaker 1: on a property. A big part of why white tail

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Speaker 1: hunting is so fascinating and exciting to me is this puzzle.

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Speaker 1: It's it's putting all these pieces together, and when you

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Speaker 1: put the habitat part of it into the equation, it

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Speaker 1: just makes things even more interesting. So that is what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about with Jeff today, the strategic, kind

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Speaker 1: of tactical way to go about thinking and making habitat

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Speaker 1: improvements on your hunting property. I think you're really gonna

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. I really enjoyed this one. But before we

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Speaker 1: get into that, rather than doing our usual pregame show,

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Speaker 1: since Dan can't join us, we're not going to do that.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to kind of address a question I

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Speaker 1: got last weekend. UM. I was on another podcast. I

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Speaker 1: was on the Meat Either podcast, and I was asked

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Speaker 1: if I thought baiting and food plots essentially equate to

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Speaker 1: the same thing. And I gave an answer kind of

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Speaker 1: off the cuff, and looking back on that now, I

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Speaker 1: but I do know I don't feel I didn't feel

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Speaker 1: good about my final answer. I didn't feel like it

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Speaker 1: really made sense. UM. So I've been thinking about that

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Speaker 1: since then, like how do our bathing and food plots different,

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Speaker 1: or like what do I really think? Um? And I

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Speaker 1: wanted to somehow be able to communicate that better. So

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Speaker 1: I thought I'd take a stab at sharing with you

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Speaker 1: guys some of my thoughts on this, and I'll say

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Speaker 1: we're off the get go. I'm not saying that one

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Speaker 1: or the other is is good or bad. UM. I

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Speaker 1: personally don't bait. I've chosen not to use bait simply

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Speaker 1: because that doesn't fit into what I'm looking for out

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Speaker 1: of my hunting experience. But I'm not gonna hate on

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Speaker 1: anyone who does bait in an area where it's legal, um,

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Speaker 1: and where they've you know, shown there's if there's not

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Speaker 1: going to be any disease concerns or anything. If it's

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Speaker 1: legal and you want to do it, more power to you.

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Speaker 1: I have family members who do, and I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: So when I was asked this question, I said, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that food plots and baiting are the

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Speaker 1: a pile of corn, maybe dumped in a two ft

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Speaker 1: And I think one of those big things that you

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Speaker 1: I need to understand soil and water and rain and sun.

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Speaker 1: I get pulled into this natural cycle and I become

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Speaker 1: working and understanding habitat too. You're pulled into this this

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Speaker 1: That's just one interesting example. But all these things that

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Speaker 1: humbler folk may circumvent this restriction if they know how

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Speaker 1: to plant a pine. For example, one need be neither

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Speaker 1: So acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets,

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Speaker 1: It's it's a unique and a really cool way to

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Speaker 1: have a piece of property where I'm allowed to make

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Speaker 1: of a mindset of what you're going to relate to.

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Speaker 1: And what I'm really looking for is, you know, you're

433
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: starting to everything boils back down to food. Food is

434
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Speaker 1: what defines daily movement for deer. And and so I'm

435
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: looking if they're on board for food plots, are expanding

436
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: their food plot programs, and we're really starting at food first.

437
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: And if it makes sense of the food plots here,

438
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: meaning that we can plant food there, we can get

439
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: around it. We don't have to spook the deer that

440
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: are that are feeding on that plot. Then how does

441
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: that relate to a betting area, travel through that betting area?

442
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: And most importantly, once you have those definitions in place

443
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: of deer movement, then how does that relate to hunter access?

444
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: And so I'm going around the property and I'm basically

445
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: looking at all the habitat types. You for example, might

446
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: have a forty acre tag alter swamp. We don't need

447
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: to have a grid pattern and cross through that tag

448
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: alter swamp and look at everything. But I need to

449
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: really see how the edges of that tag Alter swamp

450
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: relate to the edge of that hardwoods, which relates to

451
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: that clear cut that they just put in, which relates

452
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: to a food plot. And where all those positions on

453
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: the property and how they can be used to basically

454
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: move during deer during the daylight hours, to define their use.

455
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: And then once that definition is made, then we can

456
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: define how people hunt. And it's not just you know,

457
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: it's a great stand location because it's a cruising funnel.

458
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: It's this is a good stand location because it's reasonable

459
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: to expect that this would be on the down winds

460
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: out of a buck betting area. Something you could use

461
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: in the morning. There's an intermediate stand where you can

462
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: use for cruising for bucks that are going to food

463
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: in the afternoon or coming from food in the morning. Um,

464
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: this is a stand location closer to food that you

465
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: can use in the evening. Might be able to target

466
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: does easily at a spot like that and successfully without

467
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: infringing that buck betting. And so it's you're putting this

468
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: all these pieces together, and then that gives you an

469
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: assemblage of stand locations that you can actually say, this

470
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Speaker 1: is a reasonable to think this is a morning stand,

471
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Speaker 1: as an afternoon stand, us, evening stand us and all

472
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: days stand. So as we put these pieces together out

473
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: of the property that day, I'm putting that together in

474
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: my head and then we get back at the end

475
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,719
Speaker 1: of the night and draw out that plan and use

476
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: the aerial photo and a fine point stylus and then

477
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: draw out that plan, discuss all those stand locations, happitent features,

478
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: water holes, mooscrapes, whatever might have been that fit for

479
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: them and their personality that resources everything, and then and

480
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: then go over those questions at the end of the night.

481
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: So we're really trying to put the pieces together, um

482
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: and tailoring it, uh too, on a very personal level

483
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: to that that individual client. Yeah. So so now what

484
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: if I'm just a regular guy or girl out there

485
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: on my own, on my property, how how would you

486
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: recommend someone You know, I've got thoughts on this, but

487
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: how would you recommend someone determine what's needed? You know,

488
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: how do I figure out where my week spots are

489
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: in my property if I if I don't have someone

490
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: like you who can go out there with some experience

491
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: and tell me, um, what are the things I should

492
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: be looking for or how do I know where to start?

493
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: Kind of if I'm trying to figure out what's the

494
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: how do I take in the big picture of my

495
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: property and figure out where to go where Step one

496
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: and two, Yeah, that's uh, that's a really good question

497
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: mark because you know, part of it is I feel

498
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: there are no secrets, and I think I have close

499
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: to six d articles on my site and we talked

500
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: about this and then YouTube videos and books. So when

501
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: I I keep notes out on the client properties, I

502
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: have about I don't know a hundred and fifty potential

503
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: articles or videos, you know, topic. I'm always finding new information.

504
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: But really what it boils down to is, yet we

505
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: can have all those concepts I try to discuss until

506
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: I can't discuss them anymore. I really try to give

507
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: as much information out there, but it boils down to

508
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: on a parcel, you can have too much food and

509
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: you can have too much cover. There's a great balance

510
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: of both. And once you have that balance, you're trying

511
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: to make the property as attractive and in the movement

512
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: of deer defined as much as possible in the person

513
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: so that you can still get on and off the

514
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: parcel without spooking the deer within that parcel. So really,

515
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: first you're looking at that balance. Um. You know, you could,

516
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: for example, clear cut your property create a lot of

517
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: brows um, but brows in itself doesn't define daily movement

518
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: unless it's in the wilderness area where there's really not

519
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: that that becomes or maybe on public land down the

520
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: Ohioway I hunted, or up in the upm Michigan where

521
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: that clear cut becomes corn field in the area, and

522
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: so that defines that daily movement. And so I'm looking

523
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: at how can you define daily movement which with a

524
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: food plot, iful plant it with the neighbors agg field,

525
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: but the egg fields are poor because they're always rotating. Um.

526
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,239
Speaker 1: They could be plowed under, they could be picked one

527
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: year not the other could be beans when you're corn

528
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: the next. So really I'm looking at if you have

529
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: a lot of great cover, we need to complement that

530
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: with food. And then I was on a property yesterday

531
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: for example, they had forty acres of food plots on

532
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: acres um and they really I'd like to them to

533
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: cut that down to probably twenty five acres of food,

534
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: provide more screening and cover a auldmost food sources, and

535
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: actually work on the quality of the cover that they have.

536
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: They had a lot of cover, but it needs to

537
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: be a higher level of quality cover, and then that

538
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: will help define where do your betting on a daily

539
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: basis and know whether they're feeding. So really you're looking

540
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: at that balance of food and cover and making sure

541
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: that you're not improving so much. Because you can imagine,

542
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: just did a new video today, just shot at where

543
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: talked about daytime properties and nighttime properties. There's a lot

544
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: of nighttime properties, and some of the biggest nighttime properties,

545
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: meaning that's where the deer go after dark, which is

546
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: what you don't want to have, are some of the

547
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: most improved. Because imagine you attract all the deer in

548
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: the neighborhood because you have great native grass plantings, you

549
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: have really high quality food plots that you've completed to

550
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: a team, you've perfected. You have water holes, maybe even

551
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: mocked scrapes, travel corridors, acorns, orchard whatever you might have.

