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Speaker 1: Hi there, how there, It's me Josh, your friend with

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Speaker 1: this week's edition of s Y s K Selects. And

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Speaker 1: for this week I've selected How Zero Works, a surprisingly

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Speaker 1: riveting episode about Zero. You know, Zero, made famous by

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Speaker 1: the phrase you better lose that zero and get yourself

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Speaker 1: a hero. Well, it turns out Zero is pretty great

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Speaker 1: in its own right. Just listen to this episode. Okay, enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chub Bryant, and this

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Speaker 1: is a rare, unusual mathematical uh episode of the Stuff

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Speaker 1: you Should Know. Yes, And I'm just gonna step out

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Speaker 1: of the room and I'll be back in what minutes.

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Speaker 1: You to do this? This is not going to be

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Speaker 1: another Yo yo episode. Oh I just hate math. This

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Speaker 1: was this was This is not math heavy at all.

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Speaker 1: It's about the history of Zero. It's about the weirdness

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Speaker 1: of Zero, my hero Zero. Exactly until you came a

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Speaker 1: people counted on their fingers and toes. I posted that

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Speaker 1: to down Facebook. I don't know what that is. The

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Speaker 1: Schoolhouse rock, I don't know he ro Zero. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember that one until you came along. Keep going it

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Speaker 1: on her fingers and toes. It's basically you would appreciate

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Speaker 1: it because it sings what you wrote. Oh, that's great

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Speaker 1: in a much more basic way. But basically trying to

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Speaker 1: teach kids how amazing zero is, and don't discount it

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Speaker 1: as just it's a number. It's not the absence of something. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's a bunch to it. It's many,

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Speaker 1: many things. It's a multifaceted uh number, not the multifaceted entity. Well,

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Speaker 1: nol is German for zero. Did you know that bub

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Speaker 1: kiss is I believe Spanish for zero zilch silch is cajun.

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Speaker 1: I did actually get a little etymology research. Originally sanscrit

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Speaker 1: was sonya, which meant empty. Then later Arabriic was sepia

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Speaker 1: or nothing, then Italian was sapio, and then finally French

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Speaker 1: gave us zero, right, and it wasn't you know we

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Speaker 1: yeah right. That was the Europeans who did that. Prior

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Speaker 1: um represented zero with a heavy dot. You know where

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Speaker 1: that might have come from Robert Kaplan's book The Nothing

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Speaker 1: That Is a Natural History of Zero. He speculates that

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Speaker 1: guess I feel like we've kind of done a pretty

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Speaker 1: good set up here, Chuck. We've talked about how zero

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Speaker 1: go back even further. Two first find when Zero made

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Speaker 1: was here? Um so Chuck. If you'll look at this

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Speaker 1: use it as zero. No, why would we ever need zero?

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Speaker 1: Great work on the Coffee podcast, gents. I could have

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Speaker 1: locals in downtown Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, North America. Have we

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Speaker 1: that is not the song. Okay, that's coming. Uh, She's

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Speaker 1: say I'm a total coffee snobber expert, I do have

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Speaker 1: it's her last name Starbuck. No no no, no, she's saying

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Speaker 1: Starbucks doesn't use the blend, so it's more better. Her

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Speaker 1: I said, I think this may be a part of

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Speaker 1: the job, pun intended. We have, uh, we even have

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Speaker 1: a little coffee song. And she recorded this and sent

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Speaker 1: it to us, so we're going to play that right now. Coffee, coffee, coffee,

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Speaker 1: coffee all day long. When I eat some coffee, I

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Speaker 1: sing the coffee song. Well that's the g rated version

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Speaker 1: I learned. So how about that, Josh, that was something else.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Ashley for that. Yeah, thanks a lot, she says,

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Speaker 1: As you can tell, we're a bit mad about our

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Speaker 1: where where where is that person? She didn't say, Oh no,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for that. We appreciate you and um,

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Speaker 1: drinking coffee, indeed for caring. That's great. Yeah. Um, if

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Speaker 1: you have a song, Chuck. We get them from time

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Speaker 1: to time and I feel like we should we should

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Speaker 1: be better about playing them. Yes, Uh, we want to

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Speaker 1: hear it. You can, I guess make it as like

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Speaker 1: an MP three, MP four. MP three is good, right, Jerry?

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Speaker 1: MP three? Uh, and uh you can send it to us.

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