552
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: You have a lot of attractions in your personal but

553
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: you don't manage that level of attraction. And so because

554
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: you don't manage it, um you're you constantly set yourself

555
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: up for spooking deer. All the deer you've invited in

556
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: the neighborhood from a mile away, then you go in

557
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: and spook them in your Your property quickly becomes nocturnal.

558
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: So you're really trying to not only assess that bounce

559
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: of cover and food, But how can you position that

560
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: and define that movement on daily basis you can actually

561
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: hold those deer and keep from spooking them every time

562
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: you go out hunt, because ultimately the lowest hole in

563
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: the bucket is hunting pressure. How much hunting pressure you

564
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: apply on your property, and there's no amount of quality

565
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: habitat that can overcome that. In fact, a lot of times,

566
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: the higher the quality habitat, the more risk you have

567
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: of not being able to manage that attraction on your

568
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: personal and creating that nocturnal herd. Can you elaborate on

569
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: what's causing that nocturnal herd? Because you talked about spooking deer,

570
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: but can you I've heard you talk in the past

571
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: about the attract repel conundrum. Um, can you can you

572
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about that specifically? So? I

573
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: think what you're getting at is that you're saying you've

574
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: made all these great improvements, like a food plot or something,

575
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: but you haven't been strategic about where it is or

576
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: what your access is, and then you're walking past or

577
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: doing something like that. Can you can you elaborate or

578
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: expand on that? Sure? Sure, there's um. And there's a

579
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: lot to elaborate on that because um, for example, it's

580
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: not just the amount of food, it could be the

581
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: position of food. Uh And and obviously if you have

582
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: a giant food plot behind a cabin and every time

583
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: you go out in the morning, every time you come

584
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: back in the evening, you're spooking deer, then you're educating deer.

585
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: Um and and so food plot is a part of that.

586
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: You know, is that food plot on your on your

587
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: access trail going in and out of the land. And

588
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: because of that attraction of the food, which which a

589
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: food plot really uh per square inch is probably the

590
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: highest level of attraction that you can have on your property.

591
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: You know, some of the dry parcels. I'm sitting here

592
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: looking at four foot bluffs around my house in the

593
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: valley where I'm at and um and up there a

594
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: little water hole that's yell and think can be a

595
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: huge level of attraction. But a food plot is where

596
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: they come, they stay, and pretty easy to spook them off.

597
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: So um, if your food plots are setting yourself up

598
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: for uh spook and deer, then then they can really

599
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: be doing a lot more harm than good. But that

600
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: can be said for native grass plannings, betting areas UM.

601
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: And and then another thing is if you're creating betting

602
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: areas and food source UM, that that set yourself up

603
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: to actually spook deer that are on the way to

604
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: and from those areas. UM, then you can hurt yourself.

605
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: Or you're creating random movements, meaning that you have cover

606
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: on the inside, you're bringing them deer to food on

607
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: the outside, and then you're quickly sending those deer right

608
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: through over to your neighbors. UM. Your neighbor could have

609
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: a stand on the fence line that's actually spooking dear

610
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: on your property too because you have that food plot

611
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: on the edge. UM. And then andally in other things

612
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: you have, you know, the food can really the attractions

613
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: where they're located, piecing those attractions together, pushing deer into

614
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: or out of your line of movement. You're you're hunting access.

615
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: And then at the same time, the food plots that

616
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: are poorly located to infringe on your depth of cover.

617
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: And and what I mean by that is you can

618
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: have a forty acre personal and you're putting a five

619
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: acre food plot in the middle, and you can't go

620
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty five yards in any direction before

621
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: you're off your border, so you have to access your landing,

622
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: you have to house box and does on your parcel

623
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: if you want to try to hold them all in

624
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: that dred fifty five yards of depth and you just

625
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: run out of room where you can cut that parcel

626
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: in half, create twenty acres running lengthlies is still four

627
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: hundred and forty yards deep. Put that five acre parcel

628
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: of food plot or five acre food plot right in

629
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: the front of the parcel, and if you do the math,

630
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: you still have over three yards of depth of cover

631
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: behind that food plot where you can expect to house

632
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: uh dose box and then you can actually create an

633
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: assemblage of stands where you have backside of betting for

634
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: bucks and then does evening stands up closer to the food.

635
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: And because the food plot is positioned towards the front

636
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: of a parcel and you're you're maximizing your depth, that

637
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: twenty acres can be easier to manage your on and

638
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: actually manage your hunt. And that that larger forty acres

639
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: with the food poorly positioned in the middle, can you

640
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: elaborate with a lot of stuff, but depth depth of

641
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: cover can you elaborate on on what you mean by

642
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: that and why that's important? Sure? Yeah, I see one

643
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: thing that I firmly believe in is that as a

644
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: buck ages um, he really likes a more remote setting

645
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: for his daytime betting. And and I even find that

646
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: as a box said, and I've been able to observe

647
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: box around here at least up through eight years old.

648
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: And what's incredible is about some of these older box

649
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: is that their home range during the daylight hours seems

650
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: to really shrink. And I'm just going by a camera

651
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: observation where we had an eight year old buck that

652
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: over the five years we had pictures of them, several

653
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: hundred pictures. We had all but three or four of

654
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: those pictures out of one camera location. And now the

655
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: neighbors around us only saw that deer around that area

656
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: and it ended up being shot two hundred yards from there.

657
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: Um and so very defined. I look at as a

658
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: as an older bock, as a grumpy old man, you know,

659
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: the older he gets. And now I'm not saying my

660
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: dad is a grumpy old man. He's eight years old.

661
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: He's one of the kind of kind of men that

662
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: I know in my life Um. He's an awesome person,

663
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: but I do know as he's gotten older, he really

664
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: enjoys as alone time. He was able to sit with

665
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: my son Jake the last week UM in the house

666
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: and spend time with Jake and it was just the

667
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: two of them and everyone else is out of the house.

668
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: And my dad loved his time on the couch right

669
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: here just looking out at the hills, his quiet time.

670
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: And he really um seems to be want to be

671
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: left alone for the most part. He loves to be

672
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: social with the family and everything, but he really loves

673
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: to be left alone. He loves his Crossford puzzle time

674
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: as nap time. And I look at a mature bucks

675
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: that way. So if you have a parcel that you

676
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of depth on, meaning that a

677
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: big food source is the highest amount of stress to

678
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: a to a deer. Um as far as there'll only

679
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: go into a lot of times the last hour of

680
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: daylight hour and a half, that mature box only showing

681
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: up at at right at dark, there's a lot of

682
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: stress in and out of that food thought. With those

683
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: and fawns hunters gravitate towards that food, so it creates

684
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: a pretty stressful situation, and it seems like the more

685
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: stress you have at that food source, so larger the

686
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: food source, the more deer you have, then those box

687
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: just pushed further and further into the resources recesses of

688
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: the property. Now I also see like if you're down

689
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: to northern Ohio and you don't have a lot of

690
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: cover southern Michigan, northern Indiana, southern Wisconsin, northern Illinois, then

691
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: you can compact that movement where a buck doesn't have

692
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: to go a half mile away to find a remote

693
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: spot because a lot of times he doesn't have that

694
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: amount of cover available, So he might go three yards

695
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: off that food source at the most um and then

696
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: you go to transition into mixed agg you know, cover

697
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: and food, and you might find that buck goes back

698
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: yards and that's an acceptable distance from that remote from

699
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: that you know, high traffic food source. We're in the

700
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: upm Michigan. I've shot mature box that were three cores

701
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: a mile two mile back off of bait piles that

702
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: are in the hardware, and guys are getting their pictures,

703
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: the pictures of that buck at ten o'clock midnight, two

704
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: in the morning, and then I'm shooting at ten thirty

705
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: in the morning, three cores a mile away, back in

706
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: his honey hoole, back in his betting area, so that

707
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: that depth of cover required up in that big wilderness

708
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: land where dear use a lot of spaces actually close

709
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: for three coarters a mile. So if you're looking at

710
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: a small parcel that's forty acres and you're putting food

711
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: in the middle, and then you're allowing dose to bet

712
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: around that food, which is they can tolerate a lot

713
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 1: more stress than the herd heard mentality of those dos

714
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: than a mature box, then you really run out of

715
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: room for mature buck to potentially bet on the edge

716
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: of your property or within your property boundaries. And even

717
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: if you have a hundred acres or two acres, if

718
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: you're fragmenting that person with a lot of food and

719
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: a lot of different food plots, even though you have

720
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: a large parcel, you're creating such a stressful environment with

721
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: the amount of food on that parcel and the amount

722
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: of traffic in and out of that food by both

723
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: dose fons and hunters, then you really infringe on the

724
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: depth that you need to actually have a mature box.

725
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: And so that's one of the things that I I

726
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: take a good hard look at, and that's also what

727
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: I look at on public land. You know, I like,

728
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: if i'm if I have a perching spot, I'm looking

729
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: at working at a hunt an hour in forty five

730
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: minutes in and get in the middle of the cover

731
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: where there might be a mature box that um has

732
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: been pushed through or is preferred to bet in um

733
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: away from the high traffic hunting locations. So you're looking

734
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: at a pretty large depth of cover that you need

735
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: on publicly and versus private, and then trying to manage

736
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: the locations of your food sources on private land so

737
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: they're not infringing on your depth, your potential depth as

738
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: as much as possible. So what's what's like? And I

739
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: realized this is there's no cookie cutter there's no perfect

740
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: cookie cutter answer to this, because it's all dependent on

741
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: your situation. But but if you had to give me

742
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: like a cookie cutter answer as best as possible, what's

743
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: like the ideal way to position a set of improvements

744
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: so that you get these things you talked about so

745
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: you get that great depth of cover. But you you know,

746
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking about you talked about having food plots

747
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: too close to the edge of the property then sending

748
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: the deer to the neighbor, Like, what's the You had

749
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: to give a generic best way to position these things.

750
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: If you had like your perfect scenario, maybe what would

751
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: that look like. Well, a lot of times food works

752
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: really well near borders UM and borders meaning borders that

753
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: your neighbors don't have the cover on that will potentially

754
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: households deer during the day, So food plots close enough

755
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: to the border that you can still get around it

756
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: without spoken deer and your position in that food For example, UM,

757
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: I've had clients that had some great food plots up

758
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: near a school or near a factory, near subdivision, UM,

759
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: near an open egg field, where you're bringing deer out

760
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: of your cover and from fifty yards from your property

761
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: border so that they can hit that food source as

762
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: an afternoon food source that that um, you know, hour

763
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: before daylight food source, and then after dark they slip

764
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: out to the egg field, which is a safe location.

765
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: The opposite of that would be as if you put

766
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: a food horse on your neighbors on your border right

767
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: next to your neighbor that houses the best cover in

768
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: the area. Then you're potentially putting deer back on your

769
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: neighbor's property that relate to your food source, and you're

770
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: giving the neighbor of the daylight movement and the opportunity

771
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: to actually harvest the deer that are focusing on your

772
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: food plot. Um you know, after darker, at darker, just

773
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: before dark. Betting areas work really well next to um

774
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: high quality or high high pressure on your neighbors. And

775
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: so a lot of times, let's say your property was

776
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: along longer road, there's agg field to the south, you

777
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: had open woods, and then your neighbors have woods to

778
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: the north of view. The worst spot to put a

779
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: food plot would be at the back of your property

780
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: on the north side, right next to your neighbor's woods.

781
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: The best spot to put that food to be closer

782
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: to the road, so that you're actually holding deer on

783
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: your own land, letting them travel across the depth of

784
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: your land and then hit that food um, and then

785
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: potentially go to the agg fields out to the side.

786
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: You don't want to ever create a situation where you're

787
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: forcing gear across the road, but um, you know, maybe

788
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: your cabins are You're putting that food plot a safe

789
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: distance behind your cabin so that you can actually get

790
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: in and out of the cabin, get onto your property,

791
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: and not spook those deer out in that food plot.

792
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: But the food plot represents more of a dead end

793
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: of movement mean, meaning that they come out of the cover,

794
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: come across your land, hit that food, and then go

795
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: wherever after dark. Interesting. So through all this, and you've

796
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: mentioned this several times while even explaining some of these scenarios,

797
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: but you talk about defined movement UM and I and

798
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: I mentioned this early on, but part of what I'm

799
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: so fascinated about when it comes to how you approach

800
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: this is how you have everything kind of working together.

801
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: It's a it's a systemized approach. Some guys just put

802
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: a food plot where wherever they can put a food plot,

803
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: and then they put some bedding or they try to

804
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: improve some bedding where it looks good and they're like,

805
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: all right, cool. They put as much food as they

806
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: can get in there. But but it seems like you're

807
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: always thinking very very strategically about how these things interact

808
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: with each other, how each provement interacts with the others,

809
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: and so then you create what you call defined movement.

810
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: Can you tell us more about a what you mean

811
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: by that and be how you know expand on how

812
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: you create that, How these different positions and things you've

813
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: talked about, how they create that defined movement? Well defined

814
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: movement is the daily movement of a deer herd. And

815
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool because dose move more straight line. They

816
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: basically during the daylight hours, they move from betting in

817
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: the afternoon to their afternoon food source, hopefully about an

818
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: hour before dark. Hopefully it's on your land, and then

819
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: they move off from there, so they move that straight

820
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: little window and and really it's a small movement. Um.

821
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: I love to use food sources to position um those

822
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: doughs first because you can get them to bed fifty

823
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: sevent yards off that food pot if you have just

824
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: adequate cover, and then you can you're basically by using food,

825
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: you're positioning does and you're telling the door heard, I

826
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: want you to bed within a hundred yards of this

827
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: food source. And then that's freeing up the rest of

828
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: your cover on your property for potential buck bedding at

829
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: some point somewhere. So once you have that food, once

830
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: you have a dough bedding, then you can figure out

831
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: where the buck betting is um. It's important that your

832
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: food sources aren't open right into the cover, meaning that

833
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: if you have open hardwoods for two yards surrounding your

834
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: food source, then that potential bedding is going to push

835
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: two hundred yards back to whatever cover starts wherever changes

836
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: and then again buck betting is gonna behind that, so

837
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: you're starting that first doll lay or a long ways

838
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: away from food. So what I'm trying to do is

839
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: have a compact movement of daily defined movement where we

840
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: have a reasonable expectation that box are bedded over there somewhere,

841
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: and it might even be on the edge of your neighbors.

842
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: But you're trying to define that after new movement, so

843
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: that bucks are there, dolls are closer to the food,

844
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: and they're all moving towards that food source in the afternoon,

845
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: and then after dark they go wherever. And so that's

846
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: that definition of movement. You're using bedding, area, positioning, and

847
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: food to define that daily movement. And then along that

848
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: definition movement, if it's hill country out here, then I'm

849
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: using benches and saddles and the topography of the land

850
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: where deer moving already, and then you can enhance that

851
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: with travel cord or cuttings. You can enhance it with

852
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: betting areas where they should be in betting area, cuttings

853
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: that are appropriately matched for that size of the parcel,

854
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: and then um you're using water holes and even mocked

855
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: scrapes to further define that movement. So the more you

856
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: can define that movement, now you can go on it

857
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: and not the other way around. You know, the old

858
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: school thinking is this is a great open field, let's

859
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: put us if this is the best soilers, put a

860
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: food pot there. This is a great place for betting

861
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: area because it's nice and all. This is a good

862
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: spot for a pond because it's a low area. But

863
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: you have to match those habitat improvements to each other.

864
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: So it's not like you're just gonna send deer on

865
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: and a carousel on your property all the time. It's

866
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: this year trying to create the movement. So that and

867
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: that's why you like using multiple food sources or long

868
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: food sources, food sources where dear can be hidden around owners,

869
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: because then you can tap into multiple betting areas and

870
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: multiple movements, small compact movements on even a small parcel,

871
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: so that you can actually fit more deer into that

872
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: movement more dear into that definition of movement, and then

873
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: that gives you a wide variety of stand locations. So

874
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: by by creating strategically located improvements, be that betting areas,

875
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: or food sources or a few of those other things

876
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you can get dear to more consistently travel

877
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: a route that you know about. And then once you

878
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: know that route and once deer doing what you have

879
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: manipulated the habitat to allow them to do, that allows

880
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: you to a make sure you're hunting more consistently in

881
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: the right place, and B I think you would agree

882
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: with this. It also allows you to better access and

883
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: exit your property because you know where deer should be

884
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: at any given time, which results in less educated deer.

885
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: Right is that is that kind of why having this deflopment? Yeah? Yeah,

886
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: you you define it a lot easier than I did. Mark.

887
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: It's a lot shorter and more concise. But but yeah,

888
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: that's that's it in a nutshell. It's really and the

889
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: thing about box are a little bit different, is um.

890
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: I have a video coming out soon when I talk

891
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: about those traveling in straight lines and box traveling a

892
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: loopers meaning a buck will travel from the same betting

893
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: area every day, but depending on the wind and maybe

894
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: even his mood, he might come in from a completely

895
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: different directions. So it's almost like a football. You know,

896
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: one one way comes in on the lower side of

897
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: the ridge and it it It has this big arc

898
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: that loops into the food plot on this way there

899
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: in this direction or food source, and then depending on

900
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: his mood or wind direction or another buccan area a

901
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: doo he wants to chase, he loops the other way.

902
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: It's almost completes a football pattern of movement where you

903
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: have the same starting and stopping point, but he loops

904
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: around regardless. So if you're making those habitat improvements, worry beds,

905
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: worry travels, the attractions along that travel route and in

906
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: the form of the same mox scrapes or water holes,

907
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: maybe in a mineral station if legal in the summertime,

908
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: you're really reinforcing that movement, making that movement more attractive

909
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: and more defined. And then at the same time, what

910
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: I find is a stand locations along those movements. There's

911
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: some stand locations, and I can get away with hunting

912
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: every few days, even in a high pressure area, because

913
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm rarely given the deer an opportunity to see me

914
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: or get into my wind cone or hear me when

915
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: I get in and out. Because they're defined movements make

916
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: my hunting approach highly defined. Okay, so let's let's let's

917
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 1: go to the first part of this defined movement, which

918
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: is where they spend most of their day, that being

919
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: a betting area. Um, can you can you tell me

920
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: a little bit about how you go about, you know,

921
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: choosing the area when you kind of already have I guess,

922
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: but if there's anything else when it comes to choosing

923
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: where to make those betting air improvements. But then more importantly,

924
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: what are the some of the things you recommend doing

925
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: to improve or create betting areas? Um? Yeah, talking about that? Yeah, that,

926
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: And I really like that question because, um, if you

927
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: look online, there's a lot of information out there about

928
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: creating buckbeds, for example, and in what I find is

929
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of reverse situation where um, once

930
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: you have high quality afternoon food source of high quality

931
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: food plot. And what I like about food plots versus

932
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: an egg field is, for example, you can have a

933
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: one acre food plot and if that's gonna last enough

934
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: in your season, and you have a diverse enough planting

935
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: in there, then you can highly define movement to a

936
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: one acre spot on the map and as opposed to

937
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: a forty acre or a d acre egg field. It's

938
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: very precise and and you know obviously compared to a

939
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: uh fifty acre clear cut. And so by having that

940
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: food plot very small area. At the same time, when

941
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: you improve and let's say you screen that food plot,

942
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: so when you're standing in that food plot, you can't

943
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: see into the woods very far. It doesn't take a

944
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: great distance before those will feel comfortable bedding close to

945
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: that food source, especially if you never spook them out

946
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: of that side of the plot. It might be the

947
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: open timber on one side, grassy field whatever, and the

948
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: other side you have you have betting areas. So really

949
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: you're using that food to define dough betting opportunity. And

950
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: then what's left over is that buck betting opportunity. So

951
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: that might be up on that upper knoll if you're

952
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: starting from bottom going up. If your food sources are

953
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: up top, then those doors are going to bed just

954
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: over the over the edge, over the military crests around

955
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: in that area in a bench, and then you're gonna

956
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: have those box betting down low. So really the food

957
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: of the position of the food will dictate if box

958
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: are betting high or low, and where those doors are betting.

959
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: And then so you have those that logical chain where

960
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: you have food, food sets up dough betting, and then

961
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: do betting sets up buck betting opportunity. Doesn't make sense

962
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: that as long as you have adequate betting, the dough

963
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: betting is actually more important than the buck betting, because

964
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: if you can hold those doughs, like for example, go

965
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: into a Buffalo County property in Wisconsin, you know, famed

966
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: Big Trophy County area, and you have these finger agg

967
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: fields down below with these hardwood ridges, and the deer

968
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: might not be bettered until there's three d yards up

969
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: on top of that ridge because it's all open, wide, wide,

970
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: open mature timber all the way down to the food source.

971
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: By creating cuttings along the food source, going up to

972
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: that first bench a hundred yards up, maybe that second

973
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: bench that's two yards up, you can pull those does

974
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: that are bedded on top right down to the food

975
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: the food plot or ad field edge, and then that

976
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: second bench you get hard How are you how is

977
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: more does or even young bucks. By time you get

978
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: back up to the top, now you actually have room

979
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: for mature bucks. So it all starts with creating that

980
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: betting near the food and then positioning from there. So

981
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: as far as positioning and and betting opportunity, I hope

982
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And and then yeah, and then when

983
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: you dive into um how to create betting, really it

984
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: depends on your property. For example, I like a lot

985
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: of a little tight constricted betting areas where you really

986
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: want side cover. Side covers very important. If um you

987
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: know about whether it's thirty of the lands I go

988
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: to or thirty five, it's appropriate to hinge cut on

989
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: us on a you know a small percentage of parcels

990
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: hinge cutting. I really like to create hinge cuts that

991
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: are about waste time because then you're putting cover and

992
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: brows and potential food right at deer level. A lot

993
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: of these hinge cuts that are had high for one

994
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: more dangerous to cut. But too, you're putting that cover

995
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: above the deer, and you're putting the food well above

996
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: the deer so that they can't utilize the cover or

997
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: the food if they're looking side to side. So I

998
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: like hinge cuts and I like cuttings where deer can

999
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: actually maze and pocket throughout those cuttings, and if they

1000
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: can only see five ten yards in front of their face,

1001
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: that's great. And low cover areas like northern Ohio, you

1002
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: know the areas I've talked about, southern Michigan, southern Wisconsin,

1003
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: northern Illinois, northern Indiana where you have um a lack

1004
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: of cover in some areas and you have a lot

1005
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: of deer that you're trying to fit in one spot.

1006
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: But if you take that same betting area where they

1007
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: can only see five ten yard in front of the face,

1008
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: and you put that up in a big wood setting

1009
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: up north, or even a big wood setting over in Pennsylvania,

1010
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: down in Kentucky, southern Indiana, wherever it might be, where

1011
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: we have a lot of space and maybe fewer deer,

1012
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: then those gear what I find is they completely avoid

1013
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: that area because it's too tightly constricted. And you can

1014
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: kind of imagine if you have deer that are up

1015
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: in the wilderness area up in northern Minnesota and uh

1016
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: up in Michigan, for example, and they have there's a

1017
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: lot of coyotes, but there's a lot of wolves, and

1018
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: there's even cougars in some of those areas. Those deer

1019
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: do not want to be in a tightly confined area,

1020
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: and they're just really even for example, switch grass field,

1021
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: if they're bed in the switchgrass field up in the

1022
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: up in Michigan, a wolf can go on the down

1023
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: wind side of that and pinpoint every gear that's in

1024
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: there and easily take on whatever they want. I think

1025
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: deer realize that. And so up there you're looking at

1026
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: a deer used to see in forty fifty yards. They

1027
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: might be had a little knoll, they might have cuttings

1028
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: around them, but they're not right up against them. They

1029
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: can base the escape in any direction. And so you're

1030
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: trying to match the size of the bedding area, and

1031
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: that how tightly constricted that betting area is, how far

1032
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: a deer can see, how many different ways they can escape,

1033
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: and how many different directions, And you're matching that to

1034
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: the number of deer in the amount of cover you have.

1035
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: As a number of gear decrease and the amount of

1036
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: cover goes up, then you're making your bedding ears a

1037
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: lot larger, so deer can freely move around them. They

1038
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: still have browls in the ground, they still have side cover,

1039
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: but they can flee in any direction, and they want

1040
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: to be able to see in their beds yards. And

1041
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: as the amount of cover shrinks, as the amount of

1042
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: deer goes go up, then as populations increase, then you

1043
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: can fit a lot of deer. You can compartmentalize so

1044
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: that you can actually literally fit deer, fit a buck

1045
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: into a small bed that he might it might be okay,

1046
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: he might tolerate that you can only see five ten ft.

1047
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: So know, like, just like there's no cookie cutter plan

1048
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: for a parcel, there's no cookie cutter design or plan

1049
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: for a betting area. And so I get a little

1050
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: nervous when I see some of the stuff online where

1051
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, uh, someone's talking about this is the best

1052
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: way to make a betting area or this is the

1053
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: best way, because really with that balance of size, um,

1054
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways to make a betting area.

1055
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: And then again it goes back to landowner resources um

1056
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: their familiar area with a chainsaw, and you know, again,

1057
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: let alone the complexity of the number of deer and

1058
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: the amount of cover. Some of the betting areas that

1059
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: like just general wood woods maintenance, it might be that

1060
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: you have and overall attraction for the woods and trying

1061
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: to increase the cary capacity. Might be that someone would

1062
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: go in and every thirty forty yards are knocking down

1063
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: a giant red maple on their land, and the low

1064
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: land setting in Michigan, for example, they're putting that log

1065
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: and top on the ground. But the decrease in the

1066
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: canopy overall by about thirty so you get more regeneration.

1067
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: And so you can take a ten fifteen acre area

1068
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: that you really want to hold deer generally, and and

1069
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: and put a lot of structure on the ground and

1070
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: a lot of regeneration browls here turning that betting area

1071
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: that was a one or two out of ten into

1072
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: a five or six out of ten. And then if

1073
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: it's tightly constricted area there's not a lot of cover,

1074
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: then you can really work on half acre one acre

1075
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: pocket cuttings that are a little bit more like a

1076
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: clear cut or deer and mazing pocket room. So you

1077
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: can say that generally in my woods, this is going

1078
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: to hold more deer. Maybe you're creating a timber cutting

1079
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: in the select cut harvest of your timber if you

1080
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: have good timber value. But in these little one two

1081
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: acre pockets out of this forty acres, you might make

1082
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: five or six. I'm designating that there's a possibility for

1083
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: mature box to bet here, to define movement from this

1084
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: betting area through this um you know, mid range level

1085
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: of quality betting area to a food source and then

1086
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: you give them a travel corridor and they and they

1087
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: follow it. So really a betting areas, no, no cookie

1088
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: cutter betting areas depends on the property. And I really

1089
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: we try to talk about that in the videos that

1090
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: I create, in the in the articles, but that that

1091
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: does create a lot of reading for somebody and a

1092
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: lot of viewing. And but I do try to break

1093
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: that down because again it goes back to same concepts

1094
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: of gear management UM that I feel work on any parcel.

1095
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: But at the same time, the application of balance can

1096
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 1: be drastically different from different from one person to another. Yeah. Now, now,

1097
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: from what I gather from you know, hearing a lot

1098
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: of things you've talked about and from you just said there,

1099
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: it seems like there definitely is something to the location

1100
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: of betting areas that might define where doze bed versus

1101
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: where bucks bed. But I think correct me if I'm

1102
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: wrong here. But I think I've also heard you say

1103
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: that you don't put much stock into the idea of

1104
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: like creating a single specific buckbed and saying this is

1105
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 1: gonna be where buck's going to bed because I pulled

1106
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: this tree down and I cleared out this space, and

1107
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, people try to do that. Is that Is

1108
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: that right? Yes? Definitely? So what what I like to

1109
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: do is and it's almost like, um, you know, I'm

1110
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: not a betting man. I don't play poker much. You know,

1111
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: a little bit deer Camp dabbled, and I'm not very

1112
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: good at it. I I'll play when there's nickels and

1113
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: dimes involved, let's put it that way, and there's nothing

1114
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: else to do. But I do feel that you play

1115
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: poker in the Deerwoods a lot, and you're making decisions

1116
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: based on balance and level of risk versus reward, and

1117
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: one of those comes into the form of creating buck

1118
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: betting and betting opportunities. So, for example, using food sources

1119
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: to define where dough betting is now doe betting opportunities

1120
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: the same as buck betting opportunity. Just because you make

1121
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: a larger room or a smaller room doesn't dictate that

1122
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: there's gonna be more doughs or less does or more

1123
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: box in that location. Um, it's just gonna betting opportunities.

1124
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: So you're you're housing those doughs next to that food source.

1125
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: And then you're saying, I want box to bet up

1126
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: on that knoll or bench instead of going up there

1127
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: and hinging all my efforts and all my bets on

1128
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: a betting area that's twenty twenty feet and I'm making

1129
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: this canopy tie down thing, and I'm gonna I'm gonna

1130
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: hope that a box beds in that exact spot. I'd

1131
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: prefer to take a quarter acre a half acre there, um,

1132
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: knockdown appreciable amount of timber, make sure that deer can

1133
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: freely move throughout the inside of it. There's very few

1134
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: dead ends, meaning that a deer turns right, there's a

1135
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: twenty yard corridor and at the dead ends and he's

1136
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: he's a sitting duck for a predator that's going through there.

1137
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: So I'm making sure I take out the dead ends.

1138
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: It's more like amazing pocket. If you took your your

1139
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: kids too, they could maze through there and have a

1140
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: good time and um and enjoy it. Um. You know,

1141
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: never ending trail through there they can escape in any direction.

1142
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: I'd rather say that I'm pretty sure that the buck's

1143
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: gonna bet up there, and he's gonna be half acre

1144
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: to hal to one acre, maybe even a quarter acre

1145
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: in that area sometime, and I'm gonna probably take about

1146
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: one tanket chainsaw gas, which will run about an hour

1147
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes hour and twenty minutes to cut time.

1148
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut that timber down um in the safest

1149
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: way it'll fall, mindful that I don't want to make

1150
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: a big mass with a big, you know, top that's

1151
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: going to fall in the middle of everything. And then

1152
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through, back through and clean it. Put

1153
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: about a half tank of gas. So I'm gonna use

1154
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: one tank of gas one and a half tank of

1155
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: gas through the chainsaw in each one of those locations.

1156
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: And and then I'm gonna use travel corridors, maybe even

1157
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: have a stand location or two in the back set

1158
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: of that betting for different winds, maybe even different access points,

1159
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: different departure routes from that betting area. And so instead

1160
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: of hinging all my efforts just on that one small

1161
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: betting area, I much prefer to take a quarter acre

1162
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: to one acre betting area and be sure that he's

1163
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: going to be in there as opposed to hoping he's

1164
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: going to be in there, that I hit the right

1165
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: mark with that with that bock betting. Yeah, that makes

1166
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Now, what about a situation where

1167
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: where in that instance where you talked about not having

1168
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: a lot of cover, Let's say my property has poor cover,

1169
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: maybe a lot not a lot of timber, a lot

1170
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: of open fields. But I know I need to improve

1171
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: betting or create new betting areas. How would you say

1172
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: I try to create a betting area from an open field?

1173
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: Could I use something like switch for gas or something

1174
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, that's ah, that's that's one of them.

1175
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: That's an area I'm really passionate about. And it's a

1176
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: lot of fun because, um, early successional growth is a

1177
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: great buzzword, you know, early successional growth. Just take an

1178
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: old field, let it go. Well, I have an old

1179
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: field and if you look on some of my videos

1180
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: and some of the drone shots and some of the

1181
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: work we do on on the main property, we shoot

1182
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: a lot of videos on that field has been foul

1183
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: since the fifties and it's probably covered with about five

1184
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: per of deer cover. Deer cover meaning that there's no

1185
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: structure in there that will actually hold deer throughout the

1186
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: hunting season. Once saw the foliage comes down, you know,

1187
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: I'd say November, December, October UM for that three months.

1188
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: And so even though that's been there for sixty seven

1189
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: years and hasn't been agged, it's been allowed to return

1190
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: to early successional growth. It hasn't taken place. Now if

1191
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: you go to better soils or other areas, maybe areas

1192
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 1: that are as a steep they can they can fill

1193
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: in and uh ten to fifteen years UM, which would

1194
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: be on the early side. The beauty of switch grass.

1195
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: Switch grass is a grass. To me, it's only white

1196
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 1: tail grass that I really like the plant because it's

1197
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: the one grass that can withstand snows, heavy winds and

1198
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: last in through January February and a lot of times

1199
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: through March or April before you get spring green up.

1200
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: So that's it's a type of cover species that you

1201
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: can quickly convert an old field to it. And so

1202
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: let's say you have an agg gland, you know, some

1203
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: agg land that you want to convert. You can frost

1204
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: seed switch grass from September through February media in early March,

1205
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: get the seed on the soil, and then you can

1206
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: use chemicals to make sure that that seed, that switch

1207
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: grass is established. So let's say just for quick you know,

1208
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: quick thought. Here, you take ten acres of idle agg land.

1209
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: As long as you're soil exposed, you can throw the

1210
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: switch grass at about eight to ten pounds an acre,

1211
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: which is a high rate. You want very thick cover.

1212
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: What you're doing is you're putting that switch grass around

1213
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: the outside, around much of the ten acre space in there,

1214
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: but you're only putting out about five acres of switch

1215
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: grass in total. The pockets in between the switch grass

1216
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: you allow to revert to early successional growth and you

1217
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: kill out the grass in those areas so that you

1218
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: actually have broad leaves come in. Broad leaves in the

1219
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: former golden rod, ragweed, woody brush, woody brows, shrubs, trees,

1220
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: maybe throw some box old seeds in there, some maple

1221
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: seeds that grow quickly. All come in the form of food.

1222
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: Grass equals no food when it comes to even switch grass.

1223
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: So what you're doing is using the switch grass that

1224
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: in most areas will grow anywhere from forty inches to

1225
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: five ft in the first year and by the second

1226
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: year six seven ft high. You're using that as the

1227
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: betting structure, and then you're allowing for those early successional

1228
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: pockets on the inside to actually create brows that's actually

1229
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: hidden by the switch grass. The difference of the field

1230
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: like that compared to early successional growth is you can

1231
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: white tails can use that. By the end of the

1232
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: second summer and going into the second hunting season, you

1233
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: have sufficient cover, lots of cover, and then you have brows.

1234
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's only a foot higher two

1235
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: ft or three ft high within that switch grass that

1236
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: you can actually house deer hold deer or in that

1237
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: same field could take anywhere from ten to twelve fifteen

1238
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: years on the early side, as much as twenty thirty

1239
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: years to cover in and fill in appreciably enough to

1240
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: actually hold deer, just allowing to go and and have

1241
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: early successional growth. That is the same concept to let's

1242
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: say you have ten acres a red seedar. Instead of

1243
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: just getting rid of all the red ceedar and trying

1244
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: to replant something different, just pocket out of that red

1245
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: seater on the inside, kill out the red seater that's

1246
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: coming and kill out the grass, allow it to revert

1247
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: to broad leafs early successional broad leaf growth. Now you're

1248
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: using the red seedar as your base base form of

1249
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: structure and cover just like the switch grass, just like

1250
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: you can do with pines, you can do with spruce.

1251
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: Might even have shrubs that that you can do that

1252
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: in and and so you're using that base form of

1253
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: structure in the form of the switch grass or the

1254
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: red seedar, creating those pockets in the inside. And it's

1255
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: the same concept either way. So yeah, that kind of

1256
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: stuff is really intriguing to me because I feel like

1257
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: when you a lot of people look at a big

1258
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: white open field or something as like dead, no good

1259
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: land for wildlife. But if you look at it in

1260
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: the way you're talking about, it's almost like a blank

1261
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: canvas and you can paint whatever picture you're awesome, Like,

1262
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Yeah, kind of limiting for a tree stands.

1263
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: But at the same time, kind of imagine if you

1264
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: have ten acre field, you're looking at a wreck tangle

1265
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: north to south. Um, let's say you have an open

1266
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: egg field to the south. You're going north into that

1267
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: switch grass field. You're putting a large food plot in

1268
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: the salt east corner in the southwest corner, and you're

1269
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: hiding it within that switch grass. That switch grass is

1270
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: six seven ft tall along the side. Let's say it's

1271
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: fifty ft into your property. And then you're creating lines

1272
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: that come down to that those food plots and go

1273
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: between those food plots. You're just basically carving out with

1274
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: a brush hawk through the switch grass up to the

1275
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: woods to the north. Might even put some food along

1276
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: the way. You might put some mock scrape on some

1277
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: posts along the way. You might put a water hole

1278
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: if it's dry along the way. You can actually put

1279
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: pop up blinds like some of the redneck gilly blinds

1280
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: or some of the soft sided blinds. You could just

1281
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: um pile in with switchgrass and uh and hide that

1282
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: blind in and you could actually come into the back

1283
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: of the switch grass, go into a blind look out

1284
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: a couple holes through the switch grass, watched gears are

1285
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: passing by to go to big food. You can sit

1286
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: on that big food source with the right winds northwest

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01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: wind or northeast wind on those lower food plots, making

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01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: sure where the deer entering and exiting the egg field,

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01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: and then you could actually hunt those in the evening

1290
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: with a gun with a bow um hunt deers on

1291
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: the way in and out, and then those lines of

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01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: movement that you carve out to the switch grass that

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01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: connect to your woods up top to the north. Then

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01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: where those cuttings in the switch grass and those trails

1295
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: at your brush hog, where they meet the woodlines. Great

1296
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: places for stands, great places for mock scrapes, for water

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01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: holes if needed, and in senior mean you might actually

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01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: go past those food sources in the switchgrass. Two yards

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01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: set up in the morning, wait for deer to come

1300
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: off the egg through your food, through the switch grass cuttings,

1301
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: and you start to assemble um that entire line of movement.

1302
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: And the switch grass can be just a huge, just

1303
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: key component to making sure the deer on your your

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01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: food plots. In the afternoon hours, you're hidden, you can

1305
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: hunt them to and from and at the food source

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: because of the switch grass. Then you're just sending them

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01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: out after dark into the agg fields and you start

1308
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: to develop that entire line of movement, line of daily

1309
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: movement for the deer where you can capitalize on, you know,

1310
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: backside betting areas way to the north and for box

1311
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: and then closer to the wood's edge for intermediate areas,

1312
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: and then finally to the food to the south and

1313
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: the switch grass for evening sets. Yeah, I can, I

1314
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: can see it all in my head. I don't know

1315
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: if that makes sense to you. I hope that translates

1316
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: it to people that I hate not being able to

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01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: draw a picture. But um, but yeah, that's that's how

1318
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: that switch grass can be such a golden opportunity to

1319
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: really define movement, hide food, hide betting. Can you can

1320
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: you create a huge amount of opportunity. Can you talk

1321
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: more about the hiding aspect that you can use switch

1322
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: grass or other things for. You know, you talk a

1323
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: lot about screening in a lot of your articles and

1324
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: videos and stuff. Can you elaborate more on what you

1325
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: mean by screening cover, how you can use it? Um,

1326
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: Why it's important? Sure, screen cover is so critical because basically,

1327
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do on your property, especially on

1328
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: small property, and half my clients have sixty acres or less.

1329
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: My average clients about a hundred acres that have a

1330
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, quite a few large ones in there that

1331
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: bring up the average, And so it's really critical that

1332
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: when you move in on and off your property, you're

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01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: not spoken deer and you're not You're not allowing the

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01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: year to see you. And so if you're laying is flat.

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01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: For example, you can have thirty ft of switch grass

1336
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: along the edge of a food plot, and if you're

1337
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: walking and being quiet and you're using the whim on

1338
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: the outside of that switch grass, then you could walk

1339
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: right by a food plot and half thirty deer out

1340
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: there and they don't they not know that you're walking by,

1341
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: especially with some thick cover like switch grass. I've had

1342
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: clients that have actually used a berm. I have one

1343
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: client that went a quarter mile down the road, a

1344
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: quarter mile up the other road, and then a quarter

1345
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: mile over, so he's three quarters of a mile berm

1346
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: to hide basically a fourty acre field on the inside

1347
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: that he converted to cover and food plot. So he

1348
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: walks into a blind. It literally parks on the road,

1349
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: has a padlock on the back of his blind, can't

1350
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: even see the entire field until he opens the blind door,

1351
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: gets in the blind, looks out the window, and so

1352
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: he can watch those deer every single day and they

1353
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: never know that he's ever watching them. It's basically like

1354
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: walking up to a window and looking outside looking inside. Um,

1355
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: you're you're looking into their world without them ever knowing

1356
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: you're doing that. And that's why switch grass is great.

1357
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: Egyptian weed is something that's a short term um solution.

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01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: It's it grows, it's an annual one year switch grasses

1359
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: can be maintained for decades. I love spruce, white spruce,

1360
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: and sandy soils, highest a soils, Norway spruce. Where you

1361
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: have a lot of sun and you have qualities soils,

1362
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: you can use quit growing pines for an interim screen

1363
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: of five to ten years, twelve years and then let

1364
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: those spruce take over. So there's a lot of ways

1365
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: that you can establish those screening walls. Access is one thing,

1366
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: getting on and off your property, getting close to hunting situations,

1367
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,839
Speaker 1: but then screening is really important around food sources because

1368
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: screening sets up that first line of security to deer

1369
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: to where they now feel comfortable betting thirty yards, especially

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01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: as doll family groups thirty yards into the cover from

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01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: a food plot, So you want that screening there in

1372
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: the form it could be hinge cutting, so you're putting

1373
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: low hinge cutting through there with several trails getting in

1374
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,919
Speaker 1: and out for the deer, they don't feel too confined.

1375
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: Um could be switched grass, could be Egyptian week, could

1376
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: be spruce. But you're bringing that first layer of cover

1377
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: right against the food plot edge where you want the

1378
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: deer to start betting into that side of the woods.

1379
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: And then that's in that case where you're using screening

1380
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: on an open wood lot to actually pull deer. They

1381
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: might not feel comfortable betting until they're two hundred yards in,

1382
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: but because of that screening, now they feel really comfortable

1383
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: betting right behind that screening wall. That might be that

1384
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: that the edge of the woods faces the northwest where

1385
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: you get extreme winds, extreme cold winds, and now that

1386
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: you have thirty switch grass there, they can get behind

1387
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: that switch grass and they're completely out of the wind.

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01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: They're completely sheltered, and they're not exposed to anything that's

1389
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: going on in that food plot. So screening around food

1390
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: plot also forces box that are back in the timber.

1391
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: They can't just cruise by a d fifty yards and

1392
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 1: the heart would look out in the food and say

1393
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: there's nothing there. They actually have to come out in

1394
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: the food. Now, look around in that food plot, see

1395
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: if there's any doors out there. You know, if there's

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01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: a buck out there, they want to chase past or

1397
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: if they're mature buck, Um, they actually have to go

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01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: into the food plot and out draws them out of

1399
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: the woods. But really on that screening, that first screen

1400
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: layer sets up the betting opportunity going into your woods,

1401
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: which helps compact the movement and might help put that

1402
01:09:55,560 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: mature buck on your properties instead of off your property borders. Yeah, yeah,

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01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: I love the screating ideas. I've started incorporating this into

1404
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: some of my spots that I hunt, and uh if

1405
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 1: seen a seen a huge help there too. Um. Taking

1406
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: a step back a little bit, we we talked about betting,

1407
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: We talked about, you know, some of the different things

1408
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: when it comes to positioning things, but something we kind

1409
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: of glossed over is like that transition that travel from

1410
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: betting towards the food. Um. And I know you've talked

1411
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: about creating either transition areas or like buck corridors or

1412
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: travel corridors. Can you talk talk to us about that

1413
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: how you can actually direct that movement by creating what

1414
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: you call like these bow hunting buck corridors. Sure, yeah,

1415
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: what what I like? And again going back to you know,

1416
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: first off, I really don't like using any kind of

1417
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: canopy across this because, um, if the canopy falls into

1418
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: a corridor and you're making a hinge cut across the

1419
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: top or tying something, then it then it blocks off

1420
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: the whole corridor. But what you're trying to do is

1421
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: define the timber, use the number, use the habitat that

1422
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: you have, and make sure that deer can travel from

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01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: point A to point B and that they have a

1424
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: much higher probability of going on this travel quarter than

1425
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: outside of it. So I'll give you some examples. Um,

1426
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: let's use big hardwoods, big open mature hardwoods. If it's

1427
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: a northern setting where deer and not used to being confined,

1428
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: I might define that line that I want them to

1429
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: travel from point A to point B. I'm gonna curve

1430
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: it a little bit, not not necessarily nine degree turns,

1431
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: but you just have a gently sloping curve that goes

1432
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: through there so that deer can't see more than thirty

1433
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: forty yards down the quarter. You don't want them to.

1434
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 1: You want the deer to think this is an access

1435
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: road or an a TV trail. Um, you want them

1436
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 1: to think this their their trail all the time, just

1437
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: a dear trail. And I might define that with ribbon

1438
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: going through the woods from point A to point but

1439
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: let's say it's two hundred yards long. Then I'm gonna

1440
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: go into that big open hardwoods, and I might find

1441
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: advantageous trees that are leaning away in perpendicular to that

1442
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: line of movement and cut them in you where from

1443
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 1: ten to fifty ft away from that line of movement

1444
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: on either side of the line of movement. What you're

1445
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: trying to do is put structure on the ground, not

1446
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: cutting all the trees down. So it's a big clear

1447
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: cutting mass, and the deer feel confined because again that

1448
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: you're thinking, this is a northern setting, not a lot

1449
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: of deer. They're used to a lot of space. So

1450
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm making a pretty subtle cut on either side perpendicular

1451
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: to the movement, so that trees are falling away from

1452
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: that deer trail. And what I'm doing is I'm lowering

1453
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: the canopy, reducing the amount of canopy, which increases stem

1454
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: counant amoudel of brows that's in that cutting area, with

1455
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: with really that deer trail being centered at within that

1456
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: cutting trail or cutting area, and then you're also putting

1457
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: structure on the ground in the form of logs and tops,

1458
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: So now the deer have more of a subtle cut

1459
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: down area, almost like some high winds came through. But

1460
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: then they have this chiseled out deer trail right through

1461
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: the middle of it that's surrounded by high quality brows, regeneration,

1462
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: and those tops and debris, so that after a couple

1463
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: of years it kind of is all together. Now they

1464
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: can travel within that cover. If they're on the outside

1465
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: of that, cutting their back into the open timber, so

1466
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: they might as well travel right on the inside, and

1467
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: they have brows on either left or right all the

1468
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: way through their travel area. Because it's a straight line movement,

1469
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,839
Speaker 1: you limit the amount of deer that are actually bedded

1470
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: with on that within that travel quarridor because it's just

1471
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: basically a straight travel route, there's a lot of high

1472
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: traffic on there. And you can kind of imagine if

1473
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: this was fifty yards off and paralleling your your property border,

1474
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: you could walk along your border and walk into that

1475
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: cutting area, get into a stand location, look down into

1476
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 1: that deer trail. It's now enveloped and brush and briers

1477
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: and regeneration, tops and logs. Get a twenty five yard

1478
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: shot with a bow. Basically until you're halfway up that tree,

1479
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: the deer can't see even climbing in. So for one

1480
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: establishes a really good wall of protection along your property borders,

1481
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: but to allows you to hunt and get in close. Now,

1482
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: if you had Egyptian not gical wheet, but switch grass

1483
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: brush briers, pretty easy to go in there. If it's

1484
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: a large area up north, you might want to use

1485
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: your brush hog. If you're northern Ohio, there's not not

1486
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: a lot of covery dr brush trimmers are great. I've

1487
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: had a lot of client cheese those in southern Michigan

1488
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: northern Ohio in those those limited cover areas, because you

1489
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: can create this two to three ft deer trail right

1490
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: through anywhere you want a deer to travel through thick cover,

1491
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: and they'll travel through it. Um. Now, if you're looking

1492
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 1: at say a medium age maple m poplar, you're cutting

1493
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: that timber down. Let's say it's a high deer density

1494
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: area where there's not a lot of cover. Then you

1495
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 1: can afford to hinge cut trees away from that travel

1496
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: corridor right up to that age. You might be that

1497
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: you're defining a line that's only two to three feet wide.

1498
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: And then you're hinge cutting trees that might be within

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01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: two or three ft on either side of that line,

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01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: so that there's hinge cuts that you're still making all

1501
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: these travel cordas poorous, meaning that deer don't feel like

1502
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: they're confined like a travel like a cattle shoot. They

1503
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: can turn the left or right and get out. Um.

1504
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: But in that case where you have very limited cover

1505
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: and you have a lot of deer they're used to

1506
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: being confined. You can push that hinge cut right up

1507
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: next to your actual deer trail and bring gear down

1508
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: a pretty tight corner or a pretty tight deer trail

1509
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: where you can't see him, they can't see out, And

1510
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: and again it offers a great spot for stand locations,

1511
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: and you can highly define movement because there's more cover

1512
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: and more brows all the way through that deer trail.

1513
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: You just have to consider the balance of the number

1514
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: of deer and the amount of cover in the area,

1515
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: and what they're really actually used to when they're traveling

1516
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: through their habitat, and how they relate to habitat. Are

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01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: they being too confined or not confined enough? Yeah, you said.

1518
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: It all comes back down to this defined movement idea. UM.

1519
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: And I know one other tool you use is water.

1520
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: Can you talk about how water fits into all this

1521
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: for you? Yeah, you know, it's pretty cool because we

1522
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: started using water tanks, oh, fifteen years ago, and we're

1523
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: using a half gallon drums, cutting them and a half lengthwise,

1524
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: and of course you get about twenty seven gallons left,

1525
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: and we found if the deer used them, um, and

1526
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: it was it was warm mouth. They were done with

1527
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: them in a week and we weren't back up, you know,

1528
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: down to the property or where we hunted for a

1529
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: month and they ran dry deer. You lose that us,

1530
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: that pattern of use that the deer daily visiting the

1531
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: water holes and experience, and then they don't come back

1532
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: because they're not used to that water, you know, they're

1533
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: used to be that water being gone now, so we

1534
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: started migrating to sixty gallon tanks and now ten gallon

1535
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: tanks seems to be a good balance between. For example,

1536
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: last year, I didn't have to fill my water holes

1537
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: at that hundred gallon size just because we had so

1538
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: much rain. And so what water holes are great for.

1539
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: And when we first started realizing this is the previous

1540
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: landowners had created mineral pits and so they actually held

1541
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: water and we loved it. We actually tried to line them,

1542
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: we tried to fill them, um they'd always seep out.

1543
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 1: But what we found was was really cool. In October

1544
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 1: September November is when we came up in the early season.

1545
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, Wisconsin opens the third Saturday in September. We

1546
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: could see pictures I can remember in one poll, a

1547
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: camera poll over about a six or seven week period,

1548
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: and about seven those pictures were in the evening as

1549
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: deer we're heading to the water hole and made us thinking,

1550
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: why are they not hitting that in the in the

1551
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: morning hours? Do you think about it? At night? They

1552
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: feed on green vegetation, They feed on high quality food.

1553
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: They has a high moisture content, very digestible, and that

1554
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: supplies their water for them on a daily basis. They

1555
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: don't even need to take a drink, so all night

1556
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: they're they're feeding on this great vegetation, their food plots.

1557
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 1: They didn't really need to hit that water in the morning.

1558
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: We found most of the time, if the if the

1559
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: deer hitting in the morning is it's that's exactly when

1560
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: the rot starting. So all of a sudden October twenty three,

1561
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: we're getting buck pictures at ten in the morning. In

1562
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: the evening, though, think about these deer they're back in

1563
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: brows areas. You want high quality brows in their area,

1564
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: meaning woody shrub tips, hardwood regeneration briers, maybe even smake horns.

1565
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 1: All that stuff is hard for them digest, to digest,

1566
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: there's a high wood count to it, and and even

1567
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: corn is hard to digest form in late November when

1568
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: it's a low moisture content. So if they're feeding that

1569
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: on that all all day, they feed five times in

1570
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: the twenty four hour period. One type of category is

1571
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: their daytime brows. That's what they feed on the different

1572
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: things I've talked about. That afternoon food source is the

1573
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: most critical, and that's that you can supply in the

1574
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: form of food plots in private land. And then at night.

1575
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 1: It's great when there's agg land around because you just

1576
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: send the deer out into the agg for them to

1577
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 1: feed twice during the night. But think about those deer

1578
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: back in their bedding areas feeding on brows all day.

1579
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: It's dry, hard to digest. The first thing they want

1580
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: to do is hit water on the way to food.

1581
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: So I love to position water near bedding areas, also

1582
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: keeping in mind of where box are going to cruise

1583
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: during the middle of the day, middle of the morning,

1584
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: and then making sure those water holes or a quick

1585
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: stop on a defined travel corridor or defined bench system

1586
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 1: point saddle where you know deer are coming from that

1587
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: bedding area. They're gonna hit this water hole and then

1588
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: they're hitting that food source a hundred yards away or

1589
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty or even fifty yards away, where you

1590
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: can hunt that location over and over again. It's a

1591
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: quick stop for the deer, but you're not spooking the

1592
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: deer out of the bedding or the food source that

1593
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 1: they're traveling to. So as long as a deer doesn't

1594
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 1: have to go backwards from his betting area, like let's

1595
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: say you have a bedding area that the neighbor might

1596
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: have a water source a hundred yards away the opposite

1597
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: direction of the food Even if it's a great water source,

1598
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: you can expect them to ignore it and hit your

1599
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: water source on the way to food. If that food

1600
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 1: source that you have is where they want to they

1601
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: want to feed every afternoon, you just add that water

1602
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: they're going to go out of the way. A hundred

1603
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: yards to get to the neighbor's water. So even if

1604
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: it's a swamp that's a hundred yards behind their bedding area,

1605
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: as long as it's dry between their bedding area and

1606
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: the food source, then a water source can be appropriate. Well, Jeff,

1607
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: I have about seventy two more questions I'd love to

1608
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: ask you, but I know that we're gonna have to

1609
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: do this another time. There's so much good stuff here

1610
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 1: to cover. And what I want to tell everyone listening

1611
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: is that I'm gonna give you homework because we haven't

1612
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: even talked about food really at all yet. So I'm

1613
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: gonna say, go go back and listen to Wired Hunt

1614
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 1: podcast number eleven. That was the first episode Jeff was

1615
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: on the podcast, and then that one we we focus

1616
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: primarily on food plots and food, So go listen to

1617
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: that after this one and um and then hopefully Jeff,

1618
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: we can get you on to talk a little bit more.

1619
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 1: But I guess if there's one, is there any final

1620
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: quick thing that you think we should definitely mentioned related

1621
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: to habitat that we haven't touched on yet before we

1622
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: let you go? Anything else you want to make sure

1623
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: leave us with no I you know, what I can

1624
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: leave you with is really I like where you touched

1625
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: on that. Obviously, I love connecting habitat improvements, making sure

1626
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: that you highly define that movement and that you you

1627
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: really moved your safely around within your borders, that you

1628
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: know in a location that you're not setting yourself up

1629
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: to be to spook here, that you can actually hunt

1630
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: this line movement. It all boils back to trying to

1631
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: really hunt like a predator. You know what's great about

1632
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: private land as we can say, you know, I want

1633
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: the deer to bed there, I want them to feed here,

1634
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: and you can set up that movement because if you're

1635
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: hunting your land like a predator, you're leaving a very

1636
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: little footprint behind when you hunt, Your not allowing the

1637
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: deer to see you, smell you're here. You then you

1638
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 1: can set those deer up as the season progresses, because

1639
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 1: in most locations, um deer spooked more and more as

1640
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: the season progresses. So if yours is that one property

1641
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: where you're setting the daily daylight table for them and

1642
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: you maintain that consistent consistency throughout the entire hunting season,

1643
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: you hunt like a predator. You match your habitat improvements

1644
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 1: to hunting a mature buck to where you actually you're

1645
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: hunting the lowest hole in the bucket. You're removing your

1646
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: hunting pressure, you're being ultra quiet, ultra secure, making sure

1647
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: they can't see you, smile you. Then you really can

1648
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: have an exceptional opportunity on on private land, even on

1649
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, my persons that I that I hunt out

1650
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: here are forty acres, so you don't need a lot

1651
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: of space. Then you can take those same concepts and

1652
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: if you want to do a lot of boot work

1653
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: out on public lands, you can go find those same

1654
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: definitions of travel and those same concepts apply to public

1655
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: land as well, so privately and great opportunity to shrink

1656
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: it down, hunt like a predator. Place your food plots,

1657
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: your habitat improvements, you're betting areas as as you can

1658
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: actually be able to hunt them. Give you that opportunity

1659
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: to hunt them like a predator. And uh, pretty cool

1660
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 1: stuff you can do on private land, even on a

1661
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: small parcel. Yeah, yeah, very cool stuff. Where can folks

1662
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: find your information elsewhere or if they want to go

1663
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: somewhere on and get your stuff, where's that at? Well,

1664
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: they can visit White Till habitat Solutions dot com. Um,

1665
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: if they put in my name, they can find that

1666
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: pretty easily. If they forget the name of the business

1667
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: and the website. UM. I also have a Facebook pages

1668
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: under a white tabitat solutions dot com. UM. I sell

1669
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 1: my books on Amazon or the website. And then also UM,

1670
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: I have a YouTube channel that I think I still have.

1671
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: We just shot four more today and we have about

1672
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: eight in the loop that I'll put out over the

1673
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 1: next week. We can have, but I think there's roughly

1674
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: one fifty on there right now, and um, you know,

1675
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: and then on the website I usually right, I think

1676
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: last year about a hundred and fifty five articles, and UM,

1677
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 1: we put out about ninety videos a year. Will probably

1678
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: do so. YouTube channel wait to habitat Solutions, website White

1679
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: to habitat Solutions Facebook and then Instagram under white to

1680
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: habitat Solutions too. There you go. Awesome stuff, Jeff. Always

1681
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: enjoy having you on here and thank you so much. Yeah,

1682
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: pleasure to be on here. And I can't believe that

1683
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 1: first one was episode leven, thinking back, what episode is this? Mark?

1684
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. UM, I'm really happy for you and

1685
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: that's a success story in itself, so pretty cool and

1686
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: and really honored to be back. Hey, thanks Jeff, I

1687
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: appreciate let's talk against him. And that's going to be

1688
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: it for us today. I hope you enjoyed this one.

1689
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: And like I just mentioned, we only cover probably about

1690
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 1: half of what I wanted to. Um, still a lot

1691
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: of great stuff, but so so much more that we

1692
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: could touch on, So hopefully we'll get Jeff on again.

1693
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: And really in our conversation today were we were mostly

1694
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: just focused on kind of the strategic ways to think

1695
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: about positioning improvements on your property or creating improvements on

1696
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: the property that will help you as a deer hunter. UM.

1697
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: But there's so much more to discuss on this front,

1698
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: just related to improving the the overall health of the

1699
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 1: animals and white tail her on your property through improvements

1700
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: as well. So that's something we're definitely going to cover

1701
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 1: in the future. There will be more habitat related episodes

1702
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: to come here in the next couple of weeks, so

1703
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: keep an eye out for that. And um Man, we

1704
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us really quickly here. I do want

1705
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: to thank our partners who helped make this possible, so

1706
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: big thank you. Too, Sitka Gear, YETI Cooler's, Matthew's Archery,

1707
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: Maven Optics, the white Tail Institute of North America, Trophy

1708
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,879
Speaker 1: Ridge and hunter ra Maps, and finally, as I just mentioned,

1709
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,719
Speaker 1: big thanks to each one of you for being here

1710
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 1: for your attention and your time and you know your

1711
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 1: open mind to learning about these new ideas alongside of us.

1712
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: It's a blast. I'm glad you're here with us, and

1713
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired to Hunt